Does India have a blasphemy law, how it works, limits FoE & right to offend
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- As India witnesses protests across the country over alleged derogatory remarks by Nupur Sharma and Naveen Kumar Jindal. In episode 1019 of #CutTheClutter, Shekhar Gupta looks at the existing laws related to blasphemy and how the laws came into being during the British era. Also what to learn from Pakistan's failed blasphemy laws & the case of Asia Bibi.
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Cummon SG, stone pelting is protest for you? Calling out death treats is protest for you?
# stop appeasing the Islamists because the good muslims are getting hurt.
Shekhar sir always says keep your bs meter turn on . So we follow that. And today the meter alarm bell was ringing. If a system incentivise thin skin behaviour no amount of education will make it thick skin. Just like biology to make skin thick from thin you have to expose them to harsh words. And not let them react . 295a should be abolished
Today the BS meter was at 110%. There is no freedom of thought without blasphemy - blasphemy is the fundamental limiter to freedom of thought and freedom of speech was conceived in response to blasphemy as a critical component of secularism!
Also what Nupur Sharma said is literally written in the scripture. Even average people like me can look it up and verify it ourselves. I hate the BJP's fascistic tendencies but I do not appreciate the print shying away from discussing the topic - while they have written entire opeds (zainab sikandar) on how hinduism promotes violence.
Come on, draw the line at threats of violence - you're damaging your credibility.
What SG did today is plain victim blaming.
SG put the onus on the people who speak and not on the people who kill.
This beating around the bush and not calling a spade a spade, not blaming the muslims for their thin skin and intolerance is what is pushing the moderate Hindus to take a hard line towards the muslims.
""To learn who rules over you, Simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"
Haha
😆😆 we need right to offend
Very good point
@@DhruvPatel-zg1zs you have
I am a staunch Hindu and i take it on my chin when anyone criticize or abuse my religion. Just because I am offended and disagree with someone on their POV on my belief doesn't give me right to kill or burn the cities. Government of India must scrap blasphemy law. There should be absolute freedom of expression as long as it doesn't undermine the sovereignty of the nation. No religion should be allowed to take in the street or show mob terrorism. This is like taking hostage of state just because you don't agree with someone.
Nice to see my fellow who support free speech. That is what india need more freedom of speech
I saw many videos of stand up comedians with hindu names maybe they dont follow hindu faith, also muslim like Munawar farooqi or christian may be too, make jokes on hindu deities but they defended themselves on freedom of speech grounds however I wonder if they can joke on Islam on the same lines, forget the God but even the prophet. Now we see the result of just stating a fact from their book, although was said in distasteful tone by that lady so wasnt digested well by the believers and now the ruckus, and Zakir naik said same words in a great way which all applauded. Freedom of speech, secularism is equal for all. One should live and let live. so many jokes by blue tick even SABA NAQVI on Shiva who is very dear to many but no ruckus like this. she and many did those jokes on freedom of expression and didnt bother if it hurts anyone but they will be enraged for stating even facts of one faith. even nupur said that when provoked by muslim guy in debate who mocked Shiva but no one talks about it. its like I can abuse your dear one but you cant do same on mine because I cant tolerate. So tolerance, secularism is for one majority to follow, freedom of speech for minority. let all be treated by common civil criminal law and keep religion private as I see in Australia, not on tv debates or public if it causes problems
India needs to have something like 1A.
@Hearts N Eyes OpenWide Eyes OpenWide in western countries comedian and satire used free speech the most to mock Christianity and jesus.
@@koteswar009 thats why any kind of blasphemy law should end , people should have right to mock any religion
I stopped watching the video when it referred to riots as 'protest.'
Your appeasement has no limit. This is what caused partition. Call a spade a spade. India has 1 billion Hindu and not a single one pelted stone when everyday on T.V their gods were being insulted. Till which point will we ignore Ambedkar who said,'Islam brotherhood is not the brotherhood of man, for those outside the faith Islam has only contempt and hate.'
Where does your knowledge come from?
"Secular Blasphemy" according to some Self-loathing Hindus.
So well put!
@Ranjeet Kumar, spreading fake news is no joke, it might be for illiterates like you , who pay no taxes and try to spew poison in peaceful communities , but knowledge and reason are important, you cannot simply ask people why they are asking a certain genuine question , that shows you're hiding something, i understand you're insecure, but that should not stop you from learning the truth.
@@aaronalphonso9229 from Bible that say's Jesus doesn't like long hair bcoz he did not prefer long hair for self. Now please don't say you have not read Bible.
Dear Mr Gupta,you failed to take into account that hatred for Polytheism and Idol worshipping is built into the DNA of some religions.
basically blasphemy means i am a snowflake so please don't hurt my feelings UwU 👉👈
It means respecting sentiments and culture of religion of others bhakth
@@Vizorfam nah it means not offending snowflakes
@@arjavgarg5801 sanghi bhakth
@@Vizorfam aw, is that an insult?
@Ranjeet Kumar bhakth go and visit your temple
“Secular blasphemy law” is an oxymoron 🤣😂
Even if basphemy laws criminalize criticism, ridicule and mockery of all faiths, they still violate freedom of religion of the nonbelievers. Doesn’t seem very secular to me!
India is a pseudo secular state.
Most idiots doesn't even know the real meaning of secularism.
This!
it's good to see that he liked this comment. he was being too politically correct in the video
@@kushal4956 I don’t have a problem with him being politically correct
The problem I’ve is, he is justifying IPC 295A in the name of social cohesion. That’s like saying let’s ban women from going outside at late night to prevent rapes 🤦🏻♂️
You are godamm right
Maybe Muslims need to increase their tolerance. I feel all religions are taking a harder line due to the level of intolerance in Islam. Religion needs to be progressive not regressive.
You said it, perfectly!
Exactly! Well articulated.
Come-on man! Religion is synonymous with "Regression".
Most intolerant is saffron faith with active apartheidism
@mindpotential - Right, but like every mom says that "if someone else is doing something wrong then would do something wrong too?" In hindi "Agar koi kuye me kudega to kya tum bhi kudoge?" So what you are saying should not be an excuse to become intolerant.
Sahih al-Bukhari 5134 (Hadith)
Narrated `Aisha:
that the Prophet PBUH married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that `Aisha remained with the Prophet PBUH for nine years (i.e. until Prophet's death).
So rest of her life was what?
@@janvysatya6595 Doing the onlything she learnt Selling the story of a Arabic warlord who hit her in the chest
As a civilization, none of the Indian languages have a word for Religion or Blasphemy. This is just to say, that the civilization was far more advanced than other regions, and believed in Vasudaiva kutumbakam and tolerance for any belief. There have been numerous songs, when people question god - are you a stone or all powerful etc.
As we know Indian languages largely developed around Hinduism , Jainism , Buddhism and Sikhism .
And for your comment if I consider the group as Hinduism , then we can justify your comment that Indian languages don't have word for blasphemy , that's probably because Hinduism accepts God in all forms ( Unfortunately I don't know any other older Indian languages like Tamil , Sanskrit, Telugu etc. , so I will be using some Hindi terms) i.e. Aakar(in idol form) and Niraakar(in non idol form) and the Gods in Hinduism are not gender specific , we have male God as Thunder God Indra , we have female goddess like Maa Kamakhya Devi or gender unspecific God like God of Gods Shiva .
Even we have terms like Nastik (atheist in Hindi) , but not anywhere it is taught to make them believe in God forcefully or kill them for not believing.
What I mean is that what can anyone do blasphemy of Hinduism when we have examples like Shishupal where Shishupal insulted God Shri Krishna and even Shri Krishna, the God himself forgive him 99 times.
Are you sure there are no words for religion and blasphemy in our languages? Do you know the treatment for blasphemy in the shastras?
@@Thoughtflux What is the treatment? There was a sect called as "Charvaka," which is analogous to atheism in Abrahamic religion. There is not mention of a holy war on those Charvakas in Shastras. Just don't spread rumours and nonsense for shock value.
sit it is all fine and glory if the other side fights with you with the same rules. Here it looks like there are no rules and other side wants to pull you to their level of barbarity. So Indians need to rethink Gandhism as one scholar rightly pointed out. Looks more like the story of Camel & tent.
“Indian civilization was this”, “Indian civilization was that”.
SO WHAT??
How’s any of that helping freedom of speech or economic development today?
MOVE ON!
Prove that blasphemy is ridiculous and giving MAXIMUM freedom of expression.
1:50 - look how he say "because Muslims are angry" and when Hindus are angry, the same gentleman says they are becoming extremist. This is double standard that journalists should avoid
Sorry had to unsubscribe. Can't digest this level of appeasement. Our country gets stoned our people gets beaten and this man shamelessly somehow conjours up something to defend it.
@Ululu Kululu stop spamming same comment everywhere.
I, too an unsubscribing now. Can't be a part of this man's agenda.
Shekar Gupta is a deluded person just like many seculars.
Offering a virtuous value to a person or group who don't understand, agree or share the said value would lead to an inevitable misuse of the offer.
Our founding fathers of Constitution did not understand the social, cultural, political AGENDA of Islam.
They were deluded just like Mr. Gupta
In order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive - Jordon Peterson
Nice
Christopher Hitchens:- your offend so fucking what i am still waiting to hear your point
Today in Ranchi, Jharkhand, after jumma ka namaz peaceful people were protesting peacefully throughout the city with stones.
They even attacked Ram Mandir which is there in same area( Main road ) & removed hanuman dhwaja from temple premise. Under liberal values it comes under freedom of expression as well minority ( haha 2nd MAJORITY) rights.
Stop spreading fake news bhakth and have some shame they are minorities
@Ranjeet Kumar muslims have contributed in developing of this nation their feelings should not be hurt
@@Vizorfam what's contribution.. Only population growth... Jehadi cult
@@Vizorfam abe tu phir aa gya??Rhta bangladesh m h yaha kyu aisi taisi karata h apni??
@@Vizorfam things don't run according to their feelings. Culprits should be punished severely without showing mercy.
And freedom of speech goes both way i.e. we can offend anyone or no one. There is no selective freedom of speech.
And about contribution to nation. Their biggest ever contribution is the partition of India.
As usual leftists Gupta ji, always Jalebi’s if it is about Islam or Muslims.
@Vishal Krishna whatever the hate politics in your view is, violence on street and death threat is not the answer for one statement, this country is secular and Democratic, Islamic laws can’t be forced, follow laws of the lands, politics of hate or not, politics is always dirty politics, as long as it is not violent.
@Vishal Krishna there are few who want to kill this country not all, if you disagree then use laws of the land, fight in court not streets.
@Vishal Krishna can't believe u r justifying action taken by those rioter,those fool will beat u just by asking your name
@Vishal Krishna sabrimaala is not a Hindu Muslims issues, and should never be considered a Hindu Muslim issue, it was a pure ugly leftists agenda issue. Pls try to go deeper behind Sabrimala case.
But this violence protest , from Kashmir to WB, and Gujrat to Karnataka, stone pelting after jumma namaz is a pure Hindu Muslim issue to burn this country in hate. This was burning since 1947. Tell me why there should not be UCC in this country, why there should not be FOS, why there should be a blasphemy law in this country? This is a secular Democratic country, not an Islamic state. People openly abuse Hindu’s God, but one statement read from Islamic scriptures, they want to kill nupur Sharma. Just few days back stone pelting on Hindu’s religious procession, at that time they blamed on Hindus. So pls don’t equate this to hate politics. This is the result of Congress appeasement of 70 years. Muslim are equal citizens of this country not any special people, there should be UCC laws here.
Freedom of speech includes freedom to offend. I'm offended everytime I hear Islam is the religion of peace. But I respect other's right to say it.
Oh damn
hahaha nice. without right to offend free speech means nothing.
Even saying the world hello would offend someone somewhere so it reasonable to say freedom of speech include freedom to offend to a reasonable standard.
Had you understood deep meaning of word "peace" you would not have been offended. piece!!! Have you got something now?
Slit-one's weasand and beheaded. These words may help you to understand the real meaning of peace ✌️✌️✌️word
Speech and existence are two different things ..
All these Muslims protest would benefit BJP-RSS, hindu will automatically move towards BJP-RSS. Jay shree ram. 🙏 🙏 🙏
100% true.
Even my ultra-liberal commie friend looked tensed today, even she agreed to Yogi like treatment to be metted out to these folks.
Not really, only idiots like you would keep voting for them
true, many watching silently and will show it in 2024 results. yes, its not the best party but the only option among others and they got to show some spine to say a spade is a spade rather than appeasement and all are equal in law
This week in UK a movie was pulled out of major screens because some sect of muslims found it blasphemous, while the movie itself was made by another sect of Islam only. So they employed the usual tactics of threat and turn up in high numbers in front of theatres to "Protest". Ultimately it had the desired effect. So the point is there is no stopping once you start going down the "blasphemous" drain. What I am more worried about is that by 2050 - 2060 the world might be adopting the re-education camp model that we so widely despise now and the Chinese will prove to be true visionaries !
In certain areas of Birmingham, they openly proclaim that they will abide by Sharia.
The chinese saw n learnt from the world. In fact..communism is another pan movement. So only expansionist can only know n effectively counter another expansionist.
Souvik Ghosh - your views belong in India not in the UK. You cant demonise Muslims here because muslims will not stay quiet in fear of their lives. If our religion is misrepresented and mocked in a movie we have a right to protest.
@Vishal Krishna "The Lady of Heaven"
@@sali2998 Well you just proved my point
Shekhar it's too much of being "politically correct".
Liberals: It's better to be politically correct than to get bheaded by peacefuls.
Shekar's last words were full-blown Orwellian gaslighting.
"You have the right to say this, but those who are offended have the right to marshal the state to punish you for it."
This is literally doublespeak. These are literally two radically opposite assertions made at the same time, in order to manipulate people such that no matter what happens, you can never be wrong.
Modi govt this one time disappointed me big time , even macron which was from left leaning background supported right to offend and didn't bowed down to ixlamist mobs but modi government did , government needs to show a spine
I dont think there is much modi could do here. Gulf states are an important ally. What he has gained out of this is much more votes for him.
Agreed 100%
Par hum France nahin hain bhai. Gareeb desh + look at our neighbors- hub of terrorism.
This is not the first time, remember the CAA protests, farm laws, Bengal elections. BJP has failed to control the street power and international narratives. We need a more mature & strict party.
bjp fuckers are hindu communist. they will never going to support critisism of religion. communist never support free speech like bjp
it's rly not a surprise that Macron took that stand. Most of western Europe respects freedom of speech. Macron is a liberal, ofc he wud take that stand.
With Modi, it's more complicated bcuz he's not a liberal, he's a Hindu right winger. if he abolishes blasphemy laws, he'll get backlash from conservative Hindus who'll be upset that Hindu gods can be mocked without consequence and they can't like people like munnawar farooqi arrested like they shamelessly did a few months ago
Ban "Friday Prayers"!!!
jume ki namaz ke naam pe sadak jaam bol
Ban Friday prayers for the next six months.
Respected sir, with all due respect to you, what “Rangeela Rasool” was in response to, was not just “something”. It had a name that you could have taken too.
He is biased fuck!
Very well pointed. "Rangila Rasul was published by members of the Hindu community in response to a pamphlet entitled "Sitaka Chinala" published by members of the Muslim community and that depicted the Hindu goddess Sita (wife of Rama, the hero of the Ramayana) as a prostitute.[18]"
Your presentation on differences between India and Pakistan religious laws provides a great insight .
Because look again Pakistan is a failed state ,while India is not a failed state.I think the cause of this is basically majority religion in India and Pakistan.
One of the major reasons why India have partial blasphemy laws is because of muslims ,because Muslims turn violent when you have a argument with them .a certain hindu has very less problems with having arguments about its religion ,I am a Hindu , I remember talking to my parents,or even my friends, or even my nana ,,no one ever gets violent,when I criticize god whether it be (Shri Ram or Shri Krishna) ,they come upwith logic and reason to counter my arguments..
Awesome brother (or sister).
Rightfully said sir.
There is no logic in religion.
@@honorhonor3352 Hinduism accepts that view and has given recognition to atheist and fools as well. They have their own right. Such a liberal view no other religion has.
@@vidyadharkhare6265 What no other religion has? Buddhism & Jainism by definition would be atheistic religions as they do not believe in any deities or creator god. If you are using "Hinduism" as the misnomer for Dharmic/Indian philosophy, then you're right. If you are using it as it's modern usage, as in followers of Sanatan Dharma, then you're wrong.
The lesson is: if a community is getting too sensitive, be arrogant enough to make them less sensitive. Make them submit to law of the land and government. Instead of sympathising the sensitive community, blast their sensitivity.
I hope you must have felt the same way and voiced your opinion with same vigour when Munnawar farooqi was jailed under the same law, off course with community being different that time around!!
@@sam83santy ya , but no one was putting a bounty on his head,and last I checked he is alive and even won a show based on voting.salman Rushdie cannot travel without security,can you gurantee nupur Sharma will be safe without security.
And did violence happen agains munnawar farooqi ,how many street mobs destroyed public property because of munnawar farooqi
There is a case against nupur Sharma,let the law take it course,but the same law should be used against owaisi's ,rehmanis and the people who mocked shivling.law cannot be based on one communities victim mentality
@@srikalki So basically you are down to comparing Munnawar's and Nupur's case on one on one basis, I see!! Alright let me point out a few more one on one comparisions!! Munnawar's freedom of speech was stopped and he was actually jailed for a speech he hadnt even made!! Nupur Sharma not only made the speech but hasnt yet even been jailed!! Will you talk about that?
@@sam83santy and other comedians who were arrested with munnawar are still in jail.did munnawar make fun of godhra victims and Sita. he did, and a case was lodged against him,no one took to streets to kill him.same cannot be said for nupur sharma.she will be killed if she steps out.the law should be supreme.people are not asking for nupur Sharma to be arrested they are asking her to be beheaded.there is a one crore bounty in her head.vilence broke in 4o cities in India.
Are you really comparing munnawar and nupur who is bigger danger.and what did nupur say that was not true.the prophet married Aisha when she was six and consummated the marriage when she was 9.nupur didn't say anything that was made up.
Law and order should be supreme not jungle raj.
@@srikalki Dharm Sansad at Hardwar called for mass killings of indian muslims!! Did you take that and considered it as representative of all Indian hindus? If you didnt, then why a call by shadow radical islamic elements to kill Nupur Sharma is being taken as representative of all indian muslims then? Well I know why, it's because your modus operandi is simply to somehow show all muslims as bad and all hindus as good, NO MATTER WHAT, simply because you inherently hate muslims, and the core principle through which you identify your hindu identity is this inherent hatred for anything muslim!! BTW all mainstream mulsim organizations distanced themselves in no time from that call for violence!! very convenient but hypocritical of you to ignore these points!! But then that's expected off your kinds anyway!!
Thanks! I agree with you that we cannot afford the right to offend in India. But the blatant bullying both internal and external has forced me to change my mind on one thing, hindus deserve greater socio-cultural protections. The country needs something like the CAA so that the nation's religious profile doesn't tilt even further towards a highly intolerant set of beliefs. All the intellectualism of people like P B Mehta and Ram Guha, that i used to take seriously is frankly in la la land. We all need to move to the real world to live in peace.
We've become a Self-loathing community now. Even blasphemy will become "secular" to certain sections now.
For some, hate for BJP is more important than their liberal values.
Not only you, a lot of liberal hindus will tilt towards bjp further after today's riots.
But this kind of thinking disappears when PPL like mf hussain drew vulgar drawings of Hindus, at that time media will only discuss freedom of speech 😄
Thanks you have open eyes and cadid view.
You are in lala land my friend. The Muslim birth rate is not increasing and will start declining by the end of this decade. As a matter of fact, population of india will hit its peak in the next decade and after 2050 India's population itself will start declining. India will no longer be a young country then. Are you getting what I'm saying? India cannot and will not become a Muslim majority country. Stop listening to garbage.
The way this community is fed with all this intolerance from an early age no matter how much education or wealth they achieve this behavior of my way or Highway will persist. The whole world needs to ask this peaceful religion to become really peaceful.
@Ululu Kululu Bhai, there is a difference between one incident by a few people, and multiple violent protests with arson and looting. Why don't you see something for what it is, it's !slam which is the problem.
@Ululu Kululu yeah Hinduism do have problems but not that much like particular religion has.U can't see they have fights like
Christian vs Muslims
Hindus vs Muslims
Jews vs muslims
And even muslim vs muslim( shia,sunni,ahmediya
@@sadbradwithabat2413 you are right. When one Hindu commits some wrong it is disproportionately highlighted by many, including some Hindus. But when several Hindus are killed in Kashmir, atrocities routinely committed there on a daily basis on Hindus by Muslims , Hindus are supposed to keep mum..
yes very early age kids taught hatred, disrespect intolerance. I saw a instagram video of very small kids opening pants and pissing on nupur effigy and laughing and men also laughing. The kids private parts were blurred. instagram doesnt delete it but deleted many posts in true incidents on hindu assaults in Bangladesh India
@@sadanandgote5544 thats the sad part of secularism version in india. many innocents killed in kashmir by terrorists but no uproar because it will upset peaceful community
This is what happens when using a colonial IPC and considering it holier than thou. Cannot stitch this Jurassic Frankenstein monster and cannot criticize any aspect of it. India needs to re-do its judicial laws.
india need to remove blasphemy laws all together. hindu always critisise their own beliefs. average indian don't need this law.
Thing that writer of rangeela Rasool got assassinated tells us level of tolerance they had.
@Vishal Krishna 😂 just go try telling ur name(if it's real ) in front of mob after jumma ki Nawaz and u would experience bliss my pseudo liberal friend
@Vishal Krishna
In every comment this guy called Vishal is going and defending his Jiπadi brothers and uncouth i$lamists by bringing in false equivalence with Hindus
@Vishal Krishna No u have to look into this issue made by these fringe element,if u r going to take blind eye then surely u r going to generate more hate from other side so just crush every religions extremist people equally.u cant deny those riots which are happening every Friday all around the country.so just accept what is wrong is wrong and move on.
@Vishal Krishna yes but for ur kind information all religious extremist people fall under right wing ,if u think muslims falls under left liberal ideology then i dont know in which world u r living
@Vishal Krishna bro i have seen ur multiple comment in this video and in most of it u were doing whataboutery to tone down those riots.There are many real minorities living in india which in reality needs protection.I don't think guys which ruled India for 1000 s of year need protection provided by you or me,so let them do whatever they are doing because in reality they themselves are creating a hell.
Wish you had said something against violent response to alleged blasphemy, invariably after Juma prayers. Secularism must not be a burden on the back of only one community.
india will remain a hub of riots even after partition, unless complete population exchange takes place; partition will only be a temporary meaasure-- BR ambedkar in his book pakistan or the partition of india
Totally agreed, pakistan has 220 million mislims, india has 200 million muslims, India should give pakistan enough land so that Pakistan can double in size so that it can take in all indian muslims,no more social troubles for india and Pakistanis would be more than happy to do it 🙂
@@mahadnaseeramer Give Khyber pakthunkhwa to Afghans, Kashmir and Sindh to India and liberate Balochistan.
Sure..but then very soon also start searching for suitable countries where you can exchange christian, Buddhist, sikhs, jains, parsis, dalits, atheists, agnostics, liberal hindus, non-hindi speakers, tribals, non-vegetarians etc etc too, in that order for it wont be too long before the new "modi-fied hindu"'s habitual hatred spills out on these sections after muslims leave that space empty!! You see, hatred and persecution stays constant in "hindu" india, just their target changes!!
Do you think there won't be riots after that? Where should christian and Sikhs go? Because they are next
@@mahadnaseeramer Is it Afghan opium or heorin? which gave u such great idea😁
It has gone too far, after today's incident, I am worried in which direction this country is going
They are not meant for civilized society as an Educated Indian,not a modi fan 1st time I am demanding China type treatment to this cult... otherwise India will cease to exit
Why don't you preach this to Hindutva people first?
@@Vizorfam why don't you preach this to thin skinned community first?
If you saw no problem before today, then you are part of the problem
Open ur eye.do ur duty towards nation and community from today.
This is a perfect case study of the Streisand effect.
This controversy pursuaded me to read that controversial 1920s book 'Rangeela Rasool' and I don't how many more people would like to read that now, just to understand the whole crux of this issue.
Where to read?
I read online
I already read it
Where the Muslims are not happy:
They're not happy in Gaza.
They're not happy in Egypt.
They're not happy in Libya.
They're not happy in Morocco.
They're not happy in Iran.
They're not happy in Iraq.
They're not happy in Yemen.
They're not happy in Afghanistan.
They're not happy in Pakistan.
They're not happy in Syria.
They're not happy in Lebanon.
They're not happy in Indonesia.
So, where are they happy?
They're happy in Australia.
They're happy in England.
They're happy in France.
They're happy in India.
They're happy in Germany.
They're happy in Sweden.
They're happy in the USA.
They're happy in Norway.
They're happy in almost every country that is not Islamic!
And who do they blame [for their unhappiness]?
Not Islam...not their leadership...not themselves... They blame the countries in which they are HAPPY! And they want to change the countries in which they're happy, to be like the countries they came from, where they were unhappy.
Try to find logic in that.
I totally disagree if certain people are not able to modernize their thinking & adapt then its their problem of getting offended. We cant be held back by people who believe in fictional non sense.
@Vishal Krishna the difference is one section just do twitter protest, FIR. The other section would kill your for it
@@gargoyle2187 precisely.
@@gargoyle2187 let me then also point youa another difference then..when one community is offended, there is hardly any time taken to not only file an FIR but also jail the offender only on the suspicion that there was a chance of offense without the offense having even been committed yet, e.g. Munnawar farooqi, while when the other community is offended, there is not only delay in filing FIR until there is a hue and cry world over but also no arrests or legal action taken at all!!
@@sam83santy why are you using a hindu name 😂😂come with your real id.
@@sam83santy munnavar was supported by many right wing people. May right wing people support the free speech of both munnawar and nupur.
We are at a no return point today. I wish our politician's back then took Dr. Ambedkar's suggestions seriously which was a total population exchange. When a haven for Islam Paksitan was constructed, there is no point Hindu's being there or no point Muslim's being here.
Our leader's back then thought that they will change the destiny or mindset of Muslim's but unfortunately they couldn't change any of it so far and as far as I can assess the situation it won't change for 100 more years to come. In fact, as we go ahead we will se more such confrontations.
New muslim nation can come out of present india,assam kashmir,west bangal and kerala will be muslim majority and will seperate
We were at the point of no return 1100 years ago, 75 years ago and now again. islam simply doesn't co-exist.
@@nomorenews There is no legal basis in the Constitution for any state/ UT/ region to "separate" from India. There is no cessation law. Simply put, they can't do it, and any efforts to do such a thing would invite the wrath of the entire Indian system- Parliament, GoI, Judiciary, Paramilitary, internal intelligence and if need be, the military. The only exit clause is getting slapped with high treason and death by hanging (if you're lucky) or death by hot lead bullets (if you're unlucky) after conviction.
@@nomorenews no more Muslim nation, now get rohingya treatment 😀
@@nomorenews Lol. Let us see what happens. As I said, we cannot change the destiny so what ever is planned, will happen.
But one thing is sure that this is not the India of 1947, earlier we were forced to split, now we are the one who can split (1971-Pankistan - Bangladesh).
So India has changed drastically and so has the mindset.
You are right that there is no “right to offend” per se, but the right to freedom of speech should not be impinged by an individual or community’s capacity to be offended.
free speech means nothing if you can't "offend someone"
You should have a right to offend under freedom of speech and religion because that is required to accuse someone of immoral or criminal acts. Look at Asaram bapu or Dera sacha sauda. What if they kill someone or rape someone, does it mean because the godman or his followers will get offended, no one should talk about the crime committed?
This line of argument applies for the present Nupur Sharma issues although, she has not offended because she just stated their own hadiths.
Danish cartoons, in my opinion, took it a little too far, but that is the culture where even the pope is mocked. Please understand that the Danish clerics, in order to incite violence all over the world, went to the Gulf arab governments and showed them the cartoons but are you aware that they should 10 cartoons, not just the original eight. And those 2 extra cartoons were created by the clerics themselves [the one with the pig is one of them], in order to enrage the muslim world even more.
The two extra cartoons were far more offensive than the original eight.
Now, as per Quran, this is completely justified, as per Taqiyya. And the leftist ideology also justifies such tactics.
Understand the strategy. Please note that while in public, they play victims while in private, on social media, they are very confident of enslaving everyone. Read the actual book itself and you will understand the psychology and from social point of view as well as global relations point of view, how perverted it is.
The religion is anti-mankind and allies with anti-progress Luddite agenda of the communists.
@@DhruvPatel-zg1zs exactly.
Freedom of speech paid for in blood not designed to make us comfortable it was designed to keep us free
There is also a system in our constitution which is called the system of checks and balances.
No doubt the constitution gives you the right to speech bt at the same point it also talks about reasonable restrictions which can be put to your rights so that u do not use your rights to harm others.
2:01 Most people chant "Sar Tan se Juda" and you say they only want the accused to be arrested???
BR Ambedkar was right about full population exchange , had Nehru listened to his advice rather than following failed Gandhian experiment , we wouldn’t face this problem . Hinduism have so many problems in our own like casteism , poverty , socialist love affair . Our Dharmic traditions are more inherent as with East Asian nations , it’s just that they followed Confucius hierarchy and ours caste based but alas , capitalism & liberalism will fix that one as well but alas , here we are . Ottoman Empire like Govt , where each faith have different laws as well as no secular values , it’s just a feudal society on top there’s colonial heritage institutions.
Freedom of speech paid for in blood not designed to make us comfortable it was designed to keep us free
Foolish person, Ambedkar never said anything about any compulsory population exchange. Stop spreading hate in his name. Read his full book, then talk, otherwise don't talk nonsense. He has clearly stated it was in the context of 1947 partition, and the exchange must be completely VOLUNTARY. In fact he himself had many muslim friends
Interesting take, India sure has to pay a lot for having a heterogeneous society, but a peaceful complete partition is neither possible nor a solution, I guess you’re right that liberalism and capitalism might bring people out of old institutions
@@grapeshott Maybe he is wrong about Ambedkar. But the argument is not bad. Partition if it was decided that it would happen then it should have been complete, and with hindsight, we can say the partition came at a high cost, and despite that, we didn't let it happen thoroughly. It is not about hating Muslims or Hindus. It is about reducing the complexity /heterogeneity. Heterogenous poor societies are challenging to manage. Major social restructuring is needed, but it is basically impossible for a country big as India. And I am not saying that a homogenous society/ less heterogeneous society means everything will be good, but they just give a better chance. And I am not propagating another partition because now we know at what cost it will come, and I don't think anyone would be willing to give up such a price. So please treat it just as an academic argument.
@@grapeshott he said about that , read his archives. He even bitterly said many things about religion . He was a true secular who view world with Buddhist ideals along with liberty , fraternity and equality motto. He also have many Hindus friends doesn’t meant he hated them by burning Manusmriti ? He hated the orthodox thinking of society and what he said in 1945 , when partition struggle by Muslim league at its peak . No amount of condemnation can erase this fact , yeah we can’t agree with it , it’s another thing because he was a product of his time and the country was facing partition . But it still holds true , Muslim brotherhood only belong to their community and this secular values like nationalism , liberalism is no greater than their idea of Ummah . Islam is a political ideology emasculating as a religion .
Even after 70 years , their still this Tamasha . First Sara Bano , Kashmir now this ? It’s the monkey balancing by liberals that we are facing this kind of situation and no one is taking liberalism seriously.
Hatred by his name , yeah people are idiots to kill in the name of BR Ambedkar.
What Hindus gained after partition by the way ? It’s the fear that drives the hindutva and failure to look at the problem by liberals made them hated so much . Bjp is going to win 2024 for sure , even I don’t like it .
Hindus for all their faults have the one of the most pluralistic societies. We are the only civilization who was invaded, ruled upon but still survived the onslaught of other religions. Unfortunately, the war is still going on may be not direct assault but through narratives, media and different methods. Normally Hindus have always shrug these things off which is the reason we were never united. It is high time for Hindus to get united and get a clear goal of where we want to take India as a country. India can take all religions together but if India's projection doesn't come from a Hindu civilization sense, we are signing up our decadence
It's better people living outside of India like you keep their opinions to themselves, you enjoy the protection offered by other countries but don't want that in our country , so keep your hypocrisy to your self Italian stallion, we don't need extremists like you in our society
Freedom of speech paid for in blood not designed to make us comfortable it was designed to keep us free
When you are a minority, being uber aggressive is not exactly the way to endear yourself to the rest of the community, specially if you carry negative historical baggage that you still need to reconcile with.
@CONFID3NC3 yes
You hit the nail on the head.
@CONFID3NC3 reality is reality what can I do about there decisions
Me being an ATHEIST who does not belive in any God feels offended when people tell me there is a god. But in this 'secular' country there is no law that protects me from being offended.
I belive freedom of speach and freedom to offend go hand in hand. Hear me out, i think freedom to offend is a byproduct of freedom of speach. This law is not compatible with many religion it's selves. Some monotheist religious say their god is the only god and no other show be seen, while polytheist religions and some belive their god is good and other gods are bad. In this case by inherent default of these religions they offend each other. And to choose by 'disgression' when to offend is not really feesable. What if someone provided some genuine evadence and others consider the evdance itself offensive. Over time this will eat itself up. We must try to do better. Some times the truth offends people may not be in religious situations either. And a law that can be vaguely interpreted is not a good law. In my opinion freedom of speach must be limited to call to violent and hatespeach and deliberate spewed of misinformation. Rest all should be fair game.
Antartica is the right place, penguins don't talk about God and things never get hot there 😎.
Seeing this video I think Atheists can be easily jailed in India!
@@jaswindersinghnarula4379 Remember that rationalist guy who had to run to europe after the church ran after him sanath or somemthing
@@AKumar-co7oe I'm sorry I have no idea about whom you are talking about.
@@yoppindia Antarctica is right place for Muslims. Muslim women in burqa are literally penguins
cut the clutter gradually shifted from 9 pm to 9 30 and now 11 .hope i dont have to wait till 3 am someday
this is youtube. not TV
Cut the clutter is loosing it's relevance 🤣🤣
BJP behaved prematurely and took action then Qatar and all started exploting the issue ,,, hard line is the only way ! Look what happened now they are in streets exploting the spoils
shekhar's logic of right to offend being inversely proportional to the receiver's ability to take offense creates its own set of complications. It incentivizes those who have a higher threshold for offense to lower their threshold. A majority supports strict legal deterrence against the "offenders", and we are gifted the draconian blasphemy laws.
Freedom of speech paid for in blood not designed to make us comfortable it was designed to keep us free - remember this
They say, Saying Mohammad is a pedophile who had sex with a child is blasphemy but it's a fact that's written in the quran. So is saying fact considered blasphemy?
Why is it that it is the Hindus who are expected to be tolerant of every thing said against their faith and beliefs but on the other hand if any one says anything against certain faiths it leads to the most intolerant behaviour possible?
Unfortunately we need to realise that this can backfire!
Because people will see this biased behaviour......even those who are usually quiet on these things have now recently started voicing their dissent at how the Hindu faith is being treated.
I fear more difficult times lie ahead.
But we definitely cannot become a place like many other countries some even in the neighbourhood where you are afraid of voicing your personal opinion about anything for fear of your safety.
Yes in case of Munnawar farooqi, muslims were intolerant, not hindus!! You are a living example of how hypocritical, double faced, shallow, superficial, and extremely delusional about their own apparent benevolence while being extremely disrespectful, oppressive and violent a general hindu always has been!!
i feel the silent majority is watching but wont say anything for they will be termed communal islamophobic. I saw many instagram posts by hindus young people many activists feminists supporting farmers, hijab protests but now all are silent and also for kashmir hindu sikh killings by terrorists. wonder if human rights are only for one community. silent majority will give answer in 2024 silently more bigger results than before which was a surprise then too because thats the only option to survive if not the best
This is the result of not doing partition properly. Minorities in any country including our neighbors don't have voice but here because of politics they have grown to this level, majority will have tough time our to quit our home land
Dear SG, Could we have a cut the clutter on what Noopur Sharma actually "said". Was it really blasphemous? And why? It will be good to hear your perspective on this.
Mr Gupta doesn't have the guts to wade into this issue. If he cannot CONVINCE us with his deluded arguments, he would atleast try to CONFUSE us with his drivel.
The Print will wake up only when people from certain community start throwing stones after their Friday prayers.
I have lots of issues with BJP and its handling of governance but all this episodes of nupur Sharma have changed my mind...
Many people are cheering Arab countries , Asking for humiliation of India and rioting arson what else and what not.
In country which they live and behave as if they don't belong
Here....
Nupur apologised, and she was suspended, matter should have ended there... Gulf countries humiliation of India and the muslim protests have made Hindus feel insecure
Anybody, I say ANYBODY, wearing his/her religion on his/her sleeve is dangerous to the well-being of society…any which way.
Tailpiece: I repeat, tolerance is NOT a one way street.
Blasphemy does not exist in Sanatan Dharma. It never did, and never will. So, please correct yourself there.
Now we had in constitution so all hindus should try to remove it as soon as possible. Blasphemy law 295 (a) is disgusting and needed to remove.
Well said Navneet ji
@@DhruvPatel-zg1zssahi kaha blasphemy law must be remove
If religion was suppose to be “universal” then “God” would have hardwire it as our
Nervous system, new born don’t need to
Be taught how to breath or see or hear, we have two hands two eyes one nose etc. However that is not the case, so just like humans are not born literate, but with hard work we can achieve literacy, similarly achieving higher level of conciseness should be a personal pursuit. If peace spreaders can just accept this fact half of the world’s conflicts will be resolved.
Based on empirical data and studies taken from a peer reviewed journal entry conducted by Dr Justin Barrett, a senior researcher at the University of Oxford’s Centre for Anthropology and Mind, newborn babies and children under 5 years have a predisposition to believe in a supreme being because they assume that everything in the world was created with a purpose. Many similar studies exist from other world class institutions all pointing to the same outcomes. Sorry your poorly researched comment proves why there's around 2 billion Muslims and 3 billion Christians on Earth - comfortably more than half the world's population.
@Hearts N Eyes OpenWide Eyes OpenWide It may be hardwired for god, but not for any particular god.
Right to offend the imaginary should be a right. There's no absolute right to offend only means there's no right to.. "absolute" is undefined and stupid.
Blasphemy empowers the sensitive idiots that it's wrong for others to not share their stupid views or mock it.. in a democracy where nothing is above ridicule or criticism, religion cannot be given special rights, this is a secular country after all
And it's not a secular law. A secular law appeases no religion.. if it appeases all religions, then it's an appeasement of fanatics law
France proved a point when Macrom said blasphemy is a birthright and he stood with the cartoonists.. the jihadis and the moderate jihadis aka Islamists had learned their lesson that France doesn't flinch an inch on their right to free speech and expression
Let the jihadis win this and they'll demand more.. show them their place like France did and they will not get offended this often again
Agreed. With more polarization, people will continue to get offended at all kinds of things. Yes, ill-intentioned offensive speech can disrupt social cohesion, but restriction to that speech should come from social sactions, not force of law. By social sanction I mean you lose respect from your peers by saying something nasty & therefore you behave responsibly.
@@FahadHasin You are alluding to cancel culture. I am not so sure if adopting cancel culture is good. You will see a lot more backlash on that.
@@FahadHasin how do you plan to make social sanction work between two polarized groups ? I think absolute right for blasphemy is the best solution make few edge leeway like no desecration at the place of worship & book of worship everything else is allowed.
@@FahadHasin all these are empty words given your faith. If you have the guts then voice against these blasphemy laws that your community abides by.
@@hemantsarthak Yes, I agree - that's what I'm also saying. Right to offend is a part of FoE.
True, social sanctions are difficult between polarized groups. One can hope that we mature as a society to strike these balances without interference of State.
*Nupur Sharma did not commit any kind of blasphemy, whatever she said is right and already written in their own books.*
*Sahih al-Bukhari 5134 [Book 67, Hadith 70]:* (40)Chapter: The marrying of a daughter by her father to a ruler - that the Prophet (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that `Aisha remained with the Prophet (ﷺ) for nine years (i.e. till his death).
@Ululu Kululu Ayodhya is in Uttar Pradesh, India - not in Nepal. Oli can make any statement, that won't change the Ramayana. If Hanuman alone can burn Sri Lanka - a whole country, then Laxmana going for a trip to Janakpuri and coming back on the same day is nothing extraordinary.
@Ululu Kululu mohammad was rapist
Who decides what is offensive Mr Gupta? It is very subjective. It is on them to have tolerance. Religion like any idea deserve critcism and commentary.
Does India have a blasphemy definition? Yes! Having deliberate disdain, disrespect and insulting attitude towards Mother India Bharatmata is blasphemy.
Freedom of speech paid for in blood not designed to make us comfortable it was designed to keep us free
You can't even say that "I've dreamt about so n so" if that might hurt someone's religious sentiments is a little too much. Get a hold of yourself Pakistan.
India is future Pakistan, fasten your seat belts.
In China, people give first priority to their country. In India, people give first priority to their religion, with this type of nature country will be filled with riots forever. Also people protesting on the same day in different parts of country that too so many days after controversy is making me scared.
Very WELL Said!!!
No country that has laws punishing blasphemy can call itself free or secular. Right to blasphemy is the same as right to free speech.
There is nothing remaining of this word secular anymore. So lets bury it.
@@1ahmed2 Exactly, a te₹₹0₹!$t community did genocide before Independence (Moplah genocide) , at the time of independence (Direct Action Day) , before adding of word secular ( Nellie riots) , after adding of word secular ( Kashmir Genocide) and even today.
A terr0r!$t community can never be secular as they regularly say that there is only one God which is by far the most opposing sentence for secularism.
@@1ahmed2 Secularism is a Two way street. You need to respect my religion & beliefs & I need to respect yours.
Honestly Hindus for far too long tried Secularism including myself & we still would be Secular if only the other side which in this case is Muslims stop being so thin skinned with all due respect. Nupur Sharma did wrong, she was suspended & FIR lodged by Police. On the contrary AIMIM didn't suspend Akbaruddin Owaisi or Congress didn't expel their UP Youth Congress President who openly made fun of shivling on Twitter.
Nupur did wrong but this Sar Tan se Juda crap has no place in our country. Let the law handle her. Muslims need to approach the court if they feel wrong about something & not take the law in their hands or start violence, start stone pelting, create anarchy etc.
Hindus comparatively are still very tolerant as was quite visible by our conduct after many Muslims & unfortunately even some Hindus openly made fun of Shivling. We didn't took to the streets, calling out slogans, harming public property, not because we don't respect our religion or fear any other religion but because we are much more thick skinned & respect the freedom of speech of other people but this freedom if speech can only be maintained if all parties respect that.
@@advaityachandhoke1406 bro we all hindus should campaign against blasphemy laws
@@dkhandelwal9766 lol. Looks like you don't know S of secularism. It has nothing to do with monotheism or polytheism. Everything to do with state's relationship with religion (of every and any kind). What my community did before independence , your community has been doing to the natives of this land for millenia. Thank goodness for muslims and Brits , the Malecchas of this land were saved from Brahmin Baniya Hindu Rashtra which Ambedkar fought tooth and nail against. So please update yourself more of history of Hindus and Dalits way way before Muslims arrived
These laws are undefined and has no real explanation, and can be argued to any extent. One can always deny that is not blasphemy, that is truth or that is freedom of speech.
In kerala, some years ago during the Sabarimala issue a famous party lifted a posture in which , the deity ayappa statue was hanging down between the legs of a women, that was in support to womens entry inside temple. But why was that not blasphemy? Not IPC ? NO protest? That was freedom of speech, tolerant etc etc. This why all these laws of blasphemy are not real solution, they can be argued and will never be any good.
We need to uphold freedom of speech & expression as in the constitution in everyway, we can't be partial. This is just another classic example of how messed up our constitution is, we have a secular govt according to it, but at the same time we have HR& E act. We have freedom of speech & expression at one part then we have such mediaeval laws.
We should learn from france and remove blasphemy laws and support who are exercise free speech be it hindu or Muslim.
Blasphemy laws should not exist in modern democracy.
I remember arguing with my Grand Parents over Vegetarianism and asked them why Ram Ji went to hunt deer when Sitaji was abducted... Can a Warrior Prince survive just on berries of Forest?...
Problem is Muslims are too intolerant of anything countering their beliefs which is why Islam is unable to come to terms with 21st century.
Someone should start a Clothing brand called Secular Fabrics and a Jeans collection called Blasphemy!
Gupta ji, you came to the defence of Manuwar Farrukhi who made obscene jokes on hindu gods stating that our gods can take jokes and now you want to defend 295(A) cuz the 'peacefuls' feel their religious feelings are hurt.
Just answer me one things sir...
Are you afraid of peacefuls? Or Are you too a hypocrite?
Or maybe a secret peaceful ?
Shekhar Gupta was afterall a former NDTV Journalist, If you didn't know.. It is no surprise his views resemble that of NDTV.
Leftists and Liberals in India have a Lifelong syndrome of changing their Views and Positions in favor of Agenda. Their Agenda is Currently - "BJP Mukt Bhaarat", For that they are ready to Burn entire India or Partition the Country again if necessary, Just like Chacha Nehru and Gandhi did in 1947, To appease this Community.
This is why I stopped being a Leftist, It became too hard to justify the stupid shit done by Muslims & Communists. You might have seen some of my Comments on some videos defendingf Muslims or Islam, Its my Leftist Habit showing itself from time to t ime, I can't get over this completely.
Takes some time to go through the Ledftist & Secular Brainwashing, Just like it takes a Person to get over Lifelong Trauma.
a hypocrite
All individuals who are offering unconditional and unidirectional secularism to the peacefuls are NOT ONLY hypocrites but also fools of the highest order.
Mr. Gupta is an exceptional hypocrite and has a devious agenda of teaching the lessons of secularism exclusively to Hindu's.
What Nupur said is a well documented historical FACT. Why get so touchy about it
Yep, God gets offended too. Bhagwan Krishna ignored 100 abuses of shishupal but after that he beheaded him with his sudarshan chakra.
@anirudh sharma sarcastically. Is 100 times the limit?
@anirudh sharmavo dwapar tha ye kaliyug h.
The key thing there is HE beheaded Sisupal. He didn't ask his followers to do it.
@@tejamysore3699 Exactly , and he never asked anyone to behead someone because someone doesn't believe in him .
Also he gave warnings till the 99th time . The same way there are regular genocide (insult) of Hindus ( Moplah , Direct Action Day , Kashmir , Delhi riots , Bhainsa Riots etc) , the Ms must know that there will be a limit if they don't stop.
Numerical incorrect , Shri Krishna gave Shishupal 99 warnings and beheaded him on 100th .
That dream blasphemy event happened a couple of months ago in pakistan. For those who are not aware, let me explain to tell you how ridiculous this Islamic concept of Blasphemy is.
A teenage muslim girl studying in a school had a dream one night. The dream was that her English teacher [who is also Sunni muslim] would deface the Quran. Note that it never happened. It was just her dream.
She immediately informed her aunt on waking up and they both, along with another classmate who is also the same teacher's student, when and murdered her.
That is how crazy this goes and pseudoliberals who support blasphemy laws for just the muslim community's appeasement should know this story.
It doesn't matter whether you or me have actually done the offense. It is just required that a muslim dreams or thinks that I might have done it and you are a dead person. That is how their holy books and holy leaders teach them about "peace" and how they are a "peaceful community".
You are right we need to remove blasphemy laws if we want India a progressive nation like France and Usa.
Blasphemy laws are curse on democracy.
@@DhruvPatel-zg1zs In UK, there is something called SPEAKER'S CORNERS. You can watch youtube videos of it. Anyone can come into a public park and start speaking on religion/politics etc and everyone can join the debate. Watch some videos and see how those videos go, with logic and decency and no shouting at all.
@@maheshdocherla yea it is good thing. I watch vegan debating with muslim. muslim even can't hold the fact that mohmmad married with 6 year old. it was too good to watch. I wish India have place like that in future.
Islam must reform. Free and fair discussions on every belief system should be promoted.
Shekhar ji, where were you when Hindu gods are insulted? Right to offend only for Muslims?
I want to live in a country where if you want to make fun of or criticize prophet muhammad, you can. If you want to criticize Christ, you can. Heck, if you want to criticize Ram, you can.
It's absolute bullshit that you will go to jail if you just criticize a religious figure. 295 makes sense. 295 (a) should be repealed.
You can criticize Ram and Christ pretty much anywhere in the world. You probably can't criticize prophet Muhammed even in Mars😆😁🤣😅
@@srinisbir8781 criticize Ram in today's India? yeah, i don't wanna go to jail like Munnawar Farooqi
@@kushal4956 you will not be killed for doing so might win a tv show as a consequence same can't be said for Allah and Mohammad
@@ParulAgnihotri great, I won't be killed but i will go to jail. how nice. the only difference is that it was the govt. who jailed farooqi, not some rogue mob giving death threats.
the rioters should obviously be arrested but along with that, the blasphemy laws shud be abolished.
nobody shud face any consequences with the law for insulting any religion. people shud be free to make fun of all gods and religions and yes, that includes Hinduism. if sm1 r offended by someone saying something derogatory about their religion, they shud either say smtn back or ignore. if they get violent, they shud be thrown behind bars
@@kushal4956 and who is against this ?
"If you read the Qu'ran, you are Muslim.
If you understand the Qu'ran, you are Ex-Muslim!"
-- CREATOR --
I don't think all are demanding "Arrest" many were pretty clear what they want, Kashmir Mosque announcement, and many among crowd chanted "sar Tan se ..."
Also maybe SG missed statement of AIMM leader and ex NDTV journalist now MP, who asked for "Hanging" of Nupur Sharma.
I believe that everyone should respect all religions, but freedom of speech is the lifeblood of democracy. Blasphemy laws are unconstitutional in a democratic society. Because of our appeasement policies, our founding fathers in India have caused further problems and headaches by upholding archaic British-era legislation. Nobody has ever met God, according to Shekar Gupta and we all know that. It is not God who protects us, but rather it is us who protect God. It appears that we made God rather than God creating us. Religion, in my opinion, may either be a great moral discipline or the source of all evil. It is contingent on how you practice.
Can agree with you but the problem is we humans are not perfect we have to draw a line somewhere with morality for freedom of speech. If not, then bad elements of society who don't carry that they are bad but act on it will do more damage
Freedom of speech vs hate speech? A balance that RSS kinda people don’t understand. Demonising a group or it’s gods? That will surely lead to discrimination.
@@nnoor1715 agreed but these type of elements are everywhere in the globe.
Many are misled because they don't understand or don't have any knowledge.
We shouldn't judge a religion by looking at how these peoples are acting on it. Same goes for Hindus. RSS doesn't represent Hindus.
We should respect all religion the way it should be.
@@nnoor1715 no one bats an eye when the Maulana disrespected Shiv linga and Nupur said what is mentioned in the hadith if you insult others gods be prepared to get the incoming bitter truth, but apparently nobody has demanded head of the maulana
@@AK-ww4vu sue the maulana for hate speech!
10:30 One should not forget that a few years after Tarana-e-Hindi (popularly known as Saare Jahan se Acha), the same guy wrote Tarana-e-Milli with the lyrics "Cheen-o-Arab Hamara, Hindostan hamara, Muslim hai ham, watan hai saara jahan hamara" which loosely translates to "China and Arabia are ours, India is ours, we are Muslims, the whole world is our country" 😂
That introduction is very well thought out. 👏
This is all well orchestrated. Protests to arise so well on the same day across multiple cities….
This is all reaction to a person babbling something on TV, which happens all the time, and which is pretty much mentioned in the scriptures as well.
This is anger against a lot of things spilling out together - Ayodhya, Gyanvapi, 370, marginalisation, etc. Most importantly, against Modi and BJP.
Freedom of speech paid for in blood not designed to make us comfortable it was designed to keep us free
Not respecting and not showing reverence to motherland India, giving whatever reason is absolutely not acceptable. Disrespecting our motherland God India’s heritage is not acceptable to us homegrown traditionalists and disrespecting our India is blasphemy. That behavior is clearly deliberate insult and blasphemy of all life giving God India - Bharatamata. India has definition of blasphemy.
Take a chill pill buddy
If you're offended, deal with it. Stop this temper tantrum.
absolute nonsense. anybody is allowed to anything about this country unless it threatens national security
If the 295a is used against nupur Sharma then people should remember that it will widen the pandora box that has already been released because she didn't even commit any blasphemy technically it was a quote from largely accepted hadith book and if she is put in jail then people should also remember what were tweeted by some people one of them being a Mp from West Bengal and many other such people should also be jailed for same reason and if that doesn't happen then it will be case of other Shah Banu where this thing will be remembered for long time because in that case "not a lawyer" many people who tweeted and said some thing against Hindu deities have a much better case to be prosecuted on and great episode by the way atleast someone noticeable from liberal side atleast acknowledged what happened to kamlesh tiwari and not just ignore it
Remember Munnawar Farouqui? Let's hear your excuse why that was justified!! Looks like you want tit for tat!! Well think of it as if jailing nupur sharma would be a perfect tit for tat for what had happened to Munnawar farouqui!!
@@sam83santy well then who are any of us to decide where tit for tat ends then let's play this self defeating game and see who will lose more because both side will lose but one side will lose more and if taken to logical extreme end then even aazan may be banned because it says in different language i am paraphrasing it " There is no God but Allah and prophet Mohammed is his last messenger". I think a lot of people from different religion find it offensive and indirectly insulting other gods, mostly who have many gods
@@jitendrachoubisajitendrach6745 you should practice what you preach..its you who started the game of tit for tat, not I!! If you really believed that tit for tat was always a self defeating game, you wouldnt have commented what you did in your original comment in retaliation to the possibility of nupur Sharma getting jailed precisely because that amounts to tit for tat!! Looks like its self defeating for you only when the "tit" is on hindus, but it's perfectly alright if it is on muslims!!
@@sam83santy bro I don't know why are you taking this personally I do not support arrest for munawar Farooq as for starting of tit for tat where should we start from painting of MF Hussain or should we start from the author of sita ki rasoi to which in reply someone wrote rangeela rasool or should we start from Arabic and turkic invaders who broke idols and temples to whom today's muslim don't have anything to do and should not be held accountable for with and i do not understand from where did this tit for tat started in my first comment i only said technically nupur Sharma did not commit any blasphemy because she was quoting from sahi bukhari hadith which is considered most accurate among hadiths. Please can you tell me what this tit for tat is about because I know there are many prominent people who said a lot of thing after gyanvapi shivling case which people would find very offensive some of them very crude and if hurt feeling is the criteria then let's apply it secularly to everyone and see who loses more because both side will lose but one side will lose more
@@jitendrachoubisajitendrach6745 good that you could at the least convince your ownself that you arent doing tit for tat!! 😉
I know it is distasteful to find offensive depictions of religion but blasphemy laws don’t make sense
Why there are double standards about this. Usually, when the hindu beliefs are mocked, criticized, or insulted, it is called freed of speech by the liberals and when the hindu community protested, then India has become intolerant and you had painter Hussain, DMK's Karunanidhi who make it a point to insult hindu gods and their beliefs. When it comes to muslims, then the theory is totally lopsided. There would be no freedom of speech, it would be blasphemy for anything said against Islam or Prophet. The problem is not with muslim communty, but rather the liberal community mostly hindus or in the name of hindu, who have different versions for different community. PK movie was one good example where Hindu beliefs and gods were mocked, but it was touted as freedom to express and creativity liberty to express, so hindus can't have the liberity of sensibilities to religious expressions while muslims can afford to be intolerant at the slightest of mischief. If you look at the recent episode of Nupur, it was to and fro arguement and counter arguement that led to those comments, but the hindu mocking was completely ignored, while the referrences to Prophet upheld. The bottomline is Hindus must always remain tolerant to any religious taunts as they are not suppose to express their frustrations while the other communities can go to any extent for any kind of religious breach.
Sahih al Bukhari, author of the Hadiths known by his name, a non Arab, possibly of Persian or Turki origin, born 200+ years after the death of the Arabic Prophet, at least 4000+ km away from the Arabic holy cities.
And it is considered the most authentic hadiths by the believers of Arabic ideology.
5133 amd 5134 is the hadith that Ms Nupur Sharma quote in the TV program.
It stated, the Arabic holy man cum warlord when he was 54+ married a girl child of 6 years and consummated the marriage when she was 56 and she was 9 years.
Typically class 3 going kid.
Why this is an insult now? It is an accepted fact by the believers, and apparently very proud of.
What you think will be reaction from hindus when on live television vulgar stuff start getting peddled.
@@neetphodovideos9687 people had already done it with the oldest Indian diety Shiva, live on TV.
So, you are saying quoting from the most authentic Hadiths is vulgar.
Maybe the Hadiths are all fiction, all written after Sharia was codified, 100 years in the Abbassid caliphate, to justify it.
In the first century of the AH, there is no Sharia, no Hadiths, no biography of the Prophet.
A myth created by the abbasids for political and social reasons. Essentially all fake.
Go back to Quran is the way out.
BJP's action has emboldened the mullas & as per a plan they have orchestrated this violence, bjp will have to pay for this dearly.
@@Vizorfam why should she apologize, she only stated fact. Shut your kejriwal ass licker
I want BJP to pay the price... but all the other parties are seeing a golden opportunity and indulging to a traditionally anti-BJP votebank. This is likely to drive common Hindus to support the BJP even more.
Not a BJP supporter but the whole clip needs to be seen. The islamic person who was on the panel was calling out shiv ling sexual nuances, to which She replies what actually are facts and have been written in the Qur'an. These people are stupid when Uighur muslims are forced to convert they never call out. It's BS. Illiteracy is the main problem.
This should be a call-out to mainly these news channels who Start these non sensical debates. Bc we are in a high inflation period uske baare mai koi baat nahi karega.
@@chandekam1826 why would a common Hindu support BJP? For throwing the poor lady under the bus or leaving the Bengali tribals to their fate after the west bengal elections, BJP doesn't know how to govern and it's members are ever busy to attain leftist validation.
It's hard to have zero tolerance and a democracy. At the same some time, Hindutva is a way of life that brings peacefulness and harmony regardless of religion and class. Any mindsets/actions in opposition to the laws of harmony should be eradicated. While we don't mock, but we must expose facts.
I also think that we need a classless society so that no one can feel entitled to discriminate another.
🤣🤣ratan lal arrest and death threats on him have not happened long ago.
Have you read purana like shiv purana,visnu purana
@@neetphodovideos9687 no, is there a link for that
what a coward you turned out to be Mr Gupta! what a shame!
Sir, do you have the conviction to say that the Danish cartoonist who drew the image of the holy prophet exercised his freedom of expression but was punished/killed for the same?
In every episode I get to learn so much about our dark past and how we got here today!
THE FIRST THING OUR NATION NEEDS TO DO , IS TO COMPLETELY DISCARD ARTICLE 295A AND 295 FROM THE INDIAN CONSTITUTION ASAP!! ITS THE NEED OF THE HOUR..
A woman in Indonesia was sentenced to 2 years jail, just for complaining to her neighbour that the loudspeaker from the nearby mosque was too loud and giving her a headache.
The former governor of Jakarta spent few years jail for making a campaign speech in which he said that in history there were many times when muslims have lived under a non muslim leader in other countries. Incidentally this governor was one of the best and efficient in Jakarta's history.
In both cases, their prosecution was based on an archaic blasphemy law, and both were non muslims.
And in both cases the government had to bow down to intense populist pressure.
Therefore , any law against blasphemy must be fair, balanced and not leaning towards any hypersensitivity of a particular religion , because in all likelihood it will be misused by certain quarters who have other ulterior motives against the government of the day or the country itself.
🇫🇷 Blasphemy is our birthright 🇫🇷
What can we do as a hindu amongst these tension...They're challenging us.
We're not safe if any planned attack happens.
Really Excellent and thought provoking as well as knowledgable video and the manner in which Mr. Sekar Gupta has explained is really tremendous. Congratulations to him for giving us a brief idea about various laws on Blasphemy;Wilfred
This guy is not saying if the words said by NS is entitled to FOE or not. Maybe he is himself
worried of the blasphemy laws
The best reference in this episode is MF Hussain. Clearly tells who went to court against MF Husain and did not take violence into their own hands.
If protests are intensified then it will be very good for Politicians because common Hindus already started feeling that, this is very small thing and people already punished but why people taking law and order into their hands to show the strength on streets?
Also, a lot of the secular "hindus", who say words like "quaran is a holy book and all religions teach love " needs to have some basic understanding of religion in general. Islam has a very clear definition of who is a muslim and who us not. Who is going to goto heaven and who is not. FYI, if you're the nicest person in the world but an atheist, or your way of praying to god is idols, then you are commiting the biggest sin in islam. The pluralism while can be found in some moderate views, lacks significantly in all abrahamic religions(Christianity, Judaism and Islam). Also, muslims literally know and are taught these things at home from childhood. Of course there are exceptions, but its very inportant to distinguish the islamic theology from your "pluralistic" version of hinduism.
People are not their religions. Most people I know are better than their religion teaches them to be. They have to do a lot of weed gymnastics to get to that point but they get there. The more you attack someone the more they are pushed into seeking refuge in that identity. I was taught as a kid at home that even though there is one God people worship him in different ways. No one talked of hell. Do you know why because there are so many stupid rules that people themselves do not follow that according to the book they would be in hell themselves. But the process enlightment to shed religion can only happen in a an environment where I don't have to live in constant fear merely because of my religious identity. It cannot happen when my indian Ness is being questioned all the time.
Holy books are relics of their times and that is where they should remain. They might have value as literature or aids to study of history but as moral codes they are mostly useless.
Attack Islam, religions need to be attacked because they hold too much power in our country but what has been happening is are attacks on Muslims from birth to livelihood to food to even death. Learn to differentiate.
@@71espn relic ? Do you know that for muslims to be even considered muslims, you have to believe every word of quaran ? The educated,liberal and frankly logical point of view does not apply here. Gulf countries that even protest are filled with educated people. Why do you think they protested, even after knowing what nupur said was not wrong ?
Everyone should watch this episode. Left, right & centre and extreme right ….. . Truly & truly enlightening.
A very good video, sir.
Sir,u very comfortably forgot to mention about the violence in this protest,the violent mindset too.U shud have analyzed that.Did nupur sharma said any thing factually incorrect.u are discussing abt law.let courts decide it.india won't be run by patharbaazi.But yes today's incident has opened my eye .I must take steps to protect my culture and civilization before it is too late
It is Muslims are the reason Hindu outfit like Bajrang dal RSS was created. Earlier hardly people heard much about Bajrang dal or RSS. But with these activities of Muslims I m in much favours of Hindus outfit.
Muslims are not following Islam they are becoming radical. And this influence Hindus and it's various outfit to resist them.
As Muslims behave such a way I definitely like BJP to be there forever in country.
Already we see that one community has put entire nation on ransom for centuries. Countless times we see they tend to impose extreme views and tribal laws in this land. And please Guptaji if you say law for no right to offend, although I don't agree with this notion, consider Hindusim also has the right to exercise this.