It's a black-and-white, so there's no shadow mask (that's why color CRTs have high charge storage). The probe-with-grounded-screwdriver and mounting a drain wire is still recommended.
I used to service these back in the early 90's. One other thing you want to look at on these old macs is the analog board. Specifically, the solder connections under the flyback transformer. They used to crack around the pins from the heat and screens would flicker and go dark. I never worked on one that didn't need those connections reflowed.
@@ahah1785 There was no such thing as planned obsolescence back then. Computers were far too expensive in those times to deliberately choose B-grade components or cut corners in the design in such a way a suitable component would be stressed towards its SOA's. Bad solder joints around pins from the flyback transformers due to heat was a rather common issue in those days. Flyback transformers just ran rather warm and at some point, the solder will give. Many TV's suffered the same problem.
Never been much of a PC/electronic enthusiast but I can’t stop watching these restorations. It’s nice to learn about old school electronics like this and you explain everything so nicely and straightforward.
Wow. My computer will be 40 yrs old then. (Apple OS support for Mojave is amazing, even though my computer isn't technically supported being a mid 2009 MacBook Pro.
Year: 2049 8-bit guy: Here we have an old ancient rtx 2080 gaming build from 30 years ago. It does run an old operating system called windows 10. So lets see if we can restore this old machine to brand new condition.
Man, these restorations are supremely satisfying. I've got one of those Floppy Emu devices you showed at 16:20, it's a great little investment for all sorts of Apple machines!
OMG Someone knows Druaga1. It would be good if The 8-Bit Guy was actually aware of him [Dunno if he is, but still.] Druaga1 can show David say, how does he write all sorts of Mac Floppies and solve most issues David has, and of course, vice-versa.
I have proof the SCSI2SD card works in a Mac SE. I have done it. Mine didn't work either until changed the name of the drive to "seagate" and a few other options. Also I booted up the machine first with floppies then formatted the drive within System 6. You can't (at least with mine) simply drag and drop files to the sd card. The way I'm able to get files onto the Mac SE and upload to my pc is through ADTpro with use of my Apple IIGS and the 3.5 floppy drive. Also make sure the files are good for transfer relabeling them from ".disk" to ".po". I'm able to make floppy images for it using minimac emulator.
Virtual Robots Revolt that is a pretty valid solution. Apple tended to lock down all their 68000 macs with ROM protection chips. Their own branded SCSI drives would be no exception to this rule. I remember once getting a third party SCSI optical CD drive to work with a res edit script hack.
This is long, but here goes: I've been working on an SE/30 restoration. My machine has a perfect motherboard with no leaking capacitors and a highly valued ethernet card. Your video has inspired me to go all the way on restoring the case, keyboard, and mouse with a peroxide solution. It's not surprising that you're having a nightmare putting software on that SD card. It's painful since HFS isn't supported by any machine after Jaguar. Don't ask how I know! I'm sure you know old software is available at a number of sites for free (my favorite price). Getting software installed was a painful step-by-step process. I had a modern Mac to download the basic drivers for upgrading the system-- but you have to write them to an IBM formatted floppy, which obliterates the file name. It's a roll the dice scenario whether the System 7 software can figure out what to do. Some files work, others, notsomuch. I tried networking a modern MacPro to the SE/30. It would log on fine, but again, HFS left the internal drive unreadable and unwritable. Darn it. But I did get the drivers to load a Zip drive-- which ups your content to 100MB and speeds things along. I dug out an old Yosemite G3 Mac, but it had no drive and the internal battery had exploded. A clean up and new battery got it working. I cannibalized an old external IDE drive and installed OS 9.2 from an old CD installer-- surprised I still had it. The G3 talks to the SE/30 with no problem over FTP, but it's not very fast at file transfers. That's where the Zip drive becomes invaluable. OS 9.2 is better at navigating the internet than OS 7, but many pages fail to load since Java is ancient on these machines. But an open source community retrofitted Mozilla for OS 9, called Classzilla. Viola! Downloads are pouring in-- over to zip-- over to the SE/30. Done. Because the G3 has USB native, I suspect loading up your flash drive should be done on an OS 9 machine. I'm not done yet. I have a flakey power cable to the hard drive. I need to locate a replacement with the proper pins. I'm interested in some of your friend's upgrades. They look like fun-- or a pain-- if you're into that kind of thing.
One trick to transfer files from a PC to a Mac is to use a Mac Emulator on the PC (Fusion PC or SoftMac from Emulators Inc, Executor from ARDI, or Sheepshaver and Basilisk II), use Stuffit to compress the files into an archive that preserves the Macintosh file attributes, and then you can use HFV Explorer to copy the archive from the hard disk image the Emulator uses onto a PC floppy and transfer that to your Mac.
HFS is completely irrelevant. The Mac is trying to format it from scratch and failing. Something more basic is wrong there. Either the adaptor board isn't lying about the drive type properly - and the Mac rejects it - or quite likely the SCSI controller chip is B0rked. BTW I note that David didn't replace any electrolytic caps on the board :-/
great video as always David! one tip i for discharging a crt. i wouldn't trust an alligator clip to hold on the screwdriver, i usually remove the alligator clip and wrap wire around the screwdriver. I've been bitten when the clip came off the screwdriver in the past :\
What I admired is the candid way you present your original hypothesis and that you found it was not true. It is a huge learning lesson, not just about the incompatible card, but your professional way to present it. Telling others something does not work is a huge contribution to someone interested in something similar.
No need to Replace the Hard Drive. When I got my '87 SE, it only booted off of a floppy. I accidentally ran into a door frame with it, and voila, the Hard drive began to work again.
Those of us in the 'tech trade call that "Percussive Maintenance". Give it a few hard whacks until it works. Probably the hard drive was like the brakes on a car that's been sitting for a few months... the head had "locked up", and the collision with the door frame knocked it loose.
I've got an HDD that won't work because of stiction unless you turn it on its side. Then it works perfectly. (Fortunately, I use it in a hot-swappable external drive housing that just happens to be designed to stand on its side.)
Ford Mavericks OS X yes, but it's going to be costly and may not be worth it, as those drives are getting old and more unreliable. Which is the main reason why David wanted to switch to a SCSI-SD adapter.
Sorta kinda. A CRT is an electron gun that's aimed across the screen very quickly by magnetic field coils. Vacuum tubes in the traditional sense do accelerate electrons that are boiled off the cathode, but they just use grids and screens and no complex aiming or phosphorescence is involved at all. The magic eye tubes would be the natural intermediate between say, a pentode and a CRT.
I serviced Mac SEs when they were new and tons of other CRT based computers and monitors. Your method for discharging the CRT is sound and I like that you demonstrated how to do it. Another tip you didn't mention: remove ALL jewelry (wedding rings, etc) whenever working with high voltage. Things get really fun when you have to make picture adjustments with the system on.
I've had experience with this exact issue and managed to get my Quantum HDD working by holding it by my side and swirling it fast clockwise then anti-clockwise. You may need to perform this multiple times to free up the motor. It will free up the bearing and if there’s a valid OS install it should boot. There was a firmware update you could burn to the Eprom back in the late 80s that addressed this issue.
Roger Barraud he would not be able to do any of the following if the head was stuck to the platter? He was simply freeing up a stiff motor bearing by making the platter jerk through forced enertia. Believe me a head crash sticks like shit to a blanket and involves opening the drive in a filtered air clean room conditions to allow you to spin the platter counter clockwise from the hub whilst you gently pull the head assembly clear with some sort of hook. The drive is in logan time after this and should be recovered ASAP.
Now there is an interesting idea! Then again isn't it easier to just get a new virtual multitrack (software) that runs on a ne er computer for about $300? Do You have a lot of old projects in some kind of unique format , that you would have to transfer out of the Akai in real time? What format does the Akai use to record?
They make IDE ones too! (A lot of folks are using the Compact Flash adapters; but they totally make SD card ones too, which are just plain better, IMHO).
The SE was my first computer at 4 years old, got it back in the 90s when it was already dated, and kept it to this day. I've been hesitant to dive into the rabbit hole of restoration, but you and Action Retro etc have motivated me to dive in.. Thanks for all the effort that goes into making these videos.
Problem, the computer locked up on a compact flash solution as well, then theres that he was able to write an OS using Apple Pie baker and it still locked up, the write protect would have prevented that, and compact flash card dont have write protect tabs.
Ive worked on dozens of macs over the years, with modern storage as well as original storage. I have found that Lido is your best bet, next being silverlining. I use an SE with a SCSI2SD without issue. Just so your aware. YOU HAVE TO KEEP YOUR PARTITIONS 1.8GB or under! or it will NOT work.
I agree with this. I have an original SE (low density version) which I have used with the AztecMonster CF to SCSI adapter, the SCSI2SD (older version with the red board), and also the Floppy Emu. All work fine. I always initialize with Lido, and use 1 gb CF and SD cards.
Classic Amiga's have a similar partition size limit of 4GB. Various upgrades and patches have broken the 4GB barrier but if you are starting from scratch, it's something to keep in mind.
What's the street value of a 30 year old yellow piece of obsolete tech plastic covered in oxidizer? 🤔 That might get you like, 1 teeny tiny crystal of meth from a dealer into old tech like that. 🤣
I believe this was the Macintosh computer that was used for my elementary school computer labs in the early 1990s. We played a lot of edutainment games on it like math blaster and stuff
Watching these teardown videos, I realise I could be dead right now. I cleaned up an old CRT with a brush, wiping the inside dust with my hand and turning it on from time to time if it still worked.... Thank God I'm ok and I learned how to properly deal with old computers!
With the amount of Retro Bright you go through for your various projects, I'd imagine the people who run Sally's Beauty Supply are on a first name basis with you?
One time I couldnt write to an SD even after trying the lock in both positions . . . Stuck it in a friends macbook pro and it suddenly worked flawlessy. SD locks are fucking magic.
Hey 8-Bit-Guy I just wanted to say thank you for your videos. It really calms me down after a hard day of work to watch you doing a restoration. Please keep going.
Would be kinda sureal if he actually uploaded and edited the video after an electrocution. "We'll that didn't go as planned, I was knocked out for several hours and lost motor control on my right side, we'll deal with that later, luckily the screen still seem to function..."
I have just ordered a Macintosh II and a Macintosh SE to add to my projects. As far as the SE is concerned, thanks for doing all the hard work yourself first so I'll have a guide to follow. ;)
I got a SCSI2SD adapter for my Amiga 500 hard drive. 11/10, highly reccommend! I never knew how freaking loud SCSI hard drivers were (I never had an HD when I was a kid), and it just blew my mind when I first hooked it up. So yeah, definitely get an adapter, even though they are quite expensive.
15:22 the large number of INITs (extensions) and CDEVs (control panels) might be contributing to the lock-up. If it's System 7, you should be able to skip them by holding down left shift. I don't think MacOS 6 had that feature, though. :/
THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS AND ALL THE OTHER REFURB PROJECTS YOU DO! This takes me back to when I was in my 20's and I used to hang out at a friend of the family who's dad was a doctor and he let me use their Mac and the internet (back in the mid-90's it was still dial up LOL (no, I don't think they didn't had a DSL line)). They had a Mac that looked similar to this one (with MYST no less) until a few years later they bought a newer model with a COLOR SCREEN! LOL. Man! That Mac was soooo cool! Thanks again man! And KEEP GOING!! Woohoo!
"Working on CRTs is generally safe.." David, at least two generations of TV repairmen worked on HUGE cathode ray sets with pretty much zero fatalities. And, if you're old enough, you'll even remember the days when TV guys actually came to your house and fixed sets whilst squatting awkwardly in difficult corners of your living room. Safely. It's all a matter of training and respect for danger. Like avoiding big charged capacitors and the tube's EHT supply. Here in the UK, the professional electric group that consistently records NO fatalities is the one that services, installs and repairs super-high voltage transmission lines. Two million volts HVDC isn't very forgiving. Most deaths happen with corner-cutting factory electricians working on 440v three phase systems. Even with the stupidity of the average citizen, the lower voltage domestic 240v kills remarkably few.
You sir are a genius. I was using an SE in 1990 with a 19-inch external monitor. It was amusing to see someone's look of amazement and wonder when they first laid eyes on Aldus PageMaker on the big grayscale monitor, doing that desktop publishing thing. "Wow! You can actually see the newspaper page on the screen!"
The 8-Bit Guy Hey the8-bitguy I have a FloppyEmu like you described at the end of your video. If you would like to borrow it to test out your Macintosh SE or for later videos, I am willing to send it to you as long as you pay for shipping and return it back to me when you're finished.
I quote that movie constantly. Especially back when I lived with a double music major. Anytime I recognized a piece of music that she didn't, I would have to break out the "you are aware that there was music made before 1989? You're a music major" line on her. And then or course there's: MEAT TOSSER! Hey Butlicks. Remember me? uhh, I didn't exhale. And the all time greatest line ever: "Could you blow me where the pampers is?" "She knows, she knows"
I own an SE myself. Got it off eBay for $75 shipped a couple years ago. It came with a surprise...An Ethernet card! I'd like to say I still have the card, but I ended up trading it to someone to obtain a SCSI hard-drive. Mine did not come with one and one someone offered to me for free turned out to be a dead drive. :( Anyways, I ended up also getting 2 Zip drives. One printer port one for PC and one SCSI one. These are a god send if you want to send anything large over to your SE! I'd recommend going this route if you haven't already. There is software for PC that can format zip disks to what the SE can use. Granted you'd need a newer USB based zip drive if you want to do this on more modern hardware, but I happen to have a couple older PCs so not an issue. :P I went with getting a real SCSI drive for my machine mainly to keep it original. I like the sound it makes with that old drive spinning up inside. Plus the SD/SCSI adapters are still out of my price range anyways. My SE had a SuperDrive floppy drive, so using that for small things between my PCs. But I still got the zip drives to handle large stuff. :D I wish to own a SE/30 at some point too. They were the best all-in-ones Apple made before they transitioned over to color CRTs and such (As for best color all-in-ones. Anything that used a Trinitron is on my favorite list. ;) ). The Macintosh Classic and Classic II are just gimped versions of the SE and SE/30. As for your Mac not booting up correctly on a preformatted SD. Could try slimming down the extensions that are booting up on that OS install. Might be something on there causing issues. I recall there is a key you can hold down on boot to boot without extensions .Shift I think? Actually been awhile since I had to do that. You could try that as a quick test to see if it's just the config of the OS that's the issue. Also try a different cable. Though I think that's already been suggested before. I have yet to hear about a SE mobo that needs new caps (The SE/30 and newer machines certainly need recapped though). But definitely think about replacing caps in the analog board/power supply. ;)
Nice video! Just a quick tip though; you might want to install System 6 instead of System 7. Don't get me wrong, System 7 is great on a Performa or something like that, but for one of the "tosters" as I like to call them, it's just too slow. If you check the system resources in the apple icon, you'll find that the OS alone takes up over 75% of ram! I have three of these set up in a network for occasional Bolo matches, and it simply wasn't possible with System 7.
Sorry, I was kind of annoyed because your post was like the 4th or 5th one I had read telling me to check the write protect. I guess you were the lucky one I blurted out at.
Definitely smart to warn people about the possibility of a high voltage discharge from the CRT...
If he didn’t they would learn the hard way
If he didnt they would be dead lol
12yrs on yt
It's a black-and-white, so there's no shadow mask (that's why color CRTs have high charge storage). The probe-with-grounded-screwdriver and mounting a drain wire is still recommended.
@From the Soil thanks?
I used to service these back in the early 90's. One other thing you want to look at on these old macs is the analog board. Specifically, the solder connections under the flyback transformer. They used to crack around the pins from the heat and screens would flicker and go dark. I never worked on one that didn't need those connections reflowed.
I just bought a Macintosh SE with a screen that doesn't work (eBay). I'm hoping that the brightness is turned down, or it's the problem you described.
It ended up a broken leg at component L1 on the analog board!
wow even back then macs had heat issues and planned obsolescence in mind...amazing...
@@ahah1785 There was no such thing as planned obsolescence back then. Computers were far too expensive in those times to deliberately choose B-grade components or cut corners in the design in such a way a suitable component would be stressed towards its SOA's.
Bad solder joints around pins from the flyback transformers due to heat was a rather common issue in those days. Flyback transformers just ran rather warm and at some point, the solder will give. Many TV's suffered the same problem.
@@weeardguy the solder connections under the flyback transformer
I never realized just how soothing it is to watch someone restore old computers.
Never been much of a PC/electronic enthusiast but I can’t stop watching these restorations. It’s nice to learn about old school electronics like this and you explain everything so nicely and straightforward.
Imagine in 30 years time, 8-bit guy restoring the very device your watching this on in present day, as an antiquated system. From your mind i suppose!
walkthelineable the 64-bit guy
Wow. My computer will be 40 yrs old then. (Apple OS support for Mojave is amazing, even though my computer isn't technically supported being a mid 2009 MacBook Pro.
Year: 2049 8-bit guy: Here we have an old ancient rtx 2080 gaming build from 30 years ago. It does run an old operating system called windows 10. So lets see if we can restore this old machine to brand new condition.
My Nokia will never die
at the time he is not 8-bit guy anymore he is upgraded to 8-Gig guy
Man, these restorations are supremely satisfying.
I've got one of those Floppy Emu devices you showed at 16:20, it's a great little investment for all sorts of Apple machines!
Lazy Game Reviews how has nobody replied to lgr? also these restorations are supemely satisfying
Lazy Game Reviews you seem familiar...
I feel like I’ve seen you in blue television games
Lazy Game Reviews and i think Druaga1 also has one of those.
Lazy Game Reviews I like old computers :D
OMG Someone knows Druaga1. It would be good if The 8-Bit Guy was actually aware of him [Dunno if he is, but still.] Druaga1 can show David say, how does he write all sorts of Mac Floppies and solve most issues David has, and of course, vice-versa.
the suction cup pop scared me
s a me D:
CALL ME ASG same, good job it wasn't in 3d
hahaha
ikr is was a bot spooky
It's was like a jump scare XD
I have proof the SCSI2SD card works in a Mac SE. I have done it. Mine didn't work either until changed the name of the drive to "seagate" and a few other options. Also I booted up the machine first with floppies then formatted the drive within System 6. You can't (at least with mine) simply drag and drop files to the sd card. The way I'm able to get files onto the Mac SE and upload to my pc is through ADTpro with use of my Apple IIGS and the 3.5 floppy drive. Also make sure the files are good for transfer relabeling them from ".disk" to ".po". I'm able to make floppy images for it using minimac emulator.
Hopefully when his Mac SE SCSI dies again, he'll see this message.
i wouldnt call that "working" sorry; if u cant drag + drop files thats pretty useless imho
Virtual Robots Revolt that is a pretty valid solution. Apple tended to lock down all their 68000 macs with ROM protection chips. Their own branded SCSI drives would be no exception to this rule. I remember once getting a third party SCSI optical CD drive to work with a res edit script hack.
@@ChrisNova777 its on flash memory now which can last a ton longer and far more reliable than a spinning hard disk drive.
My grandparents have one of these that works completely fine, I feel like doing some preemptive maintenance next time I’m there.
This is long, but here goes:
I've been working on an SE/30 restoration. My machine has a perfect motherboard with no leaking capacitors and a highly valued ethernet card. Your video has inspired me to go all the way on restoring the case, keyboard, and mouse with a peroxide solution.
It's not surprising that you're having a nightmare putting software on that SD card. It's painful since HFS isn't supported by any machine after Jaguar. Don't ask how I know! I'm sure you know old software is available at a number of sites for free (my favorite price). Getting software installed was a painful step-by-step process. I had a modern Mac to download the basic drivers for upgrading the system-- but you have to write them to an IBM formatted floppy, which obliterates the file name. It's a roll the dice scenario whether the System 7 software can figure out what to do. Some files work, others, notsomuch.
I tried networking a modern MacPro to the SE/30. It would log on fine, but again, HFS left the internal drive unreadable and unwritable. Darn it. But I did get the drivers to load a Zip drive-- which ups your content to 100MB and speeds things along. I dug out an old Yosemite G3 Mac, but it had no drive and the internal battery had exploded. A clean up and new battery got it working. I cannibalized an old external IDE drive and installed OS 9.2 from an old CD installer-- surprised I still had it. The G3 talks to the SE/30 with no problem over FTP, but it's not very fast at file transfers. That's where the Zip drive becomes invaluable. OS 9.2 is better at navigating the internet than OS 7, but many pages fail to load since Java is ancient on these machines. But an open source community retrofitted Mozilla for OS 9, called Classzilla. Viola! Downloads are pouring in-- over to zip-- over to the SE/30. Done. Because the G3 has USB native, I suspect loading up your flash drive should be done on an OS 9 machine.
I'm not done yet. I have a flakey power cable to the hard drive. I need to locate a replacement with the proper pins. I'm interested in some of your friend's upgrades. They look like fun-- or a pain-- if you're into that kind of thing.
One trick to transfer files from a PC to a Mac is to use a Mac Emulator on the PC (Fusion PC or SoftMac from Emulators Inc, Executor from ARDI, or Sheepshaver and Basilisk II), use Stuffit to compress the files into an archive that preserves the Macintosh file attributes, and then you can use HFV Explorer to copy the archive from the hard disk image the Emulator uses onto a PC floppy and transfer that to your Mac.
You just reminded me that my cousin has an Atari Jaguar (which worked perfectly fine!) I'm not sure if he still has it but I may ask him!
HFS is completely irrelevant.
The Mac is trying to format it from scratch and failing.
Something more basic is wrong there.
Either the adaptor board isn't lying about the drive type properly - and the Mac rejects it - or quite likely the SCSI controller chip is B0rked.
BTW I note that David didn't replace any electrolytic caps on the board :-/
its odd that the two best nerds on youtube live so close to each other
Three, if you count the guy he took that C128 to.
Ever heard of Techmoan? Way out in the UK?
TECHMOAN, thought he is more an audio guy, like his vid's
Mark William Mandigers good point :)
LGR is pretty great as well
So glad I wasn't the only one that jumped when he popped the CRT cap off LOL
man i almost died when he did that
Relax, it's way less dangerous than people seem to think. The worst you'll get is a nasty shock.
yes yes hahahaha
same
i almost shit my pants
great video as always David! one tip i for discharging a crt. i wouldn't trust an alligator clip to hold on the screwdriver, i usually remove the alligator clip and wrap wire around the screwdriver. I've been bitten when the clip came off the screwdriver in the past :\
You should have more trust
What I admired is the candid way you present your original hypothesis and that you found it was not true. It is a huge learning lesson, not just about the incompatible card, but your professional way to present it. Telling others something does not work is a huge contribution to someone interested in something similar.
"oi, the guy is out there massaging cream on his computer parts again." - a concerned neighbour
LMFAO 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@vek7933.That explains it.The sheep in Texas ware chastity belts.
XD
Tim Walker I think you need a full 10 minute explanation of what a joke is.
"This is my computer, I can do whatever I want with it." - David in response
You know you're pro when you have sheets of aluminum "lying around"
and a wife that just happens to have tooling to help bend metal hahaha, that's something to aspire to
@Alan hughes I mean, last I checked, Aluminium was a metal
@Alan hughes Granted Ali is quite easy to bend if it's not work hardened
@@benammiswift In NZ we train cows to beat it with rubber mallets.
We call the resulting product
Moo-hammered Ali.
Even though the project didn't turn out as expected I loved the entire process.
No need to Replace the Hard Drive. When I got my '87 SE, it only booted off of a floppy. I accidentally ran into a door frame with it, and voila, the Hard drive began to work again.
Those of us in the 'tech trade call that "Percussive Maintenance". Give it a few hard whacks until it works. Probably the hard drive was like the brakes on a car that's been sitting for a few months... the head had "locked up", and the collision with the door frame knocked it loose.
SpearM3064 Yeah, some HDDs have a stiction problems.
I've got an HDD that won't work because of stiction unless you turn it on its side. Then it works perfectly. (Fortunately, I use it in a hot-swappable external drive housing that just happens to be designed to stand on its side.)
Lol that's cool! Does anyone sell hard drives for old Macs anymore?
Ford Mavericks OS X yes, but it's going to be costly and may not be worth it, as those drives are getting old and more unreliable. Which is the main reason why David wanted to switch to a SCSI-SD adapter.
"Attaches just like an old vacuum tube"
Well, it is an old vacuum tube. CRTs are just a very specialized application of the same technology.
Sorta kinda. A CRT is an electron gun that's aimed across the screen very quickly by magnetic field coils. Vacuum tubes in the traditional sense do accelerate electrons that are boiled off the cathode, but they just use grids and screens and no complex aiming or phosphorescence is involved at all. The magic eye tubes would be the natural intermediate between say, a pentode and a CRT.
Did both of you think he didn't know this?
I serviced Mac SEs when they were new and tons of other CRT based computers and monitors. Your method for discharging the CRT is sound and I like that you demonstrated how to do it. Another tip you didn't mention: remove ALL jewelry (wedding rings, etc) whenever working with high voltage. Things get really fun when you have to make picture adjustments with the system on.
it's been over a year and a half, time to finish this project.
4 years now
I've had experience with this exact issue and managed to get
my Quantum HDD working by holding it by my side and swirling it fast clockwise then
anti-clockwise. You may need to perform this multiple times to free up the
motor. It will free up the bearing and if there’s a valid OS install it should
boot. There was a firmware update you could burn to the Eprom back in the late
80s that addressed this issue.
How? Parking the drive properly before the power went right down?
Very hard to believe that wasn't a standard feature.
Roger Barraud he would not be able to do any of the following if the head was stuck to the platter? He was simply freeing up a stiff motor bearing by making the platter jerk through forced enertia. Believe me a head crash sticks like shit to a blanket and involves opening the drive in a filtered air clean room conditions to allow you to spin the platter counter clockwise from the hub whilst you gently pull the head assembly clear with some sort of hook. The drive is in logan time after this and should be recovered ASAP.
SD-to-SCSI? That is awesome. I had no idea these things existed
Even SD-2-IEC Exists.
I so need this for my old Akai Multitrack...
Now there is an interesting idea! Then again isn't it easier to just get a new virtual multitrack (software) that runs on a ne er computer for about $300? Do You have a lot of old projects in some kind of unique format , that you would have to transfer out of the Akai in real time? What format does the Akai use to record?
They make IDE ones too! (A lot of folks are using the Compact Flash adapters; but they totally make SD card ones too, which are just plain better, IMHO).
Hi egee! Lets benchmark kde in this
2:44
Wow, that battery is ancient. How amazing.
"Anyway, I ordered a new one on eBay for $8."
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The SE was my first computer at 4 years old, got it back in the 90s when it was already dated, and kept it to this day. I've been hesitant to dive into the rabbit hole of restoration, but you and Action Retro etc have motivated me to dive in.. Thanks for all the effort that goes into making these videos.
Typo at 4:58. "Postive" instead of "Positive". I also just want to say these videos are of great quality and are in general awesome!
Steve Jobs' ghost is making sure you can't use old Macs, so you'll have to buy a new one.
Paradoxical Nightmare lol nicely written😂
Paradoxical Nightmare yup, business is business.
No problem at all, just buy a new one for only US$ 3999.99, it is a bargain.
It doesn't have a grin so you know that isn't Steve's Macintosh.
Oh the hours I spent on my SE. You brought back great memories.
I can watch your videos and listen to your explanations for hours. You are one of the nicest and friendliest persons on TH-cam.
Uh... Isn't the SD card's write-protection lock enabled?
Eh.
I think it is... look 1:03
Problem, the computer locked up on a compact flash solution as well, then theres that he was able to write an OS using Apple Pie baker and it still locked up, the write protect would have prevented that, and compact flash card dont have write protect tabs.
Yeah. That could be the problem.
No physical protection inside card. Write protection is just signal for card reader. So it can be ignored on port side.
I got to around 13 minutes and was thinking... Did he remove the write protection from the SD-card. :O
you got me to think the same thing :O
if he didn't, he wouldn't be able to bake it with PiBaker.
Oh... my... god....
i've done that before, it sucks.
Maybe he could check the read/write switch and check a new SD card?
Ive worked on dozens of macs over the years, with modern storage as well as original storage. I have found that Lido is your best bet, next being silverlining. I use an SE with a SCSI2SD without issue. Just so your aware. YOU HAVE TO KEEP YOUR PARTITIONS 1.8GB or under! or it will NOT work.
I agree with this. I have an original SE (low density version) which I have used with the AztecMonster CF to SCSI adapter, the SCSI2SD (older version with the red board), and also the Floppy Emu. All work fine. I always initialize with Lido, and use 1 gb CF and SD cards.
Classic Amiga's have a similar partition size limit of 4GB. Various upgrades and patches have broken the 4GB barrier but if you are starting from scratch, it's something to keep in mind.
why is this so entertaining? it's literally a guy cleaning an old pc XD
similar to pressure washing I guess
whoeveriam0iam14222 idk why it is so entertaining. maby you like stuff like this
whoeveriam0iam14222 exactly :Q__
Well. It is the way everything is represented that is so nice and tidy.
Well at least I had never seen inside an old Macintosh SE, let alone tried to get a SCSI to SD -adapter working on one.
Because.. its the 8-bit guy.. he is entertaining in itself you know, no matter, as long as it is computer stuff.
Your attention to even the smallest of details never ceases to amaze me... I admire your thoroughness!
I’m surprised no one tries to steal his parts when he retrobrights
What's the street value of a 30 year old yellow piece of obsolete tech plastic covered in oxidizer? 🤔 That might get you like, 1 teeny tiny crystal of meth from a dealer into old tech like that. 🤣
They'd be more weirded out by what he's doing to the case.
@@mannys9130 It's about tree fiddy
Nicholas Gawler he rubs the lotion into the plastic then it gets the hose again! 😂😂😂
Just don't live in a ghetto
Jump scare at 5:39. I actually jumped.
Yeah, me too
sergiomanxeraa not me! I wasn't gonna jump!
Lol, glad im not the only one.
XD me too
BigStarGamer I was expecting an explosion or something lol
Dude. You are like the coolest nerd on TH-cam. So much respect!
You prune,cooling people a nerd is not nice
I believe this was the Macintosh computer that was used for my elementary school computer labs in the early 1990s. We played a lot of edutainment games on it like math blaster and stuff
I really enjoy your attention to the details. Shows a passion for your pass time.
Watching these teardown videos, I realise I could be dead right now. I cleaned up an old CRT with a brush, wiping the inside dust with my hand and turning it on from time to time if it still worked.... Thank God I'm ok and I learned how to properly deal with old computers!
With the amount of Retro Bright you go through for your various projects, I'd imagine the people who run Sally's Beauty Supply are on a first name basis with you?
This may sound stupid, but maybe the read lock on the SD card is pushed up
That's exactly what I was thinking too.
Mohammed Hamza Except when he used the utility to copy over a working SE HD image he didn't have a problem.
The adapter can always push it (that happened to me loads of times with SD cards)
One time I couldnt write to an SD even after trying the lock in both positions . . . Stuck it in a friends macbook pro and it suddenly worked flawlessy. SD locks are fucking magic.
_magic_
This is like watching Druaga1.
I like it.
supermario18 ayyy Druaga is awesome!
Except no weed. Sadly.
yeah, but no ssd's :( (and taquitos D:)
I don't think the 8-Bit Guy is a smoker, though...
animegamingdude Neither is Druaga
i am alwasy impressed at the quality of work in restoring this stuff.
My grandpa use to fix crt stuff for the neighborhood in the 80s. Man, if he was still here and knew what I was interested in, he would be stoked.
Best thing to get the black marks off is a magic eraser. They do wonders for marks that are stubborn.
This was uploaded only 4 or so minutes ago. How are people commenting hours ago?
That's what I was thinking
A Player 69 - Patreon donators get to see his videos hours before the rest.
patreon early access?
"Published" isn't the same as "Uploaded."
A Player 69 Time zones, possibly.
I was born in 2001 and the oldest pc i have used was one from around 1998 i think, it's so cool to see all these old computers and stuff!
ikr! I love these kinds of videos
Youe are so young! You are born after the 911?
No, i was born in june 2001
wtf!? It looks like a bubble xD
I have tried both ps1 and ps2 and i must say i think they are awesome!
I like that you are restoring the old classics
You are a good person for restoring old classics
Hey 8-Bit-Guy I just wanted to say thank you for your videos. It really calms me down after a hard day of work to watch you doing a restoration. Please keep going.
While I imagine you live in a great neighborhood, have you ever had any parts stolen during the retrobright process?
I'd imagine no, first off most people would look at the stuff and even if they knew what it was for, what would they do with it?
Who would take random pieces of plastic they have no idea what they are covered in some strange chemical?
It’s Texas. They’d probably die of lead poisoning. Pew pew
...you'll see why later
You never did explain why you vinyl-taped the bracket
As a shield for the board from shorting out
After that talk about electrocution, 5:40 made me jump.
theComputerGuy96 I thought there was going to be a big spark so I jumoed
Would be kinda sureal if he actually uploaded and edited the video after an electrocution.
"We'll that didn't go as planned, I was knocked out for several hours and lost motor control on my right side, we'll deal with that later, luckily the screen still seem to function..."
I think the screen would be the least of his problems :)
Victor Tran oh hey
Rasmus Olle Hello :)
I have just ordered a Macintosh II and a Macintosh SE to add to my projects. As far as the SE is concerned, thanks for doing all the hard work yourself first so I'll have a guide to follow. ;)
David is a genius! One of the best retro techs that I have ever seen!
1:56 Geez, the good old days when Dave Jones would actually tear something down BEFORE turning it on.
I think you mean murray
Dr lol he was talking About eevblog
"Don't turn it on, Take it apart!"
If this was Druaga1, the video would be full of incompatibility problems with that SD/SCSI adaptor...
You, Sir, are a top level nerd. You, Sir, must be really fun to hang out with.
Thanks for all the great videos.
I love the way you label parts on the logic board
I got a SCSI2SD adapter for my Amiga 500 hard drive. 11/10, highly reccommend! I never knew how freaking loud SCSI hard drivers were (I never had an HD when I was a kid), and it just blew my mind when I first hooked it up. So yeah, definitely get an adapter, even though they are quite expensive.
You didn't try the original SCSI hard drive in the other SE?
Its probably already dead, so there is no point
wow, i love the fact that you are uploading new vids much faster now.
Well, to be fair.. I've been working on these last two videos over the course of the last 2 weeks.
You should do a video on your driveway because it seems to be a common character on your videos.
Good grief. :D XD
you're more professional and knowledgeable than any repair staff at apple
This was the first computer i ever used as a kid its probably why i love classic macs so much
I jjumped out of the chair when the high voltage conector poped out! rsrsr
Obsolete geek: You heard what 8-bit guy said! Time to do some retrobright action! 😎
I love these videos, thank you for uploading, I watched every minute of it!
The seller helped me to tell me how to set it up. Easy! It worked right away.
the SE and the Plus are my favorite compact macs
Brandon Acevedo the Plus is a cute little beast! I have mine running with 4MB of ram and a Floppy Emu
Make sure your SD card isn't in write protect mode.
Please change your name.
I was drunk when i chose that name xd
i'm thinking about changing it to something else
thanks for posting on patron first.
15:22 the large number of INITs (extensions) and CDEVs (control panels) might be contributing to the lock-up. If it's System 7, you should be able to skip them by holding down left shift. I don't think MacOS 6 had that feature, though. :/
Oh wait, progress bar. That's definitely System 7. Try the left shift technique
I bought one for $50.00 and it was great! With a keyboard, mouse, OS, no smoke. It worked from the floppy.
I am starting to love all these modern SD drive replacements and floppy replacements that can give new, more reliable life to our beloved hardware!
THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS AND ALL THE OTHER REFURB PROJECTS YOU DO!
This takes me back to when I was in my 20's and I used to hang out at a friend of the family who's dad was a doctor and he let me use their Mac and the internet (back in the mid-90's it was still dial up LOL (no, I don't think they didn't had a DSL line)).
They had a Mac that looked similar to this one (with MYST no less) until a few years later they bought a newer model with a COLOR SCREEN! LOL. Man! That Mac was soooo cool!
Thanks again man! And KEEP GOING!! Woohoo!
10:10 Why not use a hot glue gun? That would seem to be less of a pain.
I've had less than stellar experience with hot glue.. It is good for certain applications, though.
icwiz hot snot is bad
Jacob Helton sally beauty salon
I wouldn't - the heat inside the machine can probably soften it enough to break the bond.
Where did you get that Apple shirt? It's really cool!
2:49 That battery costed almost as much as the Mac itself 😂
Max Davis 8 bit guy got the mac at a yard sale for $10, and then got it a new battery for $8.
FoxBitExtra lol I know right
@@FoxSock costs
I wish i could get a mac like tgat for 10 bucks (se, plus, classic) all of those are good.
Those radius accelerator boards are very fascinating
No joke, but I think I have watched this video about 100 times and I'm not bored yet.
From the video it looks like you use "Salon Care 40 Volume Creme" for the retro-brightening. Is that correct?
Correct.
Awesome. Thank you. And thanks for another awesome video!
Daniel Bartholomew 15 hours ago?
are you using just the toner? that stuff comes in 2 parts, the liquid toner and a powder you mix with it, im only seeing you pour toner out.
Daniel Bartholomew yes it is
"Working on CRTs is generally safe.." David, at least two generations of TV repairmen worked on HUGE cathode ray sets with pretty much zero fatalities. And, if you're old enough, you'll even remember the days when TV guys actually came to your house and fixed sets whilst squatting awkwardly in difficult corners of your living room. Safely. It's all a matter of training and respect for danger. Like avoiding big charged capacitors and the tube's EHT supply. Here in the UK, the professional electric group that consistently records NO fatalities is the one that services, installs and repairs super-high voltage transmission lines. Two million volts HVDC isn't very forgiving. Most deaths happen with corner-cutting factory electricians working on 440v three phase systems. Even with the stupidity of the average citizen, the lower voltage domestic 240v kills remarkably few.
Absolute Bollocks.
230VAC will kill you very, VERY dead if you hook yourself to it the "right" way.
@@RogerBarraud he never said that 240v wouldnt kill you dumbass
How to know you're a geek: "I just grabbed a spare price of sheet aluminum I had laying around."
Or an engineer more likely I know dozens of geeks who don’t have scrap metal laying about
You sir are a genius. I was using an SE in 1990 with a 19-inch external monitor. It was amusing to see someone's look of amazement and wonder when they first laid eyes on Aldus PageMaker on the big grayscale monitor, doing that desktop publishing thing. "Wow! You can actually see the newspaper page on the screen!"
I don't know why, but this is one of my favorite videos of The 8-Bit Guy.
Macintosh SE: *exists*
Iphone SE: allow me to introduce myself
Didn't see you wearing a Commodore shirt during the C128 video :(
I have one.. but it was in the laundry on that day.
"Gutter, what is this? You're wearing the shirt of the band you're going to see? Don't be that guy!"
The 8-Bit Guy Hey the8-bitguy I have a FloppyEmu like you described at the end of your video. If you would like to borrow it to test out your Macintosh SE or for later videos, I am willing to send it to you as long as you pay for shipping and return it back to me when you're finished.
wingracer 16 PCU quote, very nice.
I quote that movie constantly. Especially back when I lived with a double music major. Anytime I recognized a piece of music that she didn't, I would have to break out the "you are aware that there was music made before 1989? You're a music major" line on her.
And then or course there's:
MEAT TOSSER!
Hey Butlicks. Remember me?
uhh, I didn't exhale.
And the all time greatest line ever:
"Could you blow me where the pampers is?"
"She knows, she knows"
Macintosh SE...that explains the iPhone SE
Second Edition?
iPhone: SE = Special Edition.
Macintosh: SE = System Expansion.
Windows 98 SE
Windows 98 SE = Windows 98 Second Edition
Sexual Erection
I grew up using these computers. It’s good seeing them again.
I own an SE myself. Got it off eBay for $75 shipped a couple years ago. It came with a surprise...An Ethernet card!
I'd like to say I still have the card, but I ended up trading it to someone to obtain a SCSI hard-drive. Mine did not come with one and one someone offered to me for free turned out to be a dead drive. :(
Anyways, I ended up also getting 2 Zip drives. One printer port one for PC and one SCSI one. These are a god send if you want to send anything large over to your SE! I'd recommend going this route if you haven't already. There is software for PC that can format zip disks to what the SE can use. Granted you'd need a newer USB based zip drive if you want to do this on more modern hardware, but I happen to have a couple older PCs so not an issue. :P
I went with getting a real SCSI drive for my machine mainly to keep it original. I like the sound it makes with that old drive spinning up inside. Plus the SD/SCSI adapters are still out of my price range anyways. My SE had a SuperDrive floppy drive, so using that for small things between my PCs. But I still got the zip drives to handle large stuff. :D
I wish to own a SE/30 at some point too. They were the best all-in-ones Apple made before they transitioned over to color CRTs and such (As for best color all-in-ones. Anything that used a Trinitron is on my favorite list. ;) ).
The Macintosh Classic and Classic II are just gimped versions of the SE and SE/30.
As for your Mac not booting up correctly on a preformatted SD. Could try slimming down the extensions that are booting up on that OS install. Might be something on there causing issues. I recall there is a key you can hold down on boot to boot without extensions .Shift I think? Actually been awhile since I had to do that. You could try that as a quick test to see if it's just the config of the OS that's the issue.
Also try a different cable. Though I think that's already been suggested before.
I have yet to hear about a SE mobo that needs new caps (The SE/30 and newer machines certainly need recapped though). But definitely think about replacing caps in the analog board/power supply. ;)
:bangs fists on table:
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Nice video! Just a quick tip though; you might want to install System 6 instead of System 7. Don't get me wrong, System 7 is great on a Performa or something like that, but for one of the "tosters" as I like to call them, it's just too slow. If you check the system resources in the apple icon, you'll find that the OS alone takes up over 75% of ram! I have three of these set up in a network for occasional Bolo matches, and it simply wasn't possible with System 7.
What are "Bolo matches"?
Bolo is an old macintosh game that allowed players to connect to each other through a network, or in my case local talk.
Why do you call them "tosters"?
old macs sort of look like tosters
Mikemike690 The problem is that these old macs have very limited ram available. I maxed mine out in terms of ram and still had the issue with System 7
I know you probably thought of this but does the SD 2 scsi card terminate the bus correctly?
Unless it's built to daisy-chain more devices, it certainly should be made to terminate the bus.
I plugged it on, inserted the floppy(3.5") and it worked well. A keyboard and mouse. A great deal. My entree into Macs. 7.5 OS
Mr. Murray
Thank you for this video. The SCSI bus scuttlebutt was especially interesting.
I love your restore videos
3:08 Don't forget the Sega Genesis!
Yep! I guess that list was referring only to home PCs....
Try checking the SD card wright protection switch
I think it would have been pretty hard to copy that whole 1 GB image over to the SD card if the write protect had been on, don't you?
The 8-Bit Guy Good point well something like that has happened to me so...
Sorry, I was kind of annoyed because your post was like the 4th or 5th one I had read telling me to check the write protect. I guess you were the lucky one I blurted out at.
Its okay
Try another sd card, i've heard of issuse with sd cards because they were going bad ...
This has got to be the most enjoyable thing to watch on the Internet
Glad you mentioned the CRT. Those things can pack quite a wallop.