Think some people are missing the point when I say “it’s just a video game”. What I mean is that people were all “it’s just a video game” UNTIL Saturday evening when it suddenly became Suzuka 1989 2.0. I’m taking the piss here. 😂
I think a lot of people's view is that it's not just a video game when it's being pushed as the alternative whilst there can't be any real races for fans to watch
Racing is just going around in circles. Football is just kicking a ball. Cricket is just hitting a smaller ball with a wooden plank. Everything is stupid if you break it down like that. All sport is just a game by that logic. Racing exist because of sponsors. And marketing. All sports use that sponsors and marketing. Do you know why we have max verstappen - because an Austrian energy drinks company wants a 200mph hoarding your promote its products. The same was involved in this series admittedly to a different level. It was live on many places and television. People invested time and money. Preparing strategy and buying SIM equipment. Now let’s leave all that behind, even behind closed door if someone intends to ruin something that hold some value to you and none to them, admits to that intent. Ruins that thing. And said he didn’t mean to. That guy is a proper dysfunctional jerk. And will be everywhere. Now let’s bring back sponsors. Money. Champion. Professionalism. And sportsmanship. - if someone in public lime light, winner of the sport (which is just a game) does cheat and lie. That’s a whole new level of disgusting behaviour. Pathetic human.
Pags was mad because Lando made a reckless move that took Pags out of a shot at the win. He was just treating Lando how he felt Lando had treated him. I still think it was a stupid move on Pagenaud’s part, but idk where all this “He’s just mad a non-IndyCar driver was going to win” stuff is coming from.
I think it comes down to the fact that Pagenaud and Ferucci deliberately wanted to cause their respective wrecks. In a situation where Norris and Askew joined in to have a good clean race amongst colleagues from the world of motorsport you don't expect them to turn childish and take you out with the justification being because "ir's just a videogame". In the other races where there are lots of wrecks it's been down to drivers making mistakes. Here it was down to two drivers throwing their toys out of the pram and it's not a good look.
In the TV broadcast, Ferucci was interviewed and apologized saying it was all his fault he meant to just get close to him to slow him a little by spooking him but the car just let go from the tire model. He said he shouldn't have even made the move. At least he apologized about it, not that I agree with his past actions
@@Koopzilla24 If he's apologized for it and admitted fault then benefit of the doubt can be given on this occasion. Pagenaud though has just been an ass.
Heksu99 to me that was in reference to that he doesn’t regret going for the win. He says to his spotter and others “I tried” multiple times which comes off to me as an ‘I tried to do what I can to go for the win and it went wrong but I don’t regret it.’ The main thing is as stated in this video many drivers were taking it as “it’s just a game. Just for fun.” And Ferucci was having fun going for a move he “wouldn’t attempt in a real car” in the game and it went very poorly but was laughed off since it’s just a game for them. I can’t really condemn someone for taking a risk and making a mistake having fun when there’s no malicious intent.
@@Koopzilla24 Did you see the replay? It sure looked like Ferucci just crashed into someone on purpose on the very last lap just yards away from the finish line.
Nah. Depends. If you're in a lobby with your mates and you know beforehand that it's gonna be cocking about, than help yourself. In lobbies broadcasted worldwide, I'm with you though.
One word: “Professionalism”. Doesn’t matter if it’s real or not, anything on the line or not. There is no reason to ruin somebody’s race. Then anything done on the track should be left on the track, real or not. True to any sport and even esport.
Lando going 3 wide into turn 1 and taking out Pagenaud: "It's just a game". Lando getting crashed by Pagenaud: "Look at this unprofessional driver ruining my pilot's race".
@@EternalLeg85 except lando does not touch him or the car in the middle the 2nd car freaks out jukes up the track and hits pag. Fuck Pag for being such an ass that he thinks he could get away with planning to take lando out, having his spotter call out the distance, and then claim " I was going to the pits.. .AFTER he had just PITTED AND QUICK REPAIRED...... BS dont lie to my face, especially when you are dumb enough to not kill your stream mic while planning to take someone else out in a televised event. the IRL 500 3 wide is a no no ON MOST LAPS - White flag its game time. In the eye of virtual racing ( Including the power of these rigs due to direct drive steering wheels, that was not a dirty , or LATE move. ) Should he do that at Indy.... its the last lap. if he went three wide on the FIRST lap then F Noris...... its the white flag lap, everyone would have and should have gone for that gap. it was big enough for a school bus.
@@ADAKAR83 WTF? Real drivers think theyre som much better and looks down on anything below them. Sim racing as a comunity is one of the best and as a example people dont pay hundreds of dollars on setup and 50$ a year pluss each track and each car if they aint taking it seriously. The fact that we take it serioulsy makes us race seriously and we might even have just as good (if not better) racing as in real life! Thats because more people can afford to enter and get good.
@@Bullshit_Media Not all real drivers think that way. Just Lando and Max and a few others. :) Dennis Lind, Federico Leo, Scott Andwrews, Nick Foster will all race you cleanly, thats just to name a few. But just like Pagenaud if you pull a bullshit move on them and their race is over, you better believe they'll make you pay for it, cos live stewarding in simracing is badly wanting.
@@flammenjc Well that fair enough :D Yes thats true the ones that you hear about is the ones who isnt taking it seriously because thats why you hear about them... Hei, er du norsk? :)
I feel like in the vain of “taking it too seriously” Simon should’ve just left Lando alone, considering again, it’s just a video game. Even if it isn’t real, sportsmanship should still be practiced
Salty American Racer! Taking out a Formula One driver! And what makes it worse for me... Norris is British, guess what’s my nationality? Also Britain, Pagenaud should have kept his nerve and not acted like a salty prat! That move could injured people if were in the real world! Maybe even killed... (if it was in reality, but it isn’t and drivers in the games are practically invincible anyway)
While I do realise it's not real and there is nothing on the table, you want, as the viewer, the drivers taking part taking it seriously. Going back on track to eliminate another driver is very frowned upon in real life, and it shows the character of those drivers, even if there is nothing at stake. The F1 organized E-race at Azerbeijan seemed to be a shitshow as well, which some E-drivers became frustrated about since the proper F1 drivers didnt take it seriously whatsoever. For the viewer it was appalling to watch, and it was broadcast by Sky Sports on the telly for crying out loud!
GigglingChinchilla The F1 drivers were also acting really cliquey and weren’t at all inclusive of the sim racers. I was watching Jimmy Broadbent’s stream and it was really sad to watch, because they just kept changing the format, as well as not listening to anyone but their buddies.
@@jeffreytam7684 We were watching the same stream then. Yeah, you'd say people like Jimmer and Tiamadmarduk would know a bit more about the F1 2019 game, but LeClerc and Norris behaved like they owned the place. Also causing the carnage of the Spa qualifying , which was even more of a farce than Monza 2019.
@Joel Schembri I agree with that in this instance but it's still very annoying to be taken out, like you don't pay £10 a month for a game to get taken out every race.
@@simonz5905 except PAG WRECKED HIMSELF. Noris dever touches car 2. Car 2 jukes like they are trying to miss a damn bunny and punt Pag. Again not a spec of Mclaren Paint on anyones elses chasis. THAT MOVE made during the last lap of the IRL 500 would have been hailed as one of the greatest of all time. It was clean , it was Way early- it was Turn 2 by the way people FFS. This happened between the short chute and turn 2. - Noris got a much better run out of 1 hence the reason he could position the car there. Dive bombing turn one is just bad, turn two is a far more technical corner. Noris drove professionally. So many other showed their cracks in personality, intyegrity and mindset.
I think it comes down to professionalism. Yes it's a video game and you can have fun, but its one thing when an opponent makes a mistake that is a detriment to you, and another when they intentionally try to screw you over. It is mean spirited and ruins the fun atmosphere.
You're right about that, but I don't think he was saying it was ok for the drivers to do what they did (he did suggest that drivers behave better), rather that fans need to chill out about it, because while it may not be ok to do, it may ruin the fun, it is still a game at the end of the day. I think you have the right attitude about it but alot of people are so angry they want the drivers to get actual fines which I think is just ridiculous given the above context.
@@jamesshives5679 Fans are CRAVING racing. This is all they have. Of COURSE they're going to be bent up and extreme about it. "Be careful, Preston: you're treading on my dreams."
Before that race the Indy series was much more serious than some other series with pro drivers and also a revenge kill is worse than getting your elbows out.
The underlying factor is, is that it just wasn't a cool thing to do. People watch those races to see the world's best drivers race and not treat it like they're 11 year olds on an open lobby. But on the other hand it is just a game at the end of the day and it will be forgotten in a few months.
What rift? Think it exists in your head. We have a tendency to watch different motorsport largely because the US is a very inward looking nation. Don't think that means there is a rift they just like ovals quite alot and well the rest of the world mostly doesn't.
It may only be a quote on quote "video game", but you still need a level of professionalism. Especially when the race was being broadcasted live on Sky Sports & NBC Sports. I'm a huge Lando fan, would I call myself a fanboy? To an extent, but it doesn't mean I won't criticize when needs be. What Pagenaud did in either reality or virtually was wrong. And as for Ferucci, well quite frankly he shouldn't be anywhere near a race car at this point.
I agree completely. These races are the closest we get to real races these days so there is huge viewership. A lot of time went into making this event and setting everything up. Lando had a team constantly helping him with strategy and setup and to be taken out by someone being so childish after hours and hours of prep time to have a good race. Iracing is meant to be the leaders in online simracing and people pay an absolute fortune just to play it, if this was in a normal iracing race he would be banned. "the cars may not be real but the racing is" is the general motto for sim racing. Pagenaud and Ferucci made a mockery of everyones hard work and it was quite pathetic
@@gamerageandhobbyrcdu bullying his teammate and racially abusing him, trying to get MAGA on his car, crashing into teammate after the end of the race... yes, Santino, like Ticktum, shouldn't be anywhere near a race car
Exactly! Once you have tens of thousands of viewers who are invested into the race it's different. Sure the argument of it being just a videogame holds up if it's not taken seriously by anyone, but it's presented as a competition to the fans so this must be upheld by the drivers.
Going into the event, nearly everyone expected serious racing, in which retaliation has no place. If the event wasn’t set out to be as serious, such behaviour wold simply be seen as unsportsmanlike, but in this case, being very unsportsmanlike in such a fashion just doesn’t fit. But, because nothing was actually on the line in this race, such as points or money, an extreme reaction by fans is not warranted.
Correction: Scott McLaughlin was scheduled to do up to 8 IndyCar races this year before the ‘rona, and he’ll most likely still race this year still, so I would classify him as an IndyCar driver.
Aidan Millward he did do a testing day at Cota and show up a bunch of series regulars so I would assume they’d be less hostile to him than they would to Lando for showing up and doing well
It was a one race deal but you're right in that all signs were pointing to them trying to add a few more later in the year and McLaughlin looks like he'll first sure be in IndyCar in 2021.
Okay. Let’s address these one by one. All arguments. I’m trying To make it as calm and systematic as possible. 1. Lando’s move on the inside - although not by the Indy race regular move. The move was not illegal by the rules of the so called video game. (Using it because you stressed on this word so much) And that’s why diff drivers from diff series Is a good idea. You see variety in moves. Regardless. Let’s assume it was, at max, a rude manoeuvre. It still doesn’t justify trying to ruin a race. 2. Simon said “let’s take Lando out”. That shows that intent. 3. Esports isn’t for everyone. If it’s not for you. Don’t join. What’s the joy in ruining the race for others. 4. It’s just a video game. - on this, how about this, if it was just a video game why couldn’t Simon take the rude manoeuvre. And still try to race or quit. Whatever. Don’t care. Take the loss. It’s just a VIDEO GAME. Let it go. Grow up. 5. It was an event broadcast everywhere with sponsors and real engineers working hard to bring something for some fans that can enjoy something while “DAT BOI” is out there. So it was a bit more organised that a regular lobby. 6. F1 esports isn’t that great - okay on this subject of f1 esport races. The virtual GP is played with equal respect. Contact is made. But none of them being intentional. Where as when these f1 boys play privately or with TH-cam content creators they punt everyone. 7. In the end - it’s a show of character. A few weeks ago Lando was competing against a youtuber and lost. 1vs1. He took that loss to his face and didn’t punt off people. As you said. Some professionalism. 8. The key word being fun - fun was what happened in #NotTheGP where charles and Cem showed what real fun is. In a race. If you want punting off other kind of fun. There is a game for you. It’s called wreckfest. 😜 I think indy is a great series. And not all indy drivers are as unprofessional. But this sadly defames indy somewhat. I’m just writing to address items spoken about in the video. There is another view point that verstappen, felix dacosta, max chilton and many others echo. Cheers. 👍🏻
To Aiden, it's all lando's fans who are 9 year olds who responds.. Coming from this dude, i cant even take his stupid video serious with his already made up own opinion about the fans. So i wont bother watching the whole video. Apparently Aiden dont understand that the whole esports series is set up for sponsors, teams and even being broadcast on TV. He just want the views on what happend because he's a 30 year old downie that didnt get invited to some big events. He dont understand that Pagenaud was wrong in every single way. IF he was about to crash lando, dont say it just do it. Like Verstappen mentioned. Pagenaud was stupid enough to actually say it and do it and then having a weak acting job saying ''i was about to pit'' Pagenaud (and aiden) forgot that Lando is an indycar rookie. He's a great driver in other series but dont know the rules of indy 500 driving. In fact, if you put any racer. Doesnt matter if it's F1, WEC or other racing drivers.. And you put them in an Indycar without explaining the rules, they would ALL do the same like Lando did. Leave a gap and every race driver will go for it. Even if that means 3 wide.. It's not illegal to do so. And even if it is, it's not justified to ruin his race a lap later. But with Aiden's logic he cant understand that. Aiden actually defending Pagenaud's dirty character with saying 'they are all 9 year old fans'. While the only child was pagenaud with his childish behaviour and lies because he cant man up with his own (wrong)doings. He lied about going to pit, and later on he lied to lando with an apology that he wasnt meant to do that but just slow down a little bla bla''. If you are 35 year old, atleast be a man and grow some balls when you do something stupid. But what can you expect from Aiden if he already made up his mind/opinion and trying to defend Pagenaud.
just to add a level of spice the move that everyone is saying is bad/danegerous... th-cam.com/video/rA7gqSLpZy0/w-d-xo.html&t=349 how interesting seeing it done in real life by none other "our" salty indy driver!
Whilst I think there has definitely been a bit of an over reaction from Lando’s fans, what Simon did was unsporting. It’s like going and smashing up someone’s sand castle that they have spent hours building. Yes they weren’t gunna get any money from it and yes it’s just a sandcastle but it’s still not cool
That woulda been cool if he was just dicking around with the lads in an open lobby, but when you got effing Live TV coverage on the event you partake in... yeah that's a big yikes...
I watched the DTM stream this morning. Absolutely cracking races, door banging, divebombs, bump drafts, the whole deal. There was a couple times where people got spun, but that was just a product of 4 cars being within a 2 second gap at Zolder Nothing malicious, nothing egregious, and some excellent entertainment
Don’t you just love when drivers from other series come to race and they get just absolutely taken out by the indycar regulars? Thanks for making my favorite series look bad! I’m talking to you Will, Simon and Santino
I can't say I agree with your points. When it's /professional/ drivers, being sponsored and presented by/on behalf of their sanctioning bodies, and being aired on live television with all the production value of an actual race... sure, we can give them a /little/ slack for things like netcode and the like, but I don't know any racing series that would tolerate one driver deliberately wrecking another driver--much less the /race leader/--in an event. Let alone it happening /twice/.
I’ve seen better behaviour on GTA Online than I’ve heard about in iRacing recently. And that’s a game where you’re meant to kill each other with any weapon or vehicle imaginable.
They're professional drivers with sponsors who put real money on their cars, so they should act professionally, moreso when the race is being broadcasted to thousands and has a sense of oficiallity to it. The shitshow that went on in the final laps of the race was pathetic, and I think that there should be consequences from either their employers or the organizers, but I doubt anything will happen knowing who's been involved. Anyway, it was a big shame because up to that point I'd been pretty impressed whit the quality of the races throughout the season.
Bubba said “this is why I don’t take this shit seriously” after someone pushed him into the wall when he was trying to pass. Some how he got the negative attention instead of the guy who intentionally wrecked him out of the race.
votekyle3000 seriously fuck Blue Emu, that was the most unprofessional way to handle that situation. Bubba did not deserved to be dragged like that by his sponsor publicly.
Of the three main incidents that was simply racing there was nothing deliberate about it it was very unfortunate though, Pagenaud on Lando was 'teaching a lesson' in his mind there was justification, Ferrucci was just a dick had that been Lando rather than Askew then he would probably be under police protection right now.
When I was watching it I was thinking OMG this is the best race I've ever seen, and I still think that. In the heat of the moment I didn't care about blame on either side, I was just screaming at the TV at all the last second drama, so much so you'd be forgiven for thinking I had dat boi. Afterwards I saw Pagenaud did it intentionally and Ferrucci was trying to rub wheels so Ericsson would slow down, and my response is "bit of a dick move" and "that's not how anything works" respectively, but I can see the side where Pagenaud's thinking: "it's just a bit of fun, revenge is fun, go on let's get him," but we're in this, albeit temporary, bubble where simracing holds the same or similar importance to real life racing, so that sort of thinking doesn't work now, there will be real life consequences. These real life consequences luckily aren't injury as would have certainly happened in some of the crashes in that race, but public judgement on social media and in the news; the incident has made the news worldwide, it's insane! At the end of the day, it is just a video game, but when real life doesn't exist, it's the best we've got, so we role play to make it feel real. And I'm loving every minute of it.
There's a HUGE, GIGANTIC difference between a fun session in rFactor, whatever the hell F1 is doing at the codemaster's game and an actual, televised iRacing Indycar challenge. There absolutely ARE higher standard to be held on the latter. I don't see how anyone could put the three as the same thing. Their punting is way more serious then any punting in the other 2 types of event. It's obvious.
9 Years Old?! I'm a Lando Fan and I am 69! How dare you....but you were kidding, right?? Lando is refreshing and talented. The way his race was ended ruined a great finish and spoilt the entertainment too. Lando's move was clean and there was room for 3 cars. Indy "unwritten rules & understandings" or not.
I think for me it's mostly depending on the occasion. If an event is serious like this one I do expect people to take it seriously. It is of course still a videogame so I definitely think moves on the risky side should have a place even in the serious events but taking out another player for no reason is something you should only do when you're dicking around with friends.
I've been trying to get into the sim racing , but for me it just ain't been scratching that itch. It doesn't feel the same to me. Despite that, I was actually enjoying the sim race at Indianapolis yesterday. At least until the end. When everyone just started crashing all over the place. If the driver's taking part aren't going to take it seriously, then neither am I.
Gotta disagree Aiden, the move Noris made was fair. He was beside him and never made contact. That said, all of these drivers have sponsors watching and need to behave professionally. If they cant,they should put their hands up for the races.
Josef Newgarden has been a level head, getting into the game but not getting heated over the frustrations either. Great to see you getting invited into events. :)
The Gist of the video: Yes there was an intentional hit job in a broadcasted Indy 500 race with pro drivers... And people are only upset about it because we're all 9 years old. Hoping for a better thought out script next time.
Pagenaud's act was disrespectful toward everyone in any way invested on it: the other driver(s), sponsors, and most important, the audience. Saying "who cares, it's just a video game" is almost as (overly) reductive and simplistic as saying "who cares, it's just cars driving in circles" (real or virtual). Sure, in the real world stakes would be much higher because of the safety implications, but the lack of respect towards others invested on it applies to both. And if the implication is that it's dumb to be invested on the former, why would it not be to be invested on the latter (other than personal preference)?
Telling Lando fans to calm down is like saying a Ferrari strategy joke while sitting at the Italian Grand Prix grandstand. They will kill you. I mean these guys get pissed when lando gas a engine failure. They go into the f1 livestreams of classic races and ask where is lando. It's ridiculous. Lando is a great guy I'm sure and I'm not trying to slight him. but anytime you say anything wrong about lando these fans will kill you.
@@whoasked9500 I have felt that Lando acting like he needs a babysitter in every virtual event has been a bit more of a disgrace but to each their own.
Here’s my take. I live in Indy, and for most Indycar fans this has been really fun. In my opinion their broadcast and coverage of this online series is second to only NASCAR (which I haven’t been a fan of since the early 2000’s). I love F1 but their little E-series thing has been an absolute joke. Today’s race was the only good one. Back on topic, this is a live broadcast on television with thousands, if not millions (counting internet streams and Lando fans lol) with most everyone taking it seriously. Penske has engineers and spotters since the beginning, race strategists, lots and lots of practice, lots of sponsors jumping on board to support this thing. This was meant to be the major finale to this “season” of online racing and to have your defending Indy champion decide to take out someone, because “they are too damn fast”... his words not mine (probably didn’t want him to win two weeks in a row either). I’m not fans of either so I can be impartial here. During this pandemic I’ve been rewatching a ton of Indycar and indy500’s and let me tell you with 10 laps to go, you see passes like that all the time. It’s do or die at that point. If Pagenaud should be mad at anyone it should be himself. He hung around the outside on turn one (fine) but as soon as Lando got a great exit out of one, kept the inside line and went under Rahal (left room), Pagenaud should have backed out and looked to set something up down the back straight. So... his childish reaction to it should have maybe been directed inward. Ok with that out of the way, I understand the “video game” agreement but Pagenaud has certainly been taking this very seriously since it’s started. Won too. I think with Ferrucci and Pagenaud it just came down to that fiery competitiveness that can easily bleed over to sore loser (for some) and they let that flag fly because they knew they could. Which is a shame because they robbed the audience of the authenticity of the event. Up until that point, all the races were treated like the real thing. That’s the problem I have. Which there is no money in it, you’re representing your sponsors, your team and your series who do pay you for turning a wheel and in this case, having some fun too. I also know how Indycar vets treat newcomers and rookies and they scold and scorn every little move that they themselves have done many times over and claim “they are gonna kill someone out here”. They don’t like getting beat at their own game and certainly not at Indy, not a 20 year old Brit from F1.
It would be video game if it would be some random noob on open lobbby in skip Barber race. This was brodcast official event for mass audience and its NO LONGER 'Just video game' period
Out of the box: As always people overreact especially when everybodys darling got killed, *BUT* if you didn't want to race properly let everybody agree that it's going to be shit and giggles for content and then do that, no half of the grid try harding, the other faffing around. I have no problem with the The Race race being mostly shit and giggles, the same way i wouldn't have a problem if they would be on Wreckfest and take themselves out like it was during Jimmers youtube all-star mushroom cup. And if you want to race properly there you you have your virtual Indy 500 and there you go. Cause my personal problem is that, i'm geniuenly starved of all forms of racing and sports and seeing a proper race on TV with the feel being as close to the real thing was great and then the last 5 laps happened where people decide: nah we're to serious over here let's wreck ourselves. Also: For some people in those events it was their highlight of the month and then you get destroyed cause some twat didn't take it seriously (here: Aamir "Cyanide" in the F1 Bahrain eprix, where he practiced for a whole week, to be taken out at the hairpin on lap 1 and cause he was last and not as famous as others, so he wasn't invited again)
I think indy should just not invite him to the next race and then a bit of backlash will have died down. People on twitter didnt agree with the executive and they raised some valid points, the big one being that in iracings terms and conditions they say all reprimands are still in place for private leagues and that they were just saying that so they didnt have to ban him controversially
The it's just a video game statement (and I mean in general) is a really imprecise statement. I mean the World Cup is just a game, we take it very seriously. Stanley Cup Finals is just a game. It's all simply about perspective, a game can be very important to someone and mean nothing to someone else. I mean take this into another avenue, your dog dies, it's just a dog. Your GF/BF dumps you, it's just a relationship. If it's a serious event then it's a serious event and you are agreeing to be in it. There is some money in play, sponsors being represented and such. In short Pagenaud is a dick but being outraged about it is probably going too far, but it can be understood I suppose.
I think you are wrong in thinking that the fact that Lando was the one being taken out makes this controversial. Ferrucci and Pagenaud behaviour was just trashy.
The "Virtual" races have been organised by teams from the actual sports organisers and supported by real sponsors and broadcast worldwide as an alternative to fans during a global pandemic. These races are on our screens because of the efforts and hard work of a lot of people. Fans are tuning in to watch the real drivers representing their real teams, with sponsors on the car and reputations at stake. I think they should have the respect to take these races seriously.
I've been working in the eSports business for 18 years, it's my life, my carreer, it pays my bills. So, when I see people saying "it's just a video game", it's sounds exactly like my grampa speaking. Sportmanship is important in any area, and if iracing continue to have more real drivers running on eSports, we might see sponsors toughening contracts to avoid those kind of behavior. In F1, FIA, drivers and teams had to make agreements about twitch lives, for example, this is the future, where the new fans are. Those fans can be real important to Indy or F1. It's like an opportunity for everybody. But we will aways have people like Pagenaud selfish enough to think that everything is fun. These kind of "player" won't last anyway. I still don't know how come he is still a professional driver with this mindset. It's important to say that the eSports industry will never need the help of any real driver to survive, as we never needed soccer teams or any sports franchise in order to have competitions.
make yourself a real race driver, and you join this e-sports with a professional set of rules, and then you messed up someone's race on purpose. well congratulations, you just made yourself untrustworthy to race with in real life, because such manner could actually happen too in real racing.
As an ex karting driver(10 years experience, won a few races, a nation cup, raced abroad etc) I can say that for serious racing drivers, real or sim, it is hard to take a notch back from trying your best when you have competition to win or trying just to relax, play a few races, drive some practice etc. You will always have the mentality to find more tenths off of sectors/overall time because going faster and succeeding in it is relaxing especially when you can see/know your own time and the other drivers. Failing in it just eats you inside whatever the mentality was beforehand. From leading that I want to say, the whole world disappears when the race is on, it's only you and the guy/guys you see/hear in front and behind you, race becomes a one of many and you are trying your best in it, there is no serious or just for entertainment races. It's all the same in the race from drivers perspective, giving your best and not giving an inch back. irl or just a videogame. Serious or just for fun. For example F1 for Kimi might be just like a hobby at this point but have you seen him happy when he doesn't win? Or anybody else when they don't succeed at their task given to them? Mentality of the races is to win them, silver will always be shame.
What I'm realizing is that these "professional" drivers don't have respect for the platform. The cars aren't real, so they just think "video game". What they don't realize is that this isn't Need for Speed or MarioKart. The competition is real. The platform is built to simulate pure motorsport. There's no way to convince them not to think of it as "just a game", though, not the ones who don't care. And for that, I've lost a lot of respect for a lot of drivers over the past month and a half. I love all motorsport, real or virtual. If I tune in, I want to see good, clean racing. If I wanted to watch people run into each other, I'd just spectate races on Forza.
I'm not a "Lando Fan" and I am definitively not 9 years old. But of all takes i've read or heard in the past couple of days, this is by far the worst one. -The first responders who were in full dress uniform singing the national anthem took it seriously. -The sponsors who poured money into the event took it seriously. -NBC and SkySports took it seriously, enough for them to broadcast it on TV. -The drivers who spent thousands of dollars buildings rigs to be competitive, and practicing for hours took it seriously. Some, including Pagenaud, were even wearing full racing suit and gloves. -And the viewers who tuned in took it seriously, otherwise they wouldn't have have tuned in. Whether we like it or not, sim racing is the new grass roots of motorsport. It's the first point of contact with the sport for not only the next generation of fans, but even for future drivers. This was a great opportunity to showcase the sport to a new generation of young viewers, and instead all they say was a couple of clowns behaving like children.
Frankly as a F1 fan and iracing driver I only watched these Indycar events because they were treated seriously and had up that point made me more interested in Indycar and the drivers in general. Seeing them disrespect it and act like sore losers was not a good advertisement for Indycar. They knew this was being treated differently than those other events you mentioned.
It may be "Just a game" but if you did that to your friends, you're not getting invited back and you'll be lucky if that's the extent of it. It was unacceptable, plain and simple.
@@TheNFSJacob I don't see how any driver doing it excuses another driver from ridicule. If you're just goofing off with friends, who cares, but when you're doing a globally televised event you'd expect a bit more professionalism regardless of who you are.
4:46 that's reference from v8 supercares it's a classic I remember in 2010 on Sunday the first week of December that's race so well it's chaotic and entertaining
I still remember playing the full 500-miler at Daytona on Nascar 2004 on PS2 with someone else. We both got caught in The Big One early on, so we got to work together to get our lost laps back. Until the last lap, when I was second and he was first, and I decided to do the PIT maneuver on him to take the 500. Suffice to say, he does not trust me in racing games ever again.
So, I thinks there's a couple layers to it. There very well might be an anti-McLaren sentiment in IndyCar after they came in and fucked over James Hinchcliffe, who is very tightly woven into the drivers circle. One of the McLaren's, I think it was Askew, crashed 2 of the Penske cars who were battling for the lead late in the Motegi race while trying to unlap himself. And I know all week in the practices the IndyCar guys were frustrated with how a lot of the rookies and outsiders who hadn't raced at Indy before were driving. So when Norris pulled an absolutely no-no move on Rahal and Pagenaud going for the lead, that put Pagenaud over the top obviously, and then you had a McLaren 1-2-3. Simon took out Norris. Then on the last lap Marcus Ericsson pulled off an awesome 3 wide move down the backstretch to pass the McLarens for the lead. Well played Marcus. But O'Ward responded by completely taking Marcus out in turn 4, which handed the lead to Askew's teammate who had already altered a race by being stupid himself. So what I think happened was Santino found himself with a run, and when he realized he couldn't get there he just said "yeah a McLaren isn't winning this," and that's what I believe that was. I don't think anyone is right or wrong. As a big sim racer myself, I've seen how all this stuff goes and nothing here surprises me. It went the way of 90% most of the leagues that people try to organize on sim servers around the world. The Norris fans are funny because they have never watched an open wheel oval race and have no idea what Norris did to set him off in the first place. But all of this is just realistic cause and effect to me. The shoe fits everyone lol.
It's "just a videogame" until you have thousands of live viewers that got what they thought would be an exciting, competetive race intentionally ruined.
If anyone is angry about this they should go and listen too the live radio from nascar races where drivers openly talk about wrecking others and often do it.
Yeah, but that's part of the culture of NASCAR. It's generally expected that the other drivers are going to try to punt you a bit. Doesn't make it cool in Formula 1 or Indycar.
That's quite different. You can get away with a little contact in a stock car. Those cars handle hustling very well and it's practically inevitable at the shorter tracks. Not so in open wheel cars which are much faster, can't take a beating as well, and generally aren't as tightly packed.
Intentionally taking somebody out is against iRacing’s sporting code. He clearly breaks the rules and ruins, not only Lando’s race, but a bunch of people’s races. Just because it’s a video game, doesn’t mean he gets to break the rules, regardless of the game.
Didn't see the race, but it sounds like something if it was all in one room over Mariokart or Forza, everyone'd be laughing until faces hurt - Pagenaud & Ferruci scrapping, Lando sees a gap & makes it big enough by knocking the other two out the way. 'Cheeky shit! I'll get you for that' Only now there's a live audience, the cameras are on & everyone's taking it a bit too seriously. It takes me back to a clip from 2018 where Vettel [pretty damn eloquently] told an interviewer to 'stop trying to create a story' between 2 drivers battling hard & swearing over radio. (Obviously the Larson thing was... A thoroughly different thing, for obvious reasons) Also, pretty sweet aside - one of the iRacing driver challenges, you've got Emerson Fittipaldi racing. Dude in his 70's trying to keep up with Montoya, Button and Villeneuve (who races on a joypad because Why the hell not)... That was cool to see.
The basics of every game is to play it fair. If you can't, don't play it. That people react in a negative way to people who don't, is to me understandable. Compare it when someone jumps a queue, people will address you for it. Shame this video maker didn't get that part.
Well if a series sanctions a series of events get the NBC TV team in, broadcast it on 'normal' TV with sponsors and all it is kind of serious,. For F1 they've gone for a mess around format (celebs, no damage etc.) and frankly they don't need the exposure anywhere near as much as Indycar. Now is a time for other series to put themselves (and their sponsors) in the shop window thus you had such a big turnout of regular drivers. Now maybe all publicity is good publicity but yesterday for someone who watches probably far too much motorsport, it was just embarrassing and frustrating that you've sat through an entire race for a couple of drivers to act like morons and 'spoil' the finish.
@@flatoutflatbroke Same, NASCAR and Indycar need to get their acts together, as they've both been the center of bad media in the past month or two due to these events. Utterly ridiculous. F1 knows what they're doing.
Well the intent is to simulate a race, so as you would take things seriously irl so you should in the sim. If the drivers aren't interested in doing that, that's fine, they could go play some arcade singleplayer games
What if I told you it IS just a video game....but it's also something people take seriously and put hours and hours of practice in to? They aren't mutually exclusive things. Yes, it's a video game, no one is likely going to end up hurt in a crash, no money is lost. That doesn't invalidate that for a lot of people, me included, it's a serious hobby. We've spent serious money on gear and serious time on practice. So when this kind of stuff happens, at any level, it doesn't really matter if it's real or a game. People's time is still being wasted so some knob can get his jollies for a couple of minutes. Sometimes that knob is a nobody weekend warrior, sometimes it's an IndyCar champ. Yes, it's a video game...I don't think that precludes people expecting others to act with some modicum of sportsmanship.
I think my take is that the F1 game, and more "arcade" racing games, the "it's just a game" line is fair - however the perspective I have is that iRacing and the fact this was meant to be a professional replacement for the Indy race mean it isn't "just a game", there's a level of professionalism that is expected, people were watching this for the racing and not to see drivers taking each other out
Honest question, was Lando's move really /that/ impossible to work like what many people are suggesting it to be, or is it just an unconventional move that would have worked if the other driver(s) did not react that way (or if the game didn't have that netcode issue)? If it's the former, then we can put partial blame to Lando for doing a stupid move that initiated a series of bad events. If it's the latter, then we can't really blame him at all for doing what he knows is doable from his experience in the game and real life, and it all came down to how the game worked and how the other drivers reacted. Eitherway, the way Simon reacted towards the incident is completely unnecessary and has caused unnecessary drama.
It is just a video game, but should be taken professionally by these drivers when it's a main-stage event such as F1's 'Virtual GP' series or the Indycar races that are done by invitational. Pagenaud is sitting on a sim rig, that he probably didn't have before dat boi came along, in a race suit with a camera on his face. He should know more than well enough not to ruin the tight contest being enjoyed by tens of thousands of people.
Pagenaud was as professional in this race as Ferrucci was in F2 at Trident. Which is telling because Ferrucci apologised to Askew in social media after this race. Intentional acts of sabotage are extremely unprofessional. Doubly so if the excuse is "its just a game". Especially for a game thats broadcast on NBC proper and involves First Responders. Minimising the outrage to "Lando's fans are children" says that you think its OK to actively target and sabotage someone else because you expect backlash to come from nerdy gamer whiners. As opposed to expecting a professional driver to be professional in their attitude.
The thing is... If it's just a video game then we can excuse every kind of behavior (for example Ferrucci used this excuse when Askew asked him what was that finish). So then what's the point of racing on iracing ? Let's just make wreckfest or mario kart e sport if people don't want to take it seriously. I'm upset against Simon because he acted like a 13 yo rage boy while he's 35, has won the Indy 500, and is one of the main top drivers of the series. Crashing into F1's fan favourite boi just brought elitism and toxicity from some F1 fans that I've never asked for. I don't watch F1 esports, "the race" competition on Rf2, or Formula E e sports especially because generally these races are quite messy. I really enjoyed a lot Indy e sport because it felt like that everyone was treating it very seriously. Like every real drivers were on the grid, they had to work with their real engineer and spotter, the real TV commentators were here too, the whole thing was broadcast on TV. Even the american anthem (which is usually a bit cringey to me as an European) added to the "realism" of the product. And most importantly the racing was really really good. But in the end I'm just disappointed that all these efforts are overshadowed by an useless drama because Simon disconnect his brain at the very last moment of this championship... But meh I guess it's just a video game
If it is just a video game tell that to Pagenaud and Ferruci. They should accept how their races went and move on. Not get rage face and crash into people on purpose
The reaction to this has been a bit to over the top, people belittling simons career and saying hes just a salty indycar driver is just stupid. I get the it's just a video game argument as at the end of the outcome of the race has no real world implications and causing a crash doesn't hurt anyone. These races are supposed to be just entertainment and some fun while we wait for real world racing to resume but the drivers have to remember that lots of people watch these races to see good racing so purposely crashing someone out because "it's just a game" feels a bit like a middle finger to viewers that were actually enjoying the race and were invested in it. As for santino ferrucci that's probably what he would do in real life so it has nothing to do with the "it's just a game" argument. He's just a bit of a dick.
To be fair in 2000 K-Harvick was parked for doing the same thing in a RL Truck series race so.... Except Harvick said he was going to kill one of the Gibbs drivers, IIRC it was Coy Gibbs. Naturally, he got parked for the weekend.
At some point a game changes to a sport. You can't compare the Indycar race to the races you compete in. It's like saying your local Sunday league footy match is just a game, the same as the football World Cup is just a game. Same rules etc so they're both just a game right, but in reality they are not. The Indycar virtual races in my opinion were a sport. They were competitive, the drivers invested 10's of thousands of pounds on their sim rigs, and putting in hours and hours every single day. They had spotters and engineers also spending hours working out strategies. They had commentators and production team to do the high quality production. It was even shown on NBC TV. I'm not sure of the total viewing figures but it probably goes into the 100's of thousands. This is not just a game, it was viewed by so many people and their viewing was ruined by a couple of idiots. I'm not a big Norris fan, I'm just a huge motorsports fan, I was really enjoying the race, at times it was as good as the real thing and it was all ruined by the selfish idiots who really wanted to win but couldn't so in turn decided it was just a game.
I looved the fact the second placed driver of the Indycar race used a Logi g series wheel and a camping chair and a few blocks of wood to hold up his pedals in this age of ultra competitiveness and people spending a fortune on gear,I thought that was magnificent and proves simracing can be enjoyed by anyone,even gamepad users.
I totally missed that as I was doing my practicing for Round 3 of TORA GTCC at Hocken..., but honestly I agree with you. And this is coming from someone that plays Forza a huge amount and has experienced those woes of Public lobbies. (Why I joined TORA since they don't do that crap). But from my viewpoint I fully agree. Hell it's making me like a buddy of mine start a weekly spec racing series that isn't too serious
Good summary and a balanced view. As is so often the case the actual answer is somewhere in the middle of the two extremes. It is 'just a video game' and I have no problem with more aggressive driving and the more common collisions in the sim world than in the real world but deliberately taking someone out who is competing for the win takes it too far. It is just a bit of fun but there is nothing fun about being deliberately taken out by a lapped car. The expectations of the race also come into it. There had been 5 and a half Indycar races in this series which everyone seemed to treat fairly seriously with a few bits of bad driving but nothing on the level of deliberately crashing. It's not fair to suddenly decide it's now a fun crash 'em up halfway through the last race. It's not going to matter long term and everyone will get over it however going forward it's important for each sim series to have some kind of understanding between the competitors about what it is. Is it just a bit of entertainment where anything goes or is it being presented as a proper race where the best driver wins. There is plenty of room for both but it needs to be clear which one it is, especially if you are inviting outside drivers and sponsors into your series.
Lets say that it is "just a video game" where as u said the primary objective is to have fun right? So lets imagine a competitive shooter, if your teammate starts killing you, which is called griefing or being a dick for short, because he is basically tacking away your fun. So what Pagenaud and Ferucci did can only be classified as being absolute dickheads because they deliberately took away the fun aspect of the "Video Game" for some of the other "Players".
What I find frustrating is that basically EVERYONE agrees that what Simon did was a douche move, but the whole debate seems to be about whether or not he should have real life consequences for it for what he did in a virtual race. It blows my mind people actually think he should lose sponsors or be kicked off Penske. Just that alone basically puts me entirely on Simon's 'side' even though I think was he did was shitty.
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Think some people are missing the point when I say “it’s just a video game”. What I mean is that people were all “it’s just a video game” UNTIL Saturday evening when it suddenly became Suzuka 1989 2.0.
I’m taking the piss here. 😂
I think a lot of people's view is that it's not just a video game when it's being pushed as the alternative whilst there can't be any real races for fans to watch
For me, the moment any competitiveness is introduced, it's no longer a video game
I don't really think that's true.
Yeah. It _is_ just a video game, until it becomes an officially sanctioned event with the real drivers and the real sponsors behind it.
Racing is just going around in circles. Football is just kicking a ball. Cricket is just hitting a smaller ball with a wooden plank.
Everything is stupid if you break it down like that. All sport is just a game by that logic.
Racing exist because of sponsors. And marketing. All sports use that sponsors and marketing. Do you know why we have max verstappen - because an Austrian energy drinks company wants a 200mph hoarding your promote its products.
The same was involved in this series admittedly to a different level. It was live on many places and television. People invested time and money. Preparing strategy and buying SIM equipment.
Now let’s leave all that behind, even behind closed door if someone intends to ruin something that hold some value to you and none to them, admits to that intent. Ruins that thing. And said he didn’t mean to. That guy is a proper dysfunctional jerk. And will be everywhere.
Now let’s bring back sponsors. Money. Champion. Professionalism. And sportsmanship. - if someone in public lime light, winner of the sport (which is just a game) does cheat and lie. That’s a whole new level of disgusting behaviour. Pathetic human.
As an Indycar fan it’s really pathetic that Lando is helping make the sport more popular but instead they treat him like shit
Casai couldn’t have said it better myself
I mean, the worst thing you can accuse him of is racing like he's in a video game. You'd think that they'd be able to swallow the rage
He wasn't treated like shit until the white flag lap.
@@AidanMillward Indeed but ending is always something that most people will remember, like with video games or movies.
Pags was mad because Lando made a reckless move that took Pags out of a shot at the win. He was just treating Lando how he felt Lando had treated him. I still think it was a stupid move on Pagenaud’s part, but idk where all this “He’s just mad a non-IndyCar driver was going to win” stuff is coming from.
I think it comes down to the fact that Pagenaud and Ferucci deliberately wanted to cause their respective wrecks. In a situation where Norris and Askew joined in to have a good clean race amongst colleagues from the world of motorsport you don't expect them to turn childish and take you out with the justification being because "ir's just a videogame". In the other races where there are lots of wrecks it's been down to drivers making mistakes. Here it was down to two drivers throwing their toys out of the pram and it's not a good look.
In the TV broadcast, Ferucci was interviewed and apologized saying it was all his fault he meant to just get close to him to slow him a little by spooking him but the car just let go from the tire model. He said he shouldn't have even made the move. At least he apologized about it, not that I agree with his past actions
@@Koopzilla24 If he's apologized for it and admitted fault then benefit of the doubt can be given on this occasion. Pagenaud though has just been an ass.
@@Koopzilla24 You can see on his stream he just drops it to left and says "No regrets"
Heksu99 to me that was in reference to that he doesn’t regret going for the win. He says to his spotter and others “I tried” multiple times which comes off to me as an ‘I tried to do what I can to go for the win and it went wrong but I don’t regret it.’ The main thing is as stated in this video many drivers were taking it as “it’s just a game. Just for fun.” And Ferucci was having fun going for a move he “wouldn’t attempt in a real car” in the game and it went very poorly but was laughed off since it’s just a game for them. I can’t really condemn someone for taking a risk and making a mistake having fun when there’s no malicious intent.
@@Koopzilla24 Did you see the replay? It sure looked like Ferucci just crashed into someone on purpose on the very last lap just yards away from the finish line.
Even if it's just a video game there's no excuse to ruin someone's race with no benefit to you, it's stupid
Nah. Depends. If you're in a lobby with your mates and you know beforehand that it's gonna be cocking about, than help yourself.
In lobbies broadcasted worldwide, I'm with you though.
I bet these dummies will get dragged down a little more every time they get in a real world wreck now.
@@dasraffnix9471 yeah I agree, if it's a serious race that kind of thing shouldn't happen
Lando kind of ruined his race two laps before
It was a revenge
One word: “Professionalism”. Doesn’t matter if it’s real or not, anything on the line or not. There is no reason to ruin somebody’s race. Then anything done on the track should be left on the track, real or not. True to any sport and even esport.
kamil khalili He s turning things around...lando is right...pagenout is a sore loser 😂😂😂😂
Lando going 3 wide into turn 1 and taking out Pagenaud: "It's just a game". Lando getting crashed by Pagenaud: "Look at this unprofessional driver ruining my pilot's race".
@@EternalLeg85 except lando does not touch him or the car in the middle
the 2nd car freaks out jukes up the track and hits pag. Fuck Pag for being such an ass that he thinks he could get away with planning to take lando out, having his spotter call out the distance, and then claim " I was going to the pits.. .AFTER he had just PITTED AND QUICK REPAIRED......
BS dont lie to my face, especially when you are dumb enough to not kill your stream mic while planning to take someone else out in a televised event.
the IRL 500 3 wide is a no no ON MOST LAPS - White flag its game time.
In the eye of virtual racing ( Including the power of these rigs due to direct drive steering wheels, that was not a dirty , or LATE move. )
Should he do that at Indy.... its the last lap. if he went three wide on the FIRST lap then F Noris...... its the white flag lap, everyone would have and should have gone for that gap. it was big enough for a school bus.
Everyone can have their oppinion. I just want fair racing in and outside the track.
Opinion of REAL drivers is the one You SHOULD hear and take for real as it is
@@ADAKAR83 ?
@@ADAKAR83 WTF? Real drivers think theyre som much better and looks down on anything below them. Sim racing as a comunity is one of the best and as a example people dont pay hundreds of dollars on setup and 50$ a year pluss each track and each car if they aint taking it seriously.
The fact that we take it serioulsy makes us race seriously and we might even have just as good (if not better) racing as in real life! Thats because more people can afford to enter and get good.
@@Bullshit_Media Not all real drivers think that way. Just Lando and Max and a few others. :)
Dennis Lind, Federico Leo, Scott Andwrews, Nick Foster will all race you cleanly, thats just to name a few.
But just like Pagenaud if you pull a bullshit move on them and their race is over, you better believe they'll make you pay for it, cos live stewarding in simracing is badly wanting.
@@flammenjc Well that fair enough :D Yes thats true the ones that you hear about is the ones who isnt taking it seriously because thats why you hear about them... Hei, er du norsk? :)
I feel like in the vain of “taking it too seriously” Simon should’ve just left Lando alone, considering again, it’s just a video game. Even if it isn’t real, sportsmanship should still be practiced
CJ Nemetz They should watch the GT Sport videos on sportsmanship. Then they won’t crash each other out, and they’ll have a go kart. Win win
Beep they need to avoid doing things that make them look bad
Beep gt sport is mad to watch when it comes to sportmanship, even though it arguably isn’t a full sim, they should be the examples to everyone else.
"Just a video game" attitude is exactly why so much online racing sucks.
Salty American Racer! Taking out a Formula One driver! And what makes it worse for me... Norris is British, guess what’s my nationality? Also Britain, Pagenaud should have kept his nerve and not acted like a salty prat! That move could injured people if were in the real world! Maybe even killed... (if it was in reality, but it isn’t and drivers in the games are practically invincible anyway)
The point is that it was intentional and if everyone behaves like that there's no point racing at all
Agreed. That's not racing.
your correct this beta nerd video game bullshit is totally pointless . no one cares
@@AlistairMaxwell77 They kinda do if Pagenaud is getting death threats from Lando fans...
@@AidanMillward he didn't take threats from Lando though...and that's what matters...Lando is more mature than the Frenchman Champion
@@AidanMillward Dude, you too are overreacting. You said it yourself, Lando's fans are 8 years olds. Imagine feel threatened by 8 years old fans...
While I do realise it's not real and there is nothing on the table, you want, as the viewer, the drivers taking part taking it seriously.
Going back on track to eliminate another driver is very frowned upon in real life, and it shows the character of those drivers, even if there is nothing at stake.
The F1 organized E-race at Azerbeijan seemed to be a shitshow as well, which some E-drivers became frustrated about since the proper F1 drivers didnt take it seriously whatsoever. For the viewer it was appalling to watch, and it was broadcast by Sky Sports on the telly for crying out loud!
GigglingChinchilla The F1 drivers were also acting really cliquey and weren’t at all inclusive of the sim racers.
I was watching Jimmy Broadbent’s stream and it was really sad to watch, because they just kept changing the format, as well as not listening to anyone but their buddies.
@@jeffreytam7684 We were watching the same stream then. Yeah, you'd say people like Jimmer and Tiamadmarduk would know a bit more about the F1 2019 game, but LeClerc and Norris behaved like they owned the place. Also causing the carnage of the Spa qualifying , which was even more of a farce than Monza 2019.
"There is nothing on the table" is a horrendous argument because good racing should be fun, not taking people out
@Joel Schembri yes and racing well is more fun than taking people out. I'm not saying it's not a video game.
@Joel Schembri I agree with that in this instance but it's still very annoying to be taken out, like you don't pay £10 a month for a game to get taken out every race.
Even in a casual game like Need for Speed, when someone wrecks me blatantly on purpose, I. . .get pissed.
Same
And I guess you don't often race 3 hours straight before being wreck n the last... straight
Same, but the difference is they dont drive actual race cars in real life. They should be held to a higher standard.
Ohh boy you gonna get pissed... A lot if is NFS
@@simonz5905 except PAG WRECKED HIMSELF. Noris dever touches car 2. Car 2 jukes like they are trying to miss a damn bunny and punt Pag.
Again not a spec of Mclaren Paint on anyones elses chasis.
THAT MOVE made during the last lap of the IRL 500 would have been hailed as one of the greatest of all time.
It was clean , it was Way early- it was Turn 2 by the way people FFS. This happened between the short chute and turn 2. - Noris got a much better run out of 1 hence the reason he could position the car there.
Dive bombing turn one is just bad, turn two is a far more technical corner. Noris drove professionally. So many other showed their cracks in personality, intyegrity and mindset.
I think it comes down to professionalism. Yes it's a video game and you can have fun, but its one thing when an opponent makes a mistake that is a detriment to you, and another when they intentionally try to screw you over. It is mean spirited and ruins the fun atmosphere.
You're right about that, but I don't think he was saying it was ok for the drivers to do what they did (he did suggest that drivers behave better), rather that fans need to chill out about it, because while it may not be ok to do, it may ruin the fun, it is still a game at the end of the day. I think you have the right attitude about it but alot of people are so angry they want the drivers to get actual fines which I think is just ridiculous given the above context.
@@jamesshives5679 Fans are CRAVING racing. This is all they have. Of COURSE they're going to be bent up and extreme about it. "Be careful, Preston: you're treading on my dreams."
@@AdamLindgrenComposer That's not an excuse for people to lose their sensibility
You'd expect to be intentionally punted when you are online lobbies against random people.. Not when you are racing against pro's
Before that race the Indy series was much more serious than some other series with pro drivers and also a revenge kill is worse than getting your elbows out.
The underlying factor is, is that it just wasn't a cool thing to do. People watch those races to see the world's best drivers race and not treat it like they're 11 year olds on an open lobby.
But on the other hand it is just a game at the end of the day and it will be forgotten in a few months.
Ah yes, what we needed was to make a bigger rift between European and American motorsport fans.
What rift? Think it exists in your head. We have a tendency to watch different motorsport largely because the US is a very inward looking nation. Don't think that means there is a rift they just like ovals quite alot and well the rest of the world mostly doesn't.
It may only be a quote on quote "video game", but you still need a level of professionalism. Especially when the race was being broadcasted live on Sky Sports & NBC Sports. I'm a huge Lando fan, would I call myself a fanboy? To an extent, but it doesn't mean I won't criticize when needs be. What Pagenaud did in either reality or virtually was wrong. And as for Ferucci, well quite frankly he shouldn't be anywhere near a race car at this point.
Finally someone who understands what professionalism is
I agree completely. These races are the closest we get to real races these days so there is huge viewership. A lot of time went into making this event and setting everything up. Lando had a team constantly helping him with strategy and setup and to be taken out by someone being so childish after hours and hours of prep time to have a good race. Iracing is meant to be the leaders in online simracing and people pay an absolute fortune just to play it, if this was in a normal iracing race he would be banned. "the cars may not be real but the racing is" is the general motto for sim racing. Pagenaud and Ferucci made a mockery of everyones hard work and it was quite pathetic
Conor Naughton santino made him self look like a fool lonnnnng before this
@@gamerageandhobbyrcdu bullying his teammate and racially abusing him, trying to get MAGA on his car, crashing into teammate after the end of the race... yes, Santino, like Ticktum, shouldn't be anywhere near a race car
Exactly! Once you have tens of thousands of viewers who are invested into the race it's different. Sure the argument of it being just a videogame holds up if it's not taken seriously by anyone, but it's presented as a competition to the fans so this must be upheld by the drivers.
I'm not wrong, and you're not wrong.
You know who is wrong?
Simon Pagenaud.
And you know who ELSE?
Santino Ferucci.
Rahal didn't react, he got netcoded to death
Going into the event, nearly everyone expected serious racing, in which retaliation has no place.
If the event wasn’t set out to be as serious, such behaviour wold simply be seen as unsportsmanlike, but in this case, being very unsportsmanlike in such a fashion just doesn’t fit.
But, because nothing was actually on the line in this race, such as points or money, an extreme reaction by fans is not warranted.
I agree with the top part. If you don't want people to view it as a sporting event, an alternative to live racing, don't brand it as esports
They all took it seriously until they did badly. Then it’s just a game
As a wise man once said, "The phrase its just a game is such a weak mindset."
Lmao I’ve had this meme in my head all day
Lol
Trying to make it more than just a game is a weak mindset
why u heff to be mad
Ligma is such a cruel condition
Correction: Scott McLaughlin was scheduled to do up to 8 IndyCar races this year before the ‘rona, and he’ll most likely still race this year still, so I would classify him as an IndyCar driver.
No, it was only one-and-done deal at the Indy GP circuit, but the deal fell through because of Dat Boi
ivaneurope I think he’ll be back next year because he’s a Penske driver in V8s too so he has an in too an experienced team any time he asks really
Correction: It was one race and he hasn't made his career in it. Therefore, not an Indycar driver.
Aidan Millward he did do a testing day at Cota and show up a bunch of series regulars so I would assume they’d be less hostile to him than they would to Lando for showing up and doing well
It was a one race deal but you're right in that all signs were pointing to them trying to add a few more later in the year and McLaughlin looks like he'll first sure be in IndyCar in 2021.
Okay. Let’s address these one by one. All arguments. I’m trying To make it as calm and systematic as possible.
1. Lando’s move on the inside - although not by the Indy race regular move. The move was not illegal by the rules of the so called video game. (Using it because you stressed on this word so much)
And that’s why diff drivers from diff series Is a good idea. You see variety in moves.
Regardless. Let’s assume it was, at max, a rude manoeuvre. It still doesn’t justify trying to ruin a race.
2. Simon said “let’s take Lando out”. That shows that intent.
3. Esports isn’t for everyone. If it’s not for you. Don’t join. What’s the joy in ruining the race for others.
4. It’s just a video game. - on this, how about this, if it was just a video game why couldn’t Simon take the rude manoeuvre. And still try to race or quit. Whatever. Don’t care. Take the loss. It’s just a VIDEO GAME. Let it go. Grow up.
5. It was an event broadcast everywhere with sponsors and real engineers working hard to bring something for some fans that can enjoy something while “DAT BOI” is out there. So it was a bit more organised that a regular lobby.
6. F1 esports isn’t that great - okay on this subject of f1 esport races. The virtual GP is played with equal respect. Contact is made. But none of them being intentional.
Where as when these f1 boys play privately or with TH-cam content creators they punt everyone.
7. In the end - it’s a show of character. A few weeks ago Lando was competing against a youtuber and lost. 1vs1. He took that loss to his face and didn’t punt off people.
As you said. Some professionalism.
8. The key word being fun - fun was what happened in #NotTheGP where charles and Cem showed what real fun is. In a race. If you want punting off other kind of fun. There is a game for you. It’s called wreckfest. 😜
I think indy is a great series. And not all indy drivers are as unprofessional. But this sadly defames indy somewhat. I’m just writing to address items spoken about in the video. There is another view point that verstappen, felix dacosta, max chilton and many others echo.
Cheers. 👍🏻
To Aiden, it's all lando's fans who are 9 year olds who responds.. Coming from this dude, i cant even take his stupid video serious with his already made up own opinion about the fans. So i wont bother watching the whole video. Apparently Aiden dont understand that the whole esports series is set up for sponsors, teams and even being broadcast on TV. He just want the views on what happend because he's a 30 year old downie that didnt get invited to some big events.
He dont understand that Pagenaud was wrong in every single way. IF he was about to crash lando, dont say it just do it. Like Verstappen mentioned. Pagenaud was stupid enough to actually say it and do it and then having a weak acting job saying ''i was about to pit''
Pagenaud (and aiden) forgot that Lando is an indycar rookie. He's a great driver in other series but dont know the rules of indy 500 driving. In fact, if you put any racer. Doesnt matter if it's F1, WEC or other racing drivers.. And you put them in an Indycar without explaining the rules, they would ALL do the same like Lando did. Leave a gap and every race driver will go for it. Even if that means 3 wide.. It's not illegal to do so. And even if it is, it's not justified to ruin his race a lap later. But with Aiden's logic he cant understand that.
Aiden actually defending Pagenaud's dirty character with saying 'they are all 9 year old fans'. While the only child was pagenaud with his childish behaviour and lies because he cant man up with his own (wrong)doings. He lied about going to pit, and later on he lied to lando with an apology that he wasnt meant to do that but just slow down a little bla bla''. If you are 35 year old, atleast be a man and grow some balls when you do something stupid.
But what can you expect from Aiden if he already made up his mind/opinion and trying to defend Pagenaud.
dunz he’s seriously dumb if he doesn’t understand what’s wrong here.
@@varunsambi2004 exactly. As i said just another 30 year old downie who need views on something that happened where he isnt involved in..
@@dunz1908 Yep they are carrying their real life sponsors on their cars, its not really a game anymore
just to add a level of spice the move that everyone is saying is bad/danegerous...
th-cam.com/video/rA7gqSLpZy0/w-d-xo.html&t=349
how interesting seeing it done in real life by none other "our" salty indy driver!
Whilst I think there has definitely been a bit of an over reaction from Lando’s fans, what Simon did was unsporting. It’s like going and smashing up someone’s sand castle that they have spent hours building. Yes they weren’t gunna get any money from it and yes it’s just a sandcastle but it’s still not cool
That woulda been cool if he was just dicking around with the lads in an open lobby, but when you got effing Live TV coverage on the event you partake in... yeah that's a big yikes...
@@nibv6996 I agree
dat boi, i’m gonna call it that now
o shit waddup
Same mate
Same
Guess nobody told Simon "We're live, pal"
I watched the DTM stream this morning. Absolutely cracking races, door banging, divebombs, bump drafts, the whole deal. There was a couple times where people got spun, but that was just a product of 4 cars being within a 2 second gap at Zolder
Nothing malicious, nothing egregious, and some excellent entertainment
lando streams anyway, does other games and has a personality and it more down to earth than most driver that race. Just a different generation
You must not follow IndyCar too close then, because you won't find a more down to Earth, personality filled paddock.
Lando has a personality?
Does he store it somewhere whenever cameras are around?
Don’t you just love when drivers from other series come to race and they get just absolutely taken out by the indycar regulars? Thanks for making my favorite series look bad! I’m talking to you Will, Simon and Santino
P.J. O'Brien they did indy no favours. I say this when I know indy has some great drivers.
I can't say I agree with your points. When it's /professional/ drivers, being sponsored and presented by/on behalf of their sanctioning bodies, and being aired on live television with all the production value of an actual race... sure, we can give them a /little/ slack for things like netcode and the like, but I don't know any racing series that would tolerate one driver deliberately wrecking another driver--much less the /race leader/--in an event. Let alone it happening /twice/.
I know one: Mariokart
I’ve seen better behaviour on GTA Online than I’ve heard about in iRacing recently. And that’s a game where you’re meant to kill each other with any weapon or vehicle imaginable.
They're professional drivers with sponsors who put real money on their cars, so they should act professionally, moreso when the race is being broadcasted to thousands and has a sense of oficiallity to it. The shitshow that went on in the final laps of the race was pathetic, and I think that there should be consequences from either their employers or the organizers, but I doubt anything will happen knowing who's been involved. Anyway, it was a big shame because up to that point I'd been pretty impressed whit the quality of the races throughout the season.
Bubba said “this is why I don’t take this shit seriously” after someone pushed him into the wall when he was trying to pass. Some how he got the negative attention instead of the guy who intentionally wrecked him out of the race.
Hate to be THAT guy but he’s a black guy racing NASCAR...realistically is it gonna go any other way? Most likely not 🤷🏾♂️
Wallace got what he deserved, as did Kyle Larson.
The sponsor in question was already looking for an excuse to get out the sport. If it weren't for that I seriously doubt he would have lost them.
MotorsportsMania21 Blue Emu switched to a different team, they’re backing Landon Cassill now
votekyle3000 seriously fuck Blue Emu, that was the most unprofessional way to handle that situation. Bubba did not deserved to be dragged like that by his sponsor publicly.
No one is talking about my boy Ericsson poor dude got shafted
Of the three main incidents that was simply racing there was nothing deliberate about it it was very unfortunate though, Pagenaud on Lando was 'teaching a lesson' in his mind there was justification, Ferrucci was just a dick had that been Lando rather than Askew then he would probably be under police protection right now.
When I was watching it I was thinking OMG this is the best race I've ever seen, and I still think that. In the heat of the moment I didn't care about blame on either side, I was just screaming at the TV at all the last second drama, so much so you'd be forgiven for thinking I had dat boi. Afterwards I saw Pagenaud did it intentionally and Ferrucci was trying to rub wheels so Ericsson would slow down, and my response is "bit of a dick move" and "that's not how anything works" respectively, but I can see the side where Pagenaud's thinking: "it's just a bit of fun, revenge is fun, go on let's get him," but we're in this, albeit temporary, bubble where simracing holds the same or similar importance to real life racing, so that sort of thinking doesn't work now, there will be real life consequences. These real life consequences luckily aren't injury as would have certainly happened in some of the crashes in that race, but public judgement on social media and in the news; the incident has made the news worldwide, it's insane! At the end of the day, it is just a video game, but when real life doesn't exist, it's the best we've got, so we role play to make it feel real. And I'm loving every minute of it.
There's a HUGE, GIGANTIC difference between a fun session in rFactor, whatever the hell F1 is doing at the codemaster's game and an actual, televised iRacing Indycar challenge. There absolutely ARE higher standard to be held on the latter. I don't see how anyone could put the three as the same thing. Their punting is way more serious then any punting in the other 2 types of event. It's obvious.
This video makes a great argument for not bothering to watch iracing, I felt like I'd had a couple of hours stolen from me after that indy race.
9 Years Old?! I'm a Lando Fan and I am 69! How dare you....but you were kidding, right?? Lando is refreshing and talented. The way his race was ended ruined a great finish and spoilt the entertainment too. Lando's move was clean and there was room for 3 cars. Indy "unwritten rules & understandings" or not.
I think for me it's mostly depending on the occasion. If an event is serious like this one I do expect people to take it seriously. It is of course still a videogame so I definitely think moves on the risky side should have a place even in the serious events but taking out another player for no reason is something you should only do when you're dicking around with friends.
I've been trying to get into the sim racing , but for me it just ain't been scratching that itch. It doesn't feel the same to me. Despite that, I was actually enjoying the sim race at Indianapolis yesterday. At least until the end. When everyone just started crashing all over the place. If the driver's taking part aren't going to take it seriously, then neither am I.
Yeah but is max in this split.
Gotta disagree Aiden, the move Noris made was fair. He was beside him and never made contact.
That said, all of these drivers have sponsors watching and need to behave professionally.
If they cant,they should put their hands up for the races.
Josef Newgarden has been a level head, getting into the game but not getting heated over the frustrations either. Great to see you getting invited into events. :)
Can't expect no less from Josef tbf
Josef’s been a class act.
Whenever a defence starts with "it's just-" you know there's a 99% chance someone has missed the fucking point
The Gist of the video: Yes there was an intentional hit job in a broadcasted Indy 500 race with pro drivers... And people are only upset about it because we're all 9 years old. Hoping for a better thought out script next time.
I too am 9 years old, but please don't tell the University or they'll surely pull my diploma.
Yeah. We are the 9 year olds when the 35 year old throw his toys out of his pram when he was beaten by a 20 year old at ‘ JUST A VIDEO GAME’
Pagenaud's act was disrespectful toward everyone in any way invested on it: the other driver(s), sponsors, and most important, the audience. Saying "who cares, it's just a video game" is almost as (overly) reductive and simplistic as saying "who cares, it's just cars driving in circles" (real or virtual). Sure, in the real world stakes would be much higher because of the safety implications, but the lack of respect towards others invested on it applies to both. And if the implication is that it's dumb to be invested on the former, why would it not be to be invested on the latter (other than personal preference)?
Telling Lando fans to calm down is like saying a Ferrari strategy joke while sitting at the Italian Grand Prix grandstand. They will kill you. I mean these guys get pissed when lando gas a engine failure. They go into the f1 livestreams of classic races and ask where is lando. It's ridiculous. Lando is a great guy I'm sure and I'm not trying to slight him. but anytime you say anything wrong about lando these fans will kill you.
I think they are justified in this case. Pagenaud was being a fucking idiot. Drivers like him make Indycar look like the worst series ever.
Fuck them. Bring them on.
@@whoasked9500 I have felt that Lando acting like he needs a babysitter in every virtual event has been a bit more of a disgrace but to each their own.
@@oberkuhl4077 I mean, he wasn't in this event at least. He told his fans to not go hate on Pagenaud on social media from what I've heard.
@@AidanMillward Understandable.
Here’s my take. I live in Indy, and for most Indycar fans this has been really fun. In my opinion their broadcast and coverage of this online series is second to only NASCAR (which I haven’t been a fan of since the early 2000’s). I love F1 but their little E-series thing has been an absolute joke. Today’s race was the only good one. Back on topic, this is a live broadcast on television with thousands, if not millions (counting internet streams and Lando fans lol) with most everyone taking it seriously. Penske has engineers and spotters since the beginning, race strategists, lots and lots of practice, lots of sponsors jumping on board to support this thing. This was meant to be the major finale to this “season” of online racing and to have your defending Indy champion decide to take out someone, because “they are too damn fast”... his words not mine (probably didn’t want him to win two weeks in a row either). I’m not fans of either so I can be impartial here. During this pandemic I’ve been rewatching a ton of Indycar and indy500’s and let me tell you with 10 laps to go, you see passes like that all the time. It’s do or die at that point. If Pagenaud should be mad at anyone it should be himself. He hung around the outside on turn one (fine) but as soon as Lando got a great exit out of one, kept the inside line and went under Rahal (left room), Pagenaud should have backed out and looked to set something up down the back straight. So... his childish reaction to it should have maybe been directed inward. Ok with that out of the way, I understand the “video game” agreement but Pagenaud has certainly been taking this very seriously since it’s started. Won too. I think with Ferrucci and Pagenaud it just came down to that fiery competitiveness that can easily bleed over to sore loser (for some) and they let that flag fly because they knew they could. Which is a shame because they robbed the audience of the authenticity of the event. Up until that point, all the races were treated like the real thing. That’s the problem I have. Which there is no money in it, you’re representing your sponsors, your team and your series who do pay you for turning a wheel and in this case, having some fun too. I also know how Indycar vets treat newcomers and rookies and they scold and scorn every little move that they themselves have done many times over and claim “they are gonna kill someone out here”. They don’t like getting beat at their own game and certainly not at Indy, not a 20 year old Brit from F1.
It would be video game if it would be some random noob on open lobbby in skip Barber race. This was brodcast official event for mass audience and its NO LONGER 'Just video game' period
Saying this is just a video game is the same as saying a premier league football match is the same as a kickabout in the park with your mates.
Out of the box: As always people overreact especially when everybodys darling got killed, *BUT* if you didn't want to race properly let everybody agree that it's going to be shit and giggles for content and then do that, no half of the grid try harding, the other faffing around. I have no problem with the The Race race being mostly shit and giggles, the same way i wouldn't have a problem if they would be on Wreckfest and take themselves out like it was during Jimmers youtube all-star mushroom cup. And if you want to race properly there you you have your virtual Indy 500 and there you go. Cause my personal problem is that, i'm geniuenly starved of all forms of racing and sports and seeing a proper race on TV with the feel being as close to the real thing was great and then the last 5 laps happened where people decide: nah we're to serious over here let's wreck ourselves.
Also: For some people in those events it was their highlight of the month and then you get destroyed cause some twat didn't take it seriously (here: Aamir "Cyanide" in the F1 Bahrain eprix, where he practiced for a whole week, to be taken out at the hairpin on lap 1 and cause he was last and not as famous as others, so he wasn't invited again)
Another rule of broadcasting; Show, don't tell.
"It's just a video game"
Let me take you back to the time Scott Speed got banned from iRacing.
@@kukuc96 an iracing executive said they wont give him any sanction as it was a private league on twitter
I think indy should just not invite him to the next race and then a bit of backlash will have died down. People on twitter didnt agree with the executive and they raised some valid points, the big one being that in iracings terms and conditions they say all reprimands are still in place for private leagues and that they were just saying that so they didnt have to ban him controversially
The it's just a video game statement (and I mean in general) is a really imprecise statement. I mean the World Cup is just a game, we take it very seriously. Stanley Cup Finals is just a game.
It's all simply about perspective, a game can be very important to someone and mean nothing to someone else.
I mean take this into another avenue, your dog dies, it's just a dog. Your GF/BF dumps you, it's just a relationship.
If it's a serious event then it's a serious event and you are agreeing to be in it. There is some money in play, sponsors being represented and such. In short Pagenaud is a dick but being outraged about it is probably going too far, but it can be understood I suppose.
I think you are wrong in thinking that the fact that Lando was the one being taken out makes this controversial. Ferrucci and Pagenaud behaviour was just trashy.
The "Virtual" races have been organised by teams from the actual sports organisers and supported by real sponsors and broadcast worldwide as an alternative to fans during a global pandemic. These races are on our screens because of the efforts and hard work of a lot of people. Fans are tuning in to watch the real drivers representing their real teams, with sponsors on the car and reputations at stake. I think they should have the respect to take these races seriously.
Love that new little intro xD
I've been working in the eSports business for 18 years, it's my life, my carreer, it pays my bills. So, when I see people saying "it's just a video game", it's sounds exactly like my grampa speaking. Sportmanship is important in any area, and if iracing continue to have more real drivers running on eSports, we might see sponsors
toughening contracts to avoid those kind of behavior. In F1, FIA, drivers and teams had to make agreements about twitch lives, for example, this is the future, where the new fans are. Those fans can be real important to Indy or F1. It's like an opportunity for everybody. But we will aways have people like Pagenaud selfish enough to think that everything is fun. These kind of "player" won't last anyway. I still don't know how come he is still a professional driver with this mindset.
It's important to say that the eSports industry will never need the help of any real driver to survive, as we never needed soccer teams or any sports franchise in order to have competitions.
People are getting pissed over just about nothing. Someone got hit in a sim game. So what, it happens so often, why do people care.
Welp I got rammed plenty of times when I race clean until I got revenge that is....
make yourself a real race driver, and you join this e-sports with a professional set of rules, and then you messed up someone's race on purpose. well congratulations, you just made yourself untrustworthy to race with in real life, because such manner could actually happen too in real racing.
As an ex karting driver(10 years experience, won a few races, a nation cup, raced abroad etc) I can say that for serious racing drivers, real or sim, it is hard to take a notch back from trying your best when you have competition to win or trying just to relax, play a few races, drive some practice etc. You will always have the mentality to find more tenths off of sectors/overall time because going faster and succeeding in it is relaxing especially when you can see/know your own time and the other drivers. Failing in it just eats you inside whatever the mentality was beforehand. From leading that I want to say, the whole world disappears when the race is on, it's only you and the guy/guys you see/hear in front and behind you, race becomes a one of many and you are trying your best in it, there is no serious or just for entertainment races. It's all the same in the race from drivers perspective, giving your best and not giving an inch back. irl or just a videogame. Serious or just for fun. For example F1 for Kimi might be just like a hobby at this point but have you seen him happy when he doesn't win? Or anybody else when they don't succeed at their task given to them? Mentality of the races is to win them, silver will always be shame.
When dat boi came to the UK, did you say “here come dat boi”?
Oh shit wad up
dat boi is taking the world by storm unfortunately
What I'm realizing is that these "professional" drivers don't have respect for the platform. The cars aren't real, so they just think "video game". What they don't realize is that this isn't Need for Speed or MarioKart. The competition is real. The platform is built to simulate pure motorsport. There's no way to convince them not to think of it as "just a game", though, not the ones who don't care. And for that, I've lost a lot of respect for a lot of drivers over the past month and a half.
I love all motorsport, real or virtual. If I tune in, I want to see good, clean racing. If I wanted to watch people run into each other, I'd just spectate races on Forza.
No respect for the game, and giant egos. A bad combination.
Love the work, keep it up
I'm not a "Lando Fan" and I am definitively not 9 years old. But of all takes i've read or heard in the past couple of days, this is by far the worst one.
-The first responders who were in full dress uniform singing the national anthem took it seriously.
-The sponsors who poured money into the event took it seriously.
-NBC and SkySports took it seriously, enough for them to broadcast it on TV.
-The drivers who spent thousands of dollars buildings rigs to be competitive, and practicing for hours took it seriously. Some, including Pagenaud, were even wearing full racing suit and gloves.
-And the viewers who tuned in took it seriously, otherwise they wouldn't have have tuned in.
Whether we like it or not, sim racing is the new grass roots of motorsport. It's the first point of contact with the sport for not only the next generation of fans, but even for future drivers.
This was a great opportunity to showcase the sport to a new generation of young viewers, and instead all they say was a couple of clowns behaving like children.
It’s another case of “the thing is good, but the fan base is horrible”
4:41 - Did you expect anyone to call you out on quoting commentary from the V8 Supercars 2010 Sydney 500?
I guess you can add me to that list.
Vivid childhood memory that
If its making money its never a game. Racing in itself is just driving in circles. Add billions and....
Frankly as a F1 fan and iracing driver I only watched these Indycar events because they were treated seriously and had up that point made me more interested in Indycar and the drivers in general. Seeing them disrespect it and act like sore losers was not a good advertisement for Indycar. They knew this was being treated differently than those other events you mentioned.
It may be "Just a game" but if you did that to your friends, you're not getting invited back and you'll be lucky if that's the extent of it. It was unacceptable, plain and simple.
Lando actually has done that to his friends, in official iRaces even lmao
If your friends disown you because you wrecked em in a racing video game they probably weren't your friends in the first place.
@@TheNFSJacob I don't see how any driver doing it excuses another driver from ridicule. If you're just goofing off with friends, who cares, but when you're doing a globally televised event you'd expect a bit more professionalism regardless of who you are.
4:46 that's reference from v8 supercares it's a classic I remember in 2010 on Sunday the first week of December that's race so well it's chaotic and entertaining
0:25 Real world motorsport? - slightly off there :P
I still remember playing the full 500-miler at Daytona on Nascar 2004 on PS2 with someone else. We both got caught in The Big One early on, so we got to work together to get our lost laps back.
Until the last lap, when I was second and he was first, and I decided to do the PIT maneuver on him to take the 500. Suffice to say, he does not trust me in racing games ever again.
Il be honest the sponsors need to relax tho.... this is online is not irl, it don't reflect nothing on what they do on track irl
So, I thinks there's a couple layers to it. There very well might be an anti-McLaren sentiment in IndyCar after they came in and fucked over James Hinchcliffe, who is very tightly woven into the drivers circle. One of the McLaren's, I think it was Askew, crashed 2 of the Penske cars who were battling for the lead late in the Motegi race while trying to unlap himself. And I know all week in the practices the IndyCar guys were frustrated with how a lot of the rookies and outsiders who hadn't raced at Indy before were driving.
So when Norris pulled an absolutely no-no move on Rahal and Pagenaud going for the lead, that put Pagenaud over the top obviously, and then you had a McLaren 1-2-3. Simon took out Norris. Then on the last lap Marcus Ericsson pulled off an awesome 3 wide move down the backstretch to pass the McLarens for the lead. Well played Marcus. But O'Ward responded by completely taking Marcus out in turn 4, which handed the lead to Askew's teammate who had already altered a race by being stupid himself.
So what I think happened was Santino found himself with a run, and when he realized he couldn't get there he just said "yeah a McLaren isn't winning this," and that's what I believe that was.
I don't think anyone is right or wrong. As a big sim racer myself, I've seen how all this stuff goes and nothing here surprises me. It went the way of 90% most of the leagues that people try to organize on sim servers around the world. The Norris fans are funny because they have never watched an open wheel oval race and have no idea what Norris did to set him off in the first place. But all of this is just realistic cause and effect to me. The shoe fits everyone lol.
It's "just a videogame" until you have thousands of live viewers that got what they thought would be an exciting, competetive race intentionally ruined.
wow !!!! omg thousands of nerds watching your nerd shit on teh interwebz! thats totalz better than a real life . #winning
@@AlistairMaxwell77 oc it's not better than real life lmao
Big brain: Take off last, drive around the first corner pile up. I used to do this in Forxa before they added early race ghosting.
If anyone is angry about this they should go and listen too the live radio from nascar races where drivers openly talk about wrecking others and often do it.
I don't think many outside of the US take nascar seriously anyway
Yeah, but that's part of the culture of NASCAR. It's generally expected that the other drivers are going to try to punt you a bit.
Doesn't make it cool in Formula 1 or Indycar.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Can confirm it be like that if you do stupid shit on track
That's quite different. You can get away with a little contact in a stock car. Those cars handle hustling very well and it's practically inevitable at the shorter tracks. Not so in open wheel cars which are much faster, can't take a beating as well, and generally aren't as tightly packed.
Intentionally taking somebody out is against iRacing’s sporting code. He clearly breaks the rules and ruins, not only Lando’s race, but a bunch of people’s races. Just because it’s a video game, doesn’t mean he gets to break the rules, regardless of the game.
Didn't see the race, but it sounds like something if it was all in one room over Mariokart or Forza, everyone'd be laughing until faces hurt - Pagenaud & Ferruci scrapping, Lando sees a gap & makes it big enough by knocking the other two out the way. 'Cheeky shit! I'll get you for that'
Only now there's a live audience, the cameras are on & everyone's taking it a bit too seriously.
It takes me back to a clip from 2018 where Vettel [pretty damn eloquently] told an interviewer to 'stop trying to create a story' between 2 drivers battling hard & swearing over radio.
(Obviously the Larson thing was... A thoroughly different thing, for obvious reasons)
Also, pretty sweet aside - one of the iRacing driver challenges, you've got Emerson Fittipaldi racing. Dude in his 70's trying to keep up with Montoya, Button and Villeneuve (who races on a joypad because Why the hell not)... That was cool to see.
I watched the race and I WAS laughing until my face hurt! But, like they say, it was funny the first time...
Gotta love the Grand tour reference at the beginning
The basics of every game is to play it fair. If you can't, don't play it. That people react in a negative way to people who don't, is to me understandable.
Compare it when someone jumps a queue, people will address you for it.
Shame this video maker didn't get that part.
They're not even running for points, so why are people taking this so seriously?
The fact that sponsors are taking it seriously is somewhat proof that it is somewhat serious
@@romanbaranovichi5375 Still, I mean the drivers.
Well if a series sanctions a series of events get the NBC TV team in, broadcast it on 'normal' TV with sponsors and all it is kind of serious,. For F1 they've gone for a mess around format (celebs, no damage etc.) and frankly they don't need the exposure anywhere near as much as Indycar. Now is a time for other series to put themselves (and their sponsors) in the shop window thus you had such a big turnout of regular drivers.
Now maybe all publicity is good publicity but yesterday for someone who watches probably far too much motorsport, it was just embarrassing and frustrating that you've sat through an entire race for a couple of drivers to act like morons and 'spoil' the finish.
@@flatoutflatbroke Same, NASCAR and Indycar need to get their acts together, as they've both been the center of bad media in the past month or two due to these events. Utterly ridiculous. F1 knows what they're doing.
Well the intent is to simulate a race, so as you would take things seriously irl so you should in the sim. If the drivers aren't interested in doing that, that's fine, they could go play some arcade singleplayer games
What if I told you it IS just a video game....but it's also something people take seriously and put hours and hours of practice in to? They aren't mutually exclusive things. Yes, it's a video game, no one is likely going to end up hurt in a crash, no money is lost. That doesn't invalidate that for a lot of people, me included, it's a serious hobby. We've spent serious money on gear and serious time on practice. So when this kind of stuff happens, at any level, it doesn't really matter if it's real or a game. People's time is still being wasted so some knob can get his jollies for a couple of minutes. Sometimes that knob is a nobody weekend warrior, sometimes it's an IndyCar champ. Yes, it's a video game...I don't think that precludes people expecting others to act with some modicum of sportsmanship.
I looved watching this race being a v8 supercar fan.
I think my take is that the F1 game, and more "arcade" racing games, the "it's just a game" line is fair - however the perspective I have is that iRacing and the fact this was meant to be a professional replacement for the Indy race mean it isn't "just a game", there's a level of professionalism that is expected, people were watching this for the racing and not to see drivers taking each other out
It's just a video game... But that's all the reason i need to treat it seriously, as well as to expect that out of my co-competitors
"...They're ALL in the fence!" Love the V8SC reference!
Honest question, was Lando's move really /that/ impossible to work like what many people are suggesting it to be, or is it just an unconventional move that would have worked if the other driver(s) did not react that way (or if the game didn't have that netcode issue)? If it's the former, then we can put partial blame to Lando for doing a stupid move that initiated a series of bad events. If it's the latter, then we can't really blame him at all for doing what he knows is doable from his experience in the game and real life, and it all came down to how the game worked and how the other drivers reacted. Eitherway, the way Simon reacted towards the incident is completely unnecessary and has caused unnecessary drama.
It is just a video game, but should be taken professionally by these drivers when it's a main-stage event such as F1's 'Virtual GP' series or the Indycar races that are done by invitational. Pagenaud is sitting on a sim rig, that he probably didn't have before dat boi came along, in a race suit with a camera on his face. He should know more than well enough not to ruin the tight contest being enjoyed by tens of thousands of people.
Pagenaud was as professional in this race as Ferrucci was in F2 at Trident. Which is telling because Ferrucci apologised to Askew in social media after this race.
Intentional acts of sabotage are extremely unprofessional. Doubly so if the excuse is "its just a game". Especially for a game thats broadcast on NBC proper and involves First Responders. Minimising the outrage to "Lando's fans are children" says that you think its OK to actively target and sabotage someone else because you expect backlash to come from nerdy gamer whiners. As opposed to expecting a professional driver to be professional in their attitude.
As soon as I heard of this ‘incident’, I was immediately looking forward to Aidan’s take on this hahah.
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The thing is... If it's just a video game then we can excuse every kind of behavior (for example Ferrucci used this excuse when Askew asked him what was that finish). So then what's the point of racing on iracing ? Let's just make wreckfest or mario kart e sport if people don't want to take it seriously.
I'm upset against Simon because he acted like a 13 yo rage boy while he's 35, has won the Indy 500, and is one of the main top drivers of the series. Crashing into F1's fan favourite boi just brought elitism and toxicity from some F1 fans that I've never asked for.
I don't watch F1 esports, "the race" competition on Rf2, or Formula E e sports especially because generally these races are quite messy. I really enjoyed a lot Indy e sport because it felt like that everyone was treating it very seriously. Like every real drivers were on the grid, they had to work with their real engineer and spotter, the real TV commentators were here too, the whole thing was broadcast on TV. Even the american anthem (which is usually a bit cringey to me as an European) added to the "realism" of the product. And most importantly the racing was really really good.
But in the end I'm just disappointed that all these efforts are overshadowed by an useless drama because Simon disconnect his brain at the very last moment of this championship... But meh I guess it's just a video game
If it is just a video game tell that to Pagenaud and Ferruci. They should accept how their races went and move on. Not get rage face and crash into people on purpose
The reaction to this has been a bit to over the top, people belittling simons career and saying hes just a salty indycar driver is just stupid. I get the it's just a video game argument as at the end of the outcome of the race has no real world implications and causing a crash doesn't hurt anyone. These races are supposed to be just entertainment and some fun while we wait for real world racing to resume but the drivers have to remember that lots of people watch these races to see good racing so purposely crashing someone out because "it's just a game" feels a bit like a middle finger to viewers that were actually enjoying the race and were invested in it.
As for santino ferrucci that's probably what he would do in real life so it has nothing to do with the "it's just a game" argument. He's just a bit of a dick.
To be fair in 2000 K-Harvick was parked for doing the same thing in a RL Truck series race so....
Except Harvick said he was going to kill one of the Gibbs drivers, IIRC it was Coy Gibbs. Naturally, he got parked for the weekend.
At some point a game changes to a sport. You can't compare the Indycar race to the races you compete in. It's like saying your local Sunday league footy match is just a game, the same as the football World Cup is just a game. Same rules etc so they're both just a game right, but in reality they are not. The Indycar virtual races in my opinion were a sport. They were competitive, the drivers invested 10's of thousands of pounds on their sim rigs, and putting in hours and hours every single day. They had spotters and engineers also spending hours working out strategies. They had commentators and production team to do the high quality production. It was even shown on NBC TV. I'm not sure of the total viewing figures but it probably goes into the 100's of thousands. This is not just a game, it was viewed by so many people and their viewing was ruined by a couple of idiots. I'm not a big Norris fan, I'm just a huge motorsports fan, I was really enjoying the race, at times it was as good as the real thing and it was all ruined by the selfish idiots who really wanted to win but couldn't so in turn decided it was just a game.
I looved the fact the second placed driver of the Indycar race used a Logi g series wheel and a camping chair and a few blocks of wood to hold up his pedals in this age of ultra competitiveness and people spending a fortune on gear,I thought that was magnificent and proves simracing can be enjoyed by anyone,even gamepad users.
I totally missed that as I was doing my practicing for Round 3 of TORA GTCC at Hocken..., but honestly I agree with you. And this is coming from someone that plays Forza a huge amount and has experienced those woes of Public lobbies. (Why I joined TORA since they don't do that crap). But from my viewpoint I fully agree. Hell it's making me like a buddy of mine start a weekly spec racing series that isn't too serious
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Good summary and a balanced view. As is so often the case the actual answer is somewhere in the middle of the two extremes. It is 'just a video game' and I have no problem with more aggressive driving and the more common collisions in the sim world than in the real world but deliberately taking someone out who is competing for the win takes it too far. It is just a bit of fun but there is nothing fun about being deliberately taken out by a lapped car.
The expectations of the race also come into it. There had been 5 and a half Indycar races in this series which everyone seemed to treat fairly seriously with a few bits of bad driving but nothing on the level of deliberately crashing. It's not fair to suddenly decide it's now a fun crash 'em up halfway through the last race.
It's not going to matter long term and everyone will get over it however going forward it's important for each sim series to have some kind of understanding between the competitors about what it is. Is it just a bit of entertainment where anything goes or is it being presented as a proper race where the best driver wins. There is plenty of room for both but it needs to be clear which one it is, especially if you are inviting outside drivers and sponsors into your series.
Lets say that it is "just a video game" where as u said the primary objective is to have fun right?
So lets imagine a competitive shooter, if your teammate starts killing you, which is called griefing or being a dick for short, because he is basically tacking away your fun.
So what Pagenaud and Ferucci did can only be classified as being absolute dickheads because they deliberately took away the fun aspect of the "Video Game" for some of the other "Players".
What I find frustrating is that basically EVERYONE agrees that what Simon did was a douche move, but the whole debate seems to be about whether or not he should have real life consequences for it for what he did in a virtual race. It blows my mind people actually think he should lose sponsors or be kicked off Penske. Just that alone basically puts me entirely on Simon's 'side' even though I think was he did was shitty.
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