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Hello there. I thought as a Swede I'd clarify this as it's quite a common misconception. Scandinavia consists of only three countries; Sweden, Norway and Denmark. Then there are "the Nordic countries" which consists of Scandinavia, Finland, Iceland, Greenland and the Faroe Islands.
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and the Åland Islands
@@Cronin_ Ahvenanmaa is part of Finland.
@@jonnekallu1627 Greenland and the Faroe Islands are part of the Danish kingdom, but they were still mentioned... Åland is part of Finland but it has autonomy, just like the Faroe Islands and Greenland.
@@Cronin_ Åland lies under Sweden.
Sorry to hear about the censoring, I've very much enjoyed the war game and the unplanned and surprising endings. I hope you get to continue soon, it was just getting spicy! Love the naval battles too, as well as the races, including the danged balloons, that was great!
yeah 100% this.
Google allows all kinds of broken shit that can be found through their "NO EVIL" search engine. But cant have a gaming video up.
SUCH hypocrisy
@@keith8346 Its because people don't suffer from mental break downs policing stuff like this vs the other crap you can find here on youtube. Sad but very very true. After the first animal abuse vid I'd quit.
You could see the complaint coming last time some people can't seperate reality from a game.
@@keith8346 They did apparently remove that "DON'T BE EVIL" part a couple years back.
@@Bassjunkie_1 lol if is bad for mental illness then don’t watch the damn video these snow flakes can suck my flesh flute what has TH-cam become??????????????????????????????? Sjw need to die of cancer maybe Putin camp be better for them
Sorry to hear about TH-cam censoring, I know I love your war games series and I hope it will come back!
Same
Tbh I think the naval battles are more fun because they are smaller in scope and feel a bit more "realistic" (obv. it's still unrealistic, but whatever). In war games, the scope is just far too big to be even remotely close to how it would be in real life.
Seriously?! It's a F'ing game. Christo I hate YT and wish someone would build a viable competitor!
- Norway voted in 2019 to update the number and get 52 f-35's
- The first f-35 arrived in 2017.
- So far, half the fleet has been delivered.
- This month the f-16 "retired" and the f-35 will take over all roles, starting 2022.
- Believe the JSM will take over the role of the Penguin.
Cool video :D
thx
@@grimreapers Finland just decided to get 64 F35A
@@ajsdjkdasjksdakjdaskj they should have gotten Gripen Es instead, but i guess politics is politics :)
@@andersmalmgren6528 In an ideal world the nordic countries should have had a closer cooperation around defence spending and weapons research and manufacturing, instead of channelling so much money overseas.
Would the Scandinavian Coalition be the new Vikings, the last time they joined up they did ok!
Too bad the newer RBS15 isn't modeled correctly in DCS. The older one on the Viggen should have a better chance to go through than the Harpoon.
Even the older versions were still more intelligent than the Harpoon system.
The Gripens are such damn cool fighters, and them with Meteor missiles are crazy good in real life as well. Probably fully upgraded Gripen C/D's with Meteor missiles are the best bang for the bugs in the world.
Lack of stealth capabilities limits its viability though, so it's kinda just sold as a "rubbish plane for poor people" as James May would probably put it. We can see this in the fact that even countries with relatively small military budgets like Finland, Netherlands and Norway are buying F-35s instead, since their combat effectiveness justifies the hefty price tag, and not to mention Lockheed Martin's F-35 offer to Finland was actually cheaper than Saab's Gripen offer iirc. Much like the Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale, the Gripen mostly just fills a niche for militaries that can't buy more advanced aircraft for whatever reason, would it be due to the price or political reasons.
yeah they sweet as hell. Especially with the ghosting capabilities of the new EW they have.
@@hawkstable8889 Finland and Norway buying American planes is politics, and unless someone can offer twice the performance to half the price that will be the default choice, especially for Norway as they rely heavily on the USA reinforcements to bulk up their ground- and air forces.
Stealth capabilities are nice, but what really hampers Gripen is the lack of range. That design choice was for two reasons:
* Keeping up the tradition of not posing an offensive threat against USSR/Russia. Ranges are kept long enough to strike any harbour around the Baltic sea, but that's about it.
* Since peacetime turnaround for rearm/refuel is 10-15 minutes, the doctrine is to dump the full load on the numerically superior enemy and then head back to get more.
Purchasing price is just part of the cost though, it is usually a lot easier to have the politrickians on board for buying new latest and greatest stuff than to foot the bill to use them.
Flygrevyn #8 2021 had some interesting numbers of cost per flight hour, done by an independent Britsh firm:
F-35: 140 000 SEK
Typhoon: 121 000 SEK
Rafale: 111 000 SEK
Super Hornet: 74 000 SEK
F-16: 47 000 SEK
JAS 39: 31 000 SEK
Austria's Typhoons' has spent surprisingly large amount of time in the hangars due to this, with the pilots relegated to simulator training in Germany to keep the worst rust away.
You can tell the Harpoon at what range to turn its seeker head on. If you know the ranges of the ship from the AWACS and there is a few miles of separation between ships in range, and you account for their movement during Harpoon flight time you can isolate a certain target
I don't think it would work Tom, remember those ships are gonna be moving at 30knots and may turn. Bearing in mind that the time of flight of missiles is so long, I think you wouldn't risk doing that, as you may miss the fleet?? I suppose you are the expert here but I still think it's risky?
@@grimreapers I am skeptical that it would work on a battle group as well. Theoretically it could, but you would have to be dam lucky and know the precise movements of the group. It’s main function was to avoid neutral shipping between the target and the shooter. The two new ASCMs we can likely pick out a single target based on IR signature.
@@grimreapers That's where NSM and JSM come into play. And Norway have 35 F35 active at the moment, and they all can carry JSM.
NSM and JSM can work in a Network and coordinate between each other, during an attack
@@heuhen I'd argue it is more a limitation of the game not modelling current Western weapons whilst the Kuznetsov group - which hasn't even been fielded yet - is modelled with the latest & greatest defensive systems Mother Russia can design.
@@mrkeogh I do not think that ED being a Russian company can provide accurate modeling of "latest & greatest defensive systems Mother Russia can design". According to Russian law, this would be a crime. Similarly, it would be a breach of the US law to accurately simulate modern Western weapons.
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Gripen isn't stealth, but it *is* low visibility.
Mix that with the electronic warfare systems and its capabilities are surprisingly good.
In wargames in the US the Gripens are apparently able to get scarily close while remaining undetected according to one US fighter pilot.
At least that's the case in reality, in this game?
Who knows...
Armchair admiral here. I would change the order of the missiles. Fire the harpoons first to swarm an overwhelm the cruisers. After the cruisers have expended their munitions and potentially lost vessels, send in the penguins at the carrier.
Agree with you on this one. The harpoon would also divert attention from the F16s as they run in too, if timed correctly!
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This is indeed a problem with plans. But let's assume this is how it played out.
Next steps:
Finland does not need to reinforce it's naval attack group and seems to have suffered no losses. So another strike can be launched.
Swedens airgroup has been mauled but could be launced with anti ship missles.
Danish group is entirely kia and is out of the fight.
Since the planes are launched from Norway the Norwegians could put reserves in for another strike with minimum delay.
Russian carrier group has expended a lot of missles, lost a cruiser, another damaged and it's entire airwing is gone.
Withdrawing the carrier group is paramount
So this in my opinion is a strategic Scandinavian victory
@@helgi1921 Tactical loss though since the goals was never achieved , but I agree that it would be suicide trying to sustain that blockade.
@@matso3856 true. But if a second strike could be launched then they might catch the carrier while SAR is ongoing or while they are withdrawing.
Norway would use their Naval Strike missiles with their Thermal Imaging based targeting system to target specific ships...you guys really need that to be added in ;)
16:53 No missile will always hit, the Meteor got a world-class hit rate and a "no escape" cone really far out.
14:45 I believe the Gripen C got an RCS on 0,5 M^2 but have seen as low as 0,25 M^2. The Gripen E is listed at 0,1 m^2.
But all of them ofcause is much bigger with all their missiles on. But they also got a world-class EW suit.
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@@grimreapers np
Concerning the Harpoon problem, 2 suggestions: Fire them in waves so that the first wave hits everything in the way, then give some time to sink and disappear, and then the second wave can go for whatever was behind. Second suggestion: Fire from different angles so that it will become less likely that all the Harpoons see the same scenery and go for the same ship.
waves undermine any attempt to swamp air defences with swarms of planes or missiles
Peter the Great did her job, took all the missiles and protected the carrier. Served the motherland well
Well they managed to deprive the carrier of aircraft, and destroyed the only kriov currently in operation so I'd say it went pretty well.
The Harpoons were smarter. With the airgroup gone, the carrier poses no threat anymore. The Kirov was the correct target.
The carrier never poses a threat it can’t even stop from destroying itself 😂😂😂😂
^^ actually V good point.
@@Utubesuperstar I mean, you're not wrong.
Also, with _Kirov_ on the bottom, _Kuznetsov_ is wide open for a second Harpoon attack, especially if more F-16s can actually get Penguins through to reduce the _Slavas._.
Now Kuznetsov can be use like cruiser, because he have heavy anti-ship missile))
And as an old F4 BMS-simmer (F4 Falcon since 1999, callsign "Vip" - 4000 hours), I whish I had the "DCS skills" to participate in these missions, sadly, I don't have to time to really get up to speed again. These videos really brings back fond memories. Thanks!
Fun video! Btw, small correction: Finland has more hornets than those 55 C-models. We also have a couple of twin-seat D-hornets. 7, if memory serves, as I think we have 62 hornets total left right now after losing a couple of them in accidents.
Thanks!
In a few weeks Finland will decide about its next main fighter. The options are F-35A, Super Hornet (with some Growlers thrown in the mix), JAS Gripen E, Rafale, and Eurofighter. I suspect it is going to be either F-35 or Gripen - Rafale and Eurofighter are unlikely imho, and Super Hornet is already an older platform. The amount of all planes should be in or around 64.
@@mrs7195 super hornet deal would come with other benefits tho. A lot of old legacy hornet stuff would directly translate to new platform plus they would get a growler on top of the deal. In my opinion F-35 is too expensive to maintain in long run, but Gripen is an excellent choice... However gripen only has one engine, a feat which has saved a couple hornets in the past in our mishaps during excercises 😁
You forgot to mention the little detail that you're not a part of Scandinavia, though :P
@@d0ppler77 always someone has to say this comment 😅
Answer really depends on your definition. If by argument of physiography/geography, then Scandinavia would be Norway/Sweden/Finland(last time i checked tiny part of Finnish lapland is consired in Scandinavian mountain range and hence part of the peninsula). By that definition I would rule out Denmark, because it is technically located on the North European Plain instead of Scandinavian peninsula.
My real answer: who cares 😝
I see a win here with no aircraft left on the carrier and the Kirov sunk. I would argue that the CG has been defeated until Russia manages to get new jets on the carrier.
yes fair point.
The same can be said about the aircraft carrier group of any state. But anyway, the first attack failed.
As much as I love the wargames I love the naval battles too. Genuinely the most entertaining stuff on TH-cam.
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I actually love the Gripens. Such a capable little aircraft.
Yep, and relatively affordable, too. Also, they look cool.
Here in Norway we do have the F-35 in active service, but still not anti ship-capable with missiles yet. Soon our F-35s will be equipped with JSM Joint Strike Missile, and it will be a game changer. It would be interesting to see this battle done again, only this time with a squadron of RNoAF F-35 with JSM instead of the F-16 with Penguines. Please? 😊
You'll have to wait awhile, it isn't really possible to model a weapon in development accurately in the sim unfortunately.
in real life the russian carrier group have more ships like the admiral gorshkov class and Admiral Grigorovich class
@@AyOuB.God-soldier In real life the Scandinavian countries wouldn't attack a Russian carrier group alone without help from other NATO members. Most likely utilising a US and/or UK carrier strike group. Not to mention what is lurking under water
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The Gripens are fast in real life.
Not because of power to weight ratio, but rather due to low drag.
The war game series you created is the best I’ve ever seen! I thoroughly enjoyed the videos you posted and I want to say thank you for all the hard work the reapers put into that simulation. I’m really sorry to hear about the censorship. Is there anyway you can restart the series but use fictitious names for the countries involved?
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Interestingly accurate to a point. Gripens would indeed go for a strike as quick as possible, get within range, cut straight through with the EW pod, making retaliatoins impossible, fire, score some kills .... but then they fall back just as fast. without ever being seen by anything except long range radar, if even that.
Swedish airforce have a 200km range anti-ship missile that Gripen can carry, named RBS-15F ER. It is based on a quite old design that has been continually improved and upgraded over the years. Will be fully replaced in a few years by a the Mk. IV Gungnir with 300km range. With a 200km range it can launch at a much greater distance than the Penguin that only have a 35 or 55 km range. But at subsonic speeds it will need to attract air protection away from the carrier group and likely launch quite a few decoys. Updated since I heard you mentioning the Mk 4 towards the end.
I think I would attack the outer edge ships in the blockade first, one by one. Two groups from each direction to force the Russians split their planes in two groups too. But only in a way where they first fly off in one direction and then have to double back when they spot the second group. Then send a fairly small group straight for Kuznetsov, just to tempt them to fire off their anti-aircraft missiles. Turn around as soon as possible to get out of range. Repeat until the air cover is forced to peel off from protecting the outer ships in the blockade. You don't fight this kind of battle in one attack unless you have an overwhelming advantage. You can only win if you can force your opponent to do something that will weaken his position, because then he will hesitate and start to make mistakes. It is up to you to make sure that of all the choices your opponent can make, none are good. They are all bad.
We have MkIV in game but sadly currently not working.
@@grimreapers Not at all as "broken" as some here make it out to be. Look into the data on them again?
I would have put some of the JAS on attacking the naval units, cuz the Gripens and their older cusins the Viggen are built with air to sea combat in mind, and they would almost always act in company with Swedish/nato Naval units and fire beyond the horizon with data link targeting
Norway has got 24 of their ordered F-35A's at the time of the video it might only be 21. At least most of them are in Norway though they probably also got a few in the US, used for training. Denmark has received a few, but they are all in the US for training right now.
Thanks! Did not realise.
@@grimreapers np, great video's
Ummm... We have the F-35 in active service here in Norway now, with the F-16 being phased out of active service. I have seen F-35's flying over my house a few times, and I certainly heard them a few more times, so your info is not up to date.
@SubtoPolecat324 we should either just get block 50 F16, Europe fighter or the Gripen. We only selected the F35, because the Americans promised to integrate the Norwegian missle. So Norwegian tax payers are paying billions for the F35 so a Norwegian arms company could make 100 million...
F-35 is taking over the NATO QRF for Norway in 22. Both the Penguin and the AIM-9M are legacy. Norway uses the IRIS-T, which is much more capable.
Both the F-16 and the F-35 will carry the JSM, not the Penguin. The F-35 does so internally, which means remains stealthy. The NSM is the next generation Penguin, and the JSM is a further improvement. It is greatly improved, and the new JSM variant (Joint Strike Missile) has a range of over 300nm). The missile itself is stealthy, and uses random maneuvers in its terminal phase to make it harder for enemy countermeasures like CIWS.
The JSM has an IIR-seeker (soon to be complemented by a radio-frequency seeker) and an onboard target database. It is able to detect, recognize and select targets independently.
@SubtoPolecat324 its even more expensive to keep the F-16
Sorry. Stupid Wiki :(
Thanks for letting us know, well done!!
Harpoon block 2 got GPS guidance. Meaning you can program the missiles to have different paths into the 'target basket'.
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The Gripen C's design allows a much better better top speed and they have got less drag then the F-16 and especially the FA-18, but I'm not so sure they got a better climb rate as they got less power to weigh, but then again the F-16's and FA-18's carry more weapons so maybe they will climb slower.
Taking out the entire carrier air group and making them expend a large portion of the missile stores in the process would force a withdrawal and therefore break the blockade. Definite win.
Scandinavia is Norway, Sweden, Denmark. Nordic countries are Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, and Iceland.
And the F-35 does exist and is operational in Norway.
Sorry for being grumpy, just dealing with a migraine.
thanks did not realise they were flying yet.
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Norway had F 35 jet's when you made this.
And Norway has been using Naval strike missile. NSM.
Since 2012
That can go over 185km
Check it out and please make a new one of this.
With the right equipment. Right planes and missiles and we Skandinavia have ship's to.
Thanks. Love your war games
Scandinavia only consists of Norway, Denmark and Sweden. When including Iceland and Finland its referred to as the nordics.
Great video though.
@kroniskaparanoia,
Depends on your definition. If defining word Scandinavia by physiography/geography, then Scandinavia would be Norway/Sweden/Finland (last time i checked tiny part of Finnish lapland is located in the peninsula and hence part of the Scandinavian peninsula). By that definition I would rule out Denmark, because technically is located on the North European Plain instead of Scandinavian.
If by definition of people and their language, then of course you are right.
@@teemukustila you are talking about the scandic halfisland, but that’s not scandinavia. Scandinavia has been defining Denmark, Norway and Sweden since the 1700-hundreds.
Pinguin as good as it was/is .. are after all quite old missile type, we now here in Norway atleast have started with the Naval Strike Missile (that also fit into the F-35 now), they also have them on our Coastal Corvettes (stealthy ones) and are working to get them on our new subs from Germany.
"You'll be re-incarnated as beautiful butterflies" :)
Big fan of the logic that says the Russians get 2023 spec battle group with MiG-29Ks, but the Danes can't have F35s because they're on order.
Love that.
errrr yep fair point...
I do want to point out that both sides lost a similar amount of planes AND, the Pyotr Veliki was sunk and the Kuznetzov was a mission kill (how many living russian naval aviators left?). You may have been disappointed but the blockade is lifted.
Maybe not lifted......but the carrier group must withdraw since the airgroup is KIA
@@helgi1921 If they withdraw is the blockade not lifted?
@@Dreyer888 if only the carrier group withdraws, the other ships could maintain the blockade
I’d of split the fighter sweep into 3 flights of Gripen’s to draw the Mig’s away and then attack the fleet from the south.
Arm all the F16s with Penguins.
Best way I can think of to target individual surface combatants is to fire off the Harpoons first to deplete the SAMs / CIWS and then send in the F16s with their Penguins to target individual ships.
Gripens don’t need to win, they just need to drag the logs away so the carrier can be sunk by the F16s.
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Just to add. The F35s are in Norway. They sometimes fly over my house. And have been a bit more active the last few months. Love these videos, Cap. One day I will invest in a proper pc and get DCS
This didn't quite work out as planned, but we all had fun.
Looking forward to another try at this.
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Planning is how you overcome that :-) with some planes using drop tanks (and 1-2 fewer missiles) you could do a "circle"... using the faster planes and "slower" planes to encompass the enemy for maximum accuracy. This was sort of a brute force attack :-) fun to watch though!
JAS39 Gripen E variant would be almost as fast but have a longer range and better ECM and so on... I think that would changed the game in this scenario...
Amazing content as ever
Correction tho, Scandinavia is just Denmark, Sweden and Norway. You could include Finland and Iceland in a “Nordic” setting
I'd love to see a head to head dogfight between F14D and F/A18 Superhornet.
This did not surprise me at all. Even with the earlier version Tomcats. I've got special place in my heart for the Eagle, Falcon, and Superhornet, also, the A-10, but the F14 is my favorite of all time. I wanted to be an F14 pilot when I was a kid. I knew all about that plane. It's all been forgotten now, but I was a jet nerd when I was younger. Oh well.
Sorry for rambling. I'm loving these videos.
The Mig 35, which is the Name MiG sells the K Series under, is a fully digital Plattform and small. A Su 33 is analog and massive.
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Apparently the MiG29K replaced the Su33 because the 33s were getting to the end of their service life. Plus the 29s are smaller; more room on deck, and an RCS 4-5 times smaller than previous 29s.
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Xmmmmm the west cast of Norway kind of looks like the east Mediterranean. spooky!!!!
Wouldn't the Scandinavians not have any Land based launching facilities that could launch (hyper sonic) missiles at the CG?
For the F-35A Norway currently have 31 in their air fleet with 21 in Norway and 10 in the US for training and testing. The reasoning behind the change from Su-33 to Mig-29K is cost as to update the Su-33 to something near what the Mig-29K offers would be extremely expensive and the Mig-29K's capabilites have practically been paid for by the Indian Navy. Also on a plus side the Kuznetsov should be able to carry more Migs due to it's smaller size anywhere up to a third more.
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2023 Ruski force. but the norwegian F16s will be fased out by newyears 2021-2022... all F35 flying by the summer ... someone needed ask some scandinavian fans i think ;)
Also Sweden will have Gripen E by 2023.
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Norway do have some F-35s, got the first ones in 2017, first NATO mission with them (norwegian F-35) were in winter 2020.
Once all the aircraft are shot down, does it matter if you hit the carrier? It's out of planes and isn't any more useful than a frigate at that point. The battle cruiser was probably the more valuable target once the MiG-29k's were destroyed.
I would think it is still very important to hit the carrier. It may not be a threat at this time but failing to take it out will allow it to return to base and get more aircraft and go back out. Then your right back where you started and it remains a serious threat. Replacing the aircraft is a lot easier than replacing the carrier.
Fair point.
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Gripen can carry the Rb15f-ES antiship missile an updated Rb15f that you used in another scenario but on the Viggen you saw how powerful that missile was then.
The RB15 is kind of a broken missile in DCS. It flies lower then any other antiship missile in game and hits way harder then the Harpoon even though the harpoon has a slightly larger warhead.
@@calmterror But they do fly lower they are skimmers if you choose that attackmode. I would also argue that the Harpoon is underperforming in DCS compared to irl also behaving really weird sometimes maybe a bug.
@@flash7355 The RB15 flies so low in game that it clips the water sometimes. But yes the harpoon needs a buff. Maybe bring the rb15 and Harpoon more in line with each others. but that is up to ED and who ever made the RB15 viggen module.
@@thunder2434 Any part of the missile touches water in low flight and the missile is gone. Are you crazy? touching the waves at a 1000 kilometers an hour?!?!
@@thunder2434 1000kmh IS subsonic...
But it doesn't matter even if a missile catches onto a wave at 500kmh it would get taken out, at that speed it's like smacking concrete.
Sea skimming, does not litterally mean they're skipping on the tops of waves from time to time..
Maybe follow your own advice.
When this video was released, a change of guard was going on i Norway, and now the F-16 are retiered, and replaced with the F-35. The F-35 have been in service though for some time ;)
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So let’s say the Carl Vinson with her 7th fleet escorts are strolling through the pacific and they bump into the kuznetzov battle group at around 120 miles away. Who wins??
Fin fact: Scandinavia is compriced of Denmark, Norway and Sweden. The Nordics also include Finland and Iceland (as well as some smaller islands).
Source: am Swedish.
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@@grimreapers This one (topic) is always gonna get corrections, even if you get it right the first time. ;)
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I am not sure if you have been asked already but... What about RCAF? How would they do stat wise etc. I would love to see opinions etc. Maybe even a vid but hey, even a look at them would be cool.
The reason why they move to mig 29k:
You deploy up to 36 mig 29k on Kuznetsov while only 18 su-33, because mig 29 is smaller. Russia plans to order more mig-29k when Kuznetsov will be ready. They actually removed its strike weapons making hangar bigger. Mig 29K also has lower RCS compared to su 33, because 20 % of its body is made of composites and radar absorbing materials. There is a mistake on the model of this aircraft: it can carry up to 9 missiles (1 under the belly and 4 under each wing). Yours had just 3 hardpoints under wings. Russia also installed new engines on Kuznetsov so it shoud not be smoky in its next sea mission.
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From the little researching I've done, it seems as though the su-33 never quite lived up to its promise. It lost just about every export contract it bid for. I think you're right that the size has a lot to do with it. It's massive, as fighters go, and Russian carriers aren't all that big to begin with.
@@DanielWilliams-oi4ss Well, su 33 will still be used by Russian navy aviation, but not from aircraft carrier but from land base in the Northern fleet. They also ordered 50 su-30sm2 (22 are delievered) for navy aviation. It really seems that they want to make Kuznetsov as much a carrier, as it can be, before building next aircraft carrier.
I'm a fan of the Su-27 derivatives as a rule, and i think it makes a lot more sense to have the bigger planes if you're operating from a big airfield. It just seems like the 33s got kneecapped by the compromises needed to get them to operate from a carrier
The censoring of the Counterweight Continent campaign was a load of old bollocks!
This war game is pretty good though. You didn't get the carrier, but you denuded an airwing as well as a heap of the missile supply of the enemy fleet and took out a battlecruiser. Unless they have a couple of good re-supply ships on hand, that carrier group is going to have to withdraw to resupply, and the Russians don't have another carrier to rotate through to the blockade.
So that group you'd think would move off to the Northwest roughly to get closer to replenishment, and you might want to see if you can do anything to interdict that.
Then there would be whatever units are left for blockading duties, and their subs.
Can't cap just rename the series to: "Agathean empire invades Bhangbhangduc"? It even fits since Uncle Sam (Vimes) can intervene there too! 🐢
long time i didnt hear penguin misiles
last time when i played micropose stealt bomber
What's your recommendation for a second module, Mirage 2000 or AV-8B?
Prob Harrier TBH
Norway RETIRED its f-16 fleet in december of 2021, it is completly a F-35 fighter fleet at the moment, if this was supposed to be a 2023 scenario (or hell even just a 2021 scenario) it would be a realistic to have a complete norwegian compliments of F-35s which norway curent posses around 40+ of with all 52 to be ready by 2025.
Also, given the presence ofndiesel subs lurking, any attack would probably haven involved them as well.
Asw operations with an ongoing air defence battle overhead are difficult.
Also, we all know what wily devils those skands in subs are.
Ok I have to say this, you are very brave trying this after other demonetising.
Well this isn't a hot topic like China, so should be OK.
@@grimreapers The scary thing about that is how it shows how hot China thinks this might get and soon while Russia and the west is more chill. That Taiwan takeover would be costly and maybe fail (especially if Taiwan gets help) with the current situation and weapons can't really be news for anyone.
Did you include the tugboats that is standard companion for the Kuznetzov carrier
We need to see the Chinese carrier and the US carrier fight in the next battle as they were heading towards each other in the Pacific. I want to see that one.
So, just a slight correction. Norway has had F-35s in active service for a while now. We have over 20 of them in service with at least 20 more in production.
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A little tiny correction :-) Scandinavia is only Swe, Nor and Den. What you are talking about is the Nordic Countries. Thank you for a fun game.
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Maybe it would have been wiser for the Scandinavians to try to attack with submarines - that has worked well enough vs. US carrier group on exercise in the past.
Norway have F-35A's in active service since 2017, they're due 42 in total to replace the F-16s which is why the number shows 21 still on order out of 42. The Danish AF currently have taken delivery of 1 F-35A which is at Luke AFB as part of the pilot and maintainer training. Sorry, but I'm a bit of an F-35 nerd :P
Only 21 F-35s are operational with Norway and 21 are on order.
Added to that, the F-35s only carry four air to air missiles, and Norway wouldn't want to sacrifice its most capable aircraft in a real life scenario.
And I guess the JSMs aren't operational yet, but I might be wrong tho.
Sorry I did not realise.
@@grimreapers No worries, my OCD kicked in. I'm just around F-35 stuff pretty much every day :P
@@brothergunns5055 RNoAF's F-35As use both A/A and A/S munitions similar to its predecessor, the F-16A, as a multirole aircraft.
Not surprised with the assessment of the Gripen "lacking legs". Sweden makes some incredible aircraft...but projecting power is not part of their military doctrine. Unless the mindset has changed since I was there (and it's been three decades, so that's entirely possible), Sweden's military exists primarily to convince any would-be aggressor that occupying the country would be more trouble than it would be worth. Their planes have generally been intended to protect Swedish airspace, so attacking a target hundreds of miles beyond the Norwegian coast is not something they would plan for.
Agreed with many others that this is, at best, a Pyrrhic victory for the Russian group.
Unsuccessful…? The carrier is a paper weight now and the only ship that remained a threat is at the bottom of the ocean
There’s are still moskva which carry supersonic p-1000 which are multi role and can assign multiple targets in flight and this is not even the updated Kirov coming into service with s-500 as vls defense systems and zircon hypersonic
Yup I didn't think of it like that...
Just discovered your content recently and have been binge watching as many videos as time allows, amazing stuff
Idea: Break the land speed record by putting aircraft carriers end to end on groom lake for >4 nm runway!
Maybe if the timings were better, the FA-18's should have come first, then the F-16's and the Gripens. Possibly if they had come from different directions they could have hit different targets, and then at least hit a lot more of the escort ships.
22:12 MiG-29S that you are using here is not really good substitution for MiG-29K afaik. So there is a chance that Su-33 would actually do better here (but they could also do not, hard to tell xD)
Since this is meant to be 2023 Norway has at least 20 F35s, Finland should have at least a few and Sweden should have maybe 10 Gripen E with Gugnir skimmer antiship missiles. Or Kuznetsov should not have the upgrades. Can you make an updated video to compare results?
Finns will object to being called Scandinavia, they'd call this Nordic countries. The rest of us would be happy with calling it "Scandinavia".
Could you please make a video with all these kinks worked out before the start of the scenario’s your playing?
Love all the videos you produce, very entertaining. Just a thought though, to avoid these censorship people getting their way, I have a suggestion...how about write "Fiction:" at the start of the title of the vid.?
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Maybe try a wider spread of the anti-ship missiles? F18s coming in on different vectors? Just by the nature of probabilities and which ships they're likely to encounter first, you might get a wider target range?
Otherwise, it's just another case of Size Matters.
Maybe coming from the south/south/west with harpoons would be better? Isn't there a discimination setting on harpoons dependent on size, similar to the aim-120's one that looks for larger/smaller targets? Don't recall offhand.
i don't know if the Gripen C can do it (the D/E certainly can) but current Rafale can direct fox3 missiles fired by another plane, so the Rafale in front would fire its fox3 and defend, and the missiles (MICA or meteor) would be guided by another Rafale further back, hence ensuring a longer fully guided range and thus a longer no escape zone without exposing the firing front plane
Afaik, yes, all Gripen versions and even the latter versions of the old Viggens can/could fire on another planes targeting data.
Swedish airforce command has used integrated datalinks since the 1980ies, the airforce command and control data link system was even seamlessly compatible with the corresponding functions of the coastal artillery sensor and command system as they were built on the same core programming.
My dad worked on the costal artillery side of it's design and implementation as a costal artillery branch staff officer.
I agree with the others in that although the carrier in theory could go home and rearm spare aircraft's that would leave the blockade completely defenceless. As a result this is a win as tactically as a carrier is too expensive to leave defenceless and vulnerable and nor would they leave a blockade to be destroyed alone so it would need to withdraw.
But in the rules of the game yeah, the carrier won.
In theory, those fighters would not have airbases still remained intact in entire Scandinavia to return to. I guess Gripen's ability to land on highways would be handy. They could park between T-90's and BMP-3's 😄 I'm only half joking 🙂
Cap really gets excited like a child when he sees a penguin being fired 🤣
Nice to see Sweden not choose neutrality for once !
Is there a reason you're not targeting radars specifically? It seems as though you would want to disable the grumbles targeting radars (which i assume is just the ships' radars) before going after the ships proper.
Radar damage not modelled in game yet.
Crikey, sounds like you might be on the radar of those nice Ministry of State Security people
could you tell us why you choose DCS for the simulator? I am looking into joining DCS?
The only half decent modern combat sim out there.
Hey Cap, I've been meaning to reach out for some time now. I used to fly MiG29K's with the Indian Navy, now I'm flying 787's for British Airways now. I'm working with a few kids on a new MiG29K mod with new Python 5, I-Derby ER, Astra, newer versions of the R77 and the ARH version of the R27. Would you like to have a look?
do you guys have a discord for the mod?
Yes please, can you contact me on Discord? discord.gg/cATmE3d thanks