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Sorry, what happened between the Chelsea game and now? Why choose now to criticise again Havertz? If he’s in form he’s still treated like he’s not
It's a joke at this point. James should know better but he doesn't want to upset the likes of Turkish.
It is an ongoing AFTV disease. At his moment, no cure.
Having not been impressed with Kai for most of the season, l thought his brace against Chelsea was fantastic. However, that doesn't suddenly make him a better player than l think he his... and l don't think he's a good player.
Jesus is shite aswell, always offside and cant shoot
@@ziggi08able you should
Cecil doesn't seem to understand that a 'squad' consists of more than just 11 players. A substitution in a strong squad is not the same as 'benching'.
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Why all the Havertz hate ? It's starting to really annoy me, he has been one of our best players, your showing a lack of football knowledge.
Its not hate, people who think legitimate critiques are hate are the most annoying
Do you think Darwin Nunez has been one of Liverpools best players? Both have 11 goals, Nunez has 8 assists and Havertz has 5 assists. The eye test gives you the same results. Both praised for good positioning both criticised for poor execution. Havertz has done well enough to keep his place at Arsenal but he should not be starting every game for next season. We need a 20+ goal striker and a ball carrying b2b midfielder.
What you guys don't understand is that you can get a striker that score 40 goals and actually score less goals as a team. What Kai does is make movements that create goals for others, he might not be directly involved in the goal but his movements is just top top. If we can sign a striker that makes the team mates better, then fine but the only one right now in world football is Kane and we won't get him. Just name one striker that will make the other better? Look at Halland, great number of goals but city are actually not better off as a team. Just go an Look at the run in last season, it was not him that made the difference
Lautaro Martinez of Inter Milan would be a good fit. But he is on course for a new contract with Inter.
Spot on.
Hmmm, that is alot of waffle
@@laeektanaji1926 lol. please stay away from short striker to play in the PL. the game has evolved. just look at Jesus, not much he can offer as a striker. need a big striker like Giroud or tall n skilled like Henry. haha
Let’s look at the goals Havertz has scored, the 2 goals against Chelsea were both VERY good goals, he’s strong, big and can grow into the position. Can poach a goal too with his good movement
The hate havertz gets is crazy, been one of our best players this season
It’s mainly because SO many Arsenal fans are still pissed our club paid £65 million for Havertz instead of buying a top class out & our striker. Like Isak if Newcastle! 🤛🏾
@@AZ10644 Isak is injury prone like Partey.
No he hasnt, Ben White, the 2 CBs, Rice, Odergaard, Saka and Trossard have all been better than him this season
You don’t know what you’re watching tbh mate
He's been great RECENTLY. He was so so poor during the first half of the season. Very reactionary. Also hes not in the top 5/6 players for us this season
James still wondering Havertz’s contribution in the team is surprising talk of a flip flopper 😂😂
He's genuinely pissing me off with those comments.
He still pines for Ramsdale. I respected his opinions last year because he does "tactical insight." However the more I listen to him now, I know he's just a fool every time he opens his mouth.
@creagle26 omds lol, which vid was he talking about ramsdale? I've noticed he says a lot of odd things too smh
His allways been a clown analysis, just like his foreheads
so according to james , a 6'4 cf who can be a direct outlet under high press ( liverpool & city) against a team that will likely press and ROMERO AND VAN DE VEN ( a pairing that kept next to ZERO clean sheets) will have fun with him when he already caused major damage to konate vvd dias and stones. i know im crazy i know but maybe there's a bit of an agenda especially when you call scoring two goals in a london derby "his job" ? nah im crazy im sure this is totally reasonable
I’ve been seeing and hearing a lot of confirmation bias from our supporters regarding Kai! I can understand about Chelsea because they want to prove to us that we bought a rubbish player, but I just don’t get it from our own fans
Maybe some commentators are Chelsea plants, just a thought
Havertz has what 14 goals 5 assist this season, that’s a 65m player, don’t know what more he can do
He would have 20 goals if he started at the 9 all season
He has 12 goals 5 assists
Yeah while jesus has 4 goals and 4 assist yet they still make him the more relevant player here lol
@@qwertyvypez I believe it’s 14 in all comps if I’m not mistaken
@@izaachcaprice-cole3820 I used transfermarket for his stats. Where did you see 14 goals?
I saw 11 league goals and 1 champions league goal
Jesus gets bullied for 90 minutes and you think Havertz shouldnt start when he gave Liverpool defenders a nightmare... Jesus is easier to deal with than Havertz.
Jesus is now a bench player in my opinion
Bullied by who?? U have a fish brain memory, for his stature he’s good in the air and strong on the ground. He doesn’t get bullied
Do you even know what bullied means? Jesus far far away from being bullied and is a handful with all the twisting and turning. Isn't reliable wit his finishing I agree
Nah. Havertz has better movement but Jesus is better with ball to feet. Wayyyyy more silky. Poor finishing though.
Last game tbf Havertz had some nice first touch pauses tho. But he definitely cant dribble like Jesus and have anywhere near the same flair
At this point of the season its trossard havertz and saka for me martanelli and jesus from the bench
The disrespect to kaii is madddd, their don’t get how important he is to our team
It's too much now
He’ll never be a focal point of a PL or CL Arsenal winning team. You obviously don’t watch football enough
@@ms7857 who will?
And he has already been a focal point of a CL winning team....
@@BigFrench-cb1hr I hate it when people get gassed about players that aren't at the team; the best is to support the ones we have
Turkish is to proud to accept that the reason he wants Harverts to start is because he is scoring the goals.
He can't behind the wages! It's pathetic. He is not the world mover but sure as hell , he is scoring the goals
Turkish out!
James your front 3 is so so bad lmao. Everything you said about Havertz at 9 was wrong. His hold up play is great compared to Trossard, he's way faster than him, his runs in behind are perfect for Spurs suicidal high line. Look at his goal in literally the last game wtf 💀Look at his stats and our stats with him at 9. Stop overthinking
Jesus on the LW? No bro he has no pace anymore. Trossard or Martinelli.
Havertz is not faster than Trossard lmao
Over more than 10m he 100% is
@permabulkenjoyer2002 Havertz is faster than Trossard. Have you seen Trossard make the runs and doesn't get far. Havertz is strong on his feet.
Man said Trossard in the middle like he's some tactico.
Give it a rest, Havertz down the middle works, so why change it? Geezer just scored two goals in the last match
@@permabulkenjoyer2002congratulations, you don't know ball
this much negative energy towards havertz when he is doing well....if he was playing for any other top football club their fanbases would have been singing their praises.
Tbf Havertz had pretty much been written off since his time in the premier league, 1st season with us and he has his best season, just saying.
This conversation was needed….really. You hated on havertz for crap reasons. Bringing up his wage now. And defending Jesus and zinny. What a sad and pathetic fake fans. Turkish is the worst out of the lot.
Absolute clowns
These guys still doubting Havertz is wild smh 🤦🏾♂️ COYG
I’m gonna come back to this. Havertz is bang average
@@ms7857: You back yet? Who won the game against Spurs today? Wallow in your self-delusion.
@@kulu3850 IM HERE. WE THE ARSENAL DID U PXSSIO. NO DELUSION, I GIVE PROPS WHERE ITS DUE. 🛎️ end
Arsenal’s Jorginho on Havertz: ‘If you know football, it’s not possible you don’t like Kai’
Cecil think he was a good player but then says Havertz isn't. there's a reason hes pro and you're not
He’s deluded and cringe
I agree with the spirit of your comment but not the logic......one can judge performances without being an active participant of the sports.
Turkish been saying Martinelli has a big part to play since mid way in the season. In theory it does suit his pace but trossard and havertz have been significantly better. I don’t see arteta changing it now when he’s been poor all season
Yeah, I’ve heard the “it’s his perfect game” line so many times. But regardless of that, he’s been very very poor, so it’s just not worth it for the sake of having a certain profile on the pitch
Can't wait to hear the updated take on Martinelli from Turkish after today's game. Martinelli on current form is lucky to be on the bench.
Trossard Havertz Saka there is no debate. The same team will bring the same winning result coyg
Jesus, when he starts sometimes he sort of slows down our attack
My team raya
Ben Saliba Gaby tommy
Martin Partey Rice
Saka Kai Trosard
That's the only line up that should be out there it's a no brainier
I’m not a huge Havertz fan either but the fact we could win the league and he could be our top scorer surely says a lot.
Man these Havertz discussions are getting bored. Support your player!!! The guy is having his best season in the prem while playing his first year at Arsenal. Can't even finish the video.
this is why James is only an aft analyst every time he talks nonsense
James irritates me when I see him and even worse when I hear him talk
Funny how you don’t mention that the first goal doesn’t happen without havertz.
I challenge everyone at AFTV to not spend 20 mins talking down on Havertz just because you don’t want to change your opinion on him and can Turkish please stop bringing up his wages when it’s not been reported by a reliable source to my knowledge, let it go man
Turkish talks about other people's pockets , mind your business and focus on football even the lowest paid in the squad has to deliver or do their job and Harvertz at this part of the season is doing their job
Trossard has to start. Martinelli has been shocking for well over a month.
Trossard will give us the final pass and goal.
Not saying you're wrong, but there is a point to playing Martinelli into form. His speed could be vital.
@@surabaya5927tired legs 60 mins
@ryanfinnerty6239 agreed. That's what I would do. But that would mean I am the manager, and I would have to select the starting 11, and to be honest, just the thought of having this responsibility freaks me out. 😀
These guys hype up martinelli trossard all day man
front three for me has to be trossard havertz and saka, then probably sub off saka at halftime or 70 min mark to rest him
What a sad and pathetic fanbase. Hating on someone who’s done way better then players who were good last season. Fake fans.
Havertz has been great this season but still think we need to go out and buy a top striker
Nonsense. Havertz is a top striker.
What clickbait rubbish man, is this even a debate? Havertz and Trossard just collecting receipts. The players that are scoring goals are the ones that should be on the pitch, if you have a conversion rate of less than 10% youre not in the conversation.
😂 click bait rubbish? Muppet
The suggestion that you have to start your highest paid player is braindead rationale. These Havertz agendas need to end. So boring. The team should be picked on merit and tactics. If he's suited to the task, pick him, if not, don't. Simple.
James is insane. Kai has been one of our best few players for months now. Dropping him in a game of this magnitude is ridiculous
If Arteta had listened to these world-class coaches, Spurs would have won, 2-1.
@@kulu3850 Yep. He and Saka have been our best attackers this season by far. To think he should be benched this game is nuts.
Standby Spurs for your biggest ever home defeat at your new Stadium 0 - 4 to Arsenal and the title is ours!
Can we trust u we r all nervous bro
@@user-xt4xy8sx3h yep like 1989 all over again - easier to beat spurs away than Liverpool by 2 clear goals!
Love the optimism👏👏👏👏 COYFG
Nah havertz is getting unnecessary hate! He’s scoring and performing at a good level.
I’m in agreement that we should and will still look to sign a top clinical striker BUT in our current squad havertz over Jesus all day long!
Doesn't matter how good or bad spurs have been , its a north London derby. Anything can happen.
Their havertz echo chamber has got them riddled
Drop Saka. What has he done to be graced with a start? Jesus or Fabio RW..
April fools day yet again?
Nelson Nketiah Fabio 🔥🔥🔥
@@ryanfinnerty6239 great idea. I call my fat, old friends from the pub league if they are in for it!
Asist on havertz
His presence alone takes 2 or more players away creating opportunities for the likes if Ben White
Just had to come back and register my disgust at James, Cecil, and Turkish. If Havertz did not play today, what would the score have been? 1-2. That's right, 1-2 Spurs. You have an agenda against him and Arteta. AFTV treats Havertz worse than Chelsea fans, and that's saying something. He has ignored all of you and is proving an exceptional addition to our team. By the way, THE GOAL FROM HAVERTZ WON THE GAME. Chew on that.
As a Villa fan please beat spurs for us
Lol
😂
As if😂
U should think of your statement. How have you helped arsenal this season. Are u not the reason arsenal is not sitting comfy in 1st position.
Beat Liverpool keep them down and out and that’s a deal mate
Jesus is technically brilliant, but i can't see if there is a place for him in this team. His goal ratio exclude him as a number nine, we've got better options on the wing and Havertz has occupied the false nine spot. That would leave him as a squad player, and i doubt he is content with that.
Isak has to come.
Konate,VanDijk,Dias,Ake couldnt keep up with Havertz combination of workrate and physique but you think Romero and VDV can? Come on James be serious.
Just say you want Trossard up front because he is more clinical . ..However,starting Jesus in LW takes away from the defensive cover for Tomiyasu as well as lack of clinicality.
If Havertz is to be dropped it has to be for Martinelli in LW but Havertz high-pressing in False9 is something Trossard cant really provide upfront.
Irrespective of all these, we MUST get a prolific striker , Havertz has still not been played in his best position/role- ShadowStriker/Raumdeuter e.g Kanu,Muller.
These guys think just because martinelli is quick it makes him a great footballer, his footballing brain is so poor and he’s decision making is always so bad
He was arsenals best finisher by a mile last season. He's struggling a bit this season, but that's probably because of how right heavy arsenals moves are. It's up to Arteta to get the left involved more. And I think that'll start next season. But, also keep in mind, martinelli scores big goals against big clubs. Liverpool, Manchester city - arsenal won those games because of martinelli
@@fangdog29 he was but this season he has been poor, I’m sorry but we can’t keep saying the left hand side hasn’t been good, that’s got nothing to do with his decision making when he keeps looking down and running
always talking about Havertz and hate he does more than jesus every game. Jesus has been crap the whole season but u want him to start u guys are joke men
Because he is a big game player, Kai is not. Unfortunate facts.
Facts lol has Jesus scored in a CL final? Play Kai
@@ryanfinnerty6239: Who won the game today? Small game, huh?
@@kulu3850 I’ll eat my cake. Havertz monsterclass
Let’s be real the only reason you don’t see the havertz game is because in the back of the mind you still think Chelsea. Get over it. He has been excellent! He has been central to our game and has surpassed many people’s expectations and he could of crumbled at the beginning when so many people were not supporting him when they should of. This rhetoric needs to end at aftv, he’s class.
Where is Box to Box Turkish? I have checked for it a million times in the last 24 hrs. BIG UP to all of you for all this work. Love it❤
This is why none of you is the manager. I know these are your opinions but saying Havertz isn’t effective shows your football knowledge. James amazes me because I thought his football knowledge is quite good but his view on Havertz has shocked me. Review our win rate with Havertz in the team compared to Jesus. Get over the price tag because he’s been one of our best and consistent performers when he’s been played upfront.
James is over complicating football..just go with same as win on chelsea
I agree with Turkish here, Haverts should start, but not because he's the highest payed player . He's done enough recently to justify it and he's getting stronger each game. If it clicks in his head to bury those chances that he has squandered ,mainly through self-doubt then this will be a major confidence buiding season for him . He'd have to really start burying those chances to convince anyone that we dont need a top striker .I think we do need a top striker no matter the outcome as I think Jesus has had his chances as a striker & his injury problems. Still a great player though.
Jesus hasn't peaked yet, he is getting to that level of maximising he,s potential. Martinelli is a striker playing in the wing. Havertz is in between striker/ 10. Jesus been injured a lot again if he gets injured again then sign a striker in January. It's not like players don't wanna come to us cause by January we,re in the champions league
Odegaard is the highest paid player. Get your facts right.
Kai is actually the highest on 280k, followed by Jesus on 265k, and then Martin on 240k.
Not my money. I don't give a damn.
It’s Kai Harvets
Martin deserves the most, captain and player of the season. No doubt. COYFG 💪👍👏👏👏👏
This aged well AFTV need to run an apology video dedicated to King Kai !
Who thinks Kai will score 20+ league goals next season
They can’t see what everyone else sees in havertz but yet you still want Jesus to start lol, I’m sure he said that for reaction reasons only, I’m an Arsenal fan since 2002, I liked Jesus at city and was happy that we signed him but since this season I don’t even want to see him back in the starting 11 again.
I agree on the long term next season , we need a real striker, but I m so confused by James’ thought , Havertz up front has been working so far , so why not give it a try for these last 4 games
Not James' best ever camio. I like him but here he's wrong.
This will be my team because of who we play against and the tactics they'll employ:
Raya
White Saliba Gabriel Tomiyasu
Partey Rice Odegaard
Saka Havertz Martinelli
That high line by Spurs has to be explored right from kickoff.
I do see it. If the original plan was Havertz in the midfield, fck that! Scrap that plan and go back to the drawing board! Get me that midfielder, it's much more important than any striker. Games are won and lost in the midfield, all our games this year when we didn't win was the midfield didn't perform well enough (Havertz there) more than the attack missing or defense botch job.
Also James is wrong about the off-season plans. Arsenal still is going to sign a striker but they are going after a cheaper option instead of wasting half the budget on one. As of late Havertz has probably been the 3rd or
4th best player on the team. If I was Arsenal I would look for a winger with pace to maybe replace Saka.
I reaaaaally think only change would be trossard to martinelli to take advantage of spurs naive high press
James B., I think that Mike Tyson got it correct about pre-contest plans, saying that all fighters had plans that would only last until the first punch on the nose!
Is this a late April fools joke? The Havertz hate is unfair.. Been a top player for us this season. It would have been good to see them supporting him before a big game..
What's Turkish and Havertz's wage ..
Talking about Harvetz neeeds to play because his wages. Why dont mention Jesus and Partey on massive wages almost similar but cant stay fit. Just always Harvetz agenda
Why is Cecil wearing a Christmas sweater and raggedy sweatpants?
Honestly the lack of ball knowledge at AFTV is just boring now. James likes to pretend he understands tactics but yet doesn’t understand Havertz has been one of our best players this year 😂😂😂
This year or this season?
@@flamboyentpromotions3471 I would say this year, since January he’s been the best out of the front 3.
At the start of season he had some struggles adapting to a new team and playing a new position, although the rest of the team also struggled to pick out his runs and feed him the ball quick enough.
@@Kovacs901 hes been interchanging tho hasnt he? So which front 3 are u referring to? I think hes done well but not better than Trossard really or Saka tbh. An the point they were making is that Havertz can't be used as an excuse not to buy a striker
Zinchenko messes up our defensive line all the time, it’s frustrating.
Weirdly critical about a team that was sensational 5 days ago. Hope the players are more positive
Honestly James becomes more insufferable by the day. The bloke takes himself way too seriously.
People will soon realize that there’s no quality striker available. Isak is not leaving, plus he’s injury prone.
I want to see Havertz rested for this game , hes played alot of minutes
There's absolutely zero proof that Kai Havertz is the highest paid player at The Arsenal. There's plenty of speculation, but nobody has ever seen his contract and/or photograph of said wages total.
Also, James has either misread the story of what we are supposed to be going for in the summer or he's deliberately misleading others. The story said that Arsenal are thought to be changing their striker requirements due to the impact that Havertz is having. This is more than likely to mean we could be changing our targets for the front man position instead of not looking for a striker altogether.
Keep Havertz at 9 and see what happens at this point. He looks like he's better there. It is up to him to prove it. Let's be real. He was not cutting it at the 8. We need another DM and LB. We do not have a left footed LB. That's bananas. That would be my priority in the transfer window.
Unchanged, at this point it’s just about holding your nerve and winning. Just glad parteys back in at this vital stage because as we look a more complete, fluid and more importantly, scary side with him it
I'm preparing to enjoy the HAPPIEST st. Totteringham's day!...😅😅😅 COYG!!!
Trossard starts, Martinelli impact sub at 60 mins. Either way: We WIN!! UTA
That's why we should go for Palmer and Toney.....make a statement.....sell all the rest Cedric, el neny, Eddie, nelson, viera
Martinelli is striker and I think next season we will not sign striker particularly when we have Jesus martinelli Havertz. I think if reis Nelson leaves then we will sign a winger to cover Martinelli trossard and saka. If Jesus gets injured again we will probably break the bank for a striker... I pray he doesn't get injured again. We could've won the league if the ref had better game against Newcastle and West ham
Havertz is currently our most effective forward player. He's got the belligerence needed and is technically there though he's timing is a bit off. Saka, trossard , jesus can let you down if all doesn't come together. Havertz won't.
Turkish... has watched all of arsenal games this season and he has to be open-minded to reshape an opinion which was formed apriori. That lack of flexibility makes him incoherent.
Havertz links the play from a number 9 position and he does his defensive part as well out of possession. From that perspective he is better than Haaland. Does he have that fantastic pace? No? Did Denis Bergkamp? No? But the pace came from Ian Wright, Anelka and Henry. We have pace on the wings and its important that the front three rotate positions without losing shape. As long as we pass and move and interchange quickly Spurs will not have a clue how to defend that and when they do it will be too late and if we can get a couple of goals up maybe we then play counter attack with 11 behind the ball coz Spurs don't like low blocks.
they say this is one of the biggest games of the season for us, and spurs, but are doubthing Havertz the player that scored the winning goal in the champions league and a double versus chelsea, go back to the art of football courses that you done as you have failed
The pressure is off Tottenham in this game. However Arsenal HAVE to win
How is the pressure off? The CL is on the line for them. I call that pressure
Tottenham Man Utd and Everton ⚽️🥅 won the league at Tottenham and utd 💯🔴 last game of the season won the double against Everton funny how we have to play these teams it’s a blessing in deguise 🔴💯🏆
Here he goes again, bloody accountant
Really agree with people on here, who said havetz is the highest paid player?
Crazy to think Arsenal not signing a striker because of Havertz. I love Kai but this is foolish to me. I've backed him and want him to succeed but he hasn't worked in many games and a whole season at Chelsea up front. I think hes better as a CAM/ false nine but whilst his movment, positioning and touch is great he is not clinical. If we don't go for a striker then its madness to me.. Jesus can play on the wings, ESR & Vieria can play in MF - we need a replacment for Partey that and a striker is priority for me.
Havertz is a better player, he don’t slow down the pace or tempo of the game. Jesus holds the ball too long. All these aftv people can’t seems to analyse ffs. Remember the Aston Villa game, it was all bcos Jesus starts. He wasted chances and did not pass the ball quicker.
Cecil doesn't understand football, I will stop watching AFTV this guy is ignorant..... After everything Havertz is doing he's still questioning his contribution???
Arteta to drop havertz ??????
FFS 🤦🏽♂️ I’m getting sick of you all on about Havertz every week it’s boring now.
This is one match Spurs have been waiting for, I don't see Arsenal beating this Spurs team and I'm sure the ref /VAR will be suspect today!
If we let spurs dictate the pace then it may difficult for us to find our rythm. But let the ball do the work, keep it 2/3 touch max......and be positive and win your 1 v 1s and if we are not winning those battles make substitutions early.......no regrets!
I wouldnt change nothing. Why would we. Jesus and martinelli off the bench is a threat. I under stand what james is saying but when you change and dont work we look at the manager he keeps it the same from a 5 nil win with havwrts scoring 2 and trossard 1 it goes wrong its the players but its the managers choice cause we have the players
Cecil I like your outfit I didn't know you supported Crystal Palace
Always talking about his wages 😂Turkish has no other excuses😂. These guys have their favourite players and if they see their fav player not starting they are not happy. Someone pls tell these guys it's a team game not a individual
10:00 Cecil, being the host of the piece means that _you_ shut up and let the others talk. You asked Turkish a question, and then carried on talking for 30 seconds (!) and never gave him the chance to reply.
"What do you want to do, because this is what I think..." is not the way to do it, brother.