My favorite scene is when he finds out the truth. It feels like youre going insane with him because at the start you're like "no way, they're just trying to make him feel crazy" and by the end of that scene it's like you come to terms with the facts that he's the patient and he's crazy
That part was really well done too. Usually it's obvious when a movie is headed towards a reveal like that, where the character can't tell what's real and then the truth is different than they thought, but this one was well hidden until the end
oh my soul I literally did the same thing I refused to believe the truth. I was like "nah they're lying, he is a cop man, they just trying to make him crazy" only after I saw Chuck did I slowly accept it.
I read the book and when I read the ending I was like no. So I read it again right away and on the second read through I started picking up on things that made me go damn he was the crazy one the whole time
because you were going crazy. They tricked you in believing the government/hospital story, like they tried to with teddy daniels. Pretty brilliant move of Martin Scorsese
You know what will make you feel a little more crazy? They supposedly released a maximum concern patient throughout an asylum with heightened levels of accessibility, supposedly knowing he's on a manhunt for the guy who killed his wife. Not only that, but he believes his partner came from a different place than where he actually came from. Weird little detail given, (if I'm not mistaken) it doesn't add at all to the mental illness plot, but would strongly support that they coordinated an insider to replace them, as well as started drugging him with partners cigarettes. Plus everyone in a desolate mental asylum was a great actor, half of which eluding to his military service fighting the Nazis in some way or another? Like yeah he told them those details, but the experiment was supposed to let him discover the reality, didn't have to constantly elude to his past as a soldier
Every scene consisting of water resembled the reality. While on the other hand, the scenes which had fire in them were a part of Teddy's hallucinations. Part reason why Teddy was sick of water was because he was unwilling to accept the reality.
The two most significant symbols of the movie are fire and water. Fire is representative of the alternate reality that Teddy is in. Whenever there is fire or smoke around, that generally means that Teddy is hallucinating and very far from reality. For example, when Teddy is in the cave with the campfire and what he believes is Rachel Solando, it is a hallucination. Another example is when he blows up the car and there is a large plume of fire, he has a hallucination of his wife and daughter. One other example is the fact that Teddy’s wife died in a fire, when in actuality Laeddis killed his wife. Water is representative of reality and the truth. It seems that whenever water is nearby, he gets closer to reality. For example, the large storm that blows in is keeping him on the island which will lead him to the truth. Another example is of the water that seems to drip from everywhere is his dreams and throughout his entire adventure through the movie. This is all showing that he is getting closer to the truth. Dolores drowned their children, so water shows what really happened instead of thinking that his wife died in a fire, the opposite of water. So fire and water are representative of the theme of exploring reality in that they are physically opposite and they represent the opposing sides between reality and fantasy.
Yes also a lot of times in the movie someone seems to glitch in a way while drinking water, while he had interrogated the women, the water she drank was off
@@robogreek3157 George intentionally introduced Teddy to fire to trigger his psychotic breakdown. He constantly fed Andrew conspiracy theories for his fantasy.
(Spoilers) The most devastating scene is towards the end where the main character is finally lucid (the experiment worked) but he fakes he's still insane bc he cant live with himself and opts for a lobotomy rather than face reality.
Yeah even the scene where the weird creepy old lady does the shush thing. At first, you think its just a creepy scene to set the tone of the movie, but on 2nd viewing, you realize she was just told by the doctors to shut up and not talk to Teddy so she is just doing the same thing
I started waffling on "Is he crazy or not?" when he thought he saw the other marshal's body at the bottom of the cliff and how strange it was that a patient would make it to a cave on a cliff and what was she eating? But I still thought they were just screwing with him by putting drugs in his system. Adding the apparently sinister character of the German doctor was genius, because you immediately suspect him as an escaped Nazi doctor.
I thought it was odd that 'Rachel' said she moved around in the daytime and found a new place to sleep at night. Plus, there sure were a lot of rats that came out of that cave.
i actually did just that. i watched it around 10 years ago and completely forgot about the twist. well, my brain probably didn't want to ruin the fun so i kinda didn't want to think strongly about it before re watching it. Wasn't even sure if i watched it at all before i fired it up. the fact that it is done so well also helps - miss a few clues and you'd believe "teddy" up until that lighthouse meeting, even on a second run
I also love the interrogation scene where Teddy snaps at the pasient after torturing him with the pencil scratching. Chuck/Lester then calms Teddy down and actually signals all the surrounding guards/nurses that he has his patient under control.
Another interesting background detail is when Teddy/Andrew is interviewing all the Orderlies, Chuck/Lester is seen in the background talking to one of the other Orderlies. They appear to be talking about Teddy/Andrew and that made me very sus upon first viewing
Just watched the movie today for the first time. Now I feel everyone is trying to mess with me... and youtube is in on it. Edward Daniels is not crazy.
I believe in the same thing. Everyone is saying all sorts of things about how "Water induces past memories" and how Teddy was really crazy. But if you delve deeper, you find out that the story, in which a Cop (teddy) tries to bust an illegally operating Mental facility, and the facility instead proves him to be crazy to get out of the way, makes a lot of sense. Just tell me, Why would a mental patient locked inside a facility for murders, have a deep knowledge of Hydrogen Bombs? Why does the migraines and the delusions only start after teddy starts taking the Pills, The cigarettes and the food? Why does the patient tell teddy to RUN, for no particular reason, other than saving him from him going insane? Also, why does George Noyce tell Teddy to not go after Laeddis, and instead escape the island? Also, The theory of Chuck/Lester and Teddy not meeting on deck can be explained by various reasons, like chuck/lester being picked up on another port, or lester being deliberately planted on the ship to make teddy feel he is actually crazy. I can see a connection here. Teddy can actually be a cop who is trying to bust Shutter Island. However, the government got a smell of his ideas, and instead did a "Gotcha" to get him out of their way. Historicaly putting, this actually makes a lot of sense too, taking into account Cold war tactics that USA adopted. What do you say?
@@maddy8186 Read the book man, he was supressing what he and his wife had done, she killed their kids and set an apartment on fire, and he ended up killing her. at the end he is brought back to reality just prefers to die (be lobotomi9zed) than continue liveing in a cell with those toughts.
One other early clue is when they first look into Rachel's room and Chuck/Lester brings up the fact that all patients have 2 pairs of shoes but it's obvious they are Mens shoes he holds up (Andrew's and not 'Rachel's).
I never noticed that before! Thanks. Did you notice that when the Captain of the Guards is out searching and LD's character asks "What about those caves down there?" The CotG replies "No way could she get down there...You said yourself Marshall, she's got no shoes." Then LD nods. Go back to the scene in Rachel's room; firstly the CotG wasn't there so how does he know that? Secondly (and most importantly) it wasn't LD's character that said that it was Chuck/Lester! This is a classic psychological manipulation technique. They have implanted a thought in his mind and then later convinced him that he came up with that thought himself, hence making it believable!
I couldn't have said it better myself. Personally, I've had enough of all these big franchise movies (Ok, I'll admit it, Star Wars is still close to my heart, even though the sequel trilogy was a turd), they rely more on the franchise itself (established characters and so forth) more than the art of moviemaking if you catch my drift. Nothing really touches me to the core anymore.
well, a good movie like this is real hard work and it takes talent and skill. those things are very hard to come by today in any industry but especially in the movies. why? because the audience either doesn't care or is too stupid to acknowledge a masterpiece. probably both. if people would only want to watch masterpieces like this, they'd try to make them.
One more hint Teddy said that those are electrified perimeter and when Chuck asked how did you know he replied "I have seen something like that before"
Go to the part where he questions the old woman (Mrs kearnes) he asked her about Doctor sheehan and she makes direct eye contact with chuck ( doctor sheehan)
Watching it back is really a whole new experience. Not just seeing all the clues that he’s not an officer, but seeing how he treats the other patients when he believes he’s a cop. He’s acting exactly how they do in movies. He’s overly aggressive, rude, sarcastic, and thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room. But on the second viewing you can see just how much he’s pretending, and doing a genuinely bad job of it.
He blocked out seeing her drink the glass of water, until it was empty. This is because water represents the Truth, and he could not bear to witness it, symbolized by him not seeing the water
It is underrated and slighty misunderstood. At the end setting on the steps, Andrew realizes hes to far gone. He accepts he cant beat his nightmares and he kills himself. I argued with my whole family who thought he went back.into the loop. Hahaha. Masterpiece...
Okay. But he was there investigating experiments. the ending concludes that he was right about them doing experiments. And he continued his investigation by playing along with their constructed narrative
@@samueltromp2369 lobotomies were no experiment in those times, they were an accepted practice it seems. wiki says "roughly 60,000 lobotomies were performed in the United States and Europe in the 2 decades after the procedure was invented" hardly an "experiment". those did come way before.
@@samueltromp2369 lobotomy also make u a living vegetable lmao so giving patients lobotomy’s to make them soldiers is completely unreasonable when u actually think about it
As Teddy walks from the bathroom on the boat to meet Chuck, you see a handcuff hanging open that was secured to the ceiling. That was definitely how they secured him while the meds wore off.
It was the only ferry to and from the Island and they brought crazy people, there was more than one set of restraints in that room.Also if he was handcuffed he would have bruising around his wrist.
Him fumbling with his gun in the beginning didn't give up the whole twist. what they gave up was that something is wrong ( just like when the movie started and he was just meeting his partner for the first time) and us as the audience needs to watch to find out. what it is that makes this movie so great is you will not find out until the end no matter how good you are at picking apart movies. not on the first try at least. 🤔
Maybe it was just another his imagination ? The conversation never ever took place anywhere just like the conversation between him and the doctor (the 'real' Rachel Solando). He attacked George Noyce before and for that, his mind create another storyline to think that 'someone' hurt him.
They said in the movie the ferry is the only way to and from the island, and given that it's for mental patients ofc they will have handcuffs and rooms for the mental, if it was an elaborate role play to help Teddy realize that he was andrew, why would they send him on a wild goose chase to find Rachel when they were just going to say they mysteriously get a nurse to play the role, what was the point of that, so he can interrogate people needlessly? What did rachel say that was unusual, complained about the food. Ok say he was crazy and imagained all that, he is on the cliff desperate to get to the lighthouse and the Dr leaves him? and then Crowley said he came by himself, how would that help the patient at all. George Noyce conversation he got out once where he supposedly met of Teddy and found out about shutter island, let's say it was all a lie, what does it mean that I'm back here because of you, how did Teddy get him back to shutter island if he was always there? Why is George so scared of the lighthouse? Real Rachel, if she was imaginary or not, they say you are crazy, there is no defense, and everyone thinks Teddy is crazy by the end.
My take on this, Teddy actually exists. * from the first scene Teddy felt sick & lost his cigarettes that he sworn was on his pocket. Chuck joked about officers stealing cigarettes so he offered him his. Manipulation begins. * Shutter Island, from the name itself, I believe is a big take away. "Shutter" they did everything to keep their wicked Institution from being exposed * Rachel Solando actually exists, the character's deep knowledge about the field of psychology was too detailed to be just a fantasy * When Teddy reached the office of Dr. Cawley, after they had the confrontation he already prepared the paperworks and his board about anagrams to feed him all their lies and made up stories * Teddy knowlingly went with the orderlies so he can finally go to the Lighthouse and see for himself what is going on there even if there's a chance of being Lobotomized thus he said his last lines about dying as a good man or living as a monster * Dr. Sheehan called him Teddy on the last scene that son of a bitch I believe Shutter Island really does experiments on people who have been traumatized on their past and seeing that Teddy is on the very edge of exposing their anomalies, they did an experiment on him by role-playing and manipulation, triggering he's past trauma and feeding him with lies and false situations for him to self-destruct and imprison him so he never exposes the Shutter Island's dark truth.
i had to read the book twice to understand the story and i remember telling a friend that Shutter Island could never be made into a movie. i saw the brilliant movie twice also.
I don’t understand why they act like he did something so terrible. The wife kills his children. He snaps and kills his wife. Why is he being treated like the villain?
Plot twist: The ruse was done the other way around! Teddy Daniels is Teddy Daniels! They brainwashed him into believing he his Andrew Laeddis, and are performing lobotomies at the lighthouse in that last scene.
I'm a fan of the alternate theory that he dug to deep and this place set up a scenario where he'd be brought out since he was already looking into the place to begin with and then they proceed with the elaborate plan to make him go crazy and doubt his reality so they can call him crazy and keep him from finding out the truth. There's tons of reasons behind that theory and there's a video that PolterGibbst did and it makes way too much sense. They used his past to make him look and go crazy just like the real Rachel (The Doctor in the cave) said. They're doing Nazi experiments in secret and Teddy got to close so they had to silence him without outright making him disappear so that if anyone looked into it, they'd just think he was nuts from his service in WW2 and the atrocities he saw the Nazis commit.
You could also view it as them trying to gaslight him into believing he was someone he wasn't. The point of this movie was more about the death of the ego, or who you actually believe you really are. In the end he came to understand that he had to pick one or the other and instead chose to pick the one in which he was a hero. I still think he was actually Teddy because at the end when he gets up to essentially accept his death, Dr.Sheehan called him Teddy in an attempt to make him stop, while it was clear that he(Teddy) was aware of both personalities then. That never made sense. If he was aware that he was both Andrew and Teddy why call him out to him with his supposedly "fake" name?
It’s not a theory , want a simple explanation.. watch the cave scene again . She explains what is happening, also she is still there when he wakes up specifically to show anyone paying attention that he’s not hallucinating
He could have just as logically been Teddy. The movie never proves one side or the other. The only solid clue I saw, is when his cigarettes are missing and the ice pic, meaning he is Teddy
I wish the movie had a few more upbeat scenes between Chuck and Teddy earlier on it would have made me care more about the characters and want Teddy to be right
I think one can still argue that they were the ones who made him crazy. Dr. Rachel describes how they create perfect spies and soldiers through medications and lobotomies and how they erase your memories. Towards the beginning/middle of the movie, some of the patients allude to elements of Laeddis’ story, such as the patient Rachel when she meets Teddy. They could have orchestrated everything to implant false memories in Teddy and push him to take on the identity of an insane man. I mean- he’s the perfect canvas for them, being a war vet. He becomes more violent and unhinged towards the end of the movie, which could make him an effective and dangerous tool should they choose to deploy him against government enemies.
Then why did George noyce said it's mind games and they were doing experiments . The doctors, nurses and warden could act , why did George noyce want to act ? What was the need ?
I would agree with Pirate Collector. While patients in Wards A and B were being coached to take part in the grand ruse revolving around Teddy/Laeddis, the patients segregated in Ward C, which was supposed to be off limits, may not have been included. I think Noyce is the key to understanding who Teddy is. Teddy's story about how he came to find out about the mysterious Ashcliffe Hospital by meeting a patient who had been there, namely, George Noyce, probably was true and not something Teddy came up with as part of his fantasy of denial. So, Noyce met Laeddis/Teddy when Laeddis was still a U.S. Marshall, before Laeddis killed his wife and went insane. They sort of became friends during that time, according to a remark Noyce makes during his and Laeddis' confrontation in Ward C. So he very well may have known something about Laeddis' personal life-that he had a wife and three children. And later, when he found himself back on Shutter Island, he may have learned, through the grapevine or from hospital staff, about the subsequent circumstances of Laeddis' crime. The book and the movie are silent about this. But Noyce shows deep insight into Laeddis/Teddy's mind when he tells him, "You can't dig out the truth and kill Laeddis at the same time. You have to make a choice." Because if the identity of Laeddis dies altogether, only the fantasy world of Teddy will remain.
The experiment worked, sadly, Andrew didn't want to live with the reality and opted for the lobotomy instead to live out his life as a docile, kind person again.
What I love is the Very End. When Chuck asks him what they’re gonna do? And he ACTS like he’s still in his delusion. If you’re good on picking up hidden messages you’ll understand that he wasn’t slipping back into is psychosis. For 1 he said “What would be worse chuck”? “To Live as a monster, or to die as a good Man”? And when the psychiatrist says the character name “Teddy” Andrew doesn’t answer! Because he WANTED them to Lobotomise him! He just Could NOT live with the fact his Wife killed his Children and that he also Murdered her!! Sad 😢
Bro this movie is about crazy people and the movie itself, in how it's made, will fill your mind up with so much duality that it makes u crazy aswell. Like THIS IS THE FIRST TIME A MOVIE DID THIS FOR ME AND IM SO FUCKING THRILLED
Anyone thought Shutter Island was similar to Inception? EDITED: 1. Both Leo are inside their "twisted" mind, dealing with alternate realities. 2. Both Leo led their wives to become lost in their mind, and dying. 3. Both Leo couldn't escape their guilt for the death of their wives. 4. Both Leo had kids that they couldn't be with. 5. Both Leo were able to find their way back from their "twisted" mind. 6. Leo usually dies in his movies, but they both survived (a bit of joke, but true).
@@baliyae Examples: 1. Both Leo are inside their "twisted" mind, dealing with alternate realities. 2. Both Leo led their wives to become lost in their mind, and dying. 3. Both Leo couldn't escape their guilt for the death of their wives. 4. Both Leo had kids that they couldn't be with. 5. Both Leo were able to find their way back from their "twisted" mind. 6. Leo usually dies in his movies, but they both survived (a bit of joke, but true).
I wish I had seen this movie without knowing anything. TikTok featured the sound of him asking where the kids were and my internet search took me to wiki /facepalm
Do you think that was there for him? Or is it possible that the cuffs are there because the ferry would sometimes be taking prisoners to and from the island so they just have cuffs on there as standard operating procedure?
@@alexscott1257 seems like they use that for prisoners they ferry over to the island but i dont think they did that for him. He was probably sedated when they brought him up to the ship so that he could restart his fantasy, it seems most likely that it was there as an initial hint about what was to come.
@@michaellai7101 It's so hard to tell in this movie what is real and what is in his imagination or what is used as a symbolic narrative device (this of course is the whole point!) Have you ever considered the possibility that both possibilities exist in the movie; i.e that he is insane and also that he was brainwashed? There is plenty of evidence for both sides and whatever happened to LD's character in the movie the fact remains that under the MK Ultra programme everything that is discussed in the film actually happened to real people in the USA (and other places) during the 1950s, 60s and 70s.
Everyone commenting is a moron. He wasn't crazy, he was framed to be crazy. The Dr in the cliffs told him the truth and so did his "partner" during the night scene when they were sheltering from the storm. He got too close to exposing them so they lured him in and setup the perfect scenario with his past to make sure he could never leave.
Everyone is saying all sorts of things about how "Water induces past memories" and how Teddy was really crazy. But if you delve deeper, you find out that the story, in which a Cop (teddy) tries to bust an illegally operating Mental facility, and the facility instead proves him to be crazy to get out of the way, makes a lot of sense. Just tell me, Why would a mental patient locked inside a facility for murders, have a deep knowledge of Hydrogen Bombs? Why does the migraines and the delusions only start after teddy starts taking the Pills, The cigarettes and the food? Why does the patient tell teddy to RUN, for no particular reason, other than saving him from him going insane? Also, why does George Noyce tell Teddy to not go after Laeddis, and instead escape the island? Also, The theory of Chuck/Lester and Teddy not meeting on deck can be explained by various reasons, like chuck/lester being picked up on another port, or lester being deliberately planted on the ship to make teddy feel he is actually crazy. I can see a connection here. Teddy can actually be a cop who is trying to bust Shutter Island. However, the government got a smell of his ideas, and instead did a "Gotcha" to get him out of their way. Historicaly putting, this actually makes a lot of sense too, taking into account Cold war tactics that USA adopted. What do you say?
I still say that he wasn't actually insane and that the doctors of shutter Island Drugged him and convinced him he was a patient when he really wasn't. He has been investigating that facility and its doctors before arriving so it makes sense that they'd want him "dealt with". Killing him would have just made them look more suspicious and drawn attention to them so they instead made it look like he had a mental breakdown and needed to be treated there.
Really, this is what you think is really the true story? This movie is great because 99% of people still don't know what the movie is about. He never killed anyone, he was drugged by his cigs, they knew on the Island he was coming to shut their Post-Nazi mind control system down, so they slowly convince him he's a nut job all the time feeding him small Doses of mind altering drugs. It's got a double twist that most people can't see because they think the twist is he's a patient of the Island, which he isn't.
No. They lied to Teddy. He was a real US marshal, they started to medicate his tea and cigarette and then gradually manipulated his own memories. The clue is when he meets the escaped psychologist up in the cave. Teddy is unable to hallucinate about her in his "memories" because he has never seen her before, as he has never been on the island before. Notice that all his hallucinations involve his own family, whose memory he already had, and thus could be manipulated. But he has never seen the psychologist before, he has no memory of her, and therefore the drug is unable to induce hallucinations involving her. Remember, the German doctor is a war criminal who lied to immigration, the director (Ben Kingsley) is enjoying a lifestyle far above his means, they had a vested interest that Teddy never leaves the island.
Not to mention, at the end, Ben Kingsley tries to imply that the storm is part of Leonardo DiCaprio's delusion. Except, the storm ACTUALLY happened. It's everyone else in the movie who talks about the storm, NOT Leonardo DiCaprio. The only time he mentions it is during the scene where Ben Kingsley asks him about continuing the investigation even after he said it was over and he replies that there's no way they're going to be able to leave the island with the weather as bad as it was. The staff even has a meeting talking about the hurricane and what to do with the patients WITHOUT him present. Why would they do that if the storm was part of his delusion? No, the storm and all its effects are real and they're trying to make him believe he's crazy so he doesn't expose the experiments going on at the facility.
Yess thank you. Yeah totally Gaslight island. Also his conversation with George Noice. And why would that patient have written in Teddys book to RUN? If it were the case that Teddy was actually a patient there the whole time, Doctor Cawly is a super manipulative doctor. Cuz he kept saying purposely confusing things. Telling him he doesbt have a partner. And then asking about his partner. And then saying "baby why are you all wet?" Which is super weird to say to your patient.
@grimsquad273 He implies it's part of his delusion during the scene at the lighthouse at the end, when Leonardo Dicaprio insists he's Edward Daniels and Ben Kingsley interrupts him. "I've been hearing this fantasy for two years now. I know every detail. Patient 67. THE STORM. Rachel Solando. Your missing partner. The dreams you have every night." [emphasis mine]
I missed all these but clicked that he was a patient when he’s given an aspirin in a little medication container shortly after arriving at shutter island and getting a headache
Personally, I prefer to interpret the film as Teddy not actually being insane and instead that the asylum actually is a human testing ground for Nazis; Poltergibbst has a great video going over this theory.
One of my biggest issues is how did he not regonize his thearpy even to the very end of the movie he never treats chuck like he knows him for 2 years how can he be hella smart and not recognize somone he seen for 2 years
The movie starts in almost a dream like state… We never see where the journey began on that ferry. How does Teddy just lose his cigarettes and lighter? He doesn’t, much like when you’re dreaming you’re placed into situations without understanding. This was the beginning of his delusion as a field Marshall.
pretty hard to not get brainwashed by the hospital staff. I mean mind control/ mk ultra isn't a joke, like you can witness with the amount of comments that fell for it. Brilliant movie Martin Scorsese
I give this movie an award for brilliant script and performances one of my all time favorites on a list may videos of great ones continue for a long time .
I strongly disagree. I've watched this movie heaps. I watched it as a kid in the cinema when it came out. I think it is a masterpiece, however I also am strongly convinced Teddy isn't "Andrew". There is actually more hard evidence to suggest Teddy is being experimented on as a test subject, and as a means to get rid of him as a nosy investigator than there is to say he is Andrew Dr Naehring. Clearly ex nazi. Given his speciality he likely worked at Dachau too. Operation paperclip wouldn't pick up such a smart ex nazi just to make them a therapist on some island. The warden is clearly military iltelligence. Probably colonel level. The deputy warden knows federal codes way too well, to the point he can number list the rule that gives prison staff authority over visiting federal staff. The priming and programming of Teddy. They put him in a bed under a leaky pipe so he wakes up covered in water. He has to swim to the lighthouse so he arrives wet. They put him in a room with the fake Rachel (she's a nurse) and she hugs him and does this whole charade to traumatise and bond with teddy. This rachel supposedly killed her kids by drowning them. The Dr leaves Teddy alone to climb down the cliffs. The warden picks teddy up the next morning ( if andrew was their most dangerous patient, no way would he be allowed to go off by himself) The "real" rachel solando "hallucination" is very different to teddy's other hallucinations. She's not dressed weirdly, and she unlike the other awake hallucinations makes phischal contact with him when she wakes him up. Dr cawley says at the lighthouse (hilariously), "WHy you all wet, baby?" But In the "flashback" "Andrew" says, " baby, why are you all wet?" Firstly, the line is different. Secondly, Cawley claims that teddy violently refuses to acknowledge that he is Andrew, thereby if the "Baby, why are you all wet" was a true statement, how would Cawley know any of those words? Teddy wouldn't tell him and admit to them. Infers that it's more priming and implanting false memories. Frankly, the original novels ending is the boring "he was Andrew all along". But scorsese decided to make it much more ambiguous. I've seen this film many times. I think there is a stronger, but much more horrifying argument that Teddy is their experiment. They're running experiments in how to change how people's minds work. Perfect experiment to see if they can convince somebody that they are somebody else. ANd the ending, "better to lvie as a monster or die a good man", isn't "andrew" taking a psychological suicde via lobotomy. It's Teddy firstly invalidating Cawley's psychological research and experiment (Which cawley when you see his response is unhappy about), and it's teddy's last F you, I wont end up one of your monsters. If you watch it again, watch it with this in mind. Even look at how Shehan and cawley act in the lighthouse. They create a false urgency. Like "you need to be cured in the next 5 minutes".
Well said! I'm totally with you bro, same thoughts for most parts! Especially when Cawley was confronting Teddy then he showed photos of the drowned kids. Teddy then said, he never had a baby girl... Just like what Solando says in the cave, that she's being accused of drowning her kids when she never even had kids. Freaking Shutter Island aye
Yes, Patrica Clarkston's character in the cave is real and what she says is true. She never says her name is Rachel, Teddy does and she doesn't bother to correct him. She only calls him Marshall she doesn't talk to him like a patient. No way they would keep supplying him cigarettes if he burnt his wife. The cigarettes are drugged. Kingsley has a explaination for everything except her, he jumps when Teddy mentioned her but their is no matching avatar for her or her elaborate take on the island, she is real. They wanted to know what Teddy knows that's why they did all of this he knows too much that why they want to lobotomize him so bad. They don't do all this for every patient. Why is Teddy/ Andrew so special. Why is it so important that he must forget the cop persona, all because he is violent, in a mental institution, no way. This movie is a triple cross not a double.
@@rajsingh8372 I think in this point that I note there are many changes from the book. I noted the book is very straight forward in confirming it’s ending. Scorsese is deliberately much more ambiguous.
Does everyone else think that the mental hospital is bad and they truly make people to be crazy, not actually cure them. But then the plot twist change the entire thing and i was like "Damn, so they actually tried to cure their patients". Because i was one of the people that believe asylum could never cure mentally ill people, it just make them worse. This movie change my perspective.
I read about the explained ending of the movie, its almost proved that he was infact Andrew and he was crazy. But the way, the movie sets up its tone from the starting, its hard to believe that he was crazy. I would still say that both could be possible, TEDDY or ANDREW
Just explain me one thing: what's the scene between Teddy & Rachel in the cave meant to be? Where she confessing all truth about the island... Is it hallucination completely ? Any views....?
He did take that boat regardless of if he was insane or being gaslit. It was either part of the charade that the mental institution had set up to try and help Leo, or he actually was a marshal and was on the boat because it really was his job.
We're giving loads of credit to Scorsese but more credit is due for Dennis Lahane, who wrote the book (which is also amazing and has more of these hints)
None of these "clues" really matter in these types of movies since early on, u have very little context. U may know something is off, but there is no way for u to know until the plot unfolds. By that time, ur so caught up in the overarching plot that u dont even think about those minor details during the first viewing. It only makes sense once u recap or rewatch
Bro Teddy wasn't insane, try rewatching it in slow motion and pay attention to each film. They drug him repeatedly in addition to the indoctrination. See, the actual experiment was similar to MK Ultra. In fact, it was the refined version of the program. Instead of using forced medication and torture to make the patient believe what they want, they resulted in Medication and psychophysiological programming using selective sensory feeding. Infect, they use the person's life as a foundation to design each experiment for the merging of the patient's life and they project the goal to become one coherent story. This is the director's way of portraying something deep and dark subconsciously without getting into trouble
There's a real-life story of this around the same time as the MK Ultra program. This story is well-documented and verified by doctors and authorities. Research Lawrence Joseph Bader
@paulcosta5806 I know about the book, and we aren't discussing that. Several times, a movie would diverge from the book, which their inspiration was sourced from. Further, there's no law that states that a movie and it book must align in plot, or anything or lyquistic characteristic.
I have a doubt. if teddy was really andrew then why one of the nurse hud a knife under the white clothes ? And at last they shows the light house again. It ain't making any sense that he was really a patient bruh !
The movie is good and acting is superb. But seriously did you guys never considered that he was a patient? I had this feeling throughout the movie and I thought it is surely not going to end that way. Because it was so apparent and predictable ending and not the “ Big Twist” everyone was talking about. Maybe I have just watched too many thriller movies that I always expect the craziest twists.
Exactly, I thought so much about him being a patient and imagining all of this, that I was sure this couldnt be the plot. When it was revealed it was pretty expected, the only impressive thing was how the experiment worked and he actually just wanted to die and forget everything. And also how this movie was very well created, him being a patient was very expectable
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Do you think "Shutter Island" is an underrated movie?
Everyone knows about it... How it could be underrated
No, not at all.
Yes, definitely.
hell yeah
Obviously not it's a massive success
My favorite scene is when he finds out the truth. It feels like youre going insane with him because at the start you're like "no way, they're just trying to make him feel crazy" and by the end of that scene it's like you come to terms with the facts that he's the patient and he's crazy
That part was really well done too. Usually it's obvious when a movie is headed towards a reveal like that, where the character can't tell what's real and then the truth is different than they thought, but this one was well hidden until the end
oh my soul I literally did the same thing I refused to believe the truth. I was like "nah they're lying, he is a cop man, they just trying to make him crazy" only after I saw Chuck did I slowly accept it.
You copy pasted this comment 😂😂
I read the book and when I read the ending I was like no. So I read it again right away and on the second read through I started picking up on things that made me go damn he was the crazy one the whole time
@@BillyBob-yc1sy I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who noticed that
The moment of realisation hits both Teddy and the viewer. For a brief moment I thought I was going crazy.
because you were going crazy. They tricked you in believing the government/hospital story, like they tried to with teddy daniels. Pretty brilliant move of Martin Scorsese
You know what will make you feel a little more crazy? They supposedly released a maximum concern patient throughout an asylum with heightened levels of accessibility, supposedly knowing he's on a manhunt for the guy who killed his wife. Not only that, but he believes his partner came from a different place than where he actually came from. Weird little detail given, (if I'm not mistaken) it doesn't add at all to the mental illness plot, but would strongly support that they coordinated an insider to replace them, as well as started drugging him with partners cigarettes. Plus everyone in a desolate mental asylum was a great actor, half of which eluding to his military service fighting the Nazis in some way or another? Like yeah he told them those details, but the experiment was supposed to let him discover the reality, didn't have to constantly elude to his past as a soldier
Every scene consisting of water resembled the reality. While on the other hand, the scenes which had fire in them were a part of Teddy's hallucinations. Part reason why Teddy was sick of water was because he was unwilling to accept the reality.
The two most significant symbols of the movie are fire and water.
Fire is representative of the alternate reality that Teddy is in. Whenever there is fire or smoke around, that generally means that Teddy is hallucinating and very far from reality. For example, when Teddy is in the cave with the campfire and what he believes is Rachel Solando, it is a hallucination. Another example is when he blows up the car and there is a large plume of fire, he has a hallucination of his wife and daughter. One other example is the fact that Teddy’s wife died in a fire, when in actuality Laeddis killed his wife.
Water is representative of reality and the truth. It seems that whenever water is nearby, he gets closer to reality. For example, the large storm that blows in is keeping him on the island which will lead him to the truth. Another example is of the water that seems to drip from everywhere is his dreams and throughout his entire adventure through the movie. This is all showing that he is getting closer to the truth. Dolores drowned their children, so water shows what really happened instead of thinking that his wife died in a fire, the opposite of water.
So fire and water are representative of the theme of exploring reality in that they are physically opposite and they represent the opposing sides between reality and fantasy.
Even down to the “can you get me a glass of water” damn thats a good observation
Yes also a lot of times in the movie someone seems to glitch in a way while drinking water, while he had interrogated the women, the water she drank was off
Well.... George Noyce involved fire and that was not a hallucination
@@robogreek3157 George intentionally introduced Teddy to fire to trigger his psychotic breakdown. He constantly fed Andrew conspiracy theories for his fantasy.
(Spoilers) The most devastating scene is towards the end where the main character is finally lucid (the experiment worked) but he fakes he's still insane bc he cant live with himself and opts for a lobotomy rather than face reality.
perfectly said
Damn.
Towards the end? That IS the end...
Damn I hadn't noticed this until now
DID he fake it? Or was it a relapse?
Yeah even the scene where the weird creepy old lady does the shush thing. At first, you think its just a creepy scene to set the tone of the movie, but on 2nd viewing, you realize she was just told by the doctors to shut up and not talk to Teddy so she is just doing the same thing
I started waffling on "Is he crazy or not?" when he thought he saw the other marshal's body at the bottom of the cliff and how strange it was that a patient would make it to a cave on a cliff and what was she eating? But I still thought they were just screwing with him by putting drugs in his system.
Adding the apparently sinister character of the German doctor was genius, because you immediately suspect him as an escaped Nazi doctor.
An escaped Nazi doctor? Or one brought to the USA after the war with Operation Paperclip?
I thought it was odd that 'Rachel' said she moved around in the daytime and found a new place to sleep at night. Plus, there sure were a lot of rats that came out of that cave.
Such a great movie. I wish I could wipe my memory and re-watch it without knowing how it ends!
Getta lobotomy
You still don't know what happened
actually u already did that 50 times
i actually did just that. i watched it around 10 years ago and completely forgot about the twist. well, my brain probably didn't want to ruin the fun so i kinda didn't want to think strongly about it before re watching it. Wasn't even sure if i watched it at all before i fired it up. the fact that it is done so well also helps - miss a few clues and you'd believe "teddy" up until that lighthouse meeting, even on a second run
@@hazardeur good so then i have hope
I also love the interrogation scene where Teddy snaps at the pasient after torturing him with the pencil scratching. Chuck/Lester then calms Teddy down and actually signals all the surrounding guards/nurses that he has his patient under control.
patient lmao
Another interesting background detail is when Teddy/Andrew is interviewing all the Orderlies, Chuck/Lester is seen in the background talking to one of the other Orderlies. They appear to be talking about Teddy/Andrew and that made me very sus upon first viewing
Why did the other patient give note saying 'run'?
Because they most likely knew that it was ending with a lobotomy
Just watched the movie today for the first time. Now I feel everyone is trying to mess with me... and youtube is in on it. Edward Daniels is not crazy.
I believe in the same thing. Everyone is saying all sorts of things about how "Water induces past memories" and how Teddy was really crazy. But if you delve deeper, you find out that the story, in which a Cop (teddy) tries to bust an illegally operating Mental facility, and the facility instead proves him to be crazy to get out of the way, makes a lot of sense. Just tell me, Why would a mental patient locked inside a facility for murders, have a deep knowledge of Hydrogen Bombs? Why does the migraines and the delusions only start after teddy starts taking the Pills, The cigarettes and the food? Why does the patient tell teddy to RUN, for no particular reason, other than saving him from him going insane? Also, why does George Noyce tell Teddy to not go after Laeddis, and instead escape the island? Also, The theory of Chuck/Lester and Teddy not meeting on deck can be explained by various reasons, like chuck/lester being picked up on another port, or lester being deliberately planted on the ship to make teddy feel he is actually crazy.
I can see a connection here. Teddy can actually be a cop who is trying to bust Shutter Island. However, the government got a smell of his ideas, and instead did a "Gotcha" to get him out of their way. Historicaly putting, this actually makes a lot of sense too, taking into account Cold war tactics that USA adopted. What do you say?
@@maddy8186 Read the book man, he was supressing what he and his wife had done, she killed their kids and set an apartment on fire, and he ended up killing her. at the end he is brought back to reality just prefers to die (be lobotomi9zed) than continue liveing in a cell with those toughts.
@@paulcosta5806your wrong that’s what r they want him to believe
This movie is a masterpiece, you notice new things in random scenes each time you watch it.. that’s honestly what makes a movie replayable to me
Am I the only one still rooting for Teddy 😂
Yes blow the lid clean off 😂😂😂
I'm with you, Trust me
Yes pls reveal the reality of the island
Me
They not only convinced Teddy, but also the viewer, that he was a patient.
There's actually a really good theory that poltergibbst made that convinced me he was never a killer or crazy at all
One other early clue is when they first look into Rachel's room and Chuck/Lester brings up the fact that all patients have 2 pairs of shoes but it's obvious they are Mens shoes he holds up (Andrew's and not 'Rachel's).
I never noticed that before! Thanks. Did you notice that when the Captain of the Guards is out searching and LD's character asks "What about those caves down there?" The CotG replies "No way could she get down there...You said yourself Marshall, she's got no shoes." Then LD nods. Go back to the scene in Rachel's room; firstly the CotG wasn't there so how does he know that? Secondly (and most importantly) it wasn't LD's character that said that it was Chuck/Lester! This is a classic psychological manipulation technique. They have implanted a thought in his mind and then later convinced him that he came up with that thought himself, hence making it believable!
Rachel 是在女病房，女病房怎么会有男鞋呢？
@@alexscott1257damn
@@alexscott1257 seeeshhhhh
The author of the book it was based on, Dennis Lehane, is an amazing writer. Check out his other work if you liked this movie!
Mystic River!
Same letters... hmmm
The big twist would've been if the psychiatrist turned into the hulk at the end #BOOM
😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hahahaha 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wish they would make more good movies like this. Lately Hollywood has just been pumping out crap and recycled crap.
I couldn't have said it better myself. Personally, I've had enough of all these big franchise movies (Ok, I'll admit it, Star Wars is still close to my heart, even though the sequel trilogy was a turd), they rely more on the franchise itself (established characters and so forth) more than the art of moviemaking if you catch my drift. Nothing really touches me to the core anymore.
well, a good movie like this is real hard work and it takes talent and skill. those things are very hard to come by today in any industry but especially in the movies. why? because the audience either doesn't care or is too stupid to acknowledge a masterpiece. probably both. if people would only want to watch masterpieces like this, they'd try to make them.
Tons of good movies now. Go watch Men by A24.
One more hint Teddy said that those are electrified perimeter and when Chuck asked how did you know he replied "I have seen something like that before"
That doesn’t mean much. Could be Dachau
Just finished it yesterday the ending is mind-blowing incredible movie that deserves an awesome oscar
Go to the part where he questions the old woman (Mrs kearnes) he asked her about Doctor sheehan and she makes direct eye contact with chuck ( doctor sheehan)
I honestly wasnt even sure what his true identity was. A patient or detective being manipulated.
Have you ever considered the possibility that both answers could be right?
@@alexscott1257what a rollercoaster in the last 30 min of the movie..
Watching it back is really a whole new experience. Not just seeing all the clues that he’s not an officer, but seeing how he treats the other patients when he believes he’s a cop. He’s acting exactly how they do in movies. He’s overly aggressive, rude, sarcastic, and thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room. But on the second viewing you can see just how much he’s pretending, and doing a genuinely bad job of it.
He’s not pretending. The doctor never contested that he used to be a real marshal
he was a marshall before he killed his wife. >??
The scene where he is told the truth is awesome!
Its definetely Not the truth man
They re just plying teddy
Did no one notice of explain the glass of water that wasn't in her hand, it was bizarre
He blocked out seeing her drink the glass of water, until it was empty. This is because water represents the Truth, and he could not bear to witness it, symbolized by him not seeing the water
@@aaronwylie6928 wow
I didn't want to believe he was a patient. Happened with beautiful mind. I was like 'they are all wrong and be is right!'
Man this movie still leaves me with a lot of questions
It is underrated and slighty misunderstood. At the end setting on the steps, Andrew realizes hes to far gone. He accepts he cant beat his nightmares and he kills himself. I argued with my whole family who thought he went back.into the loop. Hahaha. Masterpiece...
Okay. But he was there investigating experiments. the ending concludes that he was right about them doing experiments. And he continued his investigation by playing along with their constructed narrative
@@samueltromp2369 lobotomies were no experiment in those times, they were an accepted practice it seems. wiki says "roughly 60,000 lobotomies were performed in the United States and Europe in the 2 decades after the procedure was invented" hardly an "experiment". those did come way before.
@@samueltromp2369 lobotomy also make u a living vegetable lmao so giving patients lobotomy’s to make them soldiers is completely unreasonable when u actually think about it
Looks like “they” not only convinced Teddy, but also the comment section, that he was crazy. They programmed these memories into him.
As Teddy walks from the bathroom on the boat to meet Chuck, you see a handcuff hanging open that was secured to the ceiling. That was definitely how they secured him while the meds wore off.
It was the only ferry to and from the Island and they brought crazy people, there was more than one set of restraints in that room.Also if he was handcuffed he would have bruising around his wrist.
Him fumbling with his gun in the beginning didn't give up the whole twist. what they gave up was that something is wrong ( just like when the movie started and he was just meeting his partner for the first time) and us as the audience needs to watch to find out. what it is that makes this movie so great is you will not find out until the end no matter how good you are at picking apart movies. not on the first try at least. 🤔
Sorry i did 😂
What about his conversation with George ? I thought that was the biggest evidence he was really a detective.
Maybe it was just another his imagination ? The conversation never ever took place anywhere just like the conversation between him and the doctor (the 'real' Rachel Solando). He attacked George Noyce before and for that, his mind create another storyline to think that 'someone' hurt him.
If you look at the credits it says that Leonardo Dicaprio played a character called Teddy Daniels, not Andrew Laeddis! 😉
because that's who he believed he was for 90% of the movie
@@hazardeurbecause that is who he is
@@natural_law_nutritionyes, they manipulated him
@@merdikjoe6875 no he was crazy, there is a f*cing book jusus christ.
Nope. You missed ending then. He actually remembers who is he but still choose lobotomy.@@merdikjoe6875
I just watched this for the first time, I still can’t comprehend what just happenedd
same bro
They said in the movie the ferry is the only way to and from the island, and given that it's for mental patients ofc they will have handcuffs and rooms for the mental, if it was an elaborate role play to help Teddy realize that he was andrew, why would they send him on a wild goose chase to find Rachel when they were just going to say they mysteriously get a nurse to play the role, what was the point of that, so he can interrogate people needlessly? What did rachel say that was unusual, complained about the food. Ok say he was crazy and imagained all that, he is on the cliff desperate to get to the lighthouse and the Dr leaves him? and then Crowley said he came by himself, how would that help the patient at all. George Noyce conversation he got out once where he supposedly met of Teddy and found out about shutter island, let's say it was all a lie, what does it mean that I'm back here because of you, how did Teddy get him back to shutter island if he was always there? Why is George so scared of the lighthouse? Real Rachel, if she was imaginary or not, they say you are crazy, there is no defense, and everyone thinks Teddy is crazy by the end.
My take on this, Teddy actually exists.
* from the first scene Teddy felt sick & lost his cigarettes that he sworn was on his pocket. Chuck joked about officers stealing cigarettes so he offered him his. Manipulation begins.
* Shutter Island, from the name itself, I believe is a big take away. "Shutter" they did everything to keep their wicked Institution from being exposed
* Rachel Solando actually exists, the character's deep knowledge about the field of psychology was too detailed to be just a fantasy
* When Teddy reached the office of Dr. Cawley, after they had the confrontation he already prepared the paperworks and his board about anagrams to feed him all their lies and made up stories
* Teddy knowlingly went with the orderlies so he can finally go to the Lighthouse and see for himself what is going on there even if there's a chance of being Lobotomized thus he said his last lines about dying as a good man or living as a monster
* Dr. Sheehan called him Teddy on the last scene that son of a bitch
I believe Shutter Island really does experiments on people who have been traumatized on their past and seeing that Teddy is on the very edge of exposing their anomalies, they did an experiment on him by role-playing and manipulation, triggering he's past trauma and feeding him with lies and false situations for him to self-destruct and imprison him so he never exposes the Shutter Island's dark truth.
I think the same man !!
that's more or less what I thought after watching the movie for the first time
And what technology did they use to show him a picture of his dead daughter?
Definitely agree with this 💯
I absolutely agree with your interpretation!
i had to read the book twice to understand the story and i remember telling a friend that Shutter Island could never be made into a movie. i saw the brilliant movie twice also.
Don’t forget in the opening scene that there were shackles dangling in the room just outside of the bathroom
I don’t understand why they act like he did something so terrible. The wife kills his children. He snaps and kills his wife. Why is he being treated like the villain?
Because he created a story where he didn't have children, and didn't kill his wife
Plot twist: The ruse was done the other way around! Teddy Daniels is Teddy Daniels! They brainwashed him into believing he his Andrew Laeddis, and are performing lobotomies at the lighthouse in that last scene.
what if the experiment worked and now Teddy believes what the Island wants him to believe.
Or what if teddy and his partner are playing along with them and making them believe that the experiment's working🥲
@@curseofher yes
I'm a fan of the alternate theory that he dug to deep and this place set up a scenario where he'd be brought out since he was already looking into the place to begin with and then they proceed with the elaborate plan to make him go crazy and doubt his reality so they can call him crazy and keep him from finding out the truth. There's tons of reasons behind that theory and there's a video that PolterGibbst did and it makes way too much sense. They used his past to make him look and go crazy just like the real Rachel (The Doctor in the cave) said. They're doing Nazi experiments in secret and Teddy got to close so they had to silence him without outright making him disappear so that if anyone looked into it, they'd just think he was nuts from his service in WW2 and the atrocities he saw the Nazis commit.
First time I watched this film, I immediately said, "surely he met his partner before getting on the ferry!"
It was too big of a clue imo.
I have the pleasure of having both seen the movie and read the book. Both versions are awesome.
Yes! And the book, like the movie, deserve a second look so you can catch all the hints you missed that he was crazy
You could also view it as them trying to gaslight him into believing he was someone he wasn't. The point of this movie was more about the death of the ego, or who you actually believe you really are. In the end he came to understand that he had to pick one or the other and instead chose to pick the one in which he was a hero. I still think he was actually Teddy because at the end when he gets up to essentially accept his death, Dr.Sheehan called him Teddy in an attempt to make him stop, while it was clear that he(Teddy) was aware of both personalities then. That never made sense. If he was aware that he was both Andrew and Teddy why call him out to him with his supposedly "fake" name?
anyone else been waiting for a proper explanation for this movie...and still waiting ?
Always. What's your theory?
what if the experiment worked and now Teddy believes what the Island wants him to believe.
It’s not a theory , want a simple explanation.. watch the cave scene again . She explains what is happening, also she is still there when he wakes up specifically to show anyone paying attention that he’s not hallucinating
@@jinkazama5709 that's what I think 🤔 lol 😂
@@abstractproductionz5734 and the so called doctor calls him Teddy in the end. Why if that's not his real name.
He could have just as logically been Teddy. The movie never proves one side or the other. The only solid clue I saw, is when his cigarettes are missing and the ice pic, meaning he is Teddy
I wish the movie had a few more upbeat scenes between Chuck and Teddy earlier on it would have made me care more about the characters and want Teddy to be right
I think one can still argue that they were the ones who made him crazy. Dr. Rachel describes how they create perfect spies and soldiers through medications and lobotomies and how they erase your memories. Towards the beginning/middle of the movie, some of the patients allude to elements of Laeddis’ story, such as the patient Rachel when she meets Teddy. They could have orchestrated everything to implant false memories in Teddy and push him to take on the identity of an insane man. I mean- he’s the perfect canvas for them, being a war vet. He becomes more violent and unhinged towards the end of the movie, which could make him an effective and dangerous tool should they choose to deploy him against government enemies.
This really was an outstanding film.
Then why did George noyce said it's mind games and they were doing experiments . The doctors, nurses and warden could act , why did George noyce want to act ? What was the need ?
I think because no one thought he would meet up with George
I would agree with Pirate Collector. While patients in Wards A and B were being coached to take part in the grand ruse revolving around Teddy/Laeddis, the patients segregated in Ward C, which was supposed to be off limits, may not have been included. I think Noyce is the key to understanding who Teddy is. Teddy's story about how he came to find out about the mysterious Ashcliffe Hospital by meeting a patient who had been there, namely, George Noyce, probably was true and not something Teddy came up with as part of his fantasy of denial. So, Noyce met Laeddis/Teddy when Laeddis was still a U.S. Marshall, before Laeddis killed his wife and went insane. They sort of became friends during that time, according to a remark Noyce makes during his and Laeddis' confrontation in Ward C. So he very well may have known something about Laeddis' personal life-that he had a wife and three children. And later, when he found himself back on Shutter Island, he may have learned, through the grapevine or from hospital staff, about the subsequent circumstances of Laeddis' crime. The book and the movie are silent about this. But Noyce shows deep insight into Laeddis/Teddy's mind when he tells him, "You can't dig out the truth and kill Laeddis at the same time. You have to make a choice." Because if the identity of Laeddis dies altogether, only the fantasy world of Teddy will remain.
I am still tryna find out why Mrs Kearnes told him to run Like whyyy?? and that’s The only reason i believe he is teddy
The experiment worked, sadly, Andrew didn't want to live with the reality and opted for the lobotomy instead to live out his life as a docile, kind person again.
What I love is the Very End. When Chuck asks him what they’re gonna do? And he ACTS like he’s still in his delusion. If you’re good on picking up hidden messages you’ll understand that he wasn’t slipping back into is psychosis. For 1 he said “What would be worse chuck”? “To Live as a monster, or to die as a good Man”? And when the psychiatrist says the character name “Teddy” Andrew doesn’t answer! Because he WANTED them to Lobotomise him! He just Could NOT live with the fact his Wife killed his Children and that he also Murdered her!! Sad 😢
Bro this movie is about crazy people and the movie itself, in how it's made, will fill your mind up with so much duality that it makes u crazy aswell. Like THIS IS THE FIRST TIME A MOVIE DID THIS FOR ME AND IM SO FUCKING THRILLED
Props to the makers for such a beautiful concept
Anyone thought Shutter Island was similar to Inception?
EDITED:
1. Both Leo are inside their "twisted" mind, dealing with alternate realities.
2. Both Leo led their wives to become lost in their mind, and dying.
3. Both Leo couldn't escape their guilt for the death of their wives.
4. Both Leo had kids that they couldn't be with.
5. Both Leo were able to find their way back from their "twisted" mind.
6. Leo usually dies in his movies, but they both survived (a bit of joke, but true).
No.
Yes , now that you mention it. Being trapped in a dream is like being trapped in your own mind.
@@baliyae Examples:
1. Both Leo are inside their "twisted" mind, dealing with alternate realities.
2. Both Leo led their wives to become lost in their mind, and dying.
3. Both Leo couldn't escape their guilt for the death of their wives.
4. Both Leo had kids that they couldn't be with.
5. Both Leo were able to find their way back from their "twisted" mind.
6. Leo usually dies in his movies, but they both survived (a bit of joke, but true).
Both is not needed 😂
And the fact both wives wanted to kill their children
Maybe he wasn't crazy...
I wish I had seen this movie without knowing anything. TikTok featured the sound of him asking where the kids were and my internet search took me to wiki /facepalm
Am I the only one who didn’t see twist before the revealing ? I see too many people saying it was obvious since the beginning
The biggest miss is the handcuff chains in his bunker after he washed his face before he leaves to find chuck
Do you think that was there for him? Or is it possible that the cuffs are there because the ferry would sometimes be taking prisoners to and from the island so they just have cuffs on there as standard operating procedure?
@@alexscott1257 seems like they use that for prisoners they ferry over to the island but i dont think they did that for him. He was probably sedated when they brought him up to the ship so that he could restart his fantasy, it seems most likely that it was there as an initial hint about what was to come.
@@michaellai7101 It's so hard to tell in this movie what is real and what is in his imagination or what is used as a symbolic narrative device (this of course is the whole point!) Have you ever considered the possibility that both possibilities exist in the movie; i.e that he is insane and also that he was brainwashed? There is plenty of evidence for both sides and whatever happened to LD's character in the movie the fact remains that under the MK Ultra programme everything that is discussed in the film actually happened to real people in the USA (and other places) during the 1950s, 60s and 70s.
Just finish watching the movie for the first time and I felt like I was going insane
Everyone commenting is a moron. He wasn't crazy, he was framed to be crazy. The Dr in the cliffs told him the truth and so did his "partner" during the night scene when they were sheltering from the storm.
He got too close to exposing them so they lured him in and setup the perfect scenario with his past to make sure he could never leave.
Apparently you are the moron, there is a book and yes he is crazy and accepted his faith at the end.
in the end i didn't know whether the doctor is brainwashing me too alongside teddy or he is telling the truth
@Cody Hansen can you please elaborate?
@Cody Hansen no one is claiming you can change chromosomes, stop twisting the narrative to fit to your own🙄
I love this movie and yeah it's so much better every time you see it
Tennessee girl with an Orthodox profile pic is as random as it comes lol ( I'm Orthodox btw )
Everyone is saying all sorts of things about how "Water induces past memories" and how Teddy was really crazy. But if you delve deeper, you find out that the story, in which a Cop (teddy) tries to bust an illegally operating Mental facility, and the facility instead proves him to be crazy to get out of the way, makes a lot of sense. Just tell me, Why would a mental patient locked inside a facility for murders, have a deep knowledge of Hydrogen Bombs? Why does the migraines and the delusions only start after teddy starts taking the Pills, The cigarettes and the food? Why does the patient tell teddy to RUN, for no particular reason, other than saving him from him going insane? Also, why does George Noyce tell Teddy to not go after Laeddis, and instead escape the island? Also, The theory of Chuck/Lester and Teddy not meeting on deck can be explained by various reasons, like chuck/lester being picked up on another port, or lester being deliberately planted on the ship to make teddy feel he is actually crazy.
I can see a connection here. Teddy can actually be a cop who is trying to bust Shutter Island. However, the government got a smell of his ideas, and instead did a "Gotcha" to get him out of their way. Historicaly putting, this actually makes a lot of sense too, taking into account Cold war tactics that USA adopted. What do you say?
My favorite movie 😍 the cast and story are just brilliant 🤩👍🏼
I still say that he wasn't actually insane and that the doctors of shutter Island Drugged him and convinced him he was a patient when he really wasn't. He has been investigating that facility and its doctors before arriving so it makes sense that they'd want him "dealt with". Killing him would have just made them look more suspicious and drawn attention to them so they instead made it look like he had a mental breakdown and needed to be treated there.
They had me believe half the movie they where playing mind games in HIM. But no. I was kinda mad tbh I loved the teddy and chuck duo 😭 😂
The twist isn't that he's a patient the twist is that he knew who he really was the whole time.
This movie is so underrated
Really, this is what you think is really the true story?
This movie is great because 99% of people still don't know what the movie is about.
He never killed anyone, he was drugged by his cigs, they knew on the Island he was coming to shut their Post-Nazi mind control system down, so they slowly convince him he's a nut job all the time feeding him small Doses of mind altering drugs.
It's got a double twist that most people can't see because they think the twist is he's a patient of the Island, which he isn't.
I dont know how but very early in movie i thought that leonardo's character is patient & climax will be like revealing all mysteries.
No. They lied to Teddy. He was a real US marshal, they started to medicate his tea and cigarette and then gradually manipulated his own memories. The clue is when he meets the escaped psychologist up in the cave. Teddy is unable to hallucinate about her in his "memories" because he has never seen her before, as he has never been on the island before. Notice that all his hallucinations involve his own family, whose memory he already had, and thus could be manipulated. But he has never seen the psychologist before, he has no memory of her, and therefore the drug is unable to induce hallucinations involving her. Remember, the German doctor is a war criminal who lied to immigration, the director (Ben Kingsley) is enjoying a lifestyle far above his means, they had a vested interest that Teddy never leaves the island.
Not to mention, at the end, Ben Kingsley tries to imply that the storm is part of Leonardo DiCaprio's delusion. Except, the storm ACTUALLY happened. It's everyone else in the movie who talks about the storm, NOT Leonardo DiCaprio. The only time he mentions it is during the scene where Ben Kingsley asks him about continuing the investigation even after he said it was over and he replies that there's no way they're going to be able to leave the island with the weather as bad as it was. The staff even has a meeting talking about the hurricane and what to do with the patients WITHOUT him present. Why would they do that if the storm was part of his delusion? No, the storm and all its effects are real and they're trying to make him believe he's crazy so he doesn't expose the experiments going on at the facility.
THIS! They gaslight him so bad and drugged him.
Yess thank you. Yeah totally Gaslight island.
Also his conversation with George Noice. And why would that patient have written in Teddys book to RUN?
If it were the case that Teddy was actually a patient there the whole time, Doctor Cawly is a super manipulative doctor. Cuz he kept saying purposely confusing things. Telling him he doesbt have a partner. And then asking about his partner. And then saying "baby why are you all wet?" Which is super weird to say to your patient.
@@aerophagenever once heard Ben Kingsley say that the storm was a fabrication…
@grimsquad273 He implies it's part of his delusion during the scene at the lighthouse at the end, when Leonardo Dicaprio insists he's Edward Daniels and Ben Kingsley interrupts him.
"I've been hearing this fantasy for two years now. I know every detail. Patient 67. THE STORM. Rachel Solando. Your missing partner. The dreams you have every night." [emphasis mine]
I missed all these but clicked that he was a patient when he’s given an aspirin in a little medication container shortly after arriving at shutter island and getting a headache
Personally, I prefer to interpret the film as Teddy not actually being insane and instead that the asylum actually is a human testing ground for Nazis; Poltergibbst has a great video going over this theory.
I love this film. One of the very best I've ever watched.
One of my biggest issues is how did he not regonize his thearpy even to the very end of the movie he never treats chuck like he knows him for 2 years how can he be hella smart and not recognize somone he seen for 2 years
Those bastards tricked him into believing he had a family and killed his wife.
The movie starts in almost a dream like state… We never see where the journey began on that ferry. How does Teddy just lose his cigarettes and lighter? He doesn’t, much like when you’re dreaming you’re placed into situations without understanding. This was the beginning of his delusion as a field Marshall.
Me: imagine if his partner is actually the doctor and he's actually the 67th patient
2 hours later:
Me: DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN
Yeah right. I bet you also saw right through the ending of The Sixth Sense within the first 20 minutes. SMH
pretty hard to not get brainwashed by the hospital staff. I mean mind control/ mk ultra isn't a joke, like you can witness with the amount of comments that fell for it. Brilliant movie Martin Scorsese
if you believe that Teddy was Andrew Ladis, congratulations, you effectively got brainwashed and that is how it feels.
I give this movie an award for brilliant script and performances one of my all time favorites on a list may videos of great ones continue for a long time .
I strongly disagree. I've watched this movie heaps. I watched it as a kid in the cinema when it came out. I think it is a masterpiece, however I also am strongly convinced Teddy isn't "Andrew".
There is actually more hard evidence to suggest Teddy is being experimented on as a test subject, and as a means to get rid of him as a nosy investigator than there is to say he is Andrew
Dr Naehring. Clearly ex nazi. Given his speciality he likely worked at Dachau too. Operation paperclip wouldn't pick up such a smart ex nazi just to make them a therapist on some island.
The warden is clearly military iltelligence. Probably colonel level.
The deputy warden knows federal codes way too well, to the point he can number list the rule that gives prison staff authority over visiting federal staff.
The priming and programming of Teddy. They put him in a bed under a leaky pipe so he wakes up covered in water. He has to swim to the lighthouse so he arrives wet.
They put him in a room with the fake Rachel (she's a nurse) and she hugs him and does this whole charade to traumatise and bond with teddy.
This rachel supposedly killed her kids by drowning them.
The Dr leaves Teddy alone to climb down the cliffs. The warden picks teddy up the next morning ( if andrew was their most dangerous patient, no way would he be allowed to go off by himself)
The "real" rachel solando "hallucination" is very different to teddy's other hallucinations. She's not dressed weirdly, and she unlike the other awake hallucinations makes phischal contact with him when she wakes him up.
Dr cawley says at the lighthouse (hilariously), "WHy you all wet, baby?"
But In the "flashback" "Andrew" says, " baby, why are you all wet?"
Firstly, the line is different. Secondly, Cawley claims that teddy violently refuses to acknowledge that he is Andrew, thereby if the "Baby, why are you all wet" was a true statement, how would Cawley know any of those words? Teddy wouldn't tell him and admit to them.
Infers that it's more priming and implanting false memories.
Frankly, the original novels ending is the boring "he was Andrew all along". But scorsese decided to make it much more ambiguous.
I've seen this film many times. I think there is a stronger, but much more horrifying argument that Teddy is their experiment. They're running experiments in how to change how people's minds work. Perfect experiment to see if they can convince somebody that they are somebody else. ANd the ending, "better to lvie as a monster or die a good man", isn't "andrew" taking a psychological suicde via lobotomy. It's Teddy firstly invalidating Cawley's psychological research and experiment (Which cawley when you see his response is unhappy about), and it's teddy's last F you, I wont end up one of your monsters.
If you watch it again, watch it with this in mind. Even look at how Shehan and cawley act in the lighthouse. They create a false urgency. Like "you need to be cured in the next 5 minutes".
Well said! I'm totally with you bro, same thoughts for most parts! Especially when Cawley was confronting Teddy then he showed photos of the drowned kids. Teddy then said, he never had a baby girl...
Just like what Solando says in the cave, that she's being accused of drowning her kids when she never even had kids. Freaking Shutter Island aye
Yes, Patrica Clarkston's character in the cave is real and what she says is true. She never says her name is Rachel, Teddy does and she doesn't bother to correct him. She only calls him Marshall she doesn't talk to him like a patient. No way they would keep supplying him cigarettes if he burnt his wife. The cigarettes are drugged. Kingsley has a explaination for everything except her, he jumps when Teddy mentioned her but their is no matching avatar for her or her elaborate take on the island, she is real. They wanted to know what Teddy knows that's why they did all of this he knows too much that why they want to lobotomize him so bad. They don't do all this for every patient. Why is Teddy/ Andrew so special. Why is it so important that he must forget the cop persona, all because he is violent, in a mental institution, no way. This movie is a triple cross not a double.
@@1D4ever So freaking true! This movie had really awaken the inner investigator in us huh?
Actually that author confirm he is andrew
@@rajsingh8372 I think in this point that I note there are many changes from the book. I noted the book is very straight forward in confirming it’s ending.
Scorsese is deliberately much more ambiguous.
Does everyone else think that the mental hospital is bad and they truly make people to be crazy, not actually cure them. But then the plot twist change the entire thing and i was like "Damn, so they actually tried to cure their patients". Because i was one of the people that believe asylum could never cure mentally ill people, it just make them worse. This movie change my perspective.
He either went on with his demise or he was insane this movie is crazy
I read about the explained ending of the movie, its almost proved that he was infact Andrew and he was crazy.
But the way, the movie sets up its tone from the starting, its hard to believe that he was crazy.
I would still say that both could be possible, TEDDY or ANDREW
Just explain me one thing: what's the scene between Teddy & Rachel in the cave meant to be? Where she confessing all truth about the island... Is it hallucination completely ? Any views....?
Yes, this scene is a complete hallucination.
he is teddy and not insane. they set it all up to convince him he is
THAT'S the big clue you think people missed?? It's one of the most obvious.
Yeah I thought that it was obvious too!
So did Leo never really take boat to island...did they set him up or is he crazy??
That's the big question. There are plenty of arguments for and against each theory.
He did take that boat regardless of if he was insane or being gaslit. It was either part of the charade that the mental institution had set up to try and help Leo, or he actually was a marshal and was on the boat because it really was his job.
@@alexscott1257 No its not the only people who have theories never read the book. He is DELUSIONAL.
One of the best movies of all time, kept you thinking
We're giving loads of credit to Scorsese but more credit is due for Dennis Lahane, who wrote the book (which is also amazing and has more of these hints)
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They also grip their guns tighter because he is the most dangerous patient the facility has
None of these "clues" really matter in these types of movies since early on, u have very little context. U may know something is off, but there is no way for u to know until the plot unfolds. By that time, ur so caught up in the overarching plot that u dont even think about those minor details during the first viewing. It only makes sense once u recap or rewatch
It took me three viewings to finally accept the truth.
Which was 👀
That he was infact crazy
There is a theory that *he is not crazy* and Island Doctors are covering up and drughing him 😮
am i the only one who still thinks that he is actually teddy and they all tryna make him crazy??
Bro Teddy wasn't insane, try rewatching it in slow motion and pay attention to each film. They drug him repeatedly in addition to the indoctrination. See, the actual experiment was similar to MK Ultra. In fact, it was the refined version of the program. Instead of using forced medication and torture to make the patient believe what they want, they resulted in Medication and psychophysiological programming using selective sensory feeding. Infect, they use the person's life as a foundation to design each experiment for the merging of the patient's life and they project the goal to become one coherent story.
This is the director's way of portraying something deep and dark subconsciously without getting into trouble
There's a real-life story of this around the same time as the MK Ultra program. This story is well-documented and verified by doctors and authorities. Research Lawrence Joseph Bader
It';s a book BRO read it. he is insane.
@paulcosta5806 I know about the book, and we aren't discussing that. Several times, a movie would diverge from the book, which their inspiration was sourced from. Further, there's no law that states that a movie and it book must align in plot, or anything or lyquistic characteristic.
I have a doubt.
if teddy was really andrew then why one of the nurse hud a knife under the white clothes ? And at last they shows the light house again.
It ain't making any sense that he was really a patient bruh !
I mean, it was a great movie. But that part was definitely a great tell as to what really happened
he wasnt crazy he was a test subject
The movie is good and acting is superb. But seriously did you guys never considered that he was a patient? I had this feeling throughout the movie and I thought it is surely not going to end that way. Because it was so apparent and predictable ending and not the “ Big Twist” everyone was talking about.
Maybe I have just watched too many thriller movies that I always expect the craziest twists.
How many times did you watch it? Is it possible that there is a much less obvious twist that contradicts the perceived ending?
Exactly, I thought so much about him being a patient and imagining all of this, that I was sure this couldnt be the plot. When it was revealed it was pretty expected, the only impressive thing was how the experiment worked and he actually just wanted to die and forget everything. And also how this movie was very well created, him being a patient was very expectable