What else makes Light detestable is he hinted at desires to wipe out the lazy and those who felt didn't contribute enough to the world after he finished with criminals so really as he thinned the line on who should get wiped out it would mean nobody was really safe from what he considered a person not welcome in his perfect world.
Yup, in many ways he resembles the classic fascist leaders from history. Those kinds of people pretend to be the absolute purest when it comes to morals, but they consider their definition of 'morals' to be the only correct one - in other words, they're megalomaniacs.
And? As much of a lazy ass you probably subconsciously think you are, Light wouldn't have lived long enough to off your sort. And this world would be better off if the worst of humanity were offed as fast as their names could be written, regardless of whether it eventually would have killed off those worth preserving, (which is remarkably few people anyway).
@@mikescarlet4261 I’m paraphrasing but Light literally says something like “It’s too early for that” when Kiyomi mentions killing the lazy. That’s a huge hint that Light was already planning to weed out the “undesirable” people after he got rid of all the criminals.
@@ChuckSneed_or it's light being his usual manipulative self. Like he never had a reason to not go after the "undesirables" alongside the criminals. So if that was actually on his list. He wouldn't need to put it off.
Power attracts already corrupt people far more often than corrupting regular ones, highly doubt L would've used the Death Note the same way Light did if he was the one who stumbled upon it first.
It's been a long time since I've read the manga, but I think I remember reading in the epilogue portion that the Shinigami that tried to recreate what Ryuk did with other humans have said that other humans usually commit su*ic*ide when handling the Death Note, so that it showed Light and Misa were unique mentally to handle it. It's like the Ring of Power or the Necronomicon, an object of importance that few can handle and can corrupt people when misused.
And if L would hav used it, which is unlikely tht he would use it more than for trying it out, he has very high ethics and would be extremely selective where he would, if. Not saying he is a good person per se, but he is highly ethical.
I refuse to cut Light slack tbh. I don't like the "the Death Note corrupted him" interpretation. Light has signs of always having been an arrogant sociopath. And he was always a childish coward. The loss of his memory just restored the superego, without absolute power he kept up his good boy persona that formed likely due to regular social pressure.
I disagree. I think that the Death Note did indeed corrupt him to an extent. It’s been stated multiple times by both the author and material that has Light never gotten the Death Note he would’ve gone on to become one of the world’s greatest police officers and eventually partnered up with L. During Light’s memory loss period he was completely unable to bring himself to commit any of the deeds that “Kira” would do such as taking advantage of Misa’s feelings or allowing deaths to occur just to come one step closer to finishing an investigation, (in fact he adamantly refused to allow the Yotsuba group to continue killings despite L himself stating that it would be the most effective way of catching them, Hell he even went as far as betting on a 2 out of 7 chance that the person who would not be Kira but also have enough authority among the board to buy them the time they need in order to figure the case out would be intimidated by L, JUST to save those few lives, whose names and faces he’d never have known, that the board would’ve sacrificed. Which L himself even compliments by saying that it’s something he might’ve came up with but was instead orchestrated by Light before even himself) Furthermore it’s been stated by the Author himself that Light was the greatest victim out of all those whom used the Death Note. Though he deserved every bit of what was coming to him, Light Yagami was as much a victim of the Death Note as everybody else we saw die during the series.
@@alirezaomrani7650 in this context i think it’s kinda fair to compare the Death note to the internet in a way. The internet lets you do and say what you want with almost full anonymity and (if you’ve ever seen twitter) many people choose to use that anonymity to be dickheads. The internet itself doesn’t corrupt people because it’s merely a tool and there are people online that aren’t absolutely horrendous. You could say that the dickheads are actually nice in person, but if they’re really nice in person why are they toxic online? Light always had that evil in him, he just couldn’t act upon it. In reality the true evil isn’t the ability to kill, it’s unchecked power.
@@staby3956 Comparing the DN to the internet is an interesting way to see this. But I think it's a bit different tho (and not only because the DN is an unearthly tool brought by a shinigami in an anime). I also believe that the possibility alone could bring out the worst inside of us, like having a deadly murderous tool in our hands and the possibility to change the rules significantly. I bet that every single one of us just wanted to kill somebody for whatever reason, even if we didn't mean it seriously. If we had that tool in the right (or false - just a way of perspective) moment, maybe this low impulse would've grown bigger until the point of no return. But regularly we wouldn't give in. So I think that Light having the possibility to give in to that impulse with the DN just let that impulse grew to an extend where he couldn't control it any longer. If he didn't have that tool, maye he would have overcome this and would reach adulthood like every other regular person. (Or maybe he would've become an insane killer in another way... who knows?) Edit: Surfing through the anonymity of the internet can also bring out our "dickhead" side in a weak and impulsive moment. If we are angry, we often tend to vent our anger through mean words. We don't mean it and we regret saying mean stuff when we are chilled again. So yeah, I get, why you compared the DN to the internet. But it's true that some people just are dickheads in general, even if they play nice in person.
I think people severely downplay the sheer brutality of light's killings. Light could have chosen not to kill the detective who opposed him on TV, ignored him, and kept on killing criminals as is (although that's already extremely fucked up by itself, for reasons I'll give at the end). But no, he deliberately led L all the way to him, just so he could get close and kill L. Why? Because he's an egomaniac who hates to lose. He would freely risk his "perfect world" for a literal power trip, he deliberately used his father's data as a police officer at tthe start so he could bring L to him. (He started killing criminals every hour instead of the evening as soon as he was suspected of being a student to tell L that he had connections to the police.) Hell, he fucking murdered thousands of FBI agents just to "avoid suspicion" he would otherwise garner if he only killed Ray Penber, a guy he never needed to kill anyway, because Ray was going to report Light as innocent. Light killed upstanding citizens to feel like a God, risked his own plans for power trips, and was otherwise a psychopathic maniac who killed people without remorse, and without giving an absolute shit about what people wanted. He literally killed thousands of people each day just because they appeared on TV. Forget fair trials, hell forget even trials, the mother fucker never even spent more than 5 seconds deciding deciding whether someone deserved the death penalty or not. The idea that this classifies as "justice" is so stupid it hurts. He was utterly irredeemable, and a garbage human. Light did absolutely everything wrong.
I have the feeling the story was deliberately written this way, where Light’s method is "proven wrong" not due to the method itself but stemming from the person's flaws, and not addressing the method at all to avoid anyone getting the wrong message. Because the morale from the story was Light was wrong because he killed innocents (cops and agents sent after him), the implication being he was right if he had not done those things. They did the same thing in American History X where the protagonist states some true albeit offensive things then he attacks someone for no reason for the viewer to dismiss his arguments as crazy ramblings. The anime can't have a version of Light that is morally consistent because it cannot have that conversation, it's an anime. Imagine a Light that did not kill fake L or any agents following him. You could still address the method by the punishment not fitting the crime, punishing the innocent because they seem guilty, etc. Capital punishment, execution already exists in the real world and Light is really no different. They establish him as only killing those who "deserve it", it's a literal plot point as when Higuchi gets the death note people suspect Kira is a different person as he is just killing whoever shows up on TV. The author could have made a deeper statement on morality and capital punishment but he reduced it to an ancient tale of hubris.
@@chrisdawson1776 We can't even be sure that all "criminals" he killed were really guilty. I mean, yeah, it's just an anime, but it's not that uncommon for people judged guilty while innocent. It's a broken world after all. Corruption, false accusations, misleading evidences and incompetence exist after all.
@@blackharmonics4518 That's my point, we are led to assume from the anime that all of Light's kills of criminals were justified from a judicial standpoint even if immoral. The anime never addresses the core problem of capital punishment in that there will be people who are innocent but found guilty. They entirely skip fundamental issues with capital punishment and instead pin the evilness on Light on him killing civilians, implication being capital punishment is actually okay if you're only targeting criminals.
I remember someone saying something about Walter White: that he was never 'good', only 'harmless'. I think you can say the same thing for Light Yagami before he gets the Death Note.
yeah after i watched death note I'm surprised by how similar they're. both are geniuses that given too much authority than their ego could handle. expect kira is way more insane and smart
I agree. I think the anime ending still serves a good purpose, and is perhaps better for those who are bigger fans of Light (as its not nearly as humiliating as the manga version)
@@TheDoomerDen humiliation is not bad, can't make everyone happy and characters showing their true colors is a good thing even if it's showing bad sides.
Regarding the possibility of the Death Note corrupting him: I think it did to some degree and we can see this with him returning to being good when he gave up the Death Note and lost his memories. And it’s been stated by the authors that had me not found the Death Note he would have become one of the world’s greatest police officers. At the same time though Ryuk stated that Light was abnormally murderous for someone who finds a Death Note, that most people who find one write one name in it just to see what would happen and immediately become horrified and never use it again.
As a writer with a small god complex I've always loved Death Note. Not because I see Light as the good guy (He very much isn't and I know this even while relating to him a little) but because he's really well written.
I don't get why people keep saying that Light was always like this deep down inside when the author has stated what his life would've been like without the Death Note. It feels like people are just nihilists and can't comprehend that good people are objectively good IF they never run into a corrupting force at the time of their life where they're susceptible to it. No one is perfect, saints don't exist, no one is born evil. Bullshit.
my question is, why are people so up in arms about what light did?? I should point out, if something like the US army or CIA got a hold of the death note, would they not use it to effortlessly eliminate their targets regardless of fair trials or whatever else? Of course they would, and no one would say a thing cuz its the government. People don't seem to realize their governments are wielding deadly power without any fair trials, barely any oversight.
I disagree strongly with “Absolute power corrupts absolutely”. It has a similar theme to the statistics phrase: “correlation but not causation”. Is it true that often times having unchecked power leads to the worst time of people? Yes. But there have been those who have turned down similar power; one example being George Washington who implicitly turned down the offer to become King after the Revolutionary War (he wasn’t technically offered it, but was suggested that there should be a strong executive called “King” that would rule the new nation under military authority; by vehemently refusing such an idea he was indirectly removing himself from the opportunity (he also had considerable influence at the time)). In other words, if someone has strong, virtuous ideals the temptation can be resisted. Having unlimited power in itself will not corrupt someone. In my opinion, it only reveals who you truly are. I full-heartedly agree with the adage that “Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man’s character, give him power.” So then, what person do you really think you are? Would you be any better, morally, than Kira?
I think you're severely downplaying the sheer brutality of light's killings. The idea that Light's God complex was a post-hoc rationalization is fucking comical, considering how he blatantly kills people he doesn't need to just for an ego ride. His intentions of jerking off to his ego cause his murderous actions, not the other way around. This is literally seen practically all throughout the death note, right from the get go. Light could have chosen not to kill the detective who opposed him on TV, ignored him, and kept on killing criminals as is (although that's already extremely fucked up by itself, for reasons I'll give if you ask me to, but not including to keep the comment short). But no, he deliberately led L all the way to him, just so he could get close and kill L. Why? Because he's an egomaniac who hates to lose. He would freely risk his "perfect world" for a literal power trip, he deliberately used his father's data as a police officer at tthe start so he could bring L to him. (He started killing ppl every hour instead of the evening as soon as he was suspectedof being a student to tell L that he had connections to the police.) Hell, he fucking murdered thousands of FBI agents just to "avoid suspicion" he would otherwise garner if he only killed Ray Penber, guy he never needed to kill anyway, because Ray was going to report Light as innocent. Light killed upstanding citizens to feel like a God, risked his own plans for power trips, and was otherwise a psychopathic maniac who killed people without remorse, and without giving an absolute shit about what people wanted. He literally killed thousands of people each day just because they appeared on TV. Forget fair trials, he'll forget even trials, the mother fucker never even spent more than 5 seconds deciding deciding whether someone deserved the death penalty or not He was utterly irredeemable, and a garbage human. He did absolutely everything wrong.
I truly agreed with you. I think i want to be good person but i care much about what others think about me including my parents and as i think i should stop care so much and how others will see me. Their illusions about me its their problems. I think we beautiful as species even though we so disgusting in same time. I would find way to create cure from cancer so i could save many lives
@OP Power can corrupt us in our weakest moments. People are different. There may be the ones like Washington who can turn down such temptations, but I guess, even he thought about it for a moment. We are impulsive / emotional creatures. Having a deadly tool in a weak / deeply angry moment could lead to a "crime in passion" and in some cases corrupt a person completly. Some would give in, some are strong enough to resist the urge. But those who gave in don't need to be "evil" on standard. Well... Giving in multiple times (or hundreds of thousand of times like in Lights case) aren't a good sign either... lol. There are multiple outcomes to a "what if Light didn't pick up / use the DN" scenario.
lol morality. Meanwhile, governments around the world are carrying out mass killings and assassinations of targets no one even knows about, because of some intelligence reports. No "fair" trials. Just a missile through their bedroom window. You know what their justification is? The greater good. This is reality btw not fiction. So if a guy like light is able to effectively eliminate war across the planet, and drops global crime rates by 70%, is he not justified?
Shogo makishima, Gilles de rais, Griffith, fujino asagami. There’s some more characters for you And just in case. Psycho pass, fate zero, berserk, the garden of sinners
@@TheDoomerDen Ohohoho! I'd be interested to get your take on Makishima; especially when you consider the whole romanticism vs enlightenment / individualism vs collectivism dynamic he has going on with the Sybil System :D
I don't know what to say, in the Death Note sequel, someone else receives the notebook and I wouldn't say it's corrupt. I think Light has always had this in him, desired to be something other than a mortal, a god and Death Note just brought it to light.(I don't know, does that make sense?)😑
Possibly yeah, him doing so well in academics and such might have given him a big head - even if he wasn't aware of it. It's not easy to remain humble. Even saying you're humble is an act of uh, not being very humble about it. I guess the truly virtuous person would have picked up the notebook and either destroyed it or kept it around until the shinigami came to pick it up. Using it in any way would be wrong, but then again if you look at it from a nihilistic point of view, right and wrong cannot be quantified.
It is ironic that despite having what one could consider the most "altruistic" goal (at least how it was initially presented) Light might be the most reprehensible person in this series so far, at least the others had gradual falls, tragedies, or extenuating circumstances surrounding their actions and chatacters, Light had the book for all of an afternoon before going full on "I will become the the god of the new World, and fuck anyone who even remotely gets in my way"
"The most reprehensible person in this series"? No the most reprehensible person in an _anime_ He's literally just as bad as Johan and Junko Enoshima. The moment you associate with this guy, you are a pawn, the moment you get involved with this guy, you die.
The question of if someone does something wrong has to boil down to their actions in the context of their situation. I find an argument oriented around his worldview to be uncompelling. He's egotistical, but he has every reason to be as such: he's brilliant for his age, he's effortlessly capable as an athlete, girls highly desire him, he's from a good family, he was handed the power over death itself, and his only confidants as Kira believe in what he is doing (or at least tacitly support it for fun in the case of Ryuk). Of course he's going to prioritize himself over his purported ideals, almost anyone would. People who want to tear Kira down risk taking away whatever benefits came from Kira's activities, therefore represent not only a threat to Light as an individual, but his entire new social order and religion, he hates them for the same reason that governments make treason a capital offense (even if they were born from treason, as is the case with the United States). I can't say that mentality is wrong. As to his actions, his killings were not calculated to efficiently bring about the world as he wanted it. There are clearly ways he could have gone about things better, and that difference is measured in lives lost. Light is very intelligent, but his priorities are definitely scrambled at times, which results in people who didn't deserve to die occasionally dying. While the stakes of mistakes are high, I don't think the perfect ought to be the enemy of the good. If total societal reform is the goal, there has to be some room for error, which can excuse some deaths resulting from misplaced priorities or of some people who didn't truly deserve to die. The question then becomes would the juice have been worth the squeeze - did Light at least have a reason to think that his society would actually be better than the current one? Light isn't given a whole lot of reason to distrust the authorities and their ability to bring criminals to justice. There is a lack of a personal motivation to commit vigilante acts, it's mostly an accident of circumstance that led him to have the power to do something. That "something" quickly escalated from experimentation with the notebook on subjects no one would miss to play God. His direction was more influenced by a domino effect rather than a grand vision from the outset. Ironically, he had more personal motivation early on (actual disgust for criminal acts as opposed to viewing them as props in his mental chess game), so the experimental deaths at the start of the series are more justified in one sense and less in another. The whole "god of the new world" thing was essentially a post-hoc rationalization to justify the crimes he had committed out of curiosity. But this post hoc rationalization would present a deterrent effect on crime, therefore minimize suffering except to the extent that people suffer if they commit crimes and have to fear Kira's wrath. It's not too far removed from how the government takes years away from people's lives and denies them future economic opportunities to discourage crimes. I think regardless of if Kira would be an effective deterrent, Light had enough justification to believe that it could have been although the situation prior to the show's events is not dire enough to necessitate a Kira. It could also be that once Kira would die, there'd be total chaos if he couldn't find an effective replacement, so I don't think the consequences of Kira were adequately considered by Light. So I wouldn't say Light did nothing wrong, but I would say what he did wrong was acceptably proportionate to his goals and to the fact that he's a human.
yeah Light acts like a strongman dictator eliminating anyone who dared to pose him or was in his way. He's so much of an egomaniac that he caused his own downfall along with any movement/ideology he could have made. Killing the L stand in and going after L just led the police to him (apart from not having any valid reason to kill him) had he just ignored the whole investigation they never would have gotten to him
I am still firmly in the "Light is a hero" view. He had to commit evil in order to vanquish evil, yes - largely in self-preservation. But in a way it's a noble sacrifice, to become evil to end evil. Much like Lelouch vi Britannia. his most questionable kills or outright immoral ones were all to preserve himself...which is a necessary evil in order to maintain "Kira"'s existence. The only true flaw is the lack of forethought on what you do after you're gone. Society would eventually fall back to how it was when they realise Kira is wrong. So in short, ultimately Kira should not only continue as before, but also begin creating a successor, a system of some sort in order to maintain the standards of kira. It could be prone to failure, but if the Watari orphanage can do basically the same thing with L mentality, Kira can too. At the end of the day, the world WAS becoming a better place thanks to Kira. There's nothing inherently wrong with capital punishment, but the real trouble with kira is his standards for WHO should die. Because he typically uses the news, he tends to go after people from the accusation or charge stage, rather than focus on those actually convicted. He also has rather low standards for what constitutes a death-worthy punishment. But, nevertheless, the general ideal is something I'd say is worthy of respect at least. That said, if I had to choose between Lelouch and Light as the one most worthy of respect when both commit evil to eliminate evil, I'd have to go with Lelouch over Light, merely because Light severely lacks forethought, and his ego meant that he wasn't truly making use of it in the best way possible. His desire to make an "entity" by using the same MO to kill is foolish and folly; if justice were the greatest concern, then he could have had a more interesting MO like forcing people to confess their sins before death. Rather than mere abstractions of punishment, the fear of absolute exposure could have done so much more. I mean, I say he's a hero, but that doesn't mean I think he did nothing wrong. I merely see his general aspirations as admirable, and he merely botched the execution.
From the start, its pretty obvious lights attention from the L Taylor scene,he could of simply from the start not killed him, he did but for what reason I ask you Not for power,somewhat for his ego, but the main thing that’s definitely not justices is simple He was bored,you can see how disappointed he was when the first person challenged him dies in a instance, but when L gets to talking he gets excited as all can be The justices was the first layer,ego was the second but at the core of it all,boredom made Kira Ryuks basically represents all the thoughts and feelings lights have but more upfront about things, he’s the pure outlet of light Boredom, light could of chilled in his room like ryuk could of chilled in the shingami realm, but they both wanted more I don’t think the death note really corrupted him more of gave him another option,before he could of been the basics shingami like ryuk that just lived life normally But the second he got the death note his cards were in a game that awaken something more in him then pure justices ever could,there was no morality in the center of the game
Ah Light, one of my favorite garbage people character. Gotta say that I agree with what seems to be the general sentiment in these comments in that I don't think the Death Note corrupted Light exactly. And I'll never consider Kira to be some different personality. At the end of the day, it's still just Light who got the 'right' outlet through which he could 1. Escape his daily boredom and 2. Create a perfect, just world. What I've always found interesting about him as a character is this great mix and even paradox of a selfish yet very selfless desire. His need to get out of routine and his egocentric self drove the mantle of Kira just as much as his wish to see what he considers to be a better world. Which ultimately plays why he and L are such great foils. L himself is driven by the challenge, the puzzle, the stimulation and he is much less of an upstanding guy that most viewers consider him to be. He's obviously not a mass murderer but I think this cynycal situation, of these two guys having all this power and talking about values and what is good while battling each other in what is basically a dick measuring contest reflects how things tend to be run in real life.
PLEASE do Eren Yeager (Attack on Titan), Tanya von Degurrechaff (Saga of Tanya the Evil), Kokichi Oma (Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony) Itachi Uchiha (Naruto), pretty much anyone from Fate/Zero but especially Kirei and Kiritsugu, and Kyubey (Madoka Magica)
@TwojaUlubionaRyba i saw once someone wrote comment that if Death Note took "right" human with sane psyche and good ambitions its could be great and he would make world better but i am not sure abd and i saw one post of one guy that human can't be objective and his actions can't be absolutely good and i agreed with that
@TwojaUlubionaRyba but as well this guy actually said that we should start think about massive killing of cattle as solution of social and economic problems and don't should give a fuck that about people will ask who will decide who will live and who will die and as Hitler. He said better as Hitler than as it is now. He meant here should be group of people as i got and said first its should be in constitution and I don't mind that if i could i would finance that in future cause i am tired in my life from cattle and douchebags
Light definitely did do wrong light yagami was simply wrong. i dont mean he deviated to a wrong path cause of the power he got getting to his head or whatever. he was simply wrong from the very beginning
I'm still not over the fact that there are some sick-minded people who actually side with Light's character. The bastard was just a power hungry, egotistical person who was presenting himself as a god. He wasn't killing criminals to help others, he was doing it to clarify his image as a god. I say, why'd he kill the guy on T.V in the first place when L was onto him. He didn't know the guy was a criminal yet he still killed him just because he wanted to get rid of the only person who could put a stop to his horrific acts. Light was a selfish psycho who would eradicate anyone who gets in his way of doing things even if they haven't done anything wrong. The detective and his fiance whom Light killed in the starting episodes, and many other innocent police officers. He killed L, laughs like a maniac everytime he kills a person who he seems to consider as an "obstacle" in his way of becoming a "god" saying that "I've won" like killing people is like a game to him. Anyone who supports Light's character has some really weak ass morals. Once again, the bastard was just an egotistical maniac and a dictator sort of guy who hated to lose and would kill anyone who gets in his way of doing things.
The first time watching the show I was like "I agree with everything he's doing so far. But it looks like he's gonna take it too far later." After I finished the show: "yup"
"There are 4 letters in my name. The most anyone's ever gotten were 2." *Later opens the book to see a note written in it regarding RYUK with his full name written in it.* Lol
My biggest complaint with the anime is we never see what a pitiful little man Light is. In the manga, when Light learns that Ryuk put his name in the notebook, he actually begs for his life and shouts “I DON’T WANT TO DIE!” until he actually does die. The so-called “God of the New World” actually begged for his life like a whimpering dog. And do you think any of his victims wanted to die? In the anime, he actually dies peacefully of a heart attack, and accepts his fate. I wanted to see him beg for his life like the coward he was.
know what light could have done in the end he could have made a death note forgery an kept the real one at home an stopped using the real one till he got his own apartment placing multilabel forgeries throughout different places along though ryuk with even pacing between writing in it he would have been harder to find along with not going on the world wide web at home but those are just food for thought
I'm surprised this video has so few views compared to your other ones! I pretty much agree with your view on Light. What you mentioned about the author wanting to focus on the chess game, I do think that was the only way to keep the series entertaining. I hope one day to see a spin-off or re-imagining that more explores the associated philosophical questions, though it doesn't have to be Death Note in particular, it could be any god-power story. That being said, have you seen ""? The main character Rimuru is set up to be one of the most powerful beings in his world, and he makes use of his powers to build a society for monsters. His actions can be framed as "for the greater good" but I wonder if that holds true as the story goes on. Anyway, if you haven't seen/read it, I think you'd like it.
What's interesting is that Walter White from BB dies in peace and in the end, acknowledges he did all of it for himself. Kira was unable to recognise that for himself and died in misery. Kinda interesting.
3:07 Yeah,ı am glad they removed that line in the anime. Since its makes Near a hypocrite,because himself is aware that removing Light will eventually start a domino affect that cost extreme chaos at global scale. Season 2 shoudnt exist. Do not look at me 12:47 And that to,ım glad they also removed that. Since it makes things more interesting for Light. Let me explain: Sure,it makes him look smarter. But cmon. İt removes the very important question of "Will you sacrifice your afterlife for your dream?". Since at that moment,Light did not killed anyone innocent yet. And still can rid of his ownership of the book. He still can walk away. And he choose not to. This shows how far Light willing to go to even before he goes full physco mod.
I would love it if you made a video on code geass and monster. The way you speak of the characters and their motivations feels like you understand them instead of stopping at the superficial and common outlook. I particularly liked your video on Bondrewd
I feel like it's really interesting to compare Light Yagami with Emiya Kiritsugu from Fate/Zero, because they're so similar, yet such opposites. They're nearly Identical at surface level, they are both relentless killers who target bad people, and will even kill civilians if they think it's necessary, all in favor of 'justice' and their ultimate goal of an ideal world. However, Kiritsugu's methods are for more extreme, while light will sometimes target civilians, he'll rarely kill someone who doesn't oppose him, while Kiritsugu will sacrifice as many innocents as necessary for 'the greater good'. But I feel like their biggest difference, is that Kiritsugu is what Light 'pretends' to be. While Light's ideals are just a mask to hide his real reasons, which are his ego and God complex, Kiritsugu genuinely believes in his ideals, everything he does, is for the sake of a better world. While Light places his ego above his 'perfect world', Kiritsugu sacrifices himself for the sake of his ideals. (Sorry, I know it must look stupid, the guy with the Fate pfp writing an essay about a Fate character in a death note video. But I just think it's interesting to compare characters who are so similar at their surface, yet so different at their core, and I think Kiritsugu would also be a good candidate for a 'did nothing wrong' video.)
Tbh ngl i see Light as another dictator and i hate any dictators. But problem that in our life people will call you egoist even if you truly want to help them and make their lives better so like you just think what you all want from me? So as 22 yo guy i wanna somehow act good but I don't care much how others will see me as good or bad cause i think its will lead me to nothingness its not will lead me to successfull changings of other lives of humans and our world
I honestly think that if you write down the names of everyone that is mean spirited or cruel on the death note then you might as well wipe out the entire human species
If you have not seen Shinsekai Yori, STOP READING THIS and watch this great series. Please do a Squaler from Shinsekai Yori did nothing wrong video. He is one of my favorite antagonists in anime. Once a lowly messenger became a general and leader of his people,. He attempted a rebellion to try to save its species from humans, he also unified independent colonies and institutionalized democracy, all these while implementing merciless methods to achieve his goals.
I’m just going to ask, did you see the musical? It feels like it’s closer to the manga you describe (haven’t read it yet, my to-read-manga-list is enormous, I’ll get to it one day. Hopefully.)
He did do wrong things. That's a fact. Did he also do good? Yes. That's what you get with anyone. Everyone does good things and bad things. The question is did you get more good than bad. With Light, yes, the 70% reduction in crimes and stopping of wars does so much good that it outweighs everything bad he did. Yes, he is evil. The results of his actions are not.
@pantsmonsterv6 abortion - kills people so that fewer people get better lives. Light - kills people so that more people get better lives. Failed again, try again later.
In my opinion light was neither a hero or a villain he was more Anti Hero and the reason why say that is because he had a great idea of making a world a better place by killing criminals but he also used people and Even thought about killing his sister and I can go on but we will be here all day
He did some dodgy things but stats don’t lie, crime did go down 80%, wars did stop, more innocent productive people were saved than evil and useless people were killed, it’s not a matter of did nothing wrong it’s a matter of the positives outweigh the negatives
Well I can't believe I'm saying this ,but light is like Hitler, yes ,he could have been an artist that ppl will admire his work over time ,but he instead forced an ideology on himself by himself, began to have a superiority complex ,and create a world where he ruled over everyone he conquer.
No, one person in the sequel does not use it that way, and even one of the follow up kiras does, dont they euthanize r?! That, is relective of ones value and those kira actually had decent ones. Yes its stil murder but euthanizing isnt bad. And it shown that people act ate their own values and lights, he might just have become a policeman or politician abusing his power , but he would go there eventually wih his mindset. Its not the one ring, its just a tool. Power dont corupt, it reveals.
Great video. But the real question which you did not answer nor attempt to answer is whether using the death note on criminals is wrong. Light absolutely got lost in the sauce, but he still lowered crime rates by 70% and ended war. So did he really do anything wrong? Law abiding citizens had nothing to fear
Furthermore, you mentioned that people who opposed Kira were at the bottom of the totem pole. But Light didn’t really care whether or not people disagreed with his ideology. Every single innocent person Light killed or even considered killing was a loose end. In fact, if he had not killed Lind L. Taylor, he probably wouldn’t have killed a single innocent
I disagree that power brings corruption. Power just brings out things that were hidden and sealed. These bad sides and characteristics were hidden and sealed is because it is disadvantage to indulge in it, they were of lower priority. But with absolute power those things no longer need to be hidden or sealed and when they surfaced they were seen as corruption. Though I cannot truly deny that power brings corruption. As with power you are faced with more temptations, your perspective of things become more broad and you get to know more things. Perhaps it is more appropriate to say that absolute knowledge corrupts absolutely.
As a Non-Christian death note fan myself, your comment is miss the mark really bad. Those religous symbolizms are just there,due to do art direction. I do beleive the main theme is like "Would you sacrifice your freedom for a safer world?". Light is stands there as the yes. He ended %70 of global crimes. And this is why its makes him so hard to argue. He gives the results. L and Others are stands there for "no". Since Kira start to act to out of control. Killed many innocent people And actually planned to kill lazy people.
What else makes Light detestable is he hinted at desires to wipe out the lazy and those who felt didn't contribute enough to the world after he finished with criminals so really as he thinned the line on who should get wiped out it would mean nobody was really safe from what he considered a person not welcome in his perfect world.
Yup, in many ways he resembles the classic fascist leaders from history. Those kinds of people pretend to be the absolute purest when it comes to morals, but they consider their definition of 'morals' to be the only correct one - in other words, they're megalomaniacs.
it wasn't him. It was Teru idea.
Kira was pretty much only after "bad" people. that's before the police started trying to find him
And? As much of a lazy ass you probably subconsciously think you are, Light wouldn't have lived long enough to off your sort. And this world would be better off if the worst of humanity were offed as fast as their names could be written, regardless of whether it eventually would have killed off those worth preserving, (which is remarkably few people anyway).
@@mikescarlet4261 I’m paraphrasing but Light literally says something like “It’s too early for that” when Kiyomi mentions killing the lazy. That’s a huge hint that Light was already planning to weed out the “undesirable” people after he got rid of all the criminals.
@@ChuckSneed_or it's light being his usual manipulative self. Like he never had a reason to not go after the "undesirables" alongside the criminals. So if that was actually on his list. He wouldn't need to put it off.
Power attracts already corrupt people far more often than corrupting regular ones, highly doubt L would've used the Death Note the same way Light did if he was the one who stumbled upon it first.
I'd imagine most would try to destroy or hide it. It's a clearly unnatural weapon; the whole thing has a 'wrongness' to it.
It's been a long time since I've read the manga, but I think I remember reading in the epilogue portion that the Shinigami that tried to recreate what Ryuk did with other humans have said that other humans usually commit su*ic*ide when handling the Death Note, so that it showed Light and Misa were unique mentally to handle it.
It's like the Ring of Power or the Necronomicon, an object of importance that few can handle and can corrupt people when misused.
And if L would hav used it, which is unlikely tht he would use it more than for trying it out, he has very high ethics and would be extremely selective where he would, if. Not saying he is a good person per se, but he is highly ethical.
Power corrupts, but I was already corrupt.
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I refuse to cut Light slack tbh. I don't like the "the Death Note corrupted him" interpretation. Light has signs of always having been an arrogant sociopath. And he was always a childish coward. The loss of his memory just restored the superego, without absolute power he kept up his good boy persona that formed likely due to regular social pressure.
I disagree. I think that the Death Note did indeed corrupt him to an extent. It’s been stated multiple times by both the author and material that has Light never gotten the Death Note he would’ve gone on to become one of the world’s greatest police officers and eventually partnered up with L. During Light’s memory loss period he was completely unable to bring himself to commit any of the deeds that “Kira” would do such as taking advantage of Misa’s feelings or allowing deaths to occur just to come one step closer to finishing an investigation, (in fact he adamantly refused to allow the Yotsuba group to continue killings despite L himself stating that it would be the most effective way of catching them, Hell he even went as far as betting on a 2 out of 7 chance that the person who would not be Kira but also have enough authority among the board to buy them the time they need in order to figure the case out would be intimidated by L, JUST to save those few lives, whose names and faces he’d never have known, that the board would’ve sacrificed. Which L himself even compliments by saying that it’s something he might’ve came up with but was instead orchestrated by Light before even himself) Furthermore it’s been stated by the Author himself that Light was the greatest victim out of all those whom used the Death Note. Though he deserved every bit of what was coming to him, Light Yagami was as much a victim of the Death Note as everybody else we saw die during the series.
@@alirezaomrani7650 in this context i think it’s kinda fair to compare the Death note to the internet in a way. The internet lets you do and say what you want with almost full anonymity and (if you’ve ever seen twitter) many people choose to use that anonymity to be dickheads. The internet itself doesn’t corrupt people because it’s merely a tool and there are people online that aren’t absolutely horrendous. You could say that the dickheads are actually nice in person, but if they’re really nice in person why are they toxic online? Light always had that evil in him, he just couldn’t act upon it. In reality the true evil isn’t the ability to kill, it’s unchecked power.
@@staby3956 Comparing the DN to the internet is an interesting way to see this. But I think it's a bit different tho (and not only because the DN is an unearthly tool brought by a shinigami in an anime). I also believe that the possibility alone could bring out the worst inside of us, like having a deadly murderous tool in our hands and the possibility to change the rules significantly. I bet that every single one of us just wanted to kill somebody for whatever reason, even if we didn't mean it seriously. If we had that tool in the right (or false - just a way of perspective) moment, maybe this low impulse would've grown bigger until the point of no return.
But regularly we wouldn't give in.
So I think that Light having the possibility to give in to that impulse with the DN just let that impulse grew to an extend where he couldn't control it any longer. If he didn't have that tool, maye he would have overcome this and would reach adulthood like every other regular person. (Or maybe he would've become an insane killer in another way... who knows?)
Edit: Surfing through the anonymity of the internet can also bring out our "dickhead" side in a weak and impulsive moment. If we are angry, we often tend to vent our anger through mean words. We don't mean it and we regret saying mean stuff when we are chilled again. So yeah, I get, why you compared the DN to the internet. But it's true that some people just are dickheads in general, even if they play nice in person.
I think people severely downplay the sheer brutality of light's killings.
Light could have chosen not to kill the detective who opposed him on TV, ignored him, and kept on killing criminals as is (although that's already extremely fucked up by itself, for reasons I'll give at the end). But no, he deliberately led L all the way to him, just so he could get close and kill L. Why? Because he's an egomaniac who hates to lose. He would freely risk his "perfect world" for a literal power trip, he deliberately used his father's data as a police officer at tthe start so he could bring L to him. (He started killing criminals every hour instead of the evening as soon as he was suspected of being a student to tell L that he had connections to the police.)
Hell, he fucking murdered thousands of FBI agents just to "avoid suspicion" he would otherwise garner if he only killed Ray Penber, a guy he never needed to kill anyway, because Ray was going to report Light as innocent. Light killed upstanding citizens to feel like a God, risked his own plans for power trips, and was otherwise a psychopathic maniac who killed people without remorse, and without giving an absolute shit about what people wanted.
He literally killed thousands of people each day just because they appeared on TV. Forget fair trials, hell forget even trials, the mother fucker never even spent more than 5 seconds deciding deciding whether someone deserved the death penalty or not.
The idea that this classifies as "justice" is so stupid it hurts.
He was utterly irredeemable, and a garbage human.
Light did absolutely everything wrong.
I have the feeling the story was deliberately written this way, where Light’s method is "proven wrong" not due to the method itself but stemming from the person's flaws, and not addressing the method at all to avoid anyone getting the wrong message. Because the morale from the story was Light was wrong because he killed innocents (cops and agents sent after him), the implication being he was right if he had not done those things. They did the same thing in American History X where the protagonist states some true albeit offensive things then he attacks someone for no reason for the viewer to dismiss his arguments as crazy ramblings.
The anime can't have a version of Light that is morally consistent because it cannot have that conversation, it's an anime. Imagine a Light that did not kill fake L or any agents following him. You could still address the method by the punishment not fitting the crime, punishing the innocent because they seem guilty, etc. Capital punishment, execution already exists in the real world and Light is really no different. They establish him as only killing those who "deserve it", it's a literal plot point as when Higuchi gets the death note people suspect Kira is a different person as he is just killing whoever shows up on TV. The author could have made a deeper statement on morality and capital punishment but he reduced it to an ancient tale of hubris.
@@chrisdawson1776 yeah capital execution just created for justify animal wish of crowd
Intelligence doesn't mean much if you don't have good emotional intelligence. That's why Light fell into an egomaniac.
@@chrisdawson1776 We can't even be sure that all "criminals" he killed were really guilty. I mean, yeah, it's just an anime, but it's not that uncommon for people judged guilty while innocent. It's a broken world after all. Corruption, false accusations, misleading evidences and incompetence exist after all.
@@blackharmonics4518 That's my point, we are led to assume from the anime that all of Light's kills of criminals were justified from a judicial standpoint even if immoral. The anime never addresses the core problem of capital punishment in that there will be people who are innocent but found guilty. They entirely skip fundamental issues with capital punishment and instead pin the evilness on Light on him killing civilians, implication being capital punishment is actually okay if you're only targeting criminals.
I remember someone saying something about Walter White: that he was never 'good', only 'harmless'. I think you can say the same thing for Light Yagami before he gets the Death Note.
yeah after i watched death note I'm surprised by how similar they're. both are geniuses that given too much authority than their ego could handle.
expect kira is way more insane and smart
Before he gets the death note.....
Do you mean before that moment in episode 1?
Or a while after he's had the death note?
I agree about walter but light was a good person he refused to manipulate Misa Amane and I think the death note made him go mad with power
@@S.D.323 he's been a pretty damn bad person since episode 1. On the basis of his completely irresponsibility with human lives.
I am kinda sad the manga's ending was not adapted in the anime but the one we got actually was not too bad
I agree. I think the anime ending still serves a good purpose, and is perhaps better for those who are bigger fans of Light (as its not nearly as humiliating as the manga version)
@@TheDoomerDen humiliation is not bad, can't make everyone happy and characters showing their true colors is a good thing even if it's showing bad sides.
What was the manga’s actual ending?
Edit: never mind I just watched the full video
I vastly prefer the manga's ending. Light got everything he deserved.
Regarding the possibility of the Death Note corrupting him: I think it did to some degree and we can see this with him returning to being good when he gave up the Death Note and lost his memories. And it’s been stated by the authors that had me not found the Death Note he would have become one of the world’s greatest police officers. At the same time though Ryuk stated that Light was abnormally murderous for someone who finds a Death Note, that most people who find one write one name in it just to see what would happen and immediately become horrified and never use it again.
It didn’t in some degree. He ways always a psychopath
As a writer with a small god complex I've always loved Death Note. Not because I see Light as the good guy (He very much isn't and I know this even while relating to him a little) but because he's really well written.
I don't get why people keep saying that Light was always like this deep down inside when the author has stated what his life would've been like without the Death Note. It feels like people are just nihilists and can't comprehend that good people are objectively good IF they never run into a corrupting force at the time of their life where they're susceptible to it. No one is perfect, saints don't exist, no one is born evil. Bullshit.
my question is, why are people so up in arms about what light did?? I should point out, if something like the US army or CIA got a hold of the death note, would they not use it to effortlessly eliminate their targets regardless of fair trials or whatever else? Of course they would, and no one would say a thing cuz its the government. People don't seem to realize their governments are wielding deadly power without any fair trials, barely any oversight.
I disagree strongly with “Absolute power corrupts absolutely”. It has a similar theme to the statistics phrase: “correlation but not causation”. Is it true that often times having unchecked power leads to the worst time of people? Yes. But there have been those who have turned down similar power; one example being George Washington who implicitly turned down the offer to become King after the Revolutionary War (he wasn’t technically offered it, but was suggested that there should be a strong executive called “King” that would rule the new nation under military authority; by vehemently refusing such an idea he was indirectly removing himself from the opportunity (he also had considerable influence at the time)). In other words, if someone has strong, virtuous ideals the temptation can be resisted.
Having unlimited power in itself will not corrupt someone. In my opinion, it only reveals who you truly are. I full-heartedly agree with the adage that “Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man’s character, give him power.”
So then, what person do you really think you are? Would you be any better, morally, than Kira?
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I think you're severely downplaying the sheer brutality of light's killings. The idea that Light's God complex was a post-hoc rationalization is fucking comical, considering how he blatantly kills people he doesn't need to just for an ego ride.
His intentions of jerking off to his ego cause his murderous actions, not the other way around. This is literally seen practically all throughout the death note, right from the get go.
Light could have chosen not to kill the detective who opposed him on TV, ignored him, and kept on killing criminals as is (although that's already extremely fucked up by itself, for reasons I'll give if you ask me to, but not including to keep the comment short). But no, he deliberately led L all the way to him, just so he could get close and kill L. Why? Because he's an egomaniac who hates to lose. He would freely risk his "perfect world" for a literal power trip, he deliberately used his father's data as a police officer at tthe start so he could bring L to him. (He started killing ppl every hour instead of the evening as soon as he was suspectedof being a student to tell L that he had connections to the police.)
Hell, he fucking murdered thousands of FBI agents just to "avoid suspicion" he would otherwise garner if he only killed Ray Penber, guy he never needed to kill anyway, because Ray was going to report Light as innocent. Light killed upstanding citizens to feel like a God, risked his own plans for power trips, and was otherwise a psychopathic maniac who killed people without remorse, and without giving an absolute shit about what people wanted.
He literally killed thousands of people each day just because they appeared on TV. Forget fair trials, he'll forget even trials, the mother fucker never even spent more than 5 seconds deciding deciding whether someone deserved the death penalty or not
He was utterly irredeemable, and a garbage human. He did absolutely everything wrong.
I truly agreed with you. I think i want to be good person but i care much about what others think about me including my parents and as i think i should stop care so much and how others will see me. Their illusions about me its their problems. I think we beautiful as species even though we so disgusting in same time. I would find way to create cure from cancer so i could save many lives
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Power can corrupt us in our weakest moments. People are different. There may be the ones like Washington who can turn down such temptations, but I guess, even he thought about it for a moment. We are impulsive / emotional creatures. Having a deadly tool in a weak / deeply angry moment could lead to a "crime in passion" and in some cases corrupt a person completly. Some would give in, some are strong enough to resist the urge. But those who gave in don't need to be "evil" on standard. Well... Giving in multiple times (or hundreds of thousand of times like in Lights case) aren't a good sign either... lol.
There are multiple outcomes to a "what if Light didn't pick up / use the DN" scenario.
lol morality. Meanwhile, governments around the world are carrying out mass killings and assassinations of targets no one even knows about, because of some intelligence reports. No "fair" trials. Just a missile through their bedroom window. You know what their justification is? The greater good. This is reality btw not fiction. So if a guy like light is able to effectively eliminate war across the planet, and drops global crime rates by 70%, is he not justified?
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There’s some more characters for you
And just in case. Psycho pass, fate zero, berserk, the garden of sinners
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@@TheDoomerDen Ohohoho! I'd be interested to get your take on Makishima; especially when you consider the whole romanticism vs enlightenment / individualism vs collectivism dynamic he has going on with the Sybil System :D
I don't know what to say, in the Death Note sequel, someone else receives the notebook and I wouldn't say it's corrupt. I think Light has always had this in him, desired to be something other than a mortal, a god and Death Note just brought it to light.(I don't know, does that make sense?)😑
Certainly does make sense! In the sequel, all the other guy wanted to do was sell it.
Possibly yeah, him doing so well in academics and such might have given him a big head - even if he wasn't aware of it. It's not easy to remain humble. Even saying you're humble is an act of uh, not being very humble about it. I guess the truly virtuous person would have picked up the notebook and either destroyed it or kept it around until the shinigami came to pick it up. Using it in any way would be wrong, but then again if you look at it from a nihilistic point of view, right and wrong cannot be quantified.
I'm sorry but the new kid never used the death note so that is probably why he never went crazy
It's been a while.
And yes he wronged his intentions were never good only appeared to be good on the surface
It is ironic that despite having what one could consider the most "altruistic" goal (at least how it was initially presented) Light might be the most reprehensible person in this series so far, at least the others had gradual falls, tragedies, or extenuating circumstances surrounding their actions and chatacters, Light had the book for all of an afternoon before going full on "I will become the the god of the new World, and fuck anyone who even remotely gets in my way"
Didn't even think about that! Definitely really ironic.
"The most reprehensible person in this series"?
No the most reprehensible person in an _anime_
He's literally just as bad as Johan and Junko Enoshima. The moment you associate with this guy, you are a pawn, the moment you get involved with this guy, you die.
The question of if someone does something wrong has to boil down to their actions in the context of their situation. I find an argument oriented around his worldview to be uncompelling. He's egotistical, but he has every reason to be as such: he's brilliant for his age, he's effortlessly capable as an athlete, girls highly desire him, he's from a good family, he was handed the power over death itself, and his only confidants as Kira believe in what he is doing (or at least tacitly support it for fun in the case of Ryuk). Of course he's going to prioritize himself over his purported ideals, almost anyone would. People who want to tear Kira down risk taking away whatever benefits came from Kira's activities, therefore represent not only a threat to Light as an individual, but his entire new social order and religion, he hates them for the same reason that governments make treason a capital offense (even if they were born from treason, as is the case with the United States). I can't say that mentality is wrong.
As to his actions, his killings were not calculated to efficiently bring about the world as he wanted it. There are clearly ways he could have gone about things better, and that difference is measured in lives lost. Light is very intelligent, but his priorities are definitely scrambled at times, which results in people who didn't deserve to die occasionally dying. While the stakes of mistakes are high, I don't think the perfect ought to be the enemy of the good. If total societal reform is the goal, there has to be some room for error, which can excuse some deaths resulting from misplaced priorities or of some people who didn't truly deserve to die. The question then becomes would the juice have been worth the squeeze - did Light at least have a reason to think that his society would actually be better than the current one?
Light isn't given a whole lot of reason to distrust the authorities and their ability to bring criminals to justice. There is a lack of a personal motivation to commit vigilante acts, it's mostly an accident of circumstance that led him to have the power to do something. That "something" quickly escalated from experimentation with the notebook on subjects no one would miss to play God. His direction was more influenced by a domino effect rather than a grand vision from the outset. Ironically, he had more personal motivation early on (actual disgust for criminal acts as opposed to viewing them as props in his mental chess game), so the experimental deaths at the start of the series are more justified in one sense and less in another. The whole "god of the new world" thing was essentially a post-hoc rationalization to justify the crimes he had committed out of curiosity. But this post hoc rationalization would present a deterrent effect on crime, therefore minimize suffering except to the extent that people suffer if they commit crimes and have to fear Kira's wrath. It's not too far removed from how the government takes years away from people's lives and denies them future economic opportunities to discourage crimes. I think regardless of if Kira would be an effective deterrent, Light had enough justification to believe that it could have been although the situation prior to the show's events is not dire enough to necessitate a Kira. It could also be that once Kira would die, there'd be total chaos if he couldn't find an effective replacement, so I don't think the consequences of Kira were adequately considered by Light.
So I wouldn't say Light did nothing wrong, but I would say what he did wrong was acceptably proportionate to his goals and to the fact that he's a human.
Lelouch is more Did nothing wrong than Light
Light wasn't bad. He just had one too many gamer moments
Anyone who thinks he was doing nothing wrong probably needs to be on some meds js 😂😂😂
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Light did everything wrong🤣. He wanted to create a new world shaped in his image. He can’t be defended
yeah Light acts like a strongman dictator eliminating anyone who dared to pose him or was in his way. He's so much of an egomaniac that he caused his own downfall along with any movement/ideology he could have made. Killing the L stand in and going after L just led the police to him (apart from not having any valid reason to kill him) had he just ignored the whole investigation they never would have gotten to him
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I am still firmly in the "Light is a hero" view. He had to commit evil in order to vanquish evil, yes - largely in self-preservation. But in a way it's a noble sacrifice, to become evil to end evil. Much like Lelouch vi Britannia. his most questionable kills or outright immoral ones were all to preserve himself...which is a necessary evil in order to maintain "Kira"'s existence. The only true flaw is the lack of forethought on what you do after you're gone. Society would eventually fall back to how it was when they realise Kira is wrong. So in short, ultimately Kira should not only continue as before, but also begin creating a successor, a system of some sort in order to maintain the standards of kira. It could be prone to failure, but if the Watari orphanage can do basically the same thing with L mentality, Kira can too.
At the end of the day, the world WAS becoming a better place thanks to Kira. There's nothing inherently wrong with capital punishment, but the real trouble with kira is his standards for WHO should die. Because he typically uses the news, he tends to go after people from the accusation or charge stage, rather than focus on those actually convicted. He also has rather low standards for what constitutes a death-worthy punishment. But, nevertheless, the general ideal is something I'd say is worthy of respect at least.
That said, if I had to choose between Lelouch and Light as the one most worthy of respect when both commit evil to eliminate evil, I'd have to go with Lelouch over Light, merely because Light severely lacks forethought, and his ego meant that he wasn't truly making use of it in the best way possible. His desire to make an "entity" by using the same MO to kill is foolish and folly; if justice were the greatest concern, then he could have had a more interesting MO like forcing people to confess their sins before death. Rather than mere abstractions of punishment, the fear of absolute exposure could have done so much more.
I mean, I say he's a hero, but that doesn't mean I think he did nothing wrong. I merely see his general aspirations as admirable, and he merely botched the execution.
Lelouch have selfawareness, Light has NONE
From the start, its pretty obvious lights attention from the L Taylor scene,he could of simply from the start not killed him, he did but for what reason I ask you
Not for power,somewhat for his ego, but the main thing that’s definitely not justices is simple
He was bored,you can see how disappointed he was when the first person challenged him dies in a instance, but when L gets to talking he gets excited as all can be
The justices was the first layer,ego was the second but at the core of it all,boredom made Kira
Ryuks basically represents all the thoughts and feelings lights have but more upfront about things, he’s the pure outlet of light Boredom, light could of chilled in his room like ryuk could of chilled in the shingami realm, but they both wanted more
I don’t think the death note really corrupted him more of gave him another option,before he could of been the basics shingami like ryuk that just lived life normally
But the second he got the death note his cards were in a game that awaken something more in him then pure justices ever could,there was no morality in the center of the game
That's true he was just bored and possible deep inside wanted to kill people
Light is the best
graveyards are full of indispensable men
Ah Light, one of my favorite garbage people character.
Gotta say that I agree with what seems to be the general sentiment in these comments in that I don't think the Death Note corrupted Light exactly. And I'll never consider Kira to be some different personality. At the end of the day, it's still just Light who got the 'right' outlet through which he could 1. Escape his daily boredom and 2. Create a perfect, just world.
What I've always found interesting about him as a character is this great mix and even paradox of a selfish yet very selfless desire. His need to get out of routine and his egocentric self drove the mantle of Kira just as much as his wish to see what he considers to be a better world.
Which ultimately plays why he and L are such great foils. L himself is driven by the challenge, the puzzle, the stimulation and he is much less of an upstanding guy that most viewers consider him to be. He's obviously not a mass murderer but I think this cynycal situation, of these two guys having all this power and talking about values and what is good while battling each other in what is basically a dick measuring contest reflects how things tend to be run in real life.
Me: * reads title * Oh! It seems like someone choose violence. Here we go.
PLEASE do Eren Yeager (Attack on Titan), Tanya von Degurrechaff (Saga of Tanya the Evil), Kokichi Oma (Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony) Itachi Uchiha (Naruto), pretty much anyone from Fate/Zero but especially Kirei and Kiritsugu, and Kyubey (Madoka Magica)
Oh the amount of times I wish I had a Death Note
@TwojaUlubionaRyba oh don't pretend you never wanted one
@TwojaUlubionaRyba i saw once someone wrote comment that if Death Note took "right" human with sane psyche and good ambitions its could be great and he would make world better but i am not sure abd and i saw one post of one guy that human can't be objective and his actions can't be absolutely good and i agreed with that
@TwojaUlubionaRyba but as well this guy actually said that we should start think about massive killing of cattle as solution of social and economic problems and don't should give a fuck that about people will ask who will decide who will live and who will die and as Hitler. He said better as Hitler than as it is now. He meant here should be group of people as i got and said first its should be in constitution and I don't mind that if i could i would finance that in future cause i am tired in my life from cattle and douchebags
People really hate how light just lost cause bad luck but most high intellect criminals loose cause bad luck
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Light definitely did do wrong
light yagami was simply wrong.
i dont mean he deviated to a wrong path cause of the power he got getting to his head or whatever.
he was simply wrong from the very beginning
@pantsmonsterv6 nice argument senator
@pantsmonsterv6 tf you mean. what does that have anything to do with some rando killing off people?
It’s painful how many viewers of the anime see light as a good guy😢
I'm still not over the fact that there are some sick-minded people who actually side with Light's character. The bastard was just a power hungry, egotistical person who was presenting himself as a god. He wasn't killing criminals to help others, he was doing it to clarify his image as a god. I say, why'd he kill the guy on T.V in the first place when L was onto him. He didn't know the guy was a criminal yet he still killed him just because he wanted to get rid of the only person who could put a stop to his horrific acts. Light was a selfish psycho who would eradicate anyone who gets in his way of doing things even if they haven't done anything wrong. The detective and his fiance whom Light killed in the starting episodes, and many other innocent police officers. He killed L, laughs like a maniac everytime he kills a person who he seems to consider as an "obstacle" in his way of becoming a "god" saying that "I've won" like killing people is like a game to him. Anyone who supports Light's character has some really weak ass morals. Once again, the bastard was just an egotistical maniac and a dictator sort of guy who hated to lose and would kill anyone who gets in his way of doing things.
List did nothing wrong
I did it boiz, I solved moral dilemmas 😎
The first time watching the show I was like "I agree with everything he's doing so far. But it looks like he's gonna take it too far later."
After I finished the show: "yup"
"There are 4 letters in my name. The most anyone's ever gotten were 2."
*Later opens the book to see a note written in it regarding RYUK with his full name written in it.*
Lol
Request: Johan did nothing wrong.
The man, the myth, the legend returns!
YESSSSSSSSSS
also hope your doing well🥺😊🍞
Better now thanks!
@@TheDoomerDen GOOD!
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My biggest complaint with the anime is we never see what a pitiful little man Light is. In the manga, when Light learns that Ryuk put his name in the notebook, he actually begs for his life and shouts “I DON’T WANT TO DIE!” until he actually does die.
The so-called “God of the New World” actually begged for his life like a whimpering dog. And do you think any of his victims wanted to die?
In the anime, he actually dies peacefully of a heart attack, and accepts his fate. I wanted to see him beg for his life like the coward he was.
know what light could have done in the end he could have made a death note forgery an kept the real one at home an stopped using the real one till he got his own apartment placing multilabel forgeries throughout different places along though ryuk with even pacing between writing in it he would have been harder to find along with not going on the world wide web at home but those are just food for thought
Just remember a show and was wondering if Squaler from Shinsekai Yori did anything really wrong
I'm surprised this video has so few views compared to your other ones! I pretty much agree with your view on Light. What you mentioned about the author wanting to focus on the chess game, I do think that was the only way to keep the series entertaining. I hope one day to see a spin-off or re-imagining that more explores the associated philosophical questions, though it doesn't have to be Death Note in particular, it could be any god-power story. That being said, have you seen ""? The main character Rimuru is set up to be one of the most powerful beings in his world, and he makes use of his powers to build a society for monsters. His actions can be framed as "for the greater good" but I wonder if that holds true as the story goes on. Anyway, if you haven't seen/read it, I think you'd like it.
Thanks for the recommendation!
Hope Angron wins next
I'll definitely do him, especially with all the upcoming Horus Heresy stuff
Yes
I disagree on 1 thing. Light would totally be a shitty cop
*finds Death Note on the ground*
I wonder who's name i should write down first 🤔🤔
L Lawliet and Nate River.
What's interesting is that Walter White from BB dies in peace and in the end, acknowledges he did all of it for himself. Kira was unable to recognise that for himself and died in misery. Kinda interesting.
Funny, I just finished watching BB myself. Perhaps a Walter White breakdown is in order later on
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Yeah,ı am glad they removed that line in the anime. Since its makes Near a hypocrite,because himself is aware that removing Light will eventually start a domino affect that cost extreme chaos at global scale. Season 2 shoudnt exist. Do not look at me
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And that to,ım glad they also removed that. Since it makes things more interesting for Light. Let me explain:
Sure,it makes him look smarter. But cmon. İt removes the very important question of "Will you sacrifice your afterlife for your dream?". Since at that moment,Light did not killed anyone innocent yet. And still can rid of his ownership of the book. He still can walk away. And he choose not to. This shows how far Light willing to go to even before he goes full physco mod.
Power only corrupts immoral people
Can you do one on the anti spiral from gurren lagan
I would love it if you made a video on code geass and monster. The way you speak of the characters and their motivations feels like you understand them instead of stopping at the superficial and common outlook. I particularly liked your video on Bondrewd
Thank you! Been a bit busy lately but there's more to come soon
I feel like it's really interesting to compare Light Yagami with Emiya Kiritsugu from Fate/Zero, because they're so similar, yet such opposites.
They're nearly Identical at surface level, they are both relentless killers who target bad people, and will even kill civilians if they think it's necessary, all in favor of 'justice' and their ultimate goal of an ideal world.
However, Kiritsugu's methods are for more extreme, while light will sometimes target civilians, he'll rarely kill someone who doesn't oppose him, while Kiritsugu will sacrifice as many innocents as necessary for 'the greater good'.
But I feel like their biggest difference, is that Kiritsugu is what Light 'pretends' to be. While Light's ideals are just a mask to hide his real reasons, which are his ego and God complex, Kiritsugu genuinely believes in his ideals, everything he does, is for the sake of a better world.
While Light places his ego above his 'perfect world', Kiritsugu sacrifices himself for the sake of his ideals.
(Sorry, I know it must look stupid, the guy with the Fate pfp writing an essay about a Fate character in a death note video. But I just think it's interesting to compare characters who are so similar at their surface, yet so different at their core, and I think Kiritsugu would also be a good candidate for a 'did nothing wrong' video.)
another masterpiece
Thank you!!
Tbh ngl i see Light as another dictator and i hate any dictators. But problem that in our life people will call you egoist even if you truly want to help them and make their lives better so like you just think what you all want from me? So as 22 yo guy i wanna somehow act good but I don't care much how others will see me as good or bad cause i think its will lead me to nothingness its not will lead me to successfull changings of other lives of humans and our world
Light didn’t do anything wrong
I honestly think that if you write down the names of everyone that is mean spirited or cruel on the death note then you might as well wipe out the entire human species
I think lord diago from dororo would be a good fit for this series.
If you have not seen Shinsekai Yori, STOP READING THIS and watch this great series. Please do a Squaler from Shinsekai Yori did nothing wrong video. He is one of my favorite antagonists in anime. Once a lowly messenger became a general and leader of his people,. He attempted a rebellion to try to save its species from humans, he also unified independent colonies and institutionalized democracy, all these while implementing merciless methods to achieve his goals.
EREN YEAGER DID NOTHING WRONG NEXT!
Please do Lelouch Did nothing wrong
He won't have to work hard on that episode considering the number of shit stains in that series.
@@vladimirzakrevski3157 What your issue with Lelouch?
I think that can be arranged!
@@charlestonho6733 think you misunderstood that. The cart of antagonists is so morally twisted, making the video should be easy.
I love the video make more videos like this like do a video on char aznable from Gundam are the main character from code Geass
I’m just going to ask, did you see the musical? It feels like it’s closer to the manga you describe (haven’t read it yet, my to-read-manga-list is enormous, I’ll get to it one day. Hopefully.)
He did do wrong things. That's a fact. Did he also do good? Yes. That's what you get with anyone. Everyone does good things and bad things. The question is did you get more good than bad. With Light, yes, the 70% reduction in crimes and stopping of wars does so much good that it outweighs everything bad he did.
Yes, he is evil. The results of his actions are not.
@pantsmonsterv6 abortion - kills people so that fewer people get better lives.
Light - kills people so that more people get better lives.
Failed again, try again later.
In my opinion light was neither a hero or a villain he was more Anti Hero and the reason why say that is because he had a great idea of making a world a better place by killing criminals but he also used people and Even thought about killing his sister and I can go on but we will be here all day
I had never thought Doomer Den would tell me to watch Netflix Deathnote... /:
Maaaaybe the better use of your time is to just watch the clip on TH-cam and not waste your time on the full movie lol
He did some dodgy things but stats don’t lie, crime did go down 80%, wars did stop, more innocent productive people were saved than evil and useless people were killed, it’s not a matter of did nothing wrong it’s a matter of the positives outweigh the negatives
Gun
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Well I can't believe I'm saying this ,but light is like Hitler, yes ,he could have been an artist that ppl will admire his work over time ,but he instead forced an ideology on himself by himself, began to have a superiority complex ,and create a world where he ruled over everyone he conquer.
Himemiya Anthy did nothing wrong.
Where did the hierarchy page come from?
Now I'm regretting not reading the manga😔
No, one person in the sequel does not use it that way, and even one of the follow up kiras does, dont they euthanize r?! That, is relective of ones value and those kira actually had decent ones. Yes its stil murder but euthanizing isnt bad. And it shown that people act ate their own values and lights,
he might just have become a policeman or politician abusing his power , but he would go there eventually wih his mindset. Its not the one ring, its just a tool.
Power dont corupt, it reveals.
Agreed power reveals
why doesn't he just print out the names instead of writing it? or is it exclusively supposed to be written
Am reminded of how much the Netflix movie butchered the material
Great video. But the real question which you did not answer nor attempt to answer is whether using the death note on criminals is wrong. Light absolutely got lost in the sauce, but he still lowered crime rates by 70% and ended war. So did he really do anything wrong? Law abiding citizens had nothing to fear
Furthermore, you mentioned that people who opposed Kira were at the bottom of the totem pole. But Light didn’t really care whether or not people disagreed with his ideology. Every single innocent person Light killed or even considered killing was a loose end. In fact, if he had not killed Lind L. Taylor, he probably wouldn’t have killed a single innocent
Do L Lawliet did nothing wrong. :P
I'm honestly seeing this tendency of cheering for absolutely questionable character once again in AoT, with Floch and the yeagerists in general
I disagree that power brings corruption.
Power just brings out things that were hidden and sealed.
These bad sides and characteristics were hidden and sealed is because it is disadvantage to indulge in it, they were of lower priority.
But with absolute power those things no longer need to be hidden or sealed and when they surfaced they were seen as corruption.
Though I cannot truly deny that power brings corruption.
As with power you are faced with more temptations, your perspective of things become more broad and you get to know more things.
Perhaps it is more appropriate to say that absolute knowledge corrupts absolutely.
Thirteenth
Guess who.
In short terms, Light Yagami is an analog to the christian religion
As a Non-Christian death note fan myself, your comment is miss the mark really bad. Those religous symbolizms are just there,due to do art direction.
I do beleive the main theme is like "Would you sacrifice your freedom for a safer world?".
Light is stands there as the yes. He ended %70 of global crimes. And this is why its makes him so hard to argue. He gives the results.
L and Others are stands there for "no". Since Kira start to act to out of control. Killed many innocent people And actually planned to kill lazy people.
the thing is light is a great main character, he's just a really bad person.