Disney is SHUTTING DOWN PIXELBORN (Will Lorcana Survive?!)
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I enjoyed playing on PIxelborn, so I'm sad about the news. Having said that, I understand Disney's stance and I wonder if it was because cash tournaments were being held and they wanted to make their own online client game. It seems the Lorcana tournaments did not want cash as prizes so they gave out cards, playmats, etc. Of course, those can be flipped for money but it's not totally black and white. Pixelborn did offer players opportunities to play the game especially when the supply of cards was low so it definitely helped grow the game
Absolutely it was. When it was just testing and playing matches - fine. When you and others start profiting off of an IP that you don’t own - you’re gonna get shut down.
yeah Pavel went out of his way to be like costs + charity, but I think the cash tournaments were too much
@@ashleyjt771this. There was no problem until the huge cash events, some were scheduled DURING the set championships like reres. That was directly competing with Disney's cash flow.
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Most locals that start at 7/8 pm usually end close to midnight I have to be up for work at 4:30 like that’s past my bed time :(
I agree the main reason I am upset about pixel being taken down is im a parent to two kids and a husband. I love this game but I play it for the competitive nature. Without pixel I will definitely become a worse player. Pixel helped me so much because I have to drive at minimum an hour to play a locals. So this going away definitely takes away my ability to practice as much. And most people the more they practice the better they get. This is coming from someone that owns a playset of every card.
I’m glad you’re not just sucking up and actually giving your real opinion. So many other YTers completely caved
Looks like they are trying to promote playing in person. Plenty of well known tcg are like this. Also keeps decks more diverse as it takes longer to "solve" the meta
Not really. The big three tcgs have all an online Game…
as much as I am sad by this news, I want to point out that the Digimon card game has had a client before it got shutdown by Bandai due to similar reasons, and it was when the reboot was growing and had problems at the start, but afterwards, it got stabilized and is successful and still is to this day. Right now, there's a new client that hasn't been taken down yet, but so far, it's relatively well received, but before it appeared, Digimon card game has been growing and has been fine for a while and the IP isn't as big as Disney.
Will the same happen to Lorcana? Probably, but we have seen before just because your brand is by a big known IP or company doesn't always mean it will last forever, but we will see.
Digimon, Pokemon, magic, one piece, flesh and blood. Everybody keeps pointing to ccgs that exist like they're in a comparable situation to lorcana. You know that they don't have that lorcana does? An extremely expensive IP license they have to continue to pay for. They can't just get by on a niche community and some Disney adults buying enchanteds. They need the game to be fairly popular in order to survive. If you don't think that's true go count up the amount of dead star wars tcgs over the last 20 years.
The client being shut down is bad news for sure. But I never played it allot. I have a job, wife and Son. I still drive 30-40 min and manage to play 2-3 times a week. If you want to play you need to make time.
so what about off shift workers? how should we play to drive at our lgs when theyre closed?
Everything you said is also true about me (except I have nothing and no one) but watching streamers/TH-camrs play pixelborn is what kept me engaged with the game the rest of the week. Now if I'm busy on a weekend or two I could go weeks without engaging with the game at all. That's not a positive shift for the game any way you slice it.
@@derekfitzgerald5408 I’m a shift worker and I still get a good amount of games in. Just gotta make the time. We were lucky to have pixelborn for as long as we had but the game was made to be played irl. You can’t knock Disney/ravensburger for protecting their property.
@@ktoff i work 2pm-2am. please let me know when i can make the time.
@@derekfitzgerald5408 how many days do you work a week? Maybe find a play group? Make friends? I work 7p-8am. Sleeping most of the day so I know exactly what kind of schedule you have.
Yes, it will survive!
Buying enchanted Elsa $100 and enchanted Belle $50 lmk games going to die so may as well get something now 😂. TBH it sucks and I think the money tournaments is what forced this to happen. I hope there is a replacement in the works. However this won’t change a ton I’ll still play at LGS and collect. If it results in some of the cards getting more affordable I’d be ok with that as I aim for 2 full play sets as I play with my 9 year old son.
Always love the content this channel puts out. Thank you for this and thank you Pavel for creating such a pillar of the Lorcana community.
Game will be supported by Disney collectors for a time, but the game will fade drastically over the next few months
Sad times. Pixelborn let me test against much better players than my lgs. The decks that work at your lgs aren't necessarily going to do anything at large events. Lots of people figured that out the hard way in ATL.
Disney/Ravensburger should hire this person or crew who created Pixelborn
Pixelborn got me collecting Lorcana. Have a playset of set 1-4 but mostly play on pixelborn than at an LGS. If I need to go to an LGS to do anything, I'm done. Set 4 will be my last.
They just have to Release an own online Game.. easy as that.
They won't.
Im guessing a disney lorcana game app is coming out. Something like Masterduel.
Eventually, sure. I do not believe they were planning on it until Pixelborn took off, and they think that post a 'successful' challenge weekend they can take a dump on the community and not lose a ton of players.
@@6thfaceI truly believe you have to separate Disney from Lorcana. I don’t think the designers of the game had anything to do with this decision but the legal and advertising teams at Disney did. I’m sure Ravensburger was consulted but overall the Big Mouse don’t play with their IP
While this may seem like a logical certainly it's far from a given. RB can't just go "oh people want a digital client? No problem!" When it comes to game licenses it's almost always tied to a medium. So RB having the rights to the Disney IP for a physical card game definitely does NOT mean they have the license to do a digital game currently. That would require time for negotiations and RB to be so interested in doing a digital client that they're willing to go on the hook for a second expensive license. They might but it's not a "just a matter of time" situation. Till they actually come out and say they're working on one I wouldn't just assume that they are
@@KrisPBaconnn😂😂😂 separate Disney from Lorcana....... look Ravensburger has been watching for a minute and knew it has to be shut down. That is obvious from a few interviews. Letting the big bad mouse do it gives deniablity. That is the corporate way.
1 It’s all about money, which is fine. Everything can’t be free. 2 Product isn’t selling. Everyone is practicing and buying individual cards and not packs/boxes. 😅3 Everyone at the L Challenge is playing the same decks. Which makes it boring to watch and not getting people excited for the game.
Pixelborn made lorcana. Not the other way around. I don't have time to go out and play. I'm too far away from the city. I have kids. I bought singles to build my deck thanks to pixelborn.
So you contributed nothing to lorcana proof pixelborn hurt the game.
@@Ratchetfan321do you actually read? He literally says he bought cards to build an irl deck thanks to Pixelborn. Cards that wouldn’t have been bought unless Pixelborn existed.
@@EshEr-cl5obbut he saved money doing. So yea lorcana lost money.
@@Ratchetfan321you must be fun at parties, huh? Defend Disney if you need to. Just note that they think nothing of you, only a Dollar sign.
Pretty upset as well. Pixelborn gave me the opportunity to test and experiment with the newer cards and decks instead of relying on meta decks to win my battles. My local tournaments are always on a weekday when I’m working
I don't think that RB has a digital client anywhere near completion. My guess is that they've barely started it, if at all. But i feel that this decision did not come from RB (from the sound of it) but rather Disney's lawyers who don't understand the game or community and are solely concerned about protecting Disney's IP
Other, less sophisticated clients for Lorcana already exist and I'm sure the players will find a way to play online, but it's a shame that all of the hard work Pavel did to program all of the games rules and interactions will just be thrown away.
Ultimately, this decision ultimately hurts the Lorcana community more than it helps for so many reasons.
This is a sad day, I hope that they come out with something fast. Props to Pavel on all he accomplished and I hope he gets to work with Disney on an official one
If lorcana stop making new cards, would price of cards that exist rise in price or be worthless?
Worthless
@@LorcanaGoons really, i tought its other way around, since no more cards out there, someone would like to have them for cellecting..guees best option is to sell sealed products now
@stefan7848 when 99% of TCGs stop the cards go sealed items go to surplus stores selling whole boxes under 50 or even less. Sealed product only goes up when it literally doesn't exist online in these surplus stores. Then when ypu only see 1-3 eBay listings a year that's when it becomes a game of when someone is nostalgic enough to pay inflated prices. As for cards almost all will be worthless except actual rare stuff like top end tornament prizes who will drop value but retain some at least. But depends on the fan base and time.
For example the .hack TCG has a fanbase willing to spend hundreds on one of the sets that is rare now and even hundreds on the rare cards in it to complete personal collections but this was a lower printed and more niche series from the early 00s I think lorcana has too much printing even with a dedicated fan base that and disney makes so much product people will forget it.
im hoping pixelborn creators are hired by disney and ravensburger to make the online client
Objectively Disney is making a bad move for lorcana
If they are making there own online game that’s fine and cool, but why not go the yughioh route and let 3rd party games exist (it’s helps people test and get new people into lorcana or practice or deepen a love of a game
Why not have a master duel that Disney runs and has a league for and let the third party games exist
I say this as a yughioh player who leans to the competitive side of that game
So glad you will be at Fort Worth too! Would be amazing to meet you!
I've always wanted to learn how to play the game and I just heard about pixelborne today but I guess I will never know how
My friend also feels like quitting.
RIP Pixelborn.. I use it to test decks for myself and the kids. We typically share cards between the three of us and PB was instrumental to our success at locals.
Sad day indeed. 😢 Playing on pixelborn helped me get familiar with the game and figure out how to deal with certain matchups. I will miss it so much 😭
Also, live-streaming is done for a while, isn’t it? 🥺🥺
Probably should make a ton of how tos before it goes down!
Webcam streams are where this is going to lead creators too. Proxy cards and webcams won't give us the huge ayer base to test against, but that i feel is what Ravensburger wants. See if the meta cant shake out so quickly, then people are just going to hunt playsets of more cards to be competitive.
Lol I have not seen a single lorcana creator say they were gonna move to webcam game. I HAVE heard a bunch of them specifically say that webcam play is terrible and definitely not something they're gonna move to.
@@mynameisgrundle8157I have already heard half a dozen suggest just that. Including Kevin here who mentions playing through discord.
Sad day indeed 😢 cool to see myself on the channel tho! 🎉
I was on the Riot - Legends of Runeterra but they went belly up, so I transferred over to Lorcana. For me, without an online client Lorcana is not worth continuing. Who wants to buy my real cards?
Im happy. Hopefully this stops the few sharks from showing up to every single store championship and challenge only to hog all the prizes just to resell them.
This is great news !!!!!
They will test privately and you will get spiked the same. Get better
Yeah I'm baffled by how many people think this is gonna be what happens here. If anything you'll just be less prepared for the set championships now than the sharks cause at least before you could hop online and see what the best decks are. Now, unless you have a group of excellent players to test in person with you're just gonna get rolled by a team of 4 who've been practicing at home and take the top 4 at every set championship in your area.
It’s crazy, I was just about to invest into a PC so that I could play.. Guess not 😮💨
I think I’m going to most likely leave the game after this. I play locals every Sunday, but not worth playing because at locals you can only get like 10 games in.
Pixelborn was a tool I definitely underutilized. I appreciate it for what it is and I’m kinda feeling like I’m at the point where I don’t realize how good something is until it’s gone.
With that being said, I’m going to try and grind games out til the eventual shut down.
It is sad to see Pixelborn close down, but I also see it as a win. The meta won't be solved as fast as it has been doing. It won't get stale, and prices of IRL cards won't be impacted by the Pixelborn meta anymore. Pixelborn born was great for the game, but Lorcana isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
I agree that Lorcana isn't going anywhere, but that's not because of pixelborn's shutdown but in spite of it.
Prices of bad cards will go up, for example the next "jafar" we get that everyone loses their minds over when announced will buy it out to slowly realize it's over hyped etc.
Statements like this are true but how true it is will be relative. If you are someone who wants to play at a high level then the meta decks will be found almost as quickly s they are now. If you play casually then you won't see those meta decks until a major event. That can be ideal if you play casually and love to brew. But I won't be good if you want to do well at a challenge or set championship.
I think the aspect of lorcana these "oh it'll be fine" people are missing is the cost of the Disney license. This isn't magic, who had an original ip. They can't survive with niche tcg appeal. The game might be fine or it might suffer the same slow death all star wars games have. Pretending a tcg is totally fine without any online presence might be wishful thinking.
If everyone is bummed take a stand and don’t show up to Chicago. Take the next two weeks and don’t buy any cards from them. Bet a client comes out quick after that.
welp, Im not buying any more cards until a online client is released again. I work off shift so this whole in person doesn't work.... Pixelborn was my out. This sucks.
no offense, but all these people that can afford to fly across country and take multiple days off their lives to do tournaments and then complain about the price of the cards (that are driven up in price because of Pixelborn nonetheless) is kinda cringe. Also having multiple game stores around you with organized Lorcana play is *such a privilege* even when it isn't the most convenient.
Not surprised Savjz wants to focus on other things after what was presumably a big ego hit at ATL.
I understand that it had a lot of positives like accessibility, content, etc., but I don't think people should have ever felt entitled to play stolen work for free as a long term thing.
:O
I believe Disney will want the game to have its own “master duel/ Arena’ to compete with MTG and Yugioh. To siphon players away from those games since they are stumbling currently.
I live in a country without Lorcana retail. I bought my cards through online retail in the states, so I paid insane amount of money for tariff. I play my deck on Pixelborn in very early morning every day for knowing how cards work, because my job and family allows me only play the game during that time, and because I have no one to play against in my country. Without online Lorcana, I am afraid that will force me to leave the game sooner.
Rip to lorcana, Pixelborn is what gave it such a large presence and onboarded so many people
After processing the news of the PB news, I think it's interesting that it is allowed to run for another 2 weeks. I would think Disney would demand it shut down immediately. It just makes me wonder if they have something official to launch then or at the beginning of July. #savePB #giveusanonlineclient
not being able to play this will diminish this game they will see it viewership of there events will drop by next set
Disney just needs to pay out the creators and take ownership. Keep everyone happy.
That is not the Disney MO. Unfortunately.....
Yeah, absolutely not gonna happen. But agreed that it'd be nice. Honestly I was surprised they were nice enough to lead with a request to have it taken down and didn't immediately move to a cease and desist
My thoughts are Ravensburger/disney are really screwing up. Pavel and rest of pixelborn crew are obviously super respectful and doing good for the community. Unless RB announces its own online client in the next day or two. It’s just going to cause others to create other knock off clients. Why not work with a group doing good until you have your own client ready to go???
I think that’s the big problem. Everyone knew it would eventually get shut down but let it stand until the replacement is ready.
This will probably push me out of the game. Pixelborn was my only chance to play consistently so I could be competitive at the 1-2 in-person tournaments I could make every month.
yeah im quitting too
I don't understand why this is such a big deal. People need to understand that an IP (ANY IP) can easily be copied by ANYONE in the world who is ambitious and determined enough to take something that exists (THAT THEY DID NOT PERSONALLY CREATE THEMSELVES) physically and replicate it digitally for anyone to access for free online.
I mean... you could even just think about things like "free" (user/fan created) manga viewing sites for example, similar concept.
Do you see the problem with this?
Clearly it presents a situation where, if done enough times (like multiple competitors trying to create different versions of a copied IP), it can render official physical products irrelevant to a large number of WOULD-BE customers.
For example, why would I EVER buy a Lorcana card physically if a digital copy of the entire game exists online?
I understand people who are saying that there's easier access to the game by it being in a digital form (and for free), but that digital form isn't officially sanctioned by Disney. I doubt the creator even had direct permission from Disney themselves to even build it.
This would be a completely different story IF it was done with the IP owner's direct permission because THEY own and reserve the rights to dictate how they want the IP to be distributed.
Of course they are well aware that less people would feel the need to buy actual cards if they can just play the copied digital version of the full game, but that should be THEIR (IP owner's) decision to decide, not some random developer who has no official association/affiliation with Disney. Doesn't matter if they are a fan of the game or not.
Bottomline is, people are missing the point.
Disney are within their right to shut it down. Doesn't matter if people like that decision or not. If Disney want to make their own client for the game or contract some other developer to do so, that is THEIR decision, not anyone else's. Anyone else who proactively jumps the gun and tries to do it "for them" (as was the case with Pixelborn) will RISK the same fate.
You can try to defend or make as many excuses for Pixelborn all you want, but the inevitable truth is, delusion will never win against reality.
People need to wake up and understand business and law FIRST, then they should reevaluate their feelings on this situation.
Also, Lorcana is one of the more affordable card games in the current market. Unlike One Piece, most of these cards are very much accessible without you having to go into crippling debt.
People need to stop being babies.
People are (understandably) upset because this now means that a huge portion of the community will no longer have access to the game. People who are disabled, chronically ill, people who don't have time to travel to LGS, people living in countries where Lorcana is not yet being physically distributed etc.
Why should Disney care about those people (aside from like, actually having empathy towards other humans?) These people are still potential or existing customers. Even if someone is physically unable to leave the house to compete in local events or tournaments, that person still might want to buy boosters to have a collection for fun! Or they might want to buy the Ursula game to play with their kid or whatever, or buy official playmats to play with at home. Or if they live somewhere it isn't being distributed yet, they might still travel to go to big Challenge events to participate, and if the game does become available in their country later on well they're already a customer ready and waiting to buy the product.
If you look at games like DnD, they thrive off of the community and how accessible they are. You can literally get a bunch of people into dnd for free, and once those people are interested and invested in the game they then might go and buy figures, books etc. Pixelborn was doing the same for Lorcana allowing people to get into the game in an accessible way and removing that with no alternative at all is really upsetting for many people. It was basically free advertising for Lorcana.
Of course Disney can do what they like with their IP, but leaving fans with no alternative means of playing digitally is a move that leaves a large portion of the community feeling excluded and now unable to join in on the game we all love, and when TCGs are something that live and die by the community around them we need as many people to be interested and love the game as much as we do!
If Disney had asked PB to be taken down but had also announced their official client alongside it, there would still be a lot of people upset but I think it wouldn't have had as much of a negative reaction as it has had.
You sound like a relatively new player. No one is saying that anything is wrong with them wanting to make decisions for their IP and how it is distributed. I think the issue people are having is just that EVEN AS A IP OWNER, this isn’t the right move for them. Pixelborn is the sole reason this game has done as well as it has. Instead of taking it down, offer this young man a deal and work with him. He LITERALLY did all the work for an online client for them. 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
Man you dropped a long wall of text to completely misunderstand entire conversation.
Like NOBODY is arguing that this was even a surprise, let alone that Disney didn't have a right to do this. The point (that you seem to have missed) is that it sucks for the players and is going to hurt the game. The only surprise I hear about this is that the timing didn't include an announcement from RB that they have a replacement in the works.
As someone who is super new to Lorcana, pixelborn was a great way for me to get firsthand experience with the game without feeling like I'm burdening others with teaching me to play.
LGS's exist and are the life blood of TCGs casually or competitively. People acting like their are ZERO options don't want to leave the house or understand proxy testing at LGS's. Probably people who never played TCGs before if you honestly think you have to buy every card to test lol.
Saw people arguing that without pixelborn they wouldn't have bought singles to go compete in tournaments but those users are the exact demo that gave a almost net zero contribution to Lorcana. Playing pixelborn does not support lorcana financially at all. Buying singles does not support lorcana. If anything Pixelborn was a financial loss if you have enough players like this who buy singles for deckbuilding but not packs for testing/brewing.
As for arguing that TCGs all have digital clients is false. Pokemon only in the past few years got a modern Sim. Magic got a modern Sim a bit earlier but still only a few years old. Yugioh literally just got its first true Sim less than 2/3 years ago. Other TCGs like OP, Digimon, Flesh and Blood, Weiss ect have no online client but have been successful for years and blown up.
This video is abit of drama bait and outrage vs looking at the actual facts of TCGs and the fact that this was a ILLEGAL client and was bound to be taken down at any time. Acting shocked is hilarious.
Not everyone has the means or live in areas where locals are nonexistent or not as popular. There’s many factors that come in. Not a single one of those clients you mentioned ever offered the entire card collection for free either. There’s many variables to this. This video isn’t baiting anyone.
Dude, I have been playing tcgs on and off since magic 3rd edition. LGS proxy testing is not very accessible for most players. This will definitely make sponsored teams much better than amateurs like myself.
@KeyOfGeorge Offering the cards for free is literally losing money even if Lorcana makes a client it will cost money in some form or time via grinding free packs. No client exists for free because it makes no sense as it just costs the company money for a zero to miniscule net gain.
This is a game that exists to make money and exists because it makes money. Once it stops or slows down if people choose "free" options vs buying packs then you will no longer have Lorcana in ANY form.
This is such a bait comment.
Buying singles drives the price of cards up, which in turn increases the expected value of sealed product, driving more sales of seal product.
The only reason I play Lorcana and spent a lot of hard earned money on the first four sets is because of Pixelborn. There's no LGS close enough for me to go regurlaly... If there's no online client to play, I don't know if I'll be able to stay involved... The game is great, but I need to be able to play it at home when I have the time, otherwise. People have life, streamers gave amazing content to the community. What now ?