Wanted to ask a question. Say you buy a new reel and turn it fast just to test it's smoothness. It is smooth but makes a soft winding sound only when you turn it fast.... Is that normal?
Fair assessment....and still get it, I am a Daiwa fan boy😂. I think they should definitely make servicing these reels more accessible to the home service man. Tools, mag lube and mag bearings. Magseal has been on the market long enough. Shot you an email as well
I'm nowhere near saltwater, never had to worry about any of the things you talk about in your tear downs, reviews, and what not but I do love your explanations, the detail and depth, and overall fairness. It always enthralls me to the point where I will sit and watch almost 2hrs straight about reels that I have no need for or any intention of ever needing or buying. Great work as always!
One of the best videos you've ever made. I thought it was fair. This is why I watch your videos. They teach me so much about reels. You definitely make the days I'm not able to fish on less boring. I actually bought a Bantam MGL thanks to you (found a brand new one for $199 in a tackle shop). Lovely reel for redfin perch crankbait and bladebait fishing I do.
I'll never own a spinning reel above a 3000 series, as a bass fisherman, but you're videos give so much information, I can't get enough. Just wish the frequency was more often.
I am impressed! :) not by this BG MQ but by the video. Watched it completely. Timestamps can be really useful looking back one day. Really good comparison to similar reels. Great video and many thanks for your time and effort you put in to this! 👍👍
watching this elaborated review of the comparasion and the tear down made me decide so much better. Thank you so much for your time putting this out. I was in such dilemma and eager buying one just to get the experience of Monocoque feeling before I get the New Saltiga 2020. I guessed I will stick to my Daiwa BG 2016 and Penn Slammer 3 for now and save up for the new Saltiga.
This was wonderful. Very thorough and complete. I wish there were more reviews like this. Shimano in particular uses marketing jargon and then explains it with more jargon. It's hard to know what is in the reel. I own a Spinnfisher V and a BG. You are spot on when talking about the feel of these two reels. I surf fish in Florida and stay out of the water. I learned a lot about how to clean the reels when I come home. I wasn't aware of the issue with roller bearing or bushing so I will open them and see how they are doing. There were lots of parts on the table I just wonder if you had any leftover?
I hooked a 4kg fish with a brand new $70.00 real which i purchased from my local tackle shop. The main gear failed and i lost the fish a couple of feet from the shore. That is why i watch your reviews cost i need to know i am not wasting my money when purchasing a new real. i have two Daiwa ballistics very happy with them. i can even service them myself cos of these vids. Thanks very much for this review keep them coming.
Just buy a Fin Nor Offshore and you know you have something, body all alu with all gear stainless steel, the 6,4 mm axle supported in 3 points, front middle and rear for real effort, no compromise as alu, coated alu or zinc, even the handle, there's no schiki miki reverse switch and no one way ball bearings but the solid clutch anti reverse. It is heavy but strong, built to hold any fish and to last forever, you can't have both, whether strenght and endurance or lightness, the lighter it is, the less substance/atoms in it... I just brought a Fin Nor Offshore 10500, when you hold it in your hand and hear its clicking while turning the spool you know that's the thing a man wants. An endurance test would be interesting, alu gear, coated even, vs brass and stainless steel gears, so those Daiwa and Shimano vs Fin Nor and other stainless steel and brass gear reels.
Use the drag and rod to pull line in then then pick up line as you slack the line. Any gear will fail if improperly used. Don't grind through it, especially with spinning reels.
Finally dude!!!!!!!! I literally was waiting on this video!!!!! You got me locked in all day waiting my notifications! I was pissed it wasn't out yesterday. Sorry it's that drama I enjoy..😆😆😆🤑🤑🤑 you got ballz brotha...thanks for your opinions! This video is going to make you famous! Guarantee your subs are going to spike after this!
I spent 14 hrs on the editing rig just for it to spit out corrupted files....today.....did nothing differnt....took half the time for each render....and both were not corrupt....no clue wtf was up...and that happens with any vid over 30 mins...for no damn reason....frustrating is not the word...
Also worth noting I had to unplug all pricey electronics after my high end surge protector burned out... That hurricane brought down lotsa trees on wires and surges were occurring very often.
@@TackleAdvisors hey man! Totally understand the process on editing videos...im sure its tons of work to provide this great content! That crap happens...but from what you shown in this...so far I'm impressed on the style of this reel. I agree the spin off housing with that o-ring is a great way to block debris to travel that shaft which i give kudos for that design...that's where I feel the majority of sand and water actually get in...and that boot gasket needs to be more accurate when re screwing it...it's way off...for sure it'll break when reinstalling it...but in those comparisons...the Daiwa is a solid reel...i really like the design...and to tell you in reality for my style of fishing dealing with saltwater...it comes down to the upper shaft sealing where the rotor spinning bring in debris from the beaches or rain if it's a sandy area is what makes and breaks the reel of longevity...water protrusion is what really causes the majority of reel failures. But money wise...i wouldn't pay for neither spinfisher nor this reel...Shimano FL to me still for the best bang of the buck especially that x-protect...and you know...there's no reason you have to go there. With my 4000 FL caught a 42" Tarpon with zero flex, flying out of the water like 5 times fishing from a bridge...no problem at all. So I don't know...even the spinfisher doesn't convince me to get it. And man that reel is sooooo butter smooth! Why do you think it's sold out everywhere!? Which to me Daiwa should pay attention to the Shimano Stradic FL.
As always, the most informative review... now if only we could get a "Gone With the Wind" style intermission in the middle. Seriously, thank you for sharing your savvy.
Bent shafts were an issue I've seen enough of to be curious...It looked like by memory it was slightly thicker in the mq....I posted an ask on stripersonline....and a member (hk jonathan) cracked his and took measurements. A few years ago the same guy sent me his slammer 3 to tear down and use for a bit
@@TackleAdvisors I plan on getting a new cat-fish jigging/ shore jigging reel, and so far 6000 bg mq seems to fit the bill, i would love to see some tests from people on the water though, but looks a lot beefier then the regular bg i use in the 3000 size. What do you think, would it handle heavy 60g jigs + silicone in strong rivers?
Jeez......that's a bit much.....lol...Thanks man! Looking at the older videos....They were much better....but took so much longer...If you get a chance watch the slammer and saragosa saltist vids....those took a few hundred hrs apiece.....
@@TackleAdvisors Have already. I have several TH-cam ID's and have been a sub for a while. Not sure which ID is the sub ID though. Different ID for phone, ipad, PC. You deliver the best reel review. Never have I seen better passion and love. Keep it up mate.
Good point about the line roller bearing BTW. . Bushings are proven in the line roller. The Stradic is well known for their line rolling bearing wearing out very quickly. Mine were done after 4 trips.
Great video and great info. Thanks for all the work you put into it. Your assessment was very fair. I do not see how Daiwa can justify the price they want for this reel.
Very interesting video. Personally, since I fish exclusively in fresh water, I’m pretty confident that either the Fuego LT or Ballistic LT are just about perfect for me. Plenty of water resistance, good smooth drags, very light, more than enough strength and stiffness for anything I catch around here. Interesting video on the new BG MQ for sure, but not quite the reel for me, I think.
Great review in terms of sealing and smoothness of operation. Would like to see the difference in max drag between the BG and similar sized BG MQ. I get about 8 lbs at full spool with the BG tested on a calibrated brass scale and got owned by a jack crevalle this weekend. The reel was fine though after having half the line run out by multiple jacks and a couple 10 lb bonita. I had to thumb the spool to stop from being spooled a few times and broke the jacks off on purpose. What I like about the Diawa reels is they bottom out against metal and keep you from over flexing the spool against the drag. I'm either going to go up to the 4500 BG or maybe "upgrade" to the MQ if it puts out more drag. I can't see spending more for a Saragossa in that size reel and will reserve that for the 10000 size.
Yeah! you were absolutely fair in your assessment 'and so its with all that being said' im more interested in the new Saragosa. Probably get the MQ when you undoubtedly post a screaming amazon deal on it, thanks as always
Awesome Scoob, was wondering what cleaning do you do to a reel that gets dunked in the salt? For the first time I took my reel apart using your BG breakdown video but was unsure of how to clean the parts if it’s dunked in saltwater (mineral spirits, corrosion X spray or clean water?) Also what reel grease do you recommend for salt and freshwater (if different) reels? Thanks as always for a great video.
Been running this reel for a year and had it torn down. Seal at handle is perfectly fine. Btw. All salt water kayak and beach surf fishing. 2500 is absolutely a perfectly weighted and powerful gem. Maybe a little high in price but Shimano has jacked their prices up big time. This new BG MQ is a Ms nice or I would say nicer than my Stradic FL. My new go to inshore saltwater reel. Like my Ballistic for inshore as well.
The clear plastic washer on top of the drag stack is a cheap arsed heat shield like the white one on the Saltigas. Meant to prevent heat generated in the drag stack damaging the base of the drag knob which used to happen on the Z series Saltigas on big hard running fish.
@@mickdayday1152 Thanks man!!!! that was my fear...I called the daiwa rep on that. (no reply)...i was worried it was just a high temp plastic to act as a buffer instead of a heat sink...IF you saw the past video section about the saragossa sw I mentioned and showed a picture of a friends saltiga with a melted drag washer...and the saragosa sw has a metal pluger
Thanks for the breakdown! I've used a BG MQ 4000 fluke/tog fishing exclusively for a few seasons. It works perfectly for shore based bottom fishing but I never thought I'd be able to surf fish with it and glad I watched your video. I'm looking at a new 6500 for surf fishing and I'll consider your recommendations.
I don't think I can ever go back to the Penn's. I have had several battle models and they all corrode horribly on the body, and just this weekend, one of my 4000's stopped oscillating. Opened her up and the gear was disintegrated, no teeth. No signs of water, and was greased well. Just seems it crumbled whatever that material is made of. I have done several repairs to most of them. So far, no issues with the Spinfisher V's. Just watched the reviews of the BG BQ's and was nearing purchase until I saw the materials inside made of zinc, etc. Decision now to go ahead and pay the extra for the Shimano Stradic FL and eventually replace my bigger spinning reels with the Saragosa's. My son in law has these and they are so smooth in comparsion, it makes my Penn's feel like $10 POS. He has had several seasons fishing exactly same as me from our boat in Saltwater and has had zero issues, no corrosion and no servicing and they are flawless!
wanted a gossa, but settled for BG MQ when the supply dried up. fished it this spring, mostly plugging. Happy overall. One complaint is I had a bail close on a cast. Been more conscious of opening and position and hasn't been an issue.
have you ever experience bad gear meshing? ive hardly used mine and intermittently during use, the gears start to feel bad and as soon as that happens i stop using it. When i get home it feels buttery smooth again.
I think you did a fair review of the reel. It's just not that special in any way. Daiwa has to know you call em as you see em. They should have just sent you the new Saltiga if they were looking for a better review. This reel just has above average gearing because of its size. I'd Much rather get the new, or old Gosa/Spheros. Great review as always Scoob 🎣👑👏
I'm glad you think so....Thanks man! Been hearing about a local capt. who has multiple trashed saltigas and diawa won't help them....Trying to find out the first hand info and if they can send me the trashed reels.
Great information as always. Here’s my $0.02. Most freshwater fishermen don’t do a lot of maintenance, and for the most part, don’t have to and for a number of reasons this reel probably isn’t on their radar. Most saltwater fishermen buying this price point of reel want and possibly need to do some level of maintenance. One time use seals, specialty tooling, a million parts, etc. kill that for a lot of people. As you mentioned, the spinfisher and slammer iii are easy to maintain and get parts for. Daiwa may sell a ton of these, but at some point, people are going to get frustrated with the maintenance and repairs, especially at this price point.
I went into this thinking that this sealing was a response to people not being able to access daiwa magseal......and now it's the same damn thing..now you have to find a tool....40$ - 80$ is the price to expect...and often unavailble on ebay So it's pretty clear daiwa wants to grow their service end of the business....In my recent experiences with their service they're 0-4...and yeah..not everyone services their own gear....but a surprising amount would like to....and a 6pack goes a long way extending the good years of a reels life :)
the plastic washer I think is to keep the surface of the drag from wearing down an then allowing corrosion so the plastic washer kinda protects the metal I'm assuming tbh but think that makes the most sense but maybe its something else but my other reel doesn't have that an has small scratches on that top part of drag
I’m deciding between the Stradic FL, saltist back bay, or this reel. Looking at 4000 size to pull big reds from structure. Which would you suggest? I have a 2500 FL and love it but I’m leaning towards the Back Bay
Another great video! I’ll take the Penn ssvi in A 5500 or 6500 on a. Boat getting sprayed with salt water an the way out or home . Thanks ! For the dissection =Great information.
I don't see any issue. Been using all Japanese brands . Reels got sprayed by rough seas while boating. It worked fine. Just have a small WD40 on standby. But never use. Reels worked fine. Got BG 5000 for 45 years with very little maintenance. Bought a newer BG with double stopped. Only fished 5-10 kg fish on it. Just washed it after use. It will last for years Once I forgot to remove a fishing set on a boat for three days, the reel jammed. The boat is parking in the sea. Not moving. Dismantle the reel with lots of WD40, Presto ! It worked fine as before !
Could you do a saltist mq review like this, I just got a 6000 and I love it, but I would also like to get to know the insides a little bit better without having to learn real maintenance on the way
Just buy a Fin Nor Offshore and you know you have something, body all alu with all gear stainless steel, the 6,4 mm axle supported in 3 points, front middle and rear for real effort, no compromise as alu, coated alu or zinc, even the handle, there's no schiki miki reverse switch and no one way ball bearings but the solid clutch anti reverse. It is heavy but strong, built to hold any fish and to last forever, you can't have both, whether strenght and endurance or lightness, the lighter it is, the less substance/atoms in it... I just brought a Fin Nor Offshore 10500, when you hold it in your hand and you hear its clicking while turning the spool you know that's the thing a man wants. An endurance test would be interesting, alu gear, coated even, vs brass and stainless steel gears, so those Daiwa and Shimano vs Fin Nor and other stainless steel and brass gear reels.
If you look at the rash guard lower internally you can see a raised lip thatI think is meant to hook the ring gasket and pull it down into place .But in order for it to work correctly you would have to re install the rash guard lower end first not upper end as you have done. correct me if Im wrong.
I took note of that... But that's a tough ask.. As it's blind and there's know way to tell if it's done correctly unless you remove everything and look from the inside out... Then take it apart again and then redo the booth hoping to replicate.. Know what I mean?
joe olivas had the bg fail on him multiple times because of that gear. granted he does fish nearly every day and puts lots of stress on his gear. nonetheless the gears were a common failure point for him. the spheros lasted him 10 times longer before any issue arose.
I replaced the line roller bushings with crbb in all of my BGs. I put a drop of Liquid Bearings on there every time I finish with fishing and I've never had a problem with them. I don't really care for the bushings
Thank you for the review. I was thinking about picking between this and BG. This helped a lot. By the way. Can you please tell me or post the bearing that you replace in your BG s. I know that is not water proof in the BG but would to water proof the BG with I get it as much as I can . I understand Depending on the size of the reel may make a difference on the ball bearings. Also what do you recommend for oil and grease thank you.
I’m in the market of a surf reel, and I was looking at the Daiwa BG MQ when Daiwa announced its launch, but now I’m torn between the og BG, the Spheros, and the Saltist Backbay. Lots of great info and I really enjoyed listening to your teardown! Keep up the great content!
@@charliehandley1057 way late but I have the bg and back bay and I love the back bay, but the bg gets the job done fine, I just really love how smooth my mag sealed back bay still is where my bg is slower due to loading it with grease for protection
Can you just open the side plate and access the inner reel rather than starting from top down taking out the main shaft and pinion gears. Let's see if I just want to lube up the interior can I just take off the side plate
Is there any information,, for the Spool Knob... 🙏 I lost mine , and still searching for replacement.. but no luck so far... Or is there any BG type with the same Drag knob with BG MQ 🤔
It is too late for me to return this and get a Saltist or a Gosa? WIth that being said......I have this brand new BG MQ 10K, which I bought a year ago hoping to catch some YFT on a party boat. That planned trip was cancelled many times and I am hoping to go the second week of February in 2022. Should I open the rear boot and handle and heavily grease to add water intrusion protection?
Not quite in the class of these reels, but you need to bring in the fin nor lethal, for those $99 guys. I bet it will make it into your comparisons with some more expensive reels in the future. Re this video, lets hope Shimano don't try to monetise the Gosa brand in the same way Diawa just did with this new BG.
Are you going to have a full break down of that VR50 you were using. I have one and have been using it for two years. Aside from line lay issues (returned and fixed). It has been a great little reel. Was super tight at first but it’s gotten noticeably smother with use.
I want to see manual bail on all reels, for real. I don't remember how many times it failed. I want to mention, Abu Garcia bail ( rocket model ) it is way better than shimano and daiwa in terms of bail locking system. When you open the bail, it is locked. you feel it :)
That little song you were singing.... did Daiwa come and snatch you up??! I haven't seen any recent reel breakdown videos and your stuff was golden, creme de la creme bro. Nobody has replaced you since your departure ;(
Just picked up the BG MQ 8000 today, on the recommendation of the young guy working at West Marine. He fishes all the time and said he has two of the smaller versions; the 3000 and the 6000 and loves them for snook fishing. I guess I'll see how it goes in time but I appreciate the honest review.
Without that tool, that I have no way of buying, I won't be buying one of these. And I'm looking to purchase a 6000 size next. The Battle iii 6000 has a brass main gear for $135. The decision is made
@@hothmobile100 not really even a issue with me. I use the penn fierce 3 live liner and it's never gave me bad line lay to where it's a problem. I fish the surf on windy days also.
@@hothmobile100 I think that was only a problem with the battle 2's. And then I don't think it's all sizes. I have two 8000s and I don't have a problem with them. My 4000 is a different story. I can't even consider using braided line on it. It's just pathetic. Hopefully the 3's will be better
DAIWA BG MQ = Big Game Monocoque = BigˌKäk for short ( Monocoque = mänəˌkäk ) Head to your nearest fishing tackle retailer and ask to see the BIG käk TODAY!
@@seapancakee Monocoque nice and pretty, offers some advantages, simplicity and a bigger gear, although if l think a bit deeper not necessarily a bigger gear, what holds a multiple screwed body from holding same dimension main gear? Straight this simplicity, a single threaded piece is dangerous, think about what happens if it breaks, yeah, fishing ends with it and you may throw it or best case scenario search for spare parts as the body and/or the handle threaded support. So this thread holds the whole torque and side forces which appear, that's just a thought, perhaps there won't ever be any issues with that.
Thanks for the review...at least now we folks in India know that we'll never buy this reel since there isnt a Daiwa service center in sight in this country!!! And if each manufacturer has to come out with a reel specific tool to even open it God help us all!!!
What would you buy....new Saragosa SWA, Penn Slammer III or Daiwa BG MQ? All in similar size to a Daiwa BG 8000 to use 65 braid for big tuna, slammer Mahi or even large King Mackerel to use 2-3 days a week.
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Was I fair in my analysis and assessment? Let me know here!
I think it was a fair review. When Daiwa sent you the reels, they probably meant "Just be fair. *wink*"
I'm with HN, did they mean be fair as in be honest or fair as in say it's a good reel
Wanted to ask a question. Say you buy a new reel and turn it fast just to test it's smoothness. It is smooth but makes a soft winding sound only when you turn it fast.... Is that normal?
Totally fair! I think that reel is solid 👌 but sorry Daiwa I'm not sold with it and neither does the spinfisher...I'd rather buy the Stradic FL.
Fair assessment....and still get it, I am a Daiwa fan boy😂.
I think they should definitely make servicing these reels more accessible to the home service man. Tools, mag lube and mag bearings. Magseal has been on the market long enough.
Shot you an email as well
1 Hour 48 Minutes? I wonder what the IMDB rating is for this one.
Neg 3 stars on Rotten Tomatos...LOL
I'm nowhere near saltwater, never had to worry about any of the things you talk about in your tear downs, reviews, and what not but I do love your explanations, the detail and depth, and overall fairness. It always enthralls me to the point where I will sit and watch almost 2hrs straight about reels that I have no need for or any intention of ever needing or buying. Great work as always!
Best analysis of any reel review I have seen on the net. Great job. A++.
One of the best videos you've ever made. I thought it was fair. This is why I watch your videos. They teach me so much about reels. You definitely make the days I'm not able to fish on less boring. I actually bought a Bantam MGL thanks to you (found a brand new one for $199 in a tackle shop). Lovely reel for redfin perch crankbait and bladebait fishing I do.
Hey Scoob,thanks for the shout out about measuring the main gear. Great review as always
Thanks for the review👍all your videos are the best reviews for reels. You try to be as very unbiased as you can and I like that🤘
I'll never own a spinning reel above a 3000 series, as a bass fisherman, but you're videos give so much information, I can't get enough. Just wish the frequency was more often.
I am impressed! :) not by this BG MQ but by the video. Watched it completely. Timestamps can be really useful looking back one day. Really good comparison to similar reels. Great video and many thanks for your time and effort you put in to this! 👍👍
Always look forward to these tear downs. Thank you for your hard work!!! Vanford and battle 3 next please.
Gotta secure one first
Tackle Advisors can’t wait till you do a vanford one
I’ve never seen this much detail on a tear down video .... subscribed 👍👍👍
watching this elaborated review of the comparasion and the tear down made me decide so much better. Thank you so much for your time putting this out. I was in such dilemma and eager buying one just to get the experience of Monocoque feeling before I get the New Saltiga 2020. I guessed I will stick to my Daiwa BG 2016 and Penn Slammer 3 for now and save up for the new Saltiga.
Aww yesss, you made my day close to 2 hrs more interesting. Thanks a ton fellow Jersey angler!
love this channel. It's the AVE of fishing gear. The ASMR for the late night gear tinkerers of us. The throwaway gen will never be as good as us!
This was wonderful. Very thorough and complete. I wish there were more reviews like this. Shimano in particular uses marketing jargon and then explains it with more jargon. It's hard to know what is in the reel. I own a Spinnfisher V and a BG. You are spot on when talking about the feel of these two reels. I surf fish in Florida and stay out of the water. I learned a lot about how to clean the reels when I come home. I wasn't aware of the issue with roller bearing or bushing so I will open them and see how they are doing. There were lots of parts on the table I just wonder if you had any leftover?
I hooked a 4kg fish with a brand new $70.00 real which i purchased from my local tackle shop. The main gear failed and i lost the fish a couple of feet from the shore. That is why i watch your reviews cost i need to know i am not wasting my money when purchasing a new real. i have two Daiwa ballistics very happy with them. i can even service them myself cos of these vids. Thanks very much for this review keep them coming.
I love my big ballistic and the 2500 awesome reels! Glad to help brotha!
Just buy a Fin Nor Offshore and you know you have something, body all alu with all gear stainless steel, the 6,4 mm axle supported in 3 points, front middle and rear for real effort, no compromise as alu, coated alu or zinc, even the handle, there's no schiki miki reverse switch and no one way ball bearings but the solid clutch anti reverse. It is heavy but strong, built to hold any fish and to last forever, you can't have both, whether strenght and endurance or lightness, the lighter it is, the less substance/atoms in it...
I just brought a Fin Nor Offshore 10500, when you hold it in your hand and hear its clicking while turning the spool you know that's the thing a man wants.
An endurance test would be interesting, alu gear, coated even, vs brass and stainless steel gears, so those Daiwa and Shimano vs Fin Nor and other stainless steel and brass gear reels.
Use the drag and rod to pull line in then then pick up line as you slack the line. Any gear will fail if improperly used. Don't grind through it, especially with spinning reels.
In my experience even my cheap Daiwa Crossfire LT 3000 didn't have issues with 4kg fish, even though it costs 40€😂
nice tear down and comparisons as usual...thanks TA !!!
I always come here before I buy a reel! Great video like usual!
Thanks brotha!
Finally dude!!!!!!!! I literally was waiting on this video!!!!! You got me locked in all day waiting my notifications! I was pissed it wasn't out yesterday. Sorry it's that drama I enjoy..😆😆😆🤑🤑🤑 you got ballz brotha...thanks for your opinions! This video is going to make you famous! Guarantee your subs are going to spike after this!
I spent 14 hrs on the editing rig just for it to spit out corrupted files....today.....did nothing differnt....took half the time for each render....and both were not corrupt....no clue wtf was up...and that happens with any vid over 30 mins...for no damn reason....frustrating is not the word...
Also worth noting I had to unplug all pricey electronics after my high end surge protector burned out... That hurricane brought down lotsa trees on wires and surges were occurring very often.
@@TackleAdvisors hey man! Totally understand the process on editing videos...im sure its tons of work to provide this great content! That crap happens...but from what you shown in this...so far I'm impressed on the style of this reel. I agree the spin off housing with that o-ring is a great way to block debris to travel that shaft which i give kudos for that design...that's where I feel the majority of sand and water actually get in...and that boot gasket needs to be more accurate when re screwing it...it's way off...for sure it'll break when reinstalling it...but in those comparisons...the Daiwa is a solid reel...i really like the design...and to tell you in reality for my style of fishing dealing with saltwater...it comes down to the upper shaft sealing where the rotor spinning bring in debris from the beaches or rain if it's a sandy area is what makes and breaks the reel of longevity...water protrusion is what really causes the majority of reel failures. But money wise...i wouldn't pay for neither spinfisher nor this reel...Shimano FL to me still for the best bang of the buck especially that x-protect...and you know...there's no reason you have to go there. With my 4000 FL caught a 42" Tarpon with zero flex, flying out of the water like 5 times fishing from a bridge...no problem at all. So I don't know...even the spinfisher doesn't convince me to get it. And man that reel is sooooo butter smooth! Why do you think it's sold out everywhere!? Which to me Daiwa should pay attention to the Shimano Stradic FL.
As always, the most informative review... now if only we could get a "Gone With the Wind" style intermission in the middle. Seriously, thank you for sharing your savvy.
Great review man, I love how u threw in the diameters of the shaft and gear in comparison to the 4k bg!
Bent shafts were an issue I've seen enough of to be curious...It looked like by memory it was slightly thicker in the mq....I posted an ask on stripersonline....and a member (hk jonathan) cracked his and took measurements. A few years ago the same guy sent me his slammer 3 to tear down and use for a bit
@@TackleAdvisors I plan on getting a new cat-fish jigging/ shore jigging reel, and so far 6000 bg mq seems to fit the bill, i would love to see some tests from people on the water though, but looks a lot beefier then the regular bg i use in the 3000 size. What do you think, would it handle heavy 60g jigs + silicone in strong rivers?
Most perfectly delivered review of reels on the face of the earth.
Jeez......that's a bit much.....lol...Thanks man! Looking at the older videos....They were much better....but took so much longer...If you get a chance watch the slammer and saragosa saltist vids....those took a few hundred hrs apiece.....
@@TackleAdvisors Have already. I have several TH-cam ID's and have been a sub for a while. Not sure which ID is the sub ID though. Different ID for phone, ipad, PC. You deliver the best reel review. Never have I seen better passion and love. Keep it up mate.
Good point about the line roller bearing BTW. . Bushings are proven in the line roller. The Stradic is well known for their line rolling bearing wearing out very quickly. Mine were done after 4 trips.
Thank you for honesty and I look forward to Shimano Stradic SW 2020 review
Great video and great info. Thanks for all the work you put into it. Your assessment was very fair. I do not see how Daiwa can justify the price they want for this reel.
Very interesting video. Personally, since I fish exclusively in fresh water, I’m pretty confident that either the Fuego LT or Ballistic LT are just about perfect for me. Plenty of water resistance, good smooth drags, very light, more than enough strength and stiffness for anything I catch around here.
Interesting video on the new BG MQ for sure, but not quite the reel for me, I think.
Great review in terms of sealing and smoothness of operation. Would like to see the difference in max drag between the BG and similar sized BG MQ. I get about 8 lbs at full spool with the BG tested on a calibrated brass scale and got owned by a jack crevalle this weekend. The reel was fine though after having half the line run out by multiple jacks and a couple 10 lb bonita. I had to thumb the spool to stop from being spooled a few times and broke the jacks off on purpose. What I like about the Diawa reels is they bottom out against metal and keep you from over flexing the spool against the drag. I'm either going to go up to the 4500 BG or maybe "upgrade" to the MQ if it puts out more drag. I can't see spending more for a Saragossa in that size reel and will reserve that for the 10000 size.
Yeah! you were absolutely fair in your assessment 'and so its with all that being said' im more interested in the new Saragosa. Probably get the MQ when you undoubtedly post a screaming amazon deal on it, thanks as always
Waiting for your battle 3 video lol, I did enjoy this one.
Awesome Scoob, was wondering what cleaning do you do to a reel that gets dunked in the salt? For the first time I took my reel apart using your BG breakdown video but was unsure of how to clean the parts if it’s dunked in saltwater (mineral spirits, corrosion X spray or clean water?) Also what reel grease do you recommend for salt and freshwater (if different) reels? Thanks as always for a great video.
Been running this reel for a year and had it torn down. Seal at handle is perfectly fine. Btw. All salt water kayak and beach surf fishing. 2500 is absolutely a perfectly weighted and powerful gem. Maybe a little high in price but Shimano has jacked their prices up big time. This new BG MQ is a Ms nice or I would say nicer than my Stradic FL. My new go to inshore saltwater reel. Like my Ballistic for inshore as well.
Damn I had to take a break after 57 minutes, this video is long but worth it, well done as usual, very informative
Oooihhhh lawdy. Feature length goodness. Thank you!
Thanks for that review I was curious about this reel but I am not convinced its a good investment based on your review.
Was waiting for this one.
I got the Certate LT4000 and passed on this BG MQ. Glad i did the certate is a hell of alot better. I lucked out and got it for $375 instead of $500
The clear plastic washer on top of the drag stack is a cheap arsed heat shield like the white one on the Saltigas. Meant to prevent heat generated in the drag stack damaging the base of the drag knob which used to happen on the Z series Saltigas on big hard running fish.
Great job by the way Scooby, marathon edit bro👍🏽
@@mickdayday1152 Thanks man!!!! that was my fear...I called the daiwa rep on that. (no reply)...i was worried it was just a high temp plastic to act as a buffer instead of a heat sink...IF you saw the past video section about the saragossa sw I mentioned and showed a picture of a friends saltiga with a melted drag washer...and the saragosa sw has a metal pluger
Thank you , another informative video. Just pick up spinfisher vi 5500 for 145. Off Amazon!
Thanks for the breakdown! I've used a BG MQ 4000 fluke/tog fishing exclusively for a few seasons. It works perfectly for shore based bottom fishing but I never thought I'd be able to surf fish with it and glad I watched your video. I'm looking at a new 6500 for surf fishing and I'll consider your recommendations.
Right now the gosa 6000 is the standard to beat. Slammer 4, is very good as well.
Thanks!@@TackleAdvisors
@@TackleAdvisorswhat about lighter setups? For example I need a reel with a capacity of 300yds of 0.20mm braid and I need to be
Good look on the time stamps
I don't think I can ever go back to the Penn's. I have had several battle models and they all corrode horribly on the body, and just this weekend, one of my 4000's stopped oscillating. Opened her up and the gear was disintegrated, no teeth. No signs of water, and was greased well. Just seems it crumbled whatever that material is made of. I have done several repairs to most of them. So far, no issues with the Spinfisher V's. Just watched the reviews of the BG BQ's and was nearing purchase until I saw the materials inside made of zinc, etc. Decision now to go ahead and pay the extra for the Shimano Stradic FL and eventually replace my bigger spinning reels with the Saragosa's. My son in law has these and they are so smooth in comparsion, it makes my Penn's feel like $10 POS. He has had several seasons fishing exactly same as me from our boat in Saltwater and has had zero issues, no corrosion and no servicing and they are flawless!
Great tear down. Thank you!
wanted a gossa, but settled for BG MQ when the supply dried up. fished it this spring, mostly plugging. Happy overall. One complaint is I had a bail close on a cast. Been more conscious of opening and position and hasn't been an issue.
would you recommend for freshwater?
have you ever experience bad gear meshing? ive hardly used mine and intermittently during use, the gears start to feel bad and as soon as that happens i stop using it. When i get home it feels buttery smooth again.
great review !! this bg MQ or saltist for shore jigging?
I think you did a fair review of the reel. It's just not that special in any way. Daiwa has to know you call em as you see em. They should have just sent you the new Saltiga if they were looking for a better review. This reel just has above average gearing because of its size. I'd Much rather get the new, or old Gosa/Spheros. Great review as always Scoob 🎣👑👏
I'm glad you think so....Thanks man! Been hearing about a local capt. who has multiple trashed saltigas and diawa won't help them....Trying to find out the first hand info and if they can send me the trashed reels.
Great information as always. Here’s my $0.02. Most freshwater fishermen don’t do a lot of maintenance, and for the most part, don’t have to and for a number of reasons this reel probably isn’t on their radar. Most saltwater fishermen buying this price point of reel want and possibly need to do some level of maintenance. One time use seals, specialty tooling, a million parts, etc. kill that for a lot of people. As you mentioned, the spinfisher and slammer iii are easy to maintain and get parts for. Daiwa may sell a ton of these, but at some point, people are going to get frustrated with the maintenance and repairs, especially at this price point.
I went into this thinking that this sealing was a response to people not being able to access daiwa magseal......and now it's the same damn thing..now you have to find a tool....40$ - 80$ is the price to expect...and often unavailble on ebay
So it's pretty clear daiwa wants to grow their service end of the business....In my recent experiences with their service they're 0-4...and yeah..not everyone services their own gear....but a surprising amount would like to....and a 6pack goes a long way extending the good years of a reels life :)
the plastic washer I think is to keep the surface of the drag from wearing down an then allowing corrosion so the plastic washer kinda protects the metal I'm assuming tbh but think that makes the most sense but maybe its something else but my other reel doesn't have that an has small scratches on that top part of drag
Worth the wait on this video, many thanks🐳🐳🐳
great stuff .. get your hands on the new stradic SW .. that would be cool
I’m deciding between the Stradic FL, saltist back bay, or this reel. Looking at 4000 size to pull big reds from structure. Which would you suggest? I have a 2500 FL and love it but I’m leaning towards the Back Bay
My fave reel in my lineup
could you do a tear down and review on the kastking kapstan elite?
Great video. Can you make a video about upgrading the roller with ball bearings for the 6000?
First time watching your channel, have you got video information on preload and torque for re assembly?
My 20 year old baitrunner waterproof drag seal has kept the felt washers fresh since I bought it
Well the refinement of the BG will never make me feel as warm and fuzzy as you putting my comment on your video 😂
LOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Another great video! I’ll take the Penn ssvi in
A 5500 or 6500 on a. Boat getting sprayed with salt water an the way out or home . Thanks ! For the dissection =Great information.
I don't see any issue. Been using all Japanese brands . Reels got sprayed by rough seas while boating. It worked fine. Just have a small WD40 on standby. But never use. Reels worked fine. Got BG 5000 for 45 years with very little maintenance. Bought a newer BG with double stopped. Only fished 5-10 kg fish on it. Just washed it after use. It will last for years
Once I forgot to remove a fishing set on a boat for three days, the reel jammed. The boat is parking in the sea. Not moving. Dismantle the reel with lots of WD40, Presto ! It worked fine as before !
Could you do a saltist mq review like this, I just got a 6000 and I love it, but I would also like to get to know the insides a little bit better without having to learn real maintenance on the way
No way to get in without this tool.
Challenge accepted, and warranty voided lol.
I can’t wait!!!!!
great review at least on there MQ reels they have got rid of the useless reverse switch, those things drive me crazy.
Just buy a Fin Nor Offshore and you know you have something, body all alu with all gear stainless steel, the 6,4 mm axle supported in 3 points, front middle and rear for real effort, no compromise as alu, coated alu or zinc, even the handle, there's no schiki miki reverse switch and no one way ball bearings but the solid clutch anti reverse. It is heavy but strong, built to hold any fish and to last forever, you can't have both, whether strenght and endurance or lightness, the lighter it is, the less substance/atoms in it... I just brought a Fin Nor Offshore 10500, when you hold it in your hand and you hear its clicking while turning the spool you know that's the thing a man wants.
An endurance test would be interesting, alu gear, coated even, vs brass and stainless steel gears, so those Daiwa and Shimano vs Fin Nor and other stainless steel and brass gear reels.
How about the cranking power? Is it significantly stronger than the BG albeit the resistance from the rubber seals?
If you look at the rash guard lower internally you can see a raised lip thatI think is meant to hook the ring gasket and pull it down into place .But in order for it to work correctly you would have to re install the rash guard lower end first not upper end as you have done. correct me if Im wrong.
I took note of that... But that's a tough ask.. As it's blind and there's know way to tell if it's done correctly unless you remove everything and look from the inside out... Then take it apart again and then redo the booth hoping to replicate.. Know what I mean?
Amazing what daiwa can do with cast zinc gears, strong and smooth as butter.
You got my thumb-up! Is the handle knob serviceable or is it the same as the BG16 ?
Serviceable
Ive been looking for a video review of the Abu Zenon and there are none. Would love to see your break down of it.
joe olivas had the bg fail on him multiple times because of that gear. granted he does fish nearly every day and puts lots of stress on his gear. nonetheless the gears were a common failure point for him. the spheros lasted him 10 times longer before any issue arose.
I replaced the line roller bushings with crbb in all of my BGs. I put a drop of Liquid Bearings on there every time I finish with fishing and I've never had a problem with them. I don't really care for the bushings
Let me ask... Who's are you using? I used to do the same and then the quality went down.. This was 15 years ago...
@@TackleAdvisors I don't know what brand they are but it's the ones from hpr bearings in Miami. Either those or sometimes I order from boca
And I said crbb but I meant the stainless.
Thank you for the review. I was thinking about picking between this and BG. This helped a lot.
By the way. Can you please tell me or post the bearing that you replace in your BG s. I know that is not water proof in the BG but would to water proof the BG with I get it as much as I can . I understand Depending on the size of the reel may make a difference on the ball bearings.
Also what do you recommend for oil and grease thank you.
You're welcome. For the 4k, this is what I've replaced them with (top pinion support bearing) amzn.to/3kwuIiW
Tackle Advisors thank you for replying.
I am looking at the 5000 but this will get me start thank you for the reply.
I’m in the market of a surf reel, and I was looking at the Daiwa BG MQ when Daiwa announced its launch, but now I’m torn between the og BG, the Spheros, and the Saltist Backbay. Lots of great info and I really enjoyed listening to your teardown! Keep up the great content!
Charlie Handley the BG isn’t the OG black and gold. But I know what you’re saying.
6atlantis yea you’re right, it just is at least to me, I’m a bit younger than most of you guys
@@charliehandley1057 way late but I have the bg and back bay and I love the back bay, but the bg gets the job done fine, I just really love how smooth my mag sealed back bay still is where my bg is slower due to loading it with grease for protection
Can you just open the side plate and access the inner reel rather than starting from top down taking out the main shaft and pinion gears. Let's see if I just want to lube up the interior can I just take off the side plate
Is there any information,, for the Spool Knob... 🙏
I lost mine , and still searching for replacement.. but no luck so far... Or is there any BG type with the same Drag knob with BG MQ 🤔
En definitiva..merece la.pena comprar el BG MQ?...o sigo con el BG 3000 y el saltist LTD 4000?
Tackle Advisors can u review shimano twin power 2020 compare with daiwa certate LT
1 hour and 48 minutes?! You're a madman.
Mwah ha ha ha ha haaaas
Give me suggestion budget reel compare daiwa BG & BG MQ which one is good
Both salt water and sweet water use
It is too late for me to return this and get a Saltist or a Gosa? WIth that being said......I have this brand new BG MQ 10K, which I bought a year ago hoping to catch some YFT on a party boat. That planned trip was cancelled many times and I am hoping to go the second week of February in 2022. Should I open the rear boot and handle and heavily grease to add water intrusion protection?
Thanks for the video
Not quite in the class of these reels, but you need to bring in the fin nor lethal, for those $99 guys. I bet it will make it into your comparisons with some more expensive reels in the future. Re this video, lets hope Shimano don't try to monetise the Gosa brand in the same way Diawa just did with this new BG.
In your opinion Comparison with BG & BG MQ which reel is better in salt water
Are you going to have a full break down of that VR50 you were using. I have one and have been using it for two years. Aside from line lay issues (returned and fixed). It has been a great little reel. Was super tight at first but it’s gotten noticeably smother with use.
yes I will
Great video
What size plier wrench were tou using in this video? Thanks bro
Would you recommend this Reel over the Spheros 8000?
I want to see manual bail on all reels, for real. I don't remember how many times it failed. I want to mention, Abu Garcia bail ( rocket model ) it is way better than shimano and daiwa in terms of bail locking system. When you open the bail, it is locked. you feel it :)
If I’m not going to be getting my reel dunked or splashed in water, would you recommend this or the spinfisher vi?
Hi there. What do you think about the tsúnami 3000 shield 2 reel?
Scuff the spool knob center and add epoxy to eliminate the line catching notch.
Dude I've been saying this!! Just by the specs I would much rather spend the money on a BG
I'm found grease of control button of bait casting , Benzy Ventula reel . Oh protect from water !
That little song you were singing.... did Daiwa come and snatch you up??! I haven't seen any recent reel breakdown videos and your stuff was golden, creme de la creme bro. Nobody has replaced you since your departure ;(
Just picked up the BG MQ 8000 today, on the recommendation of the young guy working at West Marine. He fishes all the time and said he has two of the smaller versions; the 3000 and the 6000 and loves them for snook fishing. I guess I'll see how it goes in time but I appreciate the honest review.
Hows it going
Without that tool, that I have no way of buying, I won't be buying one of these. And I'm looking to purchase a 6000 size next. The Battle iii 6000 has a brass main gear for $135. The decision is made
But penn line lay is never as good as modern Daiwa.
@@hothmobile100 not really even a issue with me. I use the penn fierce 3 live liner and it's never gave me bad line lay to where it's a problem. I fish the surf on windy days also.
The line lay on my slammer 3 and spinnfisher 6 is perfect.
@@hothmobile100 I think that was only a problem with the battle 2's. And then I don't think it's all sizes. I have two 8000s and I don't have a problem with them. My 4000 is a different story. I can't even consider using braided line on it. It's just pathetic. Hopefully the 3's will be better
DAIWA BG MQ = Big Game Monocoque = BigˌKäk for short ( Monocoque = mänəˌkäk )
Head to your nearest fishing tackle retailer and ask to see the BIG käk TODAY!
Somehow, I think it’s not gonna end up well for the customer! lol
Daiwa is never sending you anything again 😂
@@miamiwax5504 sure looks that way
@@seapancakee Monocoque nice and pretty, offers some advantages, simplicity and a bigger gear, although if l think a bit deeper not necessarily a bigger gear, what holds a multiple screwed body from holding same dimension main gear? Straight this simplicity, a single threaded piece is dangerous, think about what happens if it breaks, yeah, fishing ends with it and you may throw it or best case scenario search for spare parts as the body and/or the handle threaded support. So this thread holds the whole torque and side forces which appear, that's just a thought, perhaps there won't ever be any issues with that.
Robert Dumicz I guess we’ll have to wait and see. The old model was highly regarded as a workhorse, I hope this one live up to our expectations.
So at the end is this real better that a bg ?
Great video!
They need to go look at the old Michael reel or the quick reel from d.a.m
And a crack
I would stick with the salt x for the money i know its a little more !
Thanks for the review...at least now we folks in India know that we'll never buy this reel since there isnt a Daiwa service center in sight in this country!!! And if each manufacturer has to come out with a reel specific tool to even open it God help us all!!!
What would you buy....new Saragosa SWA, Penn Slammer III or Daiwa BG MQ? All in similar size to a Daiwa BG 8000 to use 65 braid for big tuna, slammer Mahi or even large King Mackerel to use 2-3 days a week.
The Slammer!