I met Melinda Gebbie at Comic-Con, A couple of years ago when she was doing a signing for Lost Girls at the Top Shelf booth, This was after the news had come out that she and Alan Moore would be getting married, She's a charming lady.
Just reread Lost Girls and it's a beautiful piece of work, the sex is arousing, it actually has a plot and characters you care about, lifted from Children's lit, admittedly, and a hotel that makes the dance academy in Suspiria look drab. The ending is genuinely sad and poignant, into the bargain. I'm glad there's a pornographic fable as amitious and nuanced as this in the world. Lots of nods to other notable literary smut-hounds like Beardsley, Loúys, Apollinare & Schiele within. Moore and Gebbie's approach was commendable, and if it offends some sweaty, superhero-addicted fanboy in his mum's basement somewhere, then all the better.
"I think the only difference between pornography and erotica is the income bracket of the person reading it" ... LOL! Alan Moore: one of the very very very few truthful humans on planet earth! LOL! Genius!!!
I got Lost Girls yesterday and am already half way through it. the first thing that struck me was the beauty of the art work. i'm not talking about the images of nudity or of sexual activity (although they are brilliant) but the grace and delicacy taken in each panal. Gebbie's work is breath taking and Moore is a consumate story teller. Best £33 i've ever spent.
I'm 27 and have only really just discovered the world of the graphic novel. Well, i bought the first two LoEG volumes after watching the film - a good thing i did, so as not to be disappointed by the Hollywoodisation of the source material. Ditto VfV and i got Watchmen on the same day as i saw the film - that was only slightly deviated, not bad. i'm looking forward to buying lost girls - i find the whole concept of openning up and examining the 'classic' and even the 'sacred' to be fascinating
I think Stan Lee is more sort of pure escapism just flights of fantasy whereas Alan is more trying act like a novelist; exploring humanity and what drives it etc
Stan Lee was staunchly against escapism and refused to let his audience not think about what he was writing. He even wrote a news letter detailing such. Captain America was always against xenophobia. The X-Men was about racism. You're confusing superficially dark storytelling with depth.
Heheh. I managed to meet Melinda in Dublin earlier this month and get Lost Girls and one of her underground comix signed. Lovely lady, she even drew a little sketch of Alice in one!
@TheHarryMason I don't think its ruining these stories. Moore and Gebbie aren't just turning them into exploitive pornograghy. They're just interpreting the characters in their own way and using a bit of imagination to add more to the original stories. I think everybody's free to their own interpretation. Also Lewis Carroll who wrote Alice used to photograph underage girls naked. So I think its fine to challenge the repressive ideologies of some of these 'classic' children's stories. My opinion.
Not sure which Charlies Angels he talked about, but the original ones are from 1976, which is well over 20 years earlier than Lost Girls (unless you count the '92 version).
No, it's not. Creating children to ensure our species' survival is. The act itself, while potentially beautiful, is just that. Anyone who thinks otherwise is hedonistic or misguided.
thats mate for telling me about the book i will be buying it very soon i cant wait to read it iam butying all 3 books that come in a set i will let you know what i think of it
It's a fantastic series, but its VERY hardcore. Now, its not just sex sex sex, and I feel that the sex is introspective and does add some interesting elements to the characters. Its interesting to see Moore's take on the classical stories from a sexual viewpoint. I think its a marvelous series and is wonderfully written and has a lot to say about pornography, but if you can't take hardcore sex (or if you can't handle things like gay sex or incest) you may want to stay away.
Well it's not likely you'll find it at a bargain price, It is a $75.00 3 volume book we're talking about here, Some comic retail websites might offer a discount, Milehigh Comics, Midtown Comics, etc.
Alan Moore is a far superior writer but Stan Lee has created many of the most famous and enduring characters that outnumber those that Morre has created. It's hard to say really, they're both quite different.
@BatOtaku13 Well Stan Lee has been a great promo man for Marvel comics throughout his life although to be fair it was Stan Lee & Jack Kirby & Steve Ditko who made the biggest contributions to the Marvel comics as we know it, Stan did take the lions share of all the credit though and IMHO it's really only been in the last couple of decades or so that he's given others like Kirby and Ditko any mention at all.
Movie? what movie? Lost Girls is a graphic novel, one of the best graphic novels in the last couple of decades which does for erotica what Watchmen did for superhero comics.
Its Alan Moore opinion of the sexual development of those characters Sex is one very defining feature of human psychology and these characters are unique meaning and different from other real world characters meaning that they could have had a different sexual development than most.
I think he distort pulp literature. If it isn’t Victorian literature in lost girls it’s Edwardian lit like Allan quarterman in League of extraordinary yadda yadda. He did it with superheroes.
whats the story to this book?is it good?i hear its good.does it have like very hard sex parts thats the only thing iam not so sure about the book.becuse i dont want to read nothin to hard.but if it is i think i can handle it.but someone tell me about it.
idk who or what started the Stan Lee thing, but even though I respect Stan Lee, he isn't close to digging as deep as Alan Moore has when it comes to comics
I wouldn't have any problem with giving a Lost Girls film that kind of rating either, I'm not sure that you could get all that many theatres to carry an X rated film these days though, The MPAA is pretty gutless even when it comes to NC-17 or unrated films these days.
I agree with you completely. When I read watchmen and v for vendetta I wondered what would posses a person to create such morally ambiguous and unsympathetic characters. But when he explains it it's like "oh duh! that makes perfect sense! that's the ONLY way to do these characters!"
I have read Lost Girls and I found it wonderful. But could you expect less of Alan Moore as for Melinda Gibbs art it was spot on. As for the pornographic nature of Lost Girls it just makes the story better.
No such thing? Have you actually READ Lost Girls? Alan Moore wrote Lost Girls because so many people become outraged at the mere mention or hint of sex in visual media.
@kingsman565 Whats with the digg at Stan Lee? Neither of these guys are better then the other since they had completely diffrent styles and purposes. Stan Lee helped bring comics to the world. Moore made us think deeper on the stories that can be in comics. Both are great and equal in their greatness.
I dunno. I dont get it. Cartoon porn is strange. Cartoon porn showing beloved children characters is stranger. Add incest and you've got something truly odd. What was the point of it? I love Alan Moore, but without being a blind follower, you have to sort of ask what he was trying to achieve.
lost girls is a great book. it does however contain alot of hardcore sex. but i found it very butefual becuse alan moore shows a very lovealbe side to his writing. becuse alan moore wrote such as v for vendta and watchmen etc wich have insaine violnce and i like alot of action when i rread comic books. but lost girls changes that for me. i mean lost girls is the only no violnet book i will read i think its a reall y good book. its a most have if your a alan more fan.
I wish this video explained what he was trying to do with this comic. I thought i'd be fine with it all but all the characters have deeply screwed up sexual ethics and no-one in the comic has a problem with it.
Two things: 1. Stan Lee is just as good a writer as Mr. Moore, but he's chosen to keep his comics mainstream and kid-friendly... 2. Without Smilin' Stan, there'd be no Alan Moore, precisely because of point #1.
I read Lost Girls are was so disappointed when I realised it wasn't anything more than pornography. I was looking forward to..I dunno, something a bit more Alan Moore-ish. The illustrations were extremely well done but still...it's just pretty porn. Kind of waste of money for me :/
I met Melinda Gebbie at Comic-Con,
A couple of years ago when she was doing a signing for Lost Girls at the Top Shelf booth,
This was after the news had come out that she and Alan Moore would be getting married,
She's a charming lady.
Just reread Lost Girls and it's a beautiful piece of work, the sex is arousing, it actually has a plot and characters you care about, lifted from Children's lit, admittedly, and a hotel that makes the dance academy in Suspiria look drab. The ending is genuinely sad and poignant, into the bargain. I'm glad there's a pornographic fable as amitious and nuanced as this in the world. Lots of nods to other notable literary smut-hounds like Beardsley, Loúys, Apollinare & Schiele within. Moore and Gebbie's approach was commendable, and if it offends some sweaty, superhero-addicted fanboy in his mum's basement somewhere, then all the better.
children in sex scenes that aint art thats pedophilia
Your comment fits the bill of your appraisal perfectly; you definitely live in your mum's basement.
"I think the only difference between pornography and erotica is the income bracket of the person reading it"
... LOL! Alan Moore: one of the very very very few truthful humans on planet earth! LOL! Genius!!!
I got Lost Girls yesterday and am already half way through it. the first thing that struck me was the beauty of the art work. i'm not talking about the images of nudity or of sexual activity (although they are brilliant) but the grace and delicacy taken in each panal. Gebbie's work is breath taking and Moore is a consumate story teller.
Best £33 i've ever spent.
Wow- that sequence at 3:16 is brilliantly executed, with the shadows reflecting her mindset. Very clever.
Lost Girls is amazing
I'm 27 and have only really just discovered the world of the graphic novel. Well, i bought the first two LoEG volumes after watching the film - a good thing i did, so as not to be disappointed by the Hollywoodisation of the source material. Ditto VfV and i got Watchmen on the same day as i saw the film - that was only slightly deviated, not bad.
i'm looking forward to buying lost girls - i find the whole concept of openning up and examining the 'classic' and even the 'sacred' to be fascinating
does alan moore in this remind anyone else of ben kinsley as the mandrin before the plot twist
It's fairer to say the Mandarin before the plot twist reminded me of Alan Moore.
I never saw him coming.
I think Stan Lee is more sort of pure escapism just flights of fantasy whereas Alan is more trying act like a novelist; exploring humanity and what drives it etc
Stan Lee was staunchly against escapism and refused to let his audience not think about what he was writing.
He even wrote a news letter detailing such. Captain America was always against xenophobia. The X-Men was about racism.
You're confusing superficially dark storytelling with depth.
AuruLupus exactly
Heheh. I managed to meet Melinda in Dublin earlier this month and get Lost Girls and one of her underground comix signed. Lovely lady, she even drew a little sketch of Alice in one!
Lost Girls was weird yet strangely fascinating.
Is there a part 5? All these Alan Moore parts end the same without end credits, so i assume there's yet another part right??!
@TheHarryMason I don't think its ruining these stories. Moore and Gebbie aren't just turning them into exploitive pornograghy. They're just interpreting the characters in their own way and using a bit of imagination to add more to the original stories. I think everybody's free to their own interpretation. Also Lewis Carroll who wrote Alice used to photograph underage girls naked. So I think its fine to challenge the repressive ideologies of some of these 'classic' children's stories. My opinion.
Not sure which Charlies Angels he talked about, but the original ones are from 1976, which is well over 20 years earlier than Lost Girls (unless you count the '92 version).
No she was talking to Daniel Clowes and said
"I can really relate to the
women from Ghost World"
Which is a completely different comic.
@WillScarlet16 "Like Coke in green glass bottles, they don`t make it anymore" - Rorschach
It's finger armour. I've got some too. Dani Filth usually has a shitload of it in Cradle of Filth music videos.
Sex is a central human pursuit, I like that Mr. Moore wrote an intelligent story about it.
No, it's not. Creating children to ensure our species' survival is. The act itself, while potentially beautiful, is just that. Anyone who thinks otherwise is hedonistic or misguided.
He's a great Comic book creater. He also looks like Santa's hobo brother.
The actual ending is hard to explain, but basically everyone leaves the hotel in which they were staying and goes on with their lives.
thats mate for telling me about the book i will be buying it very soon i cant wait to read it iam butying all 3 books that come in a set i will let you know what i think of it
It's a fantastic series, but its VERY hardcore. Now, its not just sex sex sex, and I feel that the sex is introspective and does add some interesting elements to the characters. Its interesting to see Moore's take on the classical stories from a sexual viewpoint.
I think its a marvelous series and is wonderfully written and has a lot to say about pornography, but if you can't take hardcore sex (or if you can't handle things like gay sex or incest) you may want to stay away.
Wherever it's sold, man!
@enjoypolydor but Zappa hated drugs, and Moore definitely did his share of them
Well it's not likely you'll find it at a bargain price, It is a $75.00 3 volume book we're talking about here, Some comic retail websites might offer a discount,
Milehigh Comics, Midtown Comics, etc.
Alan Moore is a far superior writer but Stan Lee has created many of the most famous and enduring characters that outnumber those that Morre has created. It's hard to say really, they're both quite different.
legodarknight101 Stan Lee stole a bunch of other people's work and took credit.
how do you know he created them?
I do like the scene briefly shown in the background of Wendy and her husband's shadows have a sexual encounter....very well done
I'm sure whatever the comic is, it's a unique tale with smut.
@BatOtaku13 Well Stan Lee has been a great promo man for Marvel comics throughout his life although to be fair it was Stan Lee & Jack Kirby & Steve Ditko who made the biggest contributions to the Marvel comics as we know it, Stan did take the lions share of all the credit though and IMHO it's really only been in the last couple of decades or so that he's given others like Kirby and Ditko any mention at all.
I love you Alan Moore !you are my muse !
@kingsman565
Both are great. Comics would be nowhere near where they are today if it wasn't for Stan Lee.
Movie? what movie?
Lost Girls is a graphic novel,
one of the best graphic novels in the last couple of decades which does for erotica what Watchmen did for
superhero comics.
Ok, this sold me, I'm buying Lost Girls. Literary porn for the ultimate win.
@kingsman565 thats not true. Stan Lee is the Beatles, Alan Moore is Bob Dylan
Its Alan Moore opinion of the sexual development of those characters
Sex is one very defining feature of human psychology and these characters are unique meaning and different from other real world characters meaning that they could have had a different sexual development than most.
@TheHarryMason
who walt disney?
idk if ur aware but disney has more adult themes than most r rated movies.
I think he distort pulp literature. If it isn’t Victorian literature in lost girls it’s Edwardian lit like Allan quarterman in League of extraordinary yadda yadda. He did it with superheroes.
Can you link me what your smoking, dawg????
@judy3437
What makes you say that the visuals are unfeminist?
The depiction of child abuse????
whats the story to this book?is it good?i hear its good.does it have like very hard sex parts thats the only thing iam not so sure about the book.becuse i dont want to read nothin to hard.but if it is i think i can handle it.but someone tell me about it.
You have to read Lost Girls to get a sense of Alan Moore's lighter side.
idk who or what started the Stan Lee thing, but even though I respect Stan Lee, he isn't close to digging as deep as Alan Moore has when it comes to comics
I wouldn't have any problem with giving a Lost Girls film that kind of rating either,
I'm not sure that you could get all that many theatres to carry an X rated film these days though, The MPAA is pretty gutless even when it comes to NC-17 or unrated films these days.
@Jaiyeson I've got nothing but respect for Stan but I prefer Moores style to Marvel anyday.
I agree with you completely. When I read watchmen and v for vendetta I wondered what would posses a person to create such morally ambiguous and unsympathetic characters. But when he explains it it's like "oh duh! that makes perfect sense! that's the ONLY way to do these characters!"
I have read Lost Girls and I found it wonderful. But could you expect less of Alan Moore as for Melinda Gibbs art it was spot on. As for the pornographic nature of Lost Girls it just makes the story better.
No such thing? Have you actually READ Lost Girls?
Alan Moore wrote Lost Girls because so many people become outraged at the mere mention or hint of sex in visual media.
Alan Moore
@davidgoesmoo Stan Lee didn't drop enough acid to be the Beatles.
You obviously didn't understand point # 1.
@kingsman565
Whats with the digg at Stan Lee? Neither of these guys are better then the other since they had completely diffrent styles and purposes. Stan Lee helped bring comics to the world. Moore made us think deeper on the stories that can be in comics. Both are great and equal in their greatness.
That would be a little hard unless you wanted to go for an X to XXX rated film.
I dunno. I dont get it. Cartoon porn is strange. Cartoon porn showing beloved children characters is stranger. Add incest and you've got something truly odd.
What was the point of it? I love Alan Moore, but without being a blind follower, you have to sort of ask what he was trying to achieve.
lost girls is a great book. it does however contain alot of hardcore sex. but i found it very butefual becuse alan moore shows a very lovealbe side to his writing. becuse alan moore wrote such as v for vendta and watchmen etc wich have insaine violnce and i like alot of action when i rread comic books. but lost girls changes that for me. i mean lost girls is the only no violnet book i will read i think its a reall y good book. its a most have if your a alan more fan.
To anyone who's actually read this book, it wouldn't surprise them if Alan Moore suddenly started eating people
@davidgoesmoo Funny you should say that I love Bob Dylan & I hate the beatles
Lost Girls is something no one believes in anymore - INTELLIGENT pornography.
Really. Stan "The Man" Lee FTW!!!
LOL Stan Lee
I wish this video explained what he was trying to do with this comic. I thought i'd be fine with it all but all the characters have deeply screwed up sexual ethics and no-one in the comic has a problem with it.
Exactly, I need someone to address this wtf is going on here
Two things:
1. Stan Lee is just as good a writer as Mr. Moore, but he's chosen to keep his comics mainstream and kid-friendly...
2. Without Smilin' Stan, there'd be no Alan Moore, precisely because of point #1.
doubtful, stan is a prop for marvel and regurgitated comics
LOL, what? Stan Lee revolutionized comics, and that's undeniable...
Stan Lee stole a bunch of other people's work and that's undeniable
@@ratman9220 Kirby was run out of Marvel and DC among other companies for stealing work.
3:48
I`m surprised some douchebag hasn`t flagged this video yet for that XD
Stan Lee isn't worthy to polish Alan's shoes's & Stan Lee would probably agree.
@kingsman565 Wah, what a sham. Such juvenile attitudes, always trying to place one thing over another.
Stan Lee hands down
Repulsive.
I read Lost Girls are was so disappointed when I realised it wasn't anything more than pornography. I was looking forward to..I dunno, something a bit more Alan Moore-ish. The illustrations were extremely well done but still...it's just pretty porn. Kind of waste of money for me :/