I've been riding my SRF through London for 2 years now and I ride just like you and get exactly the same range as you did. I literally just read my battery percentage as miles of range now and that's a pretty accurate guide. On the motorway at a constant 75 I get around 60 miles of range so as you'd expect it's not built for that really. It's just a perfect commuter bike for me. Couple of weeks back I did an experiment to try and fully deplete the battery and I struggled... when it got below 10% I was limited to 30 mph with not much torque and then when it got to 0% the bike really surprised me, it just kept going and going. In fact I rode it up and down my road about 30 times and still couldn't get it to die which made me feel better about running out of range for real one day. I'm guessing it's probably got a spare 10% of battery for a limping home situation. Anyways great video Spicy 👍
Yes you can really feel the power being lowered as you get low but as you say it just keep going, I assume they made it like that so you are going to have to really mess up to actually run out at the side of the road. 🙂👍
That's pretty much exactly what I get out of mine, just riding normally. Longest ride I've done was 100 miles, got home with 15% battery left. It does noticeably get sadder and sadder as the SOC drops under 40%, not to make it last longer as you think, but just because the battery literally can't get as much power out of itself as it can when it's bursting at the seams. At 10% SOC the bike goes into "limp mode" and the software does actually restrict your output, hard - it feels like Eco mode. When you're riding in the cold (like, under 10 degrees or so), that takes the edge off of it too, and also cuts about 10 miles off of the range. When it's really cold, under 5 degrees, it feels worse again, and you lose another 10 miles.
I honestly can't wait until I can buy one of these, they're just so cool. Too little range too long to charge bla bla bla, we'll get used to it! In the meantime what fun!
100 -110 mile on mine with 18% soc left, same sort of riding and its such good fun , i just love this bike ,it leaves you wanting more & more ,so i tend to use it a lot more than my ice bike now
I've passed many a horse on the DS and never had one react, even with my squealing belt. Most dogs are fine too although there are the odd few that will jump at any bike regardless of what noise it's making
Great to see some Hampshire roads again.. I like the sounds of that bike when you really twist the wrist. 😉 I've been looking at the electric bike that Braaap are going to release later this year in Australia.. 🇦🇺 Looks like it would be fun too, though I'd have to go for the biggest power option 😂
Quick select work around to raise the speed to what you want in cruise ,press the cruise control button twice and you have new speed. As battery reduces energy is less so performance reduces its a function of the battery After 10,000 uk miles in "Beast" mode on SRF range is 80 miles with 10 mile get you home reserve.
I think the reason you get less power when the battery is lower, is because they is how rechargeable batteries work. They have a voltage range, where it constantly decreases as it gets lower. chemical single use batteries hold the same voltage right up until the end of their life where they quickly loose voltage, but rechargeable have a range.
I often have to do 50 to 70 miles on a combination of A & B roads and motorway before starting a ride-out with friends & we stay out all day. I wouldn’t want to have to set off an hour earlier, so I can charge it when I get there, then have to charge again mid ride, then before going home. So probably still not for me. I need some serious range for the rides that I do, or some probably unobtainable charge times. When the range gets more than doubled in electric bikes, then I might consider one. Probably won’t take long to happen, lots of progress being made
Good real-world test, Spicy. I'd still need a petrol engine for long, all-day rides of say, 500 klms. I'm sure electrissikal bikes will bet there in a few years, though. 👍 🏍
Great video & nice bike, but the wife (she rides her own bike) & I being retired rarely do less than 120 miles on our rides out. So, two things letting the bike down for us & it's the usual two things with electric vehicles, yes, it's price & range. I sure they will get there in time🤔
You did the real world test in your last video where you spent your time suffering from distance anxiety and couldn't find a charger and when you did you got messed around with setting up apps to then charge
Did you watch the whole video? The issue was being given wrong postcodes by a person. Once I knew what company to use it's easy. Now it's all set up its no harder then filling with petrol other than the much longer refill time.
@@spicy110 You're not the first to point out charging issues...and thats great if you go back to that charge point but if you're in another part of the country that doesn't use those charge points you now have the same issues. its also on many EV youtube channels about charge points not working, queues when arriving and having or not having the right app (less Tesla world) to pay The EV world in the UK has a great deal to do before we take it up but the price of these EV bikes for what you actually get over its petrol counterpart is the biggest no chance factor
@@pcat1378 oh I am not saying the system has no issues it's way too early for it to be perfect. I am just saying had I already had the app set up and had the right postcode not one letter out it would have been as easy as a petrol fill apart from the time. The issues in that video were not down to the system that was and is my point. You also have to take in to accout the reality, most people do not do over 60 miles in a day to work and back (most not all) these people will never need a charger nor would I had the cable I was given worked. This is why I disagree that it was my range test. You seem to want to tell me what my issues were on the day to prove to me or other people some point when that was not the reality.
I'd love one for solo rides and commuting. We have a electric car already and I feel a bit guilty and inconvenienced having to take my bike for petrol! Might have to have a decent 'old fashioned' bike for the longer group rides though.
Has no one got a mate to follow them with a trailer or in a van to see how far you can go, and then haul it back or to a charge point. Like really just push it till it dies. Oh and the three dislikes are from the big oil/coal corps. Hiss n boo and all that. If you can store it, can you record a huge long ride like that, slap some calm music to it and give us a time lapse/superspeed thing?
Sadly not, I don't have any mates with cars and trailers, however I do know it limits you to 30mph are some point and then just seem to keep going and going, clearly designed to get you home. Sadly also I can't do any suggestions as the bike went back 2 days ago.
As battery technology and motor effectively improves, hopefully production volume will help to bring manufacturing cost down 👍. If I live that long, even this “old fart” will want one in the garage 😉! Will it ever be enough to make me sell my SuperMoto bike ?…….NOPE ! I’m addicted to the sound 🤪.
Pretty bad-ass range, totally enough for 75% of riding I'd say, especially if you commute. Everybody in the US takes this position like they're commuting 100 miles each way every day but for 99% of peoples' commutes it is easily enough range. Though I think in the US less people use bikes for commuting than people use for weekend pleasure, so maybe not as workable here, but EV bikes with this much range are definitely feasible for a lot of people. No replacement for ICE, and I'll hold onto it as long as possible, but people get ridiculous about their range requirements whenever you bring up EV's lol.
@@spicy110 We do have long distances to cover, no doubt, but the average commute country-wide is 16mi to work. Yet when you bring up EV's everybody acts like they got a 50 mile each way commute, lol. Love me some ICE, but there's no doubt IMO that EV's (both bikes and cars) will work the for the vast majority of people - especially those who view them as appliances, and are not very interested in them.
No contest as far as energica is concerned. Energica has far superior specs. The latest enegica Experia adventure tourer does 420 km per charge 👀. That's 260 miles and has a 40 minute fast charge time. Zero is now a dinosaur.
You posted almost an identical comment on the other zero videos, what are you up to? I will say the same thing I said to the last one. The Energica is likely to be 10k+ more than this bike, that is relevant.
@@spicy110 That's called " consistency of opinion " . Yes, Zero has lousy customer service and won't sell major parts for their bikes to customers? If you have a problem with that take it up with Zero.
About £3.60 for power that is at 30p per KW, £1.00 connection fee so £4.60ish from a fast public charger. At home it is much less but depends on your tariff.
Hey man, I was wondering what would happen if you turned off the regen when riding motorways at 70mph for prolonged periods of time. Could you coast for longer at 70mph and drain the battery less? Would it literally be like turning off engine breaking to sustain higher speeds with ease and save electricty. I've never riden one so I wouldn't know. Also I liked your moth and night life videos. Stay safe take care Spicy Love Kai
You can't just coast along at 70mph (or any speed) on flat ground, you still have air resistance slowing you down so you need some energy to maintain the speed. If there's any power going to the motor then the amount of regen doesn't matter
Well its a good thing I asked Spicy who actually makes videos. Maybe coast was the wrong word and should be the operatable word, what I mean is having more travel from using the same amount of energy by having less resistance from regen. Which would add to a formula that may offset other combined resistances for a smaller net loss of energy conservation whilst communiting at motorway speeds. This is because momentum is conserved and the amount of energy you would use to maintain 70mph wouldn't be as much as what you would use when building up to that speed. Any resistance from regen at the hubs would reduce the conservation of momentum more than air resistance alone. Putting into account the size of the bike, the displacment of air, the bikes torque and acceleration capabilities. I believe that turning off any regen on a motorway commute would help conserve momentum by having less resistance. But I was trying to say it in a friendly way to Spicy. Mainly as he makes videos and this could be some good content. What do you think Kieran, actually just to stop you there pal. I've read what you think and didn't see much merrit or value in it. Maybe I should suggest an experiment for you. Get push bike hold onto a bus and see how much energy you can conserve. Please remember not to wear safety gear and slam into a wall. Count the broken bones from the impact and see how much air resistance helped you to reduce the damage you sustained. Please record this and post it to a media distrubution company, I would suggest You've Been Framed. Cash reward... Eh eh eh. Think of all the things you could buy that would benefit you more than posting a responce to my message when it was aimed at Spicy. Whos opinion I actually respect, not yours. I still believe my comment promotes a concept or idea for content. Yours is a half baked pile of dog vomit wrapped up in the sh*t stain duvet called your contribution on my comment to Spicy. Ahem... ... I love the content Spicy. I'm sorry for this message I just get sick of all the Trolls lurking on your comments giving others a hard time. Keep up the good work man Kai
@@gotabadassoverhere Just because I don't make good videos doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about. I have an electric motorcycle and know a fair bit about them. When power is being applied to the motor, which it would be to maintain any speed unless you're going downhill (actually coasting), regen makes absolutely no difference. It doesn't add any drag to the motor unless the throttle is at 0%. It's pretty simple, so I would suggest instead of insulting me for just answering your question and trying to educate you you instead fuck off and educate yourself.
Well, firstly regen is always on when engaged in the settings which adds resistance. For example when you use 50% throttle and reduce it to 25%. Do you feel the regen emulate engine breaking once you've reduced the throttle. Going from 50% to 25% throttle is still classed as power on so there shouldn't be any engine breaking effects. If there are then the regen is on all the time, which adds resistance. On a motorway with regen off, you could ride up to 73mph and coast down to 60mph, still ride safe and do this over and over again. If it takes 5 seconds to deaccelrate to 60mph from 73mph. That means every 10 seconds you only need to use less than 5 seconds throttle. Add this up to hours and it means every 1 hour you'll only use 30 mins of juice with constent motorway riding. Which saves energy more than pinning the throttle to maintain 70mph. Reducing drag via diasbling the regen which increases coasting and reduces the time it takes to slow down. With an implemented riding method of going up to 70mph and coasting to 60mph before adding throttle saves juice. And would also be seen as a safe increment of 10mph applied slowly when correct crusing distances are appied in the slow lane of a motorway. But yeah run your mouth and call me stupid, when you butted in on a message that wasn't addressing you. Please put my previous experiment mentioned in my last comment into consideration and possible implementation. Remeber to film it. Kai
@@gotabadassoverhere Like I said, educate yourself. Regen is only active when the throttle is at 0%, it physically can't be active when power is being applied to the motor (when the throttle is greater than 0%). If I go from 50% throttle to 25% throttle I will slow down at the exact same rate whether regen is set to 100% or 0%, the only time it would affect how quickly I slowed is if I closed the throttle completely to 0%.
At the point they are much cheaper those bikes will be long gone, so no. It's going to be a while before prices drop that much. I discuss this more over the coming videos. Many of them haha all on patron atm be on TH-cam in due course
@@spicy110 if the price is going down to around 15k€. This could definitely be something I would consider. But I will get a EV this Autumn so there is already an affinity.
If Tesla made a motorbike, the acceleration would most likely be ridiculous, also aren't there some rules on how quickly things can accelerate to be road legal?
Good demonstration of why the ancient technology of electric vehicles is only slightly less s***e than it was when Edward VII was on the throne. There is increasing interest in REALISTIC solutions such as hydrogen or synthetic fuel powered vehicles. The scale, cost and practicality alone of the infrastructure required for electric vehicles, disregarding their inherent flaws re range, charging time etc makes the whole idea a massive white elephant.
The majority of commuters would find even a 7.2 Zero adequate for their daily ride, and charging time or the ease of charging in public only matters if you can't charge at home or work. Electric motorcycles are not ideal for everyone but they're good enough for more people than you realise.
@@HomoKieran Vast numbers can't charge for anything other than urban journeys as only a miniscule amount of the necessary infrastructure is in place. A solution that matches, works with or betters the internal combustion engine is what's needed not a slightly improved version of a failed old idea that can at best only ever be a partial urban solution for some.
monck55, with all due respect to someone spouting nonsense as if it were accepted fact... - hydrogen is more realistic...how? the electrolysis you need to carry out to obtain the hydrogen uses more electricity than a battery EV would have used. how is more inefficiency more realistic? answer: it is not. - the infrastructure required for battery ev adoption across the entire fleet of vehicles is going to be built anyway in order to transition the grid away from fossil fuels. having a giant energy storage in the form of your car in the driveway actually helps that process massively, as it provides a buffer for intermittent renewables. - if you paid attention to anyone who owns and operates one, the range and charging time issues are already recognised as red herrings. these are problems that simply don't exist for the vast majority of use cases. - what about the inherent flaws with petrol? necessitates heavily subsidised, massively polluting infrastructure for processing and distribution, and unlike wind energy, every so often you gotta fight a war or two to maintain supply lines. plus it gives children asthma, and kills adults with heart and lung disease. this is what you're defending? i have made SO much money in the stock market betting against your perspective. and it warms my heart that, whether you like it or not, this change is happening, and all you'll be able to do is continue to grow older shouting at that cloud.
Real world test is to take this on a proper highway at 60-70 mph as we have here in U.S with side and top cases or with pillion. Bet you wouldn't get more than 40 miles range. Greenie nut jobs just trying to push an agenda with something absurdly expensive that is not even close to a near equivalent replacement for proven IC engine tech. I can easily ride my VStrom 1000 for 200 miles per tankful without any range anxiety regardless of most riding conditions and still have > 30 mile reserve.. This weekend I rode over 350 miles averaging over 50 mpg and driving with purpose. My point is at achievable 50 mpg for a liter displacement bike and even more for smaller displacement bikes why would anyone want this electric POS?
Because if we are honest, most people aren't riding hundreds of miles, every day..... or even most days. I have an '18 model, most days, im tired if riding, way before the bike is even close to dead. 13KWH version S model.
Zero motorcycle are a joke and a major ripoff. U are better off with an affordable chinese brand. I would never buy those zero great POS! This is the reason why zero will disappear as a company and go bankrupt. No wonder they are called zero, as in you get zero value! Stay away from this electric crap!💩💩💩💩
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I've been riding my SRF through London for 2 years now and I ride just like you and get exactly the same range as you did. I literally just read my battery percentage as miles of range now and that's a pretty accurate guide.
On the motorway at a constant 75 I get around 60 miles of range so as you'd expect it's not built for that really. It's just a perfect commuter bike for me.
Couple of weeks back I did an experiment to try and fully deplete the battery and I struggled... when it got below 10% I was limited to 30 mph with not much torque and then when it got to 0% the bike really surprised me, it just kept going and going. In fact I rode it up and down my road about 30 times and still couldn't get it to die which made me feel better about running out of range for real one day. I'm guessing it's probably got a spare 10% of battery for a limping home situation.
Anyways great video Spicy 👍
Yes you can really feel the power being lowered as you get low but as you say it just keep going, I assume they made it like that so you are going to have to really mess up to actually run out at the side of the road. 🙂👍
That's pretty much exactly what I get out of mine, just riding normally. Longest ride I've done was 100 miles, got home with 15% battery left. It does noticeably get sadder and sadder as the SOC drops under 40%, not to make it last longer as you think, but just because the battery literally can't get as much power out of itself as it can when it's bursting at the seams. At 10% SOC the bike goes into "limp mode" and the software does actually restrict your output, hard - it feels like Eco mode. When you're riding in the cold (like, under 10 degrees or so), that takes the edge off of it too, and also cuts about 10 miles off of the range. When it's really cold, under 5 degrees, it feels worse again, and you lose another 10 miles.
"SPICY MODE" Should be available on all bikes 🏍👍👍👊👊
I honestly can't wait until I can buy one of these, they're just so cool. Too little range too long to charge bla bla bla, we'll get used to it! In the meantime what fun!
100 -110 mile on mine with 18% soc left, same sort of riding and its such good fun , i just love this bike ,it leaves you wanting more & more ,so i tend to use it a lot more than my ice bike now
I think it sounds cool. Doesn't hit the same as a good brap but still cool, and the power delivery looks super fun.
Great test!
Love the chat w/the bridge lol. Hilarious.
Wondering how fast range drops as you start cruising a bit faster, say 85mph?
I've passed many a horse on the DS and never had one react, even with my squealing belt. Most dogs are fine too although there are the odd few that will jump at any bike regardless of what noise it's making
Yes I have noticed some dogs really go for electrics more so than petrol, I guess it's the high pitch sounds.
@@spicy110 I thought it was just me, dogs make me nervous cause some of them have a strange suicidal tendency to jump out in front of you 😂🙃
i did 130 km today - had 30 more left according to the display. love this bike, but i keep it in street mode just love that engine break
Great to see some Hampshire roads again.. I like the sounds of that bike when you really twist the wrist. 😉
I've been looking at the electric bike that Braaap are going to release later this year in Australia.. 🇦🇺
Looks like it would be fun too, though I'd have to go for the biggest power option 😂
Quick select work around to raise the speed to what you want in cruise ,press the cruise control button twice and you have new speed. As battery reduces energy is less so performance reduces its a function of the battery After 10,000 uk miles in "Beast" mode on SRF range is 80 miles with 10 mile get you home reserve.
I think the reason you get less power when the battery is lower, is because they is how rechargeable batteries work. They have a voltage range, where it constantly decreases as it gets lower. chemical single use batteries hold the same voltage right up until the end of their life where they quickly loose voltage, but rechargeable have a range.
Damn !! I think you went into double sport mode there Sam a bit !!! Like 200 mph !!
Didn't know it had streethawk mode too 😁
I often have to do 50 to 70 miles on a combination of A & B roads and motorway before starting a ride-out with friends & we stay out all day. I wouldn’t want to have to set off an hour earlier, so I can charge it when I get there, then have to charge again mid ride, then before going home. So probably still not for me. I need some serious range for the rides that I do, or some probably unobtainable charge times. When the range gets more than doubled in electric bikes, then I might consider one. Probably won’t take long to happen, lots of progress being made
Good real-world test, Spicy. I'd still need a petrol engine for long, all-day rides of say, 500 klms. I'm sure electrissikal bikes will bet there in a few years, though. 👍 🏍
Great video & nice bike, but the wife (she rides her own bike) & I being retired rarely do less than 120 miles on our rides out. So, two things letting the bike down for us & it's the usual two things with electric vehicles, yes, it's price & range. I sure they will get there in time🤔
You did the real world test in your last video where you spent your time suffering from distance anxiety and couldn't find a charger and when you did you got messed around with setting up apps to then charge
Did you watch the whole video? The issue was being given wrong postcodes by a person. Once I knew what company to use it's easy. Now it's all set up its no harder then filling with petrol other than the much longer refill time.
@@spicy110 You're not the first to point out charging issues...and thats great if you go back to that charge point but if you're in another part of the country that doesn't use those charge points you now have the same issues.
its also on many EV youtube channels about charge points not working, queues when arriving and having or not having the right app (less Tesla world) to pay
The EV world in the UK has a great deal to do before we take it up but the price of these EV bikes for what you actually get over its petrol counterpart is the biggest no chance factor
@@pcat1378 oh I am not saying the system has no issues it's way too early for it to be perfect. I am just saying had I already had the app set up and had the right postcode not one letter out it would have been as easy as a petrol fill apart from the time. The issues in that video were not down to the system that was and is my point.
You also have to take in to accout the reality, most people do not do over 60 miles in a day to work and back (most not all) these people will never need a charger nor would I had the cable I was given worked. This is why I disagree that it was my range test. You seem to want to tell me what my issues were on the day to prove to me or other people some point when that was not the reality.
@@spicy110 Understood and thank you for replying.
I'd love one for solo rides and commuting. We have a electric car already and I feel a bit guilty and inconvenienced having to take my bike for petrol! Might have to have a decent 'old fashioned' bike for the longer group rides though.
FXS green laning without worrying of peds, horses etc :)
100 - 120 miles is what I generally expect to get from my zero SR as well.
12:06 "Norman, give me hyperthrust"
I thought the magnet fishing was back for a second.
Would like to know what miles it gets 2 up mr spicy 👊🏾
Is the old intro music for Spicy's channel available anywhere?
There has been about 7 or 8 intro songs over the last 10 years, depends what one your talking about.
@@spicy110 The one just before the current :)
Think I will be keeping my Honda goldwing dct.
Hardly a comparable machine but ok haha I do need to get my butt on a goldwing as some point, only tried the bmw k1600GT so far of the massive bikes.
@@spicy110 it's the best bike I've ever owned.
Has no one got a mate to follow them with a trailer or in a van to see how far you can go, and then haul it back or to a charge point. Like really just push it till it dies. Oh and the three dislikes are from the big oil/coal corps. Hiss n boo and all that.
If you can store it, can you record a huge long ride like that, slap some calm music to it and give us a time lapse/superspeed thing?
Sadly not, I don't have any mates with cars and trailers, however I do know it limits you to 30mph are some point and then just seem to keep going and going, clearly designed to get you home. Sadly also I can't do any suggestions as the bike went back 2 days ago.
Spicy110 getting 110m range. Coincidence? I think not... Illuminate confirmed
As battery technology and motor effectively improves, hopefully production volume will help to bring manufacturing cost down 👍.
If I live that long, even this “old fart” will want one in the garage 😉! Will it ever be enough to make me sell my SuperMoto bike ?…….NOPE ! I’m addicted to the sound 🤪.
Pretty bad-ass range, totally enough for 75% of riding I'd say, especially if you commute. Everybody in the US takes this position like they're commuting 100 miles each way every day but for 99% of peoples' commutes it is easily enough range. Though I think in the US less people use bikes for commuting than people use for weekend pleasure, so maybe not as workable here, but EV bikes with this much range are definitely feasible for a lot of people. No replacement for ICE, and I'll hold onto it as long as possible, but people get ridiculous about their range requirements whenever you bring up EV's lol.
you also have biggest distances to cover, it only take 13hrs to drive the length of the UK.
@@spicy110 We do have long distances to cover, no doubt, but the average commute country-wide is 16mi to work. Yet when you bring up EV's everybody acts like they got a 50 mile each way commute, lol. Love me some ICE, but there's no doubt IMO that EV's (both bikes and cars) will work the for the vast majority of people - especially those who view them as appliances, and are not very interested in them.
No contest as far as energica is concerned. Energica has far superior specs. The latest enegica Experia adventure tourer does 420 km per charge 👀. That's 260 miles and has a 40 minute fast charge time. Zero is now a dinosaur.
You posted almost an identical comment on the other zero videos, what are you up to? I will say the same thing I said to the last one. The Energica is likely to be 10k+ more than this bike, that is relevant.
@@spicy110 That's called " consistency of opinion " . Yes, Zero has lousy customer service and won't sell major parts for their bikes to customers? If you have a problem with that take it up with Zero.
11:27 I prefer Goose time 😎
Just got myself a CBF125 for £650 in perfect condition just a few scratches here and there and a little rust on the exhaust cover
How much does it cost to fully charge?
About £3.60 for power that is at 30p per KW, £1.00 connection fee so £4.60ish from a fast public charger. At home it is much less but depends on your tariff.
Hey man, I was wondering what would happen if you turned off the regen when riding motorways at 70mph for prolonged periods of time. Could you coast for longer at 70mph and drain the battery less? Would it literally be like turning off engine breaking to sustain higher speeds with ease and save electricty.
I've never riden one so I wouldn't know. Also I liked your moth and night life videos.
Stay safe take care Spicy
Love Kai
You can't just coast along at 70mph (or any speed) on flat ground, you still have air resistance slowing you down so you need some energy to maintain the speed. If there's any power going to the motor then the amount of regen doesn't matter
Well its a good thing I asked Spicy who actually makes videos.
Maybe coast was the wrong word and should be the operatable word, what I mean is having more travel from using the same amount of energy by having less resistance from regen. Which would add to a formula that may offset other combined resistances for a smaller net loss of energy conservation whilst communiting at motorway speeds.
This is because momentum is conserved and the amount of energy you would use to maintain 70mph wouldn't be as much as what you would use when building up to that speed. Any resistance from regen at the hubs would reduce the conservation of momentum more than air resistance alone.
Putting into account the size of the bike, the displacment of air, the bikes torque and acceleration capabilities.
I believe that turning off any regen on a motorway commute would help conserve momentum by having less resistance. But I was trying to say it in a friendly way to Spicy. Mainly as he makes videos and this could be some good content.
What do you think Kieran, actually just to stop you there pal. I've read what you think and didn't see much merrit or value in it. Maybe I should suggest an experiment for you. Get push bike hold onto a bus and see how much energy you can conserve. Please remember not to wear safety gear and slam into a wall. Count the broken bones from the impact and see how much air resistance helped you to reduce the damage you sustained.
Please record this and post it to a media distrubution company, I would suggest You've Been Framed. Cash reward... Eh eh eh. Think of all the things you could buy that would benefit you more than posting a responce to my message when it was aimed at Spicy. Whos opinion I actually respect, not yours.
I still believe my comment promotes a concept or idea for content. Yours is a half baked pile of dog vomit wrapped up in the sh*t stain duvet called your contribution on my comment to Spicy.
Ahem... ... I love the content Spicy. I'm sorry for this message I just get sick of all the Trolls lurking on your comments giving others a hard time.
Keep up the good work man
Kai
@@gotabadassoverhere Just because I don't make good videos doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about. I have an electric motorcycle and know a fair bit about them. When power is being applied to the motor, which it would be to maintain any speed unless you're going downhill (actually coasting), regen makes absolutely no difference. It doesn't add any drag to the motor unless the throttle is at 0%. It's pretty simple, so I would suggest instead of insulting me for just answering your question and trying to educate you you instead fuck off and educate yourself.
Well, firstly regen is always on when engaged in the settings which adds resistance. For example when you use 50% throttle and reduce it to 25%. Do you feel the regen emulate engine breaking once you've reduced the throttle. Going from 50% to 25% throttle is still classed as power on so there shouldn't be any engine breaking effects. If there are then the regen is on all the time, which adds resistance.
On a motorway with regen off, you could ride up to 73mph and coast down to 60mph, still ride safe and do this over and over again. If it takes 5 seconds to deaccelrate to 60mph from 73mph. That means every 10 seconds you only need to use less than 5 seconds throttle. Add this up to hours and it means every 1 hour you'll only use 30 mins of juice with constent motorway riding.
Which saves energy more than pinning the throttle to maintain 70mph. Reducing drag via diasbling the regen which increases coasting and reduces the time it takes to slow down. With an implemented riding method of going up to 70mph and coasting to 60mph before adding throttle saves juice. And would also be seen as a safe increment of 10mph applied slowly when correct crusing distances are appied in the slow lane of a motorway.
But yeah run your mouth and call me stupid, when you butted in on a message that wasn't addressing you.
Please put my previous experiment mentioned in my last comment into consideration and possible implementation. Remeber to film it.
Kai
@@gotabadassoverhere Like I said, educate yourself. Regen is only active when the throttle is at 0%, it physically can't be active when power is being applied to the motor (when the throttle is greater than 0%). If I go from 50% throttle to 25% throttle I will slow down at the exact same rate whether regen is set to 100% or 0%, the only time it would affect how quickly I slowed is if I closed the throttle completely to 0%.
Do you ever think the day will come in your lifetime where running Divi or Derek will cost more than buying and running an electric?
At the point they are much cheaper those bikes will be long gone, so no. It's going to be a while before prices drop that much. I discuss this more over the coming videos. Many of them haha all on patron atm be on TH-cam in due course
I wish Zero would add a speaker on their bikes that can play engine/exhaust sounds if the rider wants it!
Do you miss changing gears on this 'thing'?
I talk about that in later videos, they are on patron atm will be on yt in due course
@@spicy110 Thanks spicy.
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110 Miles is good. Not so much more than my XSR 900.
Defo useable 👍
@@spicy110 if the price is going down to around 15k€. This could definitely be something I would consider.
But I will get a EV this Autumn so there is already an affinity.
If Tesla made a motorbike, the acceleration would most likely be ridiculous, also aren't there some rules on how quickly things can accelerate to be road legal?
nope, no limits on that.
@The Moustache Man True and to date, there is no law against acceleration!
Good demonstration of why the ancient technology of electric vehicles is only slightly less s***e than it was when Edward VII was on the throne.
There is increasing interest in REALISTIC solutions such as hydrogen or synthetic fuel powered vehicles.
The scale, cost and practicality alone of the infrastructure required for electric vehicles, disregarding their inherent flaws re range, charging time etc makes the whole idea a massive white elephant.
The majority of commuters would find even a 7.2 Zero adequate for their daily ride, and charging time or the ease of charging in public only matters if you can't charge at home or work. Electric motorcycles are not ideal for everyone but they're good enough for more people than you realise.
er, are you sure you didn't get electricity and hydrogen mixed up there?
@@HomoKieran Vast numbers can't charge for anything other than urban journeys as only a miniscule amount of the necessary infrastructure is in place.
A solution that matches, works with or betters the internal combustion engine is what's needed not a slightly improved version of a failed old idea that can at best only ever be a partial urban solution for some.
@@caspianprince Positive.
monck55, with all due respect to someone spouting nonsense as if it were accepted fact...
- hydrogen is more realistic...how? the electrolysis you need to carry out to obtain the hydrogen uses more electricity than a battery EV would have used. how is more inefficiency more realistic? answer: it is not.
- the infrastructure required for battery ev adoption across the entire fleet of vehicles is going to be built anyway in order to transition the grid away from fossil fuels. having a giant energy storage in the form of your car in the driveway actually helps that process massively, as it provides a buffer for intermittent renewables.
- if you paid attention to anyone who owns and operates one, the range and charging time issues are already recognised as red herrings. these are problems that simply don't exist for the vast majority of use cases.
- what about the inherent flaws with petrol? necessitates heavily subsidised, massively polluting infrastructure for processing and distribution, and unlike wind energy, every so often you gotta fight a war or two to maintain supply lines. plus it gives children asthma, and kills adults with heart and lung disease. this is what you're defending?
i have made SO much money in the stock market betting against your perspective. and it warms my heart that, whether you like it or not, this change is happening, and all you'll be able to do is continue to grow older shouting at that cloud.
Real world test is to take this on a proper highway at 60-70 mph as we have here in U.S with side and top cases or with pillion. Bet you wouldn't get more than 40 miles range. Greenie nut jobs just trying to push an agenda with something absurdly expensive that is not even close to a near equivalent replacement for proven IC engine tech. I can easily ride my VStrom 1000 for 200 miles per tankful without any range anxiety regardless of most riding conditions and still have > 30 mile reserve.. This weekend I rode over 350 miles averaging over 50 mpg and driving with purpose. My point is at achievable 50 mpg for a liter displacement bike and even more for smaller displacement bikes why would anyone want this electric POS?
Because if we are honest, most people aren't riding hundreds of miles, every day..... or even most days. I have an '18 model, most days, im tired if riding, way before the bike is even close to dead. 13KWH version S model.
Zero motorcycle are a joke and a major ripoff. U are better off with an affordable chinese brand. I would never buy those zero great POS! This is the reason why zero will disappear as a company and go bankrupt. No wonder they are called zero, as in you get zero value! Stay away from this electric crap!💩💩💩💩
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Another really great video. I’m almost a convert to electric bikes - would be good for commuting to and from work
Yes they are getting really good but they still have some hurdles to get over. 🙂
Fantastic👍
KESHIYENA!!!!!!!