I like Chemical. Not their traditional style to be sure but for me it hits hard in terms of emotion rather than sound. I'm a fan of TDWP in any era really. Some of their works I like more than others but I think they always deliver quality.
@@TheMetaldudeX 100%, if he did he wouldn't pick that one, the album had some brilliant moments and tbh 'Chemical' is pretty good too. And if he did and still picked it, it's deliberately choosing it to prove a point :)
They've been awesome for more than a decade now, each album sounds very different from the other. Lots of cool arrangements, production and great songwriting ideas. Chemical is a great and emotional song which sounds even better live. TDWP is basically the only scene band that was powerful enough to grow out of this genre and become its own thing. So yeah, they've been great for more than a decade now, it's not a sudden change, but constant growth.
Chemical is the only song on that entire album that is “radio friendly” The Thread is one of the heaviest songs they’ve ever made and it’s on the same album, so I don’t get how you thought they were “lost.” Lol
@@megshush I feel like Fynn is usually a bit more on top of things than that. It’s a shame if he really hasn’t listened to any other song from The Act 😢
All I gotta say is these dudes go off the fucking rails live. Or at least when I saw them, easily one of my favorite bands live. I'm glad JesusFreak942 from xbox live showed me them.
Corner Stone videos from the early 2000's are so legit. The Christian metal/metalcore scene of the early 2000's is definitely under appreciated. We all know why.
@@mistamiagy7903 "Christ Core" I'd say Finn is much kinder to the Solid State bands and other Christian bands than any other 'Metal/Alternative' persona on TH-cam and he still has no shame making fun of Christian music. The arguments that believing in a certain religion doesn't correlate to heavy music etc... We just don't really care about the unfair criticism because no one is going to defend middle class white kids from the midwest.
Lmao christcore hate from hardcore bros is the funniest shit ever... especially when half of them had a Krishnacore phase in the 90s 🤣🤣 I've legit seen people try to rationalize that STRONGARM, despite the guy admitting the music was good, said that because they were christian their music CAN'T BE HARDCORE...just LOL. as if the "spirit-filled hardcore" movement they came from (which Krishnacore helped spawn btw) was not a legitimate part of the scene..so embarrassing, it's always the same types too who think LOS CRUDOS was the most legit 90s hardcore band lmao lmao
@@kage6613 So when I was in high school (2000-2004) my friends and myself discovered all of the 90's hardcore stuff. The more I read about these groups and people the more I was pulled to metal. I agree. Listening to people say 'Spaghetti Monster' bands and ripping on a religious group for their beliefs then hop over to Krishnacore was hilarious. As much as I hate these wimpy skinny sububrban white kids with dumb tattoos and their hippie vegan lifestyle I love the fact that Firestorm by Earth Crisis has these lyrics: Street by street. Block by block. Taking it all back The youth's immersed in poison--turn the tide Counterattack. Violence against violence, let the roundups begin A firestorm to purify the bane that society drowns in. No Mercy, no exceptions, a declaration of total war The innocents' defense is the reason it's waged for A bunch of white hippie vegans say to round up the drug dealers use violence to purify society. That's amazing. If that shit happened today a bunch of techy 'hardcore' adjacent youtubers would be saying that there's a link between vegan krishna hardcore and white supremacy haha. Earth Crisis new album with a Rebel flag.. that's funny. Opening for Kid Rock? I'm sold.
One of my band's favorite shows was playing with the drummer, Giuseppe, and his first bigger band Once Nothing doing a reunion show. Basically he did Once Nothing, then Haste the Day, took a couple year break then got the call for Prada. He's still so active in the Pittsburgh scene, he supports the local bands so much and he's seriously an amazing, awesome person. We did a stick swap after our sets and he listened to my band's EP driving back from the studio after the sessions for this track and gave us a ton of genuine, nice feedback. We still talk occasionally and he's such an amazing guy. And seriously, he is a spectacle live, dude is like watching a human masterclass, it's ridiculous. I got into Prada a couple months before that with ZII and I've loved it ever since. So as far as my experience goes, they're seriously a band of awesome, cool dudes and this new track rocks.
I've shot some footage of Once Nothing with Giuseppe on drums but not sure I ever uploaded it. I've got hundreds of unedited hours I'll likely never get to. My camera was so janky I laugh at the footage. Maybe, like vinyl records and 8 bit retro games, low rez video will make a comeback.
I know Finn isn't a fan of "albums" so much as singles but Chemical was the slow song on The Act and there were other songs on that album that were heavy as hell just not traditional Rise core. That being said, I do think Zombie II and the two newest songs are some of the best stuff they have released since Dead Throne.
@@jaredwilkins4938 the entire album is so good, I can't name one song I don't 100% enjoy. honestly, I think The Act is actually my favorite prada album
also I think Chemical is a really solid song. yeah, it's softer, literally follows one chord progression for the entirety of the song, but it's well done and catchy. it could easily translate into a good pop song
@@RemusHerciu Bands like Motionless in White and Ice Nine Kills show that you can have softer songs and still make fans happy. Just moderate by having soft song like Chemical offset with heavier stuff like what's on ZII. Can't completely alienate the fans that want something more than a good pop song.
@@shakefl that's exactly what they meant tho. There were PLENTY of heavy songs on The Act. Spiderhead, The Thread, Switchblade. And various songs that may not have been heavy the entire time, but had lots of heavy moments throughout. The Act was great
I remember watching there music video for Hey John Whats Your Name Again, and being an instant fan. I'm glad to see them still at it. Gotta say listening to the vocals reminds me why I got into Knocked Loose, the same higher pitched screaming and can see why it may be polarizing, but its part of who they are and makes em unique for me at least.
Jeremy looks like the sketchy dude at the backroad gas station who turns out to have a heart of gold, helps you swap your car battery out, and gives you great life advice.
I actually really like Chemical even if it does deviate from their original sound. Zombie EP is still one of the most brutal sounding metalcore albums I’ve ever heard. ZII is good, but I don’t get the same “Zombie tearing people to shreds” feeling from it.
My favorite song is sacrifice (I think its on the same album) . I don't know why, but this song gets me every time. The chorus has this great flow and I get carried away. (I hope my grammar is not too weird)
I enjoy the irony of an anti hair loss company wanting to advertise on the channel of a man with no hair. I also appreciate the hustle of taking that sponsorship, keep getting those bags!
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA Well shoot, I learned something new today! Guess I always assumed you at least shaved it bald because of the super tight side look around the ears. My bad!
They didnt went "soft" or alt rock. You just played a clip from "Chemical" which is one of their softer songs. You've got song like "The Thread" on the same album. Its like saying Archietcts went soft with "Heartburn". TDWP never went soft dude.
I know you had mentioned before that you lived in Cleveland for a while. When you saw TDWP at Warped Tour 09, was it at tower city amphitheater? Because I was there for my first warped tour and that was one of the best live performances I’ve ever seen. The crowd was massive and so high energy for them.
Just in case anyone is curious (as I was): They haven't promoted themselves as Christian in "a looong time. Most of us aren't Christians." I don't think there's anything wrong with being Christian, I just kind of always wonder when the Christian bands eventually drop it, as it seems most of them do at some point. I wonder what that's all about. I'm sure the Christian identity in the beginning is genuine. They're from like fucking western Ohio, I'm sure they all met at youth group or whatever. But damn near every Christian band eventually goes "nah, that's really not us anymore." Underoath, Devil Wears Prada, August Burns Red, Oh Sleeper, Memphis May Fire, and plenty of other myspace-era Christian metalcore bands eventually said they're not Christian, or at least don't label themselves as such anymore, because some of the band members are and some aren't. Even the lead singer of MxPx eventually said he's not Christian anymore, and MxPx is the first thing I think of when I think of "Christian scene band." Then you just have Norma Jean and P.O.D. still just wearing it proudly, which again, I also respect. Do whatever you feel is right.
If you dig a bit deeper, especially with how outward Underoath has been, you realise that these guys grow up and experience some harsh realities of what the church world delivers, especially if the church doesn't deliver in a way its been promoted to whilst growing up in it.
@@paul_romero_ I beg to differ that statement. Early days they cashed in hard and had interviews about their faith alignment. It was one of the things that drew me in to their deal early on.
@@bradrathbone9078 No, sir. Both of those bands have members that are outspoken about their faith but neither band has ever labeled themselves as Christian. JB talks about it on one of their interviews. About how they just got thrown into the Christian category. Same with Underoath but they shamelessly rode that horse, hard and fast lol
I remember seeing TDWP when they were on tour with ADTR back in 2013 at San Jose. Their audio took a dump. All stage volume died. All you could hear in the audience was acoustic drums and only if you were front stage. All audio completely and totally died mid-song. You know what they did? Fuck it. They kept going. Headbanging kept going, the breakdown still slapped, the crowd still went nuts. The show must go on and the song continued to the very end. Fucking mad respect in the face of technical difficulties, they kept going.
I've been pleasantly surprised at their return to form as well. Always happy for musicians to be making the music they wanna make, but I know what I wanna hear!
I remember seeing TDWP for my 18th and they only had Dear Love and Plagues out at that time. Best live show I have ever been too, chaotic, mosh on the stage stepping on guitar foot pedals next to Mike. It was absolutely insane! I have loved the band and everything they have done since then!
One of the best bands to come out of the early Rise records scene. They’ve always seemed to do something nice, fresh, and consistent with their music. Forever one of my favorite bands because of their skill and relentless work.
Holy shit. I’ve been looking for this first video for years! I used to watch this live show everyday when I was 15-16. Thought it was the sickest thing ever as a kid
Damn. Seriously brings me back. Caught them at the 2009 warped tour in Massachusetts. It was pouring rain their whole set but they made it 💯 worth while.
IMO, Zombie EP was the best work they've ever done, followed by ZII. With Roots third. Didn't mind The Act album actually but could have been better. I think TWDP is reliable for decent tunes, not always the best, but reliable.
Don't forget first wave risecore when they were cashing in on emo/screamo before the metalcore trend! Clarity Process, A Fall Farewell, Five Minute Ride, Still Life Projector, Orange Island, Fear Before the March of Flames, Everyday Victory, Crosstide, Small Towns Burn A Little Slower, Coretta Scott, Ever We Fall...lots of these bands had great pop hooks and helped shaped the modern scene (for one example, Kris Crummett of Clarity Process is now a fairly big-name scene producer, being DGD's go-to). I'd much rather the variety of risecore (blemishes and all) than the safe bet of fueledbyramencore personally. It starts getting super repetitive towards the late 00s/early 10s with all the chugga crabcore clones, but in the mid 2000s that shit was popping. Plus rise signed all those hardcore-core bands like Stray, American Me, and Legend, deathcore stuff like The Red Shore, A Different Breed of Killer, Those Who Lie Beneath, At the Throne of Judgment, in addition to a solid mix of (pseudo)-christcore and wanky doodle prog/mathcore. Idk I know it's personal taste but I know I'm picking the roster with Attack Attack!and Drop Dead, Gorgeous lol..though FBR having releases from Paramore and The Academy Is... do make it a pretty tough choice personally (not to mention Jimmy Eat World putting FBR on the map back in '98, setting the mainstreamo boom into motion, to be later boosted by FOB/Pete Wentz, the rest being history...) idk now I think I'm torn LOL
I saw TDWP live in New Zealand in 2010 they opened for Parkway Drive and The Ghost Inside. Unfortunately TDWP had flight problems the day of so their show suffered because of it. Over all it wasn't a bad performance just could tell the only arrived at the venue 10 or so minutes before hand. Luckily The Ghost Inside and Parkway Drive arrived on time and me and my mate met both bands briefly. They put on an amazing show. I slept in a shower/ toilet of some randoms hotel room and hitch hiked 400km home in the morning.
Parkway Drive always deliver when it comes to bringing quality bands to Australia. Ive seen them 4 times (even played in a band and opened for them in 2005 (? a blur)... Memphis May Fire, Architechs, August Burns Red... and the first time i saw them in 2003 they opened for Shadows Fall and As I Lay Dying...
I knew two of the guys from DWP. I was in a band called Echelon at the time, and they would come and see us play. And then they decided to start doing what they do and I may have the tape they made as a goof for us during a snowstorm that was recorded on a hand held tape recorder and it was hilarious there was stuff they were making up off the cuff I laughed my butt off when they are screaming “it’s snowing outside it’s snowing outside, I hope we don’t have to eat wood” they are hilarious guys.
Only thing I'll disagree on is Chemical. Name ONE other metalcore band that could write and play that song as well as they do. Name a ROCK bank that could write and play a song like that. The lyrics are beautiful, sincere, meaninful, connect with a lot of people. I think sometimes you're a bit too critical of heavy bands playing softer music. You just hear it being soft and disregard, you don't actually give it the time. You also mention that they went soft when Chemical was one of maybe 3 softer songs on that album. The rest were heavy as hell and definitely a gateway into Z2. Listen to "The Thread" on the same album as chemical and try to say TDWP went soft rock.
10:15 of course people would bitch about it. The bands are in no win situations most of the time. They stay the same then people complain (most times… a lot of fans just want the same) about them being one note and boring. They change and do something different because it’s what they want and makes them happy, then they get slammed for doing that and not just doing what the fans want out of them. I would rather a band create what makes them happy, than to get burnt out doing the same thing over and over for the fans, become unhappy, and just quit.
Chemical is the ONLY song on their 2019 record that sounds like that btw, the rest of the record is still very heavy. It’s definitely different than their old stuff but not as bland as chemical
I have been looking for someone who has compile the best/worst nu metal bounce riffs that you hate to love. Finn I think you are the only person that could do this justice. Please cover this on this channel.
trade scene haircuts for anything and you are in the win. That shit was horrendous. Anything that brought one R.Radke to the music should burned by flammenwerfer and ash scattered never to be found.
I saw them in 09 in GA during a rainstorm and they killed it. I mean ADTR came out after them and didn't have to do much crowd work because they were the last two bands to play and TDWP brought the energy.
My relatively normie wife loved TDWP when we saw them with Issues a few years ago, they just have that kind of magnetic power. I've seen them 6 times and they've rocked the house each time.
Been a fan of TDWP since Plaques. Missing that old Metalcore formula that i knew and love back in the day. And that got me thinking: if you do a mid to late '00 style of Metalcore, is that consider a revival? 1 genre has changed for over the years, but at the same time, its the same genre, rt?
If they like the Chemical stuff, what they need to do is combine that with their classic sound. Dynamics are the most under appreciated aspect of music. They're clearly hipsters at heart, which is a good thing if you're a musician. That's why they were able to create their unique sound pulling from untraditional and new inspirations in the first place. Look at Louder Than Thunder on Roots Above, in isolation who cares about that song, but in the context of a metalcore album, it bangs! Rock bands and listeners need to stop caring about genres and start caring about not being boring. TDWP is lucky enough to be popular for having a certain "voice". Instead of learning how to speak again, saying something new and different in their voice is the answer.
I dont really like them anymore but growing up near Dayton, Ohio when TDWP started out was a pretty cool moment for everyone in the scene at the time. Can't say how much of an impact they had across the whole scene but for people around Dayton, they made a huge impact
I had the honor of playing a show with then when they first signed to rise. And I was the only person that didn't get super into them at first. But I prob honestly enjoy tdwp post dead throne the best. Love that they just do what they want
When I heard Chemical, like you, I figured their more hardcore sound had run its course. I didn't hate the song, I'm pretty sure it might even be on my playlist, but I was NOT expecting this comeback!!! I remember them from HTML rulez d00d and shit like that so I'm impressed they can still sound like that after all these years and have it be fresh.
Warped Tour 2009!!!! Was my first warped and TDWP was the first band I saw that day. They are essential in my story with heavy music. A7x got me into rock and TDWP got me into heavier stuff
Same thing happened to me Finn. Was not a TDWP fan at all, but saw them on Warped Tour in like 2011 right after Zombie EP came out and they blew my mind. Was instantly a fan after seeing them live for the first time.
I really like Chemical and Sour Breath, but a whole album like that is tedious. I would like to see them combine the styles in their future albums, since I think they do both extremely well, and it goes back into breaking things up to avoid the "if everything is heavy, nothing is heavy." They are fantastic live and I hope they keep it up for many years to come.
always love your analysis finn! i think mikes always been a good vocalist, but as they've "matured" i think his voice fits with the music a lot better. you can hear that on the transit blues blues album for sure. the first zombie ep, and then dead throne was when they really came onto my radar fully (although i did buy the previous album before those, but wasnt really for me) and i've enjoyed them ever since!
Massive Underoath fan from like... 2005... Hallelujah is the best song they have ever made... its almost perfect. It is the best balance of Old School Underoath and new energy. The Album is unreal
I think I was a out 16 or 17 at the time and TDWP was the opener for this show I went to and they completely stole the entire show. So much energy, they played exceptionally well. I met them at the merch table between bands and they were just so happy to be on tour and playing music. I've gone to see them every single time they come to my city and every time it is an amazing performance, glad to see they're making higher energy music again.
You should do a vid on motionless in white. They're star power has only been increasing and they haven't dropped their metlacore roots for butt rock like a lot of these bands have just to get on the radio. Voices is proof of that. Probably their most commercially accessible song and it's a goth boy's wet dream for song and vid.
"Sacrifice" was also good, but I think "Watchtower" is better. Speaking of Attack Attack!, they are back and they are still active and still have that sorta not-to-serious scene vibe
TDWP were so awesome up until they went all serious. I loved their shows in HS (graduated in '11). This to me is an older, more serious version of their old stuff. Yellowcard was a band that managed to pull that off. They fell of a cliff after Paper Walls in '07 or '08 (underrated album) because a lot of people felt they took a little too much edge off and strayed too far from their Ocean Avenue sound. Then they released The Sound of You and Me in '12 and it had some really good songs that had that OA feel to it. Then the next year they dropped Southern Air which is OA ten years later. College me felt that album like middle school me felt OA. Too band LP3 left the band afterward. He's up their with Travis Barker in terms of ability and execution. He's one of my biggest influence in my style as a drummer.
Have you listened to the whole The Act album? Chemical is the only song that kind of goes the way of radio sound, which I personally don't like either. But there's a lot of good songs in there: Lines of Your Hands, Numb, Please Say No, Diamond Lost, The Thread... I wouldn't say they ever switched to radio music.
I'm a big DWearsP fanboy so take this with a grain of salt. I don't think it's fair to base their work over the last 5-6 years just on the song Chemical. Yes, your point is true that they are completely different changed, but they're still heavy. If you listen to the rest of that album, it's solid with some heaviness. They're releases lately are still super exciting. I'm glad they're still making music and still great.
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I like Chemical. Not their traditional style to be sure but for me it hits hard in terms of emotion rather than sound. I'm a fan of TDWP in any era really. Some of their works I like more than others but I think they always deliver quality.
It’s kind of a cherry picked song. I doubt he even listened to the album because the act still had some heavier stuff on still.
Chemical is a great radio rock song! Really in my opinion, TDWP have been on a roll since 2016.
They kinda turned into Thrice on that album but I actually loved it.
@@jessearmstrong-kooy2930 my two most favorite bands.
@@TheMetaldudeX 100%, if he did he wouldn't pick that one, the album had some brilliant moments and tbh 'Chemical' is pretty good too. And if he did and still picked it, it's deliberately choosing it to prove a point :)
They've been awesome for more than a decade now, each album sounds very different from the other. Lots of cool arrangements, production and great songwriting ideas. Chemical is a great and emotional song which sounds even better live. TDWP is basically the only scene band that was powerful enough to grow out of this genre and become its own thing. So yeah, they've been great for more than a decade now, it's not a sudden change, but constant growth.
Heyyyy I def did vocals over your Watch Dogs submission haha
@@bryce_garland small world!
Chemical is the only song on that entire album that is “radio friendly”
The Thread is one of the heaviest songs they’ve ever made and it’s on the same album, so I don’t get how you thought they were “lost.” Lol
He didn’t listen to the whole album. Just based his opinion off of the single.
@@megshush I feel like Fynn is usually a bit more on top of things than that. It’s a shame if he really hasn’t listened to any other song from The Act 😢
@@paul_romero_ only when he cares enough to, which doesn't seem to be a lot lol
@@brendangibson8200 I see he band wagoned onto the new TDWP single, in the comments of their video 😢
@Paul Romero yeah exactly! I totally agree wit u
All I gotta say is these dudes go off the fucking rails live. Or at least when I saw them, easily one of my favorite bands live. I'm glad JesusFreak942 from xbox live showed me them.
That Al last sentence though lmao
They are indeed amazing live
Corner Stone videos from the early 2000's are so legit. The Christian metal/metalcore scene of the early 2000's is definitely under appreciated. We all know why.
I don't know why.
I also don’t know why
@@mistamiagy7903 "Christ Core" I'd say Finn is much kinder to the Solid State bands and other Christian bands than any other 'Metal/Alternative' persona on TH-cam and he still has no shame making fun of Christian music. The arguments that believing in a certain religion doesn't correlate to heavy music etc... We just don't really care about the unfair criticism because no one is going to defend middle class white kids from the midwest.
Lmao christcore hate from hardcore bros is the funniest shit ever... especially when half of them had a Krishnacore phase in the 90s 🤣🤣 I've legit seen people try to rationalize that STRONGARM, despite the guy admitting the music was good, said that because they were christian their music CAN'T BE HARDCORE...just LOL. as if the "spirit-filled hardcore" movement they came from (which Krishnacore helped spawn btw) was not a legitimate part of the scene..so embarrassing, it's always the same types too who think LOS CRUDOS was the most legit 90s hardcore band lmao lmao
@@kage6613 So when I was in high school (2000-2004) my friends and myself discovered all of the 90's hardcore stuff. The more I read about these groups and people the more I was pulled to metal.
I agree. Listening to people say 'Spaghetti Monster' bands and ripping on a religious group for their beliefs then hop over to Krishnacore was hilarious.
As much as I hate these wimpy skinny sububrban white kids with dumb tattoos and their hippie vegan lifestyle I love the fact that Firestorm by Earth Crisis has these lyrics:
Street by street. Block by block. Taking it all back
The youth's immersed in poison--turn the tide
Counterattack. Violence against violence, let the roundups begin
A firestorm to purify the bane that society drowns in. No
Mercy, no exceptions, a declaration of total war
The innocents' defense is the reason it's waged for
A bunch of white hippie vegans say to round up the drug dealers use violence to purify society.
That's amazing. If that shit happened today a bunch of techy 'hardcore' adjacent youtubers would be saying that there's a link between vegan krishna hardcore and white supremacy haha.
Earth Crisis new album with a Rebel flag.. that's funny. Opening for Kid Rock? I'm sold.
One of my band's favorite shows was playing with the drummer, Giuseppe, and his first bigger band Once Nothing doing a reunion show. Basically he did Once Nothing, then Haste the Day, took a couple year break then got the call for Prada. He's still so active in the Pittsburgh scene, he supports the local bands so much and he's seriously an amazing, awesome person. We did a stick swap after our sets and he listened to my band's EP driving back from the studio after the sessions for this track and gave us a ton of genuine, nice feedback. We still talk occasionally and he's such an amazing guy. And seriously, he is a spectacle live, dude is like watching a human masterclass, it's ridiculous. I got into Prada a couple months before that with ZII and I've loved it ever since. So as far as my experience goes, they're seriously a band of awesome, cool dudes and this new track rocks.
I've shot some footage of Once Nothing with Giuseppe on drums but not sure I ever uploaded it. I've got hundreds of unedited hours I'll likely never get to. My camera was so janky I laugh at the footage. Maybe, like vinyl records and 8 bit retro games, low rez video will make a comeback.
Guiseppe is such a fucking fantastic person
I know Finn isn't a fan of "albums" so much as singles but Chemical was the slow song on The Act and there were other songs on that album that were heavy as hell just not traditional Rise core. That being said, I do think Zombie II and the two newest songs are some of the best stuff they have released since Dead Throne.
Yes, for example switchblade is really heavy but kind of in an unusual way
Thank you, I wish he would've listened to "the thread" from that album
Basing himself of off Singles literally tells you nothing about the content of the album
I like when band have dynamics like having some slow ballads in a live set with the heavy stuff is cool I think.
Exactly
10:15 "What if we don't change? What if we stay the same?"
that instantly started playing in my head
The Thread is such a banger. I feel like if Finn had heard that song, he wouldn't have been so harsh about Chemical
@@jaredwilkins4938 the entire album is so good, I can't name one song I don't 100% enjoy. honestly, I think The Act is actually my favorite prada album
also I think Chemical is a really solid song. yeah, it's softer, literally follows one chord progression for the entirety of the song, but it's well done and catchy. it could easily translate into a good pop song
@@RemusHerciu Bands like Motionless in White and Ice Nine Kills show that you can have softer songs and still make fans happy. Just moderate by having soft song like Chemical offset with heavier stuff like what's on ZII. Can't completely alienate the fans that want something more than a good pop song.
@@shakefl that's exactly what they meant tho. There were PLENTY of heavy songs on The Act. Spiderhead, The Thread, Switchblade. And various songs that may not have been heavy the entire time, but had lots of heavy moments throughout. The Act was great
All of their albums are SO. GOOD. Transit blues and 8:18 are very underrated.
I remember watching there music video for Hey John Whats Your Name Again, and being an instant fan. I'm glad to see them still at it. Gotta say listening to the vocals reminds me why I got into Knocked Loose, the same higher pitched screaming and can see why it may be polarizing, but its part of who they are and makes em unique for me at least.
Jeremy looks like the sketchy dude at the backroad gas station who turns out to have a heart of gold, helps you swap your car battery out, and gives you great life advice.
I actually really like Chemical even if it does deviate from their original sound. Zombie EP is still one of the most brutal sounding metalcore albums I’ve ever heard. ZII is good, but I don’t get the same “Zombie tearing people to shreds” feeling from it.
My favorite song is sacrifice (I think its on the same album) . I don't know why, but this song gets me every time. The chorus has this great flow and I get carried away. (I hope my grammar is not too weird)
I enjoy the irony of an anti hair loss company wanting to advertise on the channel of a man with no hair. I also appreciate the hustle of taking that sponsorship, keep getting those bags!
I am not bald fyi
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA Well shoot, I learned something new today! Guess I always assumed you at least shaved it bald because of the super tight side look around the ears. My bad!
Definitely receding hairline! But not bald
They didnt went "soft" or alt rock. You just played a clip from "Chemical" which is one of their softer songs. You've got song like "The Thread" on the same album. Its like saying Archietcts went soft with "Heartburn". TDWP never went soft dude.
"TDWP went soft, where are the breakdowns?"
Louder Than Thunder: 👀
I know you had mentioned before that you lived in Cleveland for a while. When you saw TDWP at Warped Tour 09, was it at tower city amphitheater? Because I was there for my first warped tour and that was one of the best live performances I’ve ever seen. The crowd was massive and so high energy for them.
I went in cincinnati that year i think
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA probably just as good then, almost a hometown show for them.
Dead Throne was their peak imo. I still listen to that album.
Just in case anyone is curious (as I was): They haven't promoted themselves as Christian in "a looong time. Most of us aren't Christians." I don't think there's anything wrong with being Christian, I just kind of always wonder when the Christian bands eventually drop it, as it seems most of them do at some point.
I wonder what that's all about. I'm sure the Christian identity in the beginning is genuine. They're from like fucking western Ohio, I'm sure they all met at youth group or whatever. But damn near every Christian band eventually goes "nah, that's really not us anymore." Underoath, Devil Wears Prada, August Burns Red, Oh Sleeper, Memphis May Fire, and plenty of other myspace-era Christian metalcore bands eventually said they're not Christian, or at least don't label themselves as such anymore, because some of the band members are and some aren't. Even the lead singer of MxPx eventually said he's not Christian anymore, and MxPx is the first thing I think of when I think of "Christian scene band."
Then you just have Norma Jean and P.O.D. still just wearing it proudly, which again, I also respect. Do whatever you feel is right.
If you dig a bit deeper, especially with how outward Underoath has been, you realise that these guys grow up and experience some harsh realities of what the church world delivers, especially if the church doesn't deliver in a way its been promoted to whilst growing up in it.
Man, Memphis may fire and Oh sleeper still playing in Christian fests. This is fact. And their members have faith, they not go away on Christian rock
Memphis May Fire and August Burns Red have never labeled themselves as Christian bands.
@@paul_romero_ I beg to differ that statement. Early days they cashed in hard and had interviews about their faith alignment. It was one of the things that drew me in to their deal early on.
@@bradrathbone9078 No, sir.
Both of those bands have members that are outspoken about their faith but neither band has ever labeled themselves as Christian.
JB talks about it on one of their interviews. About how they just got thrown into the Christian category. Same with Underoath but they shamelessly rode that horse, hard and fast lol
I remember seeing TDWP when they were on tour with ADTR back in 2013 at San Jose. Their audio took a dump. All stage volume died. All you could hear in the audience was acoustic drums and only if you were front stage. All audio completely and totally died mid-song. You know what they did? Fuck it. They kept going. Headbanging kept going, the breakdown still slapped, the crowd still went nuts. The show must go on and the song continued to the very end. Fucking mad respect in the face of technical difficulties, they kept going.
"Sacrifice" by the TWDP is easily the best song they have ever made. Watchtower is tight though...
Chemical was prolly my favorite song TDWP put out recently. Its also the only non core song by TDWP my friends will listen to haha.
I've been pleasantly surprised at their return to form as well. Always happy for musicians to be making the music they wanna make, but I know what I wanna hear!
Finn, have you seen Ed Sheeran performance with BMTH? What do you think??
I remember seeing TDWP for my 18th and they only had Dear Love and Plagues out at that time. Best live show I have ever been too, chaotic, mosh on the stage stepping on guitar foot pedals next to Mike. It was absolutely insane! I have loved the band and everything they have done since then!
One of the best bands to come out of the early Rise records scene. They’ve always seemed to do something nice, fresh, and consistent with their music. Forever one of my favorite bands because of their skill and relentless work.
Contagion is by far my favorite song by them and it only released last year. Lot's of hope their next full length will be just as good
When I was in high school my shitty metal core band opened for them. Then the next day we went to the local water park with them… lol good times
2 years later and they are still great live!
Holy shit. I’ve been looking for this first video for years! I used to watch this live show everyday when I was 15-16. Thought it was the sickest thing ever as a kid
chris ruby the original lead guitarist was a heavy riff MACHINE who honestly defined their sound. once he left the music changed pretty drastically.
Lines of your hands is one of the greatest Prada songs and i will die on that hill
It's up there for sure. That bridge gets me every single time 😭
@@brendangibson8200 Im ready for this next album. I hope its good. so far all the songs have been great and zombie II slaps
Damn. Seriously brings me back. Caught them at the 2009 warped tour in Massachusetts. It was pouring rain their whole set but they made it 💯 worth while.
Was there too!! What a sick lineup that year
TDWP has been my favorite band since '06. Going to see them for the 6th time in Nashville in April. Beartooth's headlining 🤘🤘
I think all their sounds go well in creating a catalog for a dope balanced tdwp playlist
Mike is one of those vocalists that really didn't show his range until halfway into their career. Love his vocals
I think The Act is one of the best albums of the last 4-5 years. Zombie II is also awesome.
IMO, Zombie EP was the best work they've ever done, followed by ZII. With Roots third.
Didn't mind The Act album actually but could have been better. I think TWDP is reliable for decent tunes, not always the best, but reliable.
The original Devil Wears Prada lineup was the best
Speaking of Attack!Attack!, they are back and they are still active and still have that sorta not-to-serious scene vibe
9:53 "It's like watching Miles Davis give up the trumpet".
Love to see Prada getting praise
Don't forget first wave risecore when they were cashing in on emo/screamo before the metalcore trend! Clarity Process, A Fall Farewell, Five Minute Ride, Still Life Projector, Orange Island, Fear Before the March of Flames, Everyday Victory, Crosstide, Small Towns Burn A Little Slower, Coretta Scott, Ever We Fall...lots of these bands had great pop hooks and helped shaped the modern scene (for one example, Kris Crummett of Clarity Process is now a fairly big-name scene producer, being DGD's go-to).
I'd much rather the variety of risecore (blemishes and all) than the safe bet of fueledbyramencore personally. It starts getting super repetitive towards the late 00s/early 10s with all the chugga crabcore clones, but in the mid 2000s that shit was popping. Plus rise signed all those hardcore-core bands like Stray, American Me, and Legend, deathcore stuff like The Red Shore, A Different Breed of Killer, Those Who Lie Beneath, At the Throne of Judgment, in addition to a solid mix of (pseudo)-christcore and wanky doodle prog/mathcore. Idk I know it's personal taste but I know I'm picking the roster with Attack Attack!and Drop Dead, Gorgeous lol..though FBR having releases from Paramore and The Academy Is... do make it a pretty tough choice personally (not to mention Jimmy Eat World putting FBR on the map back in '98, setting the mainstreamo boom into motion, to be later boosted by FOB/Pete Wentz, the rest being history...) idk now I think I'm torn LOL
I saw TDWP live in New Zealand in 2010 they opened for Parkway Drive and The Ghost Inside. Unfortunately TDWP had flight problems the day of so their show suffered because of it. Over all it wasn't a bad performance just could tell the only arrived at the venue 10 or so minutes before hand. Luckily The Ghost Inside and Parkway Drive arrived on time and me and my mate met both bands briefly. They put on an amazing show. I slept in a shower/ toilet of some randoms hotel room and hitch hiked 400km home in the morning.
Parkway Drive always deliver when it comes to bringing quality bands to Australia. Ive seen them 4 times (even played in a band and opened for them in 2005 (? a blur)... Memphis May Fire, Architechs, August Burns Red... and the first time i saw them in 2003 they opened for Shadows Fall and As I Lay Dying...
The 2019 TDWP album is my favorite TDWP album. I really enjoyed it.
Damn when you come for commentary about Meryl syrup’s movie but realize it’s also the name of a core band
I love mikes vocals! He’s so unique. Also how dare you diss chemical.
I knew two of the guys from DWP. I was in a band called Echelon at the time, and they would come and see us play. And then they decided to start doing what they do and I may have the tape they made as a goof for us during a snowstorm that was recorded on a hand held tape recorder and it was hilarious there was stuff they were making up off the cuff I laughed my butt off when they are screaming “it’s snowing outside it’s snowing outside, I hope we don’t have to eat wood” they are hilarious guys.
I want to high school with three members of The Devil Wears Prada and live next door to the drummer Daniel Williams the original drummer
Only thing I'll disagree on is Chemical. Name ONE other metalcore band that could write and play that song as well as they do. Name a ROCK bank that could write and play a song like that. The lyrics are beautiful, sincere, meaninful, connect with a lot of people. I think sometimes you're a bit too critical of heavy bands playing softer music. You just hear it being soft and disregard, you don't actually give it the time. You also mention that they went soft when Chemical was one of maybe 3 softer songs on that album. The rest were heavy as hell and definitely a gateway into Z2. Listen to "The Thread" on the same album as chemical and try to say TDWP went soft rock.
10:15 of course people would bitch about it. The bands are in no win situations most of the time. They stay the same then people complain (most times… a lot of fans just want the same) about them being one note and boring. They change and do something different because it’s what they want and makes them happy, then they get slammed for doing that and not just doing what the fans want out of them. I would rather a band create what makes them happy, than to get burnt out doing the same thing over and over for the fans, become unhappy, and just quit.
Favorite band ever! Greetings from São Paulo, Brazil!!!
Finn this is why I love you you don’t fucking ass you tell the truth
Chemical is the ONLY song on their 2019 record that sounds like that btw, the rest of the record is still very heavy. It’s definitely different than their old stuff but not as bland as chemical
When Plagues came out in 2007, it became the template for every fucking band for the next 5 years
I have been looking for someone who has compile the best/worst nu metal bounce riffs that you hate to love. Finn I think you are the only person that could do this justice. Please cover this on this channel.
I don’t know, when they dropped the zombie 2 ep, I think everyone was happy. That ep is definitely the best work they’ve done.
"here you go kid, go give them hell" fuck I laughed so hard at that. Can relate.
trade scene haircuts for anything and you are in the win. That shit was horrendous. Anything that brought one R.Radke to the music should burned by flammenwerfer and ash scattered never to be found.
The Devil doesn't wear Prada anymore, Prada is out or fashion, now the Devil wears LV.
Edit: 3:03, I would. 🤮
I saw them in 09 in GA during a rainstorm and they killed it. I mean ADTR came out after them and didn't have to do much crowd work because they were the last two bands to play and TDWP brought the energy.
My relatively normie wife loved TDWP when we saw them with Issues a few years ago, they just have that kind of magnetic power. I've seen them 6 times and they've rocked the house each time.
Been a fan of TDWP since Plaques. Missing that old Metalcore formula that i knew and love back in the day. And that got me thinking: if you do a mid to late '00 style of Metalcore, is that consider a revival? 1 genre has changed for over the years, but at the same time, its the same genre, rt?
6:45 that’s Jonathan Gering, actually. lol
If they like the Chemical stuff, what they need to do is combine that with their classic sound. Dynamics are the most under appreciated aspect of music. They're clearly hipsters at heart, which is a good thing if you're a musician. That's why they were able to create their unique sound pulling from untraditional and new inspirations in the first place. Look at Louder Than Thunder on Roots Above, in isolation who cares about that song, but in the context of a metalcore album, it bangs! Rock bands and listeners need to stop caring about genres and start caring about not being boring. TDWP is lucky enough to be popular for having a certain "voice". Instead of learning how to speak again, saying something new and different in their voice is the answer.
I also enjoyed Space EP a lot. It was a clear transition back towards the harder sound IMO. ZII after was just by them amped all the way back up.
Actually, I'm just realizing that Watchtower has a similar guitar tone to Loathe. Makes sense with George Lever being present.
I dont really like them anymore but growing up near Dayton, Ohio when TDWP started out was a pretty cool moment for everyone in the scene at the time. Can't say how much of an impact they had across the whole scene but for people around Dayton, they made a huge impact
I had the honor of playing a show with then when they first signed to rise. And I was the only person that didn't get super into them at first. But I prob honestly enjoy tdwp post dead throne the best. Love that they just do what they want
They really changed after Chris Rubey left the band.
Honestly I think James leaving was the real start of the change.
@@andrewgambill4391 I agree.
When I heard Chemical, like you, I figured their more hardcore sound had run its course. I didn't hate the song, I'm pretty sure it might even be on my playlist, but I was NOT expecting this comeback!!! I remember them from HTML rulez d00d and shit like that so I'm impressed they can still sound like that after all these years and have it be fresh.
All the other songs from the same album as chemical is from are heavy lmao
Warped Tour 2009!!!! Was my first warped and TDWP was the first band I saw that day. They are essential in my story with heavy music. A7x got me into rock and TDWP got me into heavier stuff
Same thing happened to me Finn. Was not a TDWP fan at all, but saw them on Warped Tour in like 2011 right after Zombie EP came out and they blew my mind. Was instantly a fan after seeing them live for the first time.
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I ❤️ The Devil Wears Prada !!! So stoked they are going back to their heavy sound. Great video FINN 👍🏻
I really like Chemical and Sour Breath, but a whole album like that is tedious. I would like to see them combine the styles in their future albums, since I think they do both extremely well, and it goes back into breaking things up to avoid the "if everything is heavy, nothing is heavy." They are fantastic live and I hope they keep it up for many years to come.
I agree
Have you listened to The Act? Because it's exactly like you just described lmao
I totally got a flame guitar strap in exactly 6th grade
The clip at Cornerstone is one of my favorites!! They lost me on the last couple albums, but this shit is solid!
Unpopular opinion, but space EP and their 2016 song South of the city was my favourite batch of TDWP songs
always love your analysis finn! i think mikes always been a good vocalist, but as they've "matured" i think his voice fits with the music a lot better. you can hear that on the transit blues blues album for sure.
the first zombie ep, and then dead throne was when they really came onto my radar fully (although i did buy the previous album before those, but wasnt really for me) and i've enjoyed them ever since!
i agree. TDWP around 09 was absolutely amazing live. Seen them 09 with ADTR. What a time.
totally agree with your comments on how they perform Live , when they can even make Chemical a good vibe live you know they good ! lol
Would really like you to do this with Voyeurist by Underoath. So, so good. Or at least very back to form. Personally super love it.
Massive Underoath fan from like... 2005... Hallelujah is the best song they have ever made... its almost perfect. It is the best balance of Old School Underoath and new energy. The Album is unreal
7:03 Facts. So guilty of this. 🤣
We have BMTH at home...
The Devil Wears Prada is one of the best bands to do it with their first three albums.
George also does tons of the programing and ambient sounds for A Day To Remember. You can see him in their Fueled By Ramen studio sessions.
I don't know if Finn was joking but that's not really George Lever. His name is Jonathan Gering
Yes i was joking
I think I was a out 16 or 17 at the time and TDWP was the opener for this show I went to and they completely stole the entire show. So much energy, they played exceptionally well. I met them at the merch table between bands and they were just so happy to be on tour and playing music. I've gone to see them every single time they come to my city and every time it is an amazing performance, glad to see they're making higher energy music again.
You should do a vid on motionless in white. They're star power has only been increasing and they haven't dropped their metlacore roots for butt rock like a lot of these bands have just to get on the radio. Voices is proof of that. Probably their most commercially accessible song and it's a goth boy's wet dream for song and vid.
"Sacrifice" was also good, but I think "Watchtower" is better. Speaking of Attack Attack!, they are back and they are still active and still have that sorta not-to-serious scene vibe
TDWP were so awesome up until they went all serious. I loved their shows in HS (graduated in '11). This to me is an older, more serious version of their old stuff.
Yellowcard was a band that managed to pull that off. They fell of a cliff after Paper Walls in '07 or '08 (underrated album) because a lot of people felt they took a little too much edge off and strayed too far from their Ocean Avenue sound. Then they released The Sound of You and Me in '12 and it had some really good songs that had that OA feel to it. Then the next year they dropped Southern Air which is OA ten years later. College me felt that album like middle school me felt OA. Too band LP3 left the band afterward. He's up their with Travis Barker in terms of ability and execution. He's one of my biggest influence in my style as a drummer.
Have you listened to the whole The Act album? Chemical is the only song that kind of goes the way of radio sound, which I personally don't like either. But there's a lot of good songs in there: Lines of Your Hands, Numb, Please Say No, Diamond Lost, The Thread... I wouldn't say they ever switched to radio music.
I'm a big DWearsP fanboy so take this with a grain of salt. I don't think it's fair to base their work over the last 5-6 years just on the song Chemical. Yes, your point is true that they are completely different changed, but they're still heavy. If you listen to the rest of that album, it's solid with some heaviness. They're releases lately are still super exciting. I'm glad they're still making music and still great.
If I remember correctly, I think they shot this at Alcatraz. Not in a warehouse.
Finn what do you think about "Voyeurist" (Underoath)?
I hated 818 when I was younger..then listen again as I was older...and was in love with it....and chemical is fantastic
Finn, don't lick your lips if it's cold out!
JJKKK love you dude!
Could you make a video about the fall of bands?
Like another segment like
- the strange history
- we need to talk about (blank)
- how did they get big
"I dont wanna say this but I gotta, we are the devil wears prada"
Chemical is the only song on that album that is a "radio hit"
The Act is mostly bangers and experimental tracks