Aperion Aluminum Ribbon Super Tweeter: Reviewing The Outer Limits
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- Some of us have added a subwoofer to extend the low bass response of our system, what about a super tweeter to do the same for the top end? The Audiophiliac peers into the outer limits and reports back on the sound.
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Thank you Steve for a great review and your endless passion for the hobby!
Great review Steve! What an interesting product. I never would have looked twice but the way you explained it makes sence.
Hi Steve. It's been a treat to see 1 particular viewers system. You have a winner 🏆 with the idea. Greg
I purchased a pair of Aperion Audio MKII Planar-Ribbon Super Tweeters, and when first playing a CD on my brand new DENON DCD-900NE CD player that I purchased at the same time, I heard a continuous hissing sound that did not show up on the 4 tweeters per speaker that I have. Thank goodness is was just a bad CD recording. My old CD player had just died. It was a DENON DCD-900 that I had purchased back in 1987. It lasted 37 years, and that was why I purchased another DENON CD player. I did have to replace 2 rubber belts over those 37 years. One was to open the tray. The other one was for laser head movement. I also had to re-lubricate the lasers slide rails. The last two instantly fixed a track skipping problem that had cropped up.
By the way, the belt for the tray came from an old dead cassette player in my junk pile drawer, and the belt for the laser module came from my waterproof high bean flashlight. I put the old laser belt in the flashlight, and it worked just fine as a water seal. LOL
Steve,
I appreciate your candid review of these supplemental hyper tweeters. I have heard similar responses from audiophiles who have used them- some had success, some did not. Saying the integration process was continual and similar to integrating a subwoofer on the bottom end was an excellent way to describe it. Peace !
Love the system of the day segment.
Thanks…
Agreed, love to see what pops up next!
Like many of your videos Steve. If you ever run out of ideas, let me know. Some say I never run out of ideas. Here are some possible ideas for discussion that I thought of.
*Which new lps that you see in Barnes & Noble and other stores have really good sound? Is there a very dependable non-audiophile label whose re-relases consistently sound as good or even way better than if you fished up an orig. pressing?
*A live (or taped) blind listening test evaluating if something is worthwhile.
*Tweak accessories.
*An audiophile brain teaser crossword puzzle. Entertaining & informative. You would ne surprised just how many people regularly do crossword puzzles.
*An audio trivia contest (with a prize maybe).
*Lesser known and underrated audio companies.
*Visual demonstrations of how to do something or build something like the Ron Hazelton show.
*Improving room acoustics,(actual visual demonstration).
Absolutely love the system of the day segment! One little tweak that I know that I would enjoy is during the end credits, show with no commentary just maybe a one-second snap of two or three systems of all the submissions that you have. You rock Steve keep it up
Maybe you spoke too soon, there was a 5 second shot of some big ol' Krell amp at the end.
@@russellharvey7096 I know, stopped to comment, cuz I'm old and forget. Still have my hearing!
I think I’ve finally realised something. I can’t be bothered ruining the experience of listening to music, to an actual piece, sometimes a specific performance, but music generally, by persistent futzing with tech. I do realise that your attempt was to test the speaker, but…the more I listen to the agonising parts of the testing process, the more I realise that I want listening to music to be a passive experience when it comes to tech. Am I a Luddite? Hell no. I’m a 40 year veteran of film and television. I’ve used more tech that even now is still bleeding edge than most people. I’ve developed in one way or another the systems that took us from pure analogue to pure digital and then up to film level resolution and beyond. I’m glad that people like you, Steve are here, because you do the sort of stuff I did for years for myself, my coworkers and my clients, saving me endless hours of agonising over which bits go best where, connected how. And, I have to confess, I’m glad it’s not me any longer, but I’m even more glad it’s someone like you, not some of the smarmy shits that attempt to do the same thing without your charm and smarts. Thank you!
Absolutely! I had a lot of fun in the 1970s and 80s, but eventually being able to just relax and only enjoy the music became my primary goal. I listened to Steve’s review with a sense of relief that since I lost the top octave this device wasn’t for me. Yet it brought back memories of hearing a friend’s Decca ribbon for the first time, and helping another friend decide between the Celestion HF2000 and STC4001 super tweeters.
had those super tweeters for about a year...with paradigm speakers and rel subwoofers...the sound is amazing...
I love a tidy simple system. My hoarder tendencys keeps my room packed with way too much gear to ever be that neat.
Same...just keep adding, without subtracting...lol
Audiophile joke:
Question: Why do you have seven pairs of speakers?
Answer: I sold two pairs last week.
The reason most speakers are designed with one tweeter only is to avoid comb filtering. That explains the smearing or blurring of the sound Steve mentioned earlier. It may sound OK at the highest frequencies (above 12khz) with some speakers that are not strong at those frequencies, but usually the negatives outweigh the positives with extra tweeters.
Absolutely perfectly stated. I think that I called it baffle step loss, but comb filtering is the correct term, thank you. And yes, the negative effects far outweigh the positives.
If you move them backward and forward, can you fix/avoid the comb filtering issues? People seem to love/hate these things, I wonder if it comes down to time taken to set up?
@@shodan6401baffle step loss refers to the fact that at some frequencies the baffle amplifies the signal, and at other (lower) frequencies it does not
I am kind of surprised that there is very few people trying theses tweeters pointing to the rear, no more comb filtering issues with mains . Phase could be reversed if needed..
I remember playing with super tweeters like the RTR ESR6 way back in the day. A box larger than many of today's bookshelf speakers with 6 RTR electrostatic panels in a somewhat curved layout.
Then the piezo tweeter hit. No crossover needed. Extreme high end. Cheap and easy to add. Put a resistor in series to match level.
Problem with all super tweeters is as you found trying to work with the KEFs. It is impossible at those frequencies to get the distance between the drivers close enough to stop comb filtering.
Great review
I just got mine and it added just a touch of sparkle to the sound, but it added a phenomenal sense of air and openness to the sound. Make sure they're as close to ear level as possible.
I have been running Townshend Super tweeters for years and yes they do make a very slight but noticeable difference. Absolutely they must be on axis with your ears. Highly recommend.
i can see their use for vinyl, which has a full frequency range, but they can't do anything for CD
I am running these Aperion’s with the original LS50s (non Meta) and find they definitely add that missing element on the top end to these speakers. The LS50s have a great middle and sense of space but I found them lacking in air and the bottom end. A sub is a given to get some slam from them but I was also underwhelmed by the somewhat dull high end. I found the Aperion’s online and figured I would give them a try. Aperion has a great return policy so I could always send them back. I was careful not to set it up to compete with the Uni Q tweeter in the Kefs so I really aimed for a subtle blending above 12k. I ended up setting them to 14k and - 5db. Really aiming at adding some sparkle to the top end. This produced what I was looking for. I started to hear well defined cymbal attack, the pick hitting the guitar string, more presence and breath of vocals. I also found they produced a taller soundstage. Maybe not to everyone’s taste but I felt it made an excellent speaker that much more exciting to listen to. I listen to a lot of acoustic jazz and jazz vocals as well as electronic, dub, alt country with some punk and 60s, 80s, 90s rock thrown in. The better recorded, less produced and compressed the source, the more the tweeters improvement is apparent.
Now I know Steve did not like the pairing with the LS50 Metas, and I don’t know if the reason I like the pairing in my system so much is the difference between the original and newer metas. All I can say is once dialed in, they may work for you.
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This is one of the BEST reviews/information presentation on Aperion Audios Super Tweeters Ivbe yet to view.
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Way back in about 1978 I bought a pair of Quad ESL 63’s from Sound Components in Coral Gables FL to which I added a Sequerra Ribbon Tweeter believing the Quads weren’t resolving enough in the upper band. I got the idea because at the time Sound Components had the HQD system setup which consisted of 4 Quad ESL 63’s stacked 2 on each side with a Decca Ribbon Tweeter in the middle of the stacked paired Quads. The system also had 2 Gigantic Hartley Sub Woofers. I had to rig a board sticking out from the top of the Quads at a right angle where I could the Sequerra’s and slide to and fro to get their position proper.
Interesting review, I give you credit for taking it on. I have the Infinity ribbon tweeters forever the emit not the super emit but I have two emits so emit squared. Doubtful your little boxes will do jack to my system. However for a diy system maybe those little boxes would be a good part.
I'd like to review those Aperion super tweeters in my system some time.
My 7.5 surround system relies upon a two-way speaker combo (8" kevlar w/ ESS AMT 1A) for the 7 basic speakers. I feel that some super tweeter would just bring this system to its full potential.
I am using one with my single klipsh la scala on my monaural setup. It's not efficient enough to really be significant, but it helps add some "air" to my mono records, albeit very subtly.
G'day Steve it's definitely the way to go we look forward to the viewer system of the day it's rolling really nice with the way your presenting it now. love it 🎧👍🙂
One thing everyone should try if they have a super tweeter, is to turn the tweeter around, so it faces the front wall (the wall behind the speaker), I remember when I had the Townshend audio's super tweeter, I tried it with the Apogee stand mount speakers, with the tweeter facing the front wall, I felt the music sounded more spacious, Of course it will depend on the set up of the main speakers, but I think it worth a try, great review, thanks.
Bose theory, direct reflecting. I agree mostly, was thinking the same.
I was wondering about that. Arnie Nudell from Infinity used to add a rear firing teeeter / tweeters that were out of phase from the front ones to get that added spaciousness from many of the higher end speakers
@@steveodian6008 The Infinitys were always interesting speakers to listen to.
I put the Aperion Super Tweeter on top of Tekton MOABs. It's a world of difference. I too find Tekton a little bright head on so I toe out a little... but then point the Super Tweeters directly at my head. I will never go back. You are right, it makes everything including mids sound better.
I like that these systems of the day are everyman type systems. That is they don't cost 10 grand just to think about. Today's system had a very interesting feature, the speakers orientation to the room was on the vertical axis, very clever.
I've got a Bose 901. Bought a subwoofer and now i need this...
Did you also try it rear firing to improve imaging and spaciousness? Quite some high end brands use that configuration and it reduces comb filtering effects.
Sorry, I did not.
I also tried to point them at the ceiling and the result was even better. There is nothing wrong about experimenting. ;)
Ive been looking for something to pair with my cotal flat 10s.
Great video Steve. This got me thinking ..... some expensive speaker makers for example Von Schweikert put an extra tweeter on the back of the VR Ultra model speakers facing the front wall i.e. in the opposite direction of the other drivers ...... they claim to do it for creating more ambiance. Just wondering if you still have the Aperion tweeters, would you care to do any such experiment? Thanks and have a great day!
I am wondering the exact same thing! What if you place the super tweeters facing to the wall behind the main speakers they are standing on, what happens with the stereo image?
Pairing a super tweeter with a Zu (single driver) speaker is an intriguing thought.
Steve do you think it would add anything to the Buchardt S400mkII speakers?
With the Kef LS 50 you've got too much distance from tweeter to super tweeter. Turn the LS 50 on it's side and you should lessen phase hassles due to the much improved tweeter proximity.
My hearing rolls off seriously at 10k. Thinking I could present more high end levels so that I could possibly hear it was a disaster. Using a sine wave generator and an spl meter proved I was producing audio at 100db above 10k I heard nothing and rolling back the crossover to approach my upper limit was very unpleasant and even painful. Older guys don't bother. You may actually do more damage than good.
Yep, I can't hear above about 12K so I don't stress about tweeters anymore. The beautiful thing about it is I still get a thrill out of the places in Beethoven's violin concerto where the violin sets lightly on those high notes. Cymbals still sound like cymbals too. It turns out that last octave is not a deal breaker. Now the bottom octave below 32Hz is another matter. :D
Im 26 and my hearing drops off at 12khz i can hear just over 14khz at loud volumes but 12 and below i hear at a relatively low volume. 15khz is inaudible for me at any volume
How do you match a supertweeter with a speaker? It seems like the exact position and phase of the supertweeter would be extremly important in order to get a decent result and to avoid sound wave cancelations due to so-called comb filtering.
Not surprised that the super tweeter didn't work with a coaxial design. I would imagine that the LS50 Meta would sound horrible with an additional sound source above the Uni-Q driver.
Hooking them up that way lowers the impedance the amp sees right? I'd think it could be an issue sometimes.
I use an Elac 4pi Supertweeter together with a TW Supertweeter from Expolinear with my Technics SB Reference 1. I don’t know why but it’s not overkill it sounds great.
A David Lynch fan huh? Nice! I was wondering how these would work with a pair of B&W 683's. The B&Ws are very bright but maybe these could add some more openness if the speakers and tweeters are positioned and set up correctly.
Could Gr research improve on em?.. the other ? is does the aperion super tweeter take away the sound reproduced from 5 star winners such as the kef ls 50?
What about tannoy st 100, for tannoys ? I will buy it surely, or make a diy.
Dig the vintage Krell KSA!
Boy I was going to buy one of these like this week but not now. If it's too hard or you have to fiddle with it from song to song, recording to recording or even movie to movie then no way. I really don't want to mess with it every few minutes. Great review and it's a no now.
Didn’t quite catch how you hooked them up…was it spade terminals from the speaker terminal to banana plugs into the super tweeter?
Yes exactly.
Did you try pointing them towards the ceiling or backwards just to add air?
No
i think it's interesting that there's a sizeable portion of the Audiophiliac's audience who would run super tweeters but would never run subwoofers.
i'm most interested in the subset who run both super tweeters and subwoofers
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As many have implied, there is significant high frequency hearing over the age of 60, particularly in men. I love Steve and what he does for us. If he can really discern these differences, it must be a psychoacoustic effect unless he is a freak of nature with super hearing at his age.
He's an entertainer .... He can't hear above 8k
If it has attenuation dial, why can’t you use it with at least some higher sensitivity speakers up to 5 dB higher?
I extended the Treble on my Series 1 901's running the Bose curve via miniDSP and a second amplifier running a GRS Planar Dipole Tweeter from Parts Express for only $35 a piece with a Solen 5uF Capacitor in series with the +ve (red ink terminal).
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You could also cut a hole in an old Quaker Oats cardboard cylinder, cover it with wax paper and put a speaker from an old Bell telephone behind it and improve the sound that way also. Just a thought...
You didn't think about turning it around and have it at the back pointing to the wall reversing the phase
should it be better on its side as well.
Steve, if you tried the aperion and the LS50 with the KEF lying on its side, the tweeter would have been closer to the woofer and perhaps blended better. just a thought.
.. hifitommy
Sounds like a recipe for comb
filter madness!
Wasn't surprised that the Kef LS50s mashup couldn't work together.
Where are you tempted to bolt it to the side of a magnapan lrs??
😉
I don’t have the LRS in the house anymore
@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac
Oh no!
Well, I thank you for recommending them.
I love mine. They are now set up and custom oak frames. (See thumbnail:-)
My friend heard them and said he'll get some as soon as he gets a bigger house!
What about speakers that purportedly already have a super Tweeter, for example some of the Harbeths?
Right, if the speaker already has a super tweeter adding another tweeter wouldn’t be necessary
So, reinventing the Apogee ribbon?
I wonder how they would sound with the evo 4.2
Steve, what about Ohm Walsh paired with Aperion Aluminum Ribbon Super Tweeter; would that work?
I’m not sure but probably. You might want to ask OHM
@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac Love your channel, Steve!
You can get the same thing by simply turning up the treble control (if your amplifier doesn't have tone controls, Schiit makes them). The thing is, if the speaker's designer thought the high end was deficient, they would use a different tweeter, or a supertweeter in the first place. If the speakers you have don't have enough treble, you bought the wrong speakers, and a treble control box would be far cheaper than these supertweeters.
Exactly. The difference between these and subwoofers is that decent speakers are perfectly capable of reproducing to 20k and beyond. If you want more treble, just turn up the treble. The speaker will respond. But very few decent speakers output anything below 40 hz. You can EQ all you want and you'll never get them to dig deeper, they'll just distort more and more. So subs are truly necessary to reproduce the full spectrum of musical instruments. This is just an incredibly crude and expensive way of EQing your high end.
Yep, some good points.
But I feel Steve missed the boat... as I would've explored implementing them via reflecting the energy up off the ceiling, off sidewalls, or perhaps firing backward, angled up so it ultimately encounters the listening position.
Sure, it's mere conjecture, but I'm guessing some systems in some rooms would really benefit from such an approach.
Also, oddly of all places, I've seen super-tweeters integrated into a recording/mastering studio's big mains rig.
Myself, no direct experience in decades. I recall experimentation in the 80's in our first home... but I abandoned them.
@@FOH3663 I have supertweeters (JBLs) on the top of my very large mains, pointing 45 degrees toward the rear wall. I use them for added ambience for some recordings, especially classical which more often than not can use a bit more top end 'air'. So yes, they absolutely have a place - that place is just not sticking on top of speakers, pointing toward the listening position, with speakers with already good HF.
@@rammisframmis8588
Great example, thanks for sharing.
No you can't achieve the same thing by simply turning up the treble. If you turn up the treble you are boosting the dB in all frequencies above a certain level. Supertweeters add high frequencies above say 10k or whatever setting is chosen which gives more air and space - a different thing.
I wonder if anyone can shed some light on my Japanese super tweeter. I bought it in 2017. The brand is Highcraft HC ST075 and is handmade.
The specifications are:
8ohm 80W
92 dB/W/m
12Khz - 30Khz
6dB/oct
Size: 140Wx75Hx80Dmm
There is a knob which I assume is a volume control as there is no indication. What I don't understand is that the sound is too soft and tinny. I have to turn it right up to get a decent sound but still not happy with the sound quality.
Someone told me to change to a larger capacitor. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
If all super tweeter sounds similar to mine, I think I probably give it a pass. Or there is something that I have missed.
I think that if I felt my speakers' sound could be improved by adding these tweeters I would just buy some new speakers.
You've got the right idea
It's a thing Steve! Loved this one ....💯
Super Tweeter curious ....😂
Love learning from your shared i formation. Just ordered a pair of MK II 's
Update; they're here. I like'm. They add just the sparkle I wanted.Easy to set up on top of the Linton's.
Hi Jerry, how are you getting on the the super tweeters paired with the Lintons? I too own the Lintons and am also curious as to the real world benefit
@@zakindi hey , I'm good thank you. I am now bought the Aperion true ribbons super tweets. They are a little more liquid and smoother than the magna planars. Both are great ,just saying. They are still on top of the Linton's. I don't leave them on all of the time, it is really up to the quality of the recording a lot. I have some records that I leave the tweeters off. The other records it just brings them to life. I hear little chimes and brushes on the snare drum I'd never really noticed before. Not planning on getting rid of them like I have some things. Oh the hobby !!$$
Also have an Emotiva RS 11 reaching out for the Bottom . A bit overkill I know. About a 200 SQ ft living RM. The linton's offer a lot bass wise , but similar to the super tweeters result , there's more on the top and bottom left to explore.
So you have the Wharfedale too ?
They're the nicest speakers I've owned.
@jerryjohnson4625 thanks for that Jerry, yes the wharfedales are a beautiful looking speakers, focal points of furniture. Yes they do make great bass and I can see why some would have little need for more, however I too have a large space to fill, being rather open planned. I have an Svs PB1000 pro, just dialed in for extension, which it does fantastic. Movies and Hans Zimmer, love it. As regards to the super tweeters, what settings did you end up at?
8khz , and usually leave the bottom dial " off". The Linton's have a bit of roll off at the top, and that sounds good for most of the time , But if you got a V8 , you gotta let it do it's thing, that's when you say " Oh yeah, there it is!"
I had 2 SVS s b 1000's. Had 2 REL tx5i's( I think that's right) . I think I'm in my 9th sub. Gotta be happy at some point , ya think ? Lol. What you powering your Linton's with ?
@jerryjohnson4625 I have no experience myself but 8khz seems rather low, does it not Intefere/compete too much with that frequency range already produced by the linton? I had a little Rel Quake sub before getting the svs, this was no pairing for the Lintons though. Great for smaller bookshelves or sealed speakers but the roll off was too shallow for the Linton so ended up repeating a lot of the frequency range already covered by the linton, plus it didn't dig much deeper. I use a Teac A-H500 Amplifier. Very juicy for its form size and power rating. Have had the lintons rocking out at very loud volumes and have never experienced any audible clipping. Teac PD-H500 CD player, Topping E30 dac, ifi Zen Blue V2. How about yourself?
Whoa! Did I miss the Graham review? Six minutes in and still wondering if this thing goes lower than 14K? Sadly well above anything I hear these days. I love the room arrangement of the viewer system. Done as mine is. On the diagonal.
Yes, the Graham LS6 review ran a while ago.
Can still use with 96db plus speakers.. these are juts adding air at top end
Interestingly, the more expensive $1k super tweeters are a more conventional AMT design. Interesting.
How do you think the $600 ribbons reviewed here would mesh with Wharfedale EVO 4.2's?
When and how long did you have those Maggies? (And I’m first again!)
Ten years ago, they were review samples, the long term loan was for around a year and a half.
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Maybe add Equalizer ability rather than volume. I come from car audio and compression drivers, and know exactly what your referring to with Tweet fatigue. When tuned properly amazing! But couldn’t get there without lots of EQ pink noise and subtle adjustments. I think we had like 235 hours of tuning in my car. Not sure why Home Audiophiles dont seem to EQ or separate amps for Low, Mids, highs. Strange to me.
Does that change the load on the amp a lot? What is the Ohm rating on those?
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Wow , so 3ohm load per channel when in parallel with main speaker!? Should be fine though as they will use only a tiny amount of current.
Interesting…especially because I have Dynaudio Contour 20s…but I think this is too "fiddley" for me.
…although….the video was worth watching for the "…hold steady partners" comment!!! 😎
Well i have tried really hard to make these work in my system however i have almost omitted how i listen to music these days...which i no louder than conversation level. At that level these did not deliver but instead i removed my diy made "super tweeters" that woked great and atteniuated high frequencies at low volumes. Even at 8 khz which is the lowest setting the platters and bells sounded puny..perhaps if instead of off position they could go as low as 1-2 khz - it would be an answer. TV
Sounds like they should have included a remote control if they need to be adjusted to different recordings.
Remote control requires electrickery and this is strictly a passive device. I’d suggest the usage case for an add-on supertweeter is quite rare simply on the grounds that I don’t know of any decent speaker design implementations that were created with adding one in mind.
@@jonathansturm4163 You are correct. I forget that they were passive devices
If you have to add super tweeters to your speakers, you have bought the wrong speakers. Sell them and buy something with a better high end response. Like adding a second story to a mobile home.
True
The technical reason why super tweeters don't often work - th-cam.com/video/razZspj7S0o/w-d-xo.html
You stated you could not us with your klipsch why because they are more efficient than the supper tweeters have you tried bi amping them ??? it looks like that would solve that problem ?? have you tried turning them on there side ??? how does that effect them?? after bi amping then try moving forward and back to phase the speaker and try it on its side!!! Did you check the impedance after hooking them up the way you did , it appears if both speakers were 8 ohm this would make a 16 ohm load , or wiring black to red and red to black a 4 ohm load. this also would have a effect on your amp and different tonal qualities
would it just be cheeper to find a better speaker than buy a 1k supper tweeter even a 1960 old stacked pair of klh model 9 would sound better . they are large and power hungry and run 16 ohm load . A nice old FUTTERMAN OTL amp would really sound sweet. You could use a David Berning and QUAD speakers, or a Martin Logan. A Krell ML2 for low power worked well . have you tried tri amping with a active or passive crossover like Audio Research
what happened to the terms squeaker and squawker ?
We squashed ’em...
I've used the ESS Heil Air Motion Tweeters with my Cornwall II's. Unbelievable highs and clarity.
Ex mid, 2 or 3 in, direct 3 ways
Will the super tweeter be too much for a book shelf speaker? Another migraine inducing consideration if a super tweeter will work on my system.
Equipments made in China doesn't matter to me anymore. I suppose our expectations for equipment engineered in the US, UK, etc should be a bit cheaper if it's made in China due to cheap labor. Just a thought.
I have the ones that are not aluminum and enjoy them with my Cerwin Vega e712 speakers. Technics sl 1200 MK5 with ortofon 2m black mounted in sumiko headshell and through project tube box S phono preamp. Powered Technics tx-8511 which has been a Workhorse for over 15 years. Considering getting a integrated amplifier for around 3,000 to $5,000 with tekton double impact. But I've been thinking about that for about 4 years now. Maybe a Nighthawk osprey with matching Celeste speakers. Decisions decisions.
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Thats Larry David audiophile variant
Most sensitive thing in speaker 🔊
Anyone using these with JBL L100's?
One day they will probably use OLED to make tweeters. But at the moment, tne best tweeters are made with compression drivers with a motor connected to a horn. Klipsch Heritage, Palladium, vintage and Reference Series Made in USA rule!!
Daily show?
You imply that you were just browsing the company’s website and these tweeters caught your interest. For full transparency, did the company reach out to you to perform a review, and if so, why didn’t you say so?
No the company did not reach out to me.
Interesting, but also horrifying all at once. I've no idea why anyone would want to use these... I love ribbons, but if you want a ribbon sound, buy ribbon speakers. The crude controls for adjusting crossover are laughably inadequate for the job of properly matching the real speakers and having two tweeters covering the same frequency space is an absolute horror zone. For once, I have no desire at all to hear what you listened to, your welcome to it, and you might just have well as listened to your speakers through some open backed headphones.
I think this approach is insane , but hey, if it works for you be my guest.
For once, im gonna let my aucostic engineering knowledge have the casting vote and I will continue listening to one set of speakers at a time, but im glad we have someone with your charisma that will give it a go. I think your nutz, but I kinda like it... Take care!
I've seen some dumb videos on these. Thanks for not doing that. This was helpful.
Steve does this ribbon speaker compare with the LRS need feedback detailed okay...tjhx jtmj
I had to watch this twice. I have a feeling you treat this like a Sub-Woofer with some trepidation of it's limited value, that depending on those that lean into component ownership in speaker additions.
Over all it seems what is added depends on what is missing by other very good speakers. What is missing on the other hand is what attracted the person who owned those speakers wanted. It appears that the BEST RESULTS were when what was added by 'Aperion' tweeters help to create a 'new speaker,' so to speaker, like the 'Grand LF-6' which took on a new character never designed to be as it sounded with the 'Aperion.'
My problem is would the 'Aperion' be better with with HIGH END additions or mid-Cost Additions. I don't think you'd want to place this on top of a sub-$1,000 dollar speaker if the Super-Tweeter is about the same price. It seems you'd just combine the two amounts of money you would spend and buy a Much Better Speaker..., so it's got to go with something more expensive to make much sense to buy to me.... it's subjective right?
I heard cabinet is a single piece of wood
i am now Super Tweeter Curious, your review has seduced and beguiled me.
So you have one tweeter and you add another. As Audiophiliac says, they both cross the same frequency range despite the crossover above X, because - 12dB... is not enough.
I'm really puzzled. How can you avoid problem of cancelations then? By trying positions. So the task is to try to avoid signal of the main tweeeter and aim in such a way that supetweeter and tweeter get to you ear without crossing each other. This must be a joke. Or is it that who cares about cancelations, as long as it is a bit different it counts :) Just buy yourself speakers with ribbon tweeters instead of creating problems you know nothing about.
A question that Paul McGowan took a stab at might be better handled by you or Jay - why aren’t there more female audiophiles? Would take actually talking to some (and not necessarily ones that run companies), and I know you’ve interviewed a few in the past.
Great question, I wish I knew.
First of all, this is why the upper end of a speaker's frequency response is so important and should be stated in any review.
Secondly, when running another tweeter in conjunction with the main tweeter, you immediately introduce baffle step loss, that can completely nerf your speaker's performance. The effect of baffle step loss can be further compounded by the natural reflections of your room.
While it may be a neat gimmick in certain circumstances, I cannot imagine a situation where such an addition would do anything other than degrade from the overall performance of a quality system, unless you were to completely bypass the tweeter in your main speakers. And then you would have a tweeter and mid that are so far apart physically that you would be introducing a whole new set of problems.
As I said, a neat gimmick, but a complete detriment to your system's performance overall and potential buyers should consider this and make an informed decision.
Say it with me, COMB FILTERING
Just get an ELAC with an AMT tweeter and be done. Not all AMTs are the same so avoid the cheap ones made in China.