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NOT EVEN CLOSE SEE HOW MANY THOUSANDS OF DAMAGE EV ARE BEING SHIP OUT OF THE U.S. I WOULD NEVER CHARGE THEM ANYWHERE NEAR MY HOUSE,BE CAREFUL IN THE RAIN AND SNOW, EVEN IF YOU GET SIDE SWIPED THE INSURANCE CO. TOTALS THEM AND INSURANCE RATES KEEP GO FOR EVERYONE.ALL BATTERIES ARE NO GOOD IN THE HEAT OR COLD NO MANDATES FREEDOM TO CHOOSE IS THE AMERICAN WAY.
no one will be buying EV's when your country collapses, and your channel supported electing the trigger of the coming collapse. Think of me when you're shocked that Trump followed through with using your military on your own soil to take out people who dont support him, as he told a rally he wanted to do.
I laugh so hard when I hear this, as soon as this conversation comes to mix everyone’s the flawed statement that has anything to EXCEPT its actual goal becomes insanely stupid.. As a kid who studies environmental, you legitimately will have fossil fuels mandated regardless, it’s impossible. It is legitimately insane to consider it a “want” like you’re gonna let the market pick this scenario under studied law😭🫡
@@terryhetherington3364 yes let idiots decide what's best for everyone, based on the idiots just wanting to keep doing what they're doing, instead of making rational choices. And then use the idiots as a cover for you not wanting to change. Because you're not one of the idiots right?
Fun and useful are not the same thing. While it would definitely be fun driving an EV on a drag strip and possibly in a twisty, deserted, canyon road, the reality is that 95% of its driving time either surrounding traffic or traffic laws will severely limit the exuberance with which it can be driven. I suspect that the first time you have to charge at a slow public charger and waste a couple hours standing around, the aggravation will cancel out the few seconds of fun one gets on the rare occassion the road affords some fun.
@@kirkjohnson6638 Your implications are false. Charging time is dropping every year, now at 20 minutes for some stations. However, 95% of charging is done at home during down time, while sleeping, cheaply. How the hell does "traffic" or "traffic laws" limit EVs? I "suspect" you sell ICEVs and know they are coming to an end.
I guess you don't pay attention to the news on the net, yes, the net, that isn't really all lies and hype. There are 9 major reasons NOT to own an EV, every one of them are major wallet busters and a definite downside to owning one. I'm not going into details here, but just stick this question into any search engine and see what comes up, but by far the biggest reason not to own ANY EV or battery powered vehicle, car, boat, truck, construction equipment, whatever, that uses a battery based off of lithium is a candidate for self destruction by fire. The number may be small of the instances but the damage they have caused from where they were parked and the fact that they now have taken owner's lives is the best reason to avoid them at all costs. Real world facts today that you HAVE to admit are that EV''s are banned from underground or covered parking areas now should give you the best reason not to buy one. I don''t care about all the other best ideas to own one are, this bad idea and it's definite possibility of happening trumps all the good ones in one fell swoop.
Our Model Y cost $30/month to charge at home; it's always a "full tank" in the morning. Our Subaru Outback (ICE) costs $47/week to fill up with gasoline at the cheapest place in town. I just replaced a set of rear brakes on our Subaru with 46,000 miles for $550. Tesla brakes typically last 3x longer because of the regenerative braking. Owning a Tesla EV compared to an ICE vehicle is a no brainer purely from a fuel and maintenance cost perspective, not to mention the incredible performance of a Tesla. One more thing I'll add is the Tesla Super Charging network is phenomenal. We drive 6hrs to our relatives and 8hrs to our kid's college. Even though a "full" charge to 80% on the hwy is typically 20-25 minutes instead of 5 minutes for gas for the Outback, it's really not a big deal. We've learned to chill out and enjoy the places we're charging at, eat indoors at a restaurant instead of in the car, stretch our legs more, etc. For the distance trips we take, it's typically two charges compared to filling up our ICE vehicle one time on the way. We will definitely be buying another Tesla when my Outback goes to one of the kids. My plan is to always keep an ICE vehicle too for SHTF scenarios, probably a pickup truck.
Very interesting and useful fuel and maintenance cost comparisons. How about insurance? Electric vehicles are supposed to be much more costly to ensure than internal combustion vehicles, especially newer EVs with Giga casting are supposed to be much more difficult to repair.
@@ariisaac5111 On average, I d guess 15% to 30% more, depending on what state you're in and even what city you live in. But that price is going down every year, as service facilities and parts become more available.
@@ariisaac5111 Our 2021 Honda Odyssey insurance was over $1500 the first year we owned it. We sold it and bought the Model Y in 2024. The Model Y insurance is $1800 the first year. We paid about $4500-5000 more for the Model Y.
@@Nashmax so, it is your experience then that there is no higher insurance for your EV versus a comparable ICE, when prorating for vehicle value differences. I assume the US model y 2024 does not have giga castings, is that correct? If you don't mind me asking, what state/city is the insurance for? Judging by the reasonable annual rate, I presume you are a low crash/theft risk. They also charge by annual mileage, are you a commuter or occasional driver for insurance purposes? I'm thinking that if you are a low mileage driver then they might not differentiate as much as a high mileage commuter.
@@ariisaac5111 All Model Ys use a single giga cast for the body. We live in the Nashville, TN area. Our insurance company charges rates based car driving history, number of previous claims, vehicle theft preventative measures built into the car, crime (car theft) in the area, crash safety and estimated milage/year. My wife commutes to work as do I. Her office is 15 minutes away, and mine is 10 minutes away. We always estimate mileage at 15,000/yr for both cars to the insurance company. So far mine is a little lower, and hers is a little higher. That's because I'd rather driver her car on the weekends when I'm driving locally for chores and this and that.
I just woke up to another fully charged Model Y. Cost: $9.30. Range 500km. Next charge? In 5 days. Cost of maintenance after 2 years: $329.45 (tire rotations). Charge at home: 99% Superchargers: 1% Range anxiety: What’s that?
Hi, what do you mean by “tire rotations”? Is that front tire to rear tire and visa versa? And how many times do you have to do that in a year? Greeds from Hungary
Try driving 1,120 miles straight with only minimal stops for food and restrooms. I've done that 3 times along with several 800 to 1,000 mile trips over the past 3 years. How much time would you have to waste at charging stations to go 1,100 miles? I also did a 2,600 mile cross country trip (Los Angeles area to the mid Atlantic coast of Florida) in 41 hours. Had I not already been up for 10 hours before leaving following a short night's sleep, I could have avoided a 4 hour nap in the Florida panhandle. I also vould have avoided rush hour traffic in SoCal and near El Paso and Houston which would have cut my trip down to about 35 hours. Try doing that in an EV.
I assume you still has to stop for gas though How much did this trip cost? It's a bit of a tradeoff. Can still be done, but need to just coordinate charging stops with bathroom breaks.
I agree. A good starting point is eliminating the hefty tariffs protecting the uncompetitive American Automakers. That will give us access to affordable EVs.
@TMIOTesla : There was a time when Preston Tucker built the Tucker 48 or Torpedo. It was the most advanced car in the late 40s. The big three conspired to take Tucker down, and they did. There was a time when a man called Robert Kearns invented the intermittent wipers for cars. Ford stole the invention, Mr Kearn sued Ford, and they went to court . Mr. Kearns won at a high cost of his personal life. Today, Americans automakers with their big daddy, the government, are keeping the competition away with hefty tariffs. Sorry, but there's no such thing as a free market in this country. This is just a country like any other country full of cheaters.
Plus the charging stations can, in theory, be powered by the sun / wind at the source. There is no gas station that pulls the crude from the ground and coverts it into gas.
For an ICE vehicle, practically every mile there is a super-duper fast charging station where you can charge from near 0% to 100% in under 2 minutes. Top that EV cultists!
@@kirkjohnson6638 "2 minutes" to fill up? I spend an average of 3-5 minutes just in line at Costco. Then I have to get out, rain, wind, cold, heat. My Aptera will self-charge by PV panels, cost= zero! Top that dinosaur.
I agree that it should be a free market, but I also think the full costs for fossil fuels should be accounted for. A 100% free market will only take direct costs into account.
Oh, you mean the cost to the health of the child laborers mining your rare earths in Africa? Or do you mean the destruction of the environment from Chinese rare earth mining? All that is outside your vision, so it doesn't count, right? Or do you mean the sunk costs of all the CO2 produced in the mining and manufacturing process which is far higher in EVs than ICE cars? Or do you mean the environmental or financial costs of disposing of the batteries that nearly never last as advertised? Or do you mean the cost of the damage from EV fires? No, you mean the imaginary costs of CO2. Water vapor is the primary greenhouse gas, and renders CO2 nearly irrelevant. However, CO2 has increased plant growth in both desert and rain forest environments and everywhere in between. It has increased agricultural production by about 15% since the 1960s. This would continue to be the case all the way up well beyond 1000 ppm .... which we will never reach because we can't burn that much coal, gas or oil fast enough to get there. More CO2 is better. More CO2 is better. More CO2 is better.
@ No on the fires. One of the reasons for buying an EV is there’s much less chance for a fire. My first EV was satisfying for 4 years then traded in for a new Tesla model S. My wife wanted more luxury than our Tesla, so bought her a Lucid GT, but it had too many bugs so returned it within 30 days. Next, bought wife a Mercedes EQS 580 EV which is outstanding. Last weekend, I leased a Kia EV6 for business use.
Then you better be sure not to drive in an ocean sourced flooded area, or even a regular fresh water flooded area, or be ready to see your EV go up in flames with you in it when the battery shorts out and goes into thermal runaway, and then be locked in it because the electric doors lock down. Also, do you work at a company that has underground parking, and have the banned you from parking in it yet? If not, just wait a bit, they will after finding out about that fire that caused major damage to the building it was parked under...Cheers.
@@johnpoldo8817 I wont bother to argue a point about what is more likely ..... but ........ in an ICE car fires can generally be easily delt with if u have a small extinguisher on hand . With an EV u need an olympic sized pool and mostly that is not enough, also the temp of a EV fire is much hotter and is self sustaining. I've seen one burning while under water after slipping off a launching ramp., what about Florida floods many EV's that were left behind were burnt due to salt water. Just this week 5 people have lost their lives in an EV fires , one fell off the road and caught fire killing 2 teens , another cybertruck killed people in a fire . As I understand it doors could not be opened.
I am one of those people who have vowed to not ride in an autonomous vehicle until my ability to end my life is hampered by a life threatening condition. It's not because I'm against a mature and safe technology being implemented on public roadways. I've actually been looking forward to seeing it. I just like driving. I know that sounds so unnatural to most mentally lazy and irresponsible people but I'd sooner trust myself to do the job over trusting electronics. Maybe this attitude will change as I see enough proof that no autonomous vehicle is on the road without proving 100% safe. I'm going to be one of the first people to order a pizza when an EV brings it to my curb and a drone flies it to my door and lands it on my QR code-topped parcel pedestal.
I have seen several cars towed to the local charger. EVs are heavy and hard on tires and the roads, Batteries are very pricey and the novelty of EVs has been dying. Life is about making choices and living with them.
EVs are improving faster than ICE cars. Eventually EVs will be clearly the superior option. Tesla is driving the continuous improvement in EVs and will likely benefit from this ongoing process.
I would argue that EVs are already better than ICE vehicles in every way except for sticker price and capacity to cannonball road trips... I just completed a 2100mi 48hr road trip in a model Y, and it was great.
EVs are a fraud and will be banned from EU, together with every american product and military presence. USA will just collapse in few months later. Enjoy
The only way that EVs can be a significant improvement over ICE vehicles is if they can be operated at significantly lower cost. As it stands, we're quickly realizingthe the real cost of operating EVs isn't lower than that of ICE vehicles, it's actually a fair bit higher and that's not even accounting for the value of the time that owners have to waste at charging stations. As for self driving and other "smart" features, they aren't the exclusive domain of EVs. ICE vehicles can be made self driving just as easily as EVs.
The best thing you can do to advance EV tech. is to allow for both ICE and EVs. to exist together unhindered. That forces EV tech to keep advancing so as to capture more of the market. It's a good thing that the government was unable to ban all ICE vehicles 10 years ago because the result would have been that the advancement of EVs would have slowed down greatly and today's EVs would be far less impressive. Allowing for ICE cars to be a player in the market is the very incentive that is needed to continue the advancement of EV tech.
As a car guy I have had my share of GM, Ford, Dodge cars. They are part of our American history. I love my Model 3 but not ready to see the big 3 go away.
@@klhilde Some fossil fuel incentives unique to oil and gas include the "percentage depletion" tax deduction, which allows producers to deduct a fixed percentage of their gross income from oil and gas extraction, regardless of actual costs incurred, as well as the ability to expense "intangible drilling costs" which covers a significant portion of the costs associated with drilling new wells, essentially providing an immediate tax break for these expenditures. Key points about oil and gas incentives: Percentage Depletion: This tax break allows companies to deduct a set percentage of their gross income from oil and gas production, even if they haven't fully recouped their initial investment, giving them a significant tax advantage compared to other industries. Intangible Drilling Costs (IDCs): This provision allows companies to deduct the costs of drilling a new well, including labor, supplies, and certain overhead expenses, immediately from their taxable income, significantly reducing their tax burden. Master Limited Partnerships (MLPs): Many oil and gas companies utilize this business structure which allows them to avoid paying corporate income tax, providing another financial advantage. Low Royalty Rates on Public Lands: In some jurisdictions, oil and gas companies may be able to extract resources from public lands at a significantly discounted royalty rate, further benefiting their profits.
Tariffs on foreign cars + tariffs on cars built in Mexico - EV Incentives = Tesla dominates the industry. Tesla already doesn’t need the rebates with the model y being the world’s highest selling vehicle in 2023.
The higher octane fuel used in World War 2.Didn't make for a quicker turnaround time. Is allowed for higher compression engineswhich gave them the Quicker climbing times by producing more horsepower.
It seems we are headed for a glut in oil, China has already reached peak oil due to government backed emphasis on EVs, if this happens it seems oil prices will drop significantly .
I think you will see the opposite. Oil producers will increase the price to maintain revenue as demand drops and they try to maintian profits on a ever decreasing demand
I thought that too. But US companies don't really make money below say $40 a barrel. So price drops will likely be temporary. And US is the top producer in the world.
EVs and the power grid aren't ready for prime time. It'll take at least 30 years to bolster the power grid to handle everyone driving EVs. And EVs won't be mass marketable until a non-flammable battery that lasts 20 years has been developed.
The grid is not an obstacle because EV transition, contrary to expectations, is very slow. In US, adoption is growing at a very slow pace, maybe 1-2% per year. Utilities on average can expand to meet demand if they plan ahead. Stick their head in the sand and failure is inevitable.
EV's demand is topping out. Too expensive to produce and if you use public chargers like Tesla's, it is MORE expensive than gasoline to drive the car. You MUST charge at home to see a $$$ benefit.
I can not think that the government has picked wrong again? Hydrogen produces (zero) green house gases at this point in its use; is great for trucking and the exhaust is water? Think (diesel ) electric locomotive. Convert to hydrogen Trucks, ships chemical production, cement all of these need high energy fuels. You don't get that from battery powered electric autos and the disposal of the used battery is toxic? As with anything that is disposed of it will find its way into the aquifer?
The removal of government subsidies for EVs is the end of Teslas profits. Currently teslas profit $$ is less than the subsidies it receives. Furthermore in countries that have recently removed EV incentives the sales of EVs have plummeted.
Lower (fuel) oil demand will lower proces but make it harder to get, fuel pumps will reduce in number and demand higher margins to survive. The current oil economy benefits from economy of scale, when that scale is reduced, the cost will increase. Over-all, I think fuel prices will go down, mostly because the oil industry will switch to electric for there overhead cost, like fuel trucks.
There is no way that subsidies or tax breaks for the oil and gas sector will be reduced or eliminated! I just don’t believe that it will happen. So EVs will lose the credit in the U.S. but it will take a couple of years.
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How about some reality 1. Where do you think the electricity comes from? The lightning fairy? 70% coal. 2. How much oil does it take to get an OV(Oil vehicle) electric car to market? 10 years worth. by the time your CV(coal vehicle) breaks even on its environmental impact its time for a new battery. ****** BIG Oil loves OV's, CV's and EV's. They win either way. Best part, the government got the American people to subsidise the whole ruse.
Good analysis and summary! One holistic view to consider regarding government support for electrification is from a military perspective - apart from consumer EV demand. If, as you mentioned an electric drivetrain is superior tech, if the US has not sufficiently developed the mining, processing and manufacturing capability to produce millions of electric vehicles, then where would the US military source their drivetrains (batteries, motors, etc.) without a mature EV manufacturing ecosystem in place? Definitely not China! If the upcoming Trump admin intends to remove the Biden EV incentives what are their long-term plans to address this strategic deficit? Imagine 20 years in the future and China has developed superior electric powertrains for their military vehicles (more torque, quiet, cheaper to produce/maintain, V2L capabilities, etc.) the US military may not be competitive with outdated diesel-fueled vehicles (tanks, APCs, troop/cargo transport, artillery/missile platforms, planes, boats, etc.). This scenario could be similar to the fueling advantage that the Allies had in WW2 as stated in the vid. The free market may not be sufficient to close this gap with China's head start.
Maybe in about 20 yrs id consider an ev, i just dont find that they suit my needs, mu vehicles sit for most of the month. My truck or one of my cars wont catch my house on fire.
Converting the retail price of a liter of gas in Canada to what it would cost per gallon results in nearly TEN DOLLARS A GALLON. In G.B. and Europe those prices converted to price per gallon are as much as FIFTEEN DOLLARS A GALLON. Why? Because that is the actual cost to "refine" crude oil into gasoline. In America at only $3.00 + per gallon, the U.S. Government is PAYING the oil companies nearly $8.00 for ever Gallon of gas sold. That's in ADDITION to Billions in R&D Supplements.
Range is anxiety is not a thing of the past! My friend and drove an EV from Albuquerque to Las cruces. What normally would be a day trip became a very expensive two day trip. Not charging at your house is very expensive!
Competition within the ev market are resulting in drastic price reduction. Example can now purchase a 2023 brand new, no Kim’s, full 3 5 and 8 year warranty on car and battery for 25k Canadian or 18 k us. This is a quality Mazda not an unproven Chinese ev poised to enter this market.
Gas refueling is cheaper than EV charging. There are very few recharging stations, they're always full and the wait time on a full-charge is very long. Gasoline-powered vehicles are lighter, they have a greater power and can travel much farther than an EV will ever be able to. When you replace the EV's batteries, you pay a heavy cost for battery replacement and recycling fees. Batteries this large will create huge landfills as they cannot be disposed of in the ocean like most trash. In every way, gasoline-powered vehicles are far superior to EVs, which is why there will ever be a complete transition to EVs. Just the facts.
EVs are failing in the market. HERTZ just lost a billion dollars betting on EVs. But I bet electric cars will someday be a good buy when they have a much longer range and batteries that don't catch on fire. I assume that will happen in the next several years.
Apparently you’re not an ev owner and believe fake news over actual fact. Actual facts are available from nhtsa and stop repeating lies about ev’s catching fire more than ice and getting up to a full tank everyday is somehow more trouble than driving to a gas station.
If anything, higher usage means the utilities make more money. Prices can actually come down. If prices skyrocket it will make more sense to switch to batteries and solar.
I don't believe ICE cars are on their way out. In colder climates (like northern USA) EVs don't work well year round. Below 0 Fahrenheit charging and keeping the battery warm costs a lot of power that isn't moving the wheels. Also we watched an EV center tap an overpass last summer. The car burst into hot flames and the driver had no chance of escape. Plus the weight of a EV makes it the biggest car in a wreck. It plows though other cars. Also the tires for an EV are more expensive to compensate for the lack of traction at acceleration and extra weight that ICE tires don't need. This also plays a big part if they get cold as they start slipping during acceleration.
Well, one reason: Assume that the could mount one or even two panels worth of solar on a car. Lets say 500 watts of panels. That means if the car was outside in optimal conditions, it could charge 4 KWH in an 8 hour period. 8 if it's outside all day... again optimally. A model Y has either a 60 or 75 KHW battery, so charging one from 0 to 100% would take 7 days to 9 days. This would mean no sun roof and extra wight that may very well offset the savings. It also increases the cost of the vehicle. Solar is all fine and well, but it takes a lot of square footage to make if practical for large energy needs. At most, it seems like you'd only offset 5 to 8% of electricity use. You certainly could not use on car solar exclusively. Your better off just putting solar on your home.
"Why don't they make the entire top of the car solar panels??? " Because it's not worth it. "Manual charging should be an option, but not the first option." There's no manual charging. Either you plugin the car or you park on a wireless charging pad.
That APTERA is awesome! Currently 40 miles per sunny day! That's certainly reasonable for most people. In the USA simce the average drive to work is 42 miles. The average general commute is only 16 miles! This solar charge is in addition to the normal charge so at least, God forbid, if you run out of fuel out in the sticks, you still have a way to get "feul" to get to the next fueling station. That's better than anything a gad fueled or EV can give you today. As for cost, like everything else , the cost will eventually come down to a few dollars. For example, a single multi million $ computer, that couldn't even do as much as a 2 inch calculator, took up an entire room. In less than 80 years, a smarter, standard calculator, can cost $1 and fit in your pocket!!!! A cell phone has millions of times more processing power than the 1946 ENIAC computer. The Apteva is proof it can be done. Time will eventually make it affordable!
A life of blandness. The option is go from here to there. When I DRIVE SOMETIMES i SEE SOMETHING RANDOM AND CHANGE WHAT I WANT TO DO. RATHER THAN TURN THE WHEEL I WOULD HAVE TO ENGAGE IN A DISCUSSION WITH THE CAR. Booooring
@@TMIOTesla “…Trump is all for the free market…” Yes, I suppose the context was the market choice of ICE vs EV, but even there, Trump’s economic policy is to favor the politing fossil fuel industry but not EV’s. Trump is far from promoting a level playing field here.
Every energy conversions from the coal or oil burning power plants burn more fuel than less as EVs are manufactured and used. Sure EVs may have nice toys but ICE are far more energy efficient as fewer energy conversions are used between the fuel burnt and the wheels. I would like to see a car that uses fuel and electricity more completely. Just think, cars that use both endothermic and exothermic electricity as well as complete stoichiometric conversions for automation. Wouldn't it be cool to have cars that made their own fuel or generated their own power. Go Trump! A clean market place void of government involvement. I hope I'm not dreaming.
The grid is slowly getting greener. The U.S. Department of Energy said that the carbon footprint of all U.S. electrical power sources combined has dropped to ~0.86 lbs-CO2/kWh. To compare an EV with a comparable gasoline powered equivilent we could compare a Tesla Model 3 that uses ~0.24kWh/mile of power (the last model year uses even less). The Model 3's gasoline powered equivilent is considered to be the BMW Series 3 that gets 30mpg. Burning one gallon of gasoline produces 20lbs of CO2. So the BMW will produce 20 lbs-CO2 over 30 miles or 30.3 tons-CO2 over 100k miles. The Tesla Model 3 will "produce" 30 mi × 0.24kWh/mi × 0.86 lbs-CO2/kWh = 6.19 lbs-CO2 over 30 miles or 10.32 tons-CO2 over 100k miles. So even with the added carbon footprint required to produce the lithium-ion battery for an EV. it will have a lower carbon footprint over its life than a gasoline powered equivilent. Some Tesla's are making it 200,000 to 300,000 miles, for even more carbon savings well after the carbon footprint of the battery has been "paid back". At 200k miles the Model 3, with the current grid, would priduce about 40 fewer tons-CO2 at the power plant than it's gasoline powered equivilent does at the tailpipe. Am MiT study on the carbon footprint of producing an 80 kWh Tesla battery had a range depending on the power sources used to mine and process the lithium but the average is 6.75 tons-CO2 for an 80 kWh battery. The Model 3 SR's battery is only 57.5 kW but for tje discussion lets say 80 kWh and 7 tons-CO2 to manufacture it. 0ver 200k miles, the Tesla would produce about 33.3 tons les CO2 then it's gasoline powered equivilent. The U.K.'s grid is even cleaner at ~0.34 lbs-CO2/kWh.
@@garywozniak7742 You know by vaporizing and premixing the fuel while retarding the timing to 1 degree after TC the fuel consumption on an ICE vehicle can be drastically reduced while increasing the power output, reducing engine temp, and reducing engine blow-by particulate. This adjustment also eliminated HCx, NOx, CO, and SO2 while reducing the number one green house gas H2O. A stoichiometricly balanced efficient car should only produce CO2 and H2O in small quantities. Here's another question... did you account for the CO2 produced by all the animals breathing in the world and correcting for the O2 consumption of plants found on the dark side of the globe? (Photosynthesis only happens in the daylight.) Did you know that gardeners use CO2 in their greenhouses to get bigger sweeter plants? The plant base on Earth keeps the CO2 level at around 0.04% at all times. Now H2O whole different ballpark and much higher levels are common. So, if we cut the CO2 more than man can currently produce it should brown up our globe as all the plants starve for CO2. Reducing the CO2 ratio reduces the amount of green foliage. Makes you wonder how much CO2 a dinosaur produced to keep himself in food plants.
It takes electricity to refine, pump and pay for gasoline, and to run gas stations. No electricity, no gasoline. Everything on a gas vehicle runs on electricity. Without electricity, they're a brick.
It’s free market inside of the United States. Our founding fathers never intended for the people to be directly taxed. Taxes were always supposed to be a derivative of corporate enterprise. Only in recent times have they instituted the income tax directed to individuals in 1913.
@@BigD4Real. The idea that the founders were some kind of all knowing supermen who could see into the future and design a government that would be efficiently applicable forever is ludicrous. They never anticipated that corporate power would be so great that it dominates every political decision . They also lived in a time when wealth inequality was maybe 500:1 between a farmer and a wealthy merchant. Now we live in a time when Elon Musk’s current wealth is more than 104,000 times greater than the LIFETIME earnings of a person earning $60k/year.
Forgotten are the people living far apart. Public charging needs to spread out so giant expensive vehicle batteries are not needed. Tesla needs to fill the rural gaps with smaller charging stations at convenience stores, and lots of them. Power them with battery packs to buffer local power limitations.
I don't think they're actually forgotten. You can travel pretty much anywhere in North America. Maybe a small rural subset is left out. But I was debating with a friend a few months ago, he was saying there was no where to charge at the national park he was going to (fairly rural area) and then we checked and there was a supercharger right smack in the middle of the park.
@@TMIOTesla Many areas like the south shore of Lake Superior can be traversed but you can't take side trips sightseeing, and that is why you went there. People also live there and their routes are very limited. I can get to a few because I have home charging in the area.
Roughly 40% of Tesla's profit comes from regulatory credits sold to ICE vehicle manufacturers. Will they remain in place during the Trump Whitehouse/Congress.
The carbon credits are not American, they also apply to ICE vehicles produced across the world. No matter what the American political landscape is, these carbon credits will remain for the foreseeable future.
Credits from around the world. Legacy automakers have already started their death rattles. If they lose the subsidies they will only die faster, which benefits Tesla and other competent companies.
Why do these videos always neglect supply and demand? The more EVS are plugged in. the more expensive your electric bill becomes. Even if you don't own a electric vehicle. Electric vehicles would make perfect sense inside of a big city but only if we upgrade our power grid. I don't live in a big city and owning a electric vehicle would be suicide. Literally speaking.. I have to deal with blizzards, landslides and flooding. There are many weeks out of every month in which I cannot go home. The only thing that's keeping me from suffering hypothermia is that gas engine.
Nobody is taking your precious gas engine away from you or your gas generator. The electric grid is not overburdened by EV cars. Studies have been done, that show EV adoption will not raise electric rates or compromise our electric grid. I live in the Sonoran desert which reaches 120F and is hot as hades from July to October 1 every year. Everyone is running air conditioning big time. Live in a community that has many EVs. We use level one charging to keep the electric grid safe, instead of level 2. There are super chargers available in town. You just plug in and in 20 minutes, you have an 80 percent charge from 10 percent. Your fear is unreasonable. There has been no mandate for you to give up your pollution spewing gasoline car or your generators, etc. Get real. I have no had one issue driving an EV and save about $100 per month compared to what I was paying for a gas car. My insurance rate for my EV per month is $103 per month. All the bad press and propaganda is clearly working that the oil indiustry put out, spending a billion on anti-EV social media plugs and advertising. Here in the desert, we install battery power walls that will run our home for days. We can install solar panels and charge our cars as well. Some brands of EVs allow you to power your house with the EV batter in the event of a power outage. Please by all means keep driving your internal combustion vehicle ( ICE) car.....you are free to do so. :)
"Why do these videos always neglect supply and demand? The more EVS are plugged in. the more expensive your electric bill becomes. Even if you don't own a electric vehicle. " The more EVs being sold the more expensive will it be to produce ICE cars. And if the demand for electricity increases, so does the production of new power plants.
@yourcrazybear then why are they not building new power plants? Our power grid is insufficient for our current needs. Buy your logic they should have started building new power plants 15 years ago.
Eva have literally no impact on the grid when you compare data centers. Globally, this carries a massive electrical draw that makes EVs negligible. It’s literally an irrelevant talking point. 😂
"I would buy an electric car and when I do it will not be a Tesla because of Elon Musk. " That's stupid way to make buying decisions. "Tesla is shooting itself in the foot with that idiot" You mean the highly successful company that have disrupted the entire industry thanks to one of the brightest people in the world? Yeah. Good luck with that comment.
China is way ahead on making and adopting EV's they have already won the EV wars . That summon option is not really perfected neither is self driving but it's getting better all the time . Let the oil company's loose there incentive to .
At both the rate of FSD improvement and adoption, my estimate is a complete crash of ICE vehicles in 2027 except for high performance and prestige vehicles.ICE cannot have FSD (supply chain issues) and with vehicle safety improving by double digit percentages , mitigating the insurable risk will financially force new vehicles to all be FSD/EV IMHO
" Range anxiety has largely become a thing of the past " .... ? .... are you kidding, range anxiety is one of the largest most significant CURRENT problems with electric cars.
No, this is actually based on actual EV owner's reported range anxiety claims. I make no such claims because I don't drive an EV. I'm allowed to talk about things I see and hear, aren't I?
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This is an emotional response. The data shows the decline of sales. Meanwhile costs of a Tesla is substantially cheaper then it’s comparable ICE model with respect to finish out, performance and features. In the next 15 years you’ll see consolidation and the auto industry collapse across the world. Market dynamics. It’s happening despite your reluctance to accept the data.
Sure sure. But uhhhh. You do realize the only reason they are selling all their model Ys is because most people are getting $7500 free government subsidies right at point of sale. with out that even the most bare bones rwd model 3 is going to be $43k. Near $50k for a model y with out that government welfare check. also FSD , pretty cool, but I don’t know a single person that is willing to pay out-of-pocket yet for that. Just look at their current revenue from fsd subscription . Maybe a few weirdos like myself (if you think it’s cool) will pay 💰 . But most ppl are not going to pay a hundred bucks a month for that bullshit that can’t even get u through a 15 minute drive without intervention . Tesla will get there, but I think we need to be real about the timeline. That’s all.
Everybody forgets that if everyone had an EV and came home at the end of the day and plugged in, the grid goes down all night, we go to bed in the dark and no-one gets to drive to work the following day. I love the idea of all electric cars but the infrastructure is just not there. I would own one in a second if the battery and charge problems (which have not been adequately addressed) could be solved.
@@TMIOTesla That is what I am telling you. If everyone wants to charge at night the grid cannot handle it and will go down. The infrastructure needs to be improved to levels not even imaginable at this time. Anything else is a total fail. How are we going to get this to happen?
Since the beginning of time, there always has been halves and have nots!!!! don’t lose any sleep over it. There’s a lot of lazy mo Fo’s that rather sit around and get high!
Why would I wanna ride in a car that I don’t have a control over? I wanna be able to immediately change my directions and not rely for some other machine or electronic device to do that for me. Why would I wanna ride a car that has a limited range & have to worry if I’ll make it back to my destination and need to recharge for hours & wait for my car being recharged when I can drive a gas powered car and refuel in minutes? Why would I wanna drive a car that can be controlled and shut off remotely by someone else ? Why would I wanna drive a car whose other parts can’t be controlled manually if it’s necessary or if there’s an ‘emergency?
"My God your are so stupid. " Personal attacks are never valid arguments. " No incentives means more ice sales. " EVs are taking over, incentives or not. "It's really ou rocket science." You are free to rephrase that.
I will NEVER buy an EV! They are just boring. People who love driving will never accept an EV. There are only two EV manufacturers, worldwide, that are making a profit. And that is mostly due to government subsidies. How long do you think that will continue?. Look what happened in Germany. Subsidies removed, EV sales plummet.
Yes, never need to change oil, never need to go to smelly and expensive gas stations, hardly any routine maintenance to do, brakes will last for years, no gearboxes to breakdown. So fast and smooth to drive, they're boring! 😂😂
Agreed, EVs are the future of personal transportation, ice cars are long overdue to be replaced. At a micro level the EV cars are a lot cleaner than an ICE car, no comparison. However, at a macro level, they are not so environmentally friendly either because of the sizeable battery size, granted they’re not using fossil fuel, but there is still environmental damage that is being done to produce the batteries and also to dispose of the batteries once the service life has been utilized. The EV from yesteryear, during the time with Nicola Tesla operated without any battery, instead they utilized a mechanism that Nicola Tesla move a few levers outside a box which allowed the car to get up and go. The use of the free energy that is around us needs to be opened up to today’s society. If society is a whole is to evolve to the next stage of evolution, it is imperative that they cease the use of fossil fuels. Plus, the use of all the free energy around us is necessary to be utilized by society in as many ways as possible if we are to save the planet and ourselves too.
"At a micro level the EV cars are a lot cleaner than an ICE car, no comparison" Micro level? EVs are cleaner. "However, at a macro level, they are not so environmentally friendly either because of the sizeable battery size, granted they’re not using fossil fuel, but there is still environmental damage that is being done to produce the batteries and also to dispose of the batteries once the service life has been utilized. " Incorrect. EVs are more environmentally friendly and batteries will get recycled. "If society is a whole is to evolve to the next stage of evolution, it is imperative that they cease the use of fossil fuels. " Incorrect. Society will always have a need for fossil fuels for the overseeable future. Some of the current use will get replaced with other technologies and some won't. "Plus, the use of all the free energy around us is necessary to be utilized by society in as many ways as possible if we are to save the planet and ourselves too." Save the planet? The planet doesn't need to be saved. Nor are the humans on it. Try to argue for your solutions having a factual discussion instead of lame doomsday prophecies.
Drill baby drill and gasoline goes back to where it was $1.86 just before COVID-19 hit so I asked AI (Perplexity) this question: Q: compare the cost to drive 300 miles in a new RAV4 with gasoline at $1.86 vs a Tesla Model Y Long Range with the average price of a supercharger today AI: To compare the cost of driving 300 miles in a new Toyota RAV4 with gasoline priced at $1.86 per gallon versus a Tesla Model Y Long Range using today's average Supercharger cost, we need to calculate the fuel and electricity costs for each vehicle. ## Toyota RAV4 - **Fuel Efficiency**: The Toyota RAV4 has an average fuel efficiency of about 29 miles per gallon (mpg)[1]. - **Fuel Needed**: For 300 miles, the RAV4 would require approximately $$ \frac{300 \text{ miles}}{29 \text{ mpg}} \approx 10.34 $$ gallons of gasoline[1]. - **Cost at $1.86 per Gallon**: The total cost would be $$ 10.34 \text{ gallons} \times \$1.86/\text{gallon} = \$19.23 $$[2]. ## Tesla Model Y Long Range - **Supercharger Cost**: The cost to charge a Tesla Model Y Long Range at a Supercharger is approximately $0.10 to $0.19 per mile[3]. We'll use an average of $0.145 per mile for this calculation. - **Cost for 300 Miles**: The cost would be $$ 300 \text{ miles} \times \$0.145/\text{mile} = \$43.50 $$. ## Comparison | Vehicle | Cost to Drive 300 Miles | |-----------------------|-------------------------| | Toyota RAV4 (Gasoline)| $19.23 | | Tesla Model Y (Electric)| $43.50 | In this comparison, driving the Toyota RAV4 with gasoline priced at $1.86 per gallon is significantly cheaper than using a Tesla Model Y Long Range with current Supercharger rates. This highlights how gasoline prices and charging costs can influence the economic feasibility of driving different types of vehicles over long distances. Citations: [I deleted the web links] ========================= EVs are dead when gas gets back to where it should be it costs a fortune to keep an EV running on a trip
@@BackUp-z4t Your local electric company has all kinds of rules and regulations as to when price can change and that has little to do with the price at a Supercharger - it's whatever elon wants to charge.
@@TMIOTesla My 2022 Tesla Model Y Long Range gets 3.5 miles per kWh over 2.5 years of use. AI reports that the cost of a Supercharger is 28 cents across the US. That means for me to drive 300 miles takes 86 kWh at 28 cents = $24 When Gasoline gets back to $1.86 and a RAV4 gets 29 miles per gallon that costs = $19.24 It won't take long after January 20, 2025 before gasoline is below $2/gal again and owning an EV will cost more than ICE. Last February it was -9F in St. Louis and my app says the Tesla got 2.8 miles per kWh so that 300 mile trip would cost $30 and the RAV4 would cost about the same $19.
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NOT EVEN CLOSE SEE HOW MANY THOUSANDS OF DAMAGE EV ARE BEING SHIP OUT OF THE U.S. I WOULD NEVER CHARGE THEM ANYWHERE NEAR MY HOUSE,BE CAREFUL IN THE RAIN AND SNOW, EVEN IF YOU GET SIDE SWIPED THE INSURANCE CO. TOTALS THEM AND INSURANCE RATES KEEP GO FOR EVERYONE.ALL BATTERIES ARE NO GOOD IN THE HEAT OR COLD NO MANDATES FREEDOM TO CHOOSE IS THE AMERICAN WAY.
no one will be buying EV's when your country collapses, and your channel supported electing the trigger of the coming collapse. Think of me when you're shocked that Trump followed through with using your military on your own soil to take out people who dont support him, as he told a rally he wanted to do.
@@JosephRusso-z7i leftist b.s . Sorry but the era of these sentiments has left the building. Go SHOUT at another subject that could care less
Until there is a better safer battery, ev's will never overtake mechanical cars.
Mandating EV’s is wrong. Let the market decide.
I laugh so hard when I hear this, as soon as this conversation comes to mix everyone’s the flawed statement that has anything to EXCEPT its actual goal becomes insanely stupid.. As a kid who studies environmental, you legitimately will have fossil fuels mandated regardless, it’s impossible. It is legitimately insane to consider it a “want” like you’re gonna let the market pick this scenario under studied law😭🫡
@@terryhetherington3364 yes let idiots decide what's best for everyone, based on the idiots just wanting to keep doing what they're doing, instead of making rational choices. And then use the idiots as a cover for you not wanting to change. Because you're not one of the idiots right?
@@DreDresChapters - ^ 🤪
That would work if you tag on the costs of dealing with the consequences of climate change onto every gallon of gas.
Once you own an EV especially a Tesla you won’t ever go back to ICE for the daily commute.
I am a car guy and I love EVs. It is obvious that the people that claim EVs aren't fun haven't driven one.
Fun and useful are not the same thing. While it would definitely be fun driving an EV on a drag strip and possibly in a twisty, deserted, canyon road, the reality is that 95% of its driving time either surrounding traffic or traffic laws will severely limit the exuberance with which it can be driven. I suspect that the first time you have to charge at a slow public charger and waste a couple hours standing around, the aggravation will cancel out the few seconds of fun one gets on the rare occassion the road affords some fun.
@@kirkjohnson6638 Your implications are false. Charging time is dropping every year, now at 20 minutes for some stations. However, 95% of charging is done at home during down time, while sleeping, cheaply. How the hell does "traffic" or "traffic laws" limit EVs? I "suspect" you sell ICEVs and know they are coming to an end.
@@kirkjohnson6638 if you’re able to plug in at home, overnight charging is almost an irrelevance
@@kirkjohnson6638So you still haven’t driven or owned one. As he LITERALLY pointed out was the truth 😭😂
I guess you don't pay attention to the news on the net, yes, the net, that isn't really all lies and hype. There are 9 major reasons NOT to own an EV, every one of them are major wallet busters and a definite downside to owning one. I'm not going into details here, but just stick this question into any search engine and see what comes up, but by far the biggest reason not to own ANY EV or battery powered vehicle, car, boat, truck, construction equipment, whatever, that uses a battery based off of lithium is a candidate for self destruction by fire. The number may be small of the instances but the damage they have caused from where they were parked and the fact that they now have taken owner's lives is the best reason to avoid them at all costs. Real world facts today that you HAVE to admit are that EV''s are banned from underground or covered parking areas now should give you the best reason not to buy one. I don''t care about all the other best ideas to own one are, this bad idea and it's definite possibility of happening trumps all the good ones in one fell swoop.
Our Model Y cost $30/month to charge at home; it's always a "full tank" in the morning. Our Subaru Outback (ICE) costs $47/week to fill up with gasoline at the cheapest place in town. I just replaced a set of rear brakes on our Subaru with 46,000 miles for $550. Tesla brakes typically last 3x longer because of the regenerative braking. Owning a Tesla EV compared to an ICE vehicle is a no brainer purely from a fuel and maintenance cost perspective, not to mention the incredible performance of a Tesla.
One more thing I'll add is the Tesla Super Charging network is phenomenal. We drive 6hrs to our relatives and 8hrs to our kid's college. Even though a "full" charge to 80% on the hwy is typically 20-25 minutes instead of 5 minutes for gas for the Outback, it's really not a big deal. We've learned to chill out and enjoy the places we're charging at, eat indoors at a restaurant instead of in the car, stretch our legs more, etc. For the distance trips we take, it's typically two charges compared to filling up our ICE vehicle one time on the way.
We will definitely be buying another Tesla when my Outback goes to one of the kids. My plan is to always keep an ICE vehicle too for SHTF scenarios, probably a pickup truck.
Very interesting and useful fuel and maintenance cost comparisons. How about insurance? Electric vehicles are supposed to be much more costly to ensure than internal combustion vehicles, especially newer EVs with Giga casting are supposed to be much more difficult to repair.
@@ariisaac5111
On average, I d guess 15% to 30% more, depending on what state you're in and even what city you live in. But that price is going down every year, as service facilities and parts become more available.
@@ariisaac5111 Our 2021 Honda Odyssey insurance was over $1500 the first year we owned it. We sold it and bought the Model Y in 2024. The Model Y insurance is $1800 the first year. We paid about $4500-5000 more for the Model Y.
@@Nashmax so, it is your experience then that there is no higher insurance for your EV versus a comparable ICE, when prorating for vehicle value differences. I assume the US model y 2024 does not have giga castings, is that correct? If you don't mind me asking, what state/city is the insurance for? Judging by the reasonable annual rate, I presume you are a low crash/theft risk. They also charge by annual mileage, are you a commuter or occasional driver for insurance purposes? I'm thinking that if you are a low mileage driver then they might not differentiate as much as a high mileage commuter.
@@ariisaac5111 All Model Ys use a single giga cast for the body. We live in the Nashville, TN area. Our insurance company charges rates based car driving history, number of previous claims, vehicle theft preventative measures built into the car, crime (car theft) in the area, crash safety and estimated milage/year. My wife commutes to work as do I. Her office is 15 minutes away, and mine is 10 minutes away. We always estimate mileage at 15,000/yr for both cars to the insurance company. So far mine is a little lower, and hers is a little higher. That's because I'd rather driver her car on the weekends when I'm driving locally for chores and this and that.
I just woke up to another fully charged Model Y. Cost: $9.30. Range 500km. Next charge? In 5 days.
Cost of maintenance after 2 years: $329.45 (tire rotations).
Charge at home: 99%
Superchargers: 1%
Range anxiety: What’s that?
Hi, what do you mean by “tire rotations”? Is that front tire to rear tire and visa versa? And how many times do you have to do that in a year? Greeds from Hungary
Try driving 1,120 miles straight with only minimal stops for food and restrooms. I've done that 3 times along with several 800 to 1,000 mile trips over the past 3 years. How much time would you have to waste at charging stations to go 1,100 miles? I also did a 2,600 mile cross country trip (Los Angeles area to the mid Atlantic coast of Florida) in 41 hours. Had I not already been up for 10 hours before leaving following a short night's sleep, I could have avoided a 4 hour nap in the Florida panhandle. I also vould have avoided rush hour traffic in SoCal and near El Paso and Houston which would have cut my trip down to about 35 hours. Try doing that in an EV.
Exactly, I have the same car. Some people don't realize. Plus the car is siiick.
I assume you still has to stop for gas though How much did this trip cost? It's a bit of a tradeoff. Can still be done, but need to just coordinate charging stops with bathroom breaks.
@@kirkjohnson6638you are not the target market keep buying ice you will be ready by the time there are no new ice cars left
In a free market, we should buy what ever EV we want without import tax
I agree. A good starting point is eliminating the hefty tariffs protecting the uncompetitive American Automakers. That will give us access to affordable EVs.
There's a generally free market in the US, but not everyone else in the world plays by the same rules.
@@TMIOTesla that’s goes for the US too. There was a time that the US didn’t play by its own rules, I rather buy a Chinese EV at $25k than a Tesla
In a free market, there is no minimum wage …
@TMIOTesla : There was a time when Preston Tucker built the Tucker 48 or Torpedo. It was the most advanced car in the late 40s. The big three conspired to take Tucker down, and they did. There was a time when a man called Robert Kearns invented the intermittent wipers for cars. Ford stole the invention, Mr Kearn sued Ford, and they went to court . Mr. Kearns won at a high cost of his personal life. Today, Americans automakers with their big daddy, the government, are keeping the competition away with hefty tariffs. Sorry, but there's no such thing as a free market in this country. This is just a country like any other country full of cheaters.
For an EV, every power outlet is a gas station. Try competing with that dirty oil.
Plus the charging stations can, in theory, be powered by the sun / wind at the source. There is no gas station that pulls the crude from the ground and coverts it into gas.
That’s why I love my EV, especially I’m charge it from home and its all solar generated :)
For an ICE vehicle, practically every mile there is a super-duper fast charging station where you can charge from near 0% to 100% in under 2 minutes. Top that EV cultists!
@@kirkjohnson6638 "2 minutes" to fill up? I spend an average of 3-5 minutes just in line at Costco. Then I have to get out, rain, wind, cold, heat. My Aptera will self-charge by PV panels, cost= zero! Top that dinosaur.
I agree that it should be a free market, but I also think the full costs for fossil fuels should be accounted for. A 100% free market will only take direct costs into account.
Oh, you mean the cost to the health of the child laborers mining your rare earths in Africa?
Or do you mean the destruction of the environment from Chinese rare earth mining?
All that is outside your vision, so it doesn't count, right?
Or do you mean the sunk costs of all the CO2 produced in the mining and manufacturing process which is far higher in EVs than ICE cars?
Or do you mean the environmental or financial costs of disposing of the batteries that nearly never last as advertised?
Or do you mean the cost of the damage from EV fires?
No, you mean the imaginary costs of CO2.
Water vapor is the primary greenhouse gas, and renders CO2 nearly irrelevant.
However, CO2 has increased plant growth in both desert and rain forest environments and everywhere in between. It has increased agricultural production by about 15% since the 1960s. This would continue to be the case all the way up well beyond 1000 ppm .... which we will never reach because we can't burn that much coal, gas or oil fast enough to get there.
More CO2 is better.
More CO2 is better.
More CO2 is better.
Ignore the deaths from air pollution, though.
I’m a previous twin turbo, V8 Mercedes AMG guy and I prefer 1,000,000% more Driving a Tesla is so much more Fun!
I want to see a very gradual elimination of subsidies to both oil & EVs. Having bought 5 EVs since 2017, I’ll never go back to a gas car.
Thats 18 months each
Did they all catch fire ?
@ No on the fires. One of the reasons for buying an EV is there’s much less chance for a fire. My first EV was satisfying for 4 years then traded in for a new Tesla model S. My wife wanted more luxury than our Tesla, so bought her a Lucid GT, but it had too many bugs so returned it within 30 days. Next, bought wife a Mercedes EQS 580 EV which is outstanding. Last weekend, I leased a Kia EV6 for business use.
Elimination of prohibitive tariffs on cars and components (especially batteries and solar panels) would help, too.
Then you better be sure not to drive in an ocean sourced flooded area, or even a regular fresh water flooded area, or be ready to see your EV go up in flames with you in it when the battery shorts out and goes into thermal runaway, and then be locked in it because the electric doors lock down. Also, do you work at a company that has underground parking, and have the banned you from parking in it yet? If not, just wait a bit, they will after finding out about that fire that caused major damage to the building it was parked under...Cheers.
@@johnpoldo8817
I wont bother to argue a point about what is more likely ..... but ........
in an ICE car fires can generally be easily delt with if u have a small
extinguisher on hand . With an EV u need an olympic sized pool and
mostly that is not enough, also the temp of a EV fire is much hotter and
is self sustaining. I've seen one burning while under water after
slipping off a launching ramp., what about Florida floods many EV's
that were left behind were burnt due to salt water.
Just this week 5 people have lost their lives in an EV fires , one fell off
the road and caught fire killing 2 teens , another cybertruck killed
people in a fire . As I understand it doors could not be opened.
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I am one of those people who have vowed to not ride in an autonomous vehicle until my ability to end my life is hampered by a life threatening condition. It's not because I'm against a mature and safe technology being implemented on public roadways. I've actually been looking forward to seeing it. I just like driving. I know that sounds so unnatural to most mentally lazy and irresponsible people but I'd sooner trust myself to do the job over trusting electronics. Maybe this attitude will change as I see enough proof that no autonomous vehicle is on the road without proving 100% safe.
I'm going to be one of the first people to order a pizza when an EV brings it to my curb and a drone flies it to my door and lands it on my QR code-topped parcel pedestal.
I have seen several cars towed to the local charger. EVs are heavy and hard on tires and the roads, Batteries are very pricey and the novelty of EVs has been dying. Life is about making choices and living with them.
EVs are improving faster than ICE cars. Eventually EVs will be clearly the superior option. Tesla is driving the continuous improvement in EVs and will likely benefit from this ongoing process.
I would argue that EVs are already better than ICE vehicles in every way except for sticker price and capacity to cannonball road trips... I just completed a 2100mi 48hr road trip in a model Y, and it was great.
There the superior option now and getting better.
EVs are a fraud and will be banned from EU, together with every american product and military presence. USA will just collapse in few months later. Enjoy
The only way that EVs can be a significant improvement over ICE vehicles is if they can be operated at significantly lower cost. As it stands, we're quickly realizingthe the real cost of operating EVs isn't lower than that of ICE vehicles, it's actually a fair bit higher and that's not even accounting for the value of the time that owners have to waste at charging stations.
As for self driving and other "smart" features, they aren't the exclusive domain of EVs. ICE vehicles can be made self driving just as easily as EVs.
@@ctuna2011No, EVs are quite inferior to ICE cars at the present time and will still be inferior for the foreseeable future.
Tesla is the future and no one can change it because it’s cheaper and much better ice is done.
The best thing you can do to advance EV tech. is to allow for both ICE and EVs. to exist together unhindered. That forces EV tech to keep advancing so as to capture more of the market. It's a good thing that the government was unable to ban all ICE vehicles 10 years ago because the result would have been that the advancement of EVs would have slowed down greatly and today's EVs would be far less impressive. Allowing for ICE cars to be a player in the market is the very incentive that is needed to continue the advancement of EV tech.
Spot on!
Let the best prevail.
As a car guy I have had my share of GM, Ford, Dodge cars. They are part of our American history. I love my Model 3 but not ready to see the big 3 go away.
Tesla is also part of American history …
As are horse and buggy.
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What about fossil fuel incentives??? Are they also being eliminated???
I'm sick and tired of ignorant people that treat legitimate expense deductions as "incentives" or "subsidies."
@@klhilde Big Oil GETS subsides.
@@douglasolsson7768 Please name one.
@@klhilde Some fossil fuel incentives unique to oil and gas include the "percentage depletion" tax deduction, which allows producers to deduct a fixed percentage of their gross income from oil and gas extraction, regardless of actual costs incurred, as well as the ability to expense "intangible drilling costs" which covers a significant portion of the costs associated with drilling new wells, essentially providing an immediate tax break for these expenditures.
Key points about oil and gas incentives:
Percentage Depletion:
This tax break allows companies to deduct a set percentage of their gross income from oil and gas production, even if they haven't fully recouped their initial investment, giving them a significant tax advantage compared to other industries.
Intangible Drilling Costs (IDCs):
This provision allows companies to deduct the costs of drilling a new well, including labor, supplies, and certain overhead expenses, immediately from their taxable income, significantly reducing their tax burden.
Master Limited Partnerships (MLPs):
Many oil and gas companies utilize this business structure which allows them to avoid paying corporate income tax, providing another financial advantage.
Low Royalty Rates on Public Lands:
In some jurisdictions, oil and gas companies may be able to extract resources from public lands at a significantly discounted royalty rate, further benefiting their profits.
@@klhilde Happy now? You work for Big Oil or something? Why defend them?
Donald Trump doesn't give a rat ass about EV cars. What was Elon thinking of?
Tariffs on foreign cars + tariffs on cars built in Mexico - EV Incentives = Tesla dominates the industry.
Tesla already doesn’t need the rebates with the model y being the world’s highest selling vehicle in 2023.
When everyone has an EV we will be able to run our house electric with the battery.
The higher octane fuel used in World War 2.Didn't make for a quicker turnaround time. Is allowed for higher compression engineswhich gave them the Quicker climbing times by producing more horsepower.
This whole article seems to go against the reality of what is happening.
If they had expanded Nuclear power the way they said and planned, this wouldn’t be an issue. All lies lies lies
I bet EVs are superior also in repair bills when some hard to reach electrical thingies break or battery coolants leak etc. etc.
I sold my Tesla and bought a Subaru EV for me and a Bolt for my daughter.
It seems we are headed for a glut in oil, China has already reached peak oil due to government backed emphasis on EVs, if this happens it seems oil prices will drop significantly .
I think you will see the opposite. Oil producers will increase the price to maintain revenue as demand drops and they try to maintian profits on a ever decreasing demand
I thought that too. But US companies don't really make money below say $40 a barrel. So price drops will likely be temporary. And US is the top producer in the world.
Renewable energy depends on batteries which are not renewable.
It should up to us to buy ev cars not government
The best cars do not always win because you're never going to get the masses so get on your electricity high
Great vid. Gracias!!
Teslas are superior vehicles
Brilliant analysis as usual. If Elon has a secret TH-cam account, I reckon it is this one.
Lol thanks
EVs and the power grid aren't ready for prime time. It'll take at least 30 years to bolster the power grid to handle everyone driving EVs. And EVs won't be mass marketable until a non-flammable battery that lasts 20 years has been developed.
The grid is not an obstacle because EV transition, contrary to expectations, is very slow. In US, adoption is growing at a very slow pace, maybe 1-2% per year. Utilities on average can expand to meet demand if they plan ahead. Stick their head in the sand and failure is inevitable.
EV's demand is topping out. Too expensive to produce and if you use public chargers like Tesla's, it is MORE expensive than gasoline to drive the car. You MUST charge at home to see a $$$ benefit.
I can not think that the government has picked wrong again? Hydrogen produces (zero) green house gases at this point in its use; is great for trucking and the exhaust is water? Think (diesel ) electric locomotive. Convert to hydrogen Trucks, ships chemical production, cement all of these need high energy fuels. You don't get that from battery powered electric autos and the disposal of the used battery is toxic? As with anything that is disposed of it will find its way into the aquifer?
better mouse trap by miles, and pays its own way
The removal of government subsidies for EVs is the end of Teslas profits. Currently teslas profit $$ is less than the subsidies it receives. Furthermore in countries that have recently removed EV incentives the sales of EVs have plummeted.
For the current fleet, robotaxis will need operators at superchargers to plug them in. I wonder if they are training Optimus for this?
Wireless charging is coming
@ not to the y and 3 which are the vehicles they will need to launch with.
Summon themselves? We're Doomed....😂
Current ev's need more advancements, not enough range and not good for all applications .
Lower (fuel) oil demand will lower proces but make it harder to get, fuel pumps will reduce in number and demand higher margins to survive. The current oil economy benefits from economy of scale, when that scale is reduced, the cost will increase. Over-all, I think fuel prices will go down, mostly because the oil industry will switch to electric for there overhead cost, like fuel trucks.
They are not ready.
Yeah but the world does not need ice cars. People can go from A to B with an ev.
Where is my self driving car 🚗🚗
There is no way that subsidies or tax breaks for the oil and gas sector will be reduced or eliminated! I just don’t believe that it will happen. So EVs will lose the credit in the U.S. but it will take a couple of years.
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How about some reality
1. Where do you think the electricity comes from? The lightning fairy? 70% coal.
2. How much oil does it take to get an OV(Oil vehicle) electric car to market? 10 years worth. by the time your CV(coal vehicle) breaks even on its environmental impact its time for a new battery.
****** BIG Oil loves OV's, CV's and EV's. They win either way. Best part, the government got the American people to subsidise the whole ruse.
Good analysis and summary! One holistic view to consider regarding government support for electrification is from a military perspective - apart from consumer EV demand. If, as you mentioned an electric drivetrain is superior tech, if the US has not sufficiently developed the mining, processing and manufacturing capability to produce millions of electric vehicles, then where would the US military source their drivetrains (batteries, motors, etc.) without a mature EV manufacturing ecosystem in place? Definitely not China!
If the upcoming Trump admin intends to remove the Biden EV incentives what are their long-term plans to address this strategic deficit?
Imagine 20 years in the future and China has developed superior electric powertrains for their military vehicles (more torque, quiet, cheaper to produce/maintain, V2L capabilities, etc.) the US military may not be competitive with outdated diesel-fueled vehicles (tanks, APCs, troop/cargo transport, artillery/missile platforms, planes, boats, etc.). This scenario could be similar to the fueling advantage that the Allies had in WW2 as stated in the vid. The free market may not be sufficient to close this gap with China's head start.
ICE cars will always be around
Everyone knows EVs are better than ice. Jim Farley just said EVs are far superior as well in every metric.
Gay
What about biofuel?
Maybe in about 20 yrs id consider an ev, i just dont find that they suit my needs, mu vehicles sit for most of the month. My truck or one of my cars wont catch my house on fire.
Converting the retail price of a liter of gas in Canada to what it would cost per gallon results in nearly TEN DOLLARS A GALLON. In G.B. and Europe those prices converted to price per gallon are as much as FIFTEEN DOLLARS A GALLON. Why? Because that is the actual cost to "refine" crude oil into gasoline. In America at only $3.00 + per gallon, the U.S. Government is PAYING the oil companies nearly $8.00 for ever Gallon of gas sold. That's in ADDITION to Billions in R&D Supplements.
That’s a bunch of BS
It's about $5 - $6 CAD per gallon
Range is anxiety is not a thing of the past! My friend and drove an EV from Albuquerque to Las cruces. What normally would be a day trip became a very expensive two day trip. Not charging at your house is very expensive!
Competition within the ev market are resulting in drastic price reduction. Example can now purchase a 2023 brand new, no Kim’s, full 3 5 and 8 year warranty on car and battery for 25k Canadian or 18 k us. This is a quality Mazda not an unproven Chinese ev poised to enter this market.
Gas refueling is cheaper than EV charging. There are very few recharging stations, they're always full and the wait time on a full-charge is very long. Gasoline-powered vehicles are lighter, they have a greater power and can travel much farther than an EV will ever be able to. When you replace the EV's batteries, you pay a heavy cost for battery replacement and recycling fees. Batteries this large will create huge landfills as they cannot be disposed of in the ocean like most trash. In every way, gasoline-powered vehicles are far superior to EVs, which is why there will ever be a complete transition to EVs. Just the facts.
ICE is nice
After getting a Model Y I never want to see an ICE car again. They're garbage.
@@TMIOTesla Dont let it get to your head, lol
EVs are failing in the market. HERTZ just lost a billion dollars betting on EVs. But I bet electric cars will someday be a good buy when they have a much longer range and batteries that don't catch on fire. I assume that will happen in the next several years.
Apparently you’re not an ev owner and believe fake news over actual fact. Actual facts are available from nhtsa and stop repeating lies about ev’s catching fire more than ice and getting up to a full tank everyday is somehow more trouble than driving to a gas station.
Yeah wait till it cost of electricity doubles your EVS won't be worth poop
If anything, higher usage means the utilities make more money. Prices can actually come down.
If prices skyrocket it will make more sense to switch to batteries and solar.
Teslas have worst depreciation
I don't believe ICE cars are on their way out. In colder climates (like northern USA) EVs don't work well year round. Below 0 Fahrenheit charging and keeping the battery warm costs a lot of power that isn't moving the wheels. Also we watched an EV center tap an overpass last summer. The car burst into hot flames and the driver had no chance of escape. Plus the weight of a EV makes it the biggest car in a wreck. It plows though other cars. Also the tires for an EV are more expensive to compensate for the lack of traction at acceleration and extra weight that ICE tires don't need. This also plays a big part if they get cold as they start slipping during acceleration.
Cold performance, fire resistant EV batteries exist. Trump wants to put a 200% tax on them.
What do you think his rockets are using for fuel to power the rocket engines!
Methane and Oxygen
Why don't they make the entire top of the car solar panels??? Manual charging should be an option, but not the first option.
Well, one reason: Assume that the could mount one or even two panels worth of solar on a car. Lets say 500 watts of panels. That means if the car was outside in optimal conditions, it could charge 4 KWH in an 8 hour period. 8 if it's outside all day... again optimally. A model Y has either a 60 or 75 KHW battery, so charging one from 0 to 100% would take 7 days to 9 days.
This would mean no sun roof and extra wight that may very well offset the savings. It also increases the cost of the vehicle.
Solar is all fine and well, but it takes a lot of square footage to make if practical for large energy needs. At most, it seems like you'd only offset 5 to 8% of electricity use. You certainly could not use on car solar exclusively. Your better off just putting solar on your home.
"Why don't they make the entire top of the car solar panels??? "
Because it's not worth it.
"Manual charging should be an option, but not the first option."
There's no manual charging. Either you plugin the car or you park on a wireless charging pad.
Check out the Aptera. It is covered in solar panels. For a car to be solar powered by its own panels, it has to be extremely efficient and light.
That APTERA is awesome! Currently 40 miles per sunny day! That's certainly reasonable for most people. In the USA simce the average drive to work is 42 miles. The average general commute is only 16 miles! This solar charge is in addition to the normal charge so at least, God forbid, if you run out of fuel out in the sticks, you still have a way to get "feul" to get to the next fueling station. That's better than anything a gad fueled or EV can give you today.
As for cost, like everything else , the cost will eventually come down to a few dollars. For example, a single multi million $ computer, that couldn't even do as much as a 2 inch calculator, took up an entire room. In less than 80 years, a smarter, standard calculator, can cost $1 and fit in your pocket!!!! A cell phone has millions of times more processing power than the 1946 ENIAC computer.
The Apteva is proof it can be done. Time will eventually make it affordable!
See Fisker Ocean....
...they're not around anymore.
🔌🎃 Beware of zombie-cars!
This ain't happening.
A life of blandness. The option is go from here to there. When I DRIVE SOMETIMES i SEE SOMETHING RANDOM AND CHANGE WHAT I WANT TO DO. RATHER THAN TURN THE WHEEL I WOULD HAVE TO ENGAGE IN A DISCUSSION WITH THE CAR. Booooring
The physics of global warming really cares about the views of Randroids.
Yay~~~~~~ 🎉
Calling Trump a free marketer is ridiculous. He picks winners and losers every chance he gets.
Letting the market decide between car types is more free than favoring one car over another. Where did I call him a free marketer?
@@TMIOTesla “…Trump is all for the free market…”
Yes, I suppose the context was the market choice of ICE vs EV, but even there, Trump’s economic policy is to favor the politing fossil fuel industry but not EV’s. Trump is far from promoting a level playing field here.
Every energy conversions from the coal or oil burning power plants burn more fuel than less as EVs are manufactured and used. Sure EVs may have nice toys but ICE are far more energy efficient as fewer energy conversions are used between the fuel burnt and the wheels. I would like to see a car that uses fuel and electricity more completely. Just think, cars that use both endothermic and exothermic electricity as well as complete stoichiometric conversions for automation. Wouldn't it be cool to have cars that made their own fuel or generated their own power. Go Trump! A clean market place void of government involvement. I hope I'm not dreaming.
The grid is slowly getting greener. The U.S. Department of Energy said that the carbon footprint of all U.S. electrical power sources combined has dropped to ~0.86 lbs-CO2/kWh. To compare an EV with a comparable gasoline powered equivilent we could compare a Tesla Model 3 that uses ~0.24kWh/mile of power (the last model year uses even less). The Model 3's gasoline powered equivilent is considered to be the BMW Series 3 that gets 30mpg. Burning one gallon of gasoline produces 20lbs of CO2. So the BMW will produce 20 lbs-CO2 over 30 miles or 30.3 tons-CO2 over 100k miles. The Tesla Model 3 will "produce" 30 mi × 0.24kWh/mi × 0.86 lbs-CO2/kWh = 6.19 lbs-CO2 over 30 miles or 10.32 tons-CO2 over 100k miles. So even with the added carbon footprint required to produce the lithium-ion battery for an EV. it will have a lower carbon footprint over its life than a gasoline powered equivilent. Some Tesla's are making it 200,000 to 300,000 miles, for even more carbon savings well after the carbon footprint of the battery has been "paid back". At 200k miles the Model 3, with the current grid, would priduce about 40 fewer tons-CO2 at the power plant than it's gasoline powered equivilent does at the tailpipe. Am MiT study on the carbon footprint of producing an 80 kWh Tesla battery had a range depending on the power sources used to mine and process the lithium but the average is 6.75 tons-CO2 for an 80 kWh battery. The Model 3 SR's battery is only 57.5 kW but for tje discussion lets say 80 kWh and 7 tons-CO2 to manufacture it. 0ver 200k miles, the Tesla would produce about 33.3 tons les CO2 then it's gasoline powered equivilent.
The U.K.'s grid is even cleaner at ~0.34 lbs-CO2/kWh.
@@garywozniak7742 You know by vaporizing and premixing the fuel while retarding the timing to 1 degree after TC the fuel consumption on an ICE vehicle can be drastically reduced while increasing the power output, reducing engine temp, and reducing engine blow-by particulate. This adjustment also eliminated HCx, NOx, CO, and SO2 while reducing the number one green house gas H2O. A stoichiometricly balanced efficient car should only produce CO2 and H2O in small quantities.
Here's another question... did you account for the CO2 produced by all the animals breathing in the world and correcting for the O2 consumption of plants found on the dark side of the globe? (Photosynthesis only happens in the daylight.) Did you know that gardeners use CO2 in their greenhouses to get bigger sweeter plants? The plant base on Earth keeps the CO2 level at around 0.04% at all times. Now H2O whole different ballpark and much higher levels are common. So, if we cut the CO2 more than man can currently produce it should brown up our globe as all the plants starve for CO2. Reducing the CO2 ratio reduces the amount of green foliage. Makes you wonder how much CO2 a dinosaur produced to keep himself in food plants.
When there's a shortage of electricity, we'll see what you've got to say.
Update the grid.
Also most charging is done at night when there's tons of excess capacity.
It takes electricity to refine, pump and pay for gasoline, and to run gas stations.
No electricity, no gasoline.
Everything on a gas vehicle runs on electricity. Without electricity, they're a brick.
Aren't tariffs the antithesis of free market? Why not let the Chinese bring in their $15k EVs to the US?
It’s free market inside of the United States. Our founding fathers never intended for the people to be directly taxed. Taxes were always supposed to be a derivative of corporate enterprise. Only in recent times have they instituted the income tax directed to individuals in 1913.
@@BigD4Real. The idea that the founders were some kind of all knowing supermen who could see into the future and design a government that would be efficiently applicable forever is ludicrous. They never anticipated that corporate power would be so great that it dominates every political decision . They also lived in a time when wealth inequality was maybe 500:1 between a farmer and a wealthy merchant. Now we live in a time when Elon Musk’s current wealth is more than 104,000 times greater than the LIFETIME earnings of a person earning $60k/year.
BOYCOTT TESLA
Forgotten are the people living far apart. Public charging needs to spread out so giant expensive vehicle batteries are not needed.
Tesla needs to fill the rural gaps with smaller charging stations at convenience stores, and lots of them.
Power them with battery packs to buffer local power limitations.
I don't think they're actually forgotten. You can travel pretty much anywhere in North America. Maybe a small rural subset is left out. But I was debating with a friend a few months ago, he was saying there was no where to charge at the national park he was going to (fairly rural area) and then we checked and there was a supercharger right smack in the middle of the park.
@@TMIOTesla Many areas like the south shore of Lake Superior can be traversed but you can't take side trips sightseeing, and that is why you went there. People also live there and their routes are very limited.
I can get to a few because I have home charging in the area.
All they need to do is lower the price of EVs and people won't have to be forced to buy them.
Who is forced to buy them They seem to be doing quite well on their own
Maga dumb fuck nobody is forcing people to buy evs.
,they have been threatening to require all vehicles sold be EV, for years. Fortunately, at least for now, that threat is being removed!
Roughly 40% of Tesla's profit comes from regulatory credits sold to ICE vehicle manufacturers.
Will they remain in place during the Trump Whitehouse/Congress.
The carbon credits are not American, they also apply to ICE vehicles produced across the world. No matter what the American political landscape is, these carbon credits will remain for the foreseeable future.
Credits from around the world. Legacy automakers have already started their death rattles. If they lose the subsidies they will only die faster, which benefits Tesla and other competent companies.
Why do these videos always neglect supply and demand? The more EVS are plugged in. the more expensive your electric bill becomes. Even if you don't own a electric vehicle.
Electric vehicles would make perfect sense inside of a big city but only if we upgrade our power grid.
I don't live in a big city and owning a electric vehicle would be suicide. Literally speaking.. I have to deal with blizzards, landslides and flooding.
There are many weeks out of every month in which I cannot go home. The only thing that's keeping me from suffering hypothermia is that gas engine.
Nobody is taking your precious gas engine away from you or your gas generator. The electric grid is not overburdened by EV cars. Studies have been done, that show EV adoption will not raise electric rates or compromise our electric grid. I live in the Sonoran desert which reaches 120F and is hot as hades from July to October 1 every year. Everyone is running air conditioning big time. Live in a community that has many EVs. We use level one charging to keep the electric grid safe, instead of level 2. There are super chargers available in town. You just plug in and in 20 minutes, you have an 80 percent charge from 10 percent. Your fear is unreasonable. There has been no mandate for you to give up your pollution spewing gasoline car or your generators, etc. Get real. I have no had one issue driving an EV and save about $100 per month compared to what I was paying for a gas car. My insurance rate for my EV per month is $103 per month. All the bad press and propaganda is clearly working that the oil indiustry put out, spending a billion on anti-EV social media plugs and advertising. Here in the desert, we install battery power walls that will run our home for days. We can install solar panels and charge our cars as well. Some brands of EVs allow you to power your house with the EV batter in the event of a power outage. Please by all means keep driving your internal combustion vehicle ( ICE) car.....you are free to do so. :)
"Why do these videos always neglect supply and demand? The more EVS are plugged in. the more expensive your electric bill becomes. Even if you don't own a electric vehicle. "
The more EVs being sold the more expensive will it be to produce ICE cars. And if the demand for electricity increases, so does the production of new power plants.
@yourcrazybear then why are they not building new power plants? Our power grid is insufficient for our current needs. Buy your logic they should have started building new power plants 15 years ago.
Eva have literally no impact on the grid when you compare data centers. Globally, this carries a massive electrical draw that makes EVs negligible. It’s literally an irrelevant talking point. 😂
@ryanreeves8931 supply and demand. There's not enough electric vehicles on the road to make a difference yet
I would buy an electric car and when I do it will not be a Tesla because of Elon Musk. Tesla is shooting itself in the foot with that idiot
Same here
"I would buy an electric car and when I do it will not be a Tesla because of Elon Musk. "
That's stupid way to make buying decisions.
"Tesla is shooting itself in the foot with that idiot"
You mean the highly successful company that have disrupted the entire industry thanks to one of the brightest people in the world? Yeah. Good luck with that comment.
@@tommycollier9172 "Same here"
You are free to make dumb decisions.
China is way ahead on making and adopting EV's they have already won the EV wars . That summon option is not really perfected neither is self driving but it's getting better all the time . Let the oil company's loose there incentive to .
You need to retake your English classes.
At both the rate of FSD improvement and adoption, my estimate is a complete crash of ICE vehicles in 2027 except for high performance and prestige vehicles.ICE cannot have FSD (supply chain issues) and with vehicle safety improving by double digit percentages , mitigating the insurable risk will financially force new vehicles to all be FSD/EV IMHO
" Range anxiety has largely become a thing of the past " .... ? .... are you kidding, range anxiety is one of the largest most significant CURRENT problems with electric cars.
Are you another person who doesn’t have an ev and claims there is range anxiety?
No, this is actually based on actual EV owner's reported range anxiety claims. I make no such claims because I don't drive an EV. I'm allowed to talk about things I see and hear, aren't I?
Calling BS. Link ? What brand EV’s ?
Maybe with other EVs. But my Model Y is powered up every morning.
I WONDER HOW MUCH THIS HORSESHIT STORY COST TO PUT INTO PRINT! NOBODY WANTS THESE THINGS INCLUDING MOST OVERSEAS MARKETS WHO REFUSE TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THESE ROLLING FIREBOMBS! CALL YOUR INSURANCE AGENT BEFORE YOU SPRING FOR ONE OF THESE EXPENSIVE HAZARDS! THEY ARE QUITE EXPENSIVE TO INSURE PLUS ADDED LIABILITY INS!
I thought this too but my leased model 3 ended up costing only slightly more for insurance than my old 2009 Honda. Love it so far.
This is an emotional response. The data shows the decline of sales. Meanwhile costs of a Tesla is substantially cheaper then it’s comparable ICE model with respect to finish out, performance and features. In the next 15 years you’ll see consolidation and the auto industry collapse across the world. Market dynamics. It’s happening despite your reluctance to accept the data.
My 21 model 3 was cheaper to insure than my Honda civic.my m3 has been the safest and most reliable car I have ever owned. Go kick rocks
You can shout as much as you like, but ICE cars are historie. Just like horse coaches and steam locomotives. Fit for hobbyists and museums.
Sure sure. But uhhhh. You do realize the only reason they are selling all their model Ys is because most people are getting $7500 free government subsidies right at point of sale. with out that even the most bare bones rwd model 3 is going to be $43k. Near $50k for a model y with out that government welfare check. also FSD , pretty cool, but I don’t know a single person that is willing to pay out-of-pocket yet for that. Just look at their current revenue from fsd subscription . Maybe a few weirdos like myself (if you think it’s cool) will pay 💰 . But most ppl are not going to pay a hundred bucks a month for that bullshit that can’t even get u through a 15 minute drive without intervention . Tesla will get there, but I think we need to be real about the timeline. That’s all.
Everybody forgets that if everyone had an EV and came home at the end of the day and plugged in, the grid goes down all night, we go to bed in the dark and no-one gets to drive to work the following day.
I love the idea of all electric cars but the infrastructure is just not there.
I would own one in a second if the battery and charge problems (which have not been adequately addressed) could be solved.
Schedule it to charge at night.
@@TMIOTesla That is what I am telling you.
If everyone wants to charge at night the grid cannot handle it and will go down.
The infrastructure needs to be improved to levels not even imaginable at this time. Anything else is a total fail.
How are we going to get this to happen?
🤣😂😅..SURE!
HA HA HA HA HA , You are a funny guy.
NIO is the future of EV’s
Nothing matters EXCEPT THE BATTERY. And the batteries are not ready for the real world.
Really? Please explain using facts, examples, vehicle models and stated battery chemistries. If you make a big claim then back it up.
Get a real battery!!
Who's going to buy ANYTHING when EVERYONE is out of work and no MONEY
Since the beginning of time, there always has been halves and have nots!!!! don’t lose any sleep over it. There’s a lot of lazy mo Fo’s that rather sit around and get high!
@@LehtusBphree2flyFPV that’s a load of crap
I call bs click bait
Why would I wanna ride in a car that I don’t have a control over? I wanna be able to immediately change my directions and not rely for some other machine or electronic device to do that for me.
Why would I wanna ride a car that has a limited range & have to worry if I’ll make it back to my destination and need to recharge for hours & wait for my car being recharged when I can drive a gas powered car and refuel in minutes?
Why would I wanna drive a car that can be controlled and shut off remotely by someone else ?
Why would I wanna drive a car whose other parts can’t be controlled manually if it’s necessary or if there’s an ‘emergency?
You can still do all those things, and choose when you want to take a nap in the back seat while the car drives.
Bullshit click bair
My God your are so stupid. No incentives means more ice sales. It's really ou rocket science.
"My God your are so stupid. "
Personal attacks are never valid arguments.
" No incentives means more ice sales. "
EVs are taking over, incentives or not.
"It's really ou rocket science."
You are free to rephrase that.
I will NEVER buy an EV! They are just boring. People who love driving will never accept an EV.
There are only two EV manufacturers, worldwide, that are making a profit. And that is mostly due to government subsidies. How long do you think that will continue?.
Look what happened in Germany. Subsidies removed, EV sales plummet.
Yes, never need to change oil, never need to go to smelly and expensive gas stations, hardly any routine maintenance to do, brakes will last for years, no gearboxes to breakdown. So fast and smooth to drive, they're boring! 😂😂
@@timforeuk7853 Nothing to do! that's BORING!
oilagarchy going down, get on board
@rcole2799 Not me. EV'S are doomed to fail.
@stephenvelden295 if that's what you want, you're welcome, and good luck to you!
Agreed, EVs are the future of personal transportation, ice cars are long overdue to be replaced. At a micro level the EV cars are a lot cleaner than an ICE car, no comparison. However, at a macro level, they are not so environmentally friendly either because of the sizeable battery size, granted they’re not using fossil fuel, but there is still environmental damage that is being done to produce the batteries and also to dispose of the batteries once the service life has been utilized. The EV from yesteryear, during the time with Nicola Tesla operated without any battery, instead they utilized a mechanism that Nicola Tesla move a few levers outside a box which allowed the car to get up and go. The use of the free energy that is around us needs to be opened up to today’s society.
If society is a whole is to evolve to the next stage of evolution, it is imperative that they cease the use of fossil fuels. Plus, the use of all the free energy around us is necessary to be utilized by society in as many ways as possible if we are to save the planet and ourselves too.
"At a micro level the EV cars are a lot cleaner than an ICE car, no comparison"
Micro level? EVs are cleaner.
"However, at a macro level, they are not so environmentally friendly either because of the sizeable battery size, granted they’re not using fossil fuel, but there is still environmental damage that is being done to produce the batteries and also to dispose of the batteries once the service life has been utilized. "
Incorrect. EVs are more environmentally friendly and batteries will get recycled.
"If society is a whole is to evolve to the next stage of evolution, it is imperative that they cease the use of fossil fuels. "
Incorrect. Society will always have a need for fossil fuels for the overseeable future. Some of the current use will get replaced with other technologies and some won't.
"Plus, the use of all the free energy around us is necessary to be utilized by society in as many ways as possible if we are to save the planet and ourselves too."
Save the planet? The planet doesn't need to be saved. Nor are the humans on it. Try to argue for your solutions having a factual discussion instead of lame doomsday prophecies.
Drill baby drill
and gasoline goes back to where it was $1.86 just before COVID-19 hit
so I asked AI (Perplexity) this question:
Q: compare the cost to drive 300 miles in a new RAV4 with gasoline at $1.86 vs a Tesla Model Y Long Range with the average price of a supercharger today
AI:
To compare the cost of driving 300 miles in a new Toyota RAV4 with gasoline priced at $1.86 per gallon versus a Tesla Model Y Long Range using today's average Supercharger cost, we need to calculate the fuel and electricity costs for each vehicle.
## Toyota RAV4
- **Fuel Efficiency**: The Toyota RAV4 has an average fuel efficiency of about 29 miles per gallon (mpg)[1].
- **Fuel Needed**: For 300 miles, the RAV4 would require approximately $$ \frac{300 \text{ miles}}{29 \text{ mpg}} \approx 10.34 $$ gallons of gasoline[1].
- **Cost at $1.86 per Gallon**: The total cost would be $$ 10.34 \text{ gallons} \times \$1.86/\text{gallon} = \$19.23 $$[2].
## Tesla Model Y Long Range
- **Supercharger Cost**: The cost to charge a Tesla Model Y Long Range at a Supercharger is approximately $0.10 to $0.19 per mile[3]. We'll use an average of $0.145 per mile for this calculation.
- **Cost for 300 Miles**: The cost would be $$ 300 \text{ miles} \times \$0.145/\text{mile} = \$43.50 $$.
## Comparison
| Vehicle | Cost to Drive 300 Miles |
|-----------------------|-------------------------|
| Toyota RAV4 (Gasoline)| $19.23 |
| Tesla Model Y (Electric)| $43.50 |
In this comparison, driving the Toyota RAV4 with gasoline priced at $1.86 per gallon is significantly cheaper than using a Tesla Model Y Long Range with current Supercharger rates. This highlights how gasoline prices and charging costs can influence the economic feasibility of driving different types of vehicles over long distances.
Citations:
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EVs are dead when gas gets back to where it should be
it costs a fortune to keep an EV running on a trip
You charge your car at home you more on. Just taking supercharger prices into consideration shows how dumb you are.
When energy costs go down, the cost of electricity will also go down. Will cost less to charge.
@@BackUp-z4t Your local electric company has all kinds of rules and regulations as to when price can change and that has little to do with the price at a Supercharger - it's whatever elon wants to charge.
My wife has the Rav4 and I have the Model Y, and I drive every road trip. Cuts the cost down from $80 a trip to $10.
And for her it's free!
@@TMIOTesla My 2022 Tesla Model Y Long Range gets 3.5 miles per kWh over 2.5 years of use.
AI reports that the cost of a Supercharger is 28 cents across the US.
That means for me to drive 300 miles takes 86 kWh at 28 cents = $24
When Gasoline gets back to $1.86 and a RAV4 gets 29 miles per gallon that costs = $19.24
It won't take long after January 20, 2025 before gasoline is below $2/gal again and owning an EV will cost more than ICE.
Last February it was -9F in St. Louis and my app says the Tesla got 2.8 miles per kWh so that 300 mile trip would cost $30 and the RAV4 would cost about the same $19.