Praey for the Gods (Zero Punctuation)
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- This week on Zero Punctuation, Yahtzee reviews Praey for the Gods.
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this video will make some people mad, lol. but i definitely agree, when i was watching markiplier play it i knew i wasnt ever gonna buy it, and the "no saving after 6 am" dogshit put the final nail in the coffin
This was old school Yahtzee. I almost feel sorry for the game's developers. It's obviously been a while since Yahtzee so expertly ripped a game to shreds. I wonder what he has been up to lately? Playing JRPG's no doubt!
I was wondering, you gonna play Elden ring when it comes out? ( if you ever were asked this I missed its answer)
Actually, Yahtz, they did nearly get taken to court for heaving "Prey" in the name.
Fun Fact: Ian Dorsch (the guy who wrote ZP's theme music) is credited as the composer for this game, Praey for the Gods. I even double checked IMDB to make sure it was the same guy. No joke, it really is! Small world, eh? 🌎
Huh, neat!
What a legend
Really? Maybe he forgot to have his work credited under a pseudonym?
@@OldJerzyDevil why would he? I’ve heard his work pop in on other games before and it seems he’s a pretty prolific musician.
THAT IS A FUN FACT. IM GOING TO CRAM TJST TIDBIT IN MY FUNHOLE
But oh-ho, Yahtzee, there WAS a parachute in Shadow of the Colossus! It was just gated behind the time trials and/or a difficulty setting, iirc. One of the last little nuggets they threw at you too. Of course, that meant you probably wouldn't play with it much since you've already effectively played the game through like 3 times over, but it meant you can finally jump off cliffs or the secret rooftop garden and survive.
In other words, so pointless it makes you wonder why they bothered.
Bold of you to assume we wanted to survive, at this point!
@@JABRIEL251 cause it's fun? it's not like it fucked the game up adding it, it was a bonus after the fact. So pointless that it makes me wonder why they bothered is the fucking horse stamina gauge in witcher 3 since it's only relevant during the races, whose rewards are increasing the stamina gauge for the horse, and it makes the rest of the game ever so slightly more of a slog
@@blitheringape5321 you don't really notice it. i didn't. stamina doesnt decrease on roads and i rarely ever ride roach off roads.
It's a reward for Hard Mode's time attack, which means you can access it after 2 times through the game.
If you enjoy the game enough to have played it two times through, then you would likely enjoy playing a third time through but with these new goodies like whistling arrows, exploding arrows, and the parachute. I know that I did.
SotC was defined by its commitment to minimalism, removing everything that didn't support its core themes. This game takes that concept even further, by removing the minimalism.
SotC had those little lizards and some fruit, as I recall. It's been like 17 years since I played it but I remember there being some extra goodies if you happened to... Wander.
😎
...and the fun.
I find it interesting how Yahtzee’s criticism of crafting elements and open world games actually encourage a reduced workload for game developers. He’d prefer one or two things done beautifully rather than a whole bunch of passably mediocre elements crammed into one game. I think it would be a good direction for single player games to go
I feel The Last of Us did this really well. Fantastic atmosphere through storytelling, voice acting and soundtrack. Minimalist crafting and combat really. If you really wanted to craft you could run around and loot everything to make your run easier, but you didn't really need to do it to survive. Hell, except for a very few instances you actually didn't need to fight at all in TLOU.
You just perfectly described Pokemon: Legends Arceus. Bravo 👏
@@hereskyubi3333 Yeah the art design team, asset creators and whoever was in charge of the textures certainly didn't push themselves too much
@@nix2939 wouldn't be surprised if they took assets from BOTW. The similarities are uncanny, especially with the in game map.
"Unlike some games I could Cyberpu-- i mean mention"
Man Yahtzee must’ve had a field day coming up with all the alternate names for the game
Exactly 🤩
Pogger for the Gogger really rolls off the tongue.
@@Squibscirus I thought that was best until I noticed that it precludes pogo for the gogo, which would have been superb
The glitter pig analogy actually made me stop folding my laundry and think for a second. That was perfect.
Yeah, it's spot on XD
In what way?Some of his jokes fly over my heads,& people who actually know comedy better (like Razorfist for example) are quantum phisicists in my eyes.
Survival crafting is basically the "we ran out of ideas" style of gaffer tape on a sinking ship for most games.
The problem with Survival Crafting is that it's a very weighty mechanic that typically requires a lot of consideration to implement well. So slapping it in a game as just another feature will almost never end well.
And for a struggling game, to use your ship analogy, it's like installing a new boiler on the Titanic as it's going down.
It's gotta be a center piece of the game for sure. Regular crafting is one thing, but when it's baked into a survival element, you'd better damn well be sure it's got a purpose or else the gamers will optimize it right out of the experience!
And then there's the issue of games just suffering for it when something could work perfectly well without. Don't make me grind resources to use when they're an integral part of the core loop! E.g. Bloodborne was amazing, but farming blood vials after you got pancaked one too many times was such a low point in the game. I liked being able to convert resources, but the farming aspect was just extra punishment that didn't add anything.
When gaffer tape actually represents itself in-game
This is especially true when stuff you craft break way too easily.
You made an axe. Now you can chop down 20 trees, then you get to make a new axe. Yaaay... -_-'
To be fair shadow of the colossus with a grappling hook sounds sick as fuck
You'd have to rebalance the fights around it though or it would just trivialize everything
Good news, your grappling hook has durability and can break mid-fight. So it only trivializes things if you're already good at the game.
It's called "Attack on Titan"
Yeah that's what i thought. And yet they fucked it up. THEY FUCKED UP SOTC WITH A GRAPPLING HOOK LAUNCHER. The fucking things break after like 5 uses and you have to go find more sticks to make a new one. He wasn't joking. I couldn't believe how fast their durability goes down, and also how awfully crammed in the survival elements like food/cold are. I went back and restarted the game on the setting where they have the least impact on the game because even just in the start they were getting fucking tedious. In a game where you want to explore, you shouldn't be freezing to death because you wanted to check out what was out in the blizzard off the main path... especially when it turns out there IS stuff there but your grappling hook broke on the way back so you have to slowly climb up the cliffs instead ugh.
This game was on Kickstarter since 2015 and it feels like that cause all the crafting stuff would have been more immersive when it was still a novel concept. Also shame about the trademark issues on Prey, cause Prey to the Gods is a damn good name.
I don't think crafting was that novel a concept in 2015 was it?
@@stpirate89 well... maybe the tail end of the trend ?
@@stpirate89 No. No it was not. Crafting and survival hasn't been a NOVEL concept for two decades. I mean, it can and will still be done well and enhance a game, in a game that's well suited to them and where they are well implemented in them. The problem is that every Tom, Dick, and Sue wanting to pad out their game by shoving them in. At least in Prey to the Gods, they could see how ill fitting those mechanics were since you can just straight up turn most of them off.
@@stpirate89 Minecraft came out in 2009 and everyone was enamored by it.
And it was only made by a few people
A key binding principle of Shadow of the Colossus was its minimalism; the fact that the gameplay features were so limited and that there was limited UI and that there was nothing in the world besides you, the Colossi and the small lizards with everything leading to the one objective was key to what made it stand out so particularly.
Trying to remove the minimalism it seems only really makes this less defined focus wise
As a kid i had 0 clue the lizard were a thing an the game was so hard but loved it haha
I think the problem here is that a lot of people complain about SotC is that was completely empty save for the colossus fights, so it makes sense that someone would try to make a SotC spiritual successor but that is not completely empty save for the colossus fights.
@@danilooliveira6580 Honestly I really liked the emptiness except for the colossi. Really don't understand why some would hate it, unless they're the type of person that needs constant stimulation lest they begin to remember Father O'malley and his private study.
@@danilooliveira6580 I am one of those people. World was a waste of time, and colossi weren't good enough to make me less angry about wasted time.
@@soulssurvivor3455 same, riding in the amazing atmosphere trying to see what I could find, be it a lizard or a good view, was enough for me to enjoy the downtime. but I get why it wouldn't work for some people.
Shadow of the Colossus + Breath of the Wild might sound good on paper but those are different genres for a reason.
Sonic Frontiers could brush that edge, but hopefully they can at least avoid crafting
Shadow of the Wild? Breath of the Colossus?
I really enjoyed the combination, especially since the hookshot is missing from BotW. The only problem with the game is how often you need to hunt- last time I played, I hunted all the animals and they didn't respawn, so bang goes that run.
I don't disagree but what two genres are those?
I feel like Dragon's Dogma is a spiritual predecessor to Breath of the Wild and it also has you climb your bosses to target weakpoints if you want to. Climbing onto a chimera's ass and cutting off the snake tail does not get old...until you start fighting Gorchimeras and they start regenerating their lost heads
“Oh this game looks cool.”
*crafting mechanics
“Shame. that game looked pretty cool.”
Crafting mechanics are most definitely over used in games these days. And in most games, they’re little more than an annoying time suck.
"Sprinkles on a pig does not make the bacon tastier." - Yahtzee 2022
Saying the year and the person's name makes the joke so much funnier!
I read the title of the game and just heard Yahtzee pronouncing it in my head. Watching the vid, it's exactly how I expected him to pronounce it.
Yahtzee, it's incredible how the series have been going for so long, and your physical/cut-based/puppetry comedy is still so fresh. The pig shocked by the cleaver was such an unneccessary, but indispensable gag.
Shadow of the Colossus does actually have a parachute, you just have to complete some challenges for it
"Prolapse of the Gut" had me rolling
That little kiss in the end had me in stitches.
They shoulda called it "Præy for the Gods"
that is how its called, but I think sometimes they don't allow the character in some places.
@@danilooliveira6580 Shæme
@@emilytheimp stop writing like thæt
@Mike Hawk
Næ
"You're looking jolly hookshottable thi- oh shit let me make another one"
"Huh, that's weird, a typo in a ZP video."
*starts video*
"Oh. Oh I see."
Ubisoft threatened the devs with copyright infringement suit because they are bastards
@@willdyer9688 Right? I could ALMOST (but not quite) understand if it was just called "Prey". But no, it literally just had the word prey in the title. And to top it off, it's not even remotely competition for Prey 2019. Completely different genre and target audience. Ubisoft just loves showing their ass in every possible situation.
@@willdyer9688 Wasn't it Zenimax?
At this point Prey is just a cursed name in game design
I'd love to see a Generation Zero review. It's a survival/fps that takes the minimalist route to survival on the basic premise of don't die but not making you focus on food or water. It also has a pretty cool story that is rold more through the scenery and environment than through dialog, although there is some of that.
I feel like two birds could've been killed with one stone by putting grappling hooks in all the treasure chests.
I think the problem here is that a lot of people complain about SotC is that was completely empty save for the colossus fights, so i makes sense that someone would try to make a SotC spiritual sucessor but that is not completely empty save for the colossus fights.
*Zero Punctuation indie rock track of the week:*
*Grapple Into My Heart* by the *Friendship Hookshots*
The actual reason its called "Praey for the Gods" and not "Prey for the Gods" is because Bethesda basically threatened to sue them and they didn't want do deal with that.
It was actually Zenimax, not Bethesda.
That box art is r/maliciouscompliance if I ever saw it lmao
"What, it's not an E. It's a praying lady. Fuck off. Also it's in a different color to highlight that it totally isn't an E. Fuck off again"
Obscure but awesome reference using the face of WG Grace as the 'god' in this animation - Monty Python used the same face to depict God in The Holy Grail.
When I was a kid I always wanted some kind of minions that I could beat the shit out of in-between Colossus fights, but now I can understand how much purer and more refined the game is without anything else in it. There's the lizards you can hunt and the traversal space between you and the next Colussus, and that's your lot.
"The parachute uses stamina!" Isn't that ENTIRELY counterintuitive? The whole purpose of the chute would be to have a safe landing in the event you DON'T have stamina and you fall off the beast.
It's like a scenario of, "Oh, you gambled too much at the roulette table and you ran out of money? Well, you'll need to buy some more tokens to get out of the casino."
I gave this a go YEARS ago at this point, and it was so horrendously optimised that it was borderline unplayable. Maybe I'll give it another go now it's released properly. Or maybe I'll just go play Shadow of the Colossus again.
I didn't touch it until it was out of early access, and I was very impressed. It was well balanced and optimized, and a lot of fun. Highly recommend.
"Pride parade for the gay" KILLED! ME!
🏳️🌈
This must be that gay agenda I've been hearing about!
/s
Admittedly, the title is kinda clever in that Æ legit used to be a letter in the English language, and was pretty much the sound that the E in Prey makes.
A lot of people forgot about one HUGE detail about this game that forced the developers to use the ridiculous word "Praey" in the title. Bethesda & Zenimax actually sued the makers of "Praey for the Gods" & claimed that it infringed on their copyright for Arkane Studios' Prey game. Their lawsuit forced the developers to change the name!
-Welcome to the McOpenworld Game what's your order?
-I would like a grappling hook please.
-Sorry, grappling hook machine broke.
"Praey for the gods" is a pun, in german.
in german " ae " is an alternative version to write " ä " and that sound similar to the " e " in "prey".
It's not a god pun.
"It's not a god pun."
but THAT was lol
Praey looks like a Britishism which I thought was what they were going for
Excellent review! Some of the superb descriptive comparisons to things made me laugh a whole bunch
If there was a robot that posted comments on every zero punctuation it would be this
Ah, the love letter to an older game that adds mostly unnecessary things to differentiate itself. Sounds like it isn't exactly a bad time though.
Before playing the video, I guessed Yahtzee was going to have a nice, drawn out "ae" in his pronunciation of "praey". Was not disappointed!
Excuse me, shadow of the colossus HAS A PARACHUTE
There is a parachute in SotC, you just have to unlock it from the Time Attack mode.
So early in the year and we may have a peak of genius with 'Pride Parade for the Gays' 🤣❤️
As a parading gay from your home shores allow me to recommend Strange Horticulture for the Yahtzee take on a little indie gem.
2:36 Yahtzee never did the time trials I see. A parachute was the reward for beating 14 colossi on Hard mode within a time limit. Funnily called "The Cloth of Desperation"
I get that this channel is to make fun of games, been watching a long time (well before yahtzee was on youtube).
With that said... I have to say I think this game is down right fantastic. I bought it back when there was only a couple gods to battle and fell in love. I just picked it back up because the 1.0 release finally came out. And I still love it.
I personally enjoy playing it on the ultimate hardest. The game has 2 settings... battle difficulty, and survival difficulty. So you can play hard enemies with light survivial or light enemies with hard survival or just balls to the wall hard everything.
And I play balls to the wall hard everything.
You gotta sleep, you gotta eat, you gotta craft, you gotta everything.
It's downright FANTASTIC.
On the easier settings these features seem tacked on a little, especially the crafting and what not. And I can see that being like "why is this even here?". But on the ultimate hard settings its a freaking experience and I freaking love it.
I get it might not be for everyone. If you don't like crafting... ok. But I mean the crafting in this isn't really that complicated. It's not minecraft crafting... it's like Zelda BOTW crafting in that really it's repairing your equipment and if it breaks completely you can make a club or the sort out of sticks. Which makes sense since shadow is a sort of homage to zelda style games beefed up and distilled. This game is just "well zelda added new things since the PS2 era, lets add them here".
If you like Shadow of the Colossus, and you want more of it but cranked up in difficulty on every front, play this at max pain levels.
I get lost for hours in this game just pretending I'm struggling in this frozen waste land. Contemplating if I can make it up that cliff or across that river to see if a secret is hiding in that cave I can sort of see through the thick snow blasting in my face.
...
TLDR;
This game is Shadow of Colossus with a bit of Zelda BOTW tossed in. The so-called "crafting" is more in line with the breakable weapons in BOTW than it is with say "crafting" in most games like say valheim or minecraft.
I guessing they were going for PrÆy for the gods, but Steam doesn't allow the character.
>Yahtzee mentions parachute would have been nice in Shadow of the Colossus
No one tell him
*NO ONE TELL HIM*
If you are a giant among titans, are you larger or smaller than the titans? Like, if you are the size of a giant, titans will tower over you but if you are giant in comparison to titans, then you are the bigger fish.
One thing that's often overlooked about this game is that is was only made by THREE PEOPLE (last I checked). That doesn't make it immune to criticism but given how good the game looks it's pretty astonishing
Took one look at the title and thought "mans gonna have a field day with that one".
Please consider adding either your individual episodes or your annual compilations to spotify, I'm sure many of us would love to listen to them like a podcast.
Fun fact: Shadow of the Colossus did have a parachute, you just had to put in the work.
Shadow of the Colossus was pretty famous for leaving out as many features as they could to keep the focus on the colossi fights so it's an odd choice to take that game and add crafting onto it.
"Poger for the goger" Godamn gold
From the sounds of this review, they did good. They did something right and tried something new. They don't seem to have succeeded in Yatzs eyes, but we have to applaud the effort or little Timmy's indie game will never be dreamt.
It would be interesting to here his thoughts on The Pathless as thats another feels like SoC game. Though not as boss fight focused.
Considering the Kickstarter for this game was in 2016, that it came out at all was surprising.
- I loved the grapple and parachute additions to the Shadow of the Colossus gameplay (that was the selling point for the Kickstarter).
- Hard agree that there needed to be more giant monster fights and less survival.
- I found that you could do them in any order if you found their lair by exploring, so the indicator just showed the next recommended one.
- At least they circumvented weapon breakage by making the weak points a lever instead of a "stab here" mark.
- The lore was definitely hard to find, but the exploration puzzles could be fun.
For real though, I remember the newsletter that CS me out saying they had to change to title because the creators of “Prey” contacted them saying they couldn’t.
There was a parachute in SotC...
As soon as I saw the title I knew what the first joke would be.
I think the devs honestly thought the game NEEDED this extra stuff just out of obligation rather than it actually needing them. And i kinda absolutely hate that.
Prolapse of the guts would be a great goregrind band name
0:30 Our Lord and Saviour, Obi-Wan.
Shadow of a Colossus had a parachute it just was an unlockable on the second playthrough.
I’d love to see crafting like this get lampooned in a game. Maybe a minor NPC insists on crafting their own tools, and while hookshotting alongside you to escape something or other, it unceremoniously breaks for them, causing them to plummet and splatter majestically like cherry jello thrown into a ceiling fan on high speeds.
this game sounds like a halfway point between shadow of the colossus and monster hunter, but both of those games are good for how hard they commit to their concepts that this one can't compare just by definition of not having a strong enough core identity that it could commit to
There is a parachute in Shadow of the Colossus, you just have to unlock it
"The Giant Balls Event Horizon" is gold.
The funny thing is the PS4 remake of Shadow of the Colossus had a parachute as an unlockable.
I actually loved this game. It's basically Shadow of the Collossus + Zelda + Nordic Mythology. Maybe it's not for everyone, but I really enjoyed it, including the crafting/survival elements that others might not.
Ohhh odd thought on a shadow of the colossus style game. A monster island game. you are an agent for goverment/corperation that's studying the Kaiju like creatures and your sent in because the facility has gone dark. the island has several different bioms some of the more extreme ones are because of the kaiju in them, the snowy biom exists because of the massive frost giant roaming through it. You rescue scientists, and researchers to learn the Kaiju's weaknesses, to learn what you need to escape, the information your bosses wanted and other things. you can pick and chooses how you want to proceed some monsters can be bypassed entirely, others will come to the aid of another unless you do something first destroying one monster might make another more aggressive or have them move territory possibly changing the boim of the terrain. Destroy the afformentioned frost giant and the slime beast from the swamps might take over leading to that frozen section to become an extended swamp
As soon as I read the name of the game being reviewed I was like "wow that's a stupid name I'll bet yahtzee shits all over it." Was not disappointed.
The name change wasn't really their choice. Mid-development (when Bethesda was about to release the 2017 Prey), Bethesda/ZeniMax filed a trademark dispute over the use of the word "Prey". The devs decided not to fight it. You may remember Bethesda/ZeniMax for similar trademark trolling in the past, when they claimed Mojang's "Scrolls" was too close to "The Elder Scrolls". Bethesda sued Mojang, which was eventually settled out of court by Mojang agreeing to pay a license fee to use the word as their title.
The best part of that Bethesda and Mojang debacle was Notch proposing to settle it via a match of Quake 3. Bethesda said no, because they hate fun.
Holy shit. I've never seen a quake ogre that zoomed in
What childhood trauma compelled Yahtzee to photoshop W.G.Grace as a colossus?
W G looks the business though, awesome.
Probably too much Monty Python
Shadow of the Colossus did have a parachute though, it was a reward for a time trial on Hard Mode.
As soon as I saw the spelling I knew this was going to be a good one. 😆
Clicked and watched just to hear the man say that title out loud.
“Building hunting” *flashback to Rick and Morty”
*sniffs*
“There’s a craftsman nearby, I can smell it”
So some quick explanations for this game, personally I enjoyed it, then again I play xbox games so even not awful games are few and far between, the rest being just awful. Firstly the æ thing is a nordic reference frame 1, the game is norse inspired as apparent from the runes, the norns beneath the temple, fenrir and nordic way finders that unlock map fragments
The world is not just randomly fucked, it is in the time of fimbulvinter, this can be assumed because of the ice. I believe that the story behind this is the main character trying to bring about ragnarock, as the final fight is clearly just dragging surtur and the fire giants down to mix surtur with the snowy bits. On top of that the penultimate boss is just straight up loki.
Otherwise I agree with most of this, Im just not willing to dish out 1k to buy a ps5 so that I can play SotC
This isn’t a triple a game so it won’t get as many views, but this one of my favorite yahtzee rants
It's so dishearting that we've all gotten so used to massive corps trademarking common words that no one even comments on it anymore.
shout out to all my Balham crew!
Best part for me here was I just came from watching a Michael Sheen clip from Conan.
Shadow of the Colossus does have a parachute.
If you felt that the Sekiro review undercut your desire to get wasted, then this is the review for you: take a shot every time Yahtzee says "Shadow of the Colossus".
Wasn't there an unlockable parachute in shadow of the colossus? Or was that some unused content?
It was either in NG+ or the remastered version, can't remember
@@Malganis85 You have to kill 14 colossi in the Hard Time Attack mode
You know for all the points against Praey for the Gods. I’m still interested in it because no game has come since shadow of the colossus to even try and recreate the gameplay.
Closest that came was “The Pathless” which is really good too.
You should try Eldest Souls. It's pretty challenging, but the pixel art is gorgeous and I love that it has the same thing that shadow of the colossus has where it's just several big battles instead of a bunch of fights all over the place.
Ever get around to trying it? If so how was it
Sotc does have parachute. It’s unlock-able in time challenges.
Just fyi
Beyond even Shadow of the Colossus, Cuphead proved that even in this day and age of gaming endless boss battles can make an amazing game.
I get the impression Yahtzee was making the mad starey face the entire time he was writing / recording this review.
iirc it WAS originally going to be called prey for the gods, but there was either a lawsuit or threat of lawsuit involved
Threatened, yes.
I remember yhatzee complaining about shooting lizards being stupid during the colossus review. I think PFTG came really close to solving that with the puzzles, then messed it up right at the end with +5 shoes, rather than a stamina increase
This is one of your funniest reviews, bravo!
+100 pts. for PrAEire for the Dogs lmao
Man I love the ZP theme song but I just realised now how much it kicks ass in 1.25X speed!
Sneaking in a PSA during the end credits you sneaky sneak ? ;7
That other other game (Prey ²⁰¹⁶) was pretty awesome
I was so hyped seeing this in PAX years ago. Then after seeing everything it had to offer I felt it would just make me lust for more shadow of the colossus.
...so I probably should have remembered I had it on x2 before loading a Yahtzee video.
Yahtzee “finally some good content”