They are a huge nerf to attacking chargers on truck challenging other backliners on snipe. If you were a splatling and an E-liter got on the front of their team's truck, you had absolutely nowhere to stand other than peeking around your single slab of cover, which sees a tiny sliver of zone and not much else. Now you can actually use snipe to control the zone, grates, and your own truck.
@@novinovi- because it makes the map feel bigger and like you have more options. even backliners benefit from flank routes because they can sometimes give them extra positions to stand at and oversee different parts of the map.
I feel like the devs need to both, have more inkable walls and use more sponges Also the problems with Splatoon 3's maps are too big to be fixed with just adding some more bumpers and blocks, the maps are still overly linear with unavoidable choke points
it wasn’t cheese it was just using the terrain to the fullest, the fact they removed it limits people’s strategies for play further. splatoon devs dumb for that one.
They're trying to do ANYTHING to fix Crab Tank without actually nerfing the Crab Tank itself. Stick poles and random walls into maps to prevent crabs from covering space. Make it so several specials deal more damage SPECIFICALLY to Crab Tank. It's honestly really silly and I'm wondering what else they could possibly do.
For real, and the only nerf that Crab or Splash have gotten in 6 months of dominating the meta is going from 9 seconds base duration to 8 seconds. I don't know what the devs seemingly have against giving one or both of them a proper nerf, or why they seem to be neglecting flank routes, but hopefully something changes soon, because I don't think what they've done will actually have a meaningful impact
@@chkensammich We might get another patch in a month instead of a month and a half, either way they did more good than damage with this patch… which is something at least.
When you put it that way, it ends up reminding me of how Nintendo went about dealing with main power up, rather than just directly removing 'damage up' they just made the weapons that took advantage of that damage up buff, weaker in other areas, especially ink efficiency. It just goes to show how obtuse Nintendo is at fixing problems, and it makes me question whether they're taking the design of these games seriously or not.
Mako mart has a flank so crab is already bad on that map. But the the huge “f*ck you” sign made me laugh. the “F*ck you” Car had me in tears and the “F*ck you” pole in mid in Wahoo world made me cry
it's definitely not the worst that could have happened, but these changes feel extremely rushed and really only a temporary fix for the problem. i'm a backline player (hydra most often) and i honestly just think setting up good perches and then placing a giant obstruction in the way is just bad map design. not because it makes it harder to see everything, but because an obstruction so close to the player is just going to make them frustrated and go somewhere else. now you have a pointless perch that would be better off not existing. the point of nerfing is to make using a weapon more fair; not more frustrating. i want more flanks, with multiple perches that, due to the geometry of the map (rather than a random sign dropped in your face), means that i need to move between them to watch all paths. i want to feel like i'm not being forced to just stay in one spot the entire game, i want to feel like i'm playing in a dynamic gamestate and can rotate in response. and just walking across the grate onto the right truck in mincemeat doesn't count. basically? i want The Reef.
Yeah. As a charger main, it’s weird to me that their solution is to limit back-liner options, as opposed to giving front-liners more ways to fight against back-liners.
My headcannon is that the devs saw Chara's video about map design & how popular it got & then had very little time to try to implement at least a few of those designs. If this is somehow within the realm of reality, then the next patch for map changes & whatnot might actually be great overall.
genuinely unless nintendo hires a new game design team i think this game is doomed. they already messed up on release and 3 of the release specials are outclassed by new specials, or replaced entirely such as kraken>slider and stamp or super chump replacing missiles, inkjet being really mid, etc.
@@BenDover-yv1cwthat's the problem Skill floor became much lower because charger doesn't need to watch for flanks and basically becomes "if you don't have ninja or specials, this area is blocked for you"
@@mxwit2466 super chump is definitely not replacing missiles. Super chump is easily destroyed and very weak whereas missiles are infinite range and provide tracking
The fact that they found a way to make Eeltail _worse still_ gives me very little hope for future updates like this. The only good version of the map we've ever seen was in the pre-release trailer and the only seem capable of downgrading it from that.
I usually play turf war and Eeltail has gotten even more frustrating to play on. The signs are really annoying to play with because they make the bottom even more cramped and make the left side kind of useless imo, because things like trizooka can’t get the same value as they once did while splatlings are stronger now because they have a smaller area to cover and have less chances to get splatted. Also removing the ramp is so dumb, because now the only way to get back into the base if you want to retreat is over a dumb uninkable mini hallway.
@@pikapower_kirby I think it was a sudden change in philosophy: as a bunch of different maps from the trailers also got worse when they transitioned into the main game. Like this isn’t the ineffectual bumbling of a bad dev team, this is an active decision they’re making about the game. My theory is that they want the tournaments to look like the trailers. In a game as competitive as Splatoon, the tournaments become the advertisement, they become the marketing. So when the actual marketing doesn’t look like how the game is played at top level we have a problem. So solution: we make the maps in a way that would only allow messy battles in one area at one spot. That way the tournaments look like a more advanced version of the original trailers.
Here's the funny shit, those poles don't stop chargers, the "sight line blocks' don't work, chargers can still shoot UNDER them and hit you from the other side.
I also noticed on Hagglefish that the side route heading toward the alley has opened up a bit. Instead of being a useless indent, they enlarged it and removed one of the blocks for easier access
That's a good thing to counter but I feel like (especially on Wahoo) the changes kinda hurt other specials, like Reefslider. These feel like such odd changes overall
There should be a Splatoon meme match where a televised competitive match everyone gathers at the Wahoo World pole like the ginch who stole Christmas. To giggle to themselves about the baffling choices of "map changes" while everyone squidbags in solidarity than both teams all jump on an autobomb and match starts. Because those polls almost feel like a troll job. Fr. We want flank route. We get polls. Make the meme 🤣 It would be too good
He went through the maps so quickly that the changes didn't actually register before having to go back. Not terrible, to be fair a lot of these changes are pretty minuscule, but it probably would've been better if he didn't have to flip back and forth. Lol For those that haven't noticed them, here: The block in the middle has been reshaped to a Z on hammerhead and a block was moved to the side, along with some more squid bumpers throughout the map. The pillar holding up the rotating platforms on Museum are much thinner + some blocks got added [whoopie]. I believe there were some signs and a wall that was opened as well. The second ramp on the other side of spawn in Mako besides the signs being added. In Hagglefish an entire wall was broken down, less inkable cover and a step to the tent perch, + the grate on the side being extended a little more to make that jump easier [I assume]. + pole. Eeltail having an _entire ramp_ removed and re-placed up the wooden roof building, making it harder to get up to the enemy's spawn and turning the glass walkway into a choke point. + the inkable block now moved from the corner to the center of the walls to climb over them easier, along with the signs. Probably the most drastic one to change, in my opinion. Wahoo world .... Pole. + the walls are much bigger than they were previously, and the ledge around the zone as well, I believe. Mincemeat .... Cars and a balloon. Mahi ... Pole.
One other thing is that the rotating platforms in spawn on museum were changed to be smaller. The outer portions were stripped in some modes and the top by the grates were shortened.
The whole earth shifted just so they don’t have to directly nerf a single shooter called: splashingtonsplatonomaticspudnikstein the 1st. This scares me on how much they care for shooters
Guys today I tried joining Chara's discord but I'm having problem with my phone number "being already registered on another account" Do you know how to solve this problem?
Even with Eel tail ally how it is and I do hope it gets fixed I'll still play it and won't call it unplayable. I just feel if maps aren't perfect then they are outcast too fast and hard by meta. I say the main problem is the maps being too smashed, too rectangular, and lack of routes any basic map dev for a shooting game should know. If theses maps had more flanks or just like 20% wider or longer the problems like E liters and Snipers be less a problem.
Players - "We have a number of suggestions regarding the map! Perhaps you should put up a poll..."
Devs - "Will do."
Lmao
Splatoon Players: We want maps that aren’t just one giant choke point and actual flank routes please.
Splatoon Devs: P O L E
Pfp Sauce (Artist)? 🗿
SANDBAGS/BALLOON
But all we wanted was inkable platforms and walls that we also stand on--
*_NO_*
@@SimoneBellomonte Ciao, ti seguo da quando ripostavi hentai su twitter
"Here! Have the Squid Roll and Squid Surge for more wall movement options!"
"Okay, but where do I use them?"
"That's the neat part, you don't!"
I'll bet good money the surge spot Chara discovered in museum was a complete accident
@@adrianoctavio 100%. the map designers don't understand the movement options in this game, just look at the mast on s3 manta maria...
the cars on mincemeat are actually a charger buff, the way they’re angled you can still shoot under them but you get cover 😂
Yep 😂
now I still can't use grates in mid 😂
They are a huge nerf to attacking chargers on truck challenging other backliners on snipe. If you were a splatling and an E-liter got on the front of their team's truck, you had absolutely nowhere to stand other than peeking around your single slab of cover, which sees a tiny sliver of zone and not much else. Now you can actually use snipe to control the zone, grates, and your own truck.
@@celestialspark5697 I mean they do block some view but there is still a sizable window you can peak your shot under
This video should be on main channel 💀
Are these all of the changes btw?
Car on a stick is the funniest thing I've seen in any video game. The buildup to the punchline, the subversive nature, it's all perfect.
You can put a sprinkler on the pole in wahoo and make a bootleg ultra signal
💀
Bootleg Ultra Signal- LMAOOOO
Nah I'm 2 feet in the grave after this one 💀💀💀
splatoon 3 map design test, add a useful flank option; challenge level: impossible
At this point as an eliter main even I’m begging for more flank routes
@@novinovi-same here
@@novinovi- because it makes the map feel bigger and like you have more options. even backliners benefit from flank routes because they can sometimes give them extra positions to stand at and oversee different parts of the map.
@@pokaay3163 yeah and I’d rather be on my toes from multiple routes possible flanks could be coming in, in Leiu of this madness
also add a car on a stick
I feel like the devs need to both, have more inkable walls and use more sponges
Also the problems with Splatoon 3's maps are too big to be fixed with just adding some more bumpers and blocks, the maps are still overly linear with unavoidable choke points
I like how he hasn't noticed that they made certain cheesy walls uninkable like the sides of Museum's spinners and the blocks in Eeltail zones
They made more walls uninkable in this patch?
it wasn’t cheese it was just using the terrain to the fullest, the fact they removed it limits people’s strategies for play further. splatoon devs dumb for that one.
that’s lame asf
i genuinely dont understand how they managed to make the maps worse
That's called actually using verticality splatoon has
They're trying to do ANYTHING to fix Crab Tank without actually nerfing the Crab Tank itself.
Stick poles and random walls into maps to prevent crabs from covering space.
Make it so several specials deal more damage SPECIFICALLY to Crab Tank.
It's honestly really silly and I'm wondering what else they could possibly do.
For real, and the only nerf that Crab or Splash have gotten in 6 months of dominating the meta is going from 9 seconds base duration to 8 seconds. I don't know what the devs seemingly have against giving one or both of them a proper nerf, or why they seem to be neglecting flank routes, but hopefully something changes soon, because I don't think what they've done will actually have a meaningful impact
@@nightcaller92 I personally always think it's better to buff than to nerf, no I'm excited that the devs are trying this direction
@@anstupid4093 wouldn't be a problem if we had bimonthly/monthly updates instead of this season garbo
@@chkensammich We might get another patch in a month instead of a month and a half, either way they did more good than damage with this patch… which is something at least.
When you put it that way, it ends up reminding me of how Nintendo went about dealing with main power up, rather than just directly removing 'damage up' they just made the weapons that took advantage of that damage up buff, weaker in other areas, especially ink efficiency.
It just goes to show how obtuse Nintendo is at fixing problems, and it makes me question whether they're taking the design of these games seriously or not.
You could say the map changes were pole-arizing.
😂😂😂😂😂LOL😂😂😂
pfft 😂
*sigh...*
💀💀
GET OUT
eeltail leftside ramp assassination is a travesty
explain why this is a bad thing. on zones AND on blitz you do NOT even to go there as an attacking team.
It's not bad for the attackers, it's bad for the defenders that lose an exit. Now when defending you're backed into a wall, with no way to escape.
Mako mart has a flank so crab is already bad on that map. But the the huge “f*ck you” sign made me laugh. the “F*ck you” Car had me in tears and the “F*ck you” pole in mid in Wahoo world made me cry
“Ok guys, we need to fix the center areas of the maps”
“Uninkable walls”
“More cover”
“Let’s fix the specials while we’re at it”
*”...P O L E.”*
it's definitely not the worst that could have happened, but these changes feel extremely rushed and really only a temporary fix for the problem. i'm a backline player (hydra most often) and i honestly just think setting up good perches and then placing a giant obstruction in the way is just bad map design. not because it makes it harder to see everything, but because an obstruction so close to the player is just going to make them frustrated and go somewhere else. now you have a pointless perch that would be better off not existing. the point of nerfing is to make using a weapon more fair; not more frustrating.
i want more flanks, with multiple perches that, due to the geometry of the map (rather than a random sign dropped in your face), means that i need to move between them to watch all paths. i want to feel like i'm not being forced to just stay in one spot the entire game, i want to feel like i'm playing in a dynamic gamestate and can rotate in response. and just walking across the grate onto the right truck in mincemeat doesn't count. basically? i want The Reef.
YES!!
Yeah. As a charger main, it’s weird to me that their solution is to limit back-liner options, as opposed to giving front-liners more ways to fight against back-liners.
My headcannon is that the devs saw Chara's video about map design & how popular it got & then had very little time to try to implement at least a few of those designs.
If this is somehow within the realm of reality, then the next patch for map changes & whatnot might actually be great overall.
I'm so glad they're making such an effort to counter chargers... by giving them cover and removing flanks from the maps.
This game's meta is fucked.
You can't nerf skill, you can nerf crab and splatlings tho.
genuinely unless nintendo hires a new game design team i think this game is doomed. they already messed up on release and 3 of the release specials are outclassed by new specials, or replaced entirely such as kraken>slider and stamp or super chump replacing missiles, inkjet being really mid, etc.
@@BenDover-yv1cwthat's the problem
Skill floor became much lower because charger doesn't need to watch for flanks and basically becomes "if you don't have ninja or specials, this area is blocked for you"
@@mxwit2466 “super chump replacing missiles”
@@mxwit2466 super chump is definitely not replacing missiles. Super chump is easily destroyed and very weak whereas missiles are infinite range and provide tracking
Splatoon 3: Poles And Pillows update
They added mini Inkolpolis Towers on the zones to commemorate the new expansion pass to Inkopolis
The car is just too funny, also the specials on the poles.🤣
they placed a giant crayon in the middle off wahooo world.
They said "let them cook", too bad Nogami failed culinary school
Hammerhead Clams now has both the baskets moved slightly closer to the normal route, which makes it slightly more easier to score now.
JUST ADD A RAMP ON THE RIGHT SIDE IT’S NOT THAT HARD
Games are getting too pole-litical these days smh
So POLE-arizing
The fact that they found a way to make Eeltail _worse still_ gives me very little hope for future updates like this. The only good version of the map we've ever seen was in the pre-release trailer and the only seem capable of downgrading it from that.
I still wonder why we didn't get that version of Eeltail. What was wrong with it that they couldn't add it to the game?
@@pikapower_kirby they gotta keep the bar super low so you don't get any ideas and start expecting things from nintendo devs
I usually play turf war and Eeltail has gotten even more frustrating to play on. The signs are really annoying to play with because they make the bottom even more cramped and make the left side kind of useless imo, because things like trizooka can’t get the same value as they once did while splatlings are stronger now because they have a smaller area to cover and have less chances to get splatted. Also removing the ramp is so dumb, because now the only way to get back into the base if you want to retreat is over a dumb uninkable mini hallway.
@@pikapower_kirby I think it was a sudden change in philosophy: as a bunch of different maps from the trailers also got worse when they transitioned into the main game. Like this isn’t the ineffectual bumbling of a bad dev team, this is an active decision they’re making about the game. My theory is that they want the tournaments to look like the trailers. In a game as competitive as Splatoon, the tournaments become the advertisement, they become the marketing. So when the actual marketing doesn’t look like how the game is played at top level we have a problem. So solution: we make the maps in a way that would only allow messy battles in one area at one spot. That way the tournaments look like a more advanced version of the original trailers.
I liked the part where the massive poles and signs just buffed all the long range weapons that have bullet dropoff
Booyah!
me when tri stringer
To be fair those are generally the less annoying ones.
Generally.
Here's the funny shit, those poles don't stop chargers, the "sight line blocks' don't work, chargers can still shoot UNDER them and hit you from the other side.
yep
yeah and this has been a problem since s2 maps
Literally just makes throwing bombs up harder lol
9:49 Chara reacts to the worst map change in the update
I also noticed on Hagglefish that the side route heading toward the alley has opened up a bit. Instead of being a useless indent, they enlarged it and removed one of the blocks for easier access
The poles are so that people don't just plop a big bubbler in the middle of the zone and cover most of it.
Yeah that’s what we need to stop
That's a good thing to counter but I feel like (especially on Wahoo) the changes kinda hurt other specials, like Reefslider. These feel like such odd changes overall
Couldn't you just put right next to the pole?
bro the pole isnt taking much space to even begin with 💀
@@pikapower_kirby they know Reef is so bad they aren't trying to do anything to fix It.
Just make shiver pole dance in wahoo and it's going to be the favourite of like half the community
🗣️🗣️🔥💯🙏
Wait I'm giving some questionable artists ideas f🤬
Congratulations, you played yourself
@@louctendo1321 hmmm
Tf?
the splatoon 3 meta is being held together by a string and a piece of tape
There should be a Splatoon meme match where a televised competitive match everyone gathers at the Wahoo World pole like the ginch who stole Christmas. To giggle to themselves about the baffling choices of "map changes" while everyone squidbags in solidarity than both teams all jump on an autobomb and match starts. Because those polls almost feel like a troll job. Fr. We want flank route. We get polls. Make the meme 🤣 It would be too good
two crabs under the pole 😳
I’m an eliter main and I want flank at this point as much as y’all do instead of a stupid sign
Zipcaster mains are having a field day rn
My current copium is that this is a duct tape fix while they work on actual map improvements for a future update
I think it is not only targeted at chargers but also to make better aproaches to zipcaster
1.3GB wahoo world pole 🔥🔥🔥💪💪🔥‼️
He went through the maps so quickly that the changes didn't actually register before having to go back. Not terrible, to be fair a lot of these changes are pretty minuscule, but it probably would've been better if he didn't have to flip back and forth. Lol
For those that haven't noticed them, here:
The block in the middle has been reshaped to a Z on hammerhead and a block was moved to the side, along with some more squid bumpers throughout the map.
The pillar holding up the rotating platforms on Museum are much thinner + some blocks got added [whoopie]. I believe there were some signs and a wall that was opened as well.
The second ramp on the other side of spawn in Mako besides the signs being added.
In Hagglefish an entire wall was broken down, less inkable cover and a step to the tent perch, + the grate on the side being extended a little more to make that jump easier [I assume]. + pole.
Eeltail having an _entire ramp_ removed and re-placed up the wooden roof building, making it harder to get up to the enemy's spawn and turning the glass walkway into a choke point. + the inkable block now moved from the corner to the center of the walls to climb over them easier, along with the signs. Probably the most drastic one to change, in my opinion.
Wahoo world .... Pole. + the walls are much bigger than they were previously, and the ledge around the zone as well, I believe.
Mincemeat .... Cars and a balloon.
Mahi ... Pole.
The fact that Eeltail got worse from this update actually pisses me off holy shit.
What's worse
@@ShadowSkyX they removed a ramp near spawn so you can't go to the enemy side and flank nearly as much
Yeah like, the fuck was the point lmao. Having only ONE way to enter the enemy base is just disgusting to see
Should’ve just called it Splatoon 3: Pole Season
Copium, the eel tail nerf is going to be explained in game as they’re redoing the entire ramp section and they’ll reinstall it with a slight tweak.
You should have included the beginning of the stream with the anticipation and excitement everyone was feeling 😂
woe
🖐️💈
pole be upon ye
Wahoo world: POLE
Strip pole update
One other thing is that the rotating platforms in spawn on museum were changed to be smaller. The outer portions were stripped in some modes and the top by the grates were shortened.
The whole earth shifted just so they don’t have to directly nerf a single shooter called: splashingtonsplatonomaticspudnikstein the 1st. This scares me on how much they care for shooters
Eel tail is so sad. We all just wanted the wider mid we saw in the trailer, and they made the choke worse somehow
They’re trying to nerf splash by adding a new splash and buffing chargers via map tweeks.
We live in a society
04:35 Bro got a bit too excited for that
I wish the pole on Wahoo Zones was one of those chair swing fairground rides 😭
they destroyed the spinners on museum turf just to add fucking balloons
1.3 gb wahoo pole
Feels like a temporary fix before making bigger changes
If that's true they should have said so in the patch notes.
7/10 patch could use some more poles
So many signs! I wonder if they're trying to tell us something...
Oh well Im not going to read into it :D
Why don't you take a poll of everyone on what they think.
Spoletoon
the wahoo world pole
ah yes, the “fuck you, chargers” update!
I heard someone say the “Pole Update”
Wahoo pole is a good sprinkler buff tbh
The eel tail alley ramp being removed made me sad. I liked the aesthetic of the map but like whyyyyy? Now it’ll feel just unplayable.
Yayyyy a tiny niche for squid surge on one map on one mode!
How did chara miss the giant pol in the middle of the zone on hagglefish the first time
Splatoon 3 Expansion Pass Wave 1: P O L E S
Wahoo has a countdown when bridge will open and close (left side every 3 seconds a bar goes away).
As a charger main I understand why these map changes had to happen but why did they have to be so obvious that it was directed at charger players
Wait when did this happen I completely missed that first ramp and went my usual route xkwnckek (first map)
Dude I was actually mad at these changes
10:50 Someone in chat said "QR Moment" XD
The eel tail change just proves rainmaker is superior 💪
This was basically a cars, shrinking and a shivers pole update
All hail the Wahoo pole
Guys today I tried joining Chara's discord but I'm having problem with my phone number "being already registered on another account"
Do you know how to solve this problem?
Ah yes, my favourite update, The Pole Update
Murder crab by putting windows and poles everywhere!
I like. And if anyone still tries to use crab, they can eat my hammer.
This is the splatoon 3: F*ck you charger players update.
(Custom kit vid reference)
Splatoon 3: Walls and Poles Update
My 2 main weapons are a charger and a gun with crab tank and im crying over this but its still completely understandable hahaha
pole is the secret to counter kraken guys you just don’t get it
Splatoon 3 : Pole Simulator
Stripper pole in mid, let’s gooo
Even with Eel tail ally how it is and I do hope it gets fixed I'll still play it and won't call it unplayable.
I just feel if maps aren't perfect then they are outcast too fast and hard by meta.
I say the main problem is the maps being too smashed, too rectangular, and lack of routes any basic map dev for a shooting game should know.
If theses maps had more flanks or just like 20% wider or longer the problems like E liters and Snipers be less a problem.
It would be nice if they actually nerfed crab instead of just deleting places where it was strong
Also flanks would be nice
Fresh season? Your kidding right, its clearly pole season
Eeltail sign will be nice for inkjet
All hail the pole
Poles, Poles everywhere
Doesn't even look and says they barely changed
Am I going nuts or did they change the spinners on museum
They did I think there is only two things that spin now
That squid surge spot is actually super creative
Eeltail my beloved what did they do to you
05:20 What's respect?
At least they’re trying
I like those Changes
0:40 I mean, I'm not complaining cause fuck chargers
None of these will save you, lmao.
@@BenDover-yv1cw I will if I rush the shit out of them with my zipcaster
@@bruh23532 You sound like a one brain celled shooter/rapid/blaster player. You probably get sniped out of zipcaster, 🤣.
@@BenDover-yv1cw never touched a blaster in my life
I main rollers and the brushes
@@bruh23532 I knew it, I forgot to add brushes, you are aware that these "nerfs" effect rollers right
This is spiritualy splatoon 3 but we all know that its actualy pole 1
THE POLE UPDATE
There's no y in mako
Eeltail? More like Ltail
Bro they nerfed snipers without nerfing snipers😂