I know that feel. I have bought and sold a total of 3 large 40K Imperial Guard armies. I sold my last one after 6th edition released. Now I’m playing again after 8th came out and what army did I build? Astra Militarum! ...but now I’m switching to Adeptus Mechanicus for 9th ed.
"any model can be used forn any game If you have enough imagine and believe in yourself" that guy: "so this Imperial Star Destroyer from Star Wars is actually an Huruk-hai Warrior"
"Trees are trees"? Well, depends. I remember being very much amused as an Australian watching some old 90s fantasy show that was supposed to be set in ancient Ireland, but was filmed in Australia and had eucalyptus trees as part of the scenery.
I had a teacher in southern Ontario who did nature photography and he pulled a good hustle one time on national geographic. they contacted him, wanting pics of the huge pine trees of Alberta, but he had none, so he went and crawled on his belly looking up using a wide angle lens and took pics of the trees behind the school. they couldn't tell the difference, and he got paid. 😂 so good
Nighthaunt chainrasps look good in Frostgrave. I paint mine voidshield blue. Blends well in the icy realm. Also the Sigmar mausoleum looks better than the frostgrave version. More options as well.
My "rules" for buying models and terrain are usually: "How many systems can I use it on?" If the answer is more than 2 then I usually get it. On 2 I consider if they're the ones I play the most. If so, I get it. If I can only use it for 1 system: I consider whether I could get a similar one that would let me use it on other systems, if so, I get the alternative. Of course, this is mostly when I don't have enough money to impulse buy. I've plenty of terrain and models, and the only game I play that I have to get -mostly- terrain just for it is Crisis Protocol. Urban setting on a larger scale. Also, MDF terrain is a godsend. I love my Killzones and Resin terrain, but MDF can fill out a table for the same price as plastic scatter pieces of plastic.
Hell no I'm not! I'm just dropped over $200 on old Oop 40k terrain on eBay!I've tried two times to quit 40k. I cannot do it. These figs are SO COOL!. I have no life. 🤔
@@Heidelmann no doubt. And $200 is nothing on this GW stuff. But I dig it so much. And im a geezer. I hope when Im dead someone that appreciates this stuff will get it.🎲🎲🎲
Some minis can pull double and triple duty if they are generic enough, eg skeletons. Beastmen look generic enough that they could fit into other games as well.
I was thinking that the other day, things line skeletons, zombies, ghouls, orcs, goblins and so on could be used for Hero Quest, warhammer quest, mordheim, D&D amongst many others. My mate is doing a nurgle 40k and aos army so he can use a lot of stuff in both games.
I have around 4000 points of Space Wolves in the post right now from various sources from around the world. They are just starting to arrive. Haven't even played 40K yet against someone. I have not exactly done this the right way. Painting my first figures this weekend. I'm really hoping this game is as fun as it was in the 90's.
Probably wasn't the right way 😂😂 but you will get there eventually!🤟 I'd recommend taking a look at tactics videos, battle reports & list building videos for space wolves to figure out what you want to do on the table for a 1500-2000 points. That way you will keep it digestible & with an achievable goal in sight 🤟 once the 2000 points are complete you will be able to build and paint all.your optional units (another 2000 point army in this case 😂😂) Also the community is always here if you need any painting advice or tips to make things easier 👍 Welcome back to the hobby!
@@Bad-Roll I found the Space Wolves subreddit recently, which has been very inspiring. And the TH-cam comment sections of a few SW converters have been very encouraging for green stuff conversions to take...say, Indomitus Bladeguards and turn it in something that would suit the very individual and niche look of an SW army or war party. Big shout out to JamstrapTV, Pete The Wargamer and RaddiCraft. They do fantastic work. There is a local spot (6 hrs away - I live in rural Australia, so that's kinda normal for us) that I can meet up with on weekends and play games, the store seems very friendly to new players. This is gonna be a fun hobby. But I over-invested on this faction because they look cool. Hopefully, it turns out OK.
I use the same models for Underwrolds, Warcry, Kill Team, Frostgrave, Ranges of Shadow Deep and some board games...and I hope to expand into AoS and 40k armies.
I agree. But other games require some simple animals and generic fantasy monsters so cheaper minis come in handy for that. But characters are usually GW minis.
I mean I finally took the leap. I've had a chunk of grey minis for a while. I like to build them but I was always afraid to paint them because I'd mess em up and make them look ugly lol. But I took the leap went to my lgs and they sell all gw stuff for 15% off no matter what it is so I saved quite a big buying paints. I went with a big list of colors and they had em all. Except agrax earth shade. They were sold out so I had to order that online lol. I sprayed my grotz yesterday and the shade gets here today so we will see how this goes. On a side not I have a couple malifaux models I thought looked cool they would work great for dnd. I find most fantasy models automatically have a 2nd use in dnd or pathfinder and stuff.
Well done mate. Don't fear messing up, just enjoy what you're doing and if you feel the urge, get better at the same time. If you want more pressure and expectations in your life go spend some more time at work.
When I first started playing GW games, 40k and Fantasy, it was quite common to see armies with models from other games and people didn't really care, as long as it was obvious what they were supposed to be! (This was in the early nineties!)
I use a skeleton/undead warband for both Warcry and Frostgrave. All my bases and terrain are also winter themed, so it's bones and snow all the way. I like how it looks and it's incredibly easy to set up.
In short, personally - "no". Not only do I not think "can I use this in more than one game", I don't really even ask "can I use this in a game" anymore. I just see minis and go "oooh, that's cool", and then I'm just thinking about budget. I wish gaming could be a reasonable constraint, but I haven't sat across the table from anyone in a very long time. I just make stuff and paint it.
The best (and worst) part about these games is that the models are only 40% functional and 60% cosmetic. I spent $240 for 1500pts of Blood Angels miniatures that I think look great. I played a game a long while ago against a friend where he had a squad of Ork boys and the entire rest of his army was composed of quarters using various datasheets from wahapedia. His horde army cost a grand total of about $70
Dense jungle terrain or a vaguely Tau-ish cityscape seems like it should work for both to me. Could maybe even set up a terrain board which is the interior of an opencut mine, as an interesting option.
Playing Chaos in Warhammer (now AoS) and 40k one of my favorite things has long been that most of my Daemons can be used in both. Especially gratifying that some can be used in Kill Teams, Some in Warcry, and there's even some underworlds Daemon sets. Ahh, the utility!
I love hiding magnets in terrain to make stuff multi use. I play test of honour and i got magnets in the roofs of my red roof buildings and the magnets allow acrylic antennas and other terrain greeblies to make it sci-fi for my Infinity Yu Jing force for themed terrain there. A little bit of fore thought allows for crazy cool multi-use terrain.
If it was for a campaign I would... I'm buying 1 one of everything (mostly city) Blackstone fortress, Necromunda, inquisitors and their respective retinue, probably most star collecting boxes, at least that's their plan that I want to throw off the window but GW just makes tempting miniatures
This is why historical miniatures are the best. They could be use for so many games without conflicting (much) with the setting of many games with similar theme.
This is exactly why when I decided to commit to the GW ecosystem, I went with Chaos Daemons. 1 army, 3 different games, not including Warcry, Kill Team etc. I’m considering working out a way to turn my Middle Earth models into a Kings of War army but that’s mainly because I’m too lazy to paint up a mass battles game nowadays!
It's not being lazy, it's being smart. If you can have one army and use it in multiple games the better. I call this recycling Miniatures. The only reason to buy multiple armies from one specific company is if you decide to commit yourself only to the ascetics of that particular game.
This is why my GW minis are used in d&d quite often as well. Generally I start an army if I have a campaign purpose for them, or if I have an army I frequently build a campaign around them as enemies.
Some shadespire/beastgrave warbands are the only way to add a little flavour to low model type armies - eg. flesh eater courts or Orruk. It shows how badly some of these ranges really need a little injection of kits to fill them out some more...
One thing you didn't cover: gaming mats. Luckily the times of those hideous green grass mats are behind us. Nowadays you have plenty of options for neutral and natural undergrounds: wastelands, dirt, etc. I agree, GW did a fantastic job making all their fantasy miniatures interchangeable, makes a lot sense having those "portal games" in place.
Another additional benefit to Warhammer Underworlds is that many, many of those very pretty figures can be used as Proxy-Models for AoS figures, mostly heroes and leaders. Short example: you're playing Nurgle and you reaaaaallllyyyyy want a Chaos Sorcerer in your army. You could grab the kit and try your best to kitbash a diseased mage out of it.. or you grab the new Nurgle warband for Underworlds which comes with an amazing diseased hag and you use her instead! Some Warbands, like the Godsworn Hunt, even come with models that make sense for OTHER Warcry Warbands. The big lad with the axe is a great second Headclaimer for Spire Tyrants for example. Or the small doggo is maybe a bit small, but in a pinch on a bigger base he's gonna be okay for a Rocktusk Prowler!
I can recommend the A Song of Ice and Fire Starter Box. You get like around 100 models for this rank&phile game for a reasonable price (fun game btw). Quite good minis and really quite "normal" medieval looking. You can easily use them for Sagas or Kings of War and almost every other game with medieval or fantasy setting. The type of terrain I think is the most versatile: Middle-european half-timberd houses. You can use them for every historic game set in Europe between the middle ages and WWII (Black Powder, Sagas, Bolt Action, even Team Yankee). Even a game of AoS or other fantasy games do fit in there.
The multi-use was actually a notable reason for me switching from Tau to Genestealer Cult in 40k. I can not only play Kill Team and 40k with them, but also Necromunda without all the cost of using any of the gangers as an Imperial Guard Regiment. I can also include a small amount of Tyranids and Imperial Guard - enough to play combat patrol size 40k matches and Kill Team with. I've been pretty pleased with it so far, and now I only need to take one case and can play a bunch of different ways. Alas, this only works because I enjoy GSC and their parts. Thanks for the great video as always!
this is something i get away from due to kill team and 40k, but 100% do when it comes to anything in the realm of AoS so i can cross use it in d & d. great video uncle atom! those trees looked really cool
i think the "smart buying" comes later in hobby live. at the point when your personal pile of shame has become so big that it physically hurts you. well in my case at least. im now down to three systems and a handfull of rpg´s and can use all of my miniatures in my rpg´s for either playermodells or enemy modells.
Yep, my minis are all only good in one game system. At least most of them are warband / skirmish scale. Only bigger games are legion and I suppose 40k since I bought indomitus to give it a try (though I swear I’m sticking to smaller games of 40k)
I agree a lot with this video. Maximizing the usage of our models is always great. I want more mini and solo games out from gw to continue this. They can utilize white dwarf or the Warhammer Community page. You forgot for GW products there are RPGs for Fantasy, AoS and 40k that you can use models for. Keep up the great work.
Even though I have limited resources it's far more important to me to buy a model I love and am passionate about than if it will ever see any kind of use outside of the game it's meant for, that being said though my fist night goblin purchases were for some goblins for D&D , but I collect goblins because I love them and have fun painting them!
Just saw on EBay some new packaging for the paint sets with 3 figures, one with assault Intercessors and Necrons. Also a paint and tool set with the new Necron paints. Going for $29 and $38 respectively. Available August 15. Also a battlefield expansion set with terrain and two game boards for $79
Great video. My Fireforge Mongolians get used in Kings of War, One Page Rules, Frostgrave, Dragon Rampant, Oathmark, and Warlords of Evehwon. So 6 systems, my Northstar Gnolls get used in the same systems. Terrain of rocks, trees, and ruins can cover anywhere from fantasy, to historical, to 40k. GW's terrain is not only too expensive for what it is, but also too limited in reusability.
@theboldbear Dragon Rampant is a very nice little system. It is more geared towards fun & creativity, than following a rigid army list. Historical miniatures will also stand the test of time. Systems with this own IP miniatures come and go, meanwhile a Roman Centurion model can be used in many systems. The generic nature of the historical miniatures offers them so much scope. Which period will you go for?
My 40k gaming group is often cool with using 3rd party models, especially for Guard armies. While I have a personal rule about always having official (yes painted) models on hand for gaming, I've been kicking myself after discovering Perry Miniatures. I could have had all the infantry models I ever needed for my Guard army for under $100 including bases (and magnets, should I ever decide to get into historicals)
2:41 yes you can, games like Blackstone Fortress can accept many models from 40k (characters full stats already existing) and viceversa (crossover 40k stats come in BSF game and expansions)
Think there was a really big opportunity here to suggest, adding a miniatures agnostic game system to your collection, that way everything gets an extra game to play in! Also a big fan of somewhat generic minis from big box board games - Runewars (though is basically a wargame) and FireTeam Zero (though these often end up in my D&D games)
If you are really particular about it there are quite a few models fr GW that can span several games. A lot of imperial stuff can be used for kill team, 40k and Horus heresy. Some things might even find use in necromunda, and some necromunda stuff could be used in all other 40k related games... I especially like the idea of guard regiments pulled from necromunda hive gangs... Of course the most crossover able armies are chaos demons that flat out officially are the same models in AOS as in 40k, and then reach into some of the tangent games. And I've seen enough people using imperial guard in bolt action and historical armies as guardsmen in 40k to know that works well enough. Also medieval historical models have a place as free people's in AOS, and certainly as Bretonnians, Empire, and Dogs of war in pre-AOS Warhammer. and I suppose it should be obvious that a lot of these models can be used in various RPGs like DND, world of darkness, etc.
This is a great topic! I 've bought miniatures for years with the mind I would use them in multiple game systems. It makes sense if you don't have unlimited funds to spend. Terrain in my opinion should be use able in almost any setting, depending on the scale of course and genre. Thanks for the video!
For some terrain, I might even suggest a unified paint job despite there being different kits! Sure, this decrepit graveyard doesn't really fit together with this big sci-fi generator and those two cooling tanks.. but if they're painted in a similar fashion then.. sci-fi graveyard with generators and cooling tank makes sense, haha
VERY surprised with the lack of "PaChows" here as You've presented so many of the ingredients that play into the points here. That being said, this is a very good eye-opening question and suggestion episode for the grognard and neophyte alike. Play to the strengths of your imagination and the versatility that can afford You (yeah...shameless pun!). Cheers on yet another fine presentation.
Wouldn't Necromunda, Space Hulk, etc. be the 40k shadespire? Though to be fair an underworlds for 40k could be cool too. Damn your awesome videos Atom!
When the mid-roll ad is a 5 minute BBQ cooking show and you’re elbow deep doing the dishes. :D Thanks for the video, I’ve been pondering terrain a lot recently. I guess we no longer build it out of papier-mâché? ;)
That bit about terrain also applies to terrain of your own creation. There's still the cost in time and effort to create the thing, not to mention cost of materials. If you can make that terrain have more applications, it's a lot easier to justify building it. Indeed, that's one of the advantages to building terrain yourself: you get to tailor it to your specifications.
Snow flock is a great leveller for terrain. I had some generic ww2 bombed out/ruined buildings, liberal application of snow flock and they do me for WW2, frostgrave, post apocalyptic (nuclear winter)
Historical terrain probably it suitable from their original period of time and up the present, just like we try to keep the castles and cities like they were originally This tip goes smoothly if you try to keep your scales to a minimum: 28mm/ 1/48ish to characters and 1/144 /12mm ish for bigger battles/ model kits like Gundam... Thought I'm kinda tempted by epic scale something like 6mm/1/265 Video idea: what is scale and which one is the best for you
4:25 also bolt action have some of the best price/quality ratio I’ve seen on the market, though I would apreciate it if the started replacing their old metal models for plastic ones (hate working with metal and resin)
I just bought two sets of Autumn trees from Monster Fight club yesterday. They're the best trees I have and are going to see a ton of play in Relicblade and Age of Sigmar, at least.
Great thing about historical minis is they work in fantasy aswell. Im building an army that from across the table looks historical but up close looks fantasy.
My first Warcry Warband was Legions of Nagash because a bunch of skeletons were great for D&D and Frostgrave, and pretty much any fantasy wargames or RPG. Also you can build a Sacrosanct Chambers Warcry band for 30 dollars using the easy to assemble guys from Underworlds.
Building an ork army with magnetized weapons to play in AOS and 40k. Of course I also had to get a resin printer to make the alternate weapons. And I had to buy an airbrush so I could paint them fast enough. I've made 14 boys so far, only cost me $500... if you don't count the Indomitus box I bought to get the codex.
Great vid and I wanted to add quite a few historical systems support multiple scales especially the smaller the initial scale. Warmachine models are good as 40K models and vice verser.
Limiting myself to a certain volume of terrain storage, so my pulp/gothic horror/fantasy terrain has to be interchangeable. Flat terrain/maps also help significantly.
Saw the title and immediately thought about the corpse grinder cultists I bought with no intention of fielding because I have no idea how Necromunda plays.
I use the terrain I own in all my games and love miniature agnostic games cause I can use anything that suits the game. I've even proxied some board game models for Warhammer, when they fit (I don't play in tournaments so it's all friendly games).
Hum, after watching this great video, I'll now try to find a way to incorporate my Second Legion of Vega Company from BattleTech into my Death Guard combat patrol from 40k.
I’m not done painting my Death Guard army which has been off and on for 2 years and just bought into the Indomitus Necrons two days ago. 🤣. I love that there are more new models for both those factions coming out soon!
I saw the title my immediate answer was "No." Watched the vid' "Hey, I'm not that bad." I can reuse my dwarven army and skeleton army in any fantasy setting, It's just gonna be harder to use my Space Marines in another setting tho.
There is actually a 40k equivalent......kinda, which is Warhammer Quest: Blackstone Fortress. All the models for Blackstone Fortress and its expansions have gotten 40k rules, the only problem is that a lot of them are now out of production (after an admittedly pretty limited run) and Blackstone Fortress itself is being discontinued after the next expansion gets released, which is kinda a bummer. Unclear atm if GW have another 40k Warhammer Quest game waiting in the wings (considering Blackstone has done pretty well I wouldn't be surprised) but for now its up in the air as to what the future is
Honestly Imperial guard is a great 40k army for alt models. I have seen every type of soldier model used, from every era of blackpowder historical through WW2 and even other sci-fi games. Guard is just a good proxy army.
I try to be mindful of this. I picked up a set of tents from Renedra recently, I can use them for fantasy, western, or post apocalyptic. Likewise, the city terrain boards I bought could be used for 40k, modern, and post apocalyptic depending on the kind of buildings I put down.
I own and play (I know right, who actually plays miniature games) a core set of Warhammer Quest 1995. Couldn't get some of the original monster models, and I don't like the adventurer models (which I do have) so I bought Reaper miniatures for the monsters (giant rats, and Minotaurs) and I've bought miniatures from various companies, including GeeDubz, Reaper and Hasslefree Miniatures, for the adventurers to make them look like the iOS/Android/PC video game versions. Alternatives are out there, although it's dubious if they cost you significantly less.
I try to make my models fit multiple funcions, sometimes within the same game system. Vampire counts/covenant or "Barrow Mounds" style Tomb Kings/Undying Dynasties, elves that could pass as either high or dark ones due to paintjob and iconography, using Perry miniatures Agincourt knights to do Bretonnians/historical army, etc. And almost everything pulls an extra shift as RPG models, particualrly if I play Warhammer FRP.
I bought an entire army, didn't open it, sold it a year later, then rebought it on a whim. So I'm gonna say "no".
Typical Glass Half Dead! :) have you tried combat patrol yet? I’d love a comparison with Kill Team
@@marcolai9735 I've been swamped with my KT batreps and painting enough to get from KT to Combat Patrol, so not yet, sadly. Soon though!
Never change, my dude.
I know that feel. I have bought and sold a total of 3 large 40K Imperial Guard armies. I sold my last one after 6th edition released. Now I’m playing again after 8th came out and what army did I build? Astra Militarum! ...but now I’m switching to Adeptus Mechanicus for 9th ed.
I want “if you have enough imagine and believe in yourself” on a t-shirt.
Absolutely
Ditto
I think I could use some more imagine in my life
Please make this happen
The terrain, from Spain, looks insane in the game.
Galician quality. 👌🏼
Bravo, good sir!!!
Does the terrain from Spain come with a coronavirus strain?
@@calveras86 Brilliant!
A grammatically correct TH-cam comment. Fine job sir. Fine job.
"any model can be used forn any game If you have enough imagine and believe in yourself"
that guy: "so this Imperial Star Destroyer from Star Wars is actually an Huruk-hai Warrior"
"Well, yes but actually no."
Little big, maybe it can be two?
Blackstone Fortress models have stats for WH40k and Kill Team.
And the new Space Marine Adventures games too
5:38 that transition is SMOOTH
I agree. I had to re-watch it a couple of times.
Model trees are almost always a good investment for terrain I reckon.
There is always something about "werewolves and laser tanks" that makes me smile.
"Trees are trees"? Well, depends. I remember being very much amused as an Australian watching some old 90s fantasy show that was supposed to be set in ancient Ireland, but was filmed in Australia and had eucalyptus trees as part of the scenery.
Suspense of disbelief? 🤨
Did it make you want to... ROAR?!
Sounds like someone didn't have enough imagine...
I had a teacher in southern Ontario who did nature photography and he pulled a good hustle one time on national geographic. they contacted him, wanting pics of the huge pine trees of Alberta, but he had none, so he went and crawled on his belly looking up using a wide angle lens and took pics of the trees behind the school. they couldn't tell the difference, and he got paid. 😂 so good
@@mandodelorian4668 The title "Roar" rings a bell. I know it was one of those late 90s Herules/Xena ripoffs.
Nighthaunt chainrasps look good in Frostgrave. I paint mine voidshield blue. Blends well in the icy realm. Also the Sigmar mausoleum looks better than the frostgrave version. More options as well.
My "rules" for buying models and terrain are usually:
"How many systems can I use it on?"
If the answer is more than 2 then I usually get it. On 2 I consider if they're the ones I play the most. If so, I get it.
If I can only use it for 1 system: I consider whether I could get a similar one that would let me use it on other systems, if so, I get the alternative.
Of course, this is mostly when I don't have enough money to impulse buy. I've plenty of terrain and models, and the only game I play that I have to get -mostly- terrain just for it is Crisis Protocol. Urban setting on a larger scale.
Also, MDF terrain is a godsend. I love my Killzones and Resin terrain, but MDF can fill out a table for the same price as plastic scatter pieces of plastic.
Hell no I'm not! I'm just dropped over $200 on old Oop 40k terrain on eBay!I've tried two times to quit 40k. I cannot do it. These figs are SO COOL!. I have no life. 🤔
It’s great isn’t it!? 👍🏽
I've considered switching over to heroin...at least that will kill me before I go bankrupt!
Sending someone's kids to college.
@@Heidelmann no doubt. And $200 is nothing on this GW stuff. But I dig it so much. And im a geezer. I hope when Im dead someone that appreciates this stuff will get it.🎲🎲🎲
Some minis can pull double and triple duty if they are generic enough, eg skeletons. Beastmen look generic enough that they could fit into other games as well.
I was thinking that the other day, things line skeletons, zombies, ghouls, orcs, goblins and so on could be used for Hero Quest, warhammer quest, mordheim, D&D amongst many others.
My mate is doing a nurgle 40k and aos army so he can use a lot of stuff in both games.
Tip: do a base for a forrest with holes for trees of different scale.
What model line is the mini in the thumbnail from?
I have around 4000 points of Space Wolves in the post right now from various sources from around the world. They are just starting to arrive. Haven't even played 40K yet against someone. I have not exactly done this the right way. Painting my first figures this weekend. I'm really hoping this game is as fun as it was in the 90's.
I got about 2k ultramarines, and only 1 friend interested in 40k, he has 1 space wolf intercessor so far, so I too have been smart
Probably wasn't the right way 😂😂 but you will get there eventually!🤟
I'd recommend taking a look at tactics videos, battle reports & list building videos for space wolves to figure out what you want to do on the table for a 1500-2000 points. That way you will keep it digestible & with an achievable goal in sight 🤟 once the 2000 points are complete you will be able to build and paint all.your optional units (another 2000 point army in this case 😂😂)
Also the community is always here if you need any painting advice or tips to make things easier 👍
Welcome back to the hobby!
Don't worry about it. All roads lead to Rome, right? 😁
@@Bad-Roll I found the Space Wolves subreddit recently, which has been very inspiring. And the TH-cam comment sections of a few SW converters have been very encouraging for green stuff conversions to take...say, Indomitus Bladeguards and turn it in something that would suit the very individual and niche look of an SW army or war party. Big shout out to JamstrapTV, Pete The Wargamer and RaddiCraft. They do fantastic work.
There is a local spot (6 hrs away - I live in rural Australia, so that's kinda normal for us) that I can meet up with on weekends and play games, the store seems very friendly to new players. This is gonna be a fun hobby. But I over-invested on this faction because they look cool. Hopefully, it turns out OK.
@@Sir_Gonzo they are some awesome TH-camrs! sounds fantastic! All the best mate 👍
I use the same models for Underwrolds, Warcry, Kill Team, Frostgrave, Ranges of Shadow Deep and some board games...and I hope to expand into AoS and 40k armies.
Same here, but I use the proper AoS and 40k mini's for the most part... they just look the best and that makes GW mini's worth it.
I agree. But other games require some simple animals and generic fantasy monsters so cheaper minis come in handy for that. But characters are usually GW minis.
I mean I finally took the leap. I've had a chunk of grey minis for a while. I like to build them but I was always afraid to paint them because I'd mess em up and make them look ugly lol. But I took the leap went to my lgs and they sell all gw stuff for 15% off no matter what it is so I saved quite a big buying paints. I went with a big list of colors and they had em all. Except agrax earth shade. They were sold out so I had to order that online lol. I sprayed my grotz yesterday and the shade gets here today so we will see how this goes.
On a side not I have a couple malifaux models I thought looked cool they would work great for dnd. I find most fantasy models automatically have a 2nd use in dnd or pathfinder and stuff.
Well done mate. Don't fear messing up, just enjoy what you're doing and if you feel the urge, get better at the same time. If you want more pressure and expectations in your life go spend some more time at work.
When I first started playing GW games, 40k and Fantasy, it was quite common to see armies with models from other games and people didn't really care, as long as it was obvious what they were supposed to be! (This was in the early nineties!)
I use a skeleton/undead warband for both Warcry and Frostgrave. All my bases and terrain are also winter themed, so it's bones and snow all the way. I like how it looks and it's incredibly easy to set up.
(looking at my army of dreadnoughts)
*these are historicslly accurate*
In short, personally - "no". Not only do I not think "can I use this in more than one game", I don't really even ask "can I use this in a game" anymore. I just see minis and go "oooh, that's cool", and then I'm just thinking about budget. I wish gaming could be a reasonable constraint, but I haven't sat across the table from anyone in a very long time. I just make stuff and paint it.
I love how your videos always upload when I'm about to have breakfast 👍
The best (and worst) part about these games is that the models are only 40% functional and 60% cosmetic. I spent $240 for 1500pts of Blood Angels miniatures that I think look great. I played a game a long while ago against a friend where he had a squad of Ork boys and the entire rest of his army was composed of quarters using various datasheets from wahapedia. His horde army cost a grand total of about $70
Yeah, I'm both a 40k and an Infinity gamer. Good luck to myself finding terrain that suits both aesthetics ...
Ruins are ruins... and 40k is 1000's of worlds, one of them could look like Infinity terrain.
40k is like DnD in such that it can be whatever you want. There's room for untold lore baked in the setting.
Dense jungle terrain or a vaguely Tau-ish cityscape seems like it should work for both to me. Could maybe even set up a terrain board which is the interior of an opencut mine, as an interesting option.
Playing Chaos in Warhammer (now AoS) and 40k one of my favorite things has long been that most of my Daemons can be used in both. Especially gratifying that some can be used in Kill Teams, Some in Warcry, and there's even some underworlds Daemon sets. Ahh, the utility!
I use my marines and Imperial guard in Rogue stars, It's pretty great to see all these 3rd party game creators making model agnostic stuff
I love hiding magnets in terrain to make stuff multi use. I play test of honour and i got magnets in the roofs of my red roof buildings and the magnets allow acrylic antennas and other terrain greeblies to make it sci-fi for my Infinity Yu Jing force for themed terrain there. A little bit of fore thought allows for crazy cool multi-use terrain.
That’s a super-good idea. Thanks for watching!
As always Uncle Atom with the best of advice. He is pretty cool on Twitch too. I love multi use products.
"If you have enough imagine, and believe in yourself" ...that needs to be on some merch.
I brought 3000 points worth of Genestealer Cults and a little too much terrain for a Deathwatch campaign i'm making. I failed you, uncle Atom.
If it was for a campaign I would... I'm buying 1 one of everything (mostly city) Blackstone fortress, Necromunda, inquisitors and their respective retinue, probably most star collecting boxes, at least that's their plan that I want to throw off the window but GW just makes tempting miniatures
I love the Tau Infantry with helmets. They would make great robots for like what's it called, Starfinder? The DnD in space thing.
This is why historical miniatures are the best. They could be use for so many games without conflicting (much) with the setting of many games with similar theme.
Rouge trader, and Blackstone fortress have data sheets for 40k/kill team.
This is exactly why when I decided to commit to the GW ecosystem, I went with Chaos Daemons. 1 army, 3 different games, not including Warcry, Kill Team etc. I’m considering working out a way to turn my Middle Earth models into a Kings of War army but that’s mainly because I’m too lazy to paint up a mass battles game nowadays!
Yes, them moving away from those square bases was a good move in that regard.
It's not being lazy, it's being smart. If you can have one army and use it in multiple games the better. I call this recycling Miniatures. The only reason to buy multiple armies from one specific company is if you decide to commit yourself only to the ascetics of that particular game.
This is why my GW minis are used in d&d quite often as well. Generally I start an army if I have a campaign purpose for them, or if I have an army I frequently build a campaign around them as enemies.
Really cool scenic shots.
I appreciate it, they were fun to do. Thanks for watching!
Some shadespire/beastgrave warbands are the only way to add a little flavour to low model type armies - eg. flesh eater courts or Orruk. It shows how badly some of these ranges really need a little injection of kits to fill them out some more...
One thing you didn't cover: gaming mats. Luckily the times of those hideous green grass mats are behind us. Nowadays you have plenty of options for neutral and natural undergrounds: wastelands, dirt, etc.
I agree, GW did a fantastic job making all their fantasy miniatures interchangeable, makes a lot sense having those "portal games" in place.
Another additional benefit to Warhammer Underworlds is that many, many of those very pretty figures can be used as Proxy-Models for AoS figures, mostly heroes and leaders. Short example: you're playing Nurgle and you reaaaaallllyyyyy want a Chaos Sorcerer in your army. You could grab the kit and try your best to kitbash a diseased mage out of it.. or you grab the new Nurgle warband for Underworlds which comes with an amazing diseased hag and you use her instead! Some Warbands, like the Godsworn Hunt, even come with models that make sense for OTHER Warcry Warbands. The big lad with the axe is a great second Headclaimer for Spire Tyrants for example. Or the small doggo is maybe a bit small, but in a pinch on a bigger base he's gonna be okay for a Rocktusk Prowler!
I feel like AoS models would be great for medieval themed dnd games
Little on the large size for it though lol Zombicide would work better.
I use my AoS models for various dnd campaigns, it works great!
well it's what i used to justify buying a lot of them
Since when medieval lokks like that ? xD
Michał Malinowski More war Hammer Fantasy than AoS, stuff like the Empire with their peasants or the chaos raiders
I can recommend the A Song of Ice and Fire Starter Box. You get like around 100 models for this rank&phile game for a reasonable price (fun game btw). Quite good minis and really quite "normal" medieval looking. You can easily use them for Sagas or Kings of War and almost every other game with medieval or fantasy setting.
The type of terrain I think is the most versatile: Middle-european half-timberd houses. You can use them for every historic game set in Europe between the middle ages and WWII (Black Powder, Sagas, Bolt Action, even Team Yankee). Even a game of AoS or other fantasy games do fit in there.
The multi-use was actually a notable reason for me switching from Tau to Genestealer Cult in 40k. I can not only play Kill Team and 40k with them, but also Necromunda without all the cost of using any of the gangers as an Imperial Guard Regiment. I can also include a small amount of Tyranids and Imperial Guard - enough to play combat patrol size 40k matches and Kill Team with. I've been pretty pleased with it so far, and now I only need to take one case and can play a bunch of different ways.
Alas, this only works because I enjoy GSC and their parts.
Thanks for the great video as always!
For the Greater Good! 👽
I am impressed. Some discussion on historical miniatures. Thank you very much!
The new DKoK from Kill Team '21 can also pull double duty as reoccurring bad guys in my Traveller RPG.
this is something i get away from due to kill team and 40k, but 100% do when it comes to anything in the realm of AoS so i can cross use it in d & d. great video uncle atom! those trees looked really cool
i think the "smart buying" comes later in hobby live. at the point when your personal pile of shame has become so big that it physically hurts you. well in my case at least. im now down to three systems and a handfull of rpg´s and can use all of my miniatures in my rpg´s for either playermodells or enemy modells.
Yep, my minis are all only good in one game system. At least most of them are warband / skirmish scale. Only bigger games are legion and I suppose 40k since I bought indomitus to give it a try (though I swear I’m sticking to smaller games of 40k)
I agree a lot with this video. Maximizing the usage of our models is always great. I want more mini and solo games out from gw to continue this. They can utilize white dwarf or the Warhammer Community page. You forgot for GW products there are RPGs for Fantasy, AoS and 40k that you can use models for. Keep up the great work.
Even though I have limited resources it's far more important to me to buy a model I love and am passionate about than if it will ever see any kind of use outside of the game it's meant for, that being said though my fist night goblin purchases were for some goblins for D&D , but I collect goblins because I love them and have fun painting them!
“Ancient England, surrounded by people who might smell better if they washed”. Man. The more things change...
Just saw on EBay some new packaging for the paint sets with 3 figures, one with assault Intercessors and Necrons. Also a paint and tool set with the new Necron paints. Going for $29 and $38 respectively. Available August 15. Also a battlefield expansion set with terrain and two game boards for $79
I've grown a love for tzaangors precisely because of this.
Great video.
My Fireforge Mongolians get used in Kings of War, One Page Rules, Frostgrave, Dragon Rampant, Oathmark, and Warlords of Evehwon. So 6 systems, my Northstar Gnolls get used in the same systems.
Terrain of rocks, trees, and ruins can cover anywhere from fantasy, to historical, to 40k. GW's terrain is not only too expensive for what it is, but also too limited in reusability.
@theboldbear Dragon Rampant is a very nice little system. It is more geared towards fun & creativity, than following a rigid army list. Historical miniatures will also stand the test of time. Systems with this own IP miniatures come and go, meanwhile a Roman Centurion model can be used in many systems. The generic nature of the historical miniatures offers them so much scope.
Which period will you go for?
another tip in skirmish gameS buy characters/units that you will either A use allot B can fit into any faction/team/squad
My 40k gaming group is often cool with using 3rd party models, especially for Guard armies. While I have a personal rule about always having official (yes painted) models on hand for gaming, I've been kicking myself after discovering Perry Miniatures. I could have had all the infantry models I ever needed for my Guard army for under $100 including bases (and magnets, should I ever decide to get into historicals)
I find that the battle field in a box terrain is so generic it's can easily span multiple games which is why I use it 👍
2:41 yes you can, games like Blackstone Fortress can accept many models from 40k (characters full stats already existing) and viceversa (crossover 40k stats come in BSF game and expansions)
Think there was a really big opportunity here to suggest, adding a miniatures agnostic game system to your collection, that way everything gets an extra game to play in!
Also a big fan of somewhat generic minis from big box board games - Runewars (though is basically a wargame) and FireTeam Zero (though these often end up in my D&D games)
I’m probably gonna make a video about miniatures agnostic games soon, even though I’ve already made one last year or so. Thanks for watching!
If you are really particular about it there are quite a few models fr GW that can span several games.
A lot of imperial stuff can be used for kill team, 40k and Horus heresy. Some things might even find use in necromunda, and some necromunda stuff could be used in all other 40k related games... I especially like the idea of guard regiments pulled from necromunda hive gangs...
Of course the most crossover able armies are chaos demons that flat out officially are the same models in AOS as in 40k, and then reach into some of the tangent games.
And I've seen enough people using imperial guard in bolt action and historical armies as guardsmen in 40k to know that works well enough.
Also medieval historical models have a place as free people's in AOS, and certainly as Bretonnians, Empire, and Dogs of war in pre-AOS Warhammer.
and I suppose it should be obvious that a lot of these models can be used in various RPGs like DND, world of darkness, etc.
Seconding a "If You Have Enough Imagine And Believe In Yourself" t-shirt
This is a great topic! I 've bought miniatures for years with the mind I would use them in multiple game systems. It makes sense if you don't have unlimited funds to spend. Terrain in my opinion should be use able in almost any setting, depending on the scale of course and genre.
Thanks for the video!
I have enough "imagine" and I believe in myself! Thanks for the vid!
For some terrain, I might even suggest a unified paint job despite there being different kits! Sure, this decrepit graveyard doesn't really fit together with this big sci-fi generator and those two cooling tanks.. but if they're painted in a similar fashion then.. sci-fi graveyard with generators and cooling tank makes sense, haha
Love collecting Batman minis. Great game in itself, but also tons of great models for modern wargaming.
VERY surprised with the lack of "PaChows" here as You've presented so many of the ingredients that play into the points here.
That being said, this is a very good eye-opening question and suggestion episode for the grognard and neophyte alike.
Play to the strengths of your imagination and the versatility that can afford You (yeah...shameless pun!).
Cheers on yet another fine presentation.
Wouldn't Necromunda, Space Hulk, etc. be the 40k shadespire? Though to be fair an underworlds for 40k could be cool too. Damn your awesome videos Atom!
When the mid-roll ad is a 5 minute BBQ cooking show and you’re elbow deep doing the dishes. :D Thanks for the video, I’ve been pondering terrain a lot recently. I guess we no longer build it out of papier-mâché? ;)
Expanded styrofoam is the shit right now. That and some Das (paper mache with white clay) to blend things.
This is a response to GW's recent 100€ supply drops, isn't it?
That bit about terrain also applies to terrain of your own creation. There's still the cost in time and effort to create the thing, not to mention cost of materials. If you can make that terrain have more applications, it's a lot easier to justify building it. Indeed, that's one of the advantages to building terrain yourself: you get to tailor it to your specifications.
Snow flock is a great leveller for terrain. I had some generic ww2 bombed out/ruined buildings, liberal application of snow flock and they do me for WW2, frostgrave, post apocalyptic (nuclear winter)
Historical terrain probably it suitable from their original period of time and up the present, just like we try to keep the castles and cities like they were originally
This tip goes smoothly if you try to keep your scales to a minimum: 28mm/ 1/48ish to characters and 1/144 /12mm ish for bigger battles/ model kits like Gundam...
Thought I'm kinda tempted by epic scale something like 6mm/1/265
Video idea: what is scale and which one is the best for you
4:25 also bolt action have some of the best price/quality ratio I’ve seen on the market, though I would apreciate it if the started replacing their old metal models for plastic ones (hate working with metal and resin)
I just bought two sets of Autumn trees from Monster Fight club yesterday. They're the best trees I have and are going to see a ton of play in Relicblade and Age of Sigmar, at least.
Though to be fair towards GW, at least the giant demons are for both 40K and AOS. That's pretty nice.
The army I’m building now works for both Bolt Action and Warhammer 40k
Great thing about historical minis is they work in fantasy aswell. Im building an army that from across the table looks historical but up close looks fantasy.
My first Warcry Warband was Legions of Nagash because a bunch of skeletons were great for D&D and Frostgrave, and pretty much any fantasy wargames or RPG.
Also you can build a Sacrosanct Chambers Warcry band for 30 dollars using the easy to assemble guys from Underworlds.
Building an ork army with magnetized weapons to play in AOS and 40k.
Of course I also had to get a resin printer to make the alternate weapons.
And I had to buy an airbrush so I could paint them fast enough.
I've made 14 boys so far, only cost me $500... if you don't count the Indomitus box I bought to get the codex.
Great vid and I wanted to add quite a few historical systems support multiple scales especially the smaller the initial scale. Warmachine models are good as 40K models and vice verser.
Limiting myself to a certain volume of terrain storage, so my pulp/gothic horror/fantasy terrain has to be interchangeable. Flat terrain/maps also help significantly.
Saw the title and immediately thought about the corpse grinder cultists I bought with no intention of fielding because I have no idea how Necromunda plays.
I use the terrain I own in all my games and love miniature agnostic games cause I can use anything that suits the game. I've even proxied some board game models for Warhammer, when they fit (I don't play in tournaments so it's all friendly games).
Uncle Atom where did that KNIGHT mini come from looks sweet as hell.
Hum, after watching this great video, I'll now try to find a way to incorporate my Second Legion of Vega Company from BattleTech into my Death Guard combat patrol from 40k.
I’m not done painting my Death Guard army which has been off and on for 2 years and just bought into the Indomitus Necrons two days ago. 🤣. I love that there are more new models for both those factions coming out soon!
I saw the title my immediate answer was "No." Watched the vid' "Hey, I'm not that bad." I can reuse my dwarven army and skeleton army in any fantasy setting, It's just gonna be harder to use my Space Marines in another setting tho.
There is actually a 40k equivalent......kinda, which is Warhammer Quest: Blackstone Fortress. All the models for Blackstone Fortress and its expansions have gotten 40k rules, the only problem is that a lot of them are now out of production (after an admittedly pretty limited run) and Blackstone Fortress itself is being discontinued after the next expansion gets released, which is kinda a bummer. Unclear atm if GW have another 40k Warhammer Quest game waiting in the wings (considering Blackstone has done pretty well I wouldn't be surprised) but for now its up in the air as to what the future is
Nice shirt, I love TenHundred!
Honestly Imperial guard is a great 40k army for alt models. I have seen every type of soldier model used, from every era of blackpowder historical through WW2 and even other sci-fi games. Guard is just a good proxy army.
I try to be mindful of this. I picked up a set of tents from Renedra recently, I can use them for fantasy, western, or post apocalyptic. Likewise, the city terrain boards I bought could be used for 40k, modern, and post apocalyptic depending on the kind of buildings I put down.
I own and play (I know right, who actually plays miniature games) a core set of Warhammer Quest 1995. Couldn't get some of the original monster models, and I don't like the adventurer models (which I do have) so I bought Reaper miniatures for the monsters (giant rats, and Minotaurs) and I've bought miniatures from various companies, including GeeDubz, Reaper and Hasslefree Miniatures, for the adventurers to make them look like the iOS/Android/PC video game versions. Alternatives are out there, although it's dubious if they cost you significantly less.
Great video :D
Personally I use GaleForce Nines Gothic ruins for pretty much every game I play.
I try to make my models fit multiple funcions, sometimes within the same game system. Vampire counts/covenant or "Barrow Mounds" style Tomb Kings/Undying Dynasties, elves that could pass as either high or dark ones due to paintjob and iconography, using Perry miniatures Agincourt knights to do Bretonnians/historical army, etc. And almost everything pulls an extra shift as RPG models, particualrly if I play Warhammer FRP.
No Uncle Atom I am not "buying smart." Great vid!
You can do the same thing with that other game GW makes. Your Middle Earth Battle Company can be used in regular games of MESBG as just regular dudes.
Shop smart, shop S-Mart!
Nope, just buying. Gotta have it just in case. I use models for multiple games though.
I also just love building
I'm using Star Wars Legion "ARC Troopers" as "Imperial Guard Elysium Drop Troops" for 40K.
GW daemons are very good in this situation. You can use them in rol, specialist games and both of the big games of the company
Uncle Atom is channeling his inner Alton Brown. Don't buy unitaskers!
actually i‘d say blackstone fortress is sort of warhammer underworlds equivalent and the BF models get their own 40k rules