I’m only 26 but was born a JW. I quit the cult at 20 to go to college and realized how much socialization and exposure I had missed out due to this religion. I grind my teeth whenever I think about that. It’s really heavy on my heart
I resent all the time i wasted on relationships that were one way in aan attempt to "keep our family" close. But the past is what it is. Call it a life lesson and put it in the past as much as possible. Holding resentment only hurts you.
I woke up at 30 and my wife at 29. I was baptized when I was 18. After waking up I was in a very angry spot thinking about the time I lost. Then I watched a sweet woman who at 66 years old give her waking up at 65 story. It was so sad and she was so broken but thankful. And I told myself I would never spend another day letting WBTS dictate my feelings. Every day is not promised but you make every day count knowing you're free.
I've come to the conclusion recently that I am incredibly blessed being 25 and having grown up in a world where research is easy to do and freely available. The longer one is indoctrinated as well the harder it becomes to break that mindset even if you kinda know it's wrong. I hate the way my parents brought me up as do most people but they really didn't have the luxury of being able to research it. My mother has been a witness almost all her life (since 5 years old) so she certainly can barely imagine life being any different. It does suck though when you know it's false but you cannot convince your family to even look into it with an open mind.
@@Peekaboo-Kitty true. All I thought i said, was, that if they blame Satan, it's the same as blaming Jehovah. It's not and never will be Abba's name, who gave us all free will to do as we please. To be even worse than animals or rise above and realize our connection to El.
I resent the fact that I’m of an age to retire but can’t due to this religion. But what hurts me the most is that my son at 34, having been brought up as a JW struggles with what he wants to do and how he wants to live his life yet still being influenced by how I brought him up. I wish he could shake it all off and be peaceful to live his life how he wants
I often feel so guilty, I accepted this cult when my 2 children were young.. They came with me to meetings when they were young, but carried on going when they were adults. They both got baptized, my daughter married in "the truth" and got divorced after a couple of years, her husband was a dictator. My son married in "the truth" and they are still together, and are happy. We are all out now and feel free at last, but my guilt is, that I deprived them of Birthdays and Christmas etc, and so many years of their lives.😥
@@tracykay4551 Half a century ago, i read something i never forgot which sais that every disadvantage, carried with it, the seed of an equivalent advantage. And when we see the big picture of God's own plan, we see how all things end in a blessing for us and consequently, for the glory of Him, who, from the beginning, knew the finale. Trust Him and appreciate your freedom. You are no longer their victim. You won! Wonderful!!
@@tracykay4551 do you feel like you need to ask for their forgiveness? At the time I thought I was being a really good parent, now not so much. The only comfort I have is both of my sons have said that I wasn’t the strictest JW and that I was reasonable with things like if they came home with a piece of cake (cupcake saga) a classmate had given them I told them it was just cake if the kid in school wanted to call it birthday cake that was their choice not ours 😁
@@joancave4724 I have talked about it with both of my children, they were amazing about it all. I remember my daughter telling me, "mum, don't blame yourself, it was a protection for us, we are confident and we didn't do drug's or smoked."Bless her, she tried to tell me, it's ok, and my son is happy. I was never a demanding or strict "witness". When I started to send a card on their Birthday's, it was an amazing feeling, how sad is that! I am happy to say that despite their childhood, they both have very successful careers. I am so proud of them both, but the guilt is still there.
It’s fantastic to hear how quickly NXIVM was dealt with, and indeed justice was served, but also incredibly frustrating that the same lawful approach isn’t taken with Watchtower in relation to the mishandling of CSA
NXIVM was not a religious organization, WT is the harlot of government, right now they’re in bed together but soon it will turn on its lover. Religion gets away with so much more because it serves the interests of the governments
Lloyd uses music from Epidemic Sound which is a service designed for TH-camrs and streamers. Membership to the site means you have a license to use the music. Any royalty fees are included in your membership and you won't get copywriting struck. Long story short, I'm pretty sure you can only get the song from Epidemic. I'm not sure the song title but if you browse the site you could probably find it.
💚 LLoyd just when I think your superb broadcast can’t be topped, my jaw drops as another arrow hits home ! 45:15 regarding the shame of being misled -to paraphrase: ‘I went there and I decided I’m not going to stay here long’ Fantastic expose of yet another abuse of power. It is our decision. You help us process the gift of reclaiming our very SELVES, it’s no small gift. Sending love from USA
Anthony, I totally understand that feeling of wanting to take care of people you love and protect them harm by taking it into your own hands, violent or otherwise. I had a surgeon cause harm to my child and I went crazy. I kicked him out of her room, said he was not allowed to ever touch her again, not even look at her records. I honestly felt a rage I had never felt before, and it’s both satisfying and terrifying. I think I was feeling what I should have and so too we’re you.
OMG! 😱 I binged The Vow for the last two days and it is horrendous! It was so triggering to my JW upbringing to say the least. I recommend this to EVERYONE seriously. We all can be drawn into something like this because we all want to better ourselves, our talents and relationships with others. Thanks so much to Sarah and her husband, Mark and Bonnie, and all the others. Keith Rainier is definitely a narcissist and a sociopath
Amazing interviews with Nippy and Sarah, thank you. I'm now watching The Vow and find it riveting! Interesting how members of NXIVM also look to the 'organisation'.
Loved this interview. He's right about it being everywhere the macro and the micro. It's a process of the gradual breaking down of a person's boundaries. The science of coercive control has been used, honed and studied over the years and the mechanisms of control are well documented. Put to nefarious use by groups like nexium, JW, scientology etc etc all the way down to an abusive partner, boss or parent. Educating ourselves on identifying the signs and the basic techniques and various forms of coercive control is the best things we can do to protect ourselves and our loved ones.
I started watching The Vow after Sarah's interview, and it is absolutely phenomenal. Truthfully, the footage of Nancy and Keith is a bit triggering for me as an ex-JW. The manipulation and dishonesty are unconscionable.
The ruler's of the watchtower organization should be put in jail as well for the no blood rule that they have conned the rank and file members into believing. How many JWs have died because of that rule? Then they changed the rule to now you can accept blood fractions. Then the shunning policy that is in place is just wrong. That policy takes away the religious freedom from those who leave the org. Keep exposing the cults. Thank you both for sharing your story and helping to educate people about how cults operate.
I’m keen to see how Anthony and others involved look back on this ten years on. They are so freshly out of something that has been such a huge part of their lives. The intense psychological tinkering involved is so much more mind changing than your average cult. Having said that I’m aware of just how changed people are by their decades long involvement in cults/religions. Humans are inherently susceptible to being used in this way. The programming involved is largely subconscious and continues to influence us in various ways.
The part where he discusses the lost time/work is something I’m relating to. I’ve also experienced giving away many years of skills and work to a cult, and am struggling to apply lost years to the real world. Although they’re legitimate skills and talent, they're difficult to put on a resume, knowing that it leads into a subject that either looks bad, or something which I outright don’t want to talk about in most conversation. I’d be curious to hear his (and other people’s thoughts) on how they either come to terms with this block, or are able to apply the skills/years of work to the real world. Thank you for these interviews, they’re very helpful!
Can you imagine the guilt and shame of losing 65 million to a gritting con artist? Intelligent, successful people can and do fall victim all the time. This is useful information.
I’ve watched The Vow. The scenes where Keith is speaking to the group for women and the group for men separately and also in combination is some really dark twisted shit. The reactions of the people to what he was saying was some serious motivated reasoning turned up to a thousand to not see him as an evil psychopath.
@@melanieahrens6739 How? Do you think pretending to be one to get to the PIMO ones is a good idea. I would do it if they stop the zoom go back to in person meetings and do not require ritualistic shame muzzles to enter the KH.
@@ms.anonymousinformer242 No! Absolutely not! The way I read the “move on” comment is we have to just get on with our lives and not talk about the harm the organization does. That’s what a lot of current members of high-demand organizations tell ex-members to do. Telling the truth as Lloyd and other ex-JWs do is the best way to help.
I watched a mini type series with a girl named India I believe who’s mother was an actress on “Dallas”, who introduced NXIVM to her, left, but was advised that her daughter needed to get out of this cult, as she took it a little further. Where would I watch “ The Vow” - Netflix? If anyone knows would like to be informed if possible . Thank you, we need to hear of others under authoritarian control, warning to others ! 😌
Totally agree. That is my beef plus I cheated my children. We were not hard core and friends from school etc could come and stay but unbelievably 3 are still in. Now I begrudge people wasting my time talking about things like the ‘jab’ , just do it or not, plus anything that smells like propaganda stirs me up 🐸🐸
Is it just me? Honestly, this guy's story just sounds like he was in an MLM to make a few bucks. It doesn't sound like he was brainwashed or taken advantage of. Maybe it's a defensive stance, but he didn't come off like he was in a cult, he came off like he didn't like the company he worked for.
Suggesting Anthony's group wasn't a cult simply because his experience doesn't match perfectly with yours sounds an awful lot like a "no true Scotsman" fallacy to me. As he points out, he WAS taken advantage of in many ways, including the amount of time that was wasted. Please try to apply a little more empathy.
If you care, I'd suggest doing a little more research on it, cuz that's not even close. This was only an hour long conversation that danced on the surface of the subject matter.
Jehovah God is raising up millions of Witnesses and supporters of his earthly organization each and every year despite the thousands who apostasize each year. Nothing new under the sun there. Listen to the spirit of God not the spirit of heresy and you will know doing what you can for Jehovah Witnesses is the right course and then do what you can! Jehovah God will strengthen and bless you for it.
Nippy comes off as angry and entitled. He's not all that and a bag of chips. In fact, he should actually listen to himself. Perhaps it would be helpful for him to hear it from another man's voice. He's really damaged.
I’m only 26 but was born a JW. I quit the cult at 20 to go to college and realized how much socialization and exposure I had missed out due to this religion. I grind my teeth whenever I think about that. It’s really heavy on my heart
I'm 63 and I left them 40 years ago. Or, they left me. If I can do it you can, too. Best of good luck to you.
To take down a sociopath who is backed by an organization is no small achievement! Kudos!
I resent all the time i wasted on relationships that were one way in aan attempt to "keep our family" close.
But the past is what it is. Call it a life lesson and put it in the past as much as possible. Holding resentment only hurts you.
You know Lloyd, thank you for the frequency and quality of the content you provide. Really appreciate it
I woke up at 30 and my wife at 29. I was baptized when I was 18. After waking up I was in a very angry spot thinking about the time I lost. Then I watched a sweet woman who at 66 years old give her waking up at 65 story. It was so sad and she was so broken but thankful. And I told myself I would never spend another day letting WBTS dictate my feelings. Every day is not promised but you make every day count knowing you're free.
What did you wake up from?
@@muddywitch9016 google waking up from watchtower.
My brother feels like this. Confusing as we love our parents but the choices they made for us suck.
I've come to the conclusion recently that I am incredibly blessed being 25 and having grown up in a world where research is easy to do and freely available. The longer one is indoctrinated as well the harder it becomes to break that mindset even if you kinda know it's wrong. I hate the way my parents brought me up as do most people but they really didn't have the luxury of being able to research it. My mother has been a witness almost all her life (since 5 years old) so she certainly can barely imagine life being any different. It does suck though when you know it's false but you cannot convince your family to even look into it with an open mind.
@@Peekaboo-KittySad and yes,
it's such a disfunctional world...
@@Peekaboo-Kitty same difference! isn't it?
@@Peekaboo-Kitty true. All I thought i said, was, that if they blame Satan, it's the same as blaming Jehovah.
It's not and never will be Abba's name, who gave us all free will to do as we please. To be even worse than animals or rise above and realize our connection to El.
@@Peekaboo-Kitty so do l. Love is a choice. We do or we don't! I do. Agapao
A person who realises the waste of time is truly debriefed.
I resent the fact that I’m of an age to retire but can’t due to this religion. But what hurts me the most is that my son at 34, having been brought up as a JW struggles with what he wants to do and how he wants to live his life yet still being influenced by how I brought him up. I wish he could shake it all off and be peaceful to live his life how he wants
I often feel so guilty, I accepted this cult when my 2 children were young.. They came with me to meetings when they were young, but carried on going when they were adults. They both got baptized, my daughter married in "the truth" and got divorced after a couple of years, her husband was a dictator. My son married in "the truth" and they are still together, and are happy. We are all out now and feel free at last, but my guilt is, that I deprived them of Birthdays and Christmas etc, and so many years of their lives.😥
@@tracykay4551 Half a century ago, i read something i never forgot which sais that every disadvantage, carried with it, the seed of an equivalent advantage. And when we see the big picture of God's own plan, we see how all things end in a blessing for us and consequently, for the glory of Him, who, from the beginning, knew the finale. Trust Him and appreciate your freedom. You are no longer their victim. You won! Wonderful!!
@@tracykay4551 do you feel like you need to ask for their forgiveness? At the time I thought I was being a really good parent, now not so much. The only comfort I have is both of my sons have said that I wasn’t the strictest JW and that I was reasonable with things like if they came home with a piece of cake (cupcake saga) a classmate had given them I told them it was just cake if the kid in school wanted to call it birthday cake that was their choice not ours 😁
@@theresefournier3269 Thank you for your encouraging words.x
@@joancave4724 I have talked about it with both of my children, they were amazing about it all. I remember my daughter telling me, "mum, don't blame yourself, it was a protection for us, we are confident and we didn't do drug's or smoked."Bless her, she tried to tell me, it's ok, and my son is happy. I was never a demanding or strict "witness". When I started to send a card on their Birthday's, it was an amazing feeling, how sad is that! I am happy to say that despite their childhood, they both have very successful careers. I am so proud of them both, but the guilt is still there.
Yes Yes ,
It's the Time . . Lost to This False Religion , that Burns me up the Most !! 😣
Especially if you are "born into" this Nonsense !! 😠
I hope he continues doing good for the world. They both deserve a Happy life after the clutches of the cult!
It’s fantastic to hear how quickly NXIVM was dealt with, and indeed justice was served, but also incredibly frustrating that the same lawful approach isn’t taken with Watchtower in relation to the mishandling of CSA
NXIVM was not a religious organization, WT is the harlot of government, right now they’re in bed together but soon it will turn on its lover. Religion gets away with so much more because it serves the interests of the governments
Nippy ..you did yourself proud..grounded in integrity --lots of respect.
I felt the same way, I resented all the years I lost to them also but I have finally moved on.
Two handsome men protecting their families and helping others ❤
I just woke up after 25 years.... love the background song, could any one please tell me what is it called? great job Lloyd, greetings from Florida!!!
Lloyd uses music from Epidemic Sound which is a service designed for TH-camrs and streamers. Membership to the site means you have a license to use the music. Any royalty fees are included in your membership and you won't get copywriting struck.
Long story short, I'm pretty sure you can only get the song from Epidemic. I'm not sure the song title but if you browse the site you could probably find it.
The song is called “Not Forever” feat. Dinah Smith by Duplex Heart. I downloaded the song on iTunes.
Thanks for sharing... Peace joy and happiness to you all 💞🙌💞🙌
💚 LLoyd just when I think your superb broadcast can’t be topped, my jaw drops as another arrow hits home !
45:15 regarding the shame of being misled -to paraphrase: ‘I went there and I decided I’m not going to stay here long’
Fantastic expose of yet another abuse of power. It is our decision. You help us process the gift of reclaiming our very SELVES, it’s no small gift. Sending love from USA
Anthony, I totally understand that feeling of wanting to take care of people you love and protect them harm by taking it into your own hands, violent or otherwise. I had a surgeon cause harm to my child and I went crazy. I kicked him out of her room, said he was not allowed to ever touch her again, not even look at her records. I honestly felt a rage I had never felt before, and it’s both satisfying and terrifying. I think I was feeling what I should have and so too we’re you.
OMG! 😱 I binged The Vow for the last two days and it is horrendous! It was so triggering to my JW upbringing to say the least. I recommend this to EVERYONE seriously. We all can be drawn into something like this because we all want to better ourselves, our talents and relationships with others. Thanks so much to Sarah and her husband, Mark and Bonnie, and all the others. Keith Rainier is definitely a narcissist and a sociopath
Amazing interviews with Nippy and Sarah, thank you. I'm now watching The Vow and find it riveting! Interesting how members of NXIVM also look to the 'organisation'.
Loved this interview. He's right about it being everywhere the macro and the micro. It's a process of the gradual breaking down of a person's boundaries. The science of coercive control has been used, honed and studied over the years and the mechanisms of control are well documented. Put to nefarious use by groups like nexium, JW, scientology etc etc all the way down to an abusive partner, boss or parent. Educating ourselves on identifying the signs and the basic techniques and various forms of coercive control is the best things we can do to protect ourselves and our loved ones.
I have similar feelings of guilt, responsibility, and loss, loss of time and energy investing in nothing to show for it! Grrrr
I started watching The Vow after Sarah's interview, and it is absolutely phenomenal. Truthfully, the footage of Nancy and Keith is a bit triggering for me as an ex-JW. The manipulation and dishonesty are unconscionable.
Me too.
The ruler's of the watchtower organization should be put in jail as well for the no blood rule that they have conned the rank and file members into believing. How many JWs have died because of that rule? Then they changed the rule to now you can accept blood fractions. Then the shunning policy that is in place is just wrong. That policy takes away the religious freedom from those who leave the org. Keep exposing the cults. Thank you both for sharing your story and helping to educate people about how cults operate.
I love these interviews, thank you Lloyd.
Ability; Lloyd's #1 Super Power!
I’m keen to see how Anthony and others involved look back on this ten years on. They are so freshly out of something that has been such a huge part of their lives. The intense psychological tinkering involved is so much more mind changing than your average cult.
Having said that I’m aware of just how changed people are by their decades long involvement in cults/religions. Humans are inherently susceptible to being used in this way. The programming involved is largely subconscious and continues to influence us in various ways.
The part where he discusses the lost time/work is something I’m relating to. I’ve also experienced giving away many years of skills and work to a cult, and am struggling to apply lost years to the real world. Although they’re legitimate skills and talent, they're difficult to put on a resume, knowing that it leads into a subject that either looks bad, or something which I outright don’t want to talk about in most conversation. I’d be curious to hear his (and other people’s thoughts) on how they either come to terms with this block, or are able to apply the skills/years of work to the real world.
Thank you for these interviews, they’re very helpful!
In at 26.6 minutes....it’s the old known common story of the frog getting slowly cooked 🐸
Another great interview. I just finished watching THE VOW. Wild, just wild....
I really appreciate where this guy goes with everything he gets in to .I relate to this a lot.
So interesting when you do these interviews with other ex cult members. Ty
Oh this outta be great!❤👍
This is a good example of the damage MARKETING can do no matter whatever the product.
Can you imagine the guilt and shame of losing 65 million to a gritting con artist? Intelligent, successful people can and do fall victim all the time. This is useful information.
Still wish we lived in a world you can beat the crap out of someone and authorities just shrug their shoulders and say Meh the guy deserved it.
I’ve watched The Vow. The scenes where Keith is speaking to the group for women and the group for men separately and also in combination is some really dark twisted shit. The reactions of the people to what he was saying was some serious motivated reasoning turned up to a thousand to not see him as an evil psychopath.
Great interview. I keep waiting for someone to acknowledge that the FBI took quick action for a bunch of attractive educated white people.
I've watched as far as part 5 of The Vow - I definitely recommend it!
You have to move on, there's nothing we can do to get the time back
You can help others get out and have more years of their lives to live, though.
This is very true
@@melanieahrens6739 How? Do you think pretending to be one to get to the PIMO ones is a good idea. I would do it if they stop the zoom go back to in person meetings and do not require ritualistic shame muzzles to enter the KH.
@@ms.anonymousinformer242 No! Absolutely not! The way I read the “move on” comment is we have to just get on with our lives and not talk about the harm the organization does. That’s what a lot of current members of high-demand organizations tell ex-members to do. Telling the truth as Lloyd and other ex-JWs do is the best way to help.
I feel hatred for the governing body . im thankful most of them only have about 10 years left
I have lately been thinking it is a relief that all people do die eventually 😄
I resent all the time I spend with my wife.
Please don't forget to create "CultGuy"! ;-)
The Vow just went onto my watch list :)
I watched a mini type series with a girl named India I believe who’s mother was an actress on “Dallas”, who introduced NXIVM to her, left, but was advised that her daughter needed to get out of this cult, as she took it a little further. Where would I watch “ The Vow” - Netflix? If anyone knows would like to be informed if possible . Thank you, we need to hear of others under authoritarian control, warning to others ! 😌
I watched it on HBO Max through Hulu
@@luna-p Thank you, unfortunately I only get HBO1 & HBO2 Not Max ! Thanks for the reply 🙂 🍃🌼🍃🌺🍃🌻🍃🌸
@@marie-clairedelongchamp1330 You could do a free trial. That's what I did initially to watch another documentary
I’ve looked everywhere in the uk 🇬🇧 to try and watch the vow and can’t - does anyone know where I can xx
I don't know if it's still available, but a few websites said NowTV and Sky Documentaries. Otherwise, if you have a VPN, you can access US stuff.
One of you needs to check your email 😂😂😂
Anthony gave me a different perspective regarding investment, etc.
Should I have watched his wife’s video first? I’m kinda lost about what he said.
Nippy is one cool dude!!😎
Totally agree. That is my beef plus I cheated my children. We were not hard core and friends from school etc could come and stay but unbelievably 3 are still in. Now I begrudge people wasting my time talking about things like the ‘jab’ , just do it or not, plus anything that smells like propaganda stirs me up 🐸🐸
Half way through and have no idea what organisation he’s talking about
I’m lost as to what I just watched.
Is it just me? Honestly, this guy's story just sounds like he was in an MLM to make a few bucks. It doesn't sound like he was brainwashed or taken advantage of. Maybe it's a defensive stance, but he didn't come off like he was in a cult, he came off like he didn't like the company he worked for.
Suggesting Anthony's group wasn't a cult simply because his experience doesn't match perfectly with yours sounds an awful lot like a "no true Scotsman" fallacy to me. As he points out, he WAS taken advantage of in many ways, including the amount of time that was wasted. Please try to apply a little more empathy.
If you care, I'd suggest doing a little more research on it, cuz that's not even close. This was only an hour long conversation that danced on the surface of the subject matter.
Jehovah God is raising up millions of Witnesses and supporters of his earthly organization each and every year despite the thousands who apostasize each year. Nothing new under the sun there. Listen to the spirit of God not the spirit of heresy and you will know doing what you can for Jehovah Witnesses is the right course and then do what you can! Jehovah God will strengthen and bless you for it.
Nippy comes off as angry and entitled. He's not all that and a bag of chips. In fact, he should actually listen to himself. Perhaps it would be helpful for him to hear it from another man's voice. He's really damaged.