oh man I wish I was right lol, I'll continue believing there are Ent Wives out there but it'll always be in the back of my head that they're probably gone. I love the Ents and when they die out Middle Earths forests will suffer greatly. Lets hope the fires get put out in Australia
My hope is the Entwives came back west in the fourth age and made Mordor green and beautiful after it was free of Sauron and his orcs. The name of Mordor erased forevermore. Just a thought.
I think that is my favorite as well. A renewal of life after death, reward after strife. A very christian idea, one perhaps Tolkein himself may come up with.
CHECK MATE Thanks my friend. Exactly that's what I see happening in the post Sauron era for these lands. Nature wins in the end. All will be healed in time.
Reminds me of my wife’s great grandfather when he was very old. He said his wife had gone to a certain village to work there. But in reality that was where she was buried. His failing mind dealt with it that way I guess.
Well think about it .. Hes the oldest living thing in middle earth next to bombaidil.... They even say that in the council of elrond chapter... They say bombadil is oldest and fatherless.. And fangorn is supposed to be almost as old as him... How far back does your memory go... You think youd be able to remember something that happened 1000s of years ago... I know i wouldn't...i know elrond does because hes an elf...give treebeard a break hes older than elrond and the stuff with the ents took place before even him... So yea give thw tree a break.. Lol
In LOTRO you could find 5(?) Flowers in Tom's old forest that apparently marks the place an individual entwife was last seen, tho if they are dormant they are indistinguishable from the other trees in the area, wich is a nice comforting thought.
@@scottmantooth8785 I don't think Tom Bombadil is the type of person to give straight answers. There is always the chance he will give you an answer, but I wouldn't count on it being a clear answer.
@@naofumi5616 agreed...it would be a cryptic riddle with just enough information to give you the impression that you had an answer when in actuality you came away with even more questions that you started with
The fact that we don’t know their ultimate fate really adds to the real-life feeling that Middle-Earth has always had. Not every angle has to have a full backstory to explain every detail. Really nice video!
I love this point! No one human knows all of the earth's comings and goings, so it's quite realistic that though Tolkien invented the history, he should not have known all the happenings.
It's really hard hitting. I recently listened to the entire Trilogy in the form of the audiobook. The recording predates the films and the reader they chose is amazing. He actually sings the songs/poems that appear in the books, and his rendition of the song of the entwives is really beautiful. Thought I'd share, I'm not sure how well know this audiobook version is. Its from a time when they still called them books on tape. : p
The thing about that is that they would probably meet the Easterlings which is almost as bad if not worse than being enslaved by Sauron in Middle Earth.
If you rewatch when the hobbits first meet the Ents. They include a single line as the the where abouts of the Entwives. It mentioned a fellow hobbit spoke of moving and talking trees. The Entwives could be off The Shire's borders.
Since Sam's cousin supposedly saw a walking tree and Treebeard asks whether Merry or Pippin had seen any in the Shire, noting that they would have liked it there, I believe that Sam's cousin did indeed see an Entwife.
I read online a post from a fellow whose father met Tolkien and was told the entwives "might be" in the forest bordering the Sea of Rhun.. he uploaded a screenshot of a Middle Earth map, where Tolkien wrote a note indicating where they went. I'll see if I can track down the link...
Correction: The Ents _came into the world before_ elves. "Ere elf sang or hammer rang ... it walked the forests long ago." They were created by Yavanna in response to the vision of Iluvatar's first children, and foreseeing a need to protect the forests. The Ainur knew the elves were to come, and were preparing the world for them. Yavanna's concern and the remedy are related to that pre-awakening period. The Ents were walking the forests and protecting the trees before the elves awoke.
And Gandalf says to Theoden: "For when you speak to Treebeard you will learn much. For you will hear the speech of the oldest living thing in Middle-Earth"
Yet Treebeard says that the Ents were trees awakened to consciousness by the first elves speaking to the trees and claims that as a debt the Ents still owe the elves. And as one of the original Ents, he ought to know.
I agree this setting is so carefully crafted but I can't help but feel an overwhelming sense of depression about it all. Every fantastical element of the setting slowly dieing out. Everything but man becoming extinct. It's all pretty sad if you think about it
Its insane to think that this entire universe, all its inhabitants and their histories, all the lore and everything came from one man's mind. Its a gift that never stops giving.
Well, I think it says something about college when you don’t have time to watch one of your favorite TH-cam channels until now. Still, I am glad to see one of these again. Yoystan, I see the logo’s changed slightly, and the channel’s grown, that’s awesome. Keep it up in the new year.
Good to hear from you Paul! It has been a while! I completely understand the college thing though, I am right there with you! Happy New Year, my friend!
Its well known in the appendices that the Ent wives got sick of the same old, repetitive joke the Ents kept telling about having morning wood. It got seriously old.
Since you included some awesome screenshots from Lord of the Rings Online, I remember that apart from the quests in the Brown Lands involing the Gardens of the Ent Wives, there was one other occasion where the developers gave their idea what happened to the Ent Wives. There was a deed in the Old Forest, where you could find 8 Flowers that had something to do with the Entwives. So I looked it up and this is what Goldberry had to say about it in the game: "Greetings, Traveler. You have seen an unusual breed of flower that grows within the depths of the Old Forest? Their origins are most unusual. As the old tale goes, eight Entwives came into this forest from the distant south many years ago and took shelter here beneath the boughs of the Old Forest. But darkness was everywhere in the lands in those times, and Tom thought it wise that the sisters should pass into the heart of the forest where no evil might reach. The flowers I speak of mark the places where each of the Entwives disappeared into the weave of the forest, and it is possible to understand their nature in those places. Only Tom knows when or if they will ever awaken from their slumber, and he will not tell even me!" I think the developers are doing a great job of taking something left unclear/vague in Tolkien's works and putting their own spin on it and make awesome quests.
I think there must be an afterlife existence for both Ents and Entwives, as there is for Elves. Only that can explain the legend that the Ents and Entwives would be reunited. However, I also like the theory that a few surviving Entwives came west to the Shire; but learning from their mistake in the Brown Lands, which had led to the destruction of the Men they had tried to help, they choose to remain hidden from the hobbits, disguising themselves as trees, and only moving with great stealth in times of great need. Perhaps they found a secret way of communicating their skills in agriculture to the hobbits, maybe through dreams. The hobbits must have learned their impressive agricultural skills somehow, after crossing into Eriador, and it can’t have been from the Men of Bree, as the Shirefolk were superior to Bree hobbits in agriculture. Perhaps in the Fourth Age, a few Ents will journey to the Shire, and there discover the long lost Entwives...
Or perhaps, like the Ents, the Entwives did not all stay in one place but were spread far and wide the Entwives in the now brownlands could vary well all been destroyed, but who can say that all the Entwives were in the brownlands. My thoughts are that some of the Entwives went to the shire and others to any place of similar natural beauty.
I can't remember where I read this, but Galadriel tells Treebeard that she would not meet the ents again until the lands under the wave rise: "then in the willow-meads of Tasarinan we may meet in the spring. Farewell." so I have hope that the Entwives and Enthusbands meets again when all evil of Middle Earth vanishes.
Realistically I think that when they went East they went into lands that were under Sauron's influence and thus were probably destroyed. However another darker theory could be that since we know Morgoth corrupted Ents he captured to become Trolls, and since Sauron was Morgoth's lieutenant, he followed suit. On a lighter note, I hope they were able to escape Sauron and founded new gardens in the far South, but they wouldn't have gone north to be reunited since it is heavily implied that the Fourth Age was the last Age of the Ents. Love your videos, keep doing great! They make my day every time I see them!
@@maxpower3990 That could be true, I was always under the impression that trolls were twisted Ents, similar to how Morgoth made Orcs from newly awakened Elves he captured. It also seems that Tolkien himself never came up with a super concrete answer to how they came about, as some of his later writings say that Trolls existed naturally and simply fell under the thrall of Morgoth and Sauron, but other versions imply that they were created/mutated from Ents that were captured. Either way, we do know that like some Elves, Ents were captured by Morgoth at the beginning of the First Age, and then Trolls were mentioned as appearing after that.
@@connorross4571 Perhaps, it depends on what you read. Some say that he just imitated what Illuvatar created, but since Morgoth didn't have the ability to create life from nothing like Illuvatar, only corrupt what existed, Trolls had to have come from some previously existing creature. This could mean that Trolls always existed as Trolls and Morgoth turned them to evil, or that he did indeed capture and corrupt Ents. Corrupting Ents would fall in line with what he did to create the Orcs (corrupting Elves he captured). Whatever the case may be, like I said Tolkien himself didn't even have a fully concrete answer as to whether or not Trolls were an entirely separate creature, or corrupted Ents. I stick to the theory that Morgoth captured Ents and turned them into Trolls, just like what he did with Elves to make Orcs.
One point of correction: According to the Silmarillion, the dwarves (created by Aule) and the ents were both created by Valar BEFORE the elves, but since they were not powerful enough, they were unable to give their creations true independence. Illuvatar had sympathy for their creations,and agreed to give them a real life of their own, but only after the elves had time to establish themselves. So while the elves awoke to conscious existence first (the first-born), the ents and dwarves were actually created earlier (= they are older). My own feeling is that Tolkein -- who stated himself that the ents were a representative of the Pictish race -- wanted to allude to the great and REAL (historical) mystery of what happened to the Picts, and so invented a story in which their wives disappeared making it impossible for them to procreate anymore. In time that would doom a race to eventual extinction, and it would leave only a tiny remnant in our modern age, just as the Picts virtually disappeared from Britain's genetic pool in real life, yet the REASON for the disappearance is still a mystery.
I had assumed that they felt the rise of Sauron and travelled north within the great forests of the time. They then ended up north of the Shore. Don't forget Sam's comment that his brother saw an Ent.
Before the video starts I want to make my guess too! For a long time I've guessed the Entwives are in Bree-land, in Bonfire Glade. Here is a quote: "'They do say the trees do actually move, and can surround strangers and hem them in. In fact long ago they attacked the Hedge: they came and planted themselves right by it, and leaned over it. But the hobbits came and cut down hundreds of trees, and made a great bonfire in the Forest, and burned all the ground in a long strip east of the Hedge. After that the trees gave up the attack, but they became very unfriendly. There is still a wide bare space not far inside where the bonfire was made.'" - Merry, The Fellowship of the Ring It adds extra weight when Treebeard asks Merry and Pippin if they have any idea if they know where the Entwives are.
I always found it an understated and terrifying thing. To lose a wife is tragic, but half of your species...forgotten. It's so evil, to the point where I suspect Melkor cast terrible magic to make them forget.
I always assumed that Sauron enslaved and later murdered all of the Entwives. It's bleak a assumption, but I can think of no other plausible alternatives given the situation. That said, maybe they fled east into Rhun and managed to escape Sauron's grasp.
Females and a powermonger, rockstar type who bends followers to his will. It's plausible that he seduced them with false promises, told them what they wanted to hear and by following him they changed from creatures beautiful into something hideous and vengeful - kinda like, um trolls. The remaining ents are better off without such creatures.
@Semper Intrepidus , that sound very hateful toward the female version of Ent. I Basically you are saying that the Entwives were so easily turned to be evil.
Considering the kinship with Hobbits and the fact I believe I read somewhere that Rivendell, Mirkwood, Fangorn and the Old Forest all used to be one giant forest, I’d like to believe that at least SOME of the Ent Wives travelled to the North, in and around the Shire, perhaps on the borders. They fell asleep there, where they were protected by the Dunedain/Rangers, were loved and cared for by The Hobbits and visited by Elves on their way to the Grey Havens (which would not have sent any word back to Fangorn - as even Elves were increasingly wary of Ancient Forests such as Fangorn and Mirkwood during The War of the Ring). It is possible even some well known trees, such as the one growing above Bag End or perhaps The Party Tree, were once Entwives. It is my hope that during the Fourth Age, during the peaceful period after the Scouring of the Shire - That the emergence of an elven Mallorn tree in The Shire, given to Sam by Galadriel, planted to replace the Party Tree, and known as the only Mallorn Tree west of the Misty Mountains, that the ancient magic of the Tree, might be enough to cleanse the Old Forest and awaken any Entwives or Entings that might be sleeping in The North. With renewed hope, they might decide to leave The Shire, now knowing the War is over and the lands are safe and open to travel again, and they could head South to Isengard and hopefully find Fangorn there.
this is similar to a theory I have except instead of the Entwives escaping the brownlands I think that not all Entwives were in the brownlands, like the Ents, they would not be so localized but spread far and wide. The Old Forest could be where the Ents stayed while their wives lived in the Shire same with Mirkwood and the banks of the Anduin
“When Summer lies upon the world, and in a noon of gold, Beneath the roof of sleeping leaves the dreams of trees unfold; When woodland halls are green and cool, and wind is in the West, Come back to me! Come back to me, and say my land is best!” ― Treebeard ― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Two Towers
"More than memory" that phrase alone deserves recognition and praise... far more than memory i would say! far more! thank you brother! Tolkien is brilliant!
Thank you for this! Tolkien is the reason for my love of reading and fantasy 💛 I often wondered what happened to the entwives. As sad as this concluded... I still have hope, I some times had thoughts of lil' entings being raised by Tom bombadil and the riverwomans daughter
Thanks for this Yoystan, it deserves a video of its own. The Ents have always been my favourite of Tolkien's creations after the Dwarves. I like to think the Professor at least toyed with the idea that a small enclave of Entwives survived in the western hills just beyond the Shire. Waiting sadly for their lost lovers to join them. It honestly makes the most sense to me, but I cannot deny its more of a Hope than anything else on my part. I made it so in my Fourth Age Game anyway. After all JRRT was a great believer in hope.
Wow what a Coincidence I just finished treebeards March in the to Towers. And was thinking about the Ent wives. Thanks for the video. I’m just a tad nervous your in my mind.
in fellowship when Sam is talking to the miller Ted Sandyman he states that his cousin Hal had claimed seen a tree-man or giant walking seven yards to the stride in the northfarthing at Overhill, this always gave me hope that the entwives had made it as far west as the shire, unfortunately there is no mention of direct dialogue between treebeard and Samwise during the story, the only time they are in the same vicinity is on the journey home at isengard and sam never mentions the story to treebeard
@@MenoftheWest Yeah, sad that Elrond or Gandalf can't be there to conjure a flood to quench them, nor Ulmo to send rain not just for the fires but the struggling farmers as well, but that time in Middle Earth has already ended and its up to the efforts of Men to fight off this "New Sauron".
Thank you so much. I wish I could have watched this earlier, but my internet was down. I look forward to your videos a lot and I really appreciate your most recent live stream. I really liked it. Happy 2020 and I really love watching your videos. I am a fellow Tolkien lover!
What a timely video, considering what is happening to our world amid environmental challenges. We are supposed to be stewards of Creation, and this story on the Entwives should serve reminder. I am writing this while under the threat of a bushfire catastrophe in Australia. Fires like this would probably have killed Ents and their wives. Let us all remember our duty of stewardship to all that is good in the world.
*Tries to get tears away from my eyes* That's so sad!!! 😭😭😭😭😭 *Blows Nose* I am good now!!! It is believe, that there isn't a proper answer...I really hope there are into the west!!! Thanks for this sad video Mellon, Until the Epic History of Middle Earth in a Whole Long Video...Marion Baggins Out!!!
Funny, I was just listening to the Two Towers a few days ago and Treebeard was talking off the Entwives and I thought I should look up what happened to them, and then you upload this. What fortuitous timing. Thanks for the vid
Middle Earth is far more complex than most tales and loss and sorrow are strong threads within it. Tolkeins experiences in the Great War was an influence on that making life less certain with no real "happy ever after" and a yearning for times past. The one joy he must have had is through his children and is reflected in the spark of hope in Middle Earth that is the enigmatic Tom Bombadil. Tolkein said that. at times, some tails are better left unfinished and so many threads throughout his works are left unfinished and (maybe) that is one of the strengths of Tolkein in that he left his audience wondering with ifs; buts; and maybes.
Did the Ents and the Ent-Wives have spirits given to them by Eru Illuvatar, as he did the Dwarves and claim them as his step children? That is something not written about in the Silmarillion nor the Unfinished Tales. Perhaps Sauron took them and warped them, as Morgoth warped the Elves into Orcs. I hope a few traveled North to the Eriador and the Old Forest. Remember Merry talking about the walking trees that had been seen there, andTreebeard did mention that the Shire would be a place the Ent-Wives would enjoy, after he heard a desription of the Shire from Merry and Pippin. Maybe Tom Bombadil was giving them shelter from the ravages of the world and the threats of the third age? Since he was never asked about them he never thought to mention them to anyone who wanted to know. Maybe when Gandalf went to talk to old Tom, he asked then? I hope Quickbeam in the 4th age decided to travel to teh Shire and look for them there.
"O Kementári, Eru hath spoken, saying: "Do then any of the Valar suppose that I did not hear all the Song, even the least sound of the least voice? Behold! When the Children awake, then the thought of Yavanna will awake also, and it will summon spirits from afar, and they will go among the kelvar and the olvar, and some will dwell therein, and be held in reverence, and their just anger shall be feared." -The Silmarillion. The Kelvar being animals, and Olvar being plants. So it seems spirits inhabited the first Ents at least, but whether they were feär (souls) or some other undefined type of spirit that actually became the Ents (I wouldn't take the wording to imply they were Maiar), it doesn't say.
Perhaps they were used to build the great builds of of Sauron, until they were of no use to the fallen Maia. Sadly, when I, myself, studied the former lands inhabited my the Ents and their Entwives, were mostly scorched, dead, and desolate. Perhaps the Entwives fell out of existence, simply because they had no use to the lands they inhabited, so they died out. A happier belief of mine, though it has no backings, they live with the Valar and Maiar, tending to the lands and agriculture in the Holy Lands. Perhaps, in the future, Christopher or his descendants, will specify what happened to them. Lovely video, thank you for posting all that you do.
At the start of LOTR there was a reference to the entwives when a few Hobbits were arguing in the Tavern, one of them (Sam or his father, can't remember) said that someone had seen a tree walk.
As much as I like Tolkien, I feel he was prejudiced against certain biomes. He saw deserts and wastelands as corrupt and polluted. Same goes for wetlands. But those places are just as natural and vital as lush grasslands and forests and just as full of life. I grew up in the desert and it will always be a part of who I am.
Before I watch this I'll share: I always assumed at least some were captured And used to create/ breed trolls. There are the eastern lands, however, that Tolkien never got around to, plenty of land and people to create literally Endless possibilities; it's this unknown web that the blue wizards disappeared into, for example.
I think it's best summed up in the final verse of the poem you put at the beginning: "Together we will take the road that leads into the West, And far away will find a land where both our hearts may rest." The West obviously pointing towards Valinor, where there would most certainly be such a land for them. This does, however, indicate that they won't meet again until they die, confirming the deaths of the Entwives.
You have so many good videos! I love it when I see a notification that says "Men in the West just uploaded". I do wonder however what your opinion is on LotR The Third Age, released in 2004. Anyway, your videos are truly amazing.
Good video yoystan. And here’s my theory about the entwives. “When Sauron came to the gardens of the entwives. Yavanna in all her splendor halted the armies of darkness with a barrage of vines, and took the entwives to the undying lands to be safe. After that Sauron made sure to destroy their precious gardens as a warning if they should ever return so he himself first let loose a blast of fire, and decay and the entwives saw in horror through the eyes of yavanna in the undying lands of what happened to their home and decided to stay but a few went back to middle earth to live in the lands now know as the shire.” After that they assumed their husbands died in the war of the last alliance and that’s why they stay in the shire but a few traveled to Lorien to hear of news of their husbands and I believe in the early fourth age the entwives reunited with the ents and treebeard saw his beloved wife again and all ents and entwives returned to the undying lands to live in peace and love!
I sorta think along the lines of it's made to be a mystery. Like Tom bombadil. It could be any number of things. But just like with our world even if we cant find an answer. It's just fun to think about and discuss it with others.
"Booooooooooorrrrrrrraaaaaaarrrrrrrooooooommmmmmm.....there have been no Entings for a terrible long count of years......" While it is likely that they were destroyed by Sauron I also like to think that some of them simply became more tree-ish since they were separated from the Ents for so long they went to sleep and never woke up Plus if they were just as forgetful as Treebeard then maybe they didnt remember what ents looked like either?!? 🤔🤷🏻♂️
I HAVE A QUESTION I NEED HELP WITH, PLEASE!!! First off, I am quite pleased with the timing of this video. I am in the midst of writing a creative project for a final in my Tolkien Mythology course about the Entwives. I am attempting to write it from the perspective of *most* Entwives perishing before the Third Age. I am far too hesitant to write of Fimbrethil's death and would prefer to keep Tolkien's companionship narrative alive along with Fangorn. May I please have suggestions as to where the remaining Entwives had gone? They are supposed to appear again "in the willow-meads of Tasarinan" but I would like to have a feasible place for them to have wandered. Is the Shire too distant from the Entwash? Could I perhaps incorporate Andor or was it totally submerged under the wave? Please and thank you, I would love to have some proper suggestions as to where I can take this. xx
My personal headcanon is that some Entwives escaped the destruction of their lands by fleeing East, beyond Rhun, perhaps even beyond the Iron Hills. There Alatar and/or Pallando found and aided them, teaching them how to conceal themselves more effectively even as the wizards stirred up trouble for Sauron in the East. While the Blue Wizards were ultimately no match for Sauron a portion of the Entwives survived, creating hidden gardens and oases in arid or even desolate lands. They were wary of contact with other peoples, and it was decades if not centuries after Sauron's defeat before they would have any contact. Eventually they are persuaded to come out and assist with healing the lands which had been blighted. They never do reunite with the Ents. Much as Treebeard had found their gardens transformed into the Brown Lands, by the time they return to Fangorn the Ents have left and no one knows where to.
I read a comment on a similar video that the entwives represent the freinds lost in war (going off the world war influence in quite a bit of LotR). The reason why it’s never really clarified what happened to them (“we have lost them, and we just can’t find them”) is the hope and unwillingness to give up on MIA soldiers, who may perhaps have just been lost, and will walk in the door to the local pub 30 years late to the post-war reunion.
Before this video starts I want to make my guess!
My guess is that they just can't find them lol
oh man I wish I was right lol, I'll continue believing there are Ent Wives out there but it'll always be in the back of my head that they're probably gone. I love the Ents and when they die out Middle Earths forests will suffer greatly.
Lets hope the fires get put out in Australia
oh jeez I got pinned! lol I just refreshed my computer 😂
Hahaha!
"Nooooooooooooooo, we. Lost. Them. And now.....we.....cannot...find th3m!"
Do not be hasty, young Alec
My hope is the Entwives came back west in the fourth age and made Mordor green and beautiful after it was free of Sauron and his orcs. The name of Mordor erased forevermore. Just a thought.
Alexi S. Ooh, I like this. I’m adopting it as my own head canon.
Morgan Freeman Sweet!, yeah go ahead cool, nice cheers thanks.
Nice theory, Sauron destroyed their lands. Now they flourish his lands with nature.
I think that is my favorite as well. A renewal of life after death, reward after strife. A very christian idea, one perhaps Tolkein himself may come up with.
CHECK MATE Thanks my friend. Exactly that's what I see happening in the post Sauron era for these lands. Nature wins in the end. All will be healed in time.
Reminds me of my wife’s great grandfather when he was very old. He said his wife had gone to a certain village to work there. But in reality that was where she was buried. His failing mind dealt with it that way I guess.
Oh, how sad! But, yes, that was probably easier to bear.
...I’m sorry, how did they die?
Die? No, they did not die.
We have lost them, and now we cannot find them.”
"what do they look like?"
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"...I can't remember..."
Saddest line 😭
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'What happened to the entwives?'
'I can't remember'-Treebeard, Best husband ever.
He was wounded in one of the great battles long ago, so amnesia might play a part.
Or maybe he just dont like to talk about his sorrows...
To be fair they disappeared centuries ago
Well think about it
.. Hes the oldest living thing in middle earth next to bombaidil.... They even say that in the council of elrond chapter... They say bombadil is oldest and fatherless.. And fangorn is supposed to be almost as old as him... How far back does your memory go... You think youd be able to remember something that happened 1000s of years ago... I know i wouldn't...i know elrond does because hes an elf...give treebeard a break hes older than elrond and the stuff with the ents took place before even him... So yea give thw tree a break.. Lol
@@joshsemo4214 I rarely remember what I did this morning, let alone centuries ago.
Tom Bombadil might know what became of them. They might even be in the old forest.
In LOTRO you could find 5(?) Flowers in Tom's old forest that apparently marks the place an individual entwife was last seen, tho if they are dormant they are indistinguishable from the other trees in the area, wich is a nice comforting thought.
@@MrBigCookieCrumble I believe there are 8 flowers.
did anyone ever think to ask him? and would he have even divulged the information if it was not their time to return?
@@scottmantooth8785 I don't think Tom Bombadil is the type of person to give straight answers. There is always the chance he will give you an answer, but I wouldn't count on it being a clear answer.
@@naofumi5616 agreed...it would be a cryptic riddle with just enough information to give you the impression that you had an answer when in actuality you came away with even more questions that you started with
The fact that we don’t know their ultimate fate really adds to the real-life feeling that Middle-Earth has always had. Not every angle has to have a full backstory to explain every detail. Really nice video!
I love this point! No one human knows all of the earth's comings and goings, so it's quite realistic that though Tolkien invented the history, he should not have known all the happenings.
One of my favorite, sad tales in all the lore! That line, "Come back to me, and say my land is best" just gets me every time.
It's really hard hitting. I recently listened to the entire Trilogy in the form of the audiobook. The recording predates the films and the reader they chose is amazing. He actually sings the songs/poems that appear in the books, and his rendition of the song of the entwives is really beautiful. Thought I'd share, I'm not sure how well know this audiobook version is. Its from a time when they still called them books on tape. : p
My theory is that the ent wife's got lost way far in the East and they longed for the ents as well
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The thing about that is that they would probably meet the Easterlings which is almost as bad if not worse than being enslaved by Sauron in Middle Earth.
@@treynienhuser2616 yea but i think they would be able to kill them
i hope that is the truth and you know what they say hope dies last
If you rewatch when the hobbits first meet the Ents. They include a single line as the the where abouts of the Entwives. It mentioned a fellow hobbit spoke of moving and talking trees. The Entwives could be off The Shire's borders.
Since Sam's cousin supposedly saw a walking tree and Treebeard asks whether Merry or Pippin had seen any in the Shire, noting that they would have liked it there, I believe that Sam's cousin did indeed see an Entwife.
I read online a post from a fellow whose father met Tolkien and was told the entwives "might be" in the forest bordering the Sea of Rhun.. he uploaded a screenshot of a Middle Earth map, where Tolkien wrote a note indicating where they went. I'll see if I can track down the link...
Correction: The Ents _came into the world before_ elves. "Ere elf sang or hammer rang ... it walked the forests long ago." They were created by Yavanna in response to the vision of Iluvatar's first children, and foreseeing a need to protect the forests. The Ainur knew the elves were to come, and were preparing the world for them. Yavanna's concern and the remedy are related to that pre-awakening period. The Ents were walking the forests and protecting the trees before the elves awoke.
And Gandalf says to Theoden: "For when you speak to Treebeard you will learn much. For you will hear the speech of the oldest living thing in Middle-Earth"
In response to her husband Aule making the Dwarves.
Simon Morris Them, too, but elves also needed wood. :-)
Yet Treebeard says that the Ents were trees awakened to consciousness by the first elves speaking to the trees and claims that as a debt the Ents still owe the elves. And as one of the original Ents, he ought to know.
liljenborg Rather they were taught speech. I think the phrase was "cured of our dumbness."
Awhh this so sad. Ents looking for the entwifes but they can't find them. Poor Treebeard
The way treebeard reacted to the stories of merry and pippin of the shire makes me think there’s entwives there. Seems like foreshadowing to me
Lets go! The quality of my Sunday night has just incredibly improved
You are doing the work of the Valar, truly the greatest Loremaster of the greatest stories ever told.
Well met! I foresaw this in the live chat! Yet again another amazing video! Keep up the good work Yoystan!
God I love this universe.the lore the mythology the characters its epic beyond words. Also a happy new year to you yoystan
Same here. There is a distinct feeling of peace, love and passion that I can only feel with Tolkien's works. Happy New Year to you John!
And I love the fact that tolkien didn't ruin the mystery of the characters by providing afterthoughts like how rowling did with harry potter.
I agree this setting is so carefully crafted but I can't help but feel an overwhelming sense of depression about it all. Every fantastical element of the setting slowly dieing out. Everything but man becoming extinct. It's all pretty sad if you think about it
I think it counts as the first "sandbox" rpg. Truly a pioneer that paved the way for epic story tellers yet to come
Its insane to think that this entire universe, all its inhabitants and their histories, all the lore and everything came from one man's mind. Its a gift that never stops giving.
I like how every video ends with a moral, it truly ties it all together. The next video sounds epic, and this one was very good!
Well, I think it says something about college when you don’t have time to watch one of your favorite TH-cam channels until now. Still, I am glad to see one of these again.
Yoystan, I see the logo’s changed slightly, and the channel’s grown, that’s awesome. Keep it up in the new year.
Good to hear from you Paul! It has been a while! I completely understand the college thing though, I am right there with you! Happy New Year, my friend!
Its well known in the appendices that the Ent wives got sick of the same old, repetitive joke the Ents kept telling about having morning wood.
It got seriously old.
They found the blue wizards in the East and were kept safe until being reunited with the ents after the last great battle to live happily ever after!
YES! This is canon now, everybody, this is canon now.
i hope that is the truth and you know what they say hope dies last
I dont think the blue wizards are good folk
@@haraldalmas9144 i dont think theyr bad but i dont think theyr good either
the pirate 383 so do you think they would help the entwives?
Is it comforting that Sauron, in his quest for power, destroyed his most dangerous enemy first?
There ENT no more wives to be had!
Since you included some awesome screenshots from Lord of the Rings Online, I remember that apart from the quests in the Brown Lands involing the Gardens of the Ent Wives, there was one other occasion where the developers gave their idea what happened to the Ent Wives. There was a deed in the Old Forest, where you could find 8 Flowers that had something to do with the Entwives. So I looked it up and this is what Goldberry had to say about it in the game:
"Greetings, Traveler. You have seen an unusual breed of flower that grows within the depths of the Old Forest? Their origins are most unusual.
As the old tale goes, eight Entwives came into this forest from the distant south many years ago and took shelter here beneath the boughs of the Old Forest. But darkness was everywhere in the lands in those times, and Tom thought it wise that the sisters should pass into the heart of the forest where no evil might reach.
The flowers I speak of mark the places where each of the Entwives disappeared into the weave of the forest, and it is possible to understand their nature in those places.
Only Tom knows when or if they will ever awaken from their slumber, and he will not tell even me!"
I think the developers are doing a great job of taking something left unclear/vague in Tolkien's works and putting their own spin on it and make awesome quests.
I think there must be an afterlife existence for both Ents and Entwives, as there is for Elves. Only that can explain the legend that the Ents and Entwives would be reunited.
However, I also like the theory that a few surviving Entwives came west to the Shire; but learning from their mistake in the Brown Lands, which had led to the destruction of the Men they had tried to help, they choose to remain hidden from the hobbits, disguising themselves as trees, and only moving with great stealth in times of great need. Perhaps they found a secret way of communicating their skills in agriculture to the hobbits, maybe through dreams. The hobbits must have learned their impressive agricultural skills somehow, after crossing into Eriador, and it can’t have been from the Men of Bree, as the Shirefolk were superior to Bree hobbits in agriculture.
Perhaps in the Fourth Age, a few Ents will journey to the Shire, and there discover the long lost Entwives...
Or perhaps, like the Ents, the Entwives did not all stay in one place but were spread far and wide the Entwives in the now brownlands could vary well all been destroyed, but who can say that all the Entwives were in the brownlands. My thoughts are that some of the Entwives went to the shire and others to any place of similar natural beauty.
I can't remember where I read this, but Galadriel tells Treebeard that she would not meet the ents again until the lands under the wave rise: "then in the willow-meads of Tasarinan we may meet in the spring. Farewell." so I have hope that the Entwives and Enthusbands meets again when all evil of Middle Earth vanishes.
Realistically I think that when they went East they went into lands that were under Sauron's influence and thus were probably destroyed. However another darker theory could be that since we know Morgoth corrupted Ents he captured to become Trolls, and since Sauron was Morgoth's lieutenant, he followed suit.
On a lighter note, I hope they were able to escape Sauron and founded new gardens in the far South, but they wouldn't have gone north to be reunited since it is heavily implied that the Fourth Age was the last Age of the Ents.
Love your videos, keep doing great! They make my day every time I see them!
Trolls aren't corrupted Ents, they were made in mockery of the Ents. Made from stone and not wood.
@@maxpower3990 That could be true, I was always under the impression that trolls were twisted Ents, similar to how Morgoth made Orcs from newly awakened Elves he captured.
It also seems that Tolkien himself never came up with a super concrete answer to how they came about, as some of his later writings say that Trolls existed naturally and simply fell under the thrall of Morgoth and Sauron, but other versions imply that they were created/mutated from Ents that were captured. Either way, we do know that like some Elves, Ents were captured by Morgoth at the beginning of the First Age, and then Trolls were mentioned as appearing after that.
But that doesn't make sense. Trolls aren't corrupted Ents.
@@connorross4571 Perhaps, it depends on what you read. Some say that he just imitated what Illuvatar created, but since Morgoth didn't have the ability to create life from nothing like Illuvatar, only corrupt what existed, Trolls had to have come from some previously existing creature. This could mean that Trolls always existed as Trolls and Morgoth turned them to evil, or that he did indeed capture and corrupt Ents. Corrupting Ents would fall in line with what he did to create the Orcs (corrupting Elves he captured).
Whatever the case may be, like I said Tolkien himself didn't even have a fully concrete answer as to whether or not Trolls were an entirely separate creature, or corrupted Ents. I stick to the theory that Morgoth captured Ents and turned them into Trolls, just like what he did with Elves to make Orcs.
@@joahmoss5585 well Morgoth did creat the dragons.
One point of correction: According to the Silmarillion, the dwarves (created by Aule) and the ents were both created by Valar BEFORE the elves, but since they were not powerful enough, they were unable to give their creations true independence. Illuvatar had sympathy for their creations,and agreed to give them a real life of their own, but only after the elves had time to establish themselves. So while the elves awoke to conscious existence first (the first-born), the ents and dwarves were actually created earlier (= they are older).
My own feeling is that Tolkein -- who stated himself that the ents were a representative of the Pictish race -- wanted to allude to the great and REAL (historical) mystery of what happened to the Picts, and so invented a story in which their wives disappeared making it impossible for them to procreate anymore. In time that would doom a race to eventual extinction, and it would leave only a tiny remnant in our modern age, just as the Picts virtually disappeared from Britain's genetic pool in real life, yet the REASON for the disappearance is still a mystery.
I had assumed that they felt the rise of Sauron and travelled north within the great forests of the time. They then ended up north of the Shore. Don't forget Sam's comment that his brother saw an Ent.
Shire not Shore
You have a soothing voice. I like how you present these stories.
Before the video starts I want to make my guess too!
For a long time I've guessed the Entwives are in Bree-land, in Bonfire Glade. Here is a quote:
"'They do say the trees do actually move, and can surround strangers and hem them in. In fact long ago they attacked the Hedge: they came and planted themselves right by it, and leaned over it. But the hobbits came and cut down hundreds of trees, and made a great bonfire in the Forest, and burned all the ground in a long strip east of the Hedge. After that the trees gave up the attack, but they became very unfriendly. There is still a wide bare space not far inside where the bonfire was made.'" - Merry, The Fellowship of the Ring
It adds extra weight when Treebeard asks Merry and Pippin if they have any idea if they know where the Entwives are.
I always found it an understated and terrifying thing. To lose a wife is tragic, but half of your species...forgotten. It's so evil, to the point where I suspect Melkor cast terrible magic to make them forget.
I always assumed that Sauron enslaved and later murdered all of the Entwives. It's bleak a assumption, but I can think of no other plausible alternatives given the situation. That said, maybe they fled east into Rhun and managed to escape Sauron's grasp.
Females and a powermonger, rockstar type who bends followers to his will.
It's plausible that he seduced them with false promises, told them what they wanted to hear and by following him they changed from creatures beautiful into something hideous and vengeful - kinda like, um trolls.
The remaining ents are better off without such creatures.
Rhun wasn't outside Sauron's grasp. If there was any free place in the East the blue wizards would have shown up with reinforcements.
@Semper Intrepidus , that sound very hateful toward the female version of Ent. I
Basically you are saying that the Entwives were so easily turned to be evil.
@@ilcu4p it was a response to the OP. I personally don't think entwives would have been like modern western females.
I've been wondering about this topic. Thank you for making this video!
Considering the kinship with Hobbits and the fact I believe I read somewhere that Rivendell, Mirkwood, Fangorn and the Old Forest all used to be one giant forest, I’d like to believe that at least SOME of the Ent Wives travelled to the North, in and around the Shire, perhaps on the borders.
They fell asleep there, where they were protected by the Dunedain/Rangers, were loved and cared for by The Hobbits and visited by Elves on their way to the Grey Havens (which would not have sent any word back to Fangorn - as even Elves were increasingly wary of Ancient Forests such as Fangorn and Mirkwood during The War of the Ring).
It is possible even some well known trees, such as the one growing above Bag End or perhaps The Party Tree, were once Entwives.
It is my hope that during the Fourth Age, during the peaceful period after the Scouring of the Shire - That the emergence of an elven Mallorn tree in The Shire, given to Sam by Galadriel, planted to replace the Party Tree, and known as the only Mallorn Tree west of the Misty Mountains, that the ancient magic of the Tree, might be enough to cleanse the Old Forest and awaken any Entwives or Entings that might be sleeping in The North.
With renewed hope, they might decide to leave The Shire, now knowing the War is over and the lands are safe and open to travel again, and they could head South to Isengard and hopefully find Fangorn there.
this is similar to a theory I have except instead of the Entwives escaping the brownlands I think that not all Entwives were in the brownlands, like the Ents, they would not be so localized but spread far and wide. The Old Forest could be where the Ents stayed while their wives lived in the Shire same with Mirkwood and the banks of the Anduin
Dude you have the most relaxing voice in the world :)
Mae Govannen Yoystan, happy new year! Wow, a video on the Ent Wife's! Thank you.
Ent no sunshine when she's gone!
Happy New Year Yoystan
Happy New Year Caleb!
“When Summer lies upon the world, and in a noon of gold, Beneath the roof of sleeping leaves the dreams of trees unfold;
When woodland halls are green and cool, and wind is in the West, Come back to me! Come back to me, and say my land is best!”
― Treebeard
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Two Towers
Charles Marlow she just not into you
@@gargoyles9999 🤣
I cried in the Two Towers when Treebeard told the Hobbits to come back and tell them if they see the Entwives 😭
This channel is so amazing. One of the few channels i rewatch videos of.
Your voice is so soft, like how Aragorn speaks in LOTR. Good theories.
"More than memory" that phrase alone deserves recognition and praise... far more than memory i would say! far more! thank you brother! Tolkien is brilliant!
They’re in aisle 10 while their husbands are looking around the produce section. Middle-earth is just a very large grocery store.
A new year, and a new video from Yoystan. Thanks again for all the great videos and hope you have a happy and health 2020. Cheers!
Thank you for this! Tolkien is the reason for my love of reading and fantasy 💛
I often wondered what happened to the entwives. As sad as this concluded... I still have hope, I some times had thoughts of lil' entings being raised by Tom bombadil and the riverwomans daughter
Lovely content mate, much appreciated. Cheers
Thanks for this Yoystan, it deserves a video of its own. The Ents have always been my favourite of Tolkien's creations after the Dwarves. I like to think the Professor at least toyed with the idea that a small enclave of Entwives survived in the western hills just beyond the Shire. Waiting sadly for their lost lovers to join them. It honestly makes the most sense to me, but I cannot deny its more of a Hope than anything else on my part. I made it so in my Fourth Age Game anyway. After all JRRT was a great believer in hope.
I love your videos, friend !
Wow what a Coincidence I just finished treebeards March in the to Towers. And was thinking about the Ent wives. Thanks for the video. I’m just a tad nervous your in my mind.
;)
in fellowship when Sam is talking to the miller Ted Sandyman he states that his cousin Hal had claimed seen a tree-man or giant walking seven yards to the stride in the northfarthing at Overhill, this always gave me hope that the entwives had made it as far west as the shire, unfortunately there is no mention of direct dialogue between treebeard and Samwise during the story, the only time they are in the same vicinity is on the journey home at isengard and sam never mentions the story to treebeard
I love that you use LOTRO for pictures too! Well made video as always thanks!
Thank you. This is my most anticipated video since the 2 years i'm a subscriber here. Again , thank you.
Interesting juxtaposition with Aussie fires..
Those fires were definitely in my mind while I made this video. May the Valar protect Australia and its people!
@@MenoftheWest Yeah, sad that Elrond or Gandalf can't be there to conjure a flood to quench them, nor Ulmo to send rain not just for the fires but the struggling farmers as well, but that time in Middle Earth has already ended and its up to the efforts of Men to fight off this "New Sauron".
Thank you so much. I wish I could have watched this earlier, but my internet was down. I look forward to your videos a lot and I really appreciate your most recent live stream. I really liked it. Happy 2020 and I really love watching your videos. I am a fellow Tolkien lover!
What a timely video, considering what is happening to our world amid environmental challenges. We are supposed to be stewards of Creation, and this story on the Entwives should serve reminder. I am writing this while under the threat of a bushfire catastrophe in Australia. Fires like this would probably have killed Ents and their wives. Let us all remember our duty of stewardship to all that is good in the world.
Exactly, my friend! My thoughts are with you all in Australia! May the Valar protect you all!
Yay you are back
I wonder if Stephen Colbert ever watches your channel? He is a huge fanatic 😍
SC is such a Tolkein nerd he probably knows more than Yoystan.
*Tries to get tears away from my eyes* That's so sad!!! 😭😭😭😭😭 *Blows Nose* I am good now!!!
It is believe, that there isn't a proper answer...I really hope there are into the west!!!
Thanks for this sad video Mellon, Until the Epic History of Middle Earth in a Whole Long Video...Marion Baggins Out!!!
Funny, I was just listening to the Two Towers a few days ago and Treebeard was talking off the Entwives and I thought I should look up what happened to them, and then you upload this. What fortuitous timing. Thanks for the vid
I can just see Treebeard telling the story of how back in his day they used to love his morning wood
Man what the hell 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hardwood.
Raise a glass and a song for the Entwives.
Middle Earth is far more complex than most tales and loss and sorrow are strong threads within it. Tolkeins experiences in the Great War was an influence on that making life less certain with no real "happy ever after" and a yearning for times past. The one joy he must have had is through his children and is reflected in the spark of hope in Middle Earth that is the enigmatic Tom Bombadil. Tolkein said that. at times, some tails are better left unfinished and so many threads throughout his works are left unfinished and (maybe) that is one of the strengths of Tolkein in that he left his audience wondering with ifs; buts; and maybes.
Nicely done! I greatly appreciate the referencing of Tolkien's letters!
How diabolically brilliant of Professor Tolkien to leave this mystery for us to debate for generations.
Did the Ents and the Ent-Wives have spirits given to them by Eru Illuvatar, as he did the Dwarves and claim them as his step children? That is something not written about in the Silmarillion nor the Unfinished Tales.
Perhaps Sauron took them and warped them, as Morgoth warped the Elves into Orcs. I hope a few traveled North to the Eriador and the Old Forest. Remember Merry talking about the walking trees that had been seen there, andTreebeard did mention that the Shire would be a place the Ent-Wives would enjoy, after he heard a desription of the Shire from Merry and Pippin. Maybe Tom Bombadil was giving them shelter from the ravages of the world and the threats of the third age? Since he was never asked about them he never thought to mention them to anyone who wanted to know. Maybe when Gandalf went to talk to old Tom, he asked then? I hope Quickbeam in the 4th age decided to travel to teh Shire and look for them there.
"O Kementári, Eru hath spoken, saying: "Do then any of the Valar suppose that I did not hear all the Song, even the least sound of the least voice? Behold! When the Children awake, then the thought of Yavanna will awake also, and it will summon spirits from afar, and they will go among the kelvar and the olvar, and some will dwell therein, and be held in reverence, and their just anger shall be feared." -The Silmarillion.
The Kelvar being animals, and Olvar being plants. So it seems spirits inhabited the first Ents at least, but whether they were feär (souls) or some other undefined type of spirit that actually became the Ents (I wouldn't take the wording to imply they were Maiar), it doesn't say.
Wonderful telling, and the artwork is beautiful
This is a video I've been looking forward to, thanks y
Perhaps they were used to build the great builds of of Sauron, until they were of no use to the fallen Maia. Sadly, when I, myself, studied the former lands inhabited my the Ents and their Entwives, were mostly scorched, dead, and desolate. Perhaps the Entwives fell out of existence, simply because they had no use to the lands they inhabited, so they died out. A happier belief of mine, though it has no backings, they live with the Valar and Maiar, tending to the lands and agriculture in the Holy Lands. Perhaps, in the future, Christopher or his descendants, will specify what happened to them. Lovely video, thank you for posting all that you do.
Thank you for this. We are facing the local government organised destruction of over two thousand trees off the mountains in Auckland, NZ.
Well progress comes in many forms.
At the start of LOTR there was a reference to the entwives when a few Hobbits were arguing in the Tavern, one of them (Sam or his father, can't remember) said that someone had seen a tree walk.
Can’t wait for the next video!
As much as I like Tolkien, I feel he was prejudiced against certain biomes. He saw deserts and wastelands as corrupt and polluted. Same goes for wetlands. But those places are just as natural and vital as lush grasslands and forests and just as full of life. I grew up in the desert and it will always be a part of who I am.
I always enjoy your videos! It is a very sad story, there is no family for the Ents. Thanks again!
Before I watch this I'll share:
I always assumed at least some were captured And used to create/ breed trolls.
There are the eastern lands, however, that Tolkien never got around to, plenty of land and people to create literally Endless possibilities; it's this unknown web that the blue wizards disappeared into, for example.
4:58 What a beautiful painting!
I think it's best summed up in the final verse of the poem you put at the beginning:
"Together we will take the road that leads into the West,
And far away will find a land where both our hearts may rest."
The West obviously pointing towards Valinor, where there would most certainly be such a land for them. This does, however, indicate that they won't meet again until they die, confirming the deaths of the Entwives.
You have so many good videos! I love it when I see a notification that says "Men in the West just uploaded".
I do wonder however what your opinion is on LotR The Third Age, released in 2004.
Anyway, your videos are truly amazing.
Good video yoystan. And here’s my theory about the entwives. “When Sauron came to the gardens of the entwives. Yavanna in all her splendor halted the armies of darkness with a barrage of vines, and took the entwives to the undying lands to be safe. After that Sauron made sure to destroy their precious gardens as a warning if they should ever return so he himself first let loose a blast of fire, and decay and the entwives saw in horror through the eyes of yavanna in the undying lands of what happened to their home and decided to stay but a few went back to middle earth to live in the lands now know as the shire.” After that they assumed their husbands died in the war of the last alliance and that’s why they stay in the shire but a few traveled to Lorien to hear of news of their husbands and I believe in the early fourth age the entwives reunited with the ents and treebeard saw his beloved wife again and all ents and entwives returned to the undying lands to live in peace and love!
Do yourselves a favor, and listen to Clamavi De Profundis' version of "The Ent and the Entwife" poem on TH-cam! It's one of my favorites♥️
In it's own way, I've always felt that this tale is even more tragic than Beren and Luthien.
Second! Always wondered what happened to the Entwives
Interesting video, very enjoyable
Happy late new year Men of the West, and a very extremely nice video.
I sorta think along the lines of it's made to be a mystery. Like Tom bombadil. It could be any number of things. But just like with our world even if we cant find an answer. It's just fun to think about and discuss it with others.
"Booooooooooorrrrrrrraaaaaaarrrrrrrooooooommmmmmm.....there have been no Entings for a terrible long count of years......"
While it is likely that they were destroyed by Sauron I also like to think that some of them simply became more tree-ish since they were separated from the Ents for so long they went to sleep and never woke up
Plus if they were just as forgetful as Treebeard then maybe they didnt remember what ents looked like either?!? 🤔🤷🏻♂️
You make great videos! Do you have a podcast?
Maybe they are in the restroom. Women always go to the ladies room in groups, and being entish, they are just taking a VERY long time at it.
This is amazing. Thank you for sharing with us.
They'll eventually be reunited with Treebeard and the Ents in the undying lands and live happily ever after together
What happens to the kingdoms of men before Dagor Dagorath what causes the nations to fall to ruin?
Entwives are asleep in Tom Bombadils forest... remember, trees wispered there... no other place Tolkien describes this wisperings in other forests....
I HAVE A QUESTION I NEED HELP WITH, PLEASE!!! First off, I am quite pleased with the timing of this video. I am in the midst of writing a creative project for a final in my Tolkien Mythology course about the Entwives. I am attempting to write it from the perspective of *most* Entwives perishing before the Third Age. I am far too hesitant to write of Fimbrethil's death and would prefer to keep Tolkien's companionship narrative alive along with Fangorn. May I please have suggestions as to where the remaining Entwives had gone? They are supposed to appear again "in the willow-meads of Tasarinan" but I would like to have a feasible place for them to have wandered. Is the Shire too distant from the Entwash? Could I perhaps incorporate Andor or was it totally submerged under the wave? Please and thank you, I would love to have some proper suggestions as to where I can take this. xx
Hope you have a good 2020.
Thank you! You too, my friend!
Oof. That didn't age well...
My personal headcanon is that some Entwives escaped the destruction of their lands by fleeing East, beyond Rhun, perhaps even beyond the Iron Hills. There Alatar and/or Pallando found and aided them, teaching them how to conceal themselves more effectively even as the wizards stirred up trouble for Sauron in the East. While the Blue Wizards were ultimately no match for Sauron a portion of the Entwives survived, creating hidden gardens and oases in arid or even desolate lands. They were wary of contact with other peoples, and it was decades if not centuries after Sauron's defeat before they would have any contact. Eventually they are persuaded to come out and assist with healing the lands which had been blighted.
They never do reunite with the Ents. Much as Treebeard had found their gardens transformed into the Brown Lands, by the time they return to Fangorn the Ents have left and no one knows where to.
Great video and informative. But it is indeed filled with grief. I too would hope for a reunion, but fear it will not be so.
It seems the Entwives have taught you how to grow onions
I read a comment on a similar video that the entwives represent the freinds lost in war (going off the world war influence in quite a bit of LotR). The reason why it’s never really clarified what happened to them (“we have lost them, and we just can’t find them”) is the hope and unwillingness to give up on MIA soldiers, who may perhaps have just been lost, and will walk in the door to the local pub 30 years late to the post-war reunion.
I like to think they went and hid in the shire....