They had plans to make the only Ukrainian Habsburg King of Ukraine and he almost did but bad luck and German worries kept that from happening. If he was King it wouldn't look to bad for the Austrians to hand off Galicia though considering that the Ukrainians were the the most loyal peoples of the Empire behind the Germans themselves, they might not want to throw off the population balance,
also the fact that the Germans pretty much had to prop up the Austrians to whole war, after losing several million troops to serbia and Russia I think they lost something like something like 500,000 men on the first push into Serbia because of backwards tactical thinking? Either way they may have been compensated with some colonial territories in africa or something
So true, diversity is not strength, Austria-Hungary was doomed from the start even if they would win the war it is highly unlikely that they would survive in their 1914 form.
Austria was already a multicultural empire, and it also already had Italians in their territory. Furthermore, they actually owned the territory 50 years prior.
Zephyrus Mapping I know all of that. But taking even more Italian land would mean that there are more Italians for a potential revolution. And AH knew that a revolution would happen in the future.
You are almost 100 years too late. I support an Entente victory, it helped unite all the Romanian lands and people into one country. Justice was Trianon.
Hi friend! I am from Turkey..Your Foresight is very logical. Because Ottomans wants to contol again egypt,arabia and north africa but this is not Primary purpose. Ottomans primarily wanted to reach eastern turkistan territory and Azerbaijan,Turkmenistan, kazakhstan, ozbekistan, krgizistan. And Ottoman, had dreamed of liberating the Turks. Congratulations successful video, I will continue to follow you.
@@fierylightning3422 ehh, Kaiser can mean emperor but it _technically_ is a closer translation to Caesar, but the more important issue is that Reich does not mean Empire. It more directly translates to realm. So Kaiserreich would be better translated as "The realm of the Kaiser"
I imagine Germany would pick up Belgian Congo as well, and maybe a French colony or two. Losing eastern Galicia might be a blessing in disguise for the Austrians- one less source of ethnic tension.
It might've also spited other ethnic groups however. Can't really say that post war arrangement would be stable, as the one we had historically also wasn't
@@cesaregaragnani2932 yes but it should ve not been like sevres,trianon or saint germain.These trearies didnt make peace.These treaties just led to another war which would be way bigger.The entente countries just showed us about their unending demands
@@ykdm-by4cm it would have easily survive. Ottomans had discovered oil fields in Iraq and Hejaz in 1913. That combined with addition revenue from Suez Canal after the war would have helped Ottomans accumulate huge amount of wealth. It could buy more weapons from Germany and more advisors and host a bigger army.
In Austria we've got the saying "Wast' ned aufigstiegn, wast' ned owa gfoin, hädst' mei Schwesta gheirat wast' mei Schwoga woan." "If you hadn't climbed up, you would not had fell down, if you had married my sister, you would had become my brother in law." It means basically the same as your sayings.
@@4n5h327 Erm, after the Treaty of Bucharest, Bulgaria's territory had to change less than Austria-Hungary's for their ambitions to be satisfied. So... yeah. Bulgaria got the closest, by far. But hey, Austria-Hungary is easily in second place. The one who fell most short of their goals was the Ottoman Empire. They planned to annex or puppet Egypt, Sudan, Cyprus, the Dodecanese Islands, and the Caucasian states. That never happened.
@@deleetiusproductions3497 Ottoman Empire tried to take back the lands that lost before. But thanks(!) to Enver Pasha, 90.000 Turkish Solider died in Sarıkamış before the war. And arab revolts, Ottoman Empire really took a heavy blow. And The America joined the war, Lets J-ust say it wasnt good for Central Powers. In fact, Ottomans trusted Germans, Bulgarians truted Ottomans and the result was kinda bad
Why did Germany want Georgia you might ask.. well, it was to launch an invasion into central asia and liberate Persia, Afghanistan, and India. India was the most important, as it would cripple the british empire to lose it. Germany invited Mexico to be a part of the war; mainly to keep american troops away from Europe. This invitation was sent by radio, and americans intercepted it and confronted Mexico who claimed their plan was to decline the offer - this invitation played a role in americas subsequent involvement in the war, which otherwise might not have happened until the early 1920's, or not at all.
Levi Johansen The Zimmerman nite has been debunked thousands of times. Most historians agree that it was a false notw made by the British to bring America into the war. Why would Germany risk angering America further by contacting Mexico, of all places, to hold off America? And why not send a diplomat? Exactly! And the British happened to intercept the note? What does Germany have to gain from Mexico attempting to hold off the US? What does Mexico have to gain? Why would Germany consider this a good Idea at all?
Painekiller12 That is flat out not correct. The author, the German foreign secretary even admitted it was genuine in March 1917. Why would you assert that it's not true? This is kind of false assertion is just pointless
It's interesting to see how many people miss the premise, especially given the presenter's disclaimer that this is not a discussion of *how* the Central Powers *might* have achieved any of these goals, it's a look at what the map of Europe might have looked like, *had they achieved* those goals. So many posters respond with, "Never could have happened", etc. That's not the point of the premise.
In our timelime, In the final version of the treaty of Bucharest (after the 25th of september 1918), Bulgaria received all of Northern Dobruia. In return the Ottoman Empire would have gained some bulgarian land on the left bank of the Maritsa river. I'm guessing in this timeline it would've been the same. Good video regardless.
Didn't the ottomans promise some correction of the border in favour of bulgaria (along with other land promised to them by the germans, austrians ) just for them to join the central powers?
I actually Like the idea of the Germans only taking Waloon land from Belgium and then giving Belgium back rightful Flemish lands from France. Maybe Germany should've won. By th way, what about Africa?
Germany had plans to annex all of the African colonies. Most likely all of South, West, and East Africa would of been annexed. If not all at least most parts would
If I ever get a time machine, I will download all of these alternate history videos, get a laptop, and lot of books of modern societies and reforms. Then I will head straight to the kaisers palace in Berlin and give the kaiser all of that. Then the central powers can win ww1 and we can live in the great German confederation . Then I eat a Schnitzel
@@ליאלרובינוב-ר8ס lol, even jewish still about to get same path as our world timeline, due to they betrayal Anti jewish still gonna blow up in kaiserreich timeline
This description though: "THIS IS *NOT A WHAT-IF* STORY. This is *what* Europe would look like *if* the Central Powers won based off of real documents and plans made during the war.
They already had Qingdao, but they lost it early on to the japanese. There was also German New Guinea. The East Indies were mostly held by the Dutch, who were neutral, but they may have taken British Malaya or Singapore, or maybe French Indochina.
@@userrend Germany would have the most war score for sure Austria-Hungary has low stability and can't conquer much, plus they got carried by Bulgaria and Germany The same thing with the Ottomans but they were a lot weaker And Bulgaria was still recovering from the Second Balkan War Also, it is almost impossible to imagine a Bulgarian Malaya or an Austro-Hungarian Indochina, so Germany would've taken them
The french colonial empire would have likely been simply taken over by germany wholesale, and the british and italian mediterranean posessions would have also likely changed hands.
@@erenliebert4576 WW2 would have happened. Probably a Hitler like radical would rise up in France or Britain and form alliance with with Russia to defeat Germany. But Germany and it's allies would have curbstomped France or and it's allies. Germany already had the best trained army in world. That along with Ottomans, who would be swimming in money from the Oil fields of Azerbaijan, Iraq and Arabia etc and Austria would easily defeat anyone
I'm pretty sure Austria-Hungary would collapse soon after the war giving Bulgaria more of an opportunity to take more land. Also I think that sooner of later Bulgaria would get cocky and try to take Constatinople from the Ottomans giving them a chance to reclaim lost territory I'm the Balkans.
If the Austrian empire were to fall I'm pretty sure the Turk would come next. Although in some alternate world the Ottomans retain their empire, them expanding (Especially into the Balkans) is complete Fantasy.
After the Balkan wars and that all its allies betrayed Bulgaria resultet in super mobilazing and Bulgaria was more than hungry to just kill everyone in the Balkans, so it's alliance with Germans was really welcomed. At the times Bulgaria mobilize to a point where they had more tanks than ottoman turks and greeks combined and have the biggest army % per available person in the world at the time(Bassicaly every single men in the country was mobilazed and every women as well(beeing nurses)). Austro-Hungarian empire was about to fall, aswell as ottoman empire. If central powers won this war, more than likely Bulgaria would attack again and again, as the main goal was to achieve the ethnic borders of Bulgaria: i.ytimg.com/vi/AWcAptOxoEM/hqdefault.jpg but im sure if we had a chance we could have tried to attack Constantipole since we have done it many times before within the first and second Bulgarian Empire. But the main goal was to restore the ethnic borders, for sure - here is a video of this time th-cam.com/video/OA-0k8zXxiY/w-d-xo.html&t=
Yeah, our first presidend Masaryk wanted stay in Austria-Hungary on the start, but he was politic in high structures of Austria-Hungary and he recognized that Austria-Hungary can't survive because all that conflicts inside. Give little more autonomy to some region can't solve that, all nations wanted their own national countries.
1:25 , found a single mistale in that map, and that’s only because it’s about my own country: German border with Denmark, Germany owned land up to the king creek (Kongeåen), which meant that Germany owned a big part of Southern Jutland. Denmark got that territory back after WW1, despite not fighting in the war
Well, they wanted to make it a puppet state with a German monarch as king. At the start of the war, there were also plans to make a "United Baltic Duchy".
The Austro Hungarian Empire was already struggling with the oppressed nationalities it already had, annexing a vast and densely populated region completely inhabitated by Italians would' ve not made their situation any better. They don' t call Austria-Hungary "an Empire bond to collapse" for no reason.
Endrit Bytyqi I think TH-cam changed their CC algorithm at some point because that's not what it says anymore. Shame, I saw it before and it was comedy gold.
I just realized that the ottaman empire and the austrian empire fought there lives long with eachother en died together as allies supporting eachother a salute for that one😔
you forget to say that Austro-Hunagry would be renamed and changed goverment to trialisam called Austro-Hungaro-Croatia because its last emperor accepted Croatian request of trialisam at the end of the war.
By the way, a fun fact about the Bucharest Treaty: It also made the parts NOT occupied by Bulgaria a joint occupation zone between the Central Powers, while guaranteeing Romanian access to the Black Sea through Cernavoda and Constanza. Later, during the very end of the war, that protectorate was annexed by us...for about a week. So, depending on WHEN the war was won, the map might look differently indeed.
I don't know if anybody mentioned it before, but It's interesting that in 1916, week before USA came to war, Germany send Peace Offer to England that would leave things at status Quo, considering that Allies were losing the war at that time, England was seriously considering offer.
Bulgaria didn't wanted "to dominate the Balkans" and lands that "it claims historically belonged to it" (otherwise absurd claims as south Athens, west as Italy/Germany, north as Poland and east as Volga, or even central Asia, can be made :-/ ) Bulgaria demanded lands mostly with a ethnic Bulgarian population majority as it claimed as its national ideal since 1878 "the liberation and unification of all ethnic Bulgarians". I am giving the official statements, not the regional politics which also include theas the greek 'megali idea' or serbian 'south slavs project'
Only one mistake: Albania never fought in the war, so they’re technically neutral, so A-H wouldn’t have the permission to invade them. Also seems a little strange the Austro-Hungarian Empire wins a war and looses land..
They didn't want to take anything in WWI and were largely against annexing Serbia especially early on. They only wanted to dominate the Balkans economically and politically, not control them directly.
Technically yes, however Albania was occupied by Italian troups early on, before being pushed back into Greece and Macedonia, so it's likely that the restored government would still be dependent on the Central Powers after their victory
Wouldn't Austria want to annex parts of Italy which were lost during the previous century? (Venetia during the Austrian-Prussian War and Lombardy during the Austrian-Sardinian war)?
Italy was an ally to Germany Before the war broke out! But they didn't join in on their side because the British were so rich and Italy had food problems and such. Austrians were defining against the Italians during the Great War, but pretty sure that Astrian would have taken those lands if they won the war.
+John Paul Mizzi This video is about the ex ante claims of the various states. As at the beginning Italy was not involved, no claim was made on italian territory. Of course once Italy joined the fight, if it would have lost it would have lost some territory, but to be decided yet.
@@barrankobama4840 No it did not, but it did after WWII. There would have been strong incentive, especially for Austria to reparpartition the Italian Kingdoms.
I bet Hitler's negotiating would be something like. "Ok, Italy you get Cyprus and Sardinia. Japan you get Korea, some Indonesian islands, The Philippines and Sri Lanka. And We get everything else! Then there probably would have been a war(Italy+Japan vs Germany) over who gets what.
+nigel = Brainwashed Hitler Let France keep their south part and ALL their colonies, and even their navy, he didn't integrate much of Enemies' land, he would most likely Ask FR & UK pay war reparations like they did to Germany after WW1 Japan is most likely to keep what they took, it feels like they wanted a world conquest regarding their acts & ambitions
+Leader IM ϟϟ I also heard that when the war was over, he would give back the north part of France, he only wanted it so he could supervise it and keep it safer from naval attacks such a in D-day, sadly he was a sleep at that time. that is why, although the land got thin the more south the occupied land was, he still kept all Atlantic areas of France, he should have kept most except tiny part of Mediterranean coast too because naval invasion happened there too.
not really, if they would have had a bit more mobile army and more modern tactics yes the schlieffen plan would have worked like it did in WW2 all it did was bring england into the war and give them propaganda fuel of the atrocities that happened in Belgium
But Germany probably would have won the war if they weren't already tense with England trying to build up a navy to rival their's (which bismark recommended an alliance with England, especially with how close their cultures were becoming) And without British support the French probably would have eventually cracked from depleting all their man power Italy probably would have been more hesitate to join the war which would have meant Austria being able to bring more men to the eastern front and help fend off Russia easier and finish off Serbia quicker
Please make a video based on what the Entente countries wanted to gain and what actually gained, Like France, Greece, Serbia those countries wished for more lands but they didn't gained those lands at all
There were attempts to reform Austria-Hungary to become a trialist monarchy, with south Slavic territories as the third entity under the Croatian Crown. This would probably happen if Central Powers won.
And if nobody had shot Archduke Franz Ferdinand, all ethnicities of Austria-Hungary would have gotten their own state once he took the throne without a need for the worst war in history.
@@Quintinohthree The ballanazition of central europe was not inevitable, but preventing it would ha e either required a victory in the war, extremely unlikely, or a decade or more of peace, again extremely unlikely.
@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 With nationalistic fervor running high and all these distinct ethnicities all wishing a state of their own, I most certainly do think it was inevitable, I just think the Habsburg Monarchy could have survived in some way uniting them, although with Poles, Ukrainians, Romanians, Serbs and Italians all spread across their borders into neighbouring countries, it would certainly be difficult.
+Preussen Deutschland What a shame the germans shamelessly invaded Belgium and started slaughtered the innocent. We as Europeans should stick together instead of fighting amongst ourselves, however strong our imperialistic delusions might be.
Yah, it is a shame. You winning the war would've stopped Hitler from ever coming to power. On the flip side, I guess Germany would, after the war, have instantly siezed all the colonies belonging to France and the UK, instantly becoming the single largest Empire in history. (The people here in South Africa wouldn't have minded becoming a German Colony instead of a British one honestly)
This IS alternate history. The war aim discussion was never finished in Germany. For example there were three big German concepts for the Polish "Grenzstreifen". It also included the option to annex nothing in Russian Poland. Some of the concepts aimed on a realization at war, which never happened. The other areas in Eastern Europe and as well in Western Europe were similar problematic. It is also highly controversial among historians, which aims would have been realized in the case of victory for the Central Powers. Sry, but this video presents an assertion. I like almost all of your other videos and your channel, but in this case I have to give a TD.
+Jonnymur Well... I didn't know about any of this, and as such can't make informed conclusions of my own, so now I feel that I must ask: Which plans do YOU think would have been realized if the Germans won (in the 1918 Spring Offensive)? Moreover, which did the Kaiser support (since those would've most likely been given approval)?
What I think: • Germany annexes Luxembourg, the French region of Briey-Longwy, and the Belgian region of Luxembourg in the West, while also annexing the Polish Border Strip in the East. Despite German ambitions, I think Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania would still emerge as Republics like IOTL, but would still be German clients nonetheless. Belgium would also be a German client. • Austria-Hungary would occupy Serbia, Montenegro, Albania, and also the Italian region of Veneto. In the aftermath of the war, the country would decentralize and federalize into the United States of Greater Austria (or something to that effect.) The best way to describe how it would operate would be like the USA under the Articles of Confederation; each ethnic group within the country would have their own province almost completely autonomous in every way, with their own heads of state and their own state governments. Austrian Emperor Charles I would still reign over Austria, Bohemia, Galicia-Lodomeria and Bukovina. Serbia, Montenegro, Albania, North Epirus and Veneto would become new members of the USGA in addition to Slovakia, Transylvania, Hungary, Bosnia, Croatia, and Slovenia (besides Austria, Bohemia, etc.) • I agree with Bulgaria, I don’t think anything would change from how you put it. • I think the Ottomans would also occupy Libya in addition to everything else you put. And maybe also help prop up independent nations in the Russian Stan’s. • Besides Russia, I think France could also fall into civil war. Germany would sponsor whatever faction would best serve them, and also have Italy help them. Italy would be rewarded with Savoy, Nice, and Corsica as compensation for losing Veneto. The German-sponsored faction in France eventually wins, and France joins Mitteleuropa. Russia is still taken over by the Soviets, though Soviet Russia ITTL is much smaller, akin to modern-day Russia’s borders. Rather than become the Soviet Union, it’s just called the Russian Soviet Republic. • Once borders are finalized, Germany founds the Mitteleuropa organization. The first members to join alongside them are: Belgium, Denmark, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Belarus, Ukraine, and some members of the USGA. Germany eventually plans for all of Europe to be a part of it. • Tensions eventually erupt between Germany and Greater Austria because Germany despises Austria’s federal system of government. Germany declares war on them alongside Italy, Poland, Ukraine, Romania, and Greece. Several USGA regions secede, refusing to fight. Italy annexes Veneto (which includes Trentino and Istria,) Germany annexes Austria and the Sudetenland (which both join together as the Kingdom of Austria, a member state of the German Empire,) Poland annexes West Galicia, Ukraine annexes East Galicia, Romania annexes Bukovina and Transylvania, and Greece annexes North Epirus. Albania, Hungary, Slovakia and Czechia gain independence. Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia, Croatia, and Slovenia unite together to form Yugoslavia.
That's probably the biggest downside of Central Powers victory. Unstable Europe. I mean, even in our timeline, it was unstable. But during the war, there was tensions between Germany, Austria-Hungary, Turkey and Bulgaria. While I think Karl I would do anything to prevent another war, I don't Kaiser Wilhelm would wage another war especially after losing 2.5m people. But there's still tensions between Bulgaria and Turkey. Likely would start another war since both Enver Pasha and Tsar Ferdinand were warmongers, always wanting more. But it wouldn't be a world war.
@@mohdadeeb1829 Something like the League of Nations would likely still be founded even in a CP-victory timeline. Plus Germany would use Mitteleuropa to turn pretty much all of Europe against whoever might challenge them. Basically mass-deterrence. Would there be a WW2? No idea, possibly but depends.
The polish ethic group was mostly surrounded by Germans and slavs by this point in time If this had happened we probably wouldn't have seen the massive purge of Polish peoples by the nazis and by the Russians in WW2, since it's argued that WW2 wouldn't have even happened if it wasn't for the bad peace treaty the French pushed at the end of WW1 Which inflated and then crashed the world market and caused a massive global economic depression that gave Hitler a means to rise to power
+EmperorTigerstar Um well there's Bulgaria before the Balkan wars and after Bulgaria annexed Serbia but nothing in between and no lakes in Finland. I like to keep things realistic because I want be a mapper animator like you.
I love your stuff... and this one is very interesting. However I think it would be possible only in a scenario of absolute and indefensible victory for the Central Powers.
WW 1 was a major European blunder. It is often blamed on the Germans and Austrians, but the reality is very different. If one looks at the industrial output of Germany and then compares it with the dwindling output of Great Britain that had started the 'Industrial Revolution', one will see that there was an economic reason for the war. There was also a revanchist reason: nationalism was festering among the smaller peoples of Europe, many of whom wanted their own state. The larger states wanted to 'rectify' the borders by regaining territory they had lost in previous wars. Anyway, once WW 1 was over, large economic units were broken up and replaced by smaller units that had difficulty surviving. And instead of becoming better for all, a post-war Europe contained the same kinds of petty nonsense that the pre-war Europe had had: Czechoslovakia: 6 million Czech speakers, 2 million Slovak speakers, 3 million German speakers, and several other ethnic groups including Hungarians, Poles, Rusyns, Jews (considered as a separate ethnic group, but most of them were German (not Yiddish) speakers. Look at all major and many minor countries and one will find a bewildering number of minority ethnic groups, often discriminated against by the dominant ethnic group in their own country. What we have nowadays is a EU of democracies with good laws protecting minority peoples. Had the European powers in 1900 decided to be reasonable, they might have saved millions of people from being murdered on the battlefields and in the bombardments and concentration camps of WW 1 and WW 2 and their aftermath.
Good! I found you a few inaccuracies, which obviously spoil the impression of a good video. 1) The border between Georgia and Turkey, Georgia and Armenia, Armenia and Turkey have been others. Turkey annexed the Lori region (which belonged to Georgia), so as to have a "corridor" to Azerbaijan, so the Georgian-Armenian border has disappeared. 2) Armenia is not controlled Kars, Syunik and Nakhichevan. They were occupied by the Turks. 3) North Caucasian republics was a puppet of Turkey, although the Turks did not have time to go there. 4) Ukraine, Belarus, Don, Kuban were client states of Germany. 5) Georgia controlled territory of the Black Sea coast to Tuapse, because there the population has expressed reluctance to be part of any Russian. 6) Germany is not annexed part of the Baltic. She was in reoganizovana puppets - The Baltic Duchy and Lithuanian kingdom. 7) Romania was occupied by the Central Powers. This is not displayed. 8) Finland has been an ally of Germany, but not shaded in light gray. 9) Emirate of Jabal Shammar - turkish client-states.
Knowing what I know about history during the 17th Century and earlier, it's no wonder that the similar tactic of creating puppet states is used here, as many of the Central Powers were born or came to prominence during this chaotic time and still operated out of that mindset. The Allies, of course, also sort of had 'puppet states,' but referred to them as 'mandates.' But the Allies were more colonial than the Central Powers who were mainly just looking to pop up allies in Europe and spread influence there. It would be very interesting to see how the world would have been shaped by a Central Powers victory; perhaps history would have slowed down a bit and nuclear weapons not invented?
I’ll help you fill in some info. Germany wished to take the Belgian Congo from Belgium, and the southern half of French Equatorial Africa. Germany would have created the colony of Middle Africa from it as well.
one nitpick though: If you'd follow history based on 1914 documents and earlier, then you should have included Italy. Back in 1914 and early 1915 Italy was negotiating with both powerblocks, and only (or wel, mainly, the story is a bit more complicated) chose for the T'ententre because the Germans reached a stalemate on the western front and the Austrian-Hungarian army was being slaughtered on the eastern front. This means that back in 1914, the scenario of Italy joining the Central Powers was a very realistic one, for which many political outcomes were put on paper.
"THIS IS NOT A WHAT-IF STORY." "This is WHAT Europe would look like IF the Central Powers won..." I think that this is very much a what-if story. Cool video regardless.
Ayyy, that could be pretty cool. Independent Ukraine was actually fully supported by german military power through period of it's monarchy (Skoropadsky and Hetmanat). So if Germans could win war, USSR could be much less powerful then, and WW2 definitely wouldn't started at all.
Actually, Germany technically one against the russians through the treaty of Brest-Litovsk, but due to the germans losing on the western front, the treaty was not recognized by the rest of the world.
Lucas Lawton Germany probably wouldn't have allowed it , even if they were at war the two nations still had ties due to their unifications being intertwined , similar to how after beating Austria Hungary the Germans got an alliance with them
Germany and Italy were really closed to each others. AH was like the unwanted 3rd. Many Caporetto POWs were able to understand and speak German for having being migrants
"Germany had the most detailed ambitions".
Why am I not surprised....
Peter Magro Sorry, but this is wrong. Bismarck said, that Germany is saturised in 1871. There were no ambitions to make war.
Misha Rosalie Bößenecker I refer to the video- not Bismarck. Bismark was brilliant.
What do you mean ?
Nukledus All is properly written down, in good order and very very detailed.
most detailed on their side.
Britain France Italy Riomania and Russia ad elaborate treaties for what they were going to divvy up
Austria-Hungary in this scenario:
-wins war
-loses land
kewl
>doesnt starve
#worth
Why would Austria-Hungary, a country which was already incredibly ethnically divided want to annex more ethnicities?
They had plans to make the only Ukrainian Habsburg King of Ukraine and he almost did but bad luck and German worries kept that from happening. If he was King it wouldn't look to bad for the Austrians to hand off Galicia though considering that the Ukrainians were the the most loyal peoples of the Empire behind the Germans themselves, they might not want to throw off the population balance,
also the fact that the Germans pretty much had to prop up the Austrians to whole war, after losing several million troops to serbia and Russia
I think they lost something like something like 500,000 men on the first push into Serbia because of backwards tactical thinking?
Either way they may have been compensated with some colonial territories in africa or something
So true, diversity is not strength, Austria-Hungary was doomed from the start even if they would win the war it is highly unlikely that they would survive in their 1914 form.
This is NOT alternate history, but actual plans and ambitions of the Central Powers during World War I.
+EmperorTigerstar legit, alternate history is some serious shit you don't want to mess with
+EmperorTigerstar If only
Interesting indeed...!
where do you got the map from?
+EmperorTigerstar
PLS PLS Map of Europe (or World) if the axis power won World War II :D
This was really interesting - I'm always glad to see this kind of variety on mapping channels.
Ollie Bye, your video "The Rise and Fall of the British Empire" inspired me to create my own, British-esque colonial Empire, Drijkia...
Ollie Bye crazy to see both the GOATS of mapping lol
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I believe Austria would've taken Veneto, to punish the Italians for joining the war.
Don't think so. Too many different ethnic groups.
Austria was already a multicultural empire, and it also already had Italians in their territory. Furthermore, they actually owned the territory 50 years prior.
Zephyrus Mapping I know all of that. But taking even more Italian land would mean that there are more Italians for a potential revolution. And AH knew that a revolution would happen in the future.
It is very possible that they would have taken Veneto. It was just 50 years before they lost some italian ground.
Paper Iggy Alex even more? there were no italian land in austro-hungary
Why do greater German Empires always look so cool?
Idk. But I agree
Looks fat and mushy... I preffer the normal german empire with the excess territory of the greater german empire to go to their puppets.
Very sexy indeed, but still not as sexy as the Persian Empire with its rich and thicc pair of Parthia/Bartria booties
Cretium Ottoman Empire cooler than germen
Germany should reinstate the monarchy and reform the a greater German empire
>independent, united Ireland
That's it, I now 100% support a Central Power victory
You are almost 100 years too late. I support an Entente victory, it helped unite all the Romanian lands and people into one country. Justice was Trianon.
Trianon was far too harsh imo.
Hungarians had done nothing to the Entente, Austrians did. 80% reduction is too far.
wait hold up, is this the one and only gecko vs the state on some random youtube video advocating for a government even though you're an ancap?
Captain Decimus transylvania is not Romanian or hungarian its partially both
damn right brother, tiocfaidh ar la!! 🇮🇪🇩🇪
Did... Did you... Did you just speak? *Breaths heavily* IS THIS A DREAM?! *faints*
+Nick Vagnone I've actually spoken on several videos. XD
+Nick Vagnone there is whole series where he speaks
Hi friend! I am from Turkey..Your Foresight is very logical. Because Ottomans wants to contol again egypt,arabia and north africa but this is not Primary purpose. Ottomans primarily wanted to reach eastern turkistan territory and Azerbaijan,Turkmenistan, kazakhstan, ozbekistan, krgizistan. And Ottoman, had dreamed of liberating the Turks.
Congratulations successful video, I will continue to follow you.
I'm part of this 5 year old legendary comment yyyes.
I genuinely don’t remember why this was so cool to me 5 years ago
That's why we have kaisereich in Hearts of Iron 4 lol
Neutronex Mapping wtf
Lol. Also kaisereich in German literally means emperor empire
@@fierylightning3422 ehh, Kaiser can mean emperor but it _technically_ is a closer translation to Caesar, but the more important issue is that Reich does not mean Empire. It more directly translates to realm. So Kaiserreich would be better translated as "The realm of the Kaiser"
Ya lol. The mod is ao kewl
@@michaelweiske702 ah, thanks, didn’t realise.
I imagine Germany would pick up Belgian Congo as well, and maybe a French colony or two.
Losing eastern Galicia might be a blessing in disguise for the Austrians- one less source of ethnic tension.
It might've also spited other ethnic groups however.
Can't really say that post war arrangement would be stable, as the one we had historically also wasn't
He said map of Europe he didn't include anything other continent for this
At least they're not completely ruining the losing side like the allies did irl with Austria-Hungary and the Ottomans
Austria-Hungary and the Ottomans were going to fall either way
@@cesaregaragnani2932 yes but it should ve not been like sevres,trianon or saint germain.These trearies didnt make peace.These treaties just led to another war which would be way bigger.The entente countries just showed us about their unending demands
@@cesaregaragnani2932 actually the ottomans we’re doing a bunch of reforms and I believe they would’ve survived
@@afr0218 it wouldnt survive.It would crash under the immense arab nationalism,but it would have been able to secure more lands than our turkey.
@@ykdm-by4cm it would have easily survive. Ottomans had discovered oil fields in Iraq and Hejaz in 1913. That combined with addition revenue from Suez Canal after the war would have helped Ottomans accumulate huge amount of wealth. It could buy more weapons from Germany and more advisors and host a bigger army.
In my language there is a saying which can be translated as "if my aunt had balls, I'd have an uncle"
And he'd be a cut-dick.
we have this in Poland too
In Austria we've got the saying "Wast' ned aufigstiegn, wast' ned owa gfoin, hädst' mei Schwesta gheirat wast' mei Schwoga woan."
"If you hadn't climbed up, you would not had fell down, if you had married my sister, you would had become my brother in law."
It means basically the same as your sayings.
Che in italiano sarebbe: "Se mio nonno avesse le ruote, sarebbe un tram".
Actually in Turkish we say "If my aunt had a moustache she would be my uncle"
Out of all of them, only Bulgaria was the closest into achieving their territory.
It was Austria Hungary cuz they lost land lol
@@4n5h327 Erm, after the Treaty of Bucharest, Bulgaria's territory had to change less than Austria-Hungary's for their ambitions to be satisfied. So... yeah. Bulgaria got the closest, by far. But hey, Austria-Hungary is easily in second place. The one who fell most short of their goals was the Ottoman Empire. They planned to annex or puppet Egypt, Sudan, Cyprus, the Dodecanese Islands, and the Caucasian states. That never happened.
@@deleetiusproductions3497 Ottoman Empire tried to take back the lands that lost before. But thanks(!) to Enver Pasha, 90.000 Turkish Solider died in Sarıkamış before the war. And arab revolts, Ottoman Empire really took a heavy blow. And The America joined the war, Lets J-ust say it wasnt good for Central Powers. In fact, Ottomans trusted Germans, Bulgarians truted Ottomans and the result was kinda bad
Than Stronk Bulgaria takes over world right?
I don't see any other way it could play out. Resistance is futile.
+Gary Busususaurus no, stronk luxembourg take over world
no, New England gains independence and takes over the world
Heather Vastakis i know! JAN MAYEN 4LIFE!
As soon as Germany took Luxembourg, Germany started loosing...
JK ;P Though Luxemburg was conquered in a day during the war.
Why did Germany want Georgia you might ask.. well, it was to launch an invasion into central asia and liberate Persia, Afghanistan, and India. India was the most important, as it would cripple the british empire to lose it.
Germany invited Mexico to be a part of the war; mainly to keep american troops away from Europe. This invitation was sent by radio, and americans intercepted it and confronted Mexico who claimed their plan was to decline the offer - this invitation played a role in americas subsequent involvement in the war, which otherwise might not have happened until the early 1920's, or not at all.
sent by radio because fuck diplomats right?
Gani Fırat Erdoğan exactely. Things may have turned out very differently if they'd sent a diplomat
+Levi Johansen Actually it was intercepted by the British, who showed it to the Americans
Levi Johansen The Zimmerman nite has been debunked thousands of times. Most historians agree that it was a false notw made by the British to bring America into the war.
Why would Germany risk angering America further by contacting Mexico, of all places, to hold off America? And why not send a diplomat? Exactly! And the British happened to intercept the note? What does Germany have to gain from Mexico attempting to hold off the US? What does Mexico have to gain? Why would Germany consider this a good Idea at all?
Painekiller12 That is flat out not correct. The author, the German foreign secretary even admitted it was genuine in March 1917. Why would you assert that it's not true? This is kind of false assertion is just pointless
The shape of Germany's ambitions looks so much better than modern Germany ._.
Yeah especially the facism part.
+Ixor This was WWI, not WWII. In fact, if Germany had won WWI I doubt the Nazis would have gained power ever in Germany.
Matthew Brown A.) Wrong war, slight confusion there. B.) John Mackenzie No but greed for empire would have consumed it like all other countries.
I can call myself a fucking space alien, don't make me one. GET IT RIGHT.
+Ixor Imperialism isn't at all inherently fascist. That's just a presumption on your part.
Awesome, I actually love these semi-alternate history videos.
Mkay
It's interesting to see how many people miss the premise, especially given the presenter's disclaimer that this is not a discussion of *how* the Central Powers *might* have achieved any of these goals, it's a look at what the map of Europe might have looked like, *had they achieved* those goals. So many posters respond with, "Never could have happened", etc. That's not the point of the premise.
In our timelime, In the final version of the treaty of Bucharest (after the 25th of september 1918), Bulgaria received all of Northern Dobruia.
In return the Ottoman Empire would have gained some bulgarian land on the left bank of the Maritsa river.
I'm guessing in this timeline it would've been the same.
Good video regardless.
Didn't the ottomans promise some correction of the border in favour of bulgaria (along with other land promised to them by the germans, austrians ) just for them to join the central powers?
Ukraine would also become a German protectorate to keep any Russian resurgence at bay, not just a food supplier to Austria
Peter S kremlin shill, pls
I actually Like the idea of the Germans only taking Waloon land from Belgium and then giving Belgium back rightful Flemish lands from France. Maybe Germany should've won. By th way, what about Africa?
+Maarten van Rossem Lezingen These land do not rightfully belong to Flemish, they where french a long time before Belgium was a thing.
Vee Ka
Except they've always spoken Flemish and they've only been part of France after a war between France and Austria somewhere in the 18th century.
Just look up Mittel-Afrika
Germany had plans to annex all of the African colonies. Most likely all of South, West, and East Africa would of been annexed. If not all at least most parts would
I think its better they lost...
If I ever get a time machine, I will download all of these alternate history videos, get a laptop, and lot of books of modern societies and reforms. Then I will head straight to the kaisers palace in Berlin and give the kaiser all of that. Then the central powers can win ww1 and we can live in the great German confederation .
Then I eat a Schnitzel
+1
You don't need to do all of that to eat a schnitzel
@@ליאלרובינוב-ר8ס I was planning to eat a BIG schnitzel
@@ליאלרובינוב-ר8ס lol, even jewish still about to get same path as our world timeline, due to they betrayal
Anti jewish still gonna blow up in kaiserreich timeline
Hey, atleast WW2 probably wouldn'tve happened 🤷♂️
This description though: "THIS IS *NOT A WHAT-IF* STORY. This is *what* Europe would look like *if* the Central Powers won based off of real documents and plans made during the war.
USA would not have messed up the Middle East.
Waiiiiiiit... I thought the Europeans fucked up the middle east
@Bjergsen Senpai and the French
The Europeans did that for us, only thing we're doing now is meddling with their affairs which we shouldn't be doing. All for the black gold.
*looks at Sykes-Picot*
Yeah....Americans...in...their..blue and red uniforms...
Germany would have taken more African colonies as well and maybe an Asian port.
They already had Qingdao, but they lost it early on to the japanese. There was also German New Guinea. The East Indies were mostly held by the Dutch, who were neutral, but they may have taken British Malaya or Singapore, or maybe French Indochina.
That's preposterous, they wouldnt have enough war score for that :P
You mean the MittelAfrika or whatever plan?
@@userrend
Germany would have the most war score for sure
Austria-Hungary has low stability and can't conquer much, plus they got carried by Bulgaria and Germany
The same thing with the Ottomans but they were a lot weaker
And Bulgaria was still recovering from the Second Balkan War
Also, it is almost impossible to imagine a Bulgarian Malaya or an Austro-Hungarian Indochina, so Germany would've taken them
The french colonial empire would have likely been simply taken over by germany wholesale, and the british and italian mediterranean posessions would have also likely changed hands.
3:42 i literally just laughed out loud. "Just to spite the British" lmfao
Best part is Middle Eastern war might have been never happened.
Best part is that ww2 would probably not happen, and even if did, the destruction and madness scale would be much less
@@erenliebert4576 WW2 would have happened. Probably a Hitler like radical would rise up in France or Britain and form alliance with with Russia to defeat Germany. But Germany and it's allies would have curbstomped France or and it's allies. Germany already had the best trained army in world. That along with Ottomans, who would be swimming in money from the Oil fields of Azerbaijan, Iraq and Arabia etc and Austria would easily defeat anyone
@Algotnis I would expect them to ask huge reparations from Britain.
His mic makes him sound like a online high school teacher
I'm pretty sure Austria-Hungary would collapse soon after the war giving Bulgaria more of an opportunity to take more land. Also I think that sooner of later Bulgaria would get cocky and try to take Constatinople from the Ottomans giving them a chance to reclaim lost territory I'm the Balkans.
actualy austria planned reforms to avoid that
Interesting theory.
-I like it-
If the Austrian empire were to fall I'm pretty sure the Turk would come next.
Although in some alternate world the Ottomans retain their empire, them expanding (Especially into the Balkans) is complete Fantasy.
After the Balkan wars and that all its allies betrayed Bulgaria resultet in super mobilazing and Bulgaria was more than hungry to just kill everyone in the Balkans, so it's alliance with Germans was really welcomed. At the times Bulgaria mobilize to a point where they had more tanks than ottoman turks and greeks combined and have the biggest army % per available person in the world at the time(Bassicaly every single men in the country was mobilazed and every women as well(beeing nurses)). Austro-Hungarian empire was about to fall, aswell as ottoman empire. If central powers won this war, more than likely Bulgaria would attack again and again, as the main goal was to achieve the ethnic borders of Bulgaria: i.ytimg.com/vi/AWcAptOxoEM/hqdefault.jpg
but im sure if we had a chance we could have tried to attack Constantipole since we have done it many times before within the first and second Bulgarian Empire. But the main goal was to restore the ethnic borders, for sure - here is a video of this time th-cam.com/video/OA-0k8zXxiY/w-d-xo.html&t=
Yeah, our first presidend Masaryk wanted stay in Austria-Hungary on the start, but he was politic in high structures of Austria-Hungary and he recognized that Austria-Hungary can't survive because all that conflicts inside. Give little more autonomy to some region can't solve that, all nations wanted their own national countries.
1:25 , found a single mistale in that map, and that’s only because it’s about my own country:
German border with Denmark, Germany owned land up to the king creek (Kongeåen), which meant that Germany owned a big part of Southern Jutland. Denmark got that territory back after WW1, despite not fighting in the war
in an alternate universe an alternate you could be doing a map of Europe if the allies won ww1
And everybody would probably think France/Belgium and Britain would've eaten all of Europe.
Would Italy get all of Dalmatia?
or videos of Fascist France trying to blitzkrieg Germany for revenge in the alternate universe WW2
The German Empire wanted to make Kurland/Courland their Colony, according to a Latvian History Book
Well, they wanted to make it a puppet state with a German monarch as king. At the start of the war, there were also plans to make a "United Baltic Duchy".
@@alba489_ the united baltic duchy existed briefly and wanted to join the german empire as a state
Wouldnt Austria-Hungary want Veneto and Lombardy back from Italy?
We did
But u died before!
+dfadg sadfga pls make it faster u can! in italy living is unsupportable with a corrupt imbecile italian government.
The Austro Hungarian Empire was already struggling with the oppressed nationalities it already had, annexing a vast and densely populated region completely inhabitated by Italians would' ve not made their situation any better. They don' t call Austria-Hungary "an Empire bond to collapse" for no reason.
+T18k24s and what are u waiting for?
Germany, Bulgaria and Ottomans: gain stuff
Austria: **100% chance of death**
Central Powers Power!
+Vadeem Ivanov
All Power to Central Powers!
Go go central powers contries !!!
I dont like the Ottomans,but as a Turk,Ill join
Niye sevmiyorsun?
Berrak kısa sg sevmiyosa sevmiyo
Germany’s 1914 and 1943 borders looks so pretty idk why
The Central Powers signed a protocol that allowed Bulgaria to keep whole Dobrudja.
I love your channel,keep up the good work.
1:28 turn the captions on "Bulgaria wanted to dominate the falcons" X''''DD
+Endrit Bytyqi The rest of the video sounds funny with the captions actually
Endrit Bytyqi It said balconies for me. Lol.
Endrit Bytyqi I think TH-cam changed their CC algorithm at some point because that's not what it says anymore. Shame, I saw it before and it was comedy gold.
no we dont want falcons
mine is "balconies" :D
You didn't talk about how finland would become a german allied kingdom with a German prince becoming king!
+DeanmC261993 They already tried it but it didn't work.
@@EmperorTigerstar not... not just because the war ended before that prince could accept his new ambt?! i remember that's what happened
I just realized that the ottaman empire and the austrian empire fought there lives long with eachother en died together as allies supporting eachother a salute for that one😔
you forget to say that Austro-Hunagry would be renamed and changed goverment to trialisam called Austro-Hungaro-Croatia because its last emperor accepted Croatian request of trialisam at the end of the war.
Germany was also planning on turning Finland into a monarchy with a German king, kinda turning them into a puppet state.
Love your videos. Keep making them!!
"emperortigerstaralt" has been deleted for a while now, which tells you how old this video is without looking at anything else.
i love these videos. Do more like these!
Damn Bulgaria be looking thicc
wow very informative video ! I'm impressed :O
subscribed :)
*Kaiserreich intensifies*
I get this.
Habsburgs:Whatever,We have a different way to conquering Europe:not by army,by marriage between houses
By the way, a fun fact about the Bucharest Treaty: It also made the parts NOT occupied by Bulgaria a joint occupation zone between the Central Powers, while guaranteeing Romanian access to the Black Sea through Cernavoda and Constanza. Later, during the very end of the war, that protectorate was annexed by us...for about a week. So, depending on WHEN the war was won, the map might look differently indeed.
I don't know if anybody mentioned it before, but It's interesting that in 1916, week before USA came to war, Germany send Peace Offer to England that would leave things at status Quo, considering that Allies were losing the war at that time, England was seriously considering offer.
Bulgaria didn't wanted "to dominate the Balkans" and lands that "it claims historically belonged to it" (otherwise absurd claims as south Athens, west as Italy/Germany, north as Poland and east as Volga, or even central Asia, can be made :-/ ) Bulgaria demanded lands mostly with a ethnic Bulgarian population majority as it claimed as its national ideal since 1878 "the liberation and unification of all ethnic Bulgarians". I am giving the official statements, not the regional politics which also include theas the greek 'megali idea' or serbian 'south slavs project'
But it did though
Only one mistake: Albania never fought in the war, so they’re technically neutral, so A-H wouldn’t have the permission to invade them.
Also seems a little strange the Austro-Hungarian Empire wins a war and looses land..
They didn't want to take anything in WWI and were largely against annexing Serbia especially early on. They only wanted to dominate the Balkans economically and politically, not control them directly.
Technically yes, however Albania was occupied by Italian troups early on, before being pushed back into Greece and Macedonia, so it's likely that the restored government would still be dependent on the Central Powers after their victory
Wouldn't Austria want to annex parts of Italy which were lost during the previous century? (Venetia during the Austrian-Prussian War and Lombardy during the Austrian-Sardinian war)?
Italy was an ally to Germany Before the war broke out! But they didn't join in on their side because the British were so rich and Italy had food problems and such. Austrians were defining against the Italians during the Great War, but pretty sure that Astrian would have taken those lands if they won the war.
+John Paul Mizzi This video is about the ex ante claims of the various states. As at the beginning Italy was not involved, no claim was made on italian territory.
Of course once Italy joined the fight, if it would have lost it would have lost some territory, but to be decided yet.
@@barrankobama4840 Italy would have ceased to exist as a state if it lost.
@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 why so? Did Germany ceased to exist after WWI?
@@barrankobama4840 No it did not, but it did after WWII. There would have been strong incentive, especially for Austria to reparpartition the Italian Kingdoms.
Do WW2 axis please
Yes
I bet Hitler's negotiating would be something like. "Ok, Italy you get Cyprus and Sardinia. Japan you get Korea, some Indonesian islands, The Philippines and Sri Lanka. And We get everything else!
Then there probably would have been a war(Italy+Japan vs Germany) over who gets what.
+nigel = Brainwashed
Hitler Let France keep their south part and ALL their colonies, and even their navy, he didn't integrate much of Enemies' land, he would most likely Ask FR & UK pay war reparations like they did to Germany after WW1
Japan is most likely to keep what they took, it feels like they wanted a world conquest regarding their acts & ambitions
Leader IM ϟϟ It was a joke bro.
+Leader IM ϟϟ I also heard that when the war was over, he would give back the north part of France, he only wanted it so he could supervise it and keep it safer from naval attacks such a in D-day, sadly he was a sleep at that time. that is why, although the land got thin the more south the occupied land was, he still kept all Atlantic areas of France, he should have kept most except tiny part of Mediterranean coast too because naval invasion happened there too.
They should have won.
Yes, we should have.
not really, if they would have had a bit more mobile army and more modern tactics yes the schlieffen plan would have worked like it did in WW2 all it did was bring england into the war and give them propaganda fuel of the atrocities that happened in Belgium
But Germany probably would have won the war if they weren't already tense with England trying to build up a navy to rival their's (which bismark recommended an alliance with England, especially with how close their cultures were becoming)
And without British support the French probably would have eventually cracked from depleting all their man power
Italy probably would have been more hesitate to join the war which would have meant Austria being able to bring more men to the eastern front and help fend off Russia easier and finish off Serbia quicker
So many people are okay with Armenia being destroyed. You are supporting a genocidal regime.
Levon Gevorgyan no like I'm not saying the ottomans should have won don't get me wrong
Very nice. You're a good narrator.
I would absolutely love if this was done for WW2.
Please make a video based on what the Entente countries wanted to gain and what actually gained, Like France, Greece, Serbia those countries wished for more lands but they didn't gained those lands at all
@Gabriel Pineda indeed
There were attempts to reform Austria-Hungary to become a trialist monarchy, with south Slavic territories as the third entity under the Croatian Crown. This would probably happen if Central Powers won.
And if nobody had shot Archduke Franz Ferdinand, all ethnicities of Austria-Hungary would have gotten their own state once he took the throne without a need for the worst war in history.
@@Quintinohthree Yes, if the monarchy survived it would undoubtedly confederate sooner or later.
@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 The results were inevitable, and it is absolutely regretable how it had to come to these results, but that is history.
@@Quintinohthree The ballanazition of central europe was not inevitable, but preventing it would ha e either required a victory in the war, extremely unlikely, or a decade or more of peace, again extremely unlikely.
@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 With nationalistic fervor running high and all these distinct ethnicities all wishing a state of their own, I most certainly do think it was inevitable, I just think the Habsburg Monarchy could have survived in some way uniting them, although with Poles, Ukrainians, Romanians, Serbs and Italians all spread across their borders into neighbouring countries, it would certainly be difficult.
This is a great video and such, but the volume was quite low. Hope you can fix this in the upcoming videos. Nonetheless, good job.
What a shame we lost the war :P
+Preussen Deutschland True.
+Preussen Deutschland We lost everything unfortunately. :/
From Hungary.
+Preussen Deutschland What a shame the germans shamelessly invaded Belgium and started slaughtered the innocent. We as Europeans should stick together instead of fighting amongst ourselves, however strong our imperialistic delusions might be.
Yah, it is a shame. You winning the war would've stopped Hitler from ever coming to power.
On the flip side, I guess Germany would, after the war, have instantly siezed all the colonies belonging to France and the UK, instantly becoming the single largest Empire in history. (The people here in South Africa wouldn't have minded becoming a German Colony instead of a British one honestly)
Preussen Deutschland yes it is
I like this more, you should talk more in your videos my friend! It helps me stay focused among other positive things!
A perfect world doesn't exi....
Hold up
WHAT
@@Offically_alive ?
@@Offically_alive WW1
Very interesting video. I would like to see the documents by myself, but that is not the problem. Thanks for a video. I hope that is not the last one.
This IS alternate history. The war aim discussion was never finished in Germany. For example there were three big German concepts for the Polish "Grenzstreifen". It also included the option to annex nothing in Russian Poland. Some of the concepts aimed on a realization at war, which never happened. The other areas in Eastern Europe and as well in Western Europe were similar problematic. It is also highly controversial among historians, which aims would have been realized in the case of victory for the Central Powers. Sry, but this video presents an assertion. I like almost all of your other videos and your channel, but in this case I have to give a TD.
+Jonnymur Well... I didn't know about any of this, and as such can't make informed conclusions of my own, so now I feel that I must ask: Which plans do YOU think would have been realized if the Germans won (in the 1918 Spring Offensive)? Moreover, which did the Kaiser support (since those would've most likely been given approval)?
I agree. They also are just that, plans. Who's to say they would have been applied as-is ?
I agree with your opinion, and btw, people in the chat always write memes about what's happening in video :/ instead of how good the vid is
What sources did you use? I can't find anything about Germany annexing certain puppets and not annexing others?.
Just look up the September program
@@An5w3r-77 It does not specify that only, the baltics, crimea, and Poland would be puppets.
What I think:
• Germany annexes Luxembourg, the French region of Briey-Longwy, and the Belgian region of Luxembourg in the West, while also annexing the Polish Border Strip in the East. Despite German ambitions, I think Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania would still emerge as Republics like IOTL, but would still be German clients nonetheless. Belgium would also be a German client.
• Austria-Hungary would occupy Serbia, Montenegro, Albania, and also the Italian region of Veneto. In the aftermath of the war, the country would decentralize and federalize into the United States of Greater Austria (or something to that effect.) The best way to describe how it would operate would be like the USA under the Articles of Confederation; each ethnic group within the country would have their own province almost completely autonomous in every way, with their own heads of state and their own state governments. Austrian Emperor Charles I would still reign over Austria, Bohemia, Galicia-Lodomeria and Bukovina. Serbia, Montenegro, Albania, North Epirus and Veneto would become new members of the USGA in addition to Slovakia, Transylvania, Hungary, Bosnia, Croatia, and Slovenia (besides Austria, Bohemia, etc.)
• I agree with Bulgaria, I don’t think anything would change from how you put it.
• I think the Ottomans would also occupy Libya in addition to everything else you put. And maybe also help prop up independent nations in the Russian Stan’s.
• Besides Russia, I think France could also fall into civil war. Germany would sponsor whatever faction would best serve them, and also have Italy help them. Italy would be rewarded with Savoy, Nice, and Corsica as compensation for losing Veneto. The German-sponsored faction in France eventually wins, and France joins Mitteleuropa. Russia is still taken over by the Soviets, though Soviet Russia ITTL is much smaller, akin to modern-day Russia’s borders. Rather than become the Soviet Union, it’s just called the Russian Soviet Republic.
• Once borders are finalized, Germany founds the Mitteleuropa organization. The first members to join alongside them are: Belgium, Denmark, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Belarus, Ukraine, and some members of the USGA. Germany eventually plans for all of Europe to be a part of it.
• Tensions eventually erupt between Germany and Greater Austria because Germany despises Austria’s federal system of government. Germany declares war on them alongside Italy, Poland, Ukraine, Romania, and Greece. Several USGA regions secede, refusing to fight. Italy annexes Veneto (which includes Trentino and Istria,) Germany annexes Austria and the Sudetenland (which both join together as the Kingdom of Austria, a member state of the German Empire,) Poland annexes West Galicia, Ukraine annexes East Galicia, Romania annexes Bukovina and Transylvania, and Greece annexes North Epirus. Albania, Hungary, Slovakia and Czechia gain independence. Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia, Croatia, and Slovenia unite together to form Yugoslavia.
That's probably the biggest downside of Central Powers victory. Unstable Europe. I mean, even in our timeline, it was unstable. But during the war, there was tensions between Germany, Austria-Hungary, Turkey and Bulgaria. While I think Karl I would do anything to prevent another war, I don't Kaiser Wilhelm would wage another war especially after losing 2.5m people. But there's still tensions between Bulgaria and Turkey. Likely would start another war since both Enver Pasha and Tsar Ferdinand were warmongers, always wanting more. But it wouldn't be a world war.
@@mohdadeeb1829 Something like the League of Nations would likely still be founded even in a CP-victory timeline. Plus Germany would use Mitteleuropa to turn pretty much all of Europe against whoever might challenge them. Basically mass-deterrence.
Would there be a WW2? No idea, possibly but depends.
Europe would be a much better place if this would have happened.
as a Pole NOOO
Troll & Berichtigungs GmbH Because there wouldn't be a poland
look at this map and then look at Poland today. do you have any idea why, now?
Fuck off would it be a much better place. Puppet states, client states and colonialism? I think I'm better with Britain and France winning thank you.
The polish ethic group was mostly surrounded by Germans and slavs by this point in time
If this had happened we probably wouldn't have seen the massive purge of Polish peoples by the nazis and by the Russians in WW2, since it's argued that WW2 wouldn't have even happened if it wasn't for the bad peace treaty the French pushed at the end of WW1
Which inflated and then crashed the world market and caused a massive global economic depression that gave Hitler a means to rise to power
There would be no WWII if this would have happened
Do you think Russia, France and Britain would've stayed quite after territorial and imperial losses? I don't think so.
For goodness sakes where did you get the maps of this video?
I edit the same map myself.
+EmperorTigerstar well could you put the maps on The Blank Atlas?
shadshadow201 The base map is already on there.
+EmperorTigerstar Um well there's Bulgaria before the Balkan wars and after Bulgaria annexed Serbia but nothing in between and no lakes in Finland. I like to keep things realistic because I want be a mapper animator like you.
shadshadow201 The base map is all you need. I literally alter everything else by hand.
I'm soooo glad that you got a better mic but damn if I don't love this scenario
It´s a pity that this scenario is just an illusion :(
Why?
Fun fact; current borders of Russia are along the lines of Brest Litovsk. One way or another Germans managed to push Russia that much back.
Luxembourg was the reason that the Central Powers lost
I love your stuff... and this one is very interesting. However I think it would be possible only in a scenario of absolute and indefensible victory for the Central Powers.
WW 1 was a major European blunder. It is often blamed on the Germans and Austrians, but the reality is very different. If one looks at the industrial output of Germany and then compares it with the dwindling output of Great Britain that had started the 'Industrial Revolution', one will see that there was an economic reason for the war. There was also a revanchist reason: nationalism was festering among the smaller peoples of Europe, many of whom wanted their own state. The larger states wanted to 'rectify' the borders by regaining territory they had lost in previous wars.
Anyway, once WW 1 was over, large economic units were broken up and replaced by smaller units that had difficulty surviving. And instead of becoming better for all, a post-war Europe contained the same kinds of petty nonsense that the pre-war Europe had had: Czechoslovakia: 6 million Czech speakers, 2 million Slovak speakers, 3 million German speakers, and several other ethnic groups including Hungarians, Poles, Rusyns, Jews (considered as a separate ethnic group, but most of them were German (not Yiddish) speakers. Look at all major and many minor countries and one will find a bewildering number of minority ethnic groups, often discriminated against by the dominant ethnic group in their own country.
What we have nowadays is a EU of democracies with good laws protecting minority peoples. Had the European powers in 1900 decided to be reasonable, they might have saved millions of people from being murdered on the battlefields and in the bombardments and concentration camps of WW 1 and WW 2 and their aftermath.
EU will swim in blood soon enough
italy allso took lybya from thw otomans
This was Europe only
OC Beezilla egypt is not in europe and he talked about it
Italy was not a central power, and thus would not have gained any land.
Sir Deathcap they would have lost it back to the otommans
nebo iznad krajolika Naravno najaca :)
Good! I found you a few inaccuracies, which obviously spoil the impression of a good video.
1) The border between Georgia and Turkey, Georgia and Armenia, Armenia and Turkey have been others. Turkey annexed the Lori region (which belonged to Georgia), so as to have a "corridor" to Azerbaijan, so the Georgian-Armenian border has disappeared.
2) Armenia is not controlled Kars, Syunik and Nakhichevan. They were occupied by the Turks.
3) North Caucasian republics was a puppet of Turkey, although the Turks did not have time to go there.
4) Ukraine, Belarus, Don, Kuban were client states of Germany.
5) Georgia controlled territory of the Black Sea coast to Tuapse, because there the population has expressed reluctance to be part of any Russian.
6) Germany is not annexed part of the Baltic. She was in reoganizovana puppets - The Baltic Duchy and Lithuanian kingdom.
7) Romania was occupied by the Central Powers. This is not displayed.
8) Finland has been an ally of Germany, but not shaded in light gray.
9) Emirate of Jabal Shammar - turkish client-states.
This was about what it WOULD have looked like - You've described what actually happened when Russia surrendered in 1917.
just what I have been looking for great!!
Knowing what I know about history during the 17th Century and earlier, it's no wonder that the similar tactic of creating puppet states is used here, as many of the Central Powers were born or came to prominence during this chaotic time and still operated out of that mindset. The Allies, of course, also sort of had 'puppet states,' but referred to them as 'mandates.' But the Allies were more colonial than the Central Powers who were mainly just looking to pop up allies in Europe and spread influence there. It would be very interesting to see how the world would have been shaped by a Central Powers victory; perhaps history would have slowed down a bit and nuclear weapons not invented?
In spanish
Cómo hubiera Sido el idioma alemán? Osea no se hubiera extinto en polonia y hubiera estado en África
Bulgaria: *land here and there*
Ottomans: *puppets*
Austria-Hungary: *puppets*
Germany: *O M G S O T H I C C*
Yes, this is a good video, I say more like this would be nice 😉
Now this seems like a best case scenario for the central powers
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Germany wished to take the Belgian Congo from Belgium, and the southern half of French Equatorial Africa. Germany would have created the colony of Middle Africa from it as well.
one nitpick though:
If you'd follow history based on 1914 documents and earlier, then you should have included Italy. Back in 1914 and early 1915 Italy was negotiating with both powerblocks, and only (or wel, mainly, the story is a bit more complicated) chose for the T'ententre because the Germans reached a stalemate on the western front and the Austrian-Hungarian army was being slaughtered on the eastern front.
This means that back in 1914, the scenario of Italy joining the Central Powers was a very realistic one, for which many political outcomes were put on paper.
Look up the mod Kaiserreich for the game Darkest Hour and Hearts of Iron 2, it goes into extreme detail about the results of a central powers victory
+ziggyzap1 Love that game
+ziggyzap1 This mod is super awesome but I think it's a little bit exaggerated.
"THIS IS NOT A WHAT-IF STORY."
"This is WHAT Europe would look like IF the Central Powers won..."
I think that this is very much a what-if story.
Cool video regardless.
Ayyy, that could be pretty cool.
Independent Ukraine was actually fully supported by german military power through period of it's monarchy (Skoropadsky and Hetmanat). So if Germans could win war, USSR could be much less powerful then, and WW2 definitely wouldn't started at all.
Actually, Germany technically one against the russians through the treaty of Brest-Litovsk, but due to the germans losing on the western front, the treaty was not recognized by the rest of the world.
i heard there were plans to attack the ussr after the military had recovered to destroy the red devils
Do an alternate end of the yugoslav wars next. Always wondered what a bosnian Serb win would have looked like.
Didn't Austria-Hungary have an ambition to split Italy in half?
Lucas Lawton Germany probably wouldn't have allowed it , even if they were at war the two nations still had ties due to their unifications being intertwined , similar to how after beating Austria Hungary the Germans got an alliance with them
Germany and Italy were really closed to each others. AH was like the unwanted 3rd.
Many Caporetto POWs were able to understand and speak German for having being migrants
@@rubie8410 I highly doubt that. Their betrayal of the triple alliance would have left them looking like a potentially dangerous power.
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Perfect Europe
5 years later...
I'am here...
4:12 turn on closed captioning -Treaty of Brest-Litovsk- TREATY OF BREAST LIFT OFF
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Ottoman Empire would also take Libya because it wasn't even 5 years before they lost Libya to the Italians before the war started.
Fascinating, sounds accurate too.
Also looks like the aftermath of a peace treaty from a game of EU4 (haven't played Victoria yet).
You could’ve just turned it into Kaiserreich
This was made before either Kaiserreich or HOI4 existed.
@@EmperorTigerstardidn’t Kaiserreich exist in hoi2?