Rainbowfish River Tank at Arcy Aquariums (FULL STOUR TOUR w/

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  • @chelmsford6774
    @chelmsford6774 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I can't see Adrian stressing any fish out 😄 Great people, awesome tanks! Not only do the fish look healthy and bright, but the tank plants in the tanks are incredible HOLY !!!

  • @dragonmomma7145
    @dragonmomma7145 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Perhaps the prettiest and healthiest fish and aquariums ever! Wish all fish keepers, breeders and sellers were as conscientious and this is how ALL fish stores should be! Amazing and gorgeous! Love it! If I lived in Australia I’d be there daily! True inspiration!!

    • @Kaityscichlids
      @Kaityscichlids  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It is certainly incredible!! Ross and Peta have done an amazing job 😊

    • @dragonmomma7145
      @dragonmomma7145 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Kaityscichlids ❤️

  • @kavinsnapgaming8284
    @kavinsnapgaming8284 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ross scape is amZING

  • @aquariusgine6829
    @aquariusgine6829 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    These are some of the most beautiful scapes I have ever seen.

  • @Abilly1r
    @Abilly1r 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    oh man this shop looks incredible. thanks for showing us around

    • @Kaityscichlids
      @Kaityscichlids  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's seriously so amazing! I'm glad you enjoyed it 😊

  • @MrOneWho
    @MrOneWho 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    holy... how lucky are the locals!!

  • @johnnydubbsaquascaping
    @johnnydubbsaquascaping 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    What an amazing shop, people on the Gold Coast are so lucky.

  • @Scaperoot79
    @Scaperoot79 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is one of the most impressive fish stores I've ever seen. The creativity is amazing. Ross is truly an artist. I'm blown away. Thank you for taking your time and going through the whole store!

  • @arturkrol2907
    @arturkrol2907 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    You weren't lying - this shop does indeed look like a fish room. Thank you for the video - great stuff. 🖤❤🧡

  • @scottydee1555
    @scottydee1555 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is my favourite aquarium shop. Great setup, great fish, great staff

  • @paulharris5022
    @paulharris5022 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    These are unbelievable tanks best I've seen. Thanks for taking us on that tour it was great.

  • @CamsAquatics
    @CamsAquatics 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Thank you for sharing such an amazing fish store.

  • @kwackytankslap9339
    @kwackytankslap9339 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I could spend hours in a shop like that. It's great to see someone display their passion like that in a shop.

  • @juliea6791
    @juliea6791 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow truly amazing 💚🌿💚

  • @diegocarvalho7225
    @diegocarvalho7225 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This whole video is pure inspiration, thanks!

  • @zombi3907
    @zombi3907 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Some of the scapes I saw in this video are world class. The lace plant centered on a driftwood island over Buce with the sand substrate is incredible.

  • @CharlesBright-zn9ss
    @CharlesBright-zn9ss 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You can see the care in all the details. Another great look.🐟🐟🐟🐟🐟🐟

  • @brantonlightcap
    @brantonlightcap 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Beautiful store!

  • @Yelsin_Salazar
    @Yelsin_Salazar 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hi Katy, plants definitely make a tank look astonishing. Certainly, Arcy Aquariums has come up with such an innovative idea to display their tanks, I haven't seen it before in any TH-cam video or store here in Peru so I'd definitely buy it. Thanks for showing us another great tour. Greetings and blessings from Peru🙌✌!!!

  • @Lawrence-St.Lawrence1701
    @Lawrence-St.Lawrence1701 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A very nicely done video of Ross' fish room/store Kaity! I have also enjoyed your videos of Adrians fish room and it was nice hearing you and Adrian talk about the various fish and plant species here at Ross'. It is always inspiring to see Adrians fish room, and now Ross'. Thank you for the link to Adrian's fish room and thank you for sharing!

  • @AquaJoyClub
    @AquaJoyClub 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great store tour! I loved all of this!! Amazing!

  • @thehoteldeveloper
    @thehoteldeveloper 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Now you found yet another one that needs their own channel! This place is amazing! 🎉

  • @Option788
    @Option788 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm lucky enough to be a local to this lfs & visited the other day for the first time in a couple of years. I have to say the work that Ross has put in to make it what it is today is incredible. I've seen a fair few shops around the country in the last 10 years & this tops the list by far

  • @후후닷
    @후후닷 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    thanks!

  • @norbertthoens3561
    @norbertthoens3561 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ein Wahnsinns Shop! So viele wunderschöne Aquarien! 😍👍

  • @dingodave3966
    @dingodave3966 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Was in there last week.
    I was blown away, so much so I’m going back for another look.
    Very nice gentleman also.

  • @OceanLife6977
    @OceanLife6977 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The store and the aquariums look absolutely amazing! Thanks for sharing.

  • @billmeyer4773
    @billmeyer4773 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Adren is a encyclopedia. Lol full of knowledge

    • @Kaityscichlids
      @Kaityscichlids  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hahaha, he sure is 🤣

  • @michaelhagan9678
    @michaelhagan9678 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Another amazing Video. Thanks for sharing Katie.

  • @lynnrobertson4657
    @lynnrobertson4657 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi Kaity thank you for sharing this amazing video😊

  • @trudygoodwin4471
    @trudygoodwin4471 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love Arcy’s ❤

  • @timprevost9201
    @timprevost9201 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ross is a legend.
    Peta is the L397 of fish breeders

  • @plowestory
    @plowestory 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Each time I attend the store I swear Ross gets a bit better looking - He is such a handsome man.

    • @arcyaquariums6393
      @arcyaquariums6393 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Love you too Pete! Miss your soft tones!

  • @ghostwriterinme5050
    @ghostwriterinme5050 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome

  • @СергейЛеонтьев-х6д
    @СергейЛеонтьев-х6д 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Kaity thanks for the video was very interesting 😊👍

  • @joeyeats2801
    @joeyeats2801 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Amazing tanks

  • @mannythegardener3132
    @mannythegardener3132 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thankyou thankyou thankyou for this video i am just gobsmacked with every tank absolutely amazingly beautiful. the plants are the healthiest i have ever seen the fish look such great condition and each individual tank are just unique details are just picture perfect. The shrimp varieties, colours are mind blowing.this fish store in my opinion is a gold medal winner the best in Australia. Thankyou again Ross for your amazing shop thankyou Kaity for the video thankyou Adrian for your knowledge

  • @davidwatson1460
    @davidwatson1460 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    WOW, what an awesome store. I’ve never seen anything like that in the US. I would certainly be a frequent flyer there. Thanks for sharing.

  • @lonnieatk9120
    @lonnieatk9120 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What an amazing, aquarium gallery. I'd pay just to spend time looking about. Thank you for doing this tours, they are quite enjoyable.

  • @collinmckeon107
    @collinmckeon107 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    amazing ❤, so unbelievable

  • @TimGiles-s1y
    @TimGiles-s1y 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great tour. It's a fantastic shop. I'm 2hrs south so don't get there as much as I'd like, but I was there the day after you filmed this. Got some co2 equipment and some gold laser crystal. Buy the way Kaity, your the reason I got back into fish. Thank you .

  • @josepolanco1228
    @josepolanco1228 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great video. Thanks for sharing beautiful place

    • @Kaityscichlids
      @Kaityscichlids  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it 😊🙏🏼

    • @josepolanco1228
      @josepolanco1228 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Kaityscichlids subscribed to your channel

    • @Kaityscichlids
      @Kaityscichlids  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@josepolanco1228 thank you so much!! 🙏🏼

  • @unusualplants2162
    @unusualplants2162 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just mind boggling 🎉🎉🎉🎉

  • @mayremarichal2018
    @mayremarichal2018 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Espectacular 😊

  • @paulm0573
    @paulm0573 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This place is so mesmerising I could easily spend a day in there just browsing and admiring every single tank being a work of art! Pity this shop wasn’t in Sydney.

  • @domenicgalati4558
    @domenicgalati4558 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Amazing

  • @mariemir99
    @mariemir99 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love the fish 🐟🐠🐟🐟 I want to try my first planted tank. Watching these videos helps me learn all the different kinds of nano fish. Love the forktail Blue eyes.

  • @surajmehta9939
    @surajmehta9939 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi kaity.. i am also a aquascaper and i like your hobby so much..🥰👌🏻

  • @roohollahyeylaghiashrafi7095
    @roohollahyeylaghiashrafi7095 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So exciting 😊

  • @AlphonzohTheDove
    @AlphonzohTheDove 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The fact that I walked in on you filming this with Ross made my day, wish I could've said hi but you were busy :)

    • @Kaityscichlids
      @Kaityscichlids  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That is so cool!! Definitely say hi next time, I'm never too busy :)

    • @AlphonzohTheDove
      @AlphonzohTheDove 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Kaityscichlids so happy you replied! Can't believe you got to meet the King of DIY, hope to show you photos of my tanks one day :)
      Love your African Cichlids, keep making fun videos so that more people join the hobby 💜

    • @Kaityscichlids
      @Kaityscichlids  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@AlphonzohTheDove thank you SO much 😊❤️❤️ You will definitely have to show me! I've certainly been very lucky that other content creators like Joey have been so generous and encouraging

    • @AlphonzohTheDove
      @AlphonzohTheDove 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Kaityscichlids I've watched him for almost 7 years and he's to blame for my obsession with flowerhorns and Oscars. I watched him succeed from being a much smaller creator and I'm so confident that it won't be long before I get to watch you reach a million!
      Keep creating, need a collab with MD fish tanks some day please!! 🙏😊

  • @matthewlangley9221
    @matthewlangley9221 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Amazing! How he can keep tanks that pristine while moving stock I’d love to know!

  • @billmeyer4773
    @billmeyer4773 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wait till that lace plant flowers and they are beautiful.

  • @AguabonitaAquatics
    @AguabonitaAquatics 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is the best looking store that has been presented online; some unique and beautifully maintained displays with a realistic natural look, plants everywhere, inhabitants are breeding, organized, tidy, and all tanks are kept as comfortable homes for their inhabitants, even if temporary. I'm with Ross on the philosophy that every tank needs a natural aesthetic. The only improvement I can see, is to ditch the potted plants, especially those in plastic cups or replace with containers that have a more chaotic, natural feel: hand made pottery in irregular shapes, slate, stone anything but a round, man-made pot. Even without this change, I'd say this store trumps Ocean Aquarium in San Francisco, which I thought was the coolest fish store on the planet in that it is significantly more organized, tidier and inviting. A very inspiring store; makes me want to quit my day job and live the dream!

    • @arcyaquariums6393
      @arcyaquariums6393 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks for the feedback on the pots and the kind words about my store. The potted plants are for sale so have to be kept at a price point that work for the customer unfortunately otherwise I’d have them in natural made with timber hollows etc

    • @AguabonitaAquatics
      @AguabonitaAquatics 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@arcyaquariums6393 Makes sense. Not a lot of room for improvement. Well done!

  • @brianjones1282
    @brianjones1282 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow, that place looks amazing. I love plants and that place looks so beautiful. I would feel like just sitting in there and have a picnic or something.

  • @aquarium.talktv
    @aquarium.talktv 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome video!!! This store is so unique !! It gives like a home fish room vibe. I love it. Soooo… when I come to Australia…. You taking me here?! 😂. Awesome video Kaity!!!

  • @touchthesun2448
    @touchthesun2448 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Pathos is great, I have tons of it going crazy here. My newest plant is Monstera, you should try it! There are lots of house plants that do well in tanks. When I do a water change, I put the old water in my garden.

    • @Kaityscichlids
      @Kaityscichlids  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Oooo I do love Monsteras! They are gorgeous

  • @stephenpearce5462
    @stephenpearce5462 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    enjoy full video Kaity

  • @sheikhshakib55
    @sheikhshakib55 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So many beauty so little time to see

  • @shaynacossette
    @shaynacossette 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What a wonderful tour and so many amazing tanks! Did you have a particular favourite?

  • @Arlcuts
    @Arlcuts 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow look how clean every tank is. Amazing from Charlotte NC USA! I only have a 125 and its a daily battle to keep nice. Great job for this store and a warm thanks for sharing.

  • @Fyreblade2000
    @Fyreblade2000 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi Kaity, I hope you're well? I really enjoyed this episode thank you!!!

  • @softaco3088
    @softaco3088 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That Chonky pug haha

  • @LA61582
    @LA61582 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    very cool fishstore tours love your videos nice job kaity

  • @SarahSmith-wx9ky
    @SarahSmith-wx9ky 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    inspired

  • @SoHoundHouse
    @SoHoundHouse 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    More than the Great Barrier Reef, Uluru, Sydney Opera House, Bondi, and Tasmania, it's these fish spots and their curators that I'd visit first if I ever made it to Oz. You're all so magical! Thanks & love from Liverpool.

    • @Kaityscichlids
      @Kaityscichlids  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hahaha, that is awesome! And so true 🤣 When I went to New York I visited an aquarium and pet store before I visited Central Park (that was just for leftover time lol)

  • @IronTiger84
    @IronTiger84 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video Kaity‼️ You always manage to tour the coolest LFS 🐟🐠😎❗️It really does seem like a giant fish room and has many similarities to Adrian’s place

  • @RochLachapelle
    @RochLachapelle 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You said crazy he said oh my God. Oh my god that's the craziest fish store i've ever seen .imaculate

  • @billmeyer4773
    @billmeyer4773 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice video tour as usual 👌

    • @Kaityscichlids
      @Kaityscichlids  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you Bill 😊🙏🏼

  • @Cereal87Killer
    @Cereal87Killer 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    awesome store...wish we had one here like that in usa :(

  • @ashwinikumar6413
    @ashwinikumar6413 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ❤❤❤

  • @stevmstng5165
    @stevmstng5165 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice

  • @Sensationalaquariums
    @Sensationalaquariums 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm in usa kaity I have to say you have some really cool Fish stores in Australia

  • @dudusiagata3117
    @dudusiagata3117 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Witam serdecznie dziękuję za pokazanie pozdrawiam z Polski miłego dnia życzę

    • @Kaityscichlids
      @Kaityscichlids  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Greetings from Australia!! Thank you, I hope you have a lovely day too 😊🙏🏼

  • @AquaOne1
    @AquaOne1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The prices I see there are pretty expensive, compared to Germany. I am sure, its because Australia is so seperated and a small market et all.

    • @arcyaquariums6393
      @arcyaquariums6393 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Australia is a very expensive country to live in unfortunately. Many fish prices are expensive because we cannot import many species of fish and can only rely on what’s bred here in our country, fish that can be imported have to be quarantined 2 weeks in country of origin and 1 week on arrival in our country which drives the end cost up unfortunately

    • @AquaOne1
      @AquaOne1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@arcyaquariums6393 yes, I thought so.

    • @AquaOne1
      @AquaOne1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@arcyaquariums6393 when I remember it right, the Endler Guppy Japan Blue Was about 15$ there?
      Here in Germany about 5€, what would be 8,25 Australian Dollar.

    • @AquaOne1
      @AquaOne1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@arcyaquariums6393 but your shop really looks fantastic. Keep up the good work.

    • @arcyaquariums6393
      @arcyaquariums6393 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thankyou. It’s growing well. Exchange rates are not really an accurate way to measure though. The cost of power, water, rents l, wages and taxes would have to all be taken account as well. Australia will never be an exporter due to the costs to exist in this country

  • @-AndrewR
    @-AndrewR 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    👍🏻👍🏻

  • @MrJeff0163
    @MrJeff0163 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey mate, just wondering where you got your tanks from? Cheers

    • @arcyaquariums6393
      @arcyaquariums6393 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi Jeff,
      All sales tanks in store were built in store. 😊

  • @markvanderwal8103
    @markvanderwal8103 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Noticed that a lot of his displays are AIO. I also noticed he had matten filter foam in an empty waterbox AIO for sale? I'd love to know how they run/modify those AIO's. I imagine the matten foam keeps the nano fish and shrimp out of the filter compartment.

    • @arcyaquariums6393
      @arcyaquariums6393 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi Mark,
      What do you mean by modifying them? I run matten filter in what would be close to 90% of my aquariums

    • @markvanderwal8103
      @markvanderwal8103 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi @@arcyaquariums6393 , at 21 minutes into the video there's a waterbox with what looks like a matten in the back? And the lace plant cube looks like it has one in an AIO config as well. Was just curious if you did anything special there. Thx.

    • @arcyaquariums6393
      @arcyaquariums6393 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nothing special, it’s just a stock standard tank that’s made in store to sell. The lace plant tank is setup so customers can see one that’s running

  • @reidnorton6794
    @reidnorton6794 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was wondering just last night if those flamingo plants are supposed to stay tiny and then I see he has a huge one. Mine must be super slow growing or possibly the shrinking kind.

  • @Ayj517
    @Ayj517 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bucephalandra akvaryumumda bakmak istediğim bitki türlerinden biri. Bitkiler ve gelişimleri çok güzel.

    • @Kaityscichlids
      @Kaityscichlids  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's so beautiful! 🌿

  • @mastikhor91
    @mastikhor91 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    nice

  • @Freddy-ep4mo
    @Freddy-ep4mo 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ❤😘

  • @magwarblood
    @magwarblood 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What light are they on the bowls please ??????

    • @arcyaquariums6393
      @arcyaquariums6393 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      They’re bioscape 5w led clip on lights

    • @magwarblood
      @magwarblood 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@arcyaquariums6393 thank you

  • @Pearl_Gt
    @Pearl_Gt 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can you name of all the fishes except bosmani rainbows ?

  • @fishmunga1014
    @fishmunga1014 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Quality natural looking set-ups.

    • @Kaityscichlids
      @Kaityscichlids  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They are gorgeous!!

  • @KOVAIMRKREALESTATE
    @KOVAIMRKREALESTATE 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is seachem matrix biological media good?
    Looking for my 400ltr arowana tank.

  • @joeyeats2801
    @joeyeats2801 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    $280 and $400 for baby Bichers is crazy expensive. In the states they are $15

  • @AquaOne1
    @AquaOne1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hey Kaity. One dumb question.How tall are you?

    • @Kaityscichlids
      @Kaityscichlids  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I'm 5'7 😊

    • @AquaOne1
      @AquaOne1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Kaityscichlids you cann tell m and cm. I am german :) But thanks.

    • @Kaityscichlids
      @Kaityscichlids  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@AquaOne1 omg 🤣 I'm using to converting to the US system for people. I'm 169cm

  • @andreashessler838
    @andreashessler838 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is he running CO2? Amazing buce growth if he isn't. It's realatively inexpensive here now (about 3 good size pots for around a tenner).
    I can remember when it first came into the hobby and it cost you that for one tiny plant.

    • @Kaityscichlids
      @Kaityscichlids  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes I believe he's running CO2 on a lot of his tanks!

    • @0action847
      @0action847 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Buce cost a fair bit here in Australia but the Lace plant very expensive.

  • @RanSam14sa
    @RanSam14sa 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    kaity you are pretty 🙃🙃

  • @DEVIL-ml4tz
    @DEVIL-ml4tz 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    any one from dubbo😂😂😂

  • @hooch6381
    @hooch6381 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    👀😬❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️☮️

  • @chaiwatpotichanid
    @chaiwatpotichanid 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Just kupchak market fish eat market fish beautiful tall biggest outside to people love Anymon trees foods would have what they Luther heard relying updates life your large people penalty beat just ho my God natural ka ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

  • @sirwilliam7988
    @sirwilliam7988 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The tank starting at 4:12 is absolutely incredible. The Rainbow fish look amazing. I’ve never actually seen them before. Do you happy to have any information on them? Like, where are they from? I’m not sure I’ve ever seen them in the US. Of course, all of the tanks were a work of art. Thank you so much Kaity for the tour.

    • @Kaityscichlids
      @Kaityscichlids  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'm so glad you enjoyed it!! And that tank is my absolute favourite too. They are called Boesemani rainbow fish, but these ones are particularly large ones. I think he has had them for quite a while