@@typezero8929 you can get picks that are like the ones from the genesis set for the covert companion, but other than that no. The genesis set is full sized picks (and turning tools) not meant to fit into the covert companion.
Exactly. You know, people could even live with the inconvenience of the non standard key:"Cool, it means it will be a real pain in the ass for a thief!". But when they discover you just need a rake to open the lock, all the initial frustration, then become serendipity, it turns into rage! 😄
You know, I showed one key cutting shop this exact smart lock, and their reaction was basically "nope, can't cut a key for this." So yeah. Honestly I wasn't planning to use the key anyway and having the keyhole is basically having an open security hole anyway. Are there any good smart locks which _don't_ come with an obvious, pickable back door?
Reminds me of dash cam products. Garbage camera with garbage processing and you pay $300 for it to have a half decent gyroscope for crash detection and GPS speed recording
Most of that comes down to them being tech companies. They know how to make decent tech, electronics and so on, but they never consult someone that is an expert on actual locks. These companies probably dont care that much about the actual lock, in their eyes it is just a backup, that is more or less never going to be used and why spend money on that. In most cases, they probably just buy some off the shelf cheap lock mechanism and slap it on their tech product.
But they didn't here. They went to some lengths to make a *unique* lock - a cheap one would fit the normal keys. They put effort into making a worse lock than anyone else.
@@DanStaal I want to look into it personally, but I'm not so sure it's a "unique" lock. My guess is that it's a cheap core common to the Chinese market (where I believe eufy is based) and they didn't bother to check to see if it would cause problems in the US market (and other markets potentially)
I'm not even sure it's technically that cheap in this case, as they seemingly went out of their way to make a lock that fits a nonstandard key which surely would push up the price of production due to lower volumes?
Eufy's choice of key reminds me of DRM on video games; inconveniences legitimate users, while doing virtually nothing to actually stop people who have ill intent.
Pretty much, boot up and authentication issues? Nah, publishers need to keep using that DRM because the first 5 hours of a game release are the most important lol.
This, for real. Pirates always crack the games in a few hours to a few days anyway, so why can't they just remove the DRM after that? It's totally just like this lock, actively worse for legitimate users while ultimately easier and better on those skirting the system entirely
@@JohnSmith-xv1tp I bet for how much gamers complain about DRM, if they had the option to buy a game for $17 with DRM or $20 without it, they'd mostly pick with DRM.
Locksmith here. I have come across these keys before, from a couple different cheap manufacturers. I have missed the different head before, and when it came back, i noticed it was a KW1 with a Schlege head. Once i recut it, i noticed that when i shoulder stopped it, the blade came short of the new blank. Shoulder stopping is standard in my area, as it guarantees that even if the key is shorter, you will notice because it will cut off most of the tip. After which, one can file/grind off the remaining finger below the chuck. The only way this could be an issue is if the key is code cut and not compared. I could see some newer locksmiths missing that (i was there). It is good to spread the knowledge of the different heads, as that is a pain, but having a shorter key shouldn't make a difference as long as the locksmith is competent.
LPL: *Going into long detail of the awful frustrations you'll have trying to get a key properly cut for this Eufy lock* LPL: So anyway we're using a wave rake for this 👍
You just watched how to use the wave rake, it is only 5 seconds to open, and looks like the most basic attack you can do to a lock that doesn’t have a hole for a wire.
Bloody hell, I knew exactly what this video was about right when I saw the title. As someone who works in a Frattallone's hardware store, I ran into this EXACT same issue a couple weeks ago. Customer brought keys in to be cut earlier in the morning, was cut a set of four SC1s and sent on her way. She came back later that evening while I was there and said her keys didn't work on her lock. She figured the were too thick, so I thought, "Oh, maybe she needs some SC9s instead!" (They're a tiny bit on the thinner side and have a slightly altered keyway.) So I inspected them and noticed the grooves were the complete opposite way around from a standard Schlage keyway. I then asked her what the keys go to and that's when she described her Eufy smart lock. (Same model and all.) Thankfully I compared her keys carefully against my KW1 blanks before I cut any and noticed the length difference. Though I think I might've used WR5 blanks in my case? Can't remember. We refunded her for three of her SC1s and just swapped the fourth with whatever I cut for her. She was nice enough about it after I explained what had happened, though! Haven't seen her or the key I cut for her since. :P But in any case, it's hugely frustrating for both parties. For one, it heavily inconveniences the customer. Besides having a nonstandard lock with an obscure (and insecure) keyway, it means they have to burn gas driving back and forth between home and the location they had their keys cut if the discrepancy isn't caught. AND it makes the vendor look bad. But even if the vendor catches the discrepancy, there's still a reasonable chance they may not know how to replicate the key, and the customer goes home empty handed (and possibly furious) anyways. I could see the justification for a nonstandard keyway on a smart lock if it offered a higher degree of security, but being wave-raked open is just not acceptable. Many thanks to you, LPL. Most of my lock and key knowledge comes from your videos, and it's been invaluable help with my job! Cheers.
Since you work there: why do people want more keys for such a lock? I thought you would install a lock like this, install the app and save / set codes and then put the keys in a locker somewhere or not even that but chuck them in a drawer somewhere. /?
@@elvinhaak Mostly they get keys copied for their kids for when they come home on the bus, which really should be a non-issue for smart locks since A) they should know the keypad combination, and B) I think the Eufy locks in particular come with a set of 4 keys.
Points for "working at Frattalone's" (great people at all five different Frattalone's I've been to)... ...for those who don't know, Frattalone's is a Twin Cities, Minnesota local hardware store chain...not HomedLowes or Walbor Freigmart, GOOD hardware stores... ...sadly, however, like the rest of the mass market stores that sell locks, nothing really special, and then, they have MasterLocks... ...I didn't see any Kwikset with "Beyond Maximum Security", though, and no HyperTough anywhere 😊
It is not the first time I hear the Eufy name. Then I recalled the controversy Eufy had with Linus Sebastian here on YT, who pulled out of the sponsorship he had with Eufy. This happened because an Eufy camera promised maximum privacy, while Linus discovered that this door camera was uploading the pictures to a server in China. Not surprised they made an unsecure lock with a non - copyable key. Thank you LPL for all the enlightenment about security, that you provide to all your subscribers. Greetings, Anthony
Yup, Eufy is owned by Anker....they are trash. While their Anker products are actually pretty high quality, I wouldn't recommend purchasing them just to make a point to Anker that they can't also have brands like Eufy that are totally garbage. Eufy directly lied about how they were handling customer data...then got called out...and KEPT LYING.
I used to have a HUAWEI smartphone. When I discovered how corrupt and unethical the makers and their country were I ditched it and bought a more reputable brand. It is also probably made in china but at least there is no suggestion the company spies on people.
even LTT was sadden by it that they had to drop Anker just cause of Eufy despite having good experiences with Anker themselves and their products (Anker only).
I used to work for Ace for 5 years and honestly things like this were fairly common. I used to manually file down keys that had too long and once I realized they were fairly common I was always on the lookout for things like this. A first time buyer really should be told things like this and I am glad you are around to do so! The average employee won't be on the lookout for keys like this for sure.
I also worked at an Ace for 5 years and instantly noticed the blade was a KW1 too. I've had to file down the ends to adjust the length. Stuff like this is unfortunately more common than people realize.
I’ve had a few copies done at a local Home Depot and I noticed the last few times that the guy making the keys compared them to the old key when he was done to make sure the sizing was right, and shaved down every part that didn’t perfectly line up.
To be fair, nobody should buy THIS lock. I also saw how master compares keys, i had this idea that his replica was very imperfect, so he filed it. And yes, sometimes key was just jamming or spinning freely and not opening.
And they are nice enough to include four non-destructive ways to open it. The easiest being: Look at the number pad and copy the possible patterns based on fingerprints on that nice glossy touchscreen!
Eufy has been under fire in the tech/smart home space recently for streaming unencrypted video from “smart” cameras in people homes to anyone who can guess the link, and lying about it in their marketing. So this lock is basically par for their course.
I remember Hikvision also does this (allowing token link fraud with cameras), but you can install a password, but this is very cumbersome and done only through official apps or webpages which are full of "google translate".
@@rynn_3988 Because YT focuses on delivering ads for scam products and minimises their investment in bot filters. Their #1 filter is for remote links making you leave YT.
Just imagine at the company pitch for this lock… “So we are going to have a key for this lock that isn’t available anywhere else on the market and takes extremely long to make a duplicate of.” “Ah I see, that must mean that it would be more secure than your average lock on the market, right?” “Well…”
That doesn't true. For all the years that LPL has been wave-racking shit locks those corporations don't seem to improve their locks. I think it would take a series of class action law suits to start to move the needle on this.
It's too bad. Eufy kinda started out decent. I have one of their robovacs from YEARS ago, pre-wifi smart everything. Just a plain old bump-around-your-house robovac... The damn thing refuses to die, and eufy still sells oem parts for it often at a cheaper cost than the 3rd party stuff on ebay/amazon. I am honestly so happy with that dang vacuum. Couldn't recommend it more. It's got thousands of runs on it and just keeps chugging. But it seems like anything that is an IoT device, or connects to the cloud is right out. Same with anything that is even remotely a security product. And they've shifted heavily to being an IoT and Security company.
@@nasonguy Yup. I've got one of those vacs too, and it's indestructible (provided a bit of maintenance and the occasionally replaced "consumable" like the wipe brushes). Dumb as a box of rock, but just keeps on bumbling about doing it's thing. However, yeah - they've really killed their credibility recently, both in quality and "spyware".
@@penfold7800 It's just for backup. It's expected you'll never use the keyhole, so a wave rake for backup is fine. I have a keypad lock, and I'm the only one with the key. No one else even wants to carry a key, and they use the backdoor keypad if the front doesn't work.
That's not so uncommon. I challenge my friends to choose a random lock from my lock box and then find the right key in that same box and open the lock faster than I can pick it. I usually win the beer.
I manage an Ace and I always tell my associates to check the key on our key finder before cutting anything for this exact reason. We see a lot of odd keys come through here, mostly from the old locksmith that used to be next door. They made their own custom keys that would look like an SC1 but we’re actually KW1 and so on. Don’t know why they did that, but years later we still find those keys floating around.
When LPL said "let's see what it takes to get this open," I was like "if he grabs a wave rake instead of a lockpick after ALL OF THAT for the keys, I am going to lose my mind." I think I might literally have a psychotic break if you showed me how easy this was to pick if I had just gone through the ringer trying to get keys made.
I had a laughing fit when I saw him pulling out the rake. It's just like one of these jokes with super elaborate setup and a really lame punch line to really rub in the time wasted
Well... at least he didn't pull out a magnet... or a piss hammer... or a piece of an aluminum can... or o twig... or his fist either to punch or slap it open.
It's even better, once you get a bit tech savvy you can even get to watch through the camera of every Eufy lock/doorbell in the neighbourhood (or city/country/world). And since they also use facial recognition and assigns everyone a unique ID, you'll also be able to set up alerts to track anyone caught on a Eufy camera anywhere in the world (that has a Eufy camera) if you want to.
As someone who has cut many thousands of keys, for an uncountable number of different keyways, I have encountered these situations plenty of times. I learned early on, to always check that the keyways matched before you cut, and always double check that the profiles match after you are done cutting. So many times, I had customers with non-standard length keys, and I would have to either shave the end down (like with your key) or shave the shoulders back.
While I don't have THAT level of experience, I can absolutely attest to this. I've seen people bring in some weirdo keys that look like Schlages but are KW1s. Even when you think you're sure you're picking out the right blank, you better make damn sure.
I'm pretty sure that was a fluke. Dude forgot his own format. 😂 But for real... I love your channel and content. Thanks for the years of entertainment and education.
I was laughing about the keys and figured he’d show it was vulnerable to “easy” picking anyways….but then he pulled out the rake I instantly went “oh snap…you’re kidding”. That is just negligence of the company right there.
@@Tfin which happened with the irobot robot vacuum as the company used the company scale ai to handle the data the robot vacs take and there was a case where a woman was on the toilet and the irobot vac entered the bathroom on its route captured photos of her sitting on the toilet and a group of workers at scale ai ended up posting the photos on facebook among themselves. This was covered online a few months back.
@@Tfin considering that it doesn't have a camera, I'm not very worried about that. It is the simplest one around, with bumpers that make it turn around, and a drop off sensor.
I was our professional locksmith at the hardware store I worked at for 6 years and had to cut non-standard keys like the kind used on this lock on occasion. It only takes a few more seconds to look carefully at the key and shave it down if needed. It saves both you and the customer the headache of recuts later.
I’ve liked this smart lock “series”. Seeing so many cheap Amazon smart locks being installed on homes and especially Airbnb’s all with their own singular one bad thing has been frustrating as a lock guy and hopefully this helps shed some light on them.
You might want to consider replacing the doorbell as well. They recently got caught uploading all the videos from their cameras to a chinese server completely unencrypted and making them publicly accessible without any kind of password or other security despite claiming that they hosted everything locally and didn't upload anything to the cloud.
After that story about getting a key, I was just like "Use a wave rake. Use a wave rake!" and then he pulled out a wave rake xD My enjoyment was immeasurable and my day is complete. Thank you.
This is why I prefer the August Smart lock. It just replaces the inside and then you can still choose a better lock for the outside or even go completely keyless.
It's been 30 years since I was cutting keys in the local hardware store during college, and the first thing that popped into my head when I saw that key was "Oh, that's a Schlage SC1."
Speaking of keys that are almost but not quite using a standard blank, those "minute key" automated kiosks in places like Walmart entryways can sometimes create keys that lock places can't duplicate. We got our weird gate keys duped that way after our local lock place couldn't do it.
I'm a locksmith. Knowing this information, I would cut the duplicate key using tip registration rather than the standard shoulder registration. Still, that being said, I wholly agree with your assesment of these keys. Eufy equipment also does not play well with other home integration products. I had their doorbell for awhile. The doorbell did not alert visitors that were fast moving, such as delivery drivers, did a lot of falsing, and would not integrate into my home automation system. Thank you for your great review.
Oh! I don't even own this lock and I can feel the rage building up inside of me over that key. Such an informative video. You should do a whole series of videos on locks.... You seem to know what you're talking about.... 😂😂😂. Thanks LPL for all you do.
When you get to the point where he's ready to pick it and you see that there's only 10 seconds left short of the ending.... You can just hear the crowd chant "wave rake wave rake wave rake"
Wow. LPL seems to be so upset with them he didn't even do the "...once more, to show that it wasn't a fluke..." repeat raking. I think that's the first time this has happened, and will ensure that 'Eufy' is a name I don't do business with.
The more I read into them, the more I realize that smart locks and their respective companies seem to be more dumb than smart... I'll stick to the analog locks that you personally suggest! They seem to have a sense or stability that nothing else does.
That's why I will never trust "smart" things that otherwise have absolutely no business connecting to a wifi in the first place. Not only wave rake, crowbar, or mallet still work on them, but hackers may try to lock me in. Double points if you are in an area where the electricity isn't reliable and still prone to have brownouts or blackouts.
I wouldn't worry too much about getting insanely pick-proof door locks anyways. Most theives are going to take the path of least resistance. Doors locked? Windows locked? Most theives aren't even going to bother at that point unless they know for sure something insanely valuable is inside. They'll just hit a house that isn't locked. If they're determined to get in, I can almost guarantee you they're not carrying lockpicks. They'll kick in the door or bust a window.
A lot of "smart" things are just ways to extremely cheap, garbage tier electronic product makers to sell stuff at high price points to the uninformed. Its practically predatory.
im starting to be able to pretty confidently recognize what kind of picking LPL will do before the tools come into play .i guess thats what a thousand episodes will do
@@ragnkja iirc it was something about storing user camera data in the cloud despite one of their main selling points being that they don't store anything in the cloud
@@ragnkja They marketed their cameras as 100% offline, and it turned out they not only send pictures and videos to their server, but they also did not encrypt them and it was possible to access videos from other cameras without an account. To put the icing on the cake they lied about it, then said people should have assumed that's how it worked, and never apologized
Another awesome breakdown. I can't live without my LPL vids, even though I never intend to ever pick a lock (Although the wave rake method might be for me!).
I was like "Oh what happens if he pulls out the wave rake after all this?", they made this key such a pain to get duplicated, only for it to be pickable by a 10 year old.
To be fair, the manufacturer thought ahead and realised that if they make the lock childishly simple to rake, then the lack of being able to get keys cut will not matter
My apartments just replaced all the locks in our building with MiLocks DF-02. If I had one to send you, but I'd love to see you review it so I either feel safer or show them why it was a bad idea.
In a similar vein, there's a garage door lock that has a key that's very similar to the Schlage format. It's just a slight bit narrower. Or at least normally is. Apparently if you push hard enough, things can be made to fit. The pins are also slightly offset which nearly had me cursing a guy who had 3d printable designs for key-nibbling until I worked out it was the key, not the guides.
Waverake and always carry photo ID in case someone gets shitty with you and you'll still be going through less effort than the bullshit it takes to get a proper key cut for the thing
Eufy is also a company that lied in their marketing and were unfortunately doing the exact opposite of what they said they were offering in terms of privacy. Linus Tech Tips did a whole discussion about in one of their wan show podcasts. Even went as far as to cut ties with the parent company Anker who was a major sponsor for them.
It makes me think they were trying to create a situation where the customer would feel required to order spares through the mail from them, rather than being able to go anywhere else. Is there a code included in the package that gives the key bitting?
Why would you want spare keys for a lock that you bought specifically to not need to use a key? The only real purpose of the key is if the lock battery is dead or the electronics fail and you have no secondary way into your home. So I'm not sure why you would need more than the two keys it comes with except in extraordinarily rare circumstances.
@@reav3rtm I didn't say that it had good security - my point is that a complaint that keys are hard to copy doesn't matter (and in some ways would improve security if the lock weren't so easy to defeat by raking).
Hey man. You’ve been a major source of entertainment for a number of years. And since you’ve started selling hardware through CI , im also a very happy customer. I know you don’t recommend locks etc. officially which I totally understand. However, you’ve also gained a considerable amount of trust through your videos. I was curious if you’ve considered a “LPL Rating” type of system for locks. While an official recommendation would not be a wise idea for liability purposes, a rating may work. Something like; Difficulty Score Legend; 1-thoughtless 2 - not difficult 3 - difficult 4 - very difficult 5 - extremely difficult For different categories of attacks like cutting, picking, raking, hooking etc.. Great videos! Thanks
He's a lawyer, so he knows full well that people would sue him if he recommended something and then they got ripped off. So, I'd be surprised if he went this route...
OH MY GOODNESS! I just had this similar situation with a client who bought a house with a Smolet brand electronic deadbolt. The client sent a picture of the key, which APPEARED to be a KW1. When I arrived and got into the rekey, I discovered that the keyway was NOT a KW1, but similar to a Y1. I say similar because I had to do the exact same thing and cut the blade shorter to make a Y1 key work. Something to note, this Smolet lock had smaller-than-standard pins, so my repinning kit was useless. I had to rearrange the pins in the existing lock to create a new bitting. It worked, but I had to explain that the rest of the locks in the house couldn't be matched to this non-North American key.
Kw1 keys are shoulder stop keys, so they align with the pins when the shoulder sits flush against the lock face. Key machines line up the same way to cut the keys. It would be easy to line the key up using the tip instead of the shoulder and then the machine should cut the key with the correct spacing. Then, the person operating the machine should line up the keys and confirm visually the new key has the correct spacing, as they should everytime they cut new keys
I have my own key cutter, and found that if I line up the tip of the new key with the tip of the original, then odd-length keys are not a problem at all.
Hi mate. Thanks for all your informative videos. I was wondering if you could do a set of videos that show the best of the best in both door locks and padlocks. It is hard for someone like me who watches your videos religiously to work out what is a good unit, when you break out a wave rake and bang its open haha. Cheers Marty
So they made a non standard key but looks like a standard key, that you cannot find a easy way to replicate, unless you buy from them(i imagine) and spend more money with them, made all this effort with all electronic features, only to be defeated by some of the lowest skill attack. I know nothing about the locks industry, but I can say I am impressed. it's like that image from internet, where you have a gate for an open area, but there is no fence.
All chinese locks are like this. There is no standard for how keys are shaped there and there's no expectation of getting keys copied. That said, someone would have to be a fool to buy anything made by Eufy.
I recently replaced the lock cylinder on a sliding patio door. The package advertised that it was compatible with Kwikset keys. I've tried to duplicate the key that came with the lock 3 different times. 1st one wouldn't got in at all, and the other 2 go in part way and get jammed. Super-annoying.
You reminded me of Tim Minchin's song Not Perfect. ...And the weirdest thing is that this house Has locks to keep the baddies out But they're mostly used to lock ourselves in
Is there at least one lock in this universe that *does not suck* ? I saw so many videos of this guy and I now have a lock-sistential crisis. "Why do locks exist if they can be opened by anybody in half a minute?"
Another major problem with keypad locks that LPL didn't mention here is fingerprints and wear patterns on the keypad. If you have a 4 digit combination, the numbers will very quickly show up on the keypad, so anyone looking can see what the digits are. They just have to guess the order, which will take at most 4! (4 factorial), or 24 guesses.
Isn't Eufy also the company that lied about how their security cameras worked (claimed they were never uploaded to their servers and remained local but in actuality they were uploaded unencrypted)?
They never claimed data was never uploaded. They claimed local storage which is 100% true. It's fair to criticize that the data wasn't encrypted, but it's unreasonable to criticize them for uploading data when the user wants notifications with their app/infrastructure.
@@nmos001 They absolutely did claim they never uploaded it, then they said "ok we do upload it for notifications but it's encrypted" and then it was proven they weren't encrypting it either. I'm all for allowing notifications but a security device company that lies to you, gets caught and gives you a new lie should not be trusted for anything ever
@@mattdnewman show me the advertisement that stated that nothing gets uploaded. I keep asking people who make claims like your and all I get is silence. All their advertisements state "local storage" as a feature, which is definitely the case.
@@JordanPlayz158 There are devices around. You'd need to get a blank key (as seen, kinda hard to do for this), but you can make a "disabler key" that will jam up the keyway and can be removed later with tools/the rest of the disabler.
@@ConstantlyDamaged interesting, either disabler key or core replacement like sleeptyper said although, we also don't know about any other exploits, most concerning if I had to guess, would be what sleeptyper said initially, using a strong magnet
Having keys that can't be copied may prevent the flatsharing going out of control in a building. I've seen that in a few buildings in my area. I thought that was dumb at first, but it works; especially in areas where the price of the rent is increasing fast, and apartments end up overcrowded. The only way to get a copy is by contacting the maker of the lock, and only the management of the building can request it. I don't know if that was the intent here though.
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So what you're saying is that if someone buys this Eufy lock, they should pick up a genesis set instead of bothering to have keys cut?
Or the covert companion
@@CreativityNull isn't the genesis set a part of the covert companion?
@@typezero8929 you can get picks that are like the ones from the genesis set for the covert companion, but other than that no. The genesis set is full sized picks (and turning tools) not meant to fit into the covert companion.
This guy gets it
@@CreativityNull ah so i'll buy both
Customer: Asks the locksmith to make a duplicate key for their Eufy smart lock.
Locksmith: Hands them the wave rake and the turner.
Exactly. You know, people could even live with the inconvenience of the non standard key:"Cool, it means it will be a real pain in the ass for a thief!". But when they discover you just need a rake to open the lock, all the initial frustration, then become serendipity, it turns into rage! 😄
And now the “Master Key” is out in the public.
You know, I showed one key cutting shop this exact smart lock, and their reaction was basically "nope, can't cut a key for this." So yeah. Honestly I wasn't planning to use the key anyway and having the keyhole is basically having an open security hole anyway. Are there any good smart locks which _don't_ come with an obvious, pickable back door?
The amount of companies that just slap a cheap lock onto an otherwise expensive product is embarrassing
Reminds me of dash cam products. Garbage camera with garbage processing and you pay $300 for it to have a half decent gyroscope for crash detection and GPS speed recording
Most of that comes down to them being tech companies.
They know how to make decent tech, electronics and so on, but they never consult someone that is an expert on actual locks.
These companies probably dont care that much about the actual lock, in their eyes it is just a backup, that is more or less never going to be used and why spend money on that.
In most cases, they probably just buy some off the shelf cheap lock mechanism and slap it on their tech product.
But they didn't here. They went to some lengths to make a *unique* lock - a cheap one would fit the normal keys.
They put effort into making a worse lock than anyone else.
@@DanStaal I want to look into it personally, but I'm not so sure it's a "unique" lock. My guess is that it's a cheap core common to the Chinese market (where I believe eufy is based) and they didn't bother to check to see if it would cause problems in the US market (and other markets potentially)
I'm not even sure it's technically that cheap in this case, as they seemingly went out of their way to make a lock that fits a nonstandard key which surely would push up the price of production due to lower volumes?
Eufy's choice of key reminds me of DRM on video games; inconveniences legitimate users, while doing virtually nothing to actually stop people who have ill intent.
Pretty much, boot up and authentication issues? Nah, publishers need to keep using that DRM because the first 5 hours of a game release are the most important lol.
At least video game copy-protection is intentionally serving a purpose, albeit heavily-misguided.
This is just garden-variety ineptitude.
This, for real. Pirates always crack the games in a few hours to a few days anyway, so why can't they just remove the DRM after that? It's totally just like this lock, actively worse for legitimate users while ultimately easier and better on those skirting the system entirely
nah, this lock actuates smoothly. it'd have the jam for a fraction of a second every time you used it to by like DRM
@@JohnSmith-xv1tp I bet for how much gamers complain about DRM, if they had the option to buy a game for $17 with DRM or $20 without it, they'd mostly pick with DRM.
Locksmith here. I have come across these keys before, from a couple different cheap manufacturers. I have missed the different head before, and when it came back, i noticed it was a KW1 with a Schlege head. Once i recut it, i noticed that when i shoulder stopped it, the blade came short of the new blank. Shoulder stopping is standard in my area, as it guarantees that even if the key is shorter, you will notice because it will cut off most of the tip. After which, one can file/grind off the remaining finger below the chuck. The only way this could be an issue is if the key is code cut and not compared. I could see some newer locksmiths missing that (i was there). It is good to spread the knowledge of the different heads, as that is a pain, but having a shorter key shouldn't make a difference as long as the locksmith is competent.
LPL: *Going into long detail of the awful frustrations you'll have trying to get a key properly cut for this Eufy lock*
LPL: So anyway we're using a wave rake for this 👍
Yep, you know the lock is junk when you see the wave rake.
Lol, yes. Same same.
I literally laughed when he got through the explanation of the weird key and then brought out the rake
Yeah, they could skip the key copys and buy a wave rake... Universal key to any eufy lock.
@@johnofthenorth6653 🤣👍
So on the third trip the locksmith sells you a wave rake and teaches you how to use it. Neat.
You just watched how to use the wave rake, it is only 5 seconds to open, and looks like the most basic attack you can do to a lock that doesn’t have a hole for a wire.
@@jfftck whoosh
@@jfftck There was a double core lock that was even easier to open. You just needed a pick to reach past all of the pins and then turn it.
Why you buy smart lock in the begin with? To open it with a key? If you get other access, just super glue it problem solved
Bloody hell, I knew exactly what this video was about right when I saw the title. As someone who works in a Frattallone's hardware store, I ran into this EXACT same issue a couple weeks ago. Customer brought keys in to be cut earlier in the morning, was cut a set of four SC1s and sent on her way. She came back later that evening while I was there and said her keys didn't work on her lock. She figured the were too thick, so I thought, "Oh, maybe she needs some SC9s instead!" (They're a tiny bit on the thinner side and have a slightly altered keyway.)
So I inspected them and noticed the grooves were the complete opposite way around from a standard Schlage keyway. I then asked her what the keys go to and that's when she described her Eufy smart lock. (Same model and all.) Thankfully I compared her keys carefully against my KW1 blanks before I cut any and noticed the length difference. Though I think I might've used WR5 blanks in my case? Can't remember. We refunded her for three of her SC1s and just swapped the fourth with whatever I cut for her. She was nice enough about it after I explained what had happened, though! Haven't seen her or the key I cut for her since. :P
But in any case, it's hugely frustrating for both parties. For one, it heavily inconveniences the customer. Besides having a nonstandard lock with an obscure (and insecure) keyway, it means they have to burn gas driving back and forth between home and the location they had their keys cut if the discrepancy isn't caught. AND it makes the vendor look bad. But even if the vendor catches the discrepancy, there's still a reasonable chance they may not know how to replicate the key, and the customer goes home empty handed (and possibly furious) anyways.
I could see the justification for a nonstandard keyway on a smart lock if it offered a higher degree of security, but being wave-raked open is just not acceptable.
Many thanks to you, LPL. Most of my lock and key knowledge comes from your videos, and it's been invaluable help with my job! Cheers.
Since you work there: why do people want more keys for such a lock? I thought you would install a lock like this, install the app and save / set codes and then put the keys in a locker somewhere or not even that but chuck them in a drawer somewhere. /?
@@elvinhaak Mostly they get keys copied for their kids for when they come home on the bus, which really should be a non-issue for smart locks since A) they should know the keypad combination, and B) I think the Eufy locks in particular come with a set of 4 keys.
Points for "working at Frattalone's" (great people at all five different Frattalone's I've been to)...
...for those who don't know, Frattalone's is a Twin Cities, Minnesota local hardware store chain...not HomedLowes or Walbor Freigmart, GOOD hardware stores...
...sadly, however, like the rest of the mass market stores that sell locks, nothing really special, and then, they have MasterLocks...
...I didn't see any Kwikset with "Beyond Maximum Security", though, and no HyperTough anywhere 😊
@Andy Ruse "stereotypical American" lol. As if families in most other countries are any different.
@@sir_john_hammond in America we “spare no expense” - even on keys.
It is not the first time I hear the Eufy name. Then I recalled the controversy Eufy had with Linus Sebastian here on YT, who pulled out of the sponsorship he had with Eufy. This happened because an Eufy camera promised maximum privacy, while Linus discovered that this door camera was uploading the pictures to a server in China.
Not surprised they made an unsecure lock with a non - copyable key.
Thank you LPL for all the enlightenment about security, that you provide to all your subscribers.
Greetings,
Anthony
I pointed out Linus Tech tips also in my comment.
Yup, Eufy is owned by Anker....they are trash. While their Anker products are actually pretty high quality, I wouldn't recommend purchasing them just to make a point to Anker that they can't also have brands like Eufy that are totally garbage. Eufy directly lied about how they were handling customer data...then got called out...and KEPT LYING.
@@isaackvasager9957 I'm just curious, what do you use instead? As you say, Anker's kinda the best out there, what have you replaced them with?
I used to have a HUAWEI smartphone. When I discovered how corrupt and unethical the makers and their country were I ditched it and bought a more reputable brand. It is also probably made in china but at least there is no suggestion the company spies on people.
even LTT was sadden by it that they had to drop Anker just cause of Eufy despite having good experiences with Anker themselves and their products (Anker only).
I used to work for Ace for 5 years and honestly things like this were fairly common. I used to manually file down keys that had too long and once I realized they were fairly common I was always on the lookout for things like this. A first time buyer really should be told things like this and I am glad you are around to do so! The average employee won't be on the lookout for keys like this for sure.
I also worked at an Ace for 5 years and instantly noticed the blade was a KW1 too. I've had to file down the ends to adjust the length. Stuff like this is unfortunately more common than people realize.
I love going there 🥹
Ace is the place with the helpful hardware folks 🎶 ☺️
I’ve had a few copies done at a local Home Depot and I noticed the last few times that the guy making the keys compared them to the old key when he was done to make sure the sizing was right, and shaved down every part that didn’t perfectly line up.
To be fair, nobody should buy THIS lock. I also saw how master compares keys, i had this idea that his replica was very imperfect, so he filed it. And yes, sometimes key was just jamming or spinning freely and not opening.
Eufy's new slogan: Easier to bypass than to get a replacement key.
And they are nice enough to include four non-destructive ways to open it.
The easiest being: Look at the number pad and copy the possible patterns based on fingerprints on that nice glossy touchscreen!
The question is:
Was the picking fluke or not, since he only did it once?
@@windowsfan95 he only did it once. Definitely a fluke
Eufy has been under fire in the tech/smart home space recently for streaming unencrypted video from “smart” cameras in people homes to anyone who can guess the link, and lying about it in their marketing. So this lock is basically par for their course.
Came here to say this
I remember Hikvision also does this (allowing token link fraud with cameras), but you can install a password, but this is very cumbersome and done only through official apps or webpages which are full of "google translate".
They recently added encryption, though it’s a bit clunky.
Eufy seems to be a company that hates its customers.
@@A-Negative They *said* they weren't sending it at all before though, so anyone who trusts them now is a fool
I haven't been watching much in the past year or two, but I think this is the first time LPL mentions anything about "frustration" for a lock
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Wtf so many yt bots
@@rynn_3988 😔
@@rynn_3988 Because YT focuses on delivering ads for scam products and minimises their investment in bot filters. Their #1 filter is for remote links making you leave YT.
Just imagine at the company pitch for this lock…
“So we are going to have a key for this lock that isn’t available anywhere else on the market and takes extremely long to make a duplicate of.”
“Ah I see, that must mean that it would be more secure than your average lock on the market, right?”
“Well…”
Eufy: no one can get get in if there's no key that fits it. *taps temple*
Cringe
It is, If we are including masterlocks, gun locks and bike locks in the average.
As my grandpa would say, "A lock just keeps honest people out"
Yup back that was back in the days... now, a lock no longer keeps out honest people with LPL wave rake.
Every time the wave rake comes out at LPL, it sends chills down the manufacturer's spine.
That would require them to care about security in the first place.
That doesn't true. For all the years that LPL has been wave-racking shit locks those corporations don't seem to improve their locks.
I think it would take a series of class action law suits to start to move the needle on this.
At least when the tool that he and Bosnian Bill made comes out you know it's a tough lock 😂
They don't Have spines, so they feel nothing.
This same company already received a mouthful from Linus Sebastian of all people.
This is the only lock that DESERVES the wave rake!
"I couldn't find a master to cut keys for it, so I just rake it every time I get home"
I was thinking the same thing, I was happy when I saw him pull out the wave rake.
The key looks like a wave rake with that factory bitting.
I knew it was over when he pulled out the wave rake.
Was kind hoping for the PU mallet tbh
From security cameras that broadcast the recordings to the world, to door locks that can easily be picked, Eufy has you covered!
It's too bad. Eufy kinda started out decent. I have one of their robovacs from YEARS ago, pre-wifi smart everything. Just a plain old bump-around-your-house robovac... The damn thing refuses to die, and eufy still sells oem parts for it often at a cheaper cost than the 3rd party stuff on ebay/amazon.
I am honestly so happy with that dang vacuum. Couldn't recommend it more. It's got thousands of runs on it and just keeps chugging.
But it seems like anything that is an IoT device, or connects to the cloud is right out. Same with anything that is even remotely a security product. And they've shifted heavily to being an IoT and Security company.
@@nasonguy Yup. I've got one of those vacs too, and it's indestructible (provided a bit of maintenance and the occasionally replaced "consumable" like the wipe brushes). Dumb as a box of rock, but just keeps on bumbling about doing it's thing. However, yeah - they've really killed their credibility recently, both in quality and "spyware".
what do u mean broadcasting to the world??
@@dariankoltzer3646 Eufy cameras were uploading supposedly local only video recordings to the cloud even when users had that setting disabled.
Covered with naked pictures of your family in their cubicle.
Eufy is the new oppsie
As he slid the keys out the way, I was chanting "Wave rake! Wave rake!". Thank you LPL for not disappointing, unlike this lock.
That takes "Security by Obscurity" to a whole 'nother, physical level.
Moral of the story: don't bother making spare keys for every lock you own, just buy a covert companion set and a bag of skill or experience
Why bother with keys? Just use a covert companion set for every lock. Bonus points for modifying the keyway so that no key fits.
There isn't much skill involved in using a wave rake...
NO DONT! DONT PICK A LOCK YOU NEED TO RELY ON (Rule:2)
...Rule:1 is Only pick locks that you own or have permission from the owner.
@@penfold7800 It's just for backup. It's expected you'll never use the keyhole, so a wave rake for backup is fine. I have a keypad lock, and I'm the only one with the key. No one else even wants to carry a key, and they use the backdoor keypad if the front doesn't work.
Eufy: we got it…total pick resistance by changing the parameters of the key itself.
LPL: hold my wave rake
Well, beats when he's like, "hold my wave rake while I find a spoon."
But if they hold the wave rake he can't use it to pick lock, that's why it's always hold my beer.
@@darrenfalconer3267 He doesn't need a wave rake his skills are that superb
Hold my turner* (in place)
So it’s quicker to pick the lock than it is to find a key for it 😂
Excellent deduction!
Pity there are places where it's illegal to carry a wave rake with you.
@@TesserId Just put it under your doormat like you would with a spare key (if you were a careless homeowner).
That's not so uncommon. I challenge my friends to choose a random lock from my lock box and then find the right key in that same box and open the lock faster than I can pick it. I usually win the beer.
@@TesserId only illegal if your not doing good things with it.
Thankyou for your work.
I manage an Ace and I always tell my associates to check the key on our key finder before cutting anything for this exact reason. We see a lot of odd keys come through here, mostly from the old locksmith that used to be next door. They made their own custom keys that would look like an SC1 but we’re actually KW1 and so on. Don’t know why they did that, but years later we still find those keys floating around.
Vendor lock-in. Generation of repeat business.
When LPL said "let's see what it takes to get this open," I was like "if he grabs a wave rake instead of a lockpick after ALL OF THAT for the keys, I am going to lose my mind."
I think I might literally have a psychotic break if you showed me how easy this was to pick if I had just gone through the ringer trying to get keys made.
When he said it I said “wave rake”. When he pulled out the rake I actually yelled “Yeeeeeeesss!” I love guessing the picking method.
Don't worry, it was probably a fluke.
Had almost word for word the exact same reaction. You could probably hear me screaming NOOOO when I saw it from outside my apartment
I had a laughing fit when I saw him pulling out the rake. It's just like one of these jokes with super elaborate setup and a really lame punch line to really rub in the time wasted
Well... at least he didn't pull out a magnet... or a piss hammer... or a piece of an aluminum can... or o twig... or his fist either to punch or slap it open.
Eufy so nice they made it so you don't need a key to open it ! That way you don't even need to make copy of your key ! Next level problem solving !
Modern problems require modern solutions. 👍
Just like the video streams for their cameras!
It's even better, once you get a bit tech savvy you can even get to watch through the camera of every Eufy lock/doorbell in the neighbourhood (or city/country/world). And since they also use facial recognition and assigns everyone a unique ID, you'll also be able to set up alerts to track anyone caught on a Eufy camera anywhere in the world (that has a Eufy camera) if you want to.
As someone who has cut many thousands of keys, for an uncountable number of different keyways, I have encountered these situations plenty of times. I learned early on, to always check that the keyways matched before you cut, and always double check that the profiles match after you are done cutting. So many times, I had customers with non-standard length keys, and I would have to either shave the end down (like with your key) or shave the shoulders back.
While I don't have THAT level of experience, I can absolutely attest to this. I've seen people bring in some weirdo keys that look like Schlages but are KW1s. Even when you think you're sure you're picking out the right blank, you better make damn sure.
I'm pretty sure that was a fluke. Dude forgot his own format. 😂
But for real... I love your channel and content. Thanks for the years of entertainment and education.
I came to mention that too hahaha
At this point though he could literally snap and open a lock, and I would still believe he actually did it.
you know lpl is mad at a company when doesn't even do the fluke test lol
Picked my wife's change box for quarters for the laundry machine! Thanks LPL!
That story was a marvelous primer for the shoe drop of the wave rake! I laughed when it came out like I haven't laughed in a while. 😂
I was waiting for him to just pull out a magnet and be done.
Yup, this was for the long time fans 😂
I was laughing about the keys and figured he’d show it was vulnerable to “easy” picking anyways….but then he pulled out the rake I instantly went “oh snap…you’re kidding”. That is just negligence of the company right there.
I wouldn't have been surprised if the blank had worked!
Knowing how Eufy handles data security in their smart cameras, it's no surprise to see them making a lock that can be raked open.
This! People should not be buying ANYTHING from Eufy. Period.
@@jamesstack7237 My little robot sweeper seems to work okay. Gets stuck, occasionally, in an odd corner.
@@sophierobinson2738 Your robot may be uploading images of everything it sees, and they aren't stored securely.
@@Tfin which happened with the irobot robot vacuum as the company used the company scale ai to handle the data the robot vacs take and there was a case where a woman was on the toilet and the irobot vac entered the bathroom on its route captured photos of her sitting on the toilet and a group of workers at scale ai ended up posting the photos on facebook among themselves. This was covered online a few months back.
@@Tfin considering that it doesn't have a camera, I'm not very worried about that. It is the simplest one around, with bumpers that make it turn around, and a drop off sensor.
I was our professional locksmith at the hardware store I worked at for 6 years and had to cut non-standard keys like the kind used on this lock on occasion. It only takes a few more seconds to look carefully at the key and shave it down if needed. It saves both you and the customer the headache of recuts later.
Thank you very much! I've been looking for smart locks with replace my "smart" Kwikset locks and I've been considering Eufy locks
I’ve liked this smart lock “series”. Seeing so many cheap Amazon smart locks being installed on homes and especially Airbnb’s all with their own singular one bad thing has been frustrating as a lock guy and hopefully this helps shed some light on them.
I cut keys. I long ago learned to check the warding and bitting against the original key; I hate when a customer comes back with a bad key.
Excellent information - we have a Eufy doorbell and were actually considering this lock, but not any more!
You might want to consider replacing the doorbell as well. They recently got caught uploading all the videos from their cameras to a chinese server completely unencrypted and making them publicly accessible without any kind of password or other security despite claiming that they hosted everything locally and didn't upload anything to the cloud.
After that story about getting a key, I was just like "Use a wave rake. Use a wave rake!" and then he pulled out a wave rake xD
My enjoyment was immeasurable and my day is complete. Thank you.
This is why I prefer the August Smart lock. It just replaces the inside and then you can still choose a better lock for the outside or even go completely keyless.
Well given what Eufy did with their other security appliances, this should not come as a surprise.
It's been 30 years since I was cutting keys in the local hardware store during college, and the first thing that popped into my head when I saw that key was "Oh, that's a Schlage SC1."
Second thing was, I hope: "Check the keyway and length anyway"
@@noyb7920 Lol, I was a college kid at a chain store. I doubt it would ever even have crossed my mind back then...
Speaking of keys that are almost but not quite using a standard blank, those "minute key" automated kiosks in places like Walmart entryways can sometimes create keys that lock places can't duplicate. We got our weird gate keys duped that way after our local lock place couldn't do it.
I'm a locksmith. Knowing this information, I would cut the duplicate key using tip registration rather than the standard shoulder registration. Still, that being said, I wholly agree with your assesment of these keys.
Eufy equipment also does not play well with other home integration products. I had their doorbell for awhile. The doorbell did not alert visitors that were fast moving, such as delivery drivers, did a lot of falsing, and would not integrate into my home automation system. Thank you for your great review.
I'm happy to see that you still make such good video.
Oh! I don't even own this lock and I can feel the rage building up inside of me over that key. Such an informative video. You should do a whole series of videos on locks.... You seem to know what you're talking about.... 😂😂😂. Thanks LPL for all you do.
3:00 OMG, you did the unthinkable. You didn't say, "I'll do this again to show that it wasn't just a fluke"😜
When you get to the point where he's ready to pick it and you see that there's only 10 seconds left short of the ending.... You can just hear the crowd chant "wave rake wave rake wave rake"
... Now I want to slap a Ford badge on my Tundra. :) I have enjoyed all your videos and find them most instructive and entertaining. Thank you!
Oh god it's the wave rake, its all over now
I was so expecting that wave rake, but it still came out without a warning.
Nice job, LPL. Well done.
I was thinking, initially, a magnet...
@@alopandur That bitting, though. It's begging for a wave rake.
You know it's bad when he pulls out the wave rake.
Wow. LPL seems to be so upset with them he didn't even do the "...once more, to show that it wasn't a fluke..." repeat raking. I think that's the first time this has happened, and will ensure that 'Eufy' is a name I don't do business with.
So... it was a fluke!
2:50 when he breaks out the wave rake I just drop my head in shame. Over $100 for nothing but trouble.
This is great. I really don't trust any locks anymore after watching your videos for years. Thanks LPL for ruining my sense of security!
The more I read into them, the more I realize that smart locks and their respective companies seem to be more dumb than smart...
I'll stick to the analog locks that you personally suggest! They seem to have a sense or stability that nothing else does.
I mean, they are making money. The ones dumb are those who give them money.
That's why I will never trust "smart" things that otherwise have absolutely no business connecting to a wifi in the first place. Not only wave rake, crowbar, or mallet still work on them, but hackers may try to lock me in. Double points if you are in an area where the electricity isn't reliable and still prone to have brownouts or blackouts.
I wouldn't worry too much about getting insanely pick-proof door locks anyways. Most theives are going to take the path of least resistance. Doors locked? Windows locked? Most theives aren't even going to bother at that point unless they know for sure something insanely valuable is inside. They'll just hit a house that isn't locked. If they're determined to get in, I can almost guarantee you they're not carrying lockpicks. They'll kick in the door or bust a window.
A lot of "smart" things are just ways to extremely cheap, garbage tier electronic product makers to sell stuff at high price points to the uninformed. Its practically predatory.
im starting to be able to pretty confidently recognize what kind of picking LPL will do before the tools come into play .i guess thats what a thousand episodes will do
Eufy is super sketchy. What they did with their security cameras caused LTT to drop Anker (their parent company) a sponsor
What did they do?
@@ragnkja iirc it was something about storing user camera data in the cloud despite one of their main selling points being that they don't store anything in the cloud
@@ragnkja They marketed their cameras as 100% offline, and it turned out they not only send pictures and videos to their server, but they also did not encrypt them and it was possible to access videos from other cameras without an account. To put the icing on the cake they lied about it, then said people should have assumed that's how it worked, and never apologized
@@ragnkja sending video footage to server in China without your knowledge/permission. Search on youtube for more details.
@@MCKoolperson9 Nice summary
Another awesome breakdown. I can't live without my LPL vids, even though I never intend to ever pick a lock (Although the wave rake method might be for me!).
I was like "Oh what happens if he pulls out the wave rake after all this?", they made this key such a pain to get duplicated, only for it to be pickable by a 10 year old.
Now I'm not sure if that was a fluke or not!!!
Smart house owners sweating rn
with all the other eufy shit that went on there shouldnt be any owners
At this point I've learned that the only unpickable lock is one that doesn't use a key. And even then it's not guaranteed.
The only smart appliances I want are lights, thermostat, and a Roku.
@DontReadMyProfilePhoto_3I won't.
@@demballage99 unpickable is not what's expected from a lock.
Not-rackeable would already be a huge thing.
Doesn't look like the people who made this lock were smart.
And to add insult to injury, the wave rake makes an appearance :D
I love this eletronics/magnetics/keypad lock vídeos!!👏😃
Please more
picked up the c30 model and ran to walmart to one of those key kiosks and it made it on a schlage blank (similar) and the key works fine
Eufy trolling their own customers more then they do an actual thief trying to break into this thing lmao
To be fair, the manufacturer thought ahead and realised that if they make the lock childishly simple to rake, then the lack of being able to get keys cut will not matter
My apartments just replaced all the locks in our building with MiLocks DF-02. If I had one to send you, but I'd love to see you review it so I either feel safer or show them why it was a bad idea.
In a similar vein, there's a garage door lock that has a key that's very similar to the Schlage format. It's just a slight bit narrower. Or at least normally is. Apparently if you push hard enough, things can be made to fit. The pins are also slightly offset which nearly had me cursing a guy who had 3d printable designs for key-nibbling until I worked out it was the key, not the guides.
after the third trip to the keymaker, I would just add the waverake to my keyring and call it good
Waverake and always carry photo ID in case someone gets shitty with you and you'll still be going through less effort than the bullshit it takes to get a proper key cut for the thing
Eufy is also a company that lied in their marketing and were unfortunately doing the exact opposite of what they said they were offering in terms of privacy. Linus Tech Tips did a whole discussion about in one of their wan show podcasts. Even went as far as to cut ties with the parent company Anker who was a major sponsor for them.
Would love a video of whether it's possible to completely replace the lock mechanism to something more standard
I love LPL's videos so much. They even bring more quality entertainment content than Disney+.
Imagine someone from Eufy watching this, already sweating from the key complaints, and then sees the wave rake.
Dude your videos are all 30% lower volume than other youtube vids. Love your content!
It makes me think they were trying to create a situation where the customer would feel required to order spares through the mail from them, rather than being able to go anywhere else. Is there a code included in the package that gives the key bitting?
Why would you want spare keys for a lock that you bought specifically to not need to use a key? The only real purpose of the key is if the lock battery is dead or the electronics fail and you have no secondary way into your home. So I'm not sure why you would need more than the two keys it comes with except in extraordinarily rare circumstances.
@@ian3580 I agree. But then they key should not be so trivial to defeat.
@@reav3rtm I didn't say that it had good security - my point is that a complaint that keys are hard to copy doesn't matter (and in some ways would improve security if the lock weren't so easy to defeat by raking).
@@ian3580 And I am not arguing with you:) That "But then" was aimed at the product, not your statement.
Anyone else unreasonably happy when the wave rake comes out. 😆
Not lying to you. Kinda made my day.
I knew it was going to be a rake when I saw it was only 50 seconds left of the video. And I smiled.
Hey man. You’ve been a major source of entertainment for a number of years. And since you’ve started selling hardware through CI , im also a very happy customer. I know you don’t recommend locks etc. officially which I totally understand. However, you’ve also gained a considerable amount of trust through your videos. I was curious if you’ve considered a “LPL Rating” type of system for locks. While an official recommendation would
not be a wise idea for liability purposes, a rating may work.
Something like;
Difficulty Score Legend;
1-thoughtless
2 - not difficult
3 - difficult
4 - very difficult
5 - extremely difficult
For different categories of attacks like cutting, picking, raking, hooking etc..
Great videos! Thanks
He's a lawyer, so he knows full well that people would sue him if he recommended something and then they got ripped off. So, I'd be surprised if he went this route...
@@CraigNeth that’s why I asked about rating them based on his ability to bypass the lock
ARGH! I bought two of these and already installed one before I came across this video.
Now, I'm debating whether to keep either of them.
OH MY GOODNESS! I just had this similar situation with a client who bought a house with a Smolet brand electronic deadbolt. The client sent a picture of the key, which APPEARED to be a KW1. When I arrived and got into the rekey, I discovered that the keyway was NOT a KW1, but similar to a Y1. I say similar because I had to do the exact same thing and cut the blade shorter to make a Y1 key work. Something to note, this Smolet lock had smaller-than-standard pins, so my repinning kit was useless. I had to rearrange the pins in the existing lock to create a new bitting. It worked, but I had to explain that the rest of the locks in the house couldn't be matched to this non-North American key.
Can the lock cylinder be swapped out for a different, more secure one? I know it’s not ideal, but that’s a feature that’s always appreciated.
Kw1 keys are shoulder stop keys, so they align with the pins when the shoulder sits flush against the lock face. Key machines line up the same way to cut the keys. It would be easy to line the key up using the tip instead of the shoulder and then the machine should cut the key with the correct spacing. Then, the person operating the machine should line up the keys and confirm visually the new key has the correct spacing, as they should everytime they cut new keys
Considering that their home security cameras were a security risk, I'm not surprised that their locks are secure.
Any time the wave rake comes out, you know the lock is terrible.
I have my own key cutter, and found that if I line up the tip of the new key with the tip of the original, then odd-length keys are not a problem at all.
Hi mate. Thanks for all your informative videos. I was wondering if you could do a set of videos that show the best of the best in both door locks and padlocks. It is hard for someone like me who watches your videos religiously to work out what is a good unit, when you break out a wave rake and bang its open haha. Cheers Marty
If it takes longer than a minute for LPL to open, then it’s a good lock.
So they made a non standard key but looks like a standard key, that you cannot find a easy way to replicate, unless you buy from them(i imagine) and spend more money with them, made all this effort with all electronic features, only to be defeated by some of the lowest skill attack. I know nothing about the locks industry, but I can say I am impressed. it's like that image from internet, where you have a gate for an open area, but there is no fence.
All chinese locks are like this. There is no standard for how keys are shaped there and there's no expectation of getting keys copied. That said, someone would have to be a fool to buy anything made by Eufy.
To be fair, they did make it really difficult for a thief to make a new copy of your key to use on your lock! 😆
2:27 third trip... ? No. First trip to my printer for an Amazon return label. Then have coffee (it's close to my printer) lol
I recently replaced the lock cylinder on a sliding patio door. The package advertised that it was compatible with Kwikset keys. I've tried to duplicate the key that came with the lock 3 different times. 1st one wouldn't got in at all, and the other 2 go in part way and get jammed. Super-annoying.
I'm a locksmith In Oklahoma City and this happens to us quite frequently. I've learned to always look down the key to make sure if it's sc1 or kw1
i would think that checking the shaft shape (don't know the proper term) would be a standard part of making sure the blank is right
@@webrosc It should be but we often get in a hurry and rely on the shape of the key. Def a bad habit I had to break
When the lock is protecting your stuff from yourself better than it is protecting it from actual criminals :')
You reminded me of Tim Minchin's song Not Perfect.
...And the weirdest thing is that this house
Has locks to keep the baddies out
But they're mostly used to lock ourselves in
@@panda4247 Tim Minchin, I see you're a panda of culture
I have a more expensive eufy smart lock (fingerprint) that has a curved key. It would be nice to know if it is more pick resistant than this model.
The wave rake is probably cheaper than getting the key cut.
Is there at least one lock in this universe that *does not suck* ? I saw so many videos of this guy and I now have a lock-sistential crisis.
"Why do locks exist if they can be opened by anybody in half a minute?"
Another major problem with keypad locks that LPL didn't mention here is fingerprints and wear patterns on the keypad. If you have a 4 digit combination, the numbers will very quickly show up on the keypad, so anyone looking can see what the digits are. They just have to guess the order, which will take at most 4! (4 factorial), or 24 guesses.
Yes...but then wave rake...
Isn't Eufy also the company that lied about how their security cameras worked (claimed they were never uploaded to their servers and remained local but in actuality they were uploaded unencrypted)?
That's the one.
They never claimed data was never uploaded. They claimed local storage which is 100% true. It's fair to criticize that the data wasn't encrypted, but it's unreasonable to criticize them for uploading data when the user wants notifications with their app/infrastructure.
@@nmos001 They absolutely did claim they never uploaded it, then they said "ok we do upload it for notifications but it's encrypted" and then it was proven they weren't encrypting it either. I'm all for allowing notifications but a security device company that lies to you, gets caught and gives you a new lie should not be trusted for anything ever
@@mattdnewman show me the advertisement that stated that nothing gets uploaded. I keep asking people who make claims like your and all I get is silence. All their advertisements state "local storage" as a feature, which is definitely the case.
@@nmos001 Ok, didn't realize I was talking to Eufy PR. You can twist it all you want, there is no reason non-employees of eufy should trust them
Can you open the electronic lock with a strong magnet? That would really make a cherry on top of this cake..
And if not, it would be nice to see if these locks can be saved by disabling the key unlock mechanism
@@JordanPlayz158 There are devices around. You'd need to get a blank key (as seen, kinda hard to do for this), but you can make a "disabler key" that will jam up the keyway and can be removed later with tools/the rest of the disabler.
@@JordanPlayz158 If the core could be changed, that would make a huge improvement.
@@ConstantlyDamaged interesting, either disabler key or core replacement like sleeptyper said although, we also don't know about any other exploits, most concerning if I had to guess, would be what sleeptyper said initially, using a strong magnet
@@JordanPlayz158 Yeah, magnet bypasses don't always work though, and I would have expected LPL to have gone over this one with a magnet to test it.
Having keys that can't be copied may prevent the flatsharing going out of control in a building. I've seen that in a few buildings in my area. I thought that was dumb at first, but it works; especially in areas where the price of the rent is increasing fast, and apartments end up overcrowded.
The only way to get a copy is by contacting the maker of the lock, and only the management of the building can request it.
I don't know if that was the intent here though.
once you mentioned the key I immediately figured it out. Yeah, that's insane and would drive me insane