How The Passenger Pigeon Changed North American Forests

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  • @blusky8930
    @blusky8930 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Sheko I’m a member of the Haudenosaunee (Iroquois) and we still till this day sing and dance the Passenger pigeon songs when sugar maple is flowing and we also sing these songs at socials throughout the year, we also did understand the Importance of the passenger pigeon in their seed dispersal and that in ancient times we developed these songs and dance to honour The passenger pigeon for their benefit to creation. I just wanted to say Yawʌko! (great thanks) for bringing to light the significance of the passenger pigeon as a keystone species in North America.

    • @LearnYourLand
      @LearnYourLand  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you for watching.

  • @stevewapner9061
    @stevewapner9061 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +124

    I imagine the carnivores like martens, fishers, weasels and bobcats must have really benefited from the pigeons’ arrival in the Spring. And the loss of all that biomass must have really thrown the food chain for a loop.

    • @mtman2
      @mtman2 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Esp hawks, eagles, owls, crows, ravens, herons, buzzards, and even squirrels...!!!

    • @sandrastreifel6452
      @sandrastreifel6452 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Even squirrels eat lots of eggs!

    • @deecarlock5781
      @deecarlock5781 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There were also pigs in the forest, brought by europeans to fatten on mast, and the pigs also ate many pigeons on the ground, alive and dead.

  • @KeefsCattys
    @KeefsCattys 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +181

    I mourn this loss . How terrible to lose a part of our world

    • @andywomack3414
      @andywomack3414 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      It would be nice to have some around, but not in the huge numbers that resulted from the removal of native human populations.
      These huge flocks were likely a human induced imbalance resulting from the loss of the natives who hunted them.

    • @puravidadew7031
      @puravidadew7031 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You should know that we have lost 2/3 of the world wildlife population over the last 50 years. Human beings tend to kill everything they come in contact with.

    • @joeschranz4525
      @joeschranz4525 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@andywomack3414we could use the help of hunters who I’m sure would be willing to pay for tags or permits. Boost funding for conservation and balance population

    • @noahway13
      @noahway13 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Just think, a flock of them could *destroy* your yard or park in one evening.

    • @LearnYourLand
      @LearnYourLand  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      @@andywomack3414 According to some ecologists, passenger pigeon populations were large and stable over the past 21,000 years. Ben Novak addresses the misconception that pigeon numbers exploded after European settlement. He concludes that "Our current population genetics analyses show that the Passenger Pigeon was stably abundant for tens of thousands of years, before humans arrived in North America." You can read more about the misconception here: reviverestore.org/projects/the-great-passenger-pigeon-comeback/

  • @sapelesteve
    @sapelesteve 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +70

    Well done Adam. Very informative and interesting video! 👍👍

  • @OutdoorAdventureandNatureStudy
    @OutdoorAdventureandNatureStudy 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +116

    The wanton destruction of Eastern North American forests for timber harvest in the late 19th century was a major factor in the decline of the passenger pigeon. When we visit a high quality forest preserve nowadays, it's helpful to keep in mind that what we think of as a healthy and pristine wilderness is actually a radically altered habitat when compared to the time before European settlers arrived.
    Very interesting to hear some of the theories on the ecological effects to forests due to the passenger pigeon extinction. Great video, thank you!

    • @leightonolsson4846
      @leightonolsson4846 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      It wasn't just the timber they wanted, land was cleared for farmland. Eastern White Pine was huge export lumber for the USA. American white oak has been slightly protected and managed because of it's use in wine barrels and bourbon casks but it's clear huge changes have occurred in the the surviving eastern hardwood and mixed forests of North America, whether it's changes in fire regimes, felling, and disease all because of humans in the span of little over a century.

    • @williamlavelle7786
      @williamlavelle7786 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@leightonolsson4846 I'm 84 and my grandfather was born in S. E. Wi. in1871 and lived to 93. We talked a lot about how he saw the forests come down, the landscape changing and the birds disappearing.

    • @edmartin875
      @edmartin875 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The biggest tree in the east, the Chestnut was wiped out by disease because someone brought over a different type of Chestnut from Asia (I think).
      Someone else brought over a handfull of Starlings from England and now they number in the millions. Many local birds are becoming scarce. I haven't seen a robin in decades.
      People, to this day, can import exotic pets then many are released into the wild. Note the Pythons in Florida and monster fish in our lakes and rivers.
      Etcetera.

    • @leightonolsson4846
      @leightonolsson4846 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@williamlavelle7786 Wow, that's amazing testimony, although sad. Thank you for taking the time to reply; I have ¼ USA ancestry so between that and my fascination with trees (our parks (in the UK) are full of red oaks, yellow poplar, sweetgum to name just a few), I feel a connection with the US - even though my grandmother brought my mother here back when she was barely a toddler.

    • @OrcOfOrchestra
      @OrcOfOrchestra 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Where I live is nothing but pine trees. Maybe there's a way to reforest where I live. Plus gopher tortoises are endangered but I see them every so often where I live.

  • @patriotsongs
    @patriotsongs 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +133

    The extinction of the passenger pigeon has always left me in shock and mourning. How could so many billions of birds be wiped out so thoroughly? How could hunters be so callous as to not see what they were doing? The callousness is beyond understanding.

    • @brandyjean7015
      @brandyjean7015 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

      For all of our purported big brain capabilities, we are a spectacularly short sighted species.

    • @thomasjcorson7502
      @thomasjcorson7502 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      They were market hunters just like the ones slaughtering the American bison

    • @IllBeaAround
      @IllBeaAround 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      ​@@brandyjean7015it's not our species that is short sighted it's specific cultures and economies that cause this outsized harm

    • @kooale
      @kooale 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Earlier comments below are why we need a part 2, but viewers are suggesting a science (sociopolitical, economic, human behavioral sciences) likely outside of Adam's province. Fascinating stuff!

    • @RCSVirginia
      @RCSVirginia 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      To @patriotsongs
      One of the saddest parts of this story is that there were states and localities that did try to protect the last Passenger Pigeon colonies, but they did not have the resources to protect them. The hunters just ignored and overwhelmed the few officials that were attempting to stop the killing.

  • @kevinbown424
    @kevinbown424 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +47

    Yeah that's pretty sad. I'm surprised there are any Bison left as well.

    • @Random_UserName4269
      @Random_UserName4269 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I’m glad because Bison is tasty!

    • @alvargas5095
      @alvargas5095 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There really aren't any "untouched wild" herds of Bison in the United States. The so called last remaining wild herds are actually the product of manipulation as the bison that remained at the turn of the 20th Century were corralled and bred back from the brink of extinction. Pure North American Bison DNA might still exist in the herds in Canada but not the lower 48 contiguous states.

  • @gianpaulgraziosi6171
    @gianpaulgraziosi6171 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +218

    That Biotech Startup called Colossal trying to bring back mammoths should refocus on passenger pigeons…

    • @LearnYourLand
      @LearnYourLand  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +72

      Revive & Restore is working on it: reviverestore.org/about-the-passenger-pigeon/

    • @HundedeskriegesWV
      @HundedeskriegesWV 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +47

      It will be interesting to see if they are successful. One of the reasons the populations went completely extinct is that passenger pigeons had adapted to living in large communal groups. It wasn't simply that hunters killed every single bird. They just killed so many that the colonies did not have the numbers necessary to sustain themselves anymore. So how many passenger pigeons do you need in a flock to be successful at reproduction and survival? A hundred, a thousand, ten thousand? Not sure we have those answers right now.

    • @gianpaulgraziosi6171
      @gianpaulgraziosi6171 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@HundedeskriegesWV think that’s even harder with mammoths

    • @inharmonywithearth9982
      @inharmonywithearth9982 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@HundedeskriegesWVThere is still DOVE hunting every year shooting all the doves they see in the air so they made sure they'd never recover.

    • @brucehuber4015
      @brucehuber4015 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      . . . but were they a keystone species? ​@@squidward5110

  • @seanrowemusic
    @seanrowemusic 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Fascinating Adam! Thanks for sharing this👌👌

  • @Juli-g4d
    @Juli-g4d 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +71

    I get choked up every time I visit Martha's shrine.

    • @quickglimpse101
      @quickglimpse101 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Cincinnati native here. I've cried both there, and in front of Stumpys shrine at Wright Patterson...he was a decorated war pigeon. He saved many lives. But he wasn't the last of his species. Martha's loss is a darker thing. I hope they do bring them back,.

    • @andywomack3414
      @andywomack3414 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They failed to adapt. Better off without these pigeon swarms.

    • @dl1361
      @dl1361 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@andywomack3414better off without mosquito swarms too?

    • @andywomack3414
      @andywomack3414 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@dl1361 According to some researcher, mosquitos have killed and disabled more humans than any other animal. Always better off without mosquito swarms.

    • @dl1361
      @dl1361 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@andywomack3414 maybe we can get rid of all the pesky rodents,squirrels,raccoons and deer too? A little sarcasm yeah. But I’m not enthusiastic about eradicating other life forms

  • @pattymc614
    @pattymc614 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Thank you Adam! I love your incredible knowledge and enthusiasm! As a novice mycologist, I've been watching only your mushroom videos for a few years now. But this just introduced me to something I didn't even know I was interested in!!! 😊 As always, you gave such a clear and interesting delivery of a topic not frequently seen!

  • @Heavilymoderated
    @Heavilymoderated 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +112

    Literally turned paradise into a parking lot.

    • @noahway13
      @noahway13 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The birds did? Not sure what you mean...

    • @Heavilymoderated
      @Heavilymoderated 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@noahway13 yes. The birds turned the country into a parking lot. Not capitalism. Not white people. The birds.

    • @edwardamosbrandwein3583
      @edwardamosbrandwein3583 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Passenger Pigeon: from billions to none.

    • @morganclare4704
      @morganclare4704 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      GO jONI!

    • @lindaseel9986
      @lindaseel9986 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​​​@@noahway13 It's a reference to a song by Joni Mitchell.
      " They paved Paradise,put up a parking lot. "

  • @beebob1279
    @beebob1279 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    And the American chestnut was spread all over.
    How about the effects of the dung on the soils and how it helped build the fertile soils we have today.
    The fires as a result may have kept specific diseases in check by not allowing them to spread. Now it’s a horror if we have a fire.
    Excellent video of the pigeon. Thank you for doing that

    • @Bob_Adkins
      @Bob_Adkins 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Chestnuts are far too big for the PP to swallow. Even turkeys had a tough time eating them.

    • @bch5513
      @bch5513 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Most of the fire issue is "Smokey Bear" campaign who ironically had its 80th anniversary YESTERDAY.
      I had the unfortunate experience to visit a UFS cavern yesterday.

    • @beebob1279
      @beebob1279 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Bob_Adkins The video mentioned chestnuts.

    • @virginiainla8085
      @virginiainla8085 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@Bob_AdkinsThey fed mostly on Americam chestnuts

    • @Bob_Adkins
      @Bob_Adkins 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@virginiainla8085 Are you serious? A chicken can't swallow a small chestnut. which are about 1cm in diameter, about the same size as a passenger pigeon's head. If that's the case, they were doomed anyway.

  • @bohditony
    @bohditony 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    John Muir talked about passenger pigeons darkening the sky in hundreds of thousands coming to roost for the night. They were hunted & culled until. Last passenger pigeon died in 1914 in a zoo
    Like the dodo & Florida parrot & the auk, etc - not extinction - exploitation

    • @Tam0de
      @Tam0de 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Florida parrot = Carolina parakeet?

  • @violetpasztorwilson1192
    @violetpasztorwilson1192 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Too cool.. sad but interesting... Adam is unbelievable.. I'm always amazed at his awesome videos.

  • @Aldoleapold
    @Aldoleapold 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    This takes forest forensics to a new level. Awesome vid. Thanks

  • @KarlBunker
    @KarlBunker 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Fascinating stuff. I've often wondered what kind of impact the huge numbers of these birds must have had on the environment.

  • @PenntuckytheCrag
    @PenntuckytheCrag 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    What an amazing story Adam. Thx

  • @brucehuber4015
    @brucehuber4015 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    To inform and inspire is your path. Thank you.

  • @Greye13
    @Greye13 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Passenger Pigeons are fascinating. Thank you Adam, for this excellent video and a more in depth look at one of the world's most iconic birds. 🌼🌳

    • @alvargas5095
      @alvargas5095 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      A very poignant story of the extinction of the Passenger Pigeon can be read in "The Silent Sky: The Incredible Extinction Of The Passenger Pigeon" by Allan W. Eckert

  • @Hoseaistheone
    @Hoseaistheone 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Extremely interesting. Thank you for this look back into our forest history. Well done!

  • @nelsonpagel2175
    @nelsonpagel2175 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Every time I go hiking I think about how things live in the forest, everything is interconnected somehow. There's the small scale relationships and the bigger changes that occur that occur over time that we don't really think about. I really enjoy your videos Adam. I'm in the Pacific Northwest but hopefully will visit the Eastern forests one day.

    • @theresapelham1918
      @theresapelham1918 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Please do
      They are lush and green…especially now
      So different from your neck of the woods…which is uniquely as incredible ✨🌿✨

    • @sjain8111
      @sjain8111 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@theresapelham1918 🌳

  • @J.A.Smith2397
    @J.A.Smith2397 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Wow, one of your best videos yet!!!! The information was incredible!

  • @thenomad4601
    @thenomad4601 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +47

    I've heard of a theory that the prevalence of Lyme disease is partially a result of the extinction of the Passenger Pigeon. The idea being the acorns and other hard mast that was no longer eaten by the pigeons allowed deer and rodents to occur in close proximity, resulting in ticks being transferred between the two more easily. The deer (whose population increased exponentially with our removal of wolves and cougars) traveling further distances than the rodents, contributed to the spread of the disease.

    • @Bob_Adkins
      @Bob_Adkins 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      The PP itself may have been a victim of disease. It's almost impossible to shoot billions of small, fast, wary birds in 50 years. Surely something else was at work there.
      In Argentina, there is a severe pigeon/dove problem, and people shoot them at will, even flying in from abroad to hunt them. This has not helped a bit, they're still a great pestilence on crops.

    • @davidpotter7484
      @davidpotter7484 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      It's because of Michigan. That region was their nesting grounds. When they cut down the entire state. The entire thumb of Michigan burned, and they've kept trees off since. Its well recorded history, and not a secret.

    • @HuckleberryHim
      @HuckleberryHim 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Tinfoil hat time, but this one is pretty clear-cut: Lyme disease resulted from an accidental (I hope) release of human-modified pathogens. There is a government testing facility on an island right off of Lyme, Connecticut (city for which it is named). It was never documented anywhere in the world before the 1980's, and now it's spread to other countries, though it is still most prevalent in the northeastern US where it originated.

    • @davidpotter7484
      @davidpotter7484 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@HuckleberryHim i doubt it was accidental, possibly hapoens occasionally, but more likely intentionally. Because people are making money from it. They have been doing research on that type of thing since the 1800's, as weapons. Ans there has never been a weapon developed that hasn't been used

    • @HuckleberryHim
      @HuckleberryHim 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@davidpotter7484 It could have been an ill-guided experiment gone awry, or just an accident because humans really are incompetent (we still don't know how COVID started). But what makes me think it wasn't a straight up intentional bioweapon release is that it isn't that deadly or fast. Probably just people being stupid at the end of the day

  • @spsmith1965
    @spsmith1965 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    I recently read a book (1491 by Charles C. Mann) which states the recent evidence suggests that the passenger pigeon did not exist in huge numbers prior to European contact. After native American populations crashed due to disease after coming into contact with European diseases, passenger pigeon increased due to some (unidentified) ecological imbalance. The book suggests that it was not hunting by native Americans that kept numbers low. The book suggests that the relationship was more complex. It may be that European farming methods lead to the population increase. But I do not think we will ever know for sure.

    • @LearnYourLand
      @LearnYourLand  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      I read that too. It seems that what Charles Mann wrote in 1491 about the passenger pigeon isn't entirely accepted by everyone. According to some ecologists, passenger pigeon populations were large and stable over the past 21,000 years. Ben Novak addresses this misconception and concludes that "Our current population genetics analyses show that the Passenger Pigeon was stably abundant for tens of thousands of years, before humans arrived in North America." You can read more about the misconception here: reviverestore.org/projects/the-great-passenger-pigeon-comeback/

    • @rosskstar
      @rosskstar 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      How much of that was baseless propaganda to remove an abundant food source to hurt the tribes, as they did bison?
      I don't believe they destroyed trees. A humble crabapple tree on my street was covered by GT grackles every year and it didn't bust apart.
      I suspect Freemasons drove the misinfo, the same way they went after hemp.

    • @spsmith1965
      @spsmith1965 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@LearnYourLand Thanks.

    • @nicksweeney5176
      @nicksweeney5176 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@spsmith1965
      *led

    • @glenncordova4027
      @glenncordova4027 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      The same thing may have happened with the American bison. Europeans crossing the present United States in the 1500s and 1600s rarely encountered bison in large numbers. By the 1800s bison were teeming in the millions, from the Appalachian mountains to the Rockies.

  • @samueltucker8473
    @samueltucker8473 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    There was at the nature and science center now called the Virginia Liveing Museum a stuffed Passenger Pigeon. It may have been one that died in the zoo around 1914

    • @michaeldeierhoi4096
      @michaeldeierhoi4096 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      More likely that specimen was one perhaps hundreds collected by ornithologists back in the 1800's that collected birds of all species. Most natural History museums around the country probably have specimens.

  • @davidmcguinness9187
    @davidmcguinness9187 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Thanks for the video

  • @GalaxySpinz
    @GalaxySpinz 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I would have loved to have seen a passenger pigeon. I love my ring neck and mourning doves. The mourning dove coo so lovely and the ring necks are so timid and innocent. I would love to hear a passenger. Don't forget to backyard bird feed. Help our feathered friends, they really need it!

    • @EP-qi8ed
      @EP-qi8ed 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I've been feeding our mourning doves for over a decade and they come to the window when they see me to tell me to put more food out. AzureStandard has organic human-grade hulled millet, and they LOVE that, if you want to spoil them.

    • @GalaxySpinz
      @GalaxySpinz 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@EP-qi8ed Ya they let you know when the foods out don't they! Sounds like you really spoil them. But they sure are worth it. They bring so much beauty and joy to the backyard. Happy feeding!

    • @alvargas5095
      @alvargas5095 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Ring Neck Doves are a species introduced into North America. They're natural range extends from Europe to parts of North Africa. They are not native to the Americas.
      Mourning Doves are native and probably the closest extant relative species of the Passenger Pigeon.

  • @timmynormand8082
    @timmynormand8082 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Very Interesting thank you

  • @NativeHabitatProject
    @NativeHabitatProject 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Although I’m mad you used a video idea I’ve been really excited about making you did it far more justice than i could have! Great video man!

    • @slugoo6474
      @slugoo6474 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Love your videos

  • @kenycharles8600
    @kenycharles8600 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Thank you for this presentation.

  • @kk31617
    @kk31617 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Well done . Thank you for your video.

  • @CarlsGarden
    @CarlsGarden 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    It would be nice to see a video like this about the Carolina Parokeet. Probably the most beautiful bird we’ve lost😢

    • @brightmooninthenight2111
      @brightmooninthenight2111 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Definitely. Often it seems that the forests are barren of animal life. I'm in the mountains of North Carolina right now, by Pisgah. Its almost always dead silent in the woods. The tree and plants are overwhelmingly beautiful but something about the Forest strikes me deeply barren. I don't think it was supposed to be like this.
      Most people have no clue the eastern US even had a parakeet. I wasn't taught that in school.

    • @ericastier1646
      @ericastier1646 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@brightmooninthenight2111 You americans decimated animals and forest. I was in the north carolina south mountains today and saw not one large animal and no bird.

    • @JoshTrager-j9g
      @JoshTrager-j9g 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      All living creatures are beautiful, but especially birds. It breaks my heart knowing how many of them have died by humanity's hands.😢

  • @thoughtfulkayaker8065
    @thoughtfulkayaker8065 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very insightful. It is so interesting to see how all things are so interdependant. Thanks.

  • @Squirrelmind66
    @Squirrelmind66 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    There is a theory that the massive size of the passenger pigeon flocks seen in the colonial era may have been a byproduct of the epidemics spread by Europeans- there were fewer pressures on their population with so many humans gone.

  • @selfcontrol9982
    @selfcontrol9982 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Your videos are well researched and insightful. You're entertaining as well.

  • @apikmin
    @apikmin 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    This is so interesting! 💚 ty

  • @magimike1618
    @magimike1618 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video- would appreciate more videos about the devastating loss of our native species and the destruction caused by the introduced and invasive ones. I live in WI and wonder if some of my old trees remember the passenger pigeons...

  • @gutemorcheln6134
    @gutemorcheln6134 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Extremely interesting, and also worth pointin out that some researchers believe that the prevalence of white oaks may have also been faciliated by large grazers, bison especially. This is partly based on the observation that European white oaks thrive in grazed ecosystems, and that through conservation grazing, oak regeneration failure can be reversed. In any case, it is fascinating to contemplate how animals might have in the past influenced and altered their habitats!

  • @Dmyra
    @Dmyra 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    wow, i bet we could bring them back like the buffalo. i live in costa rica and we have one wild pigeon (Red-billed Pigeon Patagioenas flavirostris) it looks similar to this one. i really like them they are big and beautiful

  • @philipwagner7929
    @philipwagner7929 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Outstanding presentation, Thank you !

  • @willbeez60
    @willbeez60 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Fascinating video. Thank you.

  • @RGT8388
    @RGT8388 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you so much for your unique and informative videos

  • @ccgreengirl
    @ccgreengirl 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank you so much for this interesting information!

  • @LeadwithNature
    @LeadwithNature 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Excellent video, research and storytelling! I also noticed a few interesting background bird language" situations...at 7:20, wood thrushes and a few other species (maybe robins and titmice?) begin alarming - likely at a raptor stationed nearby.

    • @LearnYourLand
      @LearnYourLand  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Excellent observation!

  • @pinkytaylor5845
    @pinkytaylor5845 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I love your content. Keep doing you! ❤❤

  • @TwistedRootsVanVelzerPress
    @TwistedRootsVanVelzerPress 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Wow - Little Tornados ! Another species that is destructive as humans .... very interesting :) This was fascinating ! I'm nature oriented but all I knew is the Passenger P was extinct - I knew none of this - thanks for sharing

    • @edmartin875
      @edmartin875 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The only bit I can add is that I knew they were thick enough they could be clubbed off their roost. That made an impression on me when I learned it, such that I cannot think of Passenger Pigeons without remembering that fact.

  • @RenG-r8j
    @RenG-r8j 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well done! You tell us so that even a low educated but curious 63 year old man can understand. Great job and channel!

  • @glennmiller9759
    @glennmiller9759 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Excellent video as always (although sad this time) - thank you!

  • @elsajohnson6663
    @elsajohnson6663 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fascinating. Love the comments that add info as well !

  • @ScottWConvid19
    @ScottWConvid19 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I periodically consider a variety of plants, trees and shrubs that are distributed by the fowl of the air and wonder which kind of fowl distribute which kind of plants, as it's obvious when a canopy is opened up in areas that a much more diverse ecology blooms in its vacancy

  • @bobbeattie9695
    @bobbeattie9695 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video Adam!

  • @winc06
    @winc06 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What a good presentation.

  • @youevil9846
    @youevil9846 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I am HUGE admirer of the Columbidae family of birds and every time I see photos and documentaries about the passenger pigeons it saddens me to the core.

    • @Random_UserName4269
      @Random_UserName4269 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Go to London and try to see if you still admire them.

    • @youevil9846
      @youevil9846 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Random_UserName4269 No need. We have native species in the United States and Yes I do admire columbiformes and birds in general.

  • @janetkirk6266
    @janetkirk6266 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for this excellent presentation.

  • @stanronn
    @stanronn 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    One of your best videos!

  • @WiseSnake
    @WiseSnake 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I read about this hypothesis several years ago it's quite fascinating.

  • @ericpierce3660
    @ericpierce3660 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That was really interesting, you're a good teacher. So sad they're gone.

  • @dkcorderoyximenez3382
    @dkcorderoyximenez3382 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Nicely presented...btw, we ate pigeons like crazy while living in Texas...just like dove, just larger...

  • @teamground0229
    @teamground0229 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very good presentation! Learned a lot, thanks!

  • @timv.885
    @timv.885 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Consider also that this bird since it has not existed on the landscape for some time could potentially act as an invasive species, since associated life forms may have also disappeared with it. Proceed with caution….

    • @frenchpotato2852
      @frenchpotato2852 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      That is something interesting to consider but I truly doubt that eastern forests have changed so much in 100 years in terms of the actual species there. Now, I do believe that passenger pigeons could contribute to the spread of invasive species, they could eat there seeds and spread them to their roosting sites.

  • @prbmax
    @prbmax 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    What impact did the American Carolina parakeet have?

  • @garysilver718
    @garysilver718 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I find this amazing. At the age of 84 I learned something today.

  • @brewswillas6635
    @brewswillas6635 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    In Civil War times, large accumulations of bird droppings (niter) were collected for the making of gunpowder. So, in that way, the passenger pigeon was carrying the seeds of its own destruction.

    • @alvargas5095
      @alvargas5095 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Rebs and Yanks killed each other with bird shit

  • @davidmushinski8196
    @davidmushinski8196 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I feel so much smarter every time I listen to one of your videos

  • @GuardianAngel..
    @GuardianAngel.. 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    You know that if those Passenger Pigeons were still around today it would be near to impossible to travel to North America by Airplane, Now coming to think maybe their sudden extinction around the time that they did wasn’t a coincidence after all 🤔

  • @SuperManning11
    @SuperManning11 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I had no idea about the numbers of pigeons there were. Fascinating!

  • @Mindful_2024
    @Mindful_2024 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very informative. Greatly appreciated.

  • @northernmemaw4036
    @northernmemaw4036 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    This is definitely one of my favorite videos! Thank you for this valuable information 😊 I do wonder sometimes, how 'they' know that something has gone extinct for sure, because once in a while, you see an article of scientists spotting something in the wild that had been thought extinct for a long time😊🤔

    • @loboalamo
      @loboalamo 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Best to keep a beautiful secret.☀️👩‍🌾

    • @northernmemaw4036
      @northernmemaw4036 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@loboalamo Omgosh!! Absolutely 😁💖💖

    • @anitaodom5155
      @anitaodom5155 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes🤫😎🕊

    • @MrChristianDT
      @MrChristianDT 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      In the case of Ohio, the two extinct bird species are distinctive enough that you'd notice them if you saw one. Plus, you need at least 1000 individuals to maintain a population, or there will eventually be dangerous levels of inbreeding.

  • @RobWCurrier
    @RobWCurrier 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    another truly excellent presentation,,,,thx, Rob Currier

  • @julianholman7379
    @julianholman7379 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was very good. I think youcould do another on the beaver and the vast network of wetlands they created

  • @bradmitchell3765
    @bradmitchell3765 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent presentation!

  • @elainelear4982
    @elainelear4982 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I enjoy learning this information.

  • @darryld9719
    @darryld9719 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well done Adam!.......your videos are the best....thank you.....I really enjoy your lifetime mushroom course.....

  • @gregorythetford924
    @gregorythetford924 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bravo! One of your bests!

  • @ScarletRebel96
    @ScarletRebel96 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Another great upload , the fact modern day pigeons flock in cities is our fault , alot of them lost theyre natural insticts because of us and when the phone became widespread we discardes them , they definitely deserved so much better.

    • @dudleyhaines9826
      @dudleyhaines9826 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Because they are cliff dwellers and cities are a good analog.

    • @carelgoodheir692
      @carelgoodheir692 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@dudleyhaines9826 They are indeed cliff dwellers, and even keener on caves. The wild stock that all these urban pigeons descend from is the rock dove, a relatively uncommon bird and they come to our bird table here on Skye in northwest Scotland.

    • @Michael-j4l3d
      @Michael-j4l3d 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      When our governments go full totalitarian and take away our internet we are going to need to catch pigeons to insult eachother.

  • @tommyhunter1817
    @tommyhunter1817 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    The loss of the passenger pigeon is disgusting.

    • @CJ-BZ
      @CJ-BZ 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Same. It honestly disgusts me. I get similar feelings when think about thylacines.

    • @steventeter3332
      @steventeter3332 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And the Carolina Parakeet. It just blows me away that we could actually kill billions of birds and put their population into critical Decline

    • @uhohhotdog
      @uhohhotdog 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Passenger pigeon poop blanketing cities is disgusting

    • @tommyhunter1817
      @tommyhunter1817 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@uhohhotdog this is a good point.

    • @CJ-BZ
      @CJ-BZ 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@uhohhotdog ahhhh so that merits extinction. solid logic.

  • @madmaxofspokane1691
    @madmaxofspokane1691 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    14:00 Wild mushrooms are what I was expecting to see in this video at some point. 🍄🍄🍣🍣
    I live in the Northwest and would to see a video correlating how Passenger Pigeons may have played a huge role in the growth and dispersion of mushroom species. Fungus may very well be the cornerstone of the evolution of all life on our planet.

  • @justinb5815
    @justinb5815 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Another fantastic video!

  • @Wildernut
    @Wildernut 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome story, Adam.

  • @dantheman8112
    @dantheman8112 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I wonder what affect the mammoths did to the forests and if they kept the passenger pigeons numbers in check.

  • @patrickmcneely7388
    @patrickmcneely7388 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Killer analysis. It was well defined and reasoned from every angle.

    • @LearnYourLand
      @LearnYourLand  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for watching.

  • @busybeeteach
    @busybeeteach 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    We never appreciate just how interdependent is the web of life and how any disruption has far reaching repercussions.

  • @WhatWeDoChannel
    @WhatWeDoChannel 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That was very well done. Thank you.

  • @rich-ard-style6996
    @rich-ard-style6996 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    A another very interesting video.

  • @ShaunHall-i7e
    @ShaunHall-i7e 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm still amazed at how interconnected life is.

  • @Akimikinaak
    @Akimikinaak 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Cool vid great job man

  • @cameroonkendrick6312
    @cameroonkendrick6312 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A keystone species, one that should definitely be considered to be brought back

  • @1northsparrow246
    @1northsparrow246 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Is John James Audubon 1:54 holding a rifle?

  • @jcgoedkoop
    @jcgoedkoop 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Amazing! Thank you.

  • @Freddie_Dunning-Kruger_Jr.
    @Freddie_Dunning-Kruger_Jr. 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fascinating video 🕊️

  • @misterdubity3073
    @misterdubity3073 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    excellent presentation

  • @loboalamo
    @loboalamo 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Wow! That was eye opening. As a child we traveled a lot and lived in a few countries and states. But now that I am older and raised children of my own I have watched people grow old and children grow up, communities grow including the ecological community system.
    You just put everything into context!
    On my acres, my personal ecosystem, because I neglect my acreage, it has become filled with life I have no desire to disturb. The things that grow here and bird species I have never seen or heard brighten my life as much as my children do.
    I really enjoy your channel.

    • @BonnieBlue2A
      @BonnieBlue2A 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Failure to manage does not equate to success, especially in hardwood forests.
      Cultivation (water management) and forest management are important for ecosystems of savannas and hardwood forests.

  • @scottholliday9308
    @scottholliday9308 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Interesting video my friend.

  • @GiGiC14
    @GiGiC14 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    🤯🤔Incredible. Thank you! 🌲💚🌳🐦

  • @Traderjoe
    @Traderjoe 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I wonder if, as these flew around and excreted dung, that the pattern of the accumulated dung can be preserved in the depository record. We could see if these patterns of dispersal was changing over time since the ice age. To see if they went certain directions as forests started taking root and growing after the ice was gone. How did they manage to eat these nuts? They aren’t really equipped to cracking open nuts, are they? Were they in a symbiotic relationship with squirrels or something that could chew upon these nuts and then the birds would swoop in and eat the cracked open nuts? How did the extinction of these birds affect the populations of squirrels? Did their numbers increase or decrease after the pigeon went extinct?

  • @annietriesthings
    @annietriesthings 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    regarding the buck at 14:35 ... Is this a recent shot? Because the bucks here in Wisconsin are still in velvet. I find it interesting if your bucks have de-velveted already. Just curious :)

  • @angelofamillionyears4599
    @angelofamillionyears4599 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Interesting. But it seems unlikely that they would have been totally eliminated.

  • @manontondalan9941
    @manontondalan9941 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    i wasn't convince that it breaks a whole tree
    or hunters drove this specie to extinctio but i believe
    farmers has something to do with thier extinction
    maybe they use pesticides.

  • @gwenwilliams3594
    @gwenwilliams3594 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I'm wondering if the loss of these birds eventually lead to the collapse of the chestnut tress population. Maybe not directly but the lack of roosting damage, all the dung, etc. led to changes in small animal, insect and even fungus populations that eventually changed the ecosystems that crippled the chestnut tress. The birds must have had a significant effect on cicada populations that still is making changes in the forests on that area.

    • @nicksweeney5176
      @nicksweeney5176 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      *led

    • @artawhirler
      @artawhirler 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The chestnut trees were killed off by a disease imported from Asia, not by passenger pigeons.