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Thanks for this video, Rod. Was looking for a SIMPLE guide on setting up an indicator system for fly-fishing at my local trout lakes and this makes so much sense. Can’t wait to get out there!
Will try this method. Thanks again Rod, love your presentation style. Carol from Sydney, Australia....I cycled along Kalamalka Lake today and have sussed out a few potential shore line spots to cast a line into deep water. Wish me luck!
Thanks Camille! Lots of people find this really intimidating and hard to understand so I hope many will give it a go now after this overview. I try to "dumb it down" so it doesn't seem as overwhelming. 😊
thank you for helping with fly fishing ,, keep the info coming .. it is much more enjoyable fishing when you catch fish in the time out there ... keep the videos coming , thanks again
I'm not expert at it for sure but over the year I have figure out my own style or system to avoid the tangles. Maybe I'll show it in front of the camera this season. Once it gets over 20ft, it's better to just switch over to a fast sinking line and "deep lining" instead. Or do what I like to do, just use a conventional gear and drop the fly straight down with a sliding weight rig like what we did last spring: th-cam.com/video/4Sxwxm6LhVo/w-d-xo.html
Thank you very much rod!! I am just starting to learn fly fishing finally after years of fishing with spinning rod and reels! Thus is very helpful for me!!! Wish me luck!
I would also mention , there are quite a few tackle stores in the lower mainland that provide fly casting beginner courses that can help you get started . Michael & Young , Pacific Angler , Sea Run to name a few .
Hi Rod, love your videos, been watching you for a few years now. One question if you ever read comments on two year old vids. Where do you find the self tripping strike indicators? I live in Chilliwack and I've tried Fred's tackle but they don't carry them.
Thanks Andy. The peg of these quick release strike indicators are threaded onto the line too, so it just slides down with the indicator on the line once they come apart.
Rod...Are some of the interior stocked lakes also populated with wild strains? If so, is there a way to know if a lake was sterile before it was stocked, and which lakes contain a 'mix' of wild and stocked trout?
Hey rod! Thanks for the vid! Why are you using a swivel instead of a knot like double surgeons to connect leader and tippet? Isn't the swivel making it harder to cast and more risk to tangle in the air? The only positive I'd see would be to prep flies on one end, loop knot on the other end, and use snap swivel for easier shift from a fly to the other But I'm a Newby so I'd love your opinion haha
Yep you could also do that especially if you are using a short leader with a fixed indicator fishing in the shallows. There are two reasons that the swivel is used. One is so it prevents the indicator from sliding all the way down to the fly once it pops off while fighting a fish. Second is it acts as a tiny weight to get the fly down if you are fishing in 20ft of water. Sometimes we even add a little splitshot to just above the swivel. If the hatch is heavy and bite is on, you don't want to spend too much time waiting for the fly to reach the strike zone.
You could probably do that, which would save some time on tying new flies etc. You'd need a snap swivel, and each tippet would have its own swivel to connect to that snap swivel, so the only problem I see is that the hardware chain becomes longer and that may affect the casting. If the goal is just to catch fish, I'd say go for it, whatever works. I use swivels that are as small as possible. I use size 12.
Hi Rod, thanks for the content. After the initial fly is tied, do you do another bottom fly under it ~1ft? or do you just use a single fly in this setup?
@@FishingwithRod I’d prefer it to fit through the eyelet, so you can fully rig up the reel with the leader and tippet. To store it that way so when you get to the lake you only have to put your reel on your rod and off you go.
I'm confused about casting and the float stopper catching the eyes of the rod. How do you cast if your float stopper is at 15 or 20 feet up your line? Thanks
When you are casting, your entire leader (20 feet or so) has to be out of all the guides and a bit of the fly line will also be out as well. If not, you're no going to be able to cast the fly line out. Having 20 or so feet of line hanging out makes casting a lot more challenging for sure, and there are different tricks to manage that. We'll try to show that in another video.
Hey rod, can I ask, if using a 20 ft leader and going straight down from the boat, does the fly rod add any advantage over traditional gear with a fly on it?
There isn't any huge advantage really. Once it gets over 20ft deep, usually we switch to fly fishing with a fast sinking line, or just use spinning/baitcasting setups and drop the fly straight down. In fact, your depth control is probably better with this method than the indicator, because there's fair amount of swinging when the leader is that long if there's a bit of breeze or current. I have an episode from last spring showing us dropping it straight down with gear, I think we were anchoring at 25ft. th-cam.com/video/4Sxwxm6LhVo/w-d-xo.html
Chironomid patterns can still work in some lakes in the same area throughout the summer months. Take Tunkwa Lake for example, late July and early August there usually is a hatch of bigger chironomids known as bombers. Blood worms can be great too. There also could be mayfly and sedge hatches.
A lengthy answer for a quick question. 😉 There are three reasons. One is that 6lb test leader is a lot harder to cast with than 12lb test leader at the end of the fly line, especially if it is 20 feet+. Beacuse you're pegging the indicator to the leader, you want something a bit thicker to avoid any abrasion which may lead to the line snapping. Lastly, the tippet isn't always 6lb test. Sometimes you have to switch to 8, or 10lb test if you are fishing in lakes where you have the potential of encountering much bigger fish.
I would suggest if you don't mind Rod !! That people get what they can afford at the time they are interested . Learn the ART of Fly Fishing , Fly Tying and if your really Liking it go with the more pricey rigs. Read , watch and learn the Sport , efficiency comes with lots of practice . It does take patience , observation , research and lots of time on the water (that's the sweet part ) !
Yep the beauty of fly fishing is that you don't necessarily need to spend a lot of money to get started. More expensive or better gear can make it easier, but people can work their way up as they get more into it.
I feel like you can easily use a spinning set up that's going to be very similar. Since you're not even using a tapered leader to help you cast your fly.
Yep, you can do exactly just that and catch just as many fish. I've explained tha setup in this video from a few years ago: th-cam.com/video/Mb14nMnIs4Y/w-d-xo.html
love how hes like just for a few hundred bucks, i mean unless your buying used. you'll end up spending $500 minimum on Canadian Tire rods, lines, indicator, and a variety of chronomids.
lol my bad, it can be quite a pricy investment, but I do believe you can get started pretty cheaply. An entry level fly rod and reel plus floating line can be purchased for a couple hundred dollars, sometimes even less. That's how I started too. They may not perform as well but can do the job.
Don't forget folks . These are not meant to cast from shore unless it's a beautiful sandy beach . Most lakes in BC are lined with trees and brush causing snags in the trees and bush . Not fun. My setup is 1 x $150. rod and reel $120. on a decent float line . $500. pontoon boat and waiters ,fins. $250. on a decent Mustang vest life jacket . Or my go to machine is my 14 foot aluminum boat and motor $5000. What's in your wallet : )
That's correct Mark. I'd just add that if people don't have a boat, they could try to do this on one of the floating docks which have been set up around Merritt and Kamloops (featured in the latest video). I'd say you can easily fly fish with the indicator from the dock at Marquart, Lodgepole, Stake, Edith.
Call bobber on a fly rod man kind of defeats the purpose of a fly rod I think the really good fly fisherman don't use indicators understand how to watch the knot
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Fishing with Rod is one of the most well rounded fishing channels. Love these "how to" episodes. Thanks for all your hard work.
Thanks C L! 😊 I try to diversify and cover as many different subjects as possible so everyone gets something out of the content.
THANK YOU!!
I’m fishing a lake this weekend and really wanted to use my fly rod! You’re the man buddy 🫡
Great video! There’s not a whole lot out there for lake/still water. I appreciate it.
Thanks for this video, Rod. Was looking for a SIMPLE guide on setting up an indicator system for fly-fishing at my local trout lakes and this makes so much sense. Can’t wait to get out there!
You're welcome Jeff. Good luck out there!
Will try this method. Thanks again Rod, love your presentation style. Carol from Sydney, Australia....I cycled along Kalamalka Lake today and have sussed out a few potential shore line spots to cast a line into deep water. Wish me luck!
Very useful video! Leaders, tippet, indicators, it all gets confusing for beginners🤷♀️ Thanks for making it simple 🎣
Thanks Camille! Lots of people find this really intimidating and hard to understand so I hope many will give it a go now after this overview. I try to "dumb it down" so it doesn't seem as overwhelming. 😊
thank you for helping with fly fishing ,, keep the info coming .. it is much more enjoyable fishing when you catch fish in the time out there ... keep the videos coming , thanks again
Hi Rod, another good video. It would be great to see a video on how to avoid tangling long leaders when casting (asking for a friend). haha. Thanks
Do what I do....use short leaders!🤣😉
@@williamcooke6056 That only works in the shallows lol Casting 20ft leaders in the wind is no fun.
I'm not expert at it for sure but over the year I have figure out my own style or system to avoid the tangles. Maybe I'll show it in front of the camera this season. Once it gets over 20ft, it's better to just switch over to a fast sinking line and "deep lining" instead. Or do what I like to do, just use a conventional gear and drop the fly straight down with a sliding weight rig like what we did last spring:
th-cam.com/video/4Sxwxm6LhVo/w-d-xo.html
@@primalucephoto yeah, I know! 😆
When you are falsecasting focus on a slight circular motion instead of staight back and forth
Thanks for this, Rod. I never thought to fish a fly in a lake like that.
Thank you very much rod!! I am just starting to learn fly fishing finally after years of fishing with spinning rod and reels! Thus is very helpful for me!!! Wish me luck!
Great! 🙂 Thanks for checking it out!
thank you for so many great videos ...rod you deserve 200 thousand subscribers 😃 i have learned so much thank you
Thank you! ☺️
This may be the year for some fly fishing gear. Great video!
And a lake fishing boat. 😉
My favorite time of the year!!
Just ordered some flies from Justin. Hopefully I’ll be bangin fish like Rod soon.
Woohoo! 🥳
I would also mention , there are quite a few tackle stores in the lower mainland that provide fly casting beginner courses that can help you get started . Michael & Young , Pacific Angler , Sea Run to name a few .
Very timely for me…Thank you
You are very welcome!
Hi Rod, love your videos, been watching you for a few years now. One question if you ever read comments on two year old vids. Where do you find the self tripping strike indicators? I live in Chilliwack and I've tried Fred's tackle but they don't carry them.
The quick release indicators? Fred's would have some, I have always bought them there. Ask Tony for them at the Chilliwack store.
Thanks for the Vid Rod was a good one .
Thanks Ernie! 😊
Another great video keep the great work up
Thank you Michelle. 🙂
keeping setups simple...perfect!
👍
Who made those choronimods Rod? Would like to buy some. Thank you.
Beauty! Thanks.
Nice video Rod 🎣 👍. Only problem I have with strik indicator is , losing the pegs 😕. As they are not connected to the indicator .
Thanks Andy. The peg of these quick release strike indicators are threaded onto the line too, so it just slides down with the indicator on the line once they come apart.
Rod...Are some of the interior stocked lakes also populated with wild strains? If so, is there a way to know if a lake was sterile before it was stocked, and which lakes contain a 'mix' of wild and stocked trout?
Thanks man!
Hey rod! Thanks for the vid! Why are you using a swivel instead of a knot like double surgeons to connect leader and tippet? Isn't the swivel making it harder to cast and more risk to tangle in the air?
The only positive I'd see would be to prep flies on one end, loop knot on the other end, and use snap swivel for easier shift from a fly to the other
But I'm a Newby so I'd love your opinion haha
Yep you could also do that especially if you are using a short leader with a fixed indicator fishing in the shallows. There are two reasons that the swivel is used. One is so it prevents the indicator from sliding all the way down to the fly once it pops off while fighting a fish. Second is it acts as a tiny weight to get the fly down if you are fishing in 20ft of water. Sometimes we even add a little splitshot to just above the swivel. If the hatch is heavy and bite is on, you don't want to spend too much time waiting for the fly to reach the strike zone.
@@FishingwithRod sounds good !! Thanks !! :)
I didn't think of putting on a swivel. What size would work for that. Also would a snap swivel work to switch out tippets with different flies?
You could probably do that, which would save some time on tying new flies etc. You'd need a snap swivel, and each tippet would have its own swivel to connect to that snap swivel, so the only problem I see is that the hardware chain becomes longer and that may affect the casting. If the goal is just to catch fish, I'd say go for it, whatever works. I use swivels that are as small as possible. I use size 12.
Hi Rod, thanks for the content. After the initial fly is tied, do you do another bottom fly under it ~1ft? or do you just use a single fly in this setup?
That depends on where you are fishing. In BC, the tandem fly setup is in fact illegal, only one fly/hook is allowed on the line. :)
@@FishingwithRod Thanks so much for the reply! Looking forward to the future videos.
What size swivel rod? Something small enough to go through the first eyelet ?
As small as possible I guess, but why would it need to go through the first eyelet?
@@FishingwithRod I’d prefer it to fit through the eyelet, so you can fully rig up the reel with the leader and tippet. To store it that way so when you get to the lake you only have to put your reel on your rod and off you go.
@@colbyknowles7482 What about the indicator?
@@FishingwithRod I rigged it up last night and quickly learnt why 😂 yes the indicator ! Hahaha thanks !
@@colbyknowles7482 🤪 You had me so confused lol.
Did you just make this video to mock my latest venture at Pat? 🤣
Nicely done video helping people understand the complexities.
Of course! 🤣
What brand of strike indicators are you using?
I don't know actually. It's a pretty generic quick release one that I see everywhere and I usually just pick them from the bulk box at the store.
I'm confused about casting and the float stopper catching the eyes of the rod. How do you cast if your float stopper is at 15 or 20 feet up your line? Thanks
When you are casting, your entire leader (20 feet or so) has to be out of all the guides and a bit of the fly line will also be out as well. If not, you're no going to be able to cast the fly line out. Having 20 or so feet of line hanging out makes casting a lot more challenging for sure, and there are different tricks to manage that. We'll try to show that in another video.
Hey rod, can I ask, if using a 20 ft leader and going straight down from the boat, does the fly rod add any advantage over traditional gear with a fly on it?
There isn't any huge advantage really. Once it gets over 20ft deep, usually we switch to fly fishing with a fast sinking line, or just use spinning/baitcasting setups and drop the fly straight down. In fact, your depth control is probably better with this method than the indicator, because there's fair amount of swinging when the leader is that long if there's a bit of breeze or current. I have an episode from last spring showing us dropping it straight down with gear, I think we were anchoring at 25ft. th-cam.com/video/4Sxwxm6LhVo/w-d-xo.html
Awesome video
and extra 10-15 feet of tippet past the leader - how are you casting?
The entire leader + tippet is 20 to 25ft max. You do whatever works for you to get it out there, it’s actually a lot easier than you may think.
Thank! Where is the link for the fly?
Shoot, I don't know where that link went in the description, just added it back in there. www.flytyingforcescustomtiedflies.com
Awesome!
Thanks!
What size swivel is that?
10
Great video thanks 😊 👍 made simple and precise, very helpful.
What fly would you use in the same area in a Midsummer?
Chironomid patterns can still work in some lakes in the same area throughout the summer months. Take Tunkwa Lake for example, late July and early August there usually is a hatch of bigger chironomids known as bombers. Blood worms can be great too. There also could be mayfly and sedge hatches.
thanks
You're welcome!
Quick question. Why not just use a 6 pound leader? Then you wouldn't have to use swivel and tipet
A lengthy answer for a quick question. 😉 There are three reasons. One is that 6lb test leader is a lot harder to cast with than 12lb test leader at the end of the fly line, especially if it is 20 feet+. Beacuse you're pegging the indicator to the leader, you want something a bit thicker to avoid any abrasion which may lead to the line snapping. Lastly, the tippet isn't always 6lb test. Sometimes you have to switch to 8, or 10lb test if you are fishing in lakes where you have the potential of encountering much bigger fish.
Nice , like always , I hope , you will make another video about fly fishing on a spinning rod.
Ha , watching this video again , now I am a noob fly fisherman (finally , I have a fly rod ;) , will try to get any fish on a fly rod 🙂🙂
Awesome!
I would suggest if you don't mind Rod !!
That people get what they can afford at the time they are interested .
Learn the ART of Fly Fishing , Fly Tying and if your really Liking it go with the more pricey rigs.
Read , watch and learn the Sport , efficiency comes with lots of practice .
It does take patience , observation , research and lots of time on the water (that's the sweet part ) !
Yep the beauty of fly fishing is that you don't necessarily need to spend a lot of money to get started. More expensive or better gear can make it easier, but people can work their way up as they get more into it.
Going on a canoe trip to bowron lakes in a few months... rod coming in clutch
I feel like you can easily use a spinning set up that's going to be very similar. Since you're not even using a tapered leader to help you cast your fly.
Yep, you can do exactly just that and catch just as many fish. I've explained tha setup in this video from a few years ago:
th-cam.com/video/Mb14nMnIs4Y/w-d-xo.html
Awesome video, thank you!
This probably sounds mean, but why am I getting Jackie Chan vibes?
Clearly we're related. 😎
Thanks for watching, glad to hear you enjoyed it!
love how hes like just for a few hundred bucks, i mean unless your buying used. you'll end up spending $500 minimum on Canadian Tire rods, lines, indicator, and a variety of chronomids.
lol my bad, it can be quite a pricy investment, but I do believe you can get started pretty cheaply. An entry level fly rod and reel plus floating line can be purchased for a couple hundred dollars, sometimes even less. That's how I started too. They may not perform as well but can do the job.
Where’s the fly guy ???
The fly guy?
I troll with flies...I run between 80 to 120 plus behind the boat
👍
Whenever specifically trolling I use leadcore with a 40 to 100 ft leader
Don't forget folks . These are not meant to cast from shore unless it's a beautiful sandy beach . Most lakes in BC are lined with trees and brush causing snags in the trees and bush . Not fun. My setup is 1 x $150. rod and reel $120. on a decent float line . $500. pontoon boat and waiters ,fins. $250. on a decent Mustang vest life jacket . Or my go to machine is my 14 foot aluminum boat and motor $5000.
What's in your wallet : )
That's correct Mark. I'd just add that if people don't have a boat, they could try to do this on one of the floating docks which have been set up around Merritt and Kamloops (featured in the latest video). I'd say you can easily fly fish with the indicator from the dock at Marquart, Lodgepole, Stake, Edith.
Call bobber on a fly rod man kind of defeats the purpose of a fly rod I think the really good fly fisherman don't use indicators understand how to watch the knot
That’s good.
It’s mainly to control depth