Thanks for the video. If you ever decide to include other inductors as well, i will watch that video and make notes! I’ve been swapping inductors between wahs (like a halo from picture wah to later thomas organ cry baby and stack of dimes to picture wah) and while it does not transform the wah completely, it does something. These newer Dunlop inductors do not sound that different from red fasel, that i’ve noticed as well. I’ve never come accross vintage wah with fasel that was particularly appealing to me regardless of the colour of the fasel inductor. They all were meh, but i never pulled those apart to verify why they were meh. Worst of this kind was red that looked a bit different with 500mH stamped on it, that vox wah was lame.
Awesome stuff! It doesn’t surprise me that dunlops inductor is in-fact based on the inductor they used to use haha. Ty for this! Explains what I hear between red and yellow very succinctly :)
Thanks for the feedback. I have taken to doing testing like this because my ears are not 100% reliable when it comes to hearing "the differences" between things. But you can easily see them on an oscilloscope, and it's even better when you can see AND hear it.
I'm not insane. I am just curious, and question anything that is hyped up or misrepresented. That being said, if you're thinking about replacing the OEM Dunlop inductor, you might want to try the Yellow Fasel. That one is actually a bit different. You may not like it as much though... it's more mellow than the red one.
@@VegasCyclingFreak I meant "insane" as compliment BTW. I'm actually thinking about the pricier MC404 CAE wah that lets you switch between yellow and red. It's kind of nuts but I've found you just have to try them. I could buy that fancy CAE and not like it...
@@dannyblume6350 Just keep in mind that really the only reason an inductor is in the wah circuit is to make it a resonant circuit. You get much more dramatic effects by changing other things.
@@khan.tanvir There's plenty of websites detailing what to mod on wah pedals. Usually it revolves around the inductor, "sweep cap" or the pot, sometimes the transistors. You can go completely overboard making every resistor a trimpot, etc. I have several pages on wah pedals at my website - www.DIYguitarist.net if you want to check them out.
I happen to have the one with both the red and yellow Fasel´s in it, and there is quite a sound difference, where the red one sounds fuller and more ´vocal´. I also have a standard Cry Baby with the standard inductor. That one sounds thin and uninspiring, but that may be differences in the circuit and components. But according to your findings it should be possible to make the standard Cry Baby sound better by modding it.
If you use a yellow Fasel vs a red Fasel in a Dunlop wah pedal, it would in theory make it sound different, but maybe not better to your ears. I've used yellow Fasel in some of my DIY builds. Seems to be a bit more mellow, but a lot does depend on circuit topology. The gain of the transistors for example can have way more affect on the character of the sound than the inductor does. The purpose of the inductor in the classical inductor based wah circuit is simply to make it a resonant circuit. In my curve tracer tests the red Fasel and Dunlop inductors look the same on the curve tracer. I liked the "Fat Wah" mod I did to one of my Dunlops. I have a page on it at my website -- www.DIYguitarist.net if you want to check it out.
Thank you for the info you post. I am not sure but my guess is that by swapping the black/standard fasel out for the red fasel would be the exact same as buying the entire unit new. I am not positive though, but I think there isn't a huge amount of difference. I currently have a really old Dunlop Wah Wah unit I bought in the late 1980s that no longer works. The entire inside looks different than the one I modded here. I am not sure what I am going to do with this Wah unit yet but when I do I will make a much more detailed video as I learned a few things just from making this video and already know what mistakes not to make.
@@cygnals524 Does your 80s Crybaby have the TDK5103 inductor in it? Some webpages poo poo that inductor but my 80s Crybaby with the TDK5103 is one of my best sounding wah pedals. Subjective topic, I know. I just know that I don't like really harsh sounding wah pedals.
The old 60's & 70's red Fasels were torroidal wound instead of the typical winding on a Halo or stack of dimes type. I have a '67 red Fasel & can verify that. I opened up a new red Dunlop Fasel & found the same torroidal winding.
A while back the cover came off mine and it looks to me like it's just enameled wire wound on a bobbin which is placed inside of two ferrite cups. I took a picture of it. www.diyguitarist.net/Images/FaselVintage.jpg
@@VegasCyclingFreak Mine is a 1967 Fasel that came in an Italian made Top Logo Crybaby. I pried off the cup the other night & it sure as shit has a torroid core. It's a cherry red cover with cherry red back plate instead of a white back plate. The later 60's & early 70's red Fasels I've seen all have the white back covers. It looks like there are 2 different versions of vintage red fasels.
@@VegasCyclingFreak Yeah, yours doesn't look much different than a stack of dimes or the inductor that's inside the TDK 5103 brown cube! I got ahold of an original small hole Halo inductor & put in in my Crybaby & two nights ago I put the red Fasel in a board I built for a 90's VOX 847.
@@VegasCyclingFreak What's your email address? I can send a pic of mine. I had to mount it laying down due to height clearance issues but you can still see the red rear backing plate especially where the two soldering lugs come out of it. Now I'm thinking I should just put it back on the original board in the Crybaby because it might be something even more rare than I thought.
@@VegasCyclingFreak I'm just late night shit posting but I do make pickups (same concept) and I'd be curious to know whether the "magic" is just the same old "vintage tolerance was all over the place" shlock. Inductance and capacitance will vary with wire tolerance and wind tension and wire insulation material and thickness etc etc. Not a wah expert either but surely any modulation effect is a sum of its parts not just one or two components? The HFE and bias on the transistor emitters for example.. can be fine tuned and will make as significant a difference to the effect as the inductor ever could. I doubt they bothered from the factory. Pots were set "wherever" stock. With no significant voltage swing all those carbon composite (super magic special shitgold that they aren't) add is noise.. And on .. what about the dielectric of the filter caps? ESR, leakage etc. The polarized electrolytic "4.7uf" probably had a 25-50% tolerance to begin with in 1975. It all matters. Good news, I guess, is that the wah really is a very simple thing. Its not like its going to be expensive to fine tune.
@@cgavin1 I’ve made many similar posts at forums over the years. You have to look at the entire picture, just like you need to do with guitar pickups. The saturation in the Fasel inductor apparently has to do mostly with the ferrite. Different types of ferrite do have an affect on the amount of saturation. Inductors are designed NOT to saturate and it appears that in the case of the Fasel it’s an artifact of Vox trying to be cheap.
@@VegasCyclingFreak Same deal with those old Gibson PAFs. The alnico formulas used were all over the place. The copper wire they used was full of impurities and the coatings broke down causing parasitic capacitance. The coil winders they used were hand operated with no automatic cut off. The magnetic tensioners were set to "yes" etc etc. All because .. cheap! 🤣
@cgavin1 I can't quite describe it the way I would like to or in a manner that can do it proper justice but I can notice a huge difference between the original/standard/black fasel compared to the red fasel. Supposedly the only reason they stopped using the red fasel was due to the material for it was difficult to obtain if I remember correctly.
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Thanks for the video. If you ever decide to include other inductors as well, i will watch that video and make notes! I’ve been swapping inductors between wahs (like a halo from picture wah to later thomas organ cry baby and stack of dimes to picture wah) and while it does not transform the wah completely, it does something. These newer Dunlop inductors do not sound that different from red fasel, that i’ve noticed as well.
I’ve never come accross vintage wah with fasel that was particularly appealing to me regardless of the colour of the fasel inductor. They all were meh, but i never pulled those apart to verify why they were meh. Worst of this kind was red that looked a bit different with 500mH stamped on it, that vox wah was lame.
Awesome stuff! It doesn’t surprise me that dunlops inductor is in-fact based on the inductor they used to use haha.
Ty for this! Explains what I hear between red and yellow very succinctly :)
Thanks for the feedback. I have taken to doing testing like this because my ears are not 100% reliable when it comes to hearing "the differences" between things. But you can easily see them on an oscilloscope, and it's even better when you can see AND hear it.
Thank you for being insane enough to do this and make the video. I am insane enough to watch the whole thing and I salute you!
I'm not insane. I am just curious, and question anything that is hyped up or misrepresented. That being said, if you're thinking about replacing the OEM Dunlop inductor, you might want to try the Yellow Fasel. That one is actually a bit different. You may not like it as much though... it's more mellow than the red one.
@@VegasCyclingFreak I meant "insane" as compliment BTW. I'm actually thinking about the pricier MC404 CAE wah that lets you switch between yellow and red. It's kind of nuts but I've found you just have to try them. I could buy that fancy CAE and not like it...
@@dannyblume6350 Just keep in mind that really the only reason an inductor is in the wah circuit is to make it a resonant circuit. You get much more dramatic effects by changing other things.
@@VegasCyclingFreak:: Which other things? Please make some tutorials to enlighten us.
Thanks a lot in advance! ❤️🎸🎵🎶🎼💝
@@khan.tanvir There's plenty of websites detailing what to mod on wah pedals. Usually it revolves around the inductor, "sweep cap" or the pot, sometimes the transistors. You can go completely overboard making every resistor a trimpot, etc. I have several pages on wah pedals at my website - www.DIYguitarist.net if you want to check them out.
I happen to have the one with both the red and yellow Fasel´s in it, and there is quite a sound difference, where the red one sounds fuller and more ´vocal´. I also have a standard Cry
Baby with the standard inductor. That one sounds thin and uninspiring, but that may be differences in the circuit and components. But according to your findings it should be possible
to make the standard Cry Baby sound better by modding it.
If you use a yellow Fasel vs a red Fasel in a Dunlop wah pedal, it would in theory make it sound different, but maybe not better to your ears. I've used yellow Fasel in some of my DIY builds. Seems to be a bit more mellow, but a lot does depend on circuit topology. The gain of the transistors for example can have way more affect on the character of the sound than the inductor does. The purpose of the inductor in the classical inductor based wah circuit is simply to make it a resonant circuit. In my curve tracer tests the red Fasel and Dunlop inductors look the same on the curve tracer. I liked the "Fat Wah" mod I did to one of my Dunlops. I have a page on it at my website -- www.DIYguitarist.net if you want to check it out.
@@VegasCyclingFreak Thanks for your feedback 🙂
Thank you for the info you post. I am not sure but my guess is that by swapping the black/standard fasel out for the red fasel would be the exact same as buying the entire unit new. I am not positive though, but I think there isn't a huge amount of difference. I currently have a really old Dunlop Wah Wah unit I bought in the late 1980s that no longer works. The entire inside looks different than the one I modded here. I am not sure what I am going to do with this Wah unit yet but when I do I will make a much more detailed video as I learned a few things just from making this video and already know what mistakes not to make.
@@cygnals524 Does your 80s Crybaby have the TDK5103 inductor in it? Some webpages poo poo that inductor but my 80s Crybaby with the TDK5103 is one of my best sounding wah pedals. Subjective topic, I know. I just know that I don't like really harsh sounding wah pedals.
@@VegasCyclingFreak I am honestly not sure, it may possibly be an early 1990s as well I am not 100% sure. I am checking now
Cool, please test cheap vs expensive humbuckers next
Sorry man, I am a Strat guy and only use single coil these days. Eventually I will get another guitar with a humbucker in it but not for a long time.
great video....greetings from argentina well done !
@carlosiglesias9282 Thank you my friend!!
The old 60's & 70's red Fasels were torroidal wound instead of the typical winding on a Halo or stack of dimes type. I have a '67 red Fasel & can verify that. I opened up a new red Dunlop Fasel & found the same torroidal winding.
A while back the cover came off mine and it looks to me like it's just enameled wire wound on a bobbin which is placed inside of two ferrite cups. I took a picture of it.
www.diyguitarist.net/Images/FaselVintage.jpg
@@VegasCyclingFreak Mine is a 1967 Fasel that came in an Italian made Top Logo Crybaby. I pried off the cup the other night & it sure as shit has a torroid core. It's a cherry red cover with cherry red back plate instead of a white back plate.
The later 60's & early 70's red Fasels I've seen all have the white back covers. It looks like there are 2 different versions of vintage red fasels.
@@VegasCyclingFreak Yeah, yours doesn't look much different than a stack of dimes or the inductor that's inside the TDK 5103 brown cube!
I got ahold of an original small hole Halo inductor & put in in my Crybaby & two nights ago I put the red Fasel in a board I built for a 90's VOX 847.
@@markmarshall7939 Huh . That is something I was not aware of! Two different versions of the "vintage" red Fasel. Who knew?
@@VegasCyclingFreak What's your email address? I can send a pic of mine. I had to mount it laying down due to height clearance issues but you can still see the red rear backing plate especially where the two soldering lugs come out of it. Now I'm thinking I should just put it back on the original board in the Crybaby because it might be something even more rare than I thought.
Never understood the fetishism for old Fasel inductors. Its literally just a 500mh coil of wire. Its not friggin magic is it?
Well they do exhibit a bit of saturation but I don’t know that I or anyone else can actually truly hear that. 🤷🏻♂️
@@VegasCyclingFreak I'm just late night shit posting but I do make pickups (same concept) and I'd be curious to know whether the "magic" is just the same old "vintage tolerance was all over the place" shlock. Inductance and capacitance will vary with wire tolerance and wind tension and wire insulation material and thickness etc etc. Not a wah expert either but surely any modulation effect is a sum of its parts not just one or two components? The HFE and bias on the transistor emitters for example.. can be fine tuned and will make as significant a difference to the effect as the inductor ever could. I doubt they bothered from the factory. Pots were set "wherever" stock. With no significant voltage swing all those carbon composite (super magic special shitgold that they aren't) add is noise..
And on .. what about the dielectric of the filter caps? ESR, leakage etc. The polarized electrolytic "4.7uf" probably had a 25-50% tolerance to begin with in 1975. It all matters. Good news, I guess, is that the wah really is a very simple thing. Its not like its going to be expensive to fine tune.
@@cgavin1 I’ve made many similar posts at forums over the years. You have to look at the entire picture, just like you need to do with guitar pickups. The saturation in the Fasel inductor apparently has to do mostly with the ferrite. Different types of ferrite do have an affect on the amount of saturation. Inductors are designed NOT to saturate and it appears that in the case of the Fasel it’s an artifact of Vox trying to be cheap.
@@VegasCyclingFreak Same deal with those old Gibson PAFs. The alnico formulas used were all over the place. The copper wire they used was full of impurities and the coatings broke down causing parasitic capacitance. The coil winders they used were hand operated with no automatic cut off. The magnetic tensioners were set to "yes" etc etc. All because .. cheap! 🤣
@cgavin1 I can't quite describe it the way I would like to or in a manner that can do it proper justice but I can notice a huge difference between the original/standard/black fasel compared to the red fasel. Supposedly the only reason they stopped using the red fasel was due to the material for it was difficult to obtain if I remember correctly.
do i have to be on mars ? how does this relate to biking?
I have more interests than just bikes