Question Time Stamps for Quick Reference: 0:00 - Intro 1. 0:07 {A Difficult Bible Contradiction} Can you please explain 1 Corinthians 14: 22-24? Verse 22 states that tongues are a sign for unbelievers, and prophecy is for believers. But vv. 23 and 24 then go on to seemingly describe the exact opposite. 2. 27:09 {John Rejects but Jesus Affirms?} How should we understand John's rejection of being Elijah and a prophet (John 1: 21), while Jesus affirmed it (Matthew 11: 14)? 3. 34:42 {Debates on the Canon} What do we do with some of the earliest listed Bible canons and church fathers that exclude Esther and include Sirach and Wisdom of Solomon? 4. 39:47 {Are Easier Translations Unwise?} I struggle reading word for word translations of the Bible like the ESV. I love the NLT for its simple vocabulary and how easy it is to understand. Is it unwise to use the NLT to memorize and study from? 5. 41:56 {Proper Interpretation of a Common Passage} What are your thoughts on 1 Corinthians 6: 19? I hear people use this Scripture to call anything they don’t like sin (tattoos, drugs, junk food, etc.). But it seems it’s mostly about sexual immorality. 6. 52:36 {Are We Still Made in God’s Image?} Can you explain Genesis 5:1-3? Why is it different with the birth of Seth? Are we still God’s image bearers? 7. 56:10 {Is “Déjà Vu” a Biblical Concept?} What are your thoughts on Deja Vu and are there any examples of it in the Bible? I've definitely had times where I had the feeling of being somewhere before when it was the first time being there. 8. 1:01:02 {Are Eating Challenges Sinful?} Could you talk a little on what is and is not gluttony? Is it just eating more than you need to, or is there more involved (i.e., eating challenges)? 9. 1:07:38 {When Competition turns Sinful} How do I know when my competitiveness is sinful? I coach baseball and want to ensure I'm providing the right model of competition for the players, while also still being as competitive as possible. 10. 1:10:29 {“Apostasy” = “Departed”?} I've heard that the word translated "apostasy" in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 can also be translated as "departed," as in "the end will not come until the departing (rapture) comes first." Do you think this is true?
Good thing God made it all so difficult or we'd be helping the poor instead of trying to figure all this out! But he wanted to keep us busy to be nice.
@@junk3996 ummm it's literally 700,000 words, mostly about how to properly slaughter animals and how it's ok to beat your slaves and how its' good to kill your enemies even if they're babies, and how God regretted making us and wanted to kill us all. It's man who has to take that mess and somehow come out with "it all means he loves us".
Thank you for your efforts, all your time and words of faith and Truth, God bless. Prayers for all our brothers and sisters in need, may Jesus Christ bless you. From New Zealand.
I really struggle with things like tongues and prophecies, I have seen far too many people hurt by charlatans and false prophets. Cases where tongues seem to still be around is when someone hears their native language spoken, but when it’s just gobbledegook I struggle to see how that’s helpful. Idk, this is something I’ve been praying about because in truth I’m a deeply cynical and skeptical man, but I am nonetheless grateful to God for meeting me where I was and leading me to Him. Im also really thankful for mikes messages and videos, they have been a huge help
I grew up on the NLT for my teenage years and it did mess with my theology. For example, in Hebrews 6 the NLT reads: Surely we don’t need to start again with the fundamental importance of repenting from "evil deeds" and placing our faith in God. Whereas the literal translation is "dead works". Now when you get to Heb 6:6, the difference between dead works and evil deeds couldn't be more important. In general the NLT has a very heavy "prove you're saved by stopping sinning" bent. As an example, every time the new testament says "repent" the NLT interpolates "repent (of your sins)". And in the cases in the old testament where God is said to repent (and we all know God's repentance could not be from sin), instead of saying so the NLT chooses to replace the word with "He was sorry". Therefore I was led to believe that repentance was inexorably tied to "quitting sin", and if I failed to do so I hadn't repented adequately to be saved. My church still uses the NLT to help those with poor reading comprehension, and I will never leave because of it. But I do point out the theological bias when I can so others are not harmed as I was.
Works from faith and not dead works (pride leading to pride or conceived from pride). It is indeed dead works, and dead works are sin. I love the NLT and the NiRV but it is not my "base". I will use NIV, ESV, NASB to start with. Also the NET.
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr yes, you are correct in a way. It is his Righteousness but it is worst than that, death is not final. Death is in a rubbish bin where it never ends. Thus without understanding his Righteousness, we cannot understand his Love, which is conditional not unconditional. It is his love that mercy has been given unconditionally
Just want to say a thank you to God for speaking through Mike. I have never come across someone who swung heavily toward the liberty side until I started a chat on a YT video. This person believed it so hard with no limits that, having never heard it before, I reached out to my church brothers to ask them if I completely missed something in the gospels. I know it wasnt one of the questions but so glad Mike addressed this.
It's funny to me how I had this on my watch later list for a while now. And then our pastor was speaking about the topic of spiritual gifts and speaking in times etc. This weekend and of course this chapter came up and so when I was reading it I literally thought the same thing as the person who wrote in this question and it confused me as well. But I just kind of went on. Fast forward a couple of hours later when I come in the kitchen to do dishes and I thought oh I'll play this video now and then it's about the same passage that I just was reading and was confused about as well😂❤
In the OT, prophets were God's messengers (See the prophet's message to David after his fall) In the NT, we all have access to the Holy Spirit, our intercessor - so when we're not hearing God through the Holy Spirit, He will send a prophet to ensure we hear
I've personally never been too concerned about when the rapture will occur as much as that it will occur. Besides apostasy, the worst that can happen to us in Great Tribulation is we physically die, which is what we've been doing since creation. And it seems quite evident that we don't need a Great Tribulation to die a horrible and evil death, so it seems we should want to endure till the end regardless of how or when that end comes.
These verses are not contradictions at all. If you have had the opportunity to work among people who you can't communicate to in their language, that is when the spirit enables you to speak in a tongue that shocks your audience. On the day of Pentecost we saw this. When we are together in an intercessory mode all communicating with God in the spirit by talking in tongues, the unbeliever who is ignorant may think you are mad. So the scenarios are different. It becomes a sign to the unbelievers if strangely you speak their language which you did not know before. It sounds madness if they come into your midst while praying or speaking on tongues. This is simple to explain. Paul addressed both scenarios.
For 1 Corinthians 14:22, I think this sign of judgment from prophesy is not judgment against the believers, but that judgment is coming so believers need to make sure that they themselves are ready and they need to spread the gospel to save others from the prophesied judgment. Since belivers believe in this judgment, then that should motivate them to go and win souls. It's not for unbelievers because they don't believe in prophesy or upcoming judgment
Nobody can "win souls" because it's not up to them to decide who becomes a part of God's Church. God does the converting and the adding. Jhn 6 says that NOBODY can come to Christ on their own volition. The Father has to open the person's mind to the truth and call them before that happens. Christ said that the gospel would be preached _as a witness_ against this world. The object hasn't been to convert the whole world.
Prophecy Is speaking truth of what Jesus fulfilled We are to strenghten our hearts with Grace Truth edifies Believers And concicts unbelieves that they dont have grace As it is strange alien to them
I never really had a problem with this area of Scripture, i e., seeing it as contradictory. When you put it in its entire context, when Paul mentions unbelievers coming in and thinking they were mad, etc., he is speaking the context of how they were using tongues, which was likely much like it looks today, babbling like toddlers and competing with each other. When Paul goes on to explain that prophesy would be a sign to them in that situation, I think he bares in mind the Day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit first fell on the disciples then made apostles. Their utterances were understood by various dialects. And what were they saying? Prophesy. They were speaking things that these people understood to be prophesy. Perhaps it was more parsonal with each of them than we can actually glean from the text. But when I consider my own experience with God prophesying over my life or me to another, it would tend to be very personal, addressing things only we knew I our hearts or such as I've experiencedI had with a lady who prophesied my past, present, and future. I'm saying all if this before I continue the video because I'm curious to see if our conclusions might meet up some where. Love your videos. You are so genuine and humble in your approach. You clearly have the gift of teaching. Blessings brother!
It is in the context of Isaiah 28. Those people (who love their precepts and precepts) who love their rules but unable to see the truth. Tongues or actually languages were uttered to them, by people foreign to them. Note! They can the understand the languages. Tongues were used against them. In the context of the congregation, tongues were not spoken such that the unbelievers could understand. When the Spirit uses “tongues” - languages , spoken publicly it was used as a sign. This text assumes that the Corinthians understood the context of Isaiah 28. But the church of Corinthians are using tongues to pray … that is not a sign for unbelievers (Public speaking of foreign languages are for unbelievers because they can understand it. So they should not use it publicly. Possibly “tongues” should be translated as language. Nowadays Anyway most people are probably babbling and deceiving themselves.
Prophesy edifies the believers and, so, it serves --or is for--believers. That's what 1 Corinthians 14:22 says in the Greek. It doesn't say that it's a sign for believers. It says that tongues are a sign for unbelievers, and prophesy is for (other translations put "serves") believers. Prophesy in 1 Corinthians 14 is just regular teaching within the Church. The word that is translated prophesy in the New Testament, "προφητεύω" (propheteuo), means simply to speak forth. Sometimes this is telling the future, but most often it is just speaking forth the message from God concerning the present or the past. This is why some instances of prophesying in the Old Testament were just speaking from God, not about the future. And, speaking in tongues in this passage is speaking other earthly languages (most likely Hebrew, according to some scholars, which would have been largely unknown to the people at the church at Corinth).
Mike, Questions bible-reader protestants cannot answer: 1. Why did john the Baptist send his disciples to ask the Lord if he was the true Messiah? 2. Why did the Lord call his mother, Woman? 3. If Jesus did not have sin, with no need for baptism, why was he baptized in the river Jordan? 4. Where in the bible says that John 6:53 is symbolic? 5. If it is literal, why did he allow a large multitude to o deepart from him Him. John6:66. There are many more... The Catholic church does have answers to every aparent contradicting question in the bible
On question #2, John himself didn’t realize the role he had. In the spirit he knew Jesus was the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world, and he was unworthy to cary the sandals of Jesus. Yet when he was imprison he sent his followers to ask Jesus if he was in fact the one promised, or if another should be expected. Jesus responds telling them to tell John of the miracles they are seeing done (implying that he will understand that he is the one that was promised). Thus Jesus is correct and John was the promised Elijah (which John didn’t even understand at the time), and Jesus was the one who was promised. His identity He maintained veiled until the resurrection. The disciples were to understand to NOT look for another, but to understand Jesus was the promised one to come and the prophecy was in fact fulfilled. It wouldn’t make sense to think it replies to a second coming, since that will be a surprise to all and no one will know the time when he comes to judge the world and deliver his kingdom to the Father (1 cor 15).
In Matt. 17:10-11, Christ was referring to the _end-time_ Elijah that Isaiah and Malachi prophesied about. John the Baptizer didn't restore anything. He was also imprisoned and martyred by the time Christ told the disciples that he was a type of Elijah. Christ's point was that ppl in the last days were going to reject the end-time Elijah just as surely as John was rejected. John the Baptizer knew he was a type of Elijah(Jhn 1:19-23), so it wasn't a mystery to him.
The Bible clearly details that speaking and tongues means that you were speaking in a language that someone else around you speaks. An example would be…. let’s say you only speak English, and you enter a church where the people there do not speak English. The gifts of tongues would allow you to speak in their language so they can understand. It isn’t some language nobody has ever heard of, or nonsensical gibberish that allegedly came from God - if you’re speaking nonsense in gibberish, no one gonna be able to interpret that, and that’s one of the conditions of speaking tongues. Someone will be there to interpret the words you’re saying.
I don’t see it as a contradiction at all. If you speak in a language you don’t normally speak then that is amazing. It’s a sign to people. Paul also said that if there is speaking in tongues then let 2 or 3 speak. 1 Corinthians 14. If all speak in tongues then there is no interpreter and Paul also call that clanging cymbals. It’s nonsense. So tongues is a sign for a nonbeliever if it’s practiced correctly. Now if a person walks in and hears prophecy and they are like “oh wow, that’s true” that is a better sign for an unbeliever than a bunch of people babbling with no interpretation
MIKE!!! You said in one of your Q&A's that you plan to do a verse-by-verse study through Hebrews. Are you still planning to do that and any idea when? 😃😃😃
About 7 years ago an Egyptian man walked into church. A person stood up and spoke in tongues then sat down. We waited for a response of interpretation but it didn't come immediately so we sang the next song. The Egyptian man approached the Pastor after the service. The message was spoken in Egyptian Arabic. It communicated that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh and the only Way to reconcile with God. This skeptic gave his life to God because of this very personal message. One of my favourite testimonies 🤗
Praise the Lord. And that is exactly the difference between Acts 2 (speaking in tongues of men) and 1 Corinnthians 14 (speaking in strange tongues). Acts 2 and 1 Corinthians 14 are Not the same thing.
That’s crazy. I remember similar experiences and when people are legitimately speaking in tongues it’s strange/cool. You can really tell it’s another actual language is nuts.
@MikeWinger I'm 33 now. When I was around 15 years old I started to question Christianity because of the actions of some of my Christian family members. My family broke apart and I wanted nothing more than my relationship with my mother to be restored to a time that I felt like she loved me. I started searching for god through other means (aliens and whatever else) Until one day I was invited to church by my grandmother. The pastor was preaching when all of a sudden a lady stood up and interrupted the service. She said words that i will never forget. Words that i can only explain by saying that i felt them more than I heard them, but i did hear them. The lady said "Do not worry about your life. I will be your mother." Overwhelmed and shocked! I turned to my grandmother and asked her if she heard what the lady had said. My grandmother turned to me and said "honey, she didnt say anything, she was speaking in tongues" my life has never been the same. Ive had a foundation because of this that has kept me, even through my unbelief. Praise God.
I'm going through your Bible contradiction series from a while back and I've gotta say thank you so much. I thank God for those videos. They helped me tremendously in a desperate time.
@mikewinger my dad pastors a small church in Everglades City, Florida. We get a lot of snow birds that come down during the winter season. We had a couple that visited who ONLY spoke German (with very little English). My dad does not speak German at all. They visited on a Sunday evening and after the service my dad went to shake their hands and greet them. With broken English they said they understood EVERYTHING that was said. The only think we can contribute it to is to the Holy Spirit translating. It was one of the most awesome things I've ever witnessed.
I knew an old lady, the mother of friends, who was a member of a northern Canadian tribe. She spoke almost no English, but her family was always amazed that, after church, which was in English, she could discuss what was said in the sermon in detail. It was the same in other churches. She said "If the Holy Spirit is there, He will tell me what it means". Once, after the friends moved away, she came to visit and went to their church. Their pastor was not all they hoped for. After church, they asked the mother how she enjoyed the service. She answered, "I didn't understand what he was saying."
This is the true gift of tongues. The gifts are for edifying others and witnessing not to make ourselves feel emotionally elated. I do believe in the use of the gifts today but they are just that gifts.
Wrong. You realize languages are fluid and change every trendy month right? Bottom line, you are speaking TO the LORD. It says..tongues are a sign of the unbeliever but also the unlearned. If you think speaking in tongues is ‘madness’ you are in common belief with the unbelievers
@@9432515 I didn't say speaking in tongues is madness. I said. The mindless babbling you hear in some churches today isn't speaking in tongues. It's meant to be an actual language that someone can understand. Otherwise, what's the point
@@9432515Yes of course language is fluid but it's always coherent - Always! Babbling is not the same as the evolution of modern languages. Your argument is a classic non sequitur.
Dr. Chuck Missler taught me how important John (the baptizer😉) was, both in the context you’re (Mike) speaking about - *his* quote when he first saw Jesus - “Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world” - and then what Jesus said about John after that. Another amazing teacher, I didn’t even know Chuck existed until about 2020 and he had already passed away in 2018! His wisdom, the materials he left behind, are such a blessing. Thanks Mike, you’re an excellent pastor/teacher!
Matthew 11:2,3 now when John had heard in the prison the works of Christ ( John is now imprisoned and discouraged ) he sent two of his diciples. 3 and said unto Him, are you He who should come, or do we look for another? Doubt is nemesis of Faith, and plagues every Christian at one time or another.)
Mike, thanks for the time that you take to help others understand the Bible and think Biblically. I'm a Vineyard pastor (I think that you spent time in our movement at one point) that appreciates you speaking truth even when it's not popular.
When the KJ Bible was written in the 1600’s the dictionary definition of tongues ment language.ex.The nations of the world speaks many different tongues
RE QUESTION 10 (APOSTASY) The Greek noun ἀποστασία (apostasia) can be translated as "depart' but never in the spatial sense. In 2 Thessalonians 2:3, Acts 21:21, and throughout the Septuagint, it always means rebellion or defection. It has nothing to do with a pre-tribulation rapture. The same word with the same sense is found in: • Septuagint of _Jeremiah_ 2:19; _Job_ 22:22; _2 Chronicles_ 29:19; _1 Maccabees_ 2:15 • Cassius Dio Cocceianus, _Historiae Romanae_ 63.22, 63.24 • Flavius Josephus, _The Wars of the Jews_ 7.82, _The Life of Flavius Josephus_ 43 • Plutarch, _Galba_ 1.5, _Mulierum Virtutes_ 16, • Eusebius of Caesarea, _Historia Ecclesiastica_ 1.5, 4.6, 5.28, 6.45, 7.24 • Julian the Emperor, _Contra Galilaeos_ 235 • Basil of Caesarea, _Epistulae_ 139, 233, 243, 264 There isn't a single reference to ἀποστασία (apostasia) being used in a spatial sense anywhere in ancient literature. Had Paul intended his audience to understand that he meant a physical departure, he would have used a noun that was widely recognized as having that meaning, such as ἔξοδος (exodos) or ἀνάλυσις (analusis) - see Luke 9:31 and 2 Timothy 4:6, respectively. What pre-tribbers are arguing for is that Paul used ἀποστασία (apostasia) in a way none of his audience would have recognized. In doing so, they render Paul unintelligible. Contrary to what some pre-tribbers claim, the addition of the definite article in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 [i.e. ἡ ἀποστασία (hē apostasia)] doesn't suddenly give the word a spatial sense, either - as anyone familiar with its ancient usage would know. All the article does is to particularise it. The rebellion/defection sense of ἀποστασία (apostasia) is confirmed in works such as _Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words,_ ('fall', p.223, 'forsake', p.253) and _A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature_ [BDAG] ('ἀποστασία', p.120).
what they're doing is reaching for anything to try to justify their belief, unfortunately. completely ignoring so many other words, factors, verses and focusing on one tiny thing they want to translate or mean a certain way so that their belief of a pre-tribulation "rapture" is justified. it really just demonstrates a massive ignorance, or misunderstanding, about several other things in scripture. EG what the day of the Lord is, etc. again, unfortunately, its usually in ignorance (as in a lack of knowledge, not knowing) because of what is taught and learned usually at a young age and never actually challenged. so many things in our lives take this form, of just taking it for granted and assuming its true the other thing is, scripture is never in a vacuum either. and in 2 thess it speaking about the "rebellion" or a massive event of apostacy has supporting scripture in Matt 24:12 where the "agape" love of many will grow cold, speaking of their love for God.
Very strong points! I am going to copy and paste to study these sources. What do you think of the theory that the Roman Catholic church created the "pre-tribulation/secret rapture" doctrine to elimate the Church from possibly be labeled as the Antichrist by the protestant movement??
@@ThePerpetualStudent The history of the pre-tribulation rapture teaching shows it not to be of RCC origin. Claims to the contrary are just an anti-papist conspiracy theory with no supporting evidence.
Hey Mike, Dr. Andy Woods wrote a very short booklet called "The Falling Away - Spiritual Departure or Physical Rapture?" Might be worth taking a look at to see what you make of his 10 arguments.
I haven't heard your offerings yet, but the way I've always understood that passage "all" is the key. The former says tongues are for unbelievers and prophecy is for believers. The latter seems to be a warning against everyone speaking in tongues at the same exact time, but if you're united in the spirit, and there are unbelievers amongst you, prophesy instead. So, I always understood the former to be for more personal settings and the latter for gatherings where believers are united in the Holy Spirit.
This is where I have landed also. "ALL" is key. And it is fitting that the very next passage is about orderly worship and speaking a few at a time. Yes, tongues are a sign for unbelievers, but if an unbeliever shows up to your church and you are all shouting over eachother in uninterpreted tongues then they don't act toward that purpose.
Its important we understand the purpose of tongues and prophecy because there isn't a shred of plausible evidence in scripture that the gifts have ceased.
Yup, because the gifts have not ceased. That's why--and millions of others--speak in tongues every day. And we see instantaneous healing miracles, and prophecies, etc.
The Holy Spirit dwells in the church of christ since 33AD! He protects, defends, cares for, and leads her to all truth! The Holy Spirit moved the Church to give the world the bible in 382AD!!! Acts 5:38-39! That was 2000 years ago!!!
@@davido3026 hmm... You could say 382 AD as far as when church leaders all convened and agreed on the canon. But of course the Holy Spirit gave us all of the books of Bible before the end of the first century. (And even that was less than 2000 years ago.) :)
I was an overweight child and fluctuate din my teens. At 22 I got serious about my health and lost 40 pounds and have kept it off for 10 years. Gluttony is something I’ve wanted to address and start some type of ministry in our church involving getting healthy to honor the Lord but I have no idea how to approach that. I fear really hurting peoples feelings.
Don’t fear that you hurt people’s feelings. Sometimes to show love or concern to people you have to make them take a look at themselves, even if it breaks their esteem a bit. Be strong.
If you haven’t already, you may be surprised to learn that being overweight is not always a sign that someone is gluttonous. Other things can always be at play. Seek to understand and to inspire.
Talk to your pastor about starting a "Let's Get Fit and Healthy" class. Everyone can benefit from learning about healthy eating and exercise and we all no it'd not a "one size" fits off solution. You have a testimony and you can use it to help people live a healthier lifestyle.
Conviction hurts feelings, but is still important. Some sins are extremely minimized generally in the church which makes ministries focused on them important. I don’t struggle much with gluttony, but with slothfulness. I would have loved a ministry that helped me with that earlier in my walk that was biblically focused, so I say go for it. There are tons of diet/health focused stuff out there, but not much biblically-based and focused more on the heart than just behavior and numbers.
Whoa!! Gods timing is perfect ❤ I hadn’t listened to one of your live questions videos for about 3 months. On my way to work this morning, I looked you up and clicked on your most recent. A bunch of us from a Baptist church went to a Pentecostal revival a couple of weeks ago. My first time being in a Pentecostal church and a lot of us were like deer in headlights with things their congregation was doing during the alter call. We had soooo many questions and judgments if I’m being honest… so we plan to do a Bible study on 1 Corinthians 12,13 & 14, on Wednesday, May 8th 2024. So the timing of this first question is just perfect. Our God is not a God of confusion. Thank you for your wisdom Mike!! I’ve already shared this video with my pastor.
Definitions needed: 1) Prophesy - To tell or forecast future events 2) Prophesy - To preach or tell the Gospel 3) Tongues - Languages 4) Tongues - The act of speaking the Gospel and having recipients of other languages hear it in the native language 5) Tongues - Unruly outbursts in modern churches So, depending on which definitions are applied, the discussions become much different. When Paul speaks of an interpreter, I believe he is speaking of item 3 above. Interpreters are required so that the message is properly delivered to those in attendance. He also warns against varied and undecipherable languages being spoken together to prevent confusion and bad witnessing. In all of scripture, there is only one use of tongues like item 4 above. At the day of Pentecost, there was no interpreter. Every participant or person nearby heard the preaching in their native tongue. This was a supernatural miracle to disperse the Gospel throughout the world. Today's tongues is often item 5 above. It is not for the spreading of the Gospel, nor for the building up of the body, but rather for personal entertainment and to attempt to demonstrate one's "fulfilling". Isn't it interesting that the Apostles began to preach with no concept nor plan for tongues. They simply proclaimed the truth. In flight, God delivered the message of the Gospel to each recipient. Now, if in your local body, there are visitors from some far away land and someone preaches or declares the Gospel in their primary language and the visitors receive and understand the preaching, then God is once more executing the miracle of tongues.
Neither of your 'prophecy' definitions matches what we find in Scripture. There, true prophecy is shown to be a message God has revealed to the prophet that is to be told to the intended recipient(s). It has nothing to do with preaching the Gospel and no necessary connection with foretelling the future. Likewise, none of your 'tongues' definitions fit what Scripture describes 'tongues' as being, which is: • a human or angelic language (1 Corinthians 13:1) • spoken to God (1 Corinthians 14:2, 14-16, 28) • not known to the speaker (1 Corinthians 14:2, 14) • unless interpreted, edifies the speaker alone (1 Corinthians 14:4) • not ordinarily intelligible to others (1 Corinthians 14:2-5, 9-11, 16), but can be (Acts 2:11).
@@Berean_with_a_BTh Interesting. "true prophecy is shown to be a message God has revealed to the prophet that is to be told to the intended recipient(s)." Pray tell, how does that not fit into numbers 1 and 2 above? Receive message from God, tell message to others. Does the message not contain future events, His plans, or how great God is (i.e. the Gospel)? Your first bullet "human or angelic language" matches number 3 in my list pretty closely. Your second bullet matches number 3 pretty closely. 1 Cor 14 is an interesting passage. However, it can be read fairly literally as languages. Verse 2 is saying that if someone speaks, and no one knows what he is saying because of the language barrier, he can still communicate with God and worship in the Spirit. Similarly in verse 4, if someone speaks in a language no one else understands, he can uplift himself and communicate with God, but only for himself. Verse 14 revisits the same concept of only one person benefitting when an unknown language is used.
@@bogusphone8000 Your definitions fail because you allow false inclusions and, even where true, are only partly so. As for your claim that tongues includes languages, you clearly don't know NT Greek, which uses γλῶσσα (glóssa) for tongue and διάλεκτος (dialektos) for language. They are clearly differentiated in Acts 2:4-8, where the disciples were praising and glorifying God in tongues but being heard by the onlookers in their own languages. If you read the Acts 2:4-40 account closely, you will see there is no suggestion Peter preached in tongues. People who claim he did are reading into the text something it doesn't say and which contradicts the only definition we have - 1 Corinthians 14:2.
Paul, was baptized in the Holy Spirit and the evidence is speaking in tongues. Acts 9: 17,18.And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house and putting his hands on him Brother Saul ( he addressed Paul in this manner because Paul was already Saved and had been so for the last three days and nights) the Lord even Jesus, who appeared unto you in the way as you came,has sent me, that you might receive your sight, and be filled with the Holy Spirt. And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales and he recieved sight forthwith and rosed and then water baptized.
@@sharonevans8504 Your point in quoting that passage being? Or don't you understand the difference between being baptized and being filled? And where does that passage mention Paul speaking in tongues?
Great video Mike. There is one other explanation that came to me as I was listening to you read the scriptures in 1 Cor 14: What if the “believers” in verse 22 refers to the converted “unbelievers” in verse 23-25. This can work because 23-25 can be interpreted as “tongues builds/creates unbelievers from unbelievers while prophecy builds/creates believers from unbelievers”. So verse 22 can be understood as “prophecy is a sign for ‘creating/building’ believers not unbelievers. While tongues is a sign for ‘creating/building’ unbelievers not believers”. So in verse 22 “believer” or “unbeliever” may not be referring to the initial state of a person before they experience the sign but their end state after the sign It also holds up because verse 23-25 only explains the impact of tongues and prophecy on unbelievers not believers. In these verses the starting position of the person coming to the church is always as an unbeliever. In the case of tongues, they remain an unbeliever while in the case of prophecy they become a believer In summary, Paul could be talking about the end state of a person in verse 22, who has ended up as a believer or unbeliever and which sign of tongues or prophecy would have got them there Would be keen to hear you explore this path more. God bless
Reg. Q1; Whatever may be the interpretation, I think Paul wants them to know that it is simply not-alright to speak in tongues in the Church without interpretation. Paul's argument here is similar to his arguments for head covering. At times, we just take the "take-away" while being puzzled about the logic
I don't know, because there's two God's, one is the heavenly ABBA, Barabba being his son, and the other one you christians follow is John 8:44 Yahweh, who's two bit son is the Christ, and he's the one Paul worships. Are you of your John 8:44 YHWH Father too?
I have a question. When Jesus says " if anyone claims to have seen me in the wilderness, DO NOT BELIEVE HIM, so why do you christians believe Paul with anything? FYI, Paul worships John 8:44 YHWH the devil, which is what Jesus called YHWH. What you Paul believing christians don't understand, calling Jesus the Christ IS THE DECEPTION, according to the Jesus Barabba who said this WARNING Matthew 24:4-5 Watch out that no one deceives you.5For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many He also said you Christ claiming phariseac christians cannot even hear him, so i typed this for nothing i guess
I hope this may help your deliberation. Proverbs 26:4-5 says Answer a fool... and then; Don't answer a fool. You took an very good approach and I agree with a lot of your findings. Nevertheless, what seems to be a contadiction is not a problem because both situations are true as in the Proverbs example. Toungues could be a sign of judgment to unbelievers. Tounges also, without interpretation in public are just useless noise. Prophesy edifies believers. When toungues are interpreted they are raised to the level of prophesy. This is how I see this. Anyway, thanks for your incites.
Are you guys familiar with the teaching of Teacher Steve Gregg? I am intrigued by his work and would like to get your opinions. He's extremely thorough to my mind.
I started listening to Steve Gregg when I heard Leighton Flowers mention Steve's debate with James White. This was maybe almost a year ago, and since then I've listened to a lot of his teaching and especially his radio programme where he answers questions live, much as brother Mike does here. I think Steve is a great teacher and, most importantly, someone whose heart is truly in the right place when it comes to following Jesus faithfully and teaching others to do the same. He is self taught when it comes to the Bible and, while his understanding and grasp of it is truly prodigious, I do notice sometimes some little places where, say, the fact that he hasn't had academic education in Hebrew and Greek is limiting him a bit. I say that as a total lay person myself, it's just that I also listen to a lot of Bible scholars and I notice some little differences. When it comes to approaching the Scriptures in context with a humble heart and a desire to obey, Steve Gregg is an amazing example and teacher though, I love his attitude of courageous submission to the Lord, again, much like Mike Winger, who is also self taught and brilliant at teaching us how to think biblically about everything 😊
@mariemilycraig So good of you to respond. I have the same feeling about him. He went to Wheaton College I think. I could be wrong. His take on the Book of Revelation has me convinced. At first it shocked me. But now I'm convinced. I hope more people listen to him, not to unsee Revelation as an end time book, but at least to hear and consider another perspective.
@@republiccooper I'm also very on board with his interpretation of Revelation! It makes the most sense compared to everything else I've come across so far. According to his biography at The Narrow Path website, he doesn't seem to have been to Wheaton or anywhere else like that.
It feels like God’s timing. I was reading 1 Cor. 14 today and noticed the issue of tongues and prophecy for the first time. Great possible explanations to resolve the matter. Still not sure, but it’s really interesting. Side note: I’d love to see Mike do a video on the Shroud of Turin and go in depth on all the evidence for and against its authenticity. That is one topic that I originally approached with major skepticism. But after studying it deeply my convictions have dramatically changed and I have been truly inspired and amazed. I believe more people need to be exposed to the evidence and taught to think critically about it.
There is no contradiction with theses verses. 'Speaking with tongues is simply speaking a different language to what you know or have been brought up in. Example- I speak in the ENGLISH tongue/language. It is my mother tongue. The 1st century disciples spoke Hebrew/Aramaic & Greek Go out into all the world and preach the gospel. How are they to go out into all the world beginning in the first century if they could not communicate the gospel to other nation, who spoke different languages? This is the meaning of 'Languages/tongues'. Even Irenaeus understood this word as being language/s, quote below; 'Against Heresies' book 5 chapter 6:1 For this reason does the apostle declare, “We speak wisdom among them that are perfect,” [1 Corinthians 2:6] terming those persons “perfect” who have received the Spirit of God, and who through the Spirit of God do speak in all languages, as he used Himself also to speak. In like manner we do also hear many brethren in the Church, who possess prophetic gifts, and who through the Spirit speak all kinds of languages, and bring to light for the general benefit the hidden things of men, and declare the mysteries of God, whom also the apostle terms “spiritual,” they being spiritual because they partake of the Spirit, and not because their flesh has been stripped off and taken away, and because they have become purely spiritual. We see then how the early church understood the 'speaking with languages/tongues' no confusion & no contradictions.
Everything I said in this video assumes that tongues are real languages. I’m not sure that such a point changes anything from my answer. But thanks for sharing and working through it together.
@@MikeWinger Thanks for the response Mike. Iron sharpens iron & reading through some of the posts, some people still seem to think that a 'repetitious babble' is a spoken language or a heavenly language. This is why so many are confused and also this is why there is a so called contradiction. Modern 'tongues' or babbling first surfaced in 'Christendom' in the 1906 Azure street revival & took off throughout the churches receiving this false signs & wonders. The church never ever taught or practiced this phenomena before that time. The most interesting fact is that the modern charismatic 'speaking in tongues/babbling' is also witnessed throughout false religions and the occult. The kundalini yoga practice also produces this exact same manifestations. If one does a little digging they will find videos of this on YT. Understanding the difference between the gift of speaking another language to spread the gospel & speaking a repetitious babble was the point I was trying to make. Paul says to be silent if you cannot interpret or there is no interpreter of the language spoken. He would rather speak 5 words that could be understood than 10, 000 words of an non-understandable language. 1 Corinthians 14:19-20 Acts chapter 2 began circa 30 AD and still continues until the last day, for we have been in the last days for 2000 years now. The dynamics have changed from the 1st century as the gospel has already gone out into the world & most people can have their own translation of the written word,. Missionaries have served Christ well & therefore the need is less to have a mass occurrence of speaking a different language to spread the gospel. Blessings to you Mike, it is good that we can talk it out.
Tekiyara balakonda, sevikare soletaba hamanita. Mekarondo halendra, shalisanda remura kovendara salevita. Koramenda falevita, sherakunda shalayanda koremandara hamenta. Varetienda salevura, shaloka melekanda. Hope that makes sense. I prefer to make my comments in tongues.
On the question about the NLT. I was raised strict kjv. I was told All other versions are corrupt and you are being deceived and aren't really saved if you read other versions. One day, idk, something just came over me and I read hebrews in the nlt and understood it all. I was amazed because I had previously tried to read it in the kjv and was just confused. So now what I do is read from the NLT, ESV, then KJV of whatever passage in in. Sometimes I may read the niv or nasb. I feel like reading multiple is very helpful and my favorite is the NLT but I know I need to try to read the more word for word and not just stick to a thought for thought.
The KJV only thing is sad, because it does make a barrier for many people in understanding. And it doesn't even make sense, because if they really insist that people only read the "purest" text, they should insist people only read the Greek/Hebrew Bible. Anyway, glad you found understanding!
Can I ask you a question? In John 8:44 ish, who was Jesus speaking to, and what is the name of the law giving God they worship. Isn't it Yahweh, the same God the author of Hebrews worships?
The NLT can make a lot of sense, but just remember that not all of it is true to the original language meaning (for instance, it often, if not always, adds "of your sins" after the word "repent", among others). So just always pray about whatever it is you're reading (or anything else at all) to God, asking for His wisdom, knowledge and understanding of it, for we are but men who all too often lean on our own understanding, leading ourselves into a ditch 😵💫 But I too use multiple versions, mainly NKJV, NLT and AMP, but I also very much depend on a concordance
@WeWillShowMercy Those " scriptures " are not Jesus's ABBA, their John 8:44 Yahweh's. You got a bag full of christ DECEPTION from them Matthew 23:4-5 4Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you.5For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. And he was right, look how MANY of you pharisees go around falsely claiming he is the Christ, of John 8:44 YHWH
Dear Mike, I love watching your videos, and my heart is going out to you as I watch you struggle with this. As I grew up in a Pentecostal church, we leaned heavily on Acts 2. The pouring out of the Holy Spirit and people speaking in tongues on the day of Pentecost, was the gift that Jesus foretold before he ascended into heaven for the last time, until his second coming. He has to send the Holy Spirit onto his people so they could spread the gospel of Christ. As Paul began to write to the church if Corinth, he was writing to a wayward bunch of people. They were doing things in vain, they were doing paganism too. He needed to let them know that not everyone is to speak in tongues. Those who DO speak in tongues are speaking in vain without an interpretation quickly after. That is when you know that the Tongues and the Prophecy is of God. Without that you can turn an unbeliever away from Christ because of disbelief and confusion. They will see us as crazy.
Had deja vu MANY MANY times when I was young, and just like Mike said, I tried to predict what would happen next when that feeling came about. Never. Not ONCE, did I predict correctly.
Mike, I like your logical approach. This "paradox" might be answered by looking at the incident when tongues first occurred at Pentacost. How were tongues used at Pentacost? Each person heard the Gospel in their own tongue. ... could it be referencing that event?
Hi friend. Although this experience may have taken place at the time, your conversion took place when you put your faith in Christ and He filled you with His Spirit. Praise God. Salvation is of the Lord. God continue to bless you and keep you
When you heard someone babbling nonsense you believed it was from God? Maybe if someone with no knowledge of Japanese started speaking perfect Japanese, that would be a sign. But lalallahahahhababababa is not a language. Anyone can do that.
Could you please explain why this made you believe and what exactly happened? What do you mean with light on? Did you understand what the person was talking? Appreciate your answer :)
I think I was more of a glutton when I was underweight than I am now that I am overweight. I am careful now and yet I can't lose weight. When I was younger, I ate whatever I wanted and didn't limit myself if I was enjoying something and never gained weight. When I was in my 40's I gradually just started putting on weight. As I noticed this, I became more mindful about not overeating. Be careful about assuming that fat people are all gluttons.
You can't gain weight without having consumed a certain number of calories. However, people process calories at all different rates. And age does factor in, when it comes to the metabolism slowing down. For women, having been through child birth also can slow it, or throw it off balance.
You're making me want to throw up Mike. Here's the point: CORINTH NEVER HAD THE GIFT OF TONGUES!!! Paul knew that but Corinth would never accept that. So Paul shanghi's their "experience" which, again, was bogus. Real tongues NEVER needed an interpretation as such. Vs. 21 borrows from an OT story that has nothing to do with NT tongues but uses it as an illustration to imply how fruitless tongues are if no one understands which was never the case with the Acts version of tongues but always the case with Corinthian "tongues" Paul was throwing dirt on their version of tongues but not the real gift of tongues which btw had great ramifications for Christianity. Corinth's version is as big as a joke as the tongues practiced today because they are the same thing.
Dear Brother have a look at the notes on the John Mcarthur study bible. 1Cor.14; 22-f. Tongue (singular) = Babbeling: Tongues (plural)=languages as we know them today ie Italian, French ,American!etc. Read the verses this way and the light will dawn. Pauls argument is in favour of meaning/understanding for the people in church meetings.Believers to be edified and non believers to be convicted and hear the gospel so they might be saved. And it has been working for thousands of years, Praise God. in short,: cut the babbel/ confusion, self gratification and start the building up of fellow believers in Jesus and gospel preaching so pagans can be saved. Avoid being like unbelieving Israel who God had to punish by using foreigners with their foreign language.
Tongues is for both. I was saved after hearing the gift of tongue and the interpretation of the tongue which was for me. Speaking in tongues as a group of believers isn't for the unbeliever but for the enjoyment of believers
Paul is preaching about understanding and wisdom if you really break it down...and to focus on what gives edification and wisdom to the church...and to do everything making sure it is understandable so the wisdom could be imparted...which would be to prophesy with understanding in an understood tounge....he is implying more importance to prophesy over speaking in tounges... But also you can prophesy in tounges and that's a sign to unbelievers that speak that tounge...but in the church prophesying in tounges isn't understood unless you got a translator...because the full congregation might not know that tounge...it's all about order.... This topic is dear to my heart because I speak 3 languages...
I baffled. Why spending so much time and energy trying to elucidate this kind of contradictions!? It does not bring anything to better your life. You mais well wonder whether Adam and eve had belly buttons, or what's the sex and genders of angels... Completely useless...
I find it very intriguing that whenever there is an apparent contradiction, those who want to disprove the Bible automatically assume the Bible is now disproven. Like you said, its a contradiction if you just glance at it. That's what most people do. Just glance. Anyway, thank you for not glancing at the text.
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr people like that come from some type of presuppositions type of view( lense) when it comes to the Bible.if someone is truly searching and seeking they will find Truth.
@@chrisG629 I had no pressuposition. I came out of reading the bible thinking like a protestant. Then I understood deeper and now think it makes more sense that this God is probably just Satan lying and is a narcissist abuser. When you TRULY search, without NEEDING to end where you begin, then you realize it's all rotten. You do find the truth. Good luck and keep asking questions.
@@chrisG629 It is actually the people with presuppositions that need to conclude that things that really really really really really seem to be contradictions, somehow actually aren't. When you're free to be honest, you can admit, well yeah, there are tons.
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr That answer literally makes no sense. How could God be a narcissist? Narcissism is wrong because being self-centered as a human is wrong. The universe does not revolve around one single human. However, the universe does revolve around God. There is no truth if there is no God. There is no real authority for anything you say if there is no higher authority. Your presuppositions about God are very evident. You aren't even critiquing God, you are critiquing who you think God is in your own mind. Any version of God that isn't the true God is an Idol. So you are just critiquing an idol.
Didn't see the video, just the start with the first contradiction and not your explanation to it. Actually there is no contradiction there. I will explain. We read: 1Co 14:21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. 1Co 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying (serveth) not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. ----1)Tongues when used by ONE PERSON acts as a sign to non believers, since/when he hears his language spoken by someone that was not taught it (v.21), this should point him to the Giver of that gift. 2)Notice that it does not repeat the use of the word sign for prophecy. It may be implied, but not necessarily. Indeed as he continues, the context is about prophecy being helpful in the lives of people. Mainly however, prophecy is for the believers' aid, not the non believers', even though it can be used for them as well when they come among believers. 1Co 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? ----That same gift of tongues when used by many in the church(especially without interpretation), will NOT act as it was intended for a non believer, because it would not be a sign in a man to man discussion (or one man preaching to many) where evangelizing takes place, but it would sound as many believers talking gibberish, to non believers entering the church. 1Co 14:24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: 1Co 14:25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth. -But, when a non believers enters a church and hears many prophesying about his life, that will edify him and make him realize that God is among the believers. ---The point made is: You can destroy the sign of the gift of tongues, when it is misused during the church if non believers show up, it being a sign intended in as one believer shares the Gospel with one or many that speak different languages. It will then not act as a sign to the non believer/s. What the non believer will benefit from in a church however, is the gift of prophecy. Prophecy is given for the believers' gathering, tongues is a sign given for non believers to believe (and for the believer that has it[supernaturally edifying himself], and can be for the church if their is interpretation). Your "contradiction" shows up when you believe that prophecy was also meant to be a sign for believers. It doesn't say that. Nor does it say that prophecy is a sign for non believers, even though it could be! Why? Because prophecy was not meant to be a sign pointing to God, since "believers" already believe in God.
It talks about how when someone speaks in a special way that not everyone understands, they’re talking to God in a mysterious language that only God knows. But when someone can predict or explain things that help and comfort others, that’s really helpful and kind. It says that when someone speaks in that mysterious way, it helps them grow stronger inside. But when someone helps and comforts others, it makes the whole group of people who believe in God stronger. Paul wishes that everyone could talk in that special way, but they think it’s even better when someone can explain things clearly and help everyone understand, because that helps the group grow and learn together.
Paul explains in verse 23 how uninterpreted tongues is a sign of judgement to unbelievers (what he said by citing Isaiah in v21) and then he goes on to explain how prophesy is a sign for believers in verse 24-25. Both explanations are in reference to the same context of an unbeliever or an uninformed person walking into church/a church where this is happening (v23). The New American Commentary puts it like this: "The consensus among recent commentaries and specialist studies is that unintelligible tongues leave unbelievers in a state of unbelief, and therefore judgment, while prophecy is able to bring unbelievers to faith. In other words, Paul uses the term “sign” negatively in relation to tongues; that is, tongues are a sign of judgment, shutting up the unbeliever in his unbelief. Prophecy, on the other hand, brings about conversion and in this sense is a positive sign of God’s presence among believers. In a sense the “sign” relates to judgment in both cases, that is, tongues confirm unbelievers in their unbelief while prophecy “judges” the secrets of the heart and leads to conversion.”
Mike, I have to correct you on something. Being fat or even “obese”. does not automatically reveal a person to be gluttonous. Some people are genetically predisposed to being fat and/ or they have a medical condition/ medications that can cause weight gain (sometimes significantly so). We need to be careful with the way we discuss the correlation of gluttony to fat people. If we all ate the same and exercised the same, we still wouldn’t all look the same. Our society has trained us to believe that fatness automatically equals gluttonous behavior and that’s just not always the case. I mention this because there is strong judgement and dislike of fatness because of its attachment to over eating/ unhealthy eating. It goes without saying that there is much unhealthy eating in our current day, but truly it’s an unfair assessment of a person to think that their fatness automatically points to a sinful behavior. Please I encourage you to consider these things when you start diving into the topic of gluttony and shed light on this issue! I do love and appreciate your content/ ministry very much and I’ll be excited when you provide this new material for us.
Society hasn’t trained me anything. Every single overweight person I’ve ever met in 37 years of life over eats and/or doesn’t exercise. A tiny amount of people have genes that do what you describe or medication that makes them fat.
@@beefymario88 that’s just not true. I’m not trying to excuse bad eating habits/ no exercise, but so many things contribute to a person’s shape and size beyond those things. You cannot tell me that if we all ate and exercised the same that we’d all have the same body fat percentage. Genetics, age (hormones - slowed metabolism), disease/ medications all play a role. Evidence is pretty clear that there are myriad of factors that affect a person’s body fat percentage beyond eating and exercise alone.
@@seaglass.jen86 They play a much smaller role than you want to admit, though. Of course we wouldn’t all look the same, but the difference for the vast majority of us would be rather minimal overall. Evidence just is not on your side. It’s certainly on the side that people are different, but not to the level that you clearly want it to be.
Tongue is a sign for unbelievers when translated. When untranslated, you are speaking mysteries, speaking mysteries into the air, and unbelievers would think you are out of your mind. This is where people pick out the word ‘mystery’ and try to build an entire theology on that word, and ignore every context before and after that word. When you speak tongues untranslated, Paul says you only edify yourself, only you and God understand. He’s not saying you should self edify, he’s not directing anyone to self edify, and there’s no examples of anyone self edifying. In fact, the context shows we are to do the opposite, which is use spiritual gifts to edify the church, for the common good, others that ultimately leads to God receiving the glory. This is consistent throughout NT. Paul speaks in tongue more than anybody. Again, it’s incorrect to assume you can build an entire theology on this sentence alone that speaking in tongue = using tongue as a private prayer langue to self edify. What’s correct is to assume that Paul is using the gift of tongue according to the context that he himself laid out, which is translated and in an orderly fashion. Conclusion, there is no such thing as using the gift of tongues as a private prayer language, if so then every believer would have it. 1 Cor. clearly showed that not everyone would have every gift, and in Acts not everyone who received the spirit spoke in tongue. And all spiritual gifts are for the purpose of edifying church. Everything we practice in God’s name comes with clear instructions and examples.
How do you build up people with tongues if you are speaking gibberish. Cults speak gibberish. Tongues was for a time when they did not have the New Testament. When Paul said even if I spoke the tongues of Angels, he is saying even if I spoke the language angels speak. I used to go to Calvary Chapel, and they are good people who love the Lord, but to instruct people to just start speaking using not words and the Spirit will take over is pathetic and shameful. I can’t believe this is still under debate.
Correction: The HOLY SPIRIT wrote the words of GOD.. HE did not write the Bible, for back then, there was no such thing called the Bible .. The translated word of GOD is placed in book form. Hence, it's called the Bible ..
If God did not do the bible, who made the bible? Who compiled the 46 books of the old testament (Scripture) and 27 of the new testament in a single book? What authority did they have to do it? Jesus never ordered to write or read any books!!
Confess the Lord Jesus Christ with your mouth and believe in your heart that He died for your sins on the cross and God raised Him from the dead on the third day; repent of your sins and be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit!
How about this, I will explain to you in a way that you can understand why for some there are contradictions and for others there isn't. If you can answer this question for me. The question is: Where in the new testament can this scripture be found? "There are those who teach that they and their group are the only ones saved and everyone else is deceived and going to hell. These people walk according to the flesh and are condemned. Stay far from them." So that there is no confusion, this is not a trick question. I am not trying to deceive you in any way. These scripture verses do in fact exist and they are located within one of the books of the new testament. I look forward to your answer!
Paul says Tongues are a sign to those who are on the outside of the church, but prophecy is for those inside. But churches have it twisted, when you go to church where they do this and you ask,what they are saying, they say you can’t understand, this is only for the church. But the Bible says tongues are only for the outside, as of the day of Pentecost, when God gave 12 unlearned men, the gift of tongues, the gift of linguistics in an instant, and they went out and began to preach. And all those people who were gathered from different countries heard them speak in their own language. It was a sign, that something special is happening here and 3 thousand joined the church. But when our friends gather up in church and start bubbling, would you please tell me what is the good of it?
I dont think this is a contradiction. Tongues are a sign for non believers whether they want to hear it or not. Whether it seems "crazy" or not. Speaking in tongues is to a non believer as prophecy is to a believer. How many "believers" will say some prophecy to be false? Same that non believers may say tongues is strange. Doesnt change what and who its for
It is not a contradiction when you understand that tongues are different human languages (Acts 2:8-11). For example, when an Indonesian attends an English service in Canada, and suddenly someone prophesies in Bahasa Indonesia, the Indonesian would be convinced that the message is from God because it is spoken through a non-Indonesian. However, if those Christians with the gift of other languages decide to speak in other languages at the same time, unbelievers would be utterly confused (Acts 2:13) as also in 1 Corinthians 14:6
Hi Mike, could I humbly suggest that you didn't read enough context to be able to understand the answer? Keeping in mind that we are talking about the operation of the spiritual gifts in the church and not of tongues as a private prayer language, if you work back from verse 27, "If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret." you end up with the clarity that you are looking for. Whilst in verse 22, tongues are a sign to unbelievers, verse 23 correctly states "...will they not say that ye are mad" when the whole church speaks in tongues at once (or without control). The argument could be made that this is simply an extension of Acts 2:13 "Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine." If all members of the church can speak in tongues, it is of no spiritual benefit to them in the church at that time. Interpretation and prophecy are for them at that time. In terms of your answer, once a new person has heard tongues and understands its purpose, it is. time to transition to prophecy, "For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted". Thus we get in verse 33 "For God is not the author of confusion..." In summary, I suggest that you think of verses 22-24 as a transition - the use of tongues in the church is a sign to unbelievers - it is an obvious sign that something supernatural is/has happened in the church (as per the day of Pentecost) - in the church, there should be two or at the most three tongues followed by interpretation - interpretation and prophecy are primarily for the members of the church but are available to "all"
this is what happens when the pentecostals misrepresent the gifts of the Spirit an it becomes a mockery. The gift of speaking in tongues is not the whole church bawling and shouting out words an phrases that they themselves can't interpret, the gift of speaking in tongues is the ability to speak to another in there native language that you yourself could not do. Prophecy has its specific time an place by revelation of God, not some sothe sayer trying to scam people out there money
Paul is talking about three different ways toungues have been and/or should be used (for example: speaking within earshot in a known language or unknown language). Also, I believe he is talking about a third type of language...a language of doctrine or worship. All examples were given starting at verse 6. Further examples are given in the book of Acts 2:4, 6-13 - Acts 10: 44-46 - Acts 19:6. It's important to read the whole chapter to get context on what is actually occurring. Much of supposed contradictions come from reading a verse and trying to understand it out of context (usually because the rest of the chapter is ignored).
The best bit was what you said at the end, thanks for doing content that you believe/think is important/necessary. Some videos may not get much attention but they probably get the attention of people who really need what you have to say. Thanks and God bless.
There is the gift of tongue of being able to speak in a language that you never learned like a missionary in a foreign country will speak in the native language of the people in that land that is a way a tongue will benefit a non believer.
The tongues one is easy. Tongues isn't a whole bunch of "BALOOKA BALOOKA ARRABASHABABABA!!" Tongues are actual spoken languages. The reason tongues are for the unbelievers is so we can witness to the unbelievers in their tongues (language). The interpreter either natively speaks the language or has the gift of miraculous translation from the speaker to the listener in their own native tongues. So if a whole church is doing all the speaking nonsense, the unbeliever who walks by and hears nothing but a cacophony of yelling in fake/mixed languages will just say they're all nuts and dismiss the faith seeing it as nothing more than people looking for a high whether of emotion of whatever they're smoking in that building.
Please explain how tongues is for witnessing to others when Paul describes tongues as a human or angelic language (1 Corinthians 13:1) _spoken to God_ (1 Corinthians 14:2, 14-16, 28), but not known to the speaker (1 Corinthians 14:2, 14).
BETTER EXPLANATION: I understand: "a sign for the believers" as a sign hat leads to believe and "a sign for unbelievers" as a sign that leads to unbelieve. R. C. H. Lenski sees it similar: 1. Korinther 14,22: The point to be noted in regard to both the tongues and the prophecy lies in the phrase “for a sign”; and εἶναι (here εἰσί) combined with εἰς: “to be for,” etc., expresses, not the nature of tongues and of prophecy, but the effect.
30:00 could it be that John is wrong? I think of 1 Samuel 15, where Samuel is quoted saying God does not show regret, then four verses after the author himself says God regretted. Biblical infallibility doesn't imply the infallibility of any prophet. There is only one person in the Bible whose quotes are facts. Well, three persons. It's complicated.
No, John was not wrong. Mike made it sound wrong because he incorrectly phrased what Christ accomplished. As to your point about what God says in 1 Sam. 15 about Saul, a more accurate translation would show God saying "it grieves Me that I have set up Saul as king". Regret isn't the emotion God is displaying here. It's profound grief. It deeply hurt God that Saul had greatly squandered the opportunity he was given to be the leader of the nation.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 Why does John have to be right about everything? Why would we think he was? Or Samuel? Whatever "regret" it means, it's the same word when Samuel says God doesn't do it as when the Bible says God does. The point is: the Bible being right doesn't require any of the quotes in it to be right, and contradictions between two quotes in scripture are not contradictions in scripture. I'm not trying to besmirch the prophets, I think they would agree they were imperfect. I'm trying to illuminate a seeming contradiction. Jesus did say John was Elijah "if you can accept it". Maybe he couldn't accept it.
I think part of the modern Church's confusion regarding "tongues" comes from not translating it to modern English and not considering historical context. Any use of the lingo understanding of "tongues" clouds the issue because in Paul's time, the word wasn't lingo for "miraculously speaking a language I don't understand." The word "language" is an extremely close synonym to "tongues" down to literally just referencing the organ we most prominently use to speak. In Paul's day, the word simply means language and usually a foreign one. Translating it will help clear away the later developments from interpreting the impact on the reader of Paul's day. Speaking in foreign languages is meant to be a sign for unbelievers simply because these "foreign invaders" have their own languages. And you're right that Acts supports the interpretation. When the Spirit miraculously gave languages to believers in acts, it was so people listening could hear the Gospel in their heart languages and be converted. When people are merely speaking their own foreign languages out loud in the new mixed church all together, it's disorderly and makes the onlooker confused. When someone prays in his own language, but no one else in the room understands, he's the only one who benefits. It's plain and simple to get what's going on. It gets confused by people later describing something a bit different and using "tongues" as a lingo for it. Like Jewish person saying "of course Jesus violated the Sabbath, he and his disciples gathered their own food." The lingo of the time (in part) prevented them from seeing the meaning of the verses in the Torah. They brought their modern cultural baggage to the conversation on interpretation of ancient texts.
So looking back for clarity, tongues are a sign for unbelievers in two different ways. One is that it crosses language barriers. Another is that it actually fulfills God's prophecies to the Jews that people are coming by His Spirit from all nations. Those who heard but didn't believe Christ have this sign, His message is actually bringing in the foreigners. In this second way tongues and prophecy are the same in a way. They connect in that the prophecy shows foreigners coming to speak God's word, to prophecy. So hopefully these are now converted by the fulfilled prophecy of foreigners following Christ when they wouldn't.
So, there are two sets of unbelievers here as well, because of this link. We have unbelievers who are foreign and unbelievers who are Jews that didn't hear Christ. Both can be reached by the witness of the foreign languages in the Church. And then later we're talking about someone walking into the church with a choice between hearing language he doesn't understand, and everyone speaking different languages, or walking in and hearing people speak something he understands that convicts his heart. It's not a real conflict.
Hey Mike, love your content so much! I know you said your ministry is not about targeting other ministries unless you feel something really needs to be addressed but would you be willing to give a thoughtful review about the deliverance movement that is all over the internet? There are some harmful teachings and doctrines coming out of these ministries and their influence is growing. The domino revival film, come out in Jesus name film, men like Alexander Pagani and others.
Question Time Stamps for Quick Reference:
0:00 - Intro
1. 0:07 {A Difficult Bible Contradiction} Can you please explain 1 Corinthians 14: 22-24? Verse 22 states that tongues are a sign for unbelievers, and prophecy is for believers. But vv. 23 and 24 then go on to seemingly describe the exact opposite.
2. 27:09 {John Rejects but Jesus Affirms?} How should we understand John's rejection of being Elijah and a prophet (John 1: 21), while Jesus affirmed it (Matthew 11: 14)?
3. 34:42 {Debates on the Canon} What do we do with some of the earliest listed Bible canons and church fathers that exclude Esther and include Sirach and Wisdom of Solomon?
4. 39:47 {Are Easier Translations Unwise?} I struggle reading word for word translations of the Bible like the ESV. I love the NLT for its simple vocabulary and how easy it is to understand. Is it unwise to use the NLT to memorize and study from?
5. 41:56 {Proper Interpretation of a Common Passage} What are your thoughts on 1 Corinthians 6: 19? I hear people use this Scripture to call anything they don’t like sin (tattoos, drugs, junk food, etc.). But it seems it’s mostly about sexual immorality.
6. 52:36 {Are We Still Made in God’s Image?} Can you explain Genesis 5:1-3? Why is it different with the birth of Seth? Are we still God’s image bearers?
7. 56:10 {Is “Déjà Vu” a Biblical Concept?} What are your thoughts on Deja Vu and are there any examples of it in the Bible? I've definitely had times where I had the feeling of being somewhere before when it was the first time being there.
8. 1:01:02 {Are Eating Challenges Sinful?} Could you talk a little on what is and is not gluttony? Is it just eating more than you need to, or is there more involved (i.e., eating challenges)?
9. 1:07:38 {When Competition turns Sinful} How do I know when my competitiveness is sinful? I coach baseball and want to ensure I'm providing the right model of competition for the players, while also still being as competitive as possible.
10. 1:10:29 {“Apostasy” = “Departed”?} I've heard that the word translated "apostasy" in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 can also be translated as "departed," as in "the end will not come until the departing (rapture) comes first." Do you think this is true?
Thanks for these time stamps. They are really needed
@@dillarddillard-p4e my pleasure! 🙏
Good thing God made it all so difficult or we'd be helping the poor instead of trying to figure all this out! But he wanted to keep us busy to be nice.
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr scripture is clear and "easy", its man who screwed it all up with our "wisdom". thats what needs to get sorted out
@@junk3996 ummm it's literally 700,000 words, mostly about how to properly slaughter animals and how it's ok to beat your slaves and how its' good to kill your enemies even if they're babies, and how God regretted making us and wanted to kill us all. It's man who has to take that mess and somehow come out with "it all means he loves us".
Thank you for your efforts, all your time and words of faith and Truth, God bless. Prayers for all our brothers and sisters in need, may Jesus Christ bless you. From New Zealand.
I really struggle with things like tongues and prophecies, I have seen far too many people hurt by charlatans and false prophets. Cases where tongues seem to still be around is when someone hears their native language spoken, but when it’s just gobbledegook I struggle to see how that’s helpful. Idk, this is something I’ve been praying about because in truth I’m a deeply cynical and skeptical man, but I am nonetheless grateful to God for meeting me where I was and leading me to Him.
Im also really thankful for mikes messages and videos, they have been a huge help
It is just gobbledegook. Read my above replies.
I grew up on the NLT for my teenage years and it did mess with my theology. For example, in Hebrews 6 the NLT reads: Surely we don’t need to start again with the fundamental importance of repenting from "evil deeds" and placing our faith in God.
Whereas the literal translation is "dead works". Now when you get to Heb 6:6, the difference between dead works and evil deeds couldn't be more important. In general the NLT has a very heavy "prove you're saved by stopping sinning" bent.
As an example, every time the new testament says "repent" the NLT interpolates "repent (of your sins)". And in the cases in the old testament where God is said to repent (and we all know God's repentance could not be from sin), instead of saying so the NLT chooses to replace the word with "He was sorry".
Therefore I was led to believe that repentance was inexorably tied to "quitting sin", and if I failed to do so I hadn't repented adequately to be saved.
My church still uses the NLT to help those with poor reading comprehension, and I will never leave because of it. But I do point out the theological bias when I can so others are not harmed as I was.
I think God WAS sorry he made us. That's why he wanted to kill us all. Makes sense to me.
You are pretty stupid THEN..
Works from faith and not dead works (pride leading to pride or conceived from pride). It is indeed dead works, and dead works are sin. I love the NLT and the NiRV but it is not my "base". I will use NIV, ESV, NASB to start with. Also the NET.
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr yes, you are correct in a way. It is his Righteousness but it is worst than that, death is not final. Death is in a rubbish bin where it never ends. Thus without understanding his Righteousness, we cannot understand his Love, which is conditional not unconditional. It is his love that mercy has been given unconditionally
@@Logic807 Mercy is not given unconditionally. It's entirely conditional on worshipping this God.
Just want to say a thank you to God for speaking through Mike. I have never come across someone who swung heavily toward the liberty side until I started a chat on a YT video. This person believed it so hard with no limits that, having never heard it before, I reached out to my church brothers to ask them if I completely missed something in the gospels. I know it wasnt one of the questions but so glad Mike addressed this.
“You get 5, for the price of none…because you didn’t pay for it…” 😂😂😂 Appreciate you Mike 💪
If you read the entire chapter without taking verses out of context it makes sense.
It's funny to me how I had this on my watch later list for a while now.
And then our pastor was speaking about the topic of spiritual gifts and speaking in times etc. This weekend and of course this chapter came up and so when I was reading it I literally thought the same thing as the person who wrote in this question and it confused me as well. But I just kind of went on.
Fast forward a couple of hours later when I come in the kitchen to do dishes and I thought oh I'll play this video now and then it's about the same passage that I just was reading and was confused about as well😂❤
In the OT, prophets were God's messengers (See the prophet's message to David after his fall) In the NT, we all have access to the Holy Spirit, our intercessor - so when we're not hearing God through the Holy Spirit, He will send a prophet to ensure we hear
I've personally never been too concerned about when the rapture will occur as much as that it will occur. Besides apostasy, the worst that can happen to us in Great Tribulation is we physically die, which is what we've been doing since creation. And it seems quite evident that we don't need a Great Tribulation to die a horrible and evil death, so it seems we should want to endure till the end regardless of how or when that end comes.
These verses are not contradictions at all. If you have had the opportunity to work among people who you can't communicate to in their language, that is when the spirit enables you to speak in a tongue that shocks your audience. On the day of Pentecost we saw this.
When we are together in an intercessory mode all communicating with God in the spirit by talking in tongues, the unbeliever who is ignorant may think you are mad. So the scenarios are different. It becomes a sign to the unbelievers if strangely you speak their language which you did not know before. It sounds madness if they come into your midst while praying or speaking on tongues. This is simple to explain.
Paul addressed both scenarios.
Seek most to prophesy.
Mike!!!! You missed verses 10-11 which help out tremendously!!!! I’m shocked you did not read that!!!
Very eye opening, Thank you!
For 1 Corinthians 14:22, I think this sign of judgment from prophesy is not judgment against the believers, but that judgment is coming so believers need to make sure that they themselves are ready and they need to spread the gospel to save others from the prophesied judgment. Since belivers believe in this judgment, then that should motivate them to go and win souls. It's not for unbelievers because they don't believe in prophesy or upcoming judgment
Nobody can "win souls" because it's not up to them to decide who becomes a part of God's Church. God does the converting and the adding. Jhn 6 says that NOBODY can come to Christ on their own volition. The Father has to open the person's mind to the truth and call them before that happens. Christ said that the gospel would be preached _as a witness_ against this world. The object hasn't been to convert the whole world.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 you're right, I should've used a better term
Prophecy
Is speaking truth of what Jesus fulfilled
We are to strenghten our hearts with Grace
Truth edifies
Believers
And concicts unbelieves that they dont have grace
As it is strange alien to them
I am the Third Temple forever.
I never really had a problem with this area of Scripture, i e., seeing it as contradictory. When you put it in its entire context, when Paul mentions unbelievers coming in and thinking they were mad, etc., he is speaking the context of how they were using tongues, which was likely much like it looks today, babbling like toddlers and competing with each other. When Paul goes on to explain that prophesy would be a sign to them in that situation, I think he bares in mind the Day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit first fell on the disciples then made apostles. Their utterances were understood by various dialects. And what were they saying? Prophesy. They were speaking things that these people understood to be prophesy. Perhaps it was more parsonal with each of them than we can actually glean from the text. But when I consider my own experience with God prophesying over my life or me to another, it would tend to be very personal, addressing things only we knew I our hearts or such as I've experiencedI had with a lady who prophesied my past, present, and future. I'm saying all if this before I continue the video because I'm curious to see if our conclusions might meet up some where. Love your videos. You are so genuine and humble in your approach. You clearly have the gift of teaching. Blessings brother!
It is in the context of Isaiah 28. Those people (who love their precepts and precepts) who love their rules but unable to see the truth. Tongues or actually languages were uttered to them, by people foreign to them. Note! They can the understand the languages. Tongues were used against them. In the context of the congregation, tongues were not spoken such that the unbelievers could understand. When the Spirit uses “tongues” - languages , spoken publicly it was used as a sign. This text assumes that the Corinthians understood the context of Isaiah 28. But the church of Corinthians are using tongues to pray … that is not a sign for unbelievers (Public speaking of foreign languages are for unbelievers because they can understand it. So they should not use it publicly. Possibly “tongues” should be translated as language. Nowadays Anyway most people are probably babbling and deceiving themselves.
Prophesy edifies the believers and, so, it serves --or is for--believers. That's what 1 Corinthians 14:22 says in the Greek. It doesn't say that it's a sign for believers. It says that tongues are a sign for unbelievers, and prophesy is for (other translations put "serves") believers. Prophesy in 1 Corinthians 14 is just regular teaching within the Church. The word that is translated prophesy in the New Testament, "προφητεύω" (propheteuo), means simply to speak forth. Sometimes this is telling the future, but most often it is just speaking forth the message from God concerning the present or the past. This is why some instances of prophesying in the Old Testament were just speaking from God, not about the future. And, speaking in tongues in this passage is speaking other earthly languages (most likely Hebrew, according to some scholars, which would have been largely unknown to the people at the church at Corinth).
Mike,
Questions bible-reader protestants cannot answer:
1. Why did john the Baptist send his disciples to ask the Lord if he was the true Messiah?
2. Why did the Lord call his mother, Woman?
3. If Jesus did not have sin, with no need for baptism, why was he baptized in the river Jordan?
4. Where in the bible says that John 6:53 is symbolic?
5. If it is literal, why did he allow
a large multitude to o deepart from him
Him. John6:66.
There are many more...
The Catholic church does have answers to every aparent contradicting question in the bible
Seriously?
In a sense, (A) and in a semse (b)
okay now you HAVE to do a video on end times!!! I need to hear your possibly non pre trib end time view!
I think he already did a video on that
On question #2, John himself didn’t realize the role he had. In the spirit he knew Jesus was the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world, and he was unworthy to cary the sandals of Jesus. Yet when he was imprison he sent his followers to ask Jesus if he was in fact the one promised, or if another should be expected. Jesus responds telling them to tell John of the miracles they are seeing done (implying that he will understand that he is the one that was promised). Thus Jesus is correct and John was the promised Elijah (which John didn’t even understand at the time), and Jesus was the one who was promised. His identity He maintained veiled until the resurrection. The disciples were to understand to NOT look for another, but to understand Jesus was the promised one to come and the prophecy was in fact fulfilled. It wouldn’t make sense to think it replies to a second coming, since that will be a surprise to all and no one will know the time when he comes to judge the world and deliver his kingdom to the Father (1 cor 15).
In Matt. 17:10-11, Christ was referring to the _end-time_ Elijah that Isaiah and Malachi prophesied about. John the Baptizer didn't restore anything. He was also imprisoned and martyred by the time Christ told the disciples that he was a type of Elijah. Christ's point was that ppl in the last days were going to reject the end-time Elijah just as surely as John was rejected. John the Baptizer knew he was a type of Elijah(Jhn 1:19-23), so it wasn't a mystery to him.
43:00 “you are the temple of God “ first comes up in chapter 3 where it’s applied to sanctification more broadly, not just fornication.
The Bible clearly details that speaking and tongues means that you were speaking in a language that someone else around you speaks. An example would be…. let’s say you only speak English, and you enter a church where the people there do not speak English. The gifts of tongues would allow you to speak in their language so they can understand. It isn’t some language nobody has ever heard of, or nonsensical gibberish that allegedly came from God - if you’re speaking nonsense in gibberish, no one gonna be able to interpret that, and that’s one of the conditions of speaking tongues. Someone will be there to interpret the words you’re saying.
1 cor 14:22-23. If everyone is speaking in tongues at the same time who is interpreting? This would be confusion.
I don’t see it as a contradiction at all.
If you speak in a language you don’t normally speak then that is amazing. It’s a sign to people. Paul also said that if there is speaking in tongues then let 2 or 3 speak. 1 Corinthians 14. If all speak in tongues then there is no interpreter and Paul also call that clanging cymbals. It’s nonsense. So tongues is a sign for a nonbeliever if it’s practiced correctly.
Now if a person walks in and hears prophecy and they are like “oh wow, that’s true” that is a better sign for an unbeliever than a bunch of people babbling with no interpretation
MIKE!!! You said in one of your Q&A's that you plan to do a verse-by-verse study through Hebrews. Are you still planning to do that and any idea when? 😃😃😃
I do plan on it but life is not always agreeable to my plans. I have no clue when it will begin. So sorry for the long delay.
@@MikeWinger It'll be well worth the wait. Thanks for all you do, Mike!
Mike, please find time. Verse by verse study is the best teaching. No one gets to pick the verses and topics they like. Just the word.
@@bassmanjr100there is truth to this, however still great value addressing people's doubts and confusions about the faith and the word.
@@lauracheever my sentiments exactly!
About 7 years ago an Egyptian man walked into church.
A person stood up and spoke in tongues then sat down. We waited for a response of interpretation but it didn't come immediately so we sang the next song.
The Egyptian man approached the Pastor after the service. The message was spoken in Egyptian Arabic. It communicated that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh and the only Way to reconcile with God.
This skeptic gave his life to God because of this very personal message.
One of my favourite testimonies 🤗
Wow! So amazing. Praise the Lord
Wow! That is unbelievable! What a testimony!
Praise the Lord. And that is exactly the difference between Acts 2 (speaking in tongues of men) and 1 Corinnthians 14 (speaking in strange tongues). Acts 2 and 1 Corinthians 14 are Not the same thing.
That’s crazy. I remember similar experiences and when people are legitimately speaking in tongues it’s strange/cool. You can really tell it’s another actual language is nuts.
Like Pentacost, this man heard the Gospel in his own tongue.
I use to have a Bible teacher that said if you see a “Therefore” you need to find out what it’s “there for.”😊
You had a real teacher not just someone play acting as one.
God Bless...
I've heard that often, and I thought this exact thing when he stressed the "therefore."
Chuck Missler or Derek Prince? 'May Their Memory Be for a Blessing'
@MikeWinger I'm 33 now. When I was around 15 years old I started to question Christianity because of the actions of some of my Christian family members. My family broke apart and I wanted nothing more than my relationship with my mother to be restored to a time that I felt like she loved me. I started searching for god through other means (aliens and whatever else)
Until one day I was invited to church by my grandmother. The pastor was preaching when all of a sudden a lady stood up and interrupted the service. She said words that i will never forget. Words that i can only explain by saying that i felt them more than I heard them, but i did hear them. The lady said "Do not worry about your life. I will be your mother." Overwhelmed and shocked! I turned to my grandmother and asked her if she heard what the lady had said. My grandmother turned to me and said "honey, she didnt say anything, she was speaking in tongues" my life has never been the same. Ive had a foundation because of this that has kept me, even through my unbelief. Praise God.
That gave me chills!
@@jessinaespinal8206 me too!
Thank you for sharing and im glad you are here
God is so very good at getting His heart across to every single one of us. 🙏
Did you eventually form a relationship with the lady in church? I'd love to hear more :)
I'm going through your Bible contradiction series from a while back and I've gotta say thank you so much. I thank God for those videos. They helped me tremendously in a desperate time.
Me too!
@mikewinger my dad pastors a small church in Everglades City, Florida. We get a lot of snow birds that come down during the winter season. We had a couple that visited who ONLY spoke German (with very little English). My dad does not speak German at all. They visited on a Sunday evening and after the service my dad went to shake their hands and greet them. With broken English they said they understood EVERYTHING that was said. The only think we can contribute it to is to the Holy Spirit translating. It was one of the most awesome things I've ever witnessed.
I knew an old lady, the mother of friends, who was a member of a northern Canadian tribe. She spoke almost no English, but her family was always amazed that, after church, which was in English, she could discuss what was said in the sermon in detail. It was the same in other churches. She said "If the Holy Spirit is there, He will tell me what it means". Once, after the friends moved away, she came to visit and went to their church. Their pastor was not all they hoped for. After church, they asked the mother how she enjoyed the service. She answered, "I didn't understand what he was saying."
That is truly what the gift of tongues is ...complete understanding of what is being said. This is how the Spirit operates.
This is the true gift of tongues. The gifts are for edifying others and witnessing not to make ourselves feel emotionally elated. I do believe in the use of the gifts today but they are just that gifts.
In other words. Tongues isn't just mindless babble, like you hear in churches today
Wrong. You realize languages are fluid and change every trendy month right? Bottom line, you are speaking TO the LORD.
It says..tongues are a sign of the unbeliever but also the unlearned. If you think speaking in tongues is ‘madness’ you are in common belief with the unbelievers
@@9432515 I didn't say speaking in tongues is madness. I said. The mindless babbling you hear in some churches today isn't speaking in tongues. It's meant to be an actual language that someone can understand. Otherwise, what's the point
@@9432515Yes of course language is fluid but it's always coherent - Always! Babbling is not the same as the evolution of modern languages. Your argument is a classic non sequitur.
Dr. Chuck Missler taught me how important John (the baptizer😉) was, both in the context you’re (Mike) speaking about - *his* quote when he first saw Jesus - “Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world” - and then what Jesus said about John after that.
Another amazing teacher, I didn’t even know Chuck existed until about 2020 and he had already passed away in 2018! His wisdom, the materials he left behind, are such a blessing.
Thanks Mike, you’re an excellent pastor/teacher!
Why did John the Baptist send his disciples to ask Jesus if he was the Messiah?
Hadn't he baptized him?
Weren't they relatives?
Matthew 11:2,3 now when John had heard in the prison the works of Christ ( John is now imprisoned and discouraged ) he sent two of his diciples. 3 and said unto Him, are you He who should come, or do we look for another? Doubt is nemesis of Faith, and plagues every Christian at one time or another.)
Chuck Missler was pretty interesting to listen to! His videos about the Nephilim etc wow
You are such a blessing. I love your videos.
Mike, thanks for the time that you take to help others understand the Bible and think Biblically. I'm a Vineyard pastor (I think that you spent time in our movement at one point) that appreciates you speaking truth even when it's not popular.
Sorry, blind leading the blind! What do you make of John 6:53?
Are you in the group of Jonh 6:66?
When the KJ Bible was written in the 1600’s the dictionary definition of tongues ment language.ex.The nations of the world speaks many different tongues
RE QUESTION 10 (APOSTASY)
The Greek noun ἀποστασία (apostasia) can be translated as "depart' but never in the spatial sense. In 2 Thessalonians 2:3, Acts 21:21, and throughout the Septuagint, it always means rebellion or defection. It has nothing to do with a pre-tribulation rapture. The same word with the same sense is found in:
• Septuagint of _Jeremiah_ 2:19; _Job_ 22:22; _2 Chronicles_ 29:19; _1 Maccabees_ 2:15
• Cassius Dio Cocceianus, _Historiae Romanae_ 63.22, 63.24
• Flavius Josephus, _The Wars of the Jews_ 7.82, _The Life of Flavius Josephus_ 43
• Plutarch, _Galba_ 1.5, _Mulierum Virtutes_ 16,
• Eusebius of Caesarea, _Historia Ecclesiastica_ 1.5, 4.6, 5.28, 6.45, 7.24
• Julian the Emperor, _Contra Galilaeos_ 235
• Basil of Caesarea, _Epistulae_ 139, 233, 243, 264
There isn't a single reference to ἀποστασία (apostasia) being used in a spatial sense anywhere in ancient literature. Had Paul intended his audience to understand that he meant a physical departure, he would have used a noun that was widely recognized as having that meaning, such as ἔξοδος (exodos) or ἀνάλυσις (analusis) - see Luke 9:31 and 2 Timothy 4:6, respectively.
What pre-tribbers are arguing for is that Paul used ἀποστασία (apostasia) in a way none of his audience would have recognized. In doing so, they render Paul unintelligible.
Contrary to what some pre-tribbers claim, the addition of the definite article in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 [i.e. ἡ ἀποστασία (hē apostasia)] doesn't suddenly give the word a spatial sense, either - as anyone familiar with its ancient usage would know. All the article does is to particularise it.
The rebellion/defection sense of ἀποστασία (apostasia) is confirmed in works such as _Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words,_ ('fall', p.223, 'forsake', p.253) and _A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature_ [BDAG] ('ἀποστασία', p.120).
what they're doing is reaching for anything to try to justify their belief, unfortunately.
completely ignoring so many other words, factors, verses and focusing on one tiny thing they want to translate or mean a certain way so that their belief of a pre-tribulation "rapture" is justified. it really just demonstrates a massive ignorance, or misunderstanding, about several other things in scripture. EG what the day of the Lord is, etc.
again, unfortunately, its usually in ignorance (as in a lack of knowledge, not knowing) because of what is taught and learned usually at a young age and never actually challenged. so many things in our lives take this form, of just taking it for granted and assuming its true
the other thing is, scripture is never in a vacuum either. and in 2 thess it speaking about the "rebellion" or a massive event of apostacy has supporting scripture in Matt 24:12 where the "agape" love of many will grow cold, speaking of their love for God.
Very strong points! I am going to copy and paste to study these sources. What do you think of the theory that the Roman Catholic church created the "pre-tribulation/secret rapture" doctrine to elimate the Church from possibly be labeled as the Antichrist by the protestant movement??
@@ThePerpetualStudent The history of the pre-tribulation rapture teaching shows it not to be of RCC origin. Claims to the contrary are just an anti-papist conspiracy theory with no supporting evidence.
Hey Mike, Dr. Andy Woods wrote a very short booklet called "The Falling Away - Spiritual Departure or Physical Rapture?" Might be worth taking a look at to see what you make of his 10 arguments.
@@ThePerpetualStudent i think its wise to stick to scripture and leave theories, heresay, and accusations aside
I haven't heard your offerings yet, but the way I've always understood that passage "all" is the key. The former says tongues are for unbelievers and prophecy is for believers. The latter seems to be a warning against everyone speaking in tongues at the same exact time, but if you're united in the spirit, and there are unbelievers amongst you, prophesy instead. So, I always understood the former to be for more personal settings and the latter for gatherings where believers are united in the Holy Spirit.
This is where I have landed also. "ALL" is key. And it is fitting that the very next passage is about orderly worship and speaking a few at a time. Yes, tongues are a sign for unbelievers, but if an unbeliever shows up to your church and you are all shouting over eachother in uninterpreted tongues then they don't act toward that purpose.
Its important we understand the purpose of tongues and prophecy because there isn't a shred of plausible evidence in scripture that the gifts have ceased.
That is correct, but many are deceptions. Look at the fruits (character) , I would not believe them. Jesus have many warnings …
Yup, because the gifts have not ceased. That's why--and millions of others--speak in tongues every day. And we see instantaneous healing miracles, and prophecies, etc.
The Holy Spirit dwells in the church of christ since 33AD! He protects, defends, cares for, and leads her to all truth! The Holy Spirit moved the Church to give the world the bible in 382AD!!!
Acts 5:38-39! That was 2000 years ago!!!
@@davido3026 hmm... You could say 382 AD as far as when church leaders all convened and agreed on the canon. But of course the Holy Spirit gave us all of the books of Bible before the end of the first century. (And even that was less than 2000 years ago.) :)
@@FRN2013in genesis 1 the spirit of gid was hovering over the waters, too!
I was an overweight child and fluctuate din my teens. At 22 I got serious about my health and lost 40 pounds and have kept it off for 10 years. Gluttony is something I’ve wanted to address and start some type of ministry in our church involving getting healthy to honor the Lord but I have no idea how to approach that. I fear really hurting peoples feelings.
Don’t fear that you hurt people’s feelings. Sometimes to show love or concern to people you have to make them take a look at themselves, even if it breaks their esteem a bit. Be strong.
If you haven’t already, you may be surprised to learn that being overweight is not always a sign that someone is gluttonous. Other things can always be at play. Seek to understand and to inspire.
Talk to your pastor about starting a "Let's Get Fit and Healthy" class. Everyone can benefit from learning about healthy eating and exercise and we all no it'd not a "one size" fits off solution. You have a testimony and you can use it to help people live a healthier lifestyle.
Conviction hurts feelings, but is still important. Some sins are extremely minimized generally in the church which makes ministries focused on them important. I don’t struggle much with gluttony, but with slothfulness. I would have loved a ministry that helped me with that earlier in my walk that was biblically focused, so I say go for it. There are tons of diet/health focused stuff out there, but not much biblically-based and focused more on the heart than just behavior and numbers.
Whoa!! Gods timing is perfect ❤
I hadn’t listened to one of your live questions videos for about 3 months. On my way to work this morning, I looked you up and clicked on your most recent.
A bunch of us from a Baptist church went to a Pentecostal revival a couple of weeks ago. My first time being in a Pentecostal church and a lot of us were like deer in headlights with things their congregation was doing during the alter call. We had soooo many questions and judgments if I’m being honest… so we plan to do a Bible study on 1 Corinthians 12,13 & 14, on Wednesday, May 8th 2024.
So the timing of this first question is just perfect. Our God is not a God of confusion. Thank you for your wisdom Mike!! I’ve already shared this video with my pastor.
Definitions needed:
1) Prophesy - To tell or forecast future events
2) Prophesy - To preach or tell the Gospel
3) Tongues - Languages
4) Tongues - The act of speaking the Gospel and having recipients of other languages hear it in the native language
5) Tongues - Unruly outbursts in modern churches
So, depending on which definitions are applied, the discussions become much different.
When Paul speaks of an interpreter, I believe he is speaking of item 3 above. Interpreters are required so that the message is properly delivered to those in attendance. He also warns against varied and undecipherable languages being spoken together to prevent confusion and bad witnessing.
In all of scripture, there is only one use of tongues like item 4 above. At the day of Pentecost, there was no interpreter. Every participant or person nearby heard the preaching in their native tongue. This was a supernatural miracle to disperse the Gospel throughout the world.
Today's tongues is often item 5 above. It is not for the spreading of the Gospel, nor for the building up of the body, but rather for personal entertainment and to attempt to demonstrate one's "fulfilling".
Isn't it interesting that the Apostles began to preach with no concept nor plan for tongues. They simply proclaimed the truth. In flight, God delivered the message of the Gospel to each recipient. Now, if in your local body, there are visitors from some far away land and someone preaches or declares the Gospel in their primary language and the visitors receive and understand the preaching, then God is once more executing the miracle of tongues.
Neither of your 'prophecy' definitions matches what we find in Scripture. There, true prophecy is shown to be a message God has revealed to the prophet that is to be told to the intended recipient(s). It has nothing to do with preaching the Gospel and no necessary connection with foretelling the future.
Likewise, none of your 'tongues' definitions fit what Scripture describes 'tongues' as being, which is:
• a human or angelic language (1 Corinthians 13:1)
• spoken to God (1 Corinthians 14:2, 14-16, 28)
• not known to the speaker (1 Corinthians 14:2, 14)
• unless interpreted, edifies the speaker alone (1 Corinthians 14:4)
• not ordinarily intelligible to others (1 Corinthians 14:2-5, 9-11, 16), but can be (Acts 2:11).
@@Berean_with_a_BTh
Interesting.
"true prophecy is shown to be a message God has revealed to the prophet that is to be told to the intended recipient(s)."
Pray tell, how does that not fit into numbers 1 and 2 above? Receive message from God, tell message to others. Does the message not contain future events, His plans, or how great God is (i.e. the Gospel)?
Your first bullet "human or angelic language" matches number 3 in my list pretty closely.
Your second bullet matches number 3 pretty closely.
1 Cor 14 is an interesting passage. However, it can be read fairly literally as languages. Verse 2 is saying that if someone speaks, and no one knows what he is saying because of the language barrier, he can still communicate with God and worship in the Spirit. Similarly in verse 4, if someone speaks in a language no one else understands, he can uplift himself and communicate with God, but only for himself. Verse 14 revisits the same concept of only one person benefitting when an unknown language is used.
@@bogusphone8000 Your definitions fail because you allow false inclusions and, even where true, are only partly so.
As for your claim that tongues includes languages, you clearly don't know NT Greek, which uses γλῶσσα (glóssa) for tongue and διάλεκτος (dialektos) for language. They are clearly differentiated in Acts 2:4-8, where the disciples were praising and glorifying God in tongues but being heard by the onlookers in their own languages. If you read the Acts 2:4-40 account closely, you will see there is no suggestion Peter preached in tongues. People who claim he did are reading into the text something it doesn't say and which contradicts the only definition we have - 1 Corinthians 14:2.
Paul, was baptized in the Holy Spirit and the evidence is speaking in tongues. Acts 9: 17,18.And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house and putting his hands on him Brother Saul ( he addressed Paul in this manner because Paul was already Saved and had been so for the last three days and nights) the Lord even Jesus, who appeared unto you in the way as you came,has sent me, that you might receive your sight, and be filled with the Holy Spirt. And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales and he recieved sight forthwith and rosed and then water baptized.
@@sharonevans8504 Your point in quoting that passage being? Or don't you understand the difference between being baptized and being filled? And where does that passage mention Paul speaking in tongues?
Great video Mike. There is one other explanation that came to me as I was listening to you read the scriptures in 1 Cor 14:
What if the “believers” in verse 22 refers to the converted “unbelievers” in verse 23-25. This can work because 23-25 can be interpreted as “tongues builds/creates unbelievers from unbelievers while prophecy builds/creates believers from unbelievers”. So verse 22 can be understood as “prophecy is a sign for ‘creating/building’ believers not unbelievers. While tongues is a sign for ‘creating/building’ unbelievers not believers”. So in verse 22 “believer” or “unbeliever” may not be referring to the initial state of a person before they experience the sign but their end state after the sign
It also holds up because verse 23-25 only explains the impact of tongues and prophecy on unbelievers not believers. In these verses the starting position of the person coming to the church is always as an unbeliever. In the case of tongues, they remain an unbeliever while in the case of prophecy they become a believer
In summary, Paul could be talking about the end state of a person in verse 22, who has ended up as a believer or unbeliever and which sign of tongues or prophecy would have got them there
Would be keen to hear you explore this path more. God bless
Based on the language and overall context, I'd say this is a better explanation. 👍
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Spot on! I 100% agree ….However it’s not really relevant to the question.
God bless you pastor 🙏🙏🙏✝️
Reg. Q1; Whatever may be the interpretation, I think Paul wants them to know that it is simply not-alright to speak in tongues in the Church without interpretation. Paul's argument here is similar to his arguments for head covering. At times, we just take the "take-away" while being puzzled about the logic
Can there be "2" kinds? One for God's ears and the other for speaking with others whose language you don't know so that they may be preached to?
I don't know, because there's two God's, one is the heavenly ABBA, Barabba being his son, and the other one you christians follow is John 8:44 Yahweh, who's two bit son is the Christ, and he's the one Paul worships.
Are you of your John 8:44 YHWH Father too?
I appreciate your videos brother🙏🏻
I have a question. When Jesus says " if anyone claims to have seen me in the wilderness, DO NOT BELIEVE HIM, so why do you christians believe Paul with anything? FYI, Paul worships John 8:44 YHWH the devil, which is what Jesus called YHWH. What you Paul believing christians don't understand, calling Jesus the Christ IS THE DECEPTION, according to the Jesus Barabba who said this WARNING
Matthew 24:4-5
Watch out that no one deceives you.5For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many
He also said you Christ claiming phariseac christians cannot even hear him, so i typed this for nothing i guess
I hope this may help your deliberation. Proverbs 26:4-5 says Answer a fool... and then; Don't answer a fool. You took an very good approach and I agree with a lot of your findings. Nevertheless, what seems to be a contadiction is not a problem because both situations are true as in the Proverbs example. Toungues could be a sign of judgment to unbelievers. Tounges also, without interpretation in public are just useless noise. Prophesy edifies believers. When toungues are interpreted they are raised to the level of prophesy. This is how I see this. Anyway, thanks for your incites.
Are you guys familiar with the teaching of Teacher Steve Gregg? I am intrigued by his work and would like to get your opinions. He's extremely thorough to my mind.
I started listening to Steve Gregg when I heard Leighton Flowers mention Steve's debate with James White. This was maybe almost a year ago, and since then I've listened to a lot of his teaching and especially his radio programme where he answers questions live, much as brother Mike does here.
I think Steve is a great teacher and, most importantly, someone whose heart is truly in the right place when it comes to following Jesus faithfully and teaching others to do the same.
He is self taught when it comes to the Bible and, while his understanding and grasp of it is truly prodigious, I do notice sometimes some little places where, say, the fact that he hasn't had academic education in Hebrew and Greek is limiting him a bit. I say that as a total lay person myself, it's just that I also listen to a lot of Bible scholars and I notice some little differences.
When it comes to approaching the Scriptures in context with a humble heart and a desire to obey, Steve Gregg is an amazing example and teacher though, I love his attitude of courageous submission to the Lord, again, much like Mike Winger, who is also self taught and brilliant at teaching us how to think biblically about everything 😊
@mariemilycraig So good of you to respond. I have the same feeling about him. He went to Wheaton College I think. I could be wrong. His take on the Book of Revelation has me convinced. At first it shocked me. But now I'm convinced. I hope more people listen to him, not to unsee Revelation as an end time book, but at least to hear and consider another perspective.
@@republiccooper I'm also very on board with his interpretation of Revelation! It makes the most sense compared to everything else I've come across so far.
According to his biography at The Narrow Path website, he doesn't seem to have been to Wheaton or anywhere else like that.
It feels like God’s timing. I was reading 1 Cor. 14 today and noticed the issue of tongues and prophecy for the first time. Great possible explanations to resolve the matter. Still not sure, but it’s really interesting.
Side note: I’d love to see Mike do a video on the Shroud of Turin and go in depth on all the evidence for and against its authenticity. That is one topic that I originally approached with major skepticism. But after studying it deeply my convictions have dramatically changed and I have been truly inspired and amazed. I believe more people need to be exposed to the evidence and taught to think critically about it.
There is no contradiction with theses verses.
'Speaking with tongues is simply speaking a different language to what you know or have been brought up in.
Example- I speak in the ENGLISH tongue/language. It is my mother tongue.
The 1st century disciples spoke Hebrew/Aramaic & Greek
Go out into all the world and preach the gospel.
How are they to go out into all the world beginning in the first century if they could not communicate the gospel to other nation, who spoke different languages?
This is the meaning of 'Languages/tongues'.
Even Irenaeus understood this word as being language/s, quote below;
'Against Heresies' book 5 chapter 6:1
For this reason does the apostle declare, “We speak wisdom among them that are perfect,” [1 Corinthians 2:6] terming those persons “perfect” who have received the Spirit of God, and who through the Spirit of God do speak in all languages, as he used Himself also to speak. In like manner we do also hear many brethren in the Church, who possess prophetic gifts, and who through the Spirit speak all kinds of languages, and bring to light for the general benefit the hidden things of men, and declare the mysteries of God, whom also the apostle terms “spiritual,” they being spiritual because they partake of the Spirit, and not because their flesh has been stripped off and taken away, and because they have become purely spiritual.
We see then how the early church understood the 'speaking with languages/tongues' no confusion & no contradictions.
Everything I said in this video assumes that tongues are real languages. I’m not sure that such a point changes anything from my answer. But thanks for sharing and working through it together.
@@MikeWinger Thanks for the response Mike.
Iron sharpens iron & reading through some of the posts, some people still seem to think that a 'repetitious babble' is a spoken language or a heavenly language.
This is why so many are confused and also this is why there is a so called contradiction.
Modern 'tongues' or babbling first surfaced in 'Christendom' in the 1906 Azure street revival & took off throughout the churches receiving this false signs & wonders.
The church never ever taught or practiced this phenomena before that time.
The most interesting fact is that the modern charismatic 'speaking in tongues/babbling' is also witnessed throughout false religions and the occult.
The kundalini yoga practice also produces this exact same manifestations. If one does a little digging they will find videos of this on YT.
Understanding the difference between the gift of speaking another language to spread the gospel & speaking a repetitious babble was the point I was trying to make.
Paul says to be silent if you cannot interpret or there is no interpreter of the language spoken. He would rather speak 5 words that could be understood than 10, 000 words of an non-understandable language.
1 Corinthians 14:19-20
Acts chapter 2 began circa 30 AD and still continues until the last day, for we have been in the last days for 2000 years now.
The dynamics have changed from the 1st century as the gospel has already gone out into the world & most people can have their own translation of the written word,. Missionaries have served Christ well & therefore the need is less to have a mass occurrence of speaking a different language to spread the gospel.
Blessings to you Mike, it is good that we can talk it out.
Thank you, Mike, for your diligence in "rightly dividing" God's Word. Your explanation of the I Corinthians 14 passage is the best I've ever heard.
Where does it say in the bible that you have to divide the word of God?
In 2 Tim 2:15
Tekiyara balakonda, sevikare soletaba hamanita. Mekarondo halendra, shalisanda remura kovendara salevita. Koramenda falevita, sherakunda shalayanda koremandara hamenta. Varetienda salevura, shaloka melekanda.
Hope that makes sense. I prefer to make my comments in tongues.
On the question about the NLT. I was raised strict kjv. I was told All other versions are corrupt and you are being deceived and aren't really saved if you read other versions. One day, idk, something just came over me and I read hebrews in the nlt and understood it all. I was amazed because I had previously tried to read it in the kjv and was just confused. So now what I do is read from the NLT, ESV, then KJV of whatever passage in in. Sometimes I may read the niv or nasb. I feel like reading multiple is very helpful and my favorite is the NLT but I know I need to try to read the more word for word and not just stick to a thought for thought.
The KJV only thing is sad, because it does make a barrier for many people in understanding. And it doesn't even make sense, because if they really insist that people only read the "purest" text, they should insist people only read the Greek/Hebrew Bible. Anyway, glad you found understanding!
Can I ask you a question? In John 8:44 ish, who was Jesus speaking to, and what is the name of the law giving God they worship. Isn't it Yahweh, the same God the author of Hebrews worships?
The NLT can make a lot of sense, but just remember that not all of it is true to the original language meaning (for instance, it often, if not always, adds "of your sins" after the word "repent", among others). So just always pray about whatever it is you're reading (or anything else at all) to God, asking for His wisdom, knowledge and understanding of it, for we are but men who all too often lean on our own understanding, leading ourselves into a ditch 😵💫 But I too use multiple versions, mainly NKJV, NLT and AMP, but I also very much depend on a concordance
@WeWillShowMercy Those " scriptures " are not Jesus's ABBA, their John 8:44 Yahweh's. You got a bag full of christ DECEPTION from them
Matthew 23:4-5
4Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you.5For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many.
And he was right, look how MANY of you pharisees go around falsely claiming he is the Christ, of John 8:44 YHWH
Dear Mike, I love watching your videos, and my heart is going out to you as I watch you struggle with this. As I grew up in a Pentecostal church, we leaned heavily on Acts 2. The pouring out of the Holy Spirit and people speaking in tongues on the day of Pentecost, was the gift that Jesus foretold before he ascended into heaven for the last time, until his second coming. He has to send the Holy Spirit onto his people so they could spread the gospel of Christ. As Paul began to write to the church if Corinth, he was writing to a wayward bunch of people. They were doing things in vain, they were doing paganism too. He needed to let them know that not everyone is to speak in tongues. Those who DO speak in tongues are speaking in vain without an interpretation quickly after. That is when you know that the Tongues and the Prophecy is of God. Without that you can turn an unbeliever away from Christ because of disbelief and confusion. They will see us as crazy.
Had deja vu MANY MANY times when I was young, and just like Mike said, I tried to predict what would happen next when that feeling came about. Never. Not ONCE, did I predict correctly.
glitch in the matrix
Mike, I like your logical approach. This "paradox" might be answered by looking at the incident when tongues first occurred at Pentacost. How were tongues used at Pentacost? Each person heard the Gospel in their own tongue. ... could it be referencing that event?
My conversion to faith was when I heard a friend quietly praying in tongues beside me. At that point it was like a light went on and I believed
And it was not interpreted
@@dianeglover479 Does it ever edify the church??
Hi friend. Although this experience may have taken place at the time, your conversion took place when you put your faith in Christ and He filled you with His Spirit. Praise God. Salvation is of the Lord. God continue to bless you and keep you
When you heard someone babbling nonsense you believed it was from God? Maybe if someone with no knowledge of Japanese started speaking perfect Japanese, that would be a sign. But lalallahahahhababababa is not a language. Anyone can do that.
Could you please explain why this made you believe and what exactly happened? What do you mean with light on? Did you understand what the person was talking? Appreciate your answer :)
per Doctor Gene Scott- ..."faith is Action, Based on belief, supported by Confidence that God keeps His Word..."
I think I was more of a glutton when I was underweight than I am now that I am overweight. I am careful now and yet I can't lose weight. When I was younger, I ate whatever I wanted and didn't limit myself if I was enjoying something and never gained weight. When I was in my 40's I gradually just started putting on weight. As I noticed this, I became more mindful about not overeating. Be careful about assuming that fat people are all gluttons.
Wrong type of food, not quantity,
You can't gain weight without having consumed a certain number of calories. However, people process calories at all different rates. And age does factor in, when it comes to the metabolism slowing down. For women, having been through child birth also can slow it, or throw it off balance.
He also assumes we live on a spinning ball even when the bible implies stationary flat earth. So that's Mike for ya. Not perfect.
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr no one is perfect
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_GeoguessrSo you ignore both scripture and science? 😂 I guess Job got it all wrong then.😂
You're making me want to throw up Mike. Here's the point: CORINTH NEVER HAD THE GIFT OF TONGUES!!! Paul knew that but Corinth would never accept that. So Paul shanghi's their "experience" which, again, was bogus. Real tongues NEVER needed an interpretation as such. Vs. 21 borrows from an OT story that has nothing to do with NT tongues but uses it as an illustration to imply how fruitless tongues are if no one understands which was never the case with the Acts version of tongues but always the case with Corinthian "tongues" Paul was throwing dirt on their version of tongues but not the real gift of tongues which btw had great ramifications for Christianity. Corinth's version is as big as a joke as the tongues practiced today because they are the same thing.
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Dear Brother have a look at the notes on the John Mcarthur study bible. 1Cor.14; 22-f. Tongue (singular) = Babbeling:
Tongues (plural)=languages as we know them today ie Italian, French ,American!etc. Read the verses this way and the light will dawn. Pauls argument is in favour of meaning/understanding for the people in church meetings.Believers to be edified and non believers to be convicted and hear the gospel so they might be saved. And it has been working for thousands of years, Praise God. in short,: cut the babbel/ confusion, self gratification and start the building up of fellow believers in Jesus and gospel preaching so pagans can be saved. Avoid being like unbelieving Israel who God had to punish by using foreigners with their foreign language.
Tongues is for both. I was saved after hearing the gift of tongue and the interpretation of the tongue which was for me. Speaking in tongues as a group of believers isn't for the unbeliever but for the enjoyment of believers
Paul is preaching about understanding and wisdom if you really break it down...and to focus on what gives edification and wisdom to the church...and to do everything making sure it is understandable so the wisdom could be imparted...which would be to prophesy with understanding in an understood tounge....he is implying more importance to prophesy over speaking in tounges...
But also you can prophesy in tounges and that's a sign to unbelievers that speak that tounge...but in the church prophesying in tounges isn't understood unless you got a translator...because the full congregation might not know that tounge...it's all about order....
This topic is dear to my heart because I speak 3 languages...
Ok, the deja vu joke was hilarious 😂👍
Look up the Monty Python skit about Deja Vu if you've never seen it. It may or may not have influenced Mikes joke.
I baffled. Why spending so much time and energy trying to elucidate this kind of contradictions!? It does not bring anything to better your life.
You mais well wonder whether Adam and eve had belly buttons, or what's the sex and genders of angels... Completely useless...
I find it very intriguing that whenever there is an apparent contradiction, those who want to disprove the Bible automatically assume the Bible is now disproven. Like you said, its a contradiction if you just glance at it. That's what most people do. Just glance. Anyway, thank you for not glancing at the text.
OR they dig deeply into the context and everything about it and realize that it IS a contradiction.
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr people like that come from some type of presuppositions type of view( lense) when it comes to the Bible.if someone is truly searching and seeking they will find Truth.
@@chrisG629 I had no pressuposition. I came out of reading the bible thinking like a protestant. Then I understood deeper and now think it makes more sense that this God is probably just Satan lying and is a narcissist abuser. When you TRULY search, without NEEDING to end where you begin, then you realize it's all rotten. You do find the truth. Good luck and keep asking questions.
@@chrisG629 It is actually the people with presuppositions that need to conclude that things that really really really really really seem to be contradictions, somehow actually aren't. When you're free to be honest, you can admit, well yeah, there are tons.
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr That answer literally makes no sense. How could God be a narcissist? Narcissism is wrong because being self-centered as a human is wrong. The universe does not revolve around one single human. However, the universe does revolve around God. There is no truth if there is no God. There is no real authority for anything you say if there is no higher authority. Your presuppositions about God are very evident. You aren't even critiquing God, you are critiquing who you think God is in your own mind. Any version of God that isn't the true God is an Idol. So you are just critiquing an idol.
Didn't see the video, just the start with the first contradiction and not your explanation to it.
Actually there is no contradiction there.
I will explain. We read:
1Co 14:21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
1Co 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying (serveth) not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
----1)Tongues when used by ONE PERSON acts as a sign to non believers, since/when he hears his language spoken by someone that was not taught it (v.21), this should point him to the Giver of that gift.
2)Notice that it does not repeat the use of the word sign for prophecy. It may be implied, but not necessarily. Indeed as he continues, the context is about prophecy being helpful in the lives of people.
Mainly however, prophecy is for the believers' aid, not the non believers', even though it can be used for them as well when they come among believers.
1Co 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
----That same gift of tongues when used by many in the church(especially without interpretation), will NOT act as it was intended for a non believer, because it would not be a sign in a man to man discussion (or one man preaching to many) where evangelizing takes place, but it would sound as many believers talking gibberish, to non believers entering the church.
1Co 14:24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
1Co 14:25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.
-But, when a non believers enters a church and hears many prophesying about his life, that will edify him and make him realize that God is among the believers.
---The point made is:
You can destroy the sign of the gift of tongues, when it is misused during the church if non believers show up, it being a sign intended in as one believer shares the Gospel with one or many that speak different languages. It will then not act as a sign to the non believer/s.
What the non believer will benefit from in a church however, is the gift of prophecy.
Prophecy is given for the believers' gathering, tongues is a sign given for non believers to believe (and for the believer that has it[supernaturally edifying himself], and can be for the church if their is interpretation).
Your "contradiction" shows up when you believe that prophecy was also meant to be a sign for believers. It doesn't say that.
Nor does it say that prophecy is a sign for non believers, even though it could be! Why? Because prophecy was not meant to be a sign pointing to God, since "believers" already believe in God.
It talks about how when someone speaks in a special way that not everyone understands, they’re talking to God in a mysterious language that only God knows. But when someone can predict or explain things that help and comfort others, that’s really helpful and kind. It says that when someone speaks in that mysterious way, it helps them grow stronger inside. But when someone helps and comforts others, it makes the whole group of people who believe in God stronger. Paul wishes that everyone could talk in that special way, but they think it’s even better when someone can explain things clearly and help everyone understand, because that helps the group grow and learn together.
Paul explains in verse 23 how uninterpreted tongues is a sign of judgement to unbelievers (what he said by citing Isaiah in v21) and then he goes on to explain how prophesy is a sign for believers in verse 24-25. Both explanations are in reference to the same context of an unbeliever or an uninformed person walking into church/a church where this is happening (v23). The New American Commentary puts it like this:
"The consensus among recent commentaries and specialist studies is that unintelligible tongues leave unbelievers in a state of unbelief, and therefore judgment, while prophecy is able to bring unbelievers to faith. In other words, Paul uses the term “sign” negatively in relation to tongues; that is, tongues are a sign of judgment, shutting up the unbeliever in his unbelief. Prophecy, on the other hand, brings about conversion and in this sense is a positive sign of God’s presence among believers. In a sense the “sign” relates to judgment in both cases, that is, tongues confirm unbelievers in their unbelief while prophecy “judges” the secrets of the heart and leads to conversion.”
Mike, I have to correct you on something. Being fat or even “obese”. does not automatically reveal a person to be gluttonous. Some people are genetically predisposed to being fat and/ or they have a medical condition/ medications that can cause weight gain (sometimes significantly so). We need to be careful with the way we discuss the correlation of gluttony to fat people. If we all ate the same and exercised the same, we still wouldn’t all look the same. Our society has trained us to believe that fatness automatically equals gluttonous behavior and that’s just not always the case.
I mention this because there is strong judgement and dislike of fatness because of its attachment to over eating/ unhealthy eating. It goes without saying that there is much unhealthy eating in our current day, but truly it’s an unfair assessment of a person to think that their fatness automatically points to a sinful behavior. Please I encourage you to consider these things when you start diving into the topic of gluttony and shed light on this issue! I do love and appreciate your content/ ministry very much and I’ll be excited when you provide this new material for us.
Wait till Mike ages just a little bit more and becomes fat LOL. It happens with age.
Society hasn’t trained me anything. Every single overweight person I’ve ever met in 37 years of life over eats and/or doesn’t exercise. A tiny amount of people have genes that do what you describe or medication that makes them fat.
@@beefymario88 Plenty of skinny people also don't over eat or exercise.
@@beefymario88 that’s just not true. I’m not trying to excuse bad eating habits/ no exercise, but so many things contribute to a person’s shape and size beyond those things. You cannot tell me that if we all ate and exercised the same that we’d all have the same body fat percentage. Genetics, age (hormones - slowed metabolism), disease/ medications all play a role. Evidence is pretty clear that there are myriad of factors that affect a person’s body fat percentage beyond eating and exercise alone.
@@seaglass.jen86 They play a much smaller role than you want to admit, though. Of course we wouldn’t all look the same, but the difference for the vast majority of us would be rather minimal overall. Evidence just is not on your side. It’s certainly on the side that people are different, but not to the level that you clearly want it to be.
Tongue is a sign for unbelievers when translated.
When untranslated, you are speaking mysteries, speaking mysteries into the air, and unbelievers would think you are out of your mind. This is where people pick out the word ‘mystery’ and try to build an entire theology on that word, and ignore every context before and after that word.
When you speak tongues untranslated, Paul says you only edify yourself, only you and God understand. He’s not saying you should self edify, he’s not directing anyone to self edify, and there’s no examples of anyone self edifying. In fact, the context shows we are to do the opposite, which is use spiritual gifts to edify the church, for the common good, others that ultimately leads to God receiving the glory. This is consistent throughout NT.
Paul speaks in tongue more than anybody. Again, it’s incorrect to assume you can build an entire theology on this sentence alone that speaking in tongue = using tongue as a private prayer langue to self edify. What’s correct is to assume that Paul is using the gift of tongue according to the context that he himself laid out, which is translated and in an orderly fashion.
Conclusion, there is no such thing as using the gift of tongues as a private prayer language, if so then every believer would have it. 1 Cor. clearly showed that not everyone would have every gift, and in Acts not everyone who received the spirit spoke in tongue. And all spiritual gifts are for the purpose of edifying church. Everything we practice in God’s name comes with clear instructions and examples.
How do you build up people with tongues if you are speaking gibberish. Cults speak gibberish. Tongues was for a time when they did not have the New Testament. When Paul said even if I spoke the tongues of Angels, he is saying even if I spoke the language angels speak. I used to go to Calvary Chapel, and they are good people who love the Lord, but to instruct people to just start speaking using not words and the Spirit will take over is pathetic and shameful. I can’t believe this is still under debate.
Correction:
The HOLY SPIRIT wrote the words of GOD..
HE did not write the Bible, for back then, there was no such thing called the Bible ..
The translated word of GOD is placed in book form. Hence, it's called the Bible ..
If God did not do the bible, who made the bible?
Who compiled the 46 books of the old testament (Scripture) and 27 of the new testament in a single book?
What authority did they have to do it?
Jesus never ordered to write or read any books!!
Confess the Lord Jesus Christ with your mouth and believe in your heart that He died for your sins on the cross and God raised Him from the dead on the third day; repent of your sins and be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit!
How about this, I will explain to you in a way that you can understand why for some there are contradictions and for others there isn't. If you can answer this question for me. The question is: Where in the new testament can this scripture be found? "There are those who teach that they and their group are the only ones saved and everyone else is deceived and going to hell. These people walk according to the flesh and are condemned. Stay far from them." So that there is no confusion, this is not a trick question. I am not trying to deceive you in any way. These scripture verses do in fact exist and they are located within one of the books of the new testament. I look forward to your answer!
Paul says Tongues are a sign to those who are on the outside of the church, but prophecy is for those inside. But churches have it twisted, when you go to church where they do this and you ask,what they are saying, they say you can’t understand, this is only for the church. But the Bible says tongues are only for the outside, as of the day of Pentecost, when God gave 12 unlearned men, the gift of tongues, the gift of linguistics in an instant, and they went out and began to preach. And all those people who were gathered from different countries heard them speak in their own language. It was a sign, that something special is happening here and 3 thousand joined the church. But when our friends gather up in church and start bubbling, would you please tell me what is the good of it?
I dont think this is a contradiction. Tongues are a sign for non believers whether they want to hear it or not. Whether it seems "crazy" or not. Speaking in tongues is to a non believer as prophecy is to a believer. How many "believers" will say some prophecy to be false? Same that non believers may say tongues is strange. Doesnt change what and who its for
It is not a contradiction when you understand that tongues are different human languages (Acts 2:8-11). For example, when an Indonesian attends an English service in Canada, and suddenly someone prophesies in Bahasa Indonesia, the Indonesian would be convinced that the message is from God because it is spoken through a non-Indonesian. However, if those Christians with the gift of other languages decide to speak in other languages at the same time, unbelievers would be utterly confused (Acts 2:13) as also in 1 Corinthians 14:6
Hi Mike, could I humbly suggest that you didn't read enough context to be able to understand the answer? Keeping in mind that we are talking about the operation of the spiritual gifts in the church and not of tongues as a private prayer language, if you work back from verse 27, "If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret." you end up with the clarity that you are looking for.
Whilst in verse 22, tongues are a sign to unbelievers, verse 23 correctly states "...will they not say that ye are mad" when the whole church speaks in tongues at once (or without control). The argument could be made that this is simply an extension of Acts 2:13 "Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine."
If all members of the church can speak in tongues, it is of no spiritual benefit to them in the church at that time. Interpretation and prophecy are for them at that time.
In terms of your answer, once a new person has heard tongues and understands its purpose, it is. time to transition to prophecy, "For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted".
Thus we get in verse 33 "For God is not the author of confusion..."
In summary, I suggest that you think of verses 22-24 as a transition
- the use of tongues in the church is a sign to unbelievers
- it is an obvious sign that something supernatural is/has happened in the church (as per the day of Pentecost)
- in the church, there should be two or at the most three tongues followed by interpretation
- interpretation and prophecy are primarily for the members of the church but are available to "all"
this is what happens when the pentecostals misrepresent the gifts of the Spirit an it becomes a mockery. The gift of speaking in tongues is not the whole church bawling and shouting out words an phrases that they themselves can't interpret, the gift of speaking in tongues is the ability to speak to another in there native language that you yourself could not do. Prophecy has its specific time an place by revelation of God, not some sothe sayer trying to scam people out there money
Thanks for posting
Paul is talking about three different ways toungues have been and/or should be used (for example: speaking within earshot in a known language or unknown language). Also, I believe he is talking about a third type of language...a language of doctrine or worship. All examples were given starting at verse 6. Further examples are given in the book of Acts 2:4, 6-13 - Acts 10: 44-46 - Acts 19:6. It's important to read the whole chapter to get context on what is actually occurring. Much of supposed contradictions come from reading a verse and trying to understand it out of context (usually because the rest of the chapter is ignored).
The best bit was what you said at the end, thanks for doing content that you believe/think is important/necessary. Some videos may not get much attention but they probably get the attention of people who really need what you have to say. Thanks and God bless.
There is the gift of tongue of being able to speak in a language that you never learned like a missionary in a foreign country will speak in the native language of the people in that land that is a way a tongue will benefit a non believer.
Except that Paul says plainly that tongues are speech directed to God, not to anyone else. 1 Corinthians 14:2.
The tongues one is easy. Tongues isn't a whole bunch of "BALOOKA BALOOKA ARRABASHABABABA!!" Tongues are actual spoken languages. The reason tongues are for the unbelievers is so we can witness to the unbelievers in their tongues (language). The interpreter either natively speaks the language or has the gift of miraculous translation from the speaker to the listener in their own native tongues.
So if a whole church is doing all the speaking nonsense, the unbeliever who walks by and hears nothing but a cacophony of yelling in fake/mixed languages will just say they're all nuts and dismiss the faith seeing it as nothing more than people looking for a high whether of emotion of whatever they're smoking in that building.
Please explain how tongues is for witnessing to others when Paul describes tongues as a human or angelic language (1 Corinthians 13:1) _spoken to God_ (1 Corinthians 14:2, 14-16, 28), but not known to the speaker (1 Corinthians 14:2, 14).
How do you solve the 5 wounds of Jesus.... (the overkill in that story )
The way you talked about the tongues was a "Princess Bride" moment with the poison cups.
"Clearly I can't take the cup in front of me..."
There are NO contradiction in the Bible. That's ignorance
BETTER EXPLANATION: I understand: "a sign for the believers" as a sign hat leads to believe and "a sign for unbelievers" as a sign that leads to unbelieve.
R. C. H. Lenski sees it similar:
1. Korinther 14,22: The point to be noted in regard to both the tongues and the prophecy lies in the phrase “for a sign”; and εἶναι (here εἰσί) combined with εἰς: “to be for,” etc., expresses, not the nature of tongues and of prophecy, but the effect.
30:00 could it be that John is wrong? I think of 1 Samuel 15, where Samuel is quoted saying God does not show regret, then four verses after the author himself says God regretted. Biblical infallibility doesn't imply the infallibility of any prophet. There is only one person in the Bible whose quotes are facts. Well, three persons. It's complicated.
No, John was not wrong. Mike made it sound wrong because he incorrectly phrased what Christ accomplished. As to your point about what God says in 1 Sam. 15 about Saul, a more accurate translation would show God saying "it grieves Me that I have set up Saul as king". Regret isn't the emotion God is displaying here. It's profound grief. It deeply hurt God that Saul had greatly squandered the opportunity he was given to be the leader of the nation.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 Why does John have to be right about everything? Why would we think he was? Or Samuel? Whatever "regret" it means, it's the same word when Samuel says God doesn't do it as when the Bible says God does. The point is: the Bible being right doesn't require any of the quotes in it to be right, and contradictions between two quotes in scripture are not contradictions in scripture.
I'm not trying to besmirch the prophets, I think they would agree they were imperfect. I'm trying to illuminate a seeming contradiction.
Jesus did say John was Elijah "if you can accept it". Maybe he couldn't accept it.
I think part of the modern Church's confusion regarding "tongues" comes from not translating it to modern English and not considering historical context. Any use of the lingo understanding of "tongues" clouds the issue because in Paul's time, the word wasn't lingo for "miraculously speaking a language I don't understand." The word "language" is an extremely close synonym to "tongues" down to literally just referencing the organ we most prominently use to speak. In Paul's day, the word simply means language and usually a foreign one. Translating it will help clear away the later developments from interpreting the impact on the reader of Paul's day. Speaking in foreign languages is meant to be a sign for unbelievers simply because these "foreign invaders" have their own languages. And you're right that Acts supports the interpretation. When the Spirit miraculously gave languages to believers in acts, it was so people listening could hear the Gospel in their heart languages and be converted. When people are merely speaking their own foreign languages out loud in the new mixed church all together, it's disorderly and makes the onlooker confused. When someone prays in his own language, but no one else in the room understands, he's the only one who benefits. It's plain and simple to get what's going on. It gets confused by people later describing something a bit different and using "tongues" as a lingo for it. Like Jewish person saying "of course Jesus violated the Sabbath, he and his disciples gathered their own food." The lingo of the time (in part) prevented them from seeing the meaning of the verses in the Torah. They brought their modern cultural baggage to the conversation on interpretation of ancient texts.
So looking back for clarity, tongues are a sign for unbelievers in two different ways. One is that it crosses language barriers. Another is that it actually fulfills God's prophecies to the Jews that people are coming by His Spirit from all nations. Those who heard but didn't believe Christ have this sign, His message is actually bringing in the foreigners. In this second way tongues and prophecy are the same in a way. They connect in that the prophecy shows foreigners coming to speak God's word, to prophecy. So hopefully these are now converted by the fulfilled prophecy of foreigners following Christ when they wouldn't.
So, there are two sets of unbelievers here as well, because of this link. We have unbelievers who are foreign and unbelievers who are Jews that didn't hear Christ. Both can be reached by the witness of the foreign languages in the Church. And then later we're talking about someone walking into the church with a choice between hearing language he doesn't understand, and everyone speaking different languages, or walking in and hearing people speak something he understands that convicts his heart. It's not a real conflict.
Hey Mike, love your content so much! I know you said your ministry is not about targeting other ministries unless you feel something really needs to be addressed but would you be willing to give a thoughtful review about the deliverance movement that is all over the internet? There are some harmful teachings and doctrines coming out of these ministries and their influence is growing. The domino revival film, come out in Jesus name film, men like Alexander Pagani and others.
Just wanted to say how much we appreciate your assistants and moderators like Sarah. We know y'all work really hard.