I feel like your older video "You're not the only one who thinks Kendrick Lamar sucks" was too brief. I feel like people still don't get it. It's your most popular video and I think it needs like a sequel of sorts, it's been 4 years haha. The summary of your video was that he had mostly trash beats, wack rap flow, bad voice, no quotables and the media are brainwashing people into thinking he's the GOAT and there are many 90s rappers better than Kendrick. But I feel like you didn't talk enough about his pandering to white suburban casuals and the foreign market (which a lot of mainstream rappers do such as Eminem, Kanye West, Drake and Travis Scott). GKMC is pretty much designed to be a white suburban bait album, Schoolboy Q also did that with Oxymoron but abandoned it on Blank Face and suffered the consequences. Songs like Bitch Don't Kill My Vibe and Swimming Pools are blatant radio bait songs even Money Trees felt like that as well but it wasn't released as a single. This style of pandering is another major reason why the music isn't good.
@@bonystickmanking1250 Kendrick signed a record deal with Interscope around March 2012, and he was no longer an independent artist (which he was with Section 80). I guess he earned his record deal because the song "ADHD" went Bubbling Under The Hot 100, and thus when he was officially made a mainstream artist, that's when the accessible, mainstream pandering began- obviously to appease the record label by making them money, and thus compromise Kendrick's artistic integrity as a "hiphop" artist. Funnily enough though, Kendrick actually made better music with mainstream pandering, because his attempts at hiphop music on Overly Dedicated, Section 80 and the Kendrick Lamar EP were poor and unremarkable. Anyway, Swimming Pools was the lead single for GKMC, and it's obviously a pop rap song, not really hiphop. It has a catchy, soft, hook that white suburban teens would like, that's why you see a lot of comments on old Kendrick or Rocky videos reminiscing on nostalgia or hearing the song in GTA 5. Because Kendrick and Rocky's demographic in their commercial prime were white kids who grew up with them. Or at least Rocky made sure to have that demographic on his debut album. Now those white kids or whatever have moved on. White casuals are a loose demographic that aren't loyal and have poor understanding on hiphop culture. If you lose those fans you have to rely on your hiphop fanbase and I never truly believed Kendrick had a real core hiphop fanbase. What happened is the media forced him to have one because the white media loved GKMC so much - Kendrick found a way to make casual pop rap music in a desirable marketing package that still embraced hiphop's roots aesthetically. The media push certain narratives and the casuals will see it and ultimately buy into it. The media will make all these videos hailing Kendrick, people buy into it, and then they become advocates of the narrative and it builds up hype for whatever Kendrick has coming next. Now in general, Kendrick raps with very little aggression on GKMC and originally hiphop music was strongly aggressive and had bars. Swimming Pools wasn't that. It was radio music that pioneered how the rest of popular rap music would sound for the rest of that decade and even now. I mean pop-rap has been something that has been taking over since the early 2000s so Kendrick didn't start it, however GKMC was a pioneer of pop rap in the early 2010s. Bitch Don't Kill My Vibe similarly has a weak, baby voice hook that had success. Poetic Justice was another radio bait song. Kendrick has continued to make pop rap music as part of his Interscope deal and has gotten worse and worse at doing it and now heads are finally realizing what they failed to realize before with Kendrick - he is a pop-rapper and a farce.
@@what-rf5kj great comments by the way. And I totally agree. I've mentioned things about Kendrick in my videos here and there. The truth is that we all know what Kendrick is. It's not going to stop some casuals from loving his music/narrative/etc, and that's OK.
Although I disagree with Melle Mel’s take on Biggie and Jay, I’m glad he’s spitting facts about Kendrick, Eminem, Wayne, and Kanye recently. It needs to be said.
I personally don't agree with Melle Mel's comments (nor some of Tochis), but ayy, the man can speak and should. I like hearing from pioneers, especially in Hip Hop, whether i agree or not. If we can see more of em getting away from the DJ Vlads/Akademik types of the world? We'd all be alot better off. I like to see legends doing good and not being used for click-bait shit. Let's be real, thats pretty much all Hip Hop "journalism" is today.
You were the first one to point out Eminem and Rakim shared the same management-which explains the co-sign. Because aside from Rakim, what elder in hip-hop really gave him that stamp of approval?
Kool G Rap and Big Daddy Kane did as well, but either way, it doesn’t matter. Even if they really feel that Em is the GOAT, the stans only care about their opinions when it comes to validating him as such. A lot of them don’t really listen to those guys, they just know that their names carry weight in the genre and think their word is law. Unless they say something about their favorite rapper that they don’t like, then they’re washed and irrelevant 😂
I dont think Rakim believes that nor Kool G Rap. It's industry politics that are forcing the greats to say this. It's sad. Em fans think Em is the GOAT because that's all they know. They haven't dug deep enough to know there are rappers just as if not more talented than Em.
@@mistahmst Fax. Even though he backpedaled, their reaction to Snoop saying Em wasn't in his top ten told me everything I need to know about how they view the hip-hop legends lol
I’m all for cats using Eminem as a gateway looking into the culture to start there and then look into artists like tribe, de al, big L etc but that never happens. They start and stop with Eminem then they look down on every other rapper cause nobody else does that weird ass robotic, no flow and poppy wack beat shit that he does lol
That’s how I was. Eminem was the gateway - but the thing is that it seems like Eminem is dead center hip-hop peak. They don’t realize he is the gateway. Often when I listen to earlier records, I’m like “Wow, he sounds like Eminem.” but then I flip it around: “Eminem sounds like him.”
here's the truth - there were multiple gateway opportunities for white suburbanites to get into hip hop before Em. So if you were of age and didn't get into hip hop prior to Em, I'm looking at you hella sideways. Because it really is "oh look - there's an angry white guy and I can relate." lol
Exactly Melle Mel is all time legend I respect everything he says about hip hop in general even I don't always agree. He should be respected period regardless if you agree with him or not.
Section.80 is pop? Slim Shady LP is pop? No Ceilings is pop? The College Dropout? I’m not a stan of any of these artist but just because they knew how to market themselves to the masses doesn’t mean they ain’t hip-hop. Be serious.
Nothing wrong with pop as long as you can make good hiphop. Drake has shown he is capable of both. Drake is not top 50 all time but has made a few good hiphop songs. Kendrick has failed to do that outside of one or two songs.
@@ClydeCyrus You tryna use the their first project wasn’t pop so that doesn’t make them pop argument and it’s not good Kendrick albums that were pop 1 DAMN (cmon that was pop rap to the fullest ) 2 Tpab you see how boring that shit is alright song is pop af 3 Good kid mad city was POP AF if you can’t admit that then you’re a STAN Eminem basically is POP Rock RAP 😂😂 Kanye same thing all of Kanye’s albums are pop soft rap 😂
I never heard Kendrick by mistake. Anytime I heard his music, I personally pressed play on it. Never in a club or a car passing by, or coming from someone crib.
@@ignaciolopezmarquez I said that to make Melle Mell’s point, Kendrick is overrated and I don’t hear it being played. The influence ain’t really there and it’s propped up.
@@dayoungchief Hahaha ok, that's a shame because it actually would have been more interesting. I think there is an influence. Today more than one artist cares about making concept albums and that's because of Kendrick. We may be debating whether that influence is positive or negative but at the end of the day if he makes music and there are people who enjoy it is all that matters
Well this obviously doesn't mean much because all of Kendrick's commercial albums are charting on the Billboard 200 so people are obviously listening to it. However, maybe they listen to it with headphones. I mean MMATBS is definitely a headphones album. A lot of these mainstream rappers been making headphones music lately honestly.
I'm white and I agreed with Mel's opinion on Eminem. I'm not saying Em's 100% untalented, he's *one of* the best at multisyllabic rhyming and having understandable pronunciation in speed rapping. But for one he couldn't step to guys like Nas, Big Daddy Kane, Rakim, Big Pun, KRS-One, Inspectah Deck, Redman, Andre 3000, Treach, Black Thought etc. His whole career he hasn't had many clever wordplays/punchlines or lyrically unorthodox written bars, for example, '04-'08 Lil Wayne punchlines such as, "You watch your grill what you 'ought to do, 'fore your ribs get barbecued" give you that "OHHH" factor, I've barely ever gotten that "OHHH", factor with any of Eminem bars. In his early career in the limelight he did a lot of gimmicky PR stunts, like dissing and beefing with the most famous pop stars at the time like Christina Aguilera, Britney Spears, NSYNC, etc. using controversy to boost his popularity/record sales. He even admitted in his 2002 song "White America" that "my skin is working to my benefit now" and "they [white people] connected with me 'cause I look like them". I've never cared for most of his topics he's rapped about and 8+ years into the Hip Hop community I've known plenty of people who agree on that, even some who claim to be his fans have said they don't like all his topics. Billboard means absolutely nothing to me, but way too many people have Em in their top lists, and hip hop legend Melle Mel spoke the truth there. At the time he came out, he was the only *somewhat* talented white rapper out, that's what made people interested in him and that's why most folks bought his records and why some even liked him better. If Em was black, most general public and rap heads opinions would be that he's always been just a slightly above average rapper. Top 50? Maybe. But not anywhere near a Top 5 of all time...
I knew you were gonna comment on his vids lol. Great point about the omnipresence of Rakim & Mel's influence. I don't like how ppl are calling him bitter & old because he's voicing his opinion. I remember Lil Kim did a song with Birdman but then years later called him wack so yes a lot of rappers will make a compromise for business purposes.
Nothing but facts. Lil’ Wayne is nothing but a punchline rapper. He’s not saying shit. I mean Fab and Jada (to a degree) were punchline rappers but they could still drop hot bars and say something of substance. Wayne’s whole catalogue consists of him saying “I’m a ____ like ____ get it?!”
@@joshuakithyoma9575 like i said he’s definitely had more conscious music, u right a big portion of it was negative but cant deny his skill and overall impact on the game. Definitely bigger than Fab and Jada and worked harder
I remember when ppl were shitting on meth when he said waka flocka don’t got lyrics. Then apologized after the fact cuz of the backlash. I’m like meth u don’t got to apologize to these wack rappers!
I posted my agreement with Mel's statement in a comment section. Guess who came to his defense. All the white suburbanites who don't know anything about the Golden Era or can't name any mainstream known rapper. They signal Em as they greatest because that's all they know!
_white casual frantically types “who are the best rappers” into a google search and tries to find them saying good things about Eminem_ White casual: “AHA! WELL LOOK AT WHAT [goat rapper] SAID ABOUT EMINEM! THIS MELLY MELL (intentionally misspelled because Eminem fans don’t read despite loving his bazillion iq level lyrics) GUY IS WASHED! CASE CLOSED!”
I wanted to point something out. I’m saying this if anyone wants to correct me but I’m not trying to be offensive or ignorant … but this Eminem things is kinda exposing the hip hop community. Someone in hip hop and this time a very important pioneer expressed what he feels about Eminem and Iv noticed so many black people have come to his defence but where is holding Eminem accountable when he was dissing black people like Michael Jackson and Will Smith, Will smith is considered the corny rapper, yet it’s not corny that Eminem literally sold 10 Mill off rapping about killing his ex wife and mother, no? How come hip hop didn’t stop listening to this guy when benzino exposed those racist songs, Royce always acts like the voice of reason all the time and speaks up for Eminem, I wonder if he said anything to Eminem when he said he was going to walk in the house of hip hop put his feet up and make lord Jamar fetch him the remote ? Everyone’s wants to come to Eminem’s defence yet when it comes to one another, it’s literally crickets at time’s.
all those are the tough questions. The truth of the matter is that they fear Jimmy Iovine, who is powerful as f*ck. It's not just Em - it's his machinery. And the fact that a lot of power got consolidated once the Telecommunications Act of 1996 came into effect. I think Interscope and its parent label ended up owning or having access to a disproportionate amount of urban radio. So if you diss Eminem the Interscope cash cow, that will certainly have major financial consequences.
@@tochiRTA what about the fans though? And not the white stans. Am talking about the black fans and the guys who actually listen to hip hop and not just one rapper (Eminem). They be defending him too, I was reading some of the comments on a few channels recently
Glad Melle Mel got the white kids in a fit of rage. Can already hear them with the usual “WELL WHO'S MELLE MEL? EMINEM IS MAINSTREAM SO OPINION REJECTED! RAKIM (a rapper I don’t listen to, can’t name a single song by, and am only mentioning because he's validating my favorite mediocre rapper) SAID EM IS THE GOAT SO CASE CLOSED!” 😂
Go watch that video of DMX meeting Rakim and see the energy they shared. You can tell these dudes really admire each other’s artistry. Co-signs don’t matter, but compare that to Rakim’s lukewarm ass cosign of Eminem 20 years ago lmfao
Even though I don’t agree with Melle Mel on some things, his opinions are more valid and should be taken into consideration more than any of these dudes on the internet. I also appreciate how he gave Busta props and said he’s better than Eminem cuz Busta deserves more love. On KRS co-signing Lil Wayne, weren’t they doing promotion for something back in the day? I dont really remember the details.
@@ROBSAVY Thats fine, Eminem is his friend, but compare their catalog and it’s obvious who’s better. Busta was in the game strong for about 15 years and has classics people actually play. Not some school shooter bullshit. Eminem’s catalog has aged horribly. And I dont want to hear technique because 1) Eminem isn’t even that ill 2) “technique” doesn’t mean shit if you can’t make good music or at least music that lasts
The funny thing is though, Kendrick barely has an impact, especially considering how much he's sold/been backed by major record labels so in a way he's even less of a rapper then a Future who 1 at least has a few more good songs then him, and 2 has influenced good artists like Playboi Carti/21 and help put Metro on the map. Kendrick doesn't even have that going for him.
@Eugene WATTBA is pretty fire even if its mostly thanks to Drake and Metro. Jumpman, Big Rings, Love from the Gutter. He’s probably better than Lil Wayne lol.
Eh... Future is very well below average as a total rapper package. For 2010s he's a good rapper but of course the bar is very very low. Future's only strengths are his unique voice and his flow is mostly acceptable on the beats he's given. He doesn't over-do it like Kendrick does for example. Scholarships is a nice joint. I personally think ScHoolboy Q is a better rapper than Future but he hasn't been given enough good beats. Him and Mac Miller are better than 21 Savage, Playboi Carti and Future. All these niggas are worse than Rocky and Drake though.
@@user-tb9sq5po6z I feel ya, I completely agree that Future is not an upper echelon rapper at all he'll be lucky to make a top 500 list. School Boys verses on Brand New Guy are great, possibly the best of the 2010s, I like a few songs here and there, John Muir, Numb Numb Juice are dope songs IMO. I will say he definitely has more talent lyrically, overall I'd rate them about the same, as Schools catalogue has little replay value. Mac Miller is definitely better then Future imo, he has at least 4 classic songs, Bird Call, Nikes On My Feet, Angels and One Last Things are super fire, with a healthy amount of decent songs too. Playboi to me has too many classic songs for me to rate him lower and I personally would put Savage Mode over any Mac project. 21's verse on EA was crazy fire as well. Pop Smoke, Drake and Asap Rocky are the 3 best in the 2010s for me. 21/Playboi are probably 4 and 5 for me, Lil B, Mac Miller, are definitely top 10. The other three not too sure, Uzi, maybe School Boy and Future?
@@3lancerofficialmaybe871 Is ScHoolBoy Q a good rapper? Of the 2010s, yes - all time, below average, but Future is even more below average if that makes sense. Technically ScHoolBoy Q is better rapper than Future but Future has a far superior discography indeed. Future's discography is more or less the only reason he's a top 10 MC of the 2010s, if he didn't have it I wouldn't consider him at all. But that's what happens when you have rappers like Drake and Future constantly pumping out music, they will have hidden gems. Future maybe has like 15 decent songs, maybe more... he has a lot of shit. Not "good" songs, though. But anyway, back to ScHoolBoy Q, he's better than Future in the sense that he has clearer enunciation, more charisma, and better rap flow (at least at his best). He's only got about 6-7 decent songs though unfortunately. So basically Future is more legendary and has more of a legacy he can boast about, ScHoolBoy Q unfortunately cannot really do that. ScHoolBoy Q's only decent songs to me are: THat Part, CrasH, Break the Bank, Hell of A Night, I'm Good, My Hatin Joint and Hands on The Wheel. CrasH is probably his best song, it has the greatest replay value of all the songs I listed. You could put that song on loop for a while and it wouldn't get old. Songs like THat Part and Hands on The Wheel are hit songs that do not get old and people will revisit them but they don't have the strong replay value of a song like CrasH. Playboi Carti is a top 10 rapper of the 2010s but he is not in the top 3. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Playboi Carti is too trash lyrically to even be put up that high, it's just embarrassing at this point. The level of effort he puts in is laughable, and his flow is just janky and disjointed. It works, but it's formulaic the more you listen to it. I'm pretty sure Lil Uzi Vert has a better flow than Carti does. Ranking the 2010s rappers is very difficult, I know Rocky and Drake are top 2 and that's about it. And Drake is not a great rapper. Of all time he's average which would be better than ScHoolBoy Q and Future of course. Drake's weaknesses are extremely obvious, he has a formulaic tone about him and does a lot of melodic singing which messes up the rhythm of some of his rap songs, his subject matter is confined to women for the most part and his bars aren't really interesting. In terms of beats as well he hasn't really hopped on any crazy ass beats like ever. Some good beats sure but nothing that makes you go "damn". A lot of his good beats are just decent trap beats more or less but I recognise it's very difficult to get an amazing beat. But he hasn't rapped on a beat on the level of Rap Saved Me or X for example...I honestly wouldn't be able to tell you the best beat Drake has rapped on because it doesn't exist. In fact I always thought if ScHoolBoy Q released more music and sold out a bit like Drake did, he would have been better than him. As for Rocky, his biggest weakness is obviously he isn't focused on music, but on a technical level his other obvious weaknessees are his lack of bars and his overusage of the alphabet flow. He uses a comma this, comma that rap flow a lot (not all the time) and is good at rhyming but usually doesn't say anything of real substance. He doesn't try to impose his authority with his lyrics. He has some decent quotables, more memorable to me than Drake's, but he doesn't do it enough, or at least not on a whole song. I think he was able to balance style and substance on a few songs like LVL, Multiply, Peso, Holy Ghost, Jukebox Joints etc. but it's very inconsistent with him. I think if he had a classic album where he was able to balance lyrics, flow and beats he could potentially be better than a rapper like Big Pun (he died prematurely however) who has only 7 good songs in my opinion, but a song like Beware is vastly superior to anything Rocky has put out lyrically, and it has a good beat and flow, so I'm saying if Rocky could put all of it together in a project with consistency he'd be better.
Chaka Khan didn't approve of the Rolling Stones list, and had some words for Mary J and Mariah Carey. Just goes to show they only want to hear praises and cosigns from the icons, not critiques and enforcement of standards.
I don’t agree with everything mel says because sometimes he contradicts himself, like when he was shitting on jay and big but then at the Grammys he was taking mad pictures with jay 😂 But he’s 100% right that no one wants to rap like Kendrick 😂😂😂 I mean some lames might but that’s negative impact 😂
A little off topic I wonder why nobody talks about Duke Bootee he has too verses on the message and the main reason the song exists in the first place for some reason Melle Mel never mentions him in his interviews
@@owensmith2137 Bam mentioned Mario in an interview with Vlad one time but you can't forget grand wizard Theodore, grandmaster Flowers, or Kool dj Dee either
Things that let me know if a person doesn't know anything about hip hop: 1. If Eminem is in your top 10 2. If it's East Coast biased old head dudes do this and it's annoying like why are you having this conversation 3. If your list is based on 1 Era whack!
Can you now make a video of Melle Mel saying Hov and Nas said nothing that was important and your thoughts on it? Because now a lot of Nas and Hov Stan’s are upset.
Tbh the criticism on Kendrick wasn't even that bad or harsh compared to him just saying he think Wayne is trash. He said Kendrick made some goods but don't got enough records that resonate in the streets and not enough club records. And that Kendrick just like him made conscious records but nobody whose came after wants to rap like Kendrick.
Kendrick wouldn't get all this criticism if the media stopped overhyping him as if he's the best rapper ever who made the best album ever. Kendrick is perfect for the white Billboard media. He has the cleanest image of all rappers of his class aside from J Cole. I'd say J Cole is virtually controversy-free. Kendrick does have some anti-semitism allegations that was uncovered during the DAMN. era with his lyricism, the n-word incident at a concert a few years ago and obviously MMATBS had a few controversies with him including Kodak Black, his use of the F word on Aunties Diaries et al, but in general that's pretty much the only dirt the media have on Kendrick. His image is like a handsome man with no tattoos, no arrests, no obsession with vanity (gold teeth, jewellery, fashion brands) and that's why they love him. They want him to be that guy of this generation (lol "stop playing I'm that guy"). The reason they don't like J Cole as much is because J Cole is from the suburbs and started off making extremely corny music, Cole World is like literally just J Cole fawning over women on the whole album whereas Kendrick had a street image from the getgo and stayed street until DAMN. He didn't make street music but he had that ghetto vibe to him. J Cole had to recover himself with 2 albums in 2014 FHD and 4YEO in a sense but these were still not strong enough bodies of work to give J Cole the clout Kendrick got with his first two commercial albums. Drake and Rocky likewise have way too much controversies to be held in high regard even if they did make good hiphop music. Particularly their antics with high profile women and their materialistic image. They've done the "dumb" shit that Kendrick has completely avoided. So this is why Kendrick is the poster child for the media, OMG Kendrick is dropping!!! It's going to be a masterpiece! THE GOAT!! that's what all they say and then he disappoints and will continue to disappoint because he isn't that special.
@@Ronnie.Raymond its probably so trash, i haven't heard of it smh. and im not interested enough to invest any time. i was never into eminem's music period
Am I the only one that see's the irony in this video and all of the comments using the word Stan (a pop-culture phrase that comes from an Eminem song) to trash him. I don't care how you feel about the guy, but the fact that everyone seems to be missing the irony behind this is hysterical to me.
@@tochiRTA True, but it didn't get coined in the public's mind until the song Stan. Which is the point I'm trying to make. When most people, or the media use that term, they aren't referencing Nas. The cultural impact of that word comes from the song Stan. Again, this isn't about defending Eminem or not defending him, it's just ironic to me.
@@kalkella8822 I don't see the irony. People in general (media included) place anything White on a pedestal and distance non-White creatives from the creation itself. Tale as old as centuries.
I understood that the song Vicious Rap from 1980 was one of the first political or conscious rap songs before melle mel did something but if I'm wrong someone correct me. How well you were when you say that the press, the media or whoever has power and something to sell will say that it is the best to exploit it to the maximum and we see this in all areas of life and not only in music , and this has been happening for centuries and it is nothing new. It may be that saying that X new thing is the best is true or not, but it is time that decides if that was really beneficial or not. For example, if it occurs to me to invent a cell phone that has a telescope but in practice it is not very useful, I cannot say that it is the best because nobody or almost nobody is going to take advantage of that function, precisely that function if it is unique and the day tomorrow it could be of some use but at the time it came out it wasn't and the same thing happens with music. How many 1994 albums sold millions of copies because people at the time liked it and nobody listens to it anymore, and how many people enjoy illmatic and in its day it sold very few copies? If we don't give things time to mature and prosper, we're not doing things right, because if your work is good and we say it's good because we have automated saying that with each new thing that comes out, tomorrow that work loses value even if it is good because by putting it first in the big thing it already loses credibility in the future. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.
"white Russian bots "🤣🤣🤣, im too early 🕺🕺 every melle mel interview has been soo entertaining and full with alot of realness. the most odd thing to me about this whole noise about the billboard's top 50, is everyone talking about and complaining about the placements and order, but i haven't yet seen one guy complaining about.... uhhh... HEELLOOO!!! NO PRODIGY ON TOP 50???they did one of ma 2 fav rappers ever dirty he ain't top 50?that's tuff🤣, is mobb deep one of the biggest hip hop groups a joke to yall ? and ohhh no mf doom ofc 🤣
@@sleepingeagle916 lol I'm not hating on Russian folk. You're right - some Russian guy is probably gonna know more than some random White American when it comes to rap. My Russia bot reference is to 'troll farms'. How some of the most popular Black twitter accounts/Facebook pages aren't actually run by Black folk, but by people in Eastern Europe who get paid to disseminate misinformation/bullshit. www.technologyreview.com/2021/09/16/1035851/facebook-troll-farms-report-us-2020-election/
Facts his music is pure trash I would even take Lil Wayne 1000x over that bum so I don’t know why some people in the comments are saying Kendrick is a better musician
Hey guys it's okay to be old and out of touch / out of date. Just accept that. You don't have to keep comparing your golden days to the time that exists now. Whether or not you like it this is the influential rap of the time. People aren't influenced by '80s rap anymore because that time has come and gone. I think you all are treating melly males words and your feelings about classic hip hop the way metal heads treat '80s metal. Which is that it is the best and everything stop progressing then, which is really sad
i have to agree the younger generation don't care about no 80s or even 90s era hip hop and have absolutely no influence on the current rappers a lot of these guys are old and completely out of touch
U completely right bro. They just dont wanna agree cause they stubborn and cant accept the change in the game 🤣 I appreciate all rap from each era, especially 90s. I do wish at least young people would try to know about the history but I understand that time has passed and gotta give it up to the new gen, not the best music but its art.. art these guys can’t understand 🤷🏾♂️
Tha Carter 3 is terrible. Timeless music speaks for itself. It's a wack album. To Pimp A Butterfly is better. It's mediocre but at least it has interesting jazz production. I think Kendrick is better than Lil Wayne to be honest
@@tochiRTA I'd much rather listen to Kendrick overall though. I mean it's a bit of a muddy ground when we say one rapper is better than another purely based on one song, I think it's variable, I think that comparison is warranted when the two rappers compared lack discography or have similar weaknesses. But to me Kendrick has produced "better" albums than Lil Wayne has. The first half of TPAB is listenable and okay, it goes to shit at the end. Obviously I wouldn't consider it "hard" hiphop music, Kendrick's voice isn't as good as it could be, but hey, I'd rather listen to Wesley's Theory, King Kunta, These Walls and Alright rather than any 4 tracks on a Lil Wayne project. They're at least interesting production wise and don't sound dated. Say what you want about TPAB but the production is decent.
@@coldstolen8666That’s my thought as well. IMO Kendrick’s voice is somewhat more bearable than Lil Wayne’s. Not to mention that in Kendrick’s album there are interesting production choices.
@@aandwdabest Definitely and Kendrick actually has had a decent voice at times. It's just that most of the time he chooses to have a trashy, whiny voice. If Kendrick used his normal voice and could rap on beat he would be a decent rapper. Cartoons and Cereal showed that.
Eminem has made a lot of wack music but there's no way you think "Without Me" is one of his best songs😂 I mean, The Eminem Show was bland af and forgettable - but...there was ONE good song... "Till I Collapse". It's a decent joint. The beat is suspenseful, Nate Dogg delivers a solid hook, Eminem's voice isn't trash, and he flows well and delivers some decent lyrics. I have no idea how any hiphophead can talk about Eminem and not talk about this song. It's literally Eminem's best song. It's obviously not one of the best hiphop songs ever, but it's still better than anything released in this current decade of 2020s hiphop where there may actually not be any dope songs.
I feel like your older video "You're not the only one who thinks Kendrick Lamar sucks" was too brief. I feel like people still don't get it.
It's your most popular video and I think it needs like a sequel of sorts, it's been 4 years haha. The summary of your video was that he had mostly trash beats, wack rap flow, bad voice, no quotables and the media are brainwashing people into thinking he's the GOAT and there are many 90s rappers better than Kendrick.
But I feel like you didn't talk enough about his pandering to white suburban casuals and the foreign market (which a lot of mainstream rappers do such as Eminem, Kanye West, Drake and Travis Scott). GKMC is pretty much designed to be a white suburban bait album, Schoolboy Q also did that with Oxymoron but abandoned it on Blank Face and suffered the consequences. Songs like Bitch Don't Kill My Vibe and Swimming Pools are blatant radio bait songs even Money Trees felt like that as well but it wasn't released as a single. This style of pandering is another major reason why the music isn't good.
If you can, could you explain it more?
@@bonystickmanking1250 Kendrick signed a record deal with Interscope around March 2012, and he was no longer an independent artist (which he was with Section 80). I guess he earned his record deal because the song "ADHD" went Bubbling Under The Hot 100, and thus when he was officially made a mainstream artist, that's when the accessible, mainstream pandering began- obviously to appease the record label by making them money, and thus compromise Kendrick's artistic integrity as a "hiphop" artist. Funnily enough though, Kendrick actually made better music with mainstream pandering, because his attempts at hiphop music on Overly Dedicated, Section 80 and the Kendrick Lamar EP were poor and unremarkable. Anyway,
Swimming Pools was the lead single for GKMC, and it's obviously a pop rap song, not really hiphop. It has a catchy, soft, hook that white suburban teens would like, that's why you see a lot of comments on old Kendrick or Rocky videos reminiscing on nostalgia or hearing the song in GTA 5. Because Kendrick and Rocky's demographic in their commercial prime were white kids who grew up with them. Or at least Rocky made sure to have that demographic on his debut album. Now those white kids or whatever have moved on. White casuals are a loose demographic that aren't loyal and have poor understanding on hiphop culture. If you lose those fans you have to rely on your hiphop fanbase and I never truly believed Kendrick had a real core hiphop fanbase. What happened is the media forced him to have one because the white media loved GKMC so much - Kendrick found a way to make casual pop rap music in a desirable marketing package that still embraced hiphop's roots aesthetically. The media push certain narratives and the casuals will see it and ultimately buy into it. The media will make all these videos hailing Kendrick, people buy into it, and then they become advocates of the narrative and it builds up hype for whatever Kendrick has coming next.
Now in general, Kendrick raps with very little aggression on GKMC and originally hiphop music was strongly aggressive and had bars. Swimming Pools wasn't that. It was radio music that pioneered how the rest of popular rap music would sound for the rest of that decade and even now. I mean pop-rap has been something that has been taking over since the early 2000s so Kendrick didn't start it, however GKMC was a pioneer of pop rap in the early 2010s. Bitch Don't Kill My Vibe similarly has a weak, baby voice hook that had success. Poetic Justice was another radio bait song. Kendrick has continued to make pop rap music as part of his Interscope deal and has gotten worse and worse at doing it and now heads are finally realizing what they failed to realize before with Kendrick - he is a pop-rapper and a farce.
LOL. an update on the hate. Good idea. I just might!
@@what-rf5kj great comments by the way. And I totally agree. I've mentioned things about Kendrick in my videos here and there. The truth is that we all know what Kendrick is. It's not going to stop some casuals from loving his music/narrative/etc, and that's OK.
@@bonystickmanking1250he can't explain lol. He just talking
Although I disagree with Melle Mel’s take on Biggie and Jay, I’m glad he’s spitting facts about Kendrick, Eminem, Wayne, and Kanye recently. It needs to be said.
Big Time
I personally don't agree with Melle Mel's comments (nor some of Tochis), but ayy, the man can speak and should. I like hearing from pioneers, especially in Hip Hop, whether i agree or not. If we can see more of em getting away from the DJ Vlads/Akademik types of the world? We'd all be alot better off. I like to see legends doing good and not being used for click-bait shit. Let's be real, thats pretty much all Hip Hop "journalism" is today.
It feels like real Hip-Hop is back ever since Melle started talking again.
Say no to drugs! EMINEM = GOAT 🐐
@@goatjames328GOAT of trailer parks.
@@KoTM25681😂
You were the first one to point out Eminem and Rakim shared the same management-which explains the co-sign. Because aside from Rakim, what elder in hip-hop really gave him that stamp of approval?
Kool G Rap, Big Daddy Kane, & KRS-One to name a few
Kool G Rap and Big Daddy Kane did as well, but either way, it doesn’t matter. Even if they really feel that Em is the GOAT, the stans only care about their opinions when it comes to validating him as such. A lot of them don’t really listen to those guys, they just know that their names carry weight in the genre and think their word is law. Unless they say something about their favorite rapper that they don’t like, then they’re washed and irrelevant 😂
@@mistahmst 🎯
I dont think Rakim believes that nor Kool G Rap. It's industry politics that are forcing the greats to say this. It's sad. Em fans think Em is the GOAT because that's all they know. They haven't dug deep enough to know there are rappers just as if not more talented than Em.
@@mistahmst Fax. Even though he backpedaled, their reaction to Snoop saying Em wasn't in his top ten told me everything I need to know about how they view the hip-hop legends lol
I’m all for cats using Eminem as a gateway looking into the culture to start there and then look into artists like tribe, de al, big L etc but that never happens.
They start and stop with Eminem then they look down on every other rapper cause nobody else does that weird ass robotic, no flow and poppy wack beat shit that he does lol
Exactly!
That’s how I was. Eminem was the gateway - but the thing is that it seems like Eminem is dead center hip-hop peak.
They don’t realize he is the gateway. Often when I listen to earlier records, I’m like “Wow, he sounds like Eminem.” but then I flip it around: “Eminem sounds like him.”
here's the truth - there were multiple gateway opportunities for white suburbanites to get into hip hop before Em. So if you were of age and didn't get into hip hop prior to Em, I'm looking at you hella sideways. Because it really is "oh look - there's an angry white guy and I can relate." lol
Lmao people shitting on Melle Mel clearly don’t know who the man is. Easily one of the most important figures ever in hip hop
Exactly Melle Mel is all time legend I respect everything he says about hip hop in general even I don't always agree. He should be respected period regardless if you agree with him or not.
Yeah some guy was like “hE dOeSn’T hAvE mUlTi SylLabLeS” 😂
@@Kimeikus really their saying that wow hip hop has gone to shit then 😂😂😂😭
@@abrahampalmer8761 I respect as an OG but he be saying bullshit 🤣
🗑️ garbage
Salute From Native Siberian 🙏Ulan Ude Buryatia 🤝🌉👑🐐
Salute! 🫡
The stans are now gonna try to erase Melle Mel from the legends list 😂😂
😂!
Because they never cared about hip hop in a first place that's why.
@@abrahampalmer8761 facts
They barely know hip-hop past jayz and nas tbh 😅 they not gonna know Melle Mel
@@teebonemalone601 and they take pride in not knowing the older stuff smh
I don’t want to see Kendrick. Wayne, Eminem or Kanye in no top 10 list. They are pop acts…..
Section.80 is pop? Slim Shady LP is pop? No Ceilings is pop? The College Dropout? I’m not a stan of any of these artist but just because they knew how to market themselves to the masses doesn’t mean they ain’t hip-hop. Be serious.
@@ClydeCyrus It’s pop-rap. Kanye always wanted to be a Taylor Swift act.
@@ClydeCyrus 100% pop
Nothing wrong with pop as long as you can make good hiphop. Drake has shown he is capable of both. Drake is not top 50 all time but has made a few good hiphop songs. Kendrick has failed to do that outside of one or two songs.
@@ClydeCyrus You tryna use the their first project wasn’t pop so that doesn’t make them pop argument and it’s not good
Kendrick albums that were pop
1 DAMN (cmon that was pop rap to the fullest )
2 Tpab you see how boring that shit is alright song is pop af
3 Good kid mad city was POP AF if you can’t admit that then you’re a STAN
Eminem basically is POP Rock RAP 😂😂
Kanye same thing all of Kanye’s albums are pop soft rap 😂
I never heard Kendrick by mistake. Anytime I heard his music, I personally pressed play on it. Never in a club or a car passing by, or coming from someone crib.
So that's a good thing for you because you're listening to that music because you like it and not because it's imposed on you every place you go.
@@ignaciolopezmarquez I said that to make Melle Mell’s point, Kendrick is overrated and I don’t hear it being played. The influence ain’t really there and it’s propped up.
@@dayoungchief Hahaha ok, that's a shame because it actually would have been more interesting. I think there is an influence. Today more than one artist cares about making concept albums and that's because of Kendrick. We may be debating whether that influence is positive or negative but at the end of the day if he makes music and there are people who enjoy it is all that matters
Well this obviously doesn't mean much because all of Kendrick's commercial albums are charting on the Billboard 200 so people are obviously listening to it.
However, maybe they listen to it with headphones. I mean MMATBS is definitely a headphones album. A lot of these mainstream rappers been making headphones music lately honestly.
I never hear that niggas music being played anywhere in all honesty I think kendrick gets push through playlist and articles
Yo did you see Fantano's response on what Melle said? the Kendrick stan strikes again😂😂
nope didn't see it. Don't care.
@@tochiRTA Fair enough lol
I'm white and I agreed with Mel's opinion on Eminem. I'm not saying Em's 100% untalented, he's *one of* the best at multisyllabic rhyming and having understandable pronunciation in speed rapping. But for one he couldn't step to guys like Nas, Big Daddy Kane, Rakim, Big Pun, KRS-One, Inspectah Deck, Redman, Andre 3000, Treach, Black Thought etc. His whole career he hasn't had many clever wordplays/punchlines or lyrically unorthodox written bars, for example, '04-'08 Lil Wayne punchlines such as, "You watch your grill what you 'ought to do, 'fore your ribs get barbecued" give you that "OHHH" factor, I've barely ever gotten that "OHHH", factor with any of Eminem bars. In his early career in the limelight he did a lot of gimmicky PR stunts, like dissing and beefing with the most famous pop stars at the time like Christina Aguilera, Britney Spears, NSYNC, etc. using controversy to boost his popularity/record sales. He even admitted in his 2002 song "White America" that "my skin is working to my benefit now" and "they [white people] connected with me 'cause I look like them". I've never cared for most of his topics he's rapped about and 8+ years into the Hip Hop community I've known plenty of people who agree on that, even some who claim to be his fans have said they don't like all his topics. Billboard means absolutely nothing to me, but way too many people have Em in their top lists, and hip hop legend Melle Mel spoke the truth there. At the time he came out, he was the only *somewhat* talented white rapper out, that's what made people interested in him and that's why most folks bought his records and why some even liked him better. If Em was black, most general public and rap heads opinions would be that he's always been just a slightly above average rapper. Top 50? Maybe. But not anywhere near a Top 5 of all time...
Great breakdown bro 💯 and you’re right about Em not having bars like that
Melle Mel never say he didn't belong up there not just 5.He also say Eminem even say it but because say it everybody mad
"But he is whiiiiite, he is whittte" - melle mel 😂
I knew you were gonna comment on his vids lol. Great point about the omnipresence of Rakim & Mel's influence. I don't like how ppl are calling him bitter & old because he's voicing his opinion. I remember Lil Kim did a song with Birdman but then years later called him wack so yes a lot of rappers will make a compromise for business purposes.
Nothing but facts. Lil’ Wayne is nothing but a punchline rapper. He’s not saying shit. I mean Fab and Jada (to a degree) were punchline rappers but they could still drop hot bars and say something of substance. Wayne’s whole catalogue consists of him saying “I’m a ____ like ____ get it?!”
So u never heard ‘how to love’ or the songs were he speaks on his people who died in Hurricane Katrina, listen deeper than whats on the radio
@@ROBSAVY those are 2 songs out of how many songs ? 😆 Weezy is a junky rapper , fashion , sex , drugs and guns that's all he raps about
@@joshuakithyoma9575 like i said he’s definitely had more conscious music, u right a big portion of it was negative but cant deny his skill and overall impact on the game. Definitely bigger than Fab and Jada and worked harder
low level punchlines. "I'm on like the lights, you soft like a pillow" FOH
@@ROBSAVY speaks on Hurricane Katrina in a way that'll bore you to death
I remember when ppl were shitting on meth when he said waka flocka don’t got lyrics. Then apologized after the fact cuz of the backlash. I’m like meth u don’t got to apologize to these wack rappers!
Waka admitted himself he don’t really have bars like that
Even waka admitted he was a wack ass rapper
@@TheNaz1996 this was after he fell off. But he knew back then meth was right
I posted my agreement with Mel's statement in a comment section. Guess who came to his defense. All the white suburbanites who don't know anything about the Golden Era or can't name any mainstream known rapper. They signal Em as they greatest because that's all they know!
_white casual frantically types “who are the best rappers” into a google search and tries to find them saying good things about Eminem_
White casual: “AHA! WELL LOOK AT WHAT [goat rapper] SAID ABOUT EMINEM! THIS MELLY MELL (intentionally misspelled because Eminem fans don’t read despite loving his bazillion iq level lyrics) GUY IS WASHED! CASE CLOSED!”
MELLE MEL FATHER OF RAP
I wanted to point something out. I’m saying this if anyone wants to correct me but I’m not trying to be offensive or ignorant … but this Eminem things is kinda exposing the hip hop community. Someone in hip hop and this time a very important pioneer expressed what he feels about Eminem and Iv noticed so many black people have come to his defence but where is holding Eminem accountable when he was dissing black people like Michael Jackson and Will Smith, Will smith is considered the corny rapper, yet it’s not corny that Eminem literally sold 10 Mill off rapping about killing his ex wife and mother, no? How come hip hop didn’t stop listening to this guy when benzino exposed those racist songs, Royce always acts like the voice of reason all the time and speaks up for Eminem, I wonder if he said anything to Eminem when he said he was going to walk in the house of hip hop put his feet up and make lord Jamar fetch him the remote ? Everyone’s wants to come to Eminem’s defence yet when it comes to one another, it’s literally crickets at time’s.
all those are the tough questions. The truth of the matter is that they fear Jimmy Iovine, who is powerful as f*ck. It's not just Em - it's his machinery. And the fact that a lot of power got consolidated once the Telecommunications Act of 1996 came into effect. I think Interscope and its parent label ended up owning or having access to a disproportionate amount of urban radio. So if you diss Eminem the Interscope cash cow, that will certainly have major financial consequences.
@@tochiRTA what about the fans though? And not the white stans. Am talking about the black fans and the guys who actually listen to hip hop and not just one rapper (Eminem). They be defending him too, I was reading some of the comments on a few channels recently
@@TheNaz1996 to be expected. White supremacy is no joke
Glad Melle Mel got the white kids in a fit of rage. Can already hear them with the usual “WELL WHO'S MELLE MEL? EMINEM IS MAINSTREAM SO OPINION REJECTED! RAKIM (a rapper I don’t listen to, can’t name a single song by, and am only mentioning because he's validating my favorite mediocre rapper) SAID EM IS THE GOAT SO CASE CLOSED!” 😂
Go watch that video of DMX meeting Rakim and see the energy they shared. You can tell these dudes really admire each other’s artistry. Co-signs don’t matter, but compare that to Rakim’s lukewarm ass cosign of Eminem 20 years ago lmfao
Yeah but I'd rather listen to Eminem than mumble rappers like Rakim or Melle Mel
This was a great vid Tochi, you touch on the heavy shit too 💯
thank you!
Even though I don’t agree with Melle Mel on some things, his opinions are more valid and should be taken into consideration more than any of these dudes on the internet. I also appreciate how he gave Busta props and said he’s better than Eminem cuz Busta deserves more love.
On KRS co-signing Lil Wayne, weren’t they doing promotion for something back in the day? I dont really remember the details.
Exactly
Even busta said hes not better but okay 😂
@@ROBSAVY Thats fine, Eminem is his friend, but compare their catalog and it’s obvious who’s better. Busta was in the game strong for about 15 years and has classics people actually play. Not some school shooter bullshit. Eminem’s catalog has aged horribly. And I dont want to hear technique because 1) Eminem isn’t even that ill 2) “technique” doesn’t mean shit if you can’t make good music or at least music that lasts
@@tiger_lord305 thats your opinion but Busta said it himself that Em is better. Point blank, be mad 🤷🏾♂️
@@ROBSAVY I aint mad. If you can stomach Eminem, especially his modern music, more power to you.
The funny thing is though, Kendrick barely has an impact, especially considering how much he's sold/been backed by major record labels so in a way he's even less of a rapper then a Future who 1 at least has a few more good songs then him, and 2 has influenced good artists like Playboi Carti/21 and help put Metro on the map. Kendrick doesn't even have that going for him.
@Eugene I would throw in there March Madness, Holy Ghost and his best song Serve The Bass imo.
@Eugene WATTBA is pretty fire even if its mostly thanks to Drake and Metro. Jumpman, Big Rings, Love from the Gutter. He’s probably better than Lil Wayne lol.
Eh... Future is very well below average as a total rapper package. For 2010s he's a good rapper but of course the bar is very very low. Future's only strengths are his unique voice and his flow is mostly acceptable on the beats he's given. He doesn't over-do it like Kendrick does for example.
Scholarships is a nice joint.
I personally think ScHoolboy Q is a better rapper than Future but he hasn't been given enough good beats. Him and Mac Miller are better than 21 Savage, Playboi Carti and Future. All these niggas are worse than Rocky and Drake though.
@@user-tb9sq5po6z I feel ya, I completely agree that Future is not an upper echelon rapper at all he'll be lucky to make a top 500 list.
School Boys verses on Brand New Guy are great, possibly the best of the 2010s, I like a few songs here and there, John Muir, Numb Numb Juice are dope songs IMO. I will say he definitely has more talent lyrically, overall I'd rate them about the same, as Schools catalogue has little replay value.
Mac Miller is definitely better then Future imo, he has at least 4 classic songs, Bird Call, Nikes On My Feet, Angels and One Last Things are super fire, with a healthy amount of decent songs too. Playboi to me has too many classic songs for me to rate him lower and I personally would put Savage Mode over any Mac project. 21's verse on EA was crazy fire as well.
Pop Smoke, Drake and Asap Rocky are the 3 best in the 2010s for me. 21/Playboi are probably 4 and 5 for me, Lil B, Mac Miller, are definitely top 10. The other three not too sure, Uzi, maybe School Boy and Future?
@@3lancerofficialmaybe871 Is ScHoolBoy Q a good rapper? Of the 2010s, yes - all time, below average, but Future is even more below average if that makes sense. Technically ScHoolBoy Q is better rapper than Future but Future has a far superior discography indeed. Future's discography is more or less the only reason he's a top 10 MC of the 2010s, if he didn't have it I wouldn't consider him at all. But that's what happens when you have rappers like Drake and Future constantly pumping out music, they will have hidden gems. Future maybe has like 15 decent songs, maybe more... he has a lot of shit. Not "good" songs, though.
But anyway, back to ScHoolBoy Q, he's better than Future in the sense that he has clearer enunciation, more charisma, and better rap flow (at least at his best). He's only got about 6-7 decent songs though unfortunately. So basically Future is more legendary and has more of a legacy he can boast about, ScHoolBoy Q unfortunately cannot really do that. ScHoolBoy Q's only decent songs to me are: THat Part, CrasH, Break the Bank, Hell of A Night, I'm Good, My Hatin Joint and Hands on The Wheel. CrasH is probably his best song, it has the greatest replay value of all the songs I listed. You could put that song on loop for a while and it wouldn't get old. Songs like THat Part and Hands on The Wheel are hit songs that do not get old and people will revisit them but they don't have the strong replay value of a song like CrasH.
Playboi Carti is a top 10 rapper of the 2010s but he is not in the top 3. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Playboi Carti is too trash lyrically to even be put up that high, it's just embarrassing at this point. The level of effort he puts in is laughable, and his flow is just janky and disjointed. It works, but it's formulaic the more you listen to it. I'm pretty sure Lil Uzi Vert has a better flow than Carti does.
Ranking the 2010s rappers is very difficult, I know Rocky and Drake are top 2 and that's about it. And Drake is not a great rapper. Of all time he's average which would be better than ScHoolBoy Q and Future of course. Drake's weaknesses are extremely obvious, he has a formulaic tone about him and does a lot of melodic singing which messes up the rhythm of some of his rap songs, his subject matter is confined to women for the most part and his bars aren't really interesting. In terms of beats as well he hasn't really hopped on any crazy ass beats like ever. Some good beats sure but nothing that makes you go "damn". A lot of his good beats are just decent trap beats more or less but I recognise it's very difficult to get an amazing beat. But he hasn't rapped on a beat on the level of Rap Saved Me or X for example...I honestly wouldn't be able to tell you the best beat Drake has rapped on because it doesn't exist. In fact I always thought if ScHoolBoy Q released more music and sold out a bit like Drake did, he would have been better than him. As for Rocky, his biggest weakness is obviously he isn't focused on music, but on a technical level his other obvious weaknessees are his lack of bars and his overusage of the alphabet flow. He uses a comma this, comma that rap flow a lot (not all the time) and is good at rhyming but usually doesn't say anything of real substance. He doesn't try to impose his authority with his lyrics. He has some decent quotables, more memorable to me than Drake's, but he doesn't do it enough, or at least not on a whole song. I think he was able to balance style and substance on a few songs like LVL, Multiply, Peso, Holy Ghost, Jukebox Joints etc. but it's very inconsistent with him. I think if he had a classic album where he was able to balance lyrics, flow and beats he could potentially be better than a rapper like Big Pun (he died prematurely however) who has only 7 good songs in my opinion, but a song like Beware is vastly superior to anything Rocky has put out lyrically, and it has a good beat and flow, so I'm saying if Rocky could put all of it together in a project with consistency he'd be better.
I was waiting for this 😂
Chaka Khan didn't approve of the Rolling Stones list, and had some words for Mary J and Mariah Carey. Just goes to show they only want to hear praises and cosigns from the icons, not critiques and enforcement of standards.
exactly
I don’t agree with everything mel says because sometimes he contradicts himself, like when he was shitting on jay and big but then at the Grammys he was taking mad pictures with jay 😂
But he’s 100% right that no one wants to rap like Kendrick 😂😂😂 I mean some lames might but that’s negative impact 😂
Exactly
A little off topic I wonder why nobody talks about Duke Bootee he has too verses on the message and the main reason the song exists in the first place for some reason Melle Mel never mentions him in his interviews
Grandmaster Flash, Kool Herc and Afrika Bambaataa never mention Disco King Mario
@@owensmith2137 Bam mentioned Mario in an interview with Vlad one time but you can't forget grand wizard Theodore, grandmaster Flowers, or Kool dj Dee either
@@mw488 Good point. I need to learn about them
@@mw488 That is only one example though
Things that let me know if a person doesn't know anything about hip hop:
1. If Eminem is in your top 10
2. If it's East Coast biased old head dudes do this and it's annoying like why are you having this conversation
3. If your list is based on 1 Era whack!
Young guru once said you can basically explain every life situation through the wire quotes and Hov bars 😂 he wasn’t lying
Well said, great video . Salute!!
Can you now make a video of Melle Mel saying Hov and Nas said nothing that was important and your thoughts on it? Because now a lot of Nas and Hov Stan’s are upset.
stans will NEVER understand real hip hop.
Tbh the criticism on Kendrick wasn't even that bad or harsh compared to him just saying he think Wayne is trash. He said Kendrick made some goods but don't got enough records that resonate in the streets and not enough club records. And that Kendrick just like him made conscious records but nobody whose came after wants to rap like Kendrick.
what song comes on at the 18:52 mark?
Method Man - Torture
@@tochiRTA thank you lots
Great video 100% agreed
Kendrick wouldn't get all this criticism if the media stopped overhyping him as if he's the best rapper ever who made the best album ever.
Kendrick is perfect for the white Billboard media. He has the cleanest image of all rappers of his class aside from J Cole. I'd say J Cole is virtually controversy-free. Kendrick does have some anti-semitism allegations that was uncovered during the DAMN. era with his lyricism, the n-word incident at a concert a few years ago and obviously MMATBS had a few controversies with him including Kodak Black, his use of the F word on Aunties Diaries et al, but in general that's pretty much the only dirt the media have on Kendrick. His image is like a handsome man with no tattoos, no arrests, no obsession with vanity (gold teeth, jewellery, fashion brands) and that's why they love him. They want him to be that guy of this generation (lol "stop playing I'm that guy"). The reason they don't like J Cole as much is because J Cole is from the suburbs and started off making extremely corny music, Cole World is like literally just J Cole fawning over women on the whole album whereas Kendrick had a street image from the getgo and stayed street until DAMN. He didn't make street music but he had that ghetto vibe to him. J Cole had to recover himself with 2 albums in 2014 FHD and 4YEO in a sense but these were still not strong enough bodies of work to give J Cole the clout Kendrick got with his first two commercial albums. Drake and Rocky likewise have way too much controversies to be held in high regard even if they did make good hiphop music. Particularly their antics with high profile women and their materialistic image. They've done the "dumb" shit that Kendrick has completely avoided. So this is why Kendrick is the poster child for the media, OMG Kendrick is dropping!!! It's going to be a masterpiece! THE GOAT!! that's what all they say and then he disappoints and will continue to disappoint because he isn't that special.
It’s all about the money. Nas co-signed Soulja boy
Did Nas really co sign Soulja boy??? I know 50 cent did but if Nas did I’m shocked
🤓- " eminem will straight slaughter jay z, nas, and melly mel combined dude"
😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
_“The Eminem Show_ is better than any album of any genre” -🤓
(I’ve actually seen someone unironically make this argument. Hip-hop is dead 😞)
@@Ronnie.Raymond I tried to listen to the Eminem Show yesterday. Couldn't make it thru the first half. Unlistenable.
@@tochiRTA Superman is okay, but even that gets ruined by the content. Like whining about Mariah like a 13 year old incel is so not hip hop.
@@3lancerofficialmaybe871 Nah absolutely not Superman is ass. The verses are acceptable the hook kills the song.
@@Ronnie.Raymond its probably so trash, i haven't heard of it smh. and im not interested enough to invest any time. i was never into eminem's music period
Am I the only one that see's the irony in this video and all of the comments using the word Stan (a pop-culture phrase that comes from an Eminem song) to trash him. I don't care how you feel about the guy, but the fact that everyone seems to be missing the irony behind this is hysterical to me.
it's hysterical to me that you're trying the tired stan angle when that shit BEEN debunked and explained. Thank Nas for creating the term 'stan'.
@@tochiRTA True, but it didn't get coined in the public's mind until the song Stan. Which is the point I'm trying to make. When most people, or the media use that term, they aren't referencing Nas. The cultural impact of that word comes from the song Stan. Again, this isn't about defending Eminem or not defending him, it's just ironic to me.
@@tochiRTA Didn’t Nas first say stan on Ether which came out in 2001 and Stan came out in 2000?
@@forcedtohaveahandle yep. and no one was referencing stan as a term for anything until Nas said it and we all laughed.
@@kalkella8822 I don't see the irony. People in general (media included) place anything White on a pedestal and distance non-White creatives from the creation itself. Tale as old as centuries.
I think fantano made a video about this
it's possible
I understood that the song Vicious Rap from 1980 was one of the first political or conscious rap songs before melle mel did something but if I'm wrong someone correct me. How well you were when you say that the press, the media or whoever has power and something to sell will say that it is the best to exploit it to the maximum and we see this in all areas of life and not only in music , and this has been happening for centuries and it is nothing new. It may be that saying that X new thing is the best is true or not, but it is time that decides if that was really beneficial or not. For example, if it occurs to me to invent a cell phone that has a telescope but in practice it is not very useful, I cannot say that it is the best because nobody or almost nobody is going to take advantage of that function, precisely that function if it is unique and the day tomorrow it could be of some use but at the time it came out it wasn't and the same thing happens with music. How many 1994 albums sold millions of copies because people at the time liked it and nobody listens to it anymore, and how many people enjoy illmatic and in its day it sold very few copies? If we don't give things time to mature and prosper, we're not doing things right, because if your work is good and we say it's good because we have automated saying that with each new thing that comes out, tomorrow that work loses value even if it is good because by putting it first in the big thing it already loses credibility in the future. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.
"white Russian bots "🤣🤣🤣, im too early 🕺🕺
every melle mel interview has been soo entertaining and full with alot of realness. the most odd thing to me about this whole noise about the billboard's top 50, is everyone talking about and complaining about the placements and order, but i haven't yet seen one guy complaining about.... uhhh... HEELLOOO!!! NO PRODIGY ON TOP 50???they did one of ma 2 fav rappers ever dirty he ain't top 50?that's tuff🤣, is mobb deep one of the biggest hip hop groups a joke to yall ? and ohhh no mf doom ofc 🤣
Yoooo White Russian bot was too much man I’m dying 😂😂😂😂
@@sleepingeagle916 lol I'm not hating on Russian folk. You're right - some Russian guy is probably gonna know more than some random White American when it comes to rap. My Russia bot reference is to 'troll farms'. How some of the most popular Black twitter accounts/Facebook pages aren't actually run by Black folk, but by people in Eastern Europe who get paid to disseminate misinformation/bullshit.
www.technologyreview.com/2021/09/16/1035851/facebook-troll-farms-report-us-2020-election/
"I Got You Stuck Of The Realness"
"I Got The Style Of A Stillborn Child"
No rapper post 2000 got bars like that!
Melly mel is dat dude who was rappin in the PAL boys club in 1979 on Webster Ave and 183rd st in the Bronx!lol
lol. you from the BX?
Method Man calls Melle Mell out on Math hoffa podcast, Saying MELLE MEL HAS SHITED ON RAPPERS AFTER HIM.😂😂😂😂😂
YES!!! THANK YOU!!! 😂
Everything about Kendrick is wack 🤦🏿♂️ his hair style , his flow , his beats , his ad libs , EVERYTHING
Facts his music is pure trash I would even take Lil Wayne 1000x over that bum so I don’t know why some people in the comments are saying Kendrick is a better musician
Hey guys it's okay to be old and out of touch / out of date. Just accept that. You don't have to keep comparing your golden days to the time that exists now. Whether or not you like it this is the influential rap of the time. People aren't influenced by '80s rap anymore because that time has come and gone. I think you all are treating melly males words and your feelings about classic hip hop the way metal heads treat '80s metal. Which is that it is the best and everything stop progressing then, which is really sad
Gibberish johnny^
“People aren’t influenced by good rap anymore”
Yeah, and the genre’s quality has been tanking ever since, so how is that going for you lol
i have to agree the younger generation don't care about no 80s or even 90s era hip hop and have absolutely no influence on the current rappers a lot of these guys are old and completely out of touch
U completely right bro. They just dont wanna agree cause they stubborn and cant accept the change in the game 🤣 I appreciate all rap from each era, especially 90s. I do wish at least young people would try to know about the history but I understand that time has passed and gotta give it up to the new gen, not the best music but its art.. art these guys can’t understand 🤷🏾♂️
@@ROBSAVY 100% agreed
Tha Carter 3 is terrible.
Timeless music speaks for itself. It's a wack album.
To Pimp A Butterfly is better. It's mediocre but at least it has interesting jazz production.
I think Kendrick is better than Lil Wayne to be honest
I dunno. both are trash but I might take Lil Wayne over Kendrick. A Milli is better than any Kendrick song I've ever heard.
@@tochiRTA I'd much rather listen to Kendrick overall though. I mean it's a bit of a muddy ground when we say one rapper is better than another purely based on one song, I think it's variable, I think that comparison is warranted when the two rappers compared lack discography or have similar weaknesses. But to me Kendrick has produced "better" albums than Lil Wayne has. The first half of TPAB is listenable and okay, it goes to shit at the end. Obviously I wouldn't consider it "hard" hiphop music, Kendrick's voice isn't as good as it could be, but hey, I'd rather listen to Wesley's Theory, King Kunta, These Walls and Alright rather than any 4 tracks on a Lil Wayne project. They're at least interesting production wise and don't sound dated. Say what you want about TPAB but the production is decent.
@@coldstolen8666That’s my thought as well. IMO Kendrick’s voice is somewhat more bearable than Lil Wayne’s. Not to mention that in Kendrick’s album there are interesting production choices.
@@aandwdabest Definitely and Kendrick actually has had a decent voice at times. It's just that most of the time he chooses to have a trashy, whiny voice. If Kendrick used his normal voice and could rap on beat he would be a decent rapper. Cartoons and Cereal showed that.
U really love that method song🤣🤣
that's a whole fact!
Eminem has made a lot of wack music but there's no way you think "Without Me" is one of his best songs😂
I mean, The Eminem Show was bland af and forgettable - but...there was ONE good song... "Till I Collapse". It's a decent joint. The beat is suspenseful, Nate Dogg delivers a solid hook, Eminem's voice isn't trash, and he flows well and delivers some decent lyrics. I have no idea how any hiphophead can talk about Eminem and not talk about this song. It's literally Eminem's best song. It's obviously not one of the best hiphop songs ever, but it's still better than anything released in this current decade of 2020s hiphop where there may actually not be any dope songs.
How about soldier? Also he did well on don't aproach me
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