Perfectly laid out brother. The people claim ignorance and then force their ignorance on others. And then when confronted rationally, they cling to hyper-skepticism.
That is not the position of atheism - to suspend any acknowledgment as to the reality of any particular god until sufficient credible evidence is presented.
@@Tony-fq3pp First, theism is the belief in the existence of a divine reality, usually referring to monotheism and opposed to polytheism, pantheism, atheism, etc. This pure monotheism is Islam. The support of Islam is the Quran, and the Quran explained, in the 7th century, the embryonic stages during pregnancy, which was tested by science and found to be accurate and true.
@@monotheistmedy no cosmologist says the universe came into existence, they presuppose it, they argue for that possibility, but they don't affirm that it is so.
@@monotheistmedy so basically, one idea is that the universe has always existed, in essence, just like how thiest say "god always exists", the universe always exist, but like I said before it's just ideas, no one really knows how the universe ultimately works.
Atheism: most likely of the gaps / time of the gaps / chance of the gaps / randomness of the gaps / complexity of the gaps / I don't know of the gaps 😂
I am not convinced any particular god is a reality, for I have never encountered any credible evidence suggesting such a reality. So, until I do encounter sufficient credible evidence that such a reality exists, I will continue to suspend any acknowledgment concerning the truth of _your_ claim that one does. THAT represents the entirety of my position of atheism. Instead of fearing this rational position and disparaging those that hold to it, take the time and effort to understand the position.
This guy bearly wants to listen to others point, he is talking over the other persons answer, constantly interrupting, while both atheist in this video listen, then answer to the questions asked (although they're interrupted Everytime before they can let a thought through)
The first guy will never believe anything like you said if a proposition goes against his wills and desires he will reject it saying nothing can be proven and we “don’t know” so these people are destined to dine in nihilism for eternity the second professor looking dude was about to make a claim that if such a book exists which has descended from god then it would be …. This is a logical fallacy of “moving the goal posts” where you essentially dismiss what is being presented and then go on to make your own claim of what the evidence should or would be should be
Plus when they say the book should be written like X/Y, they are also assuming they know all the reasons why God wrote it how he did, and that their version will achieve the same result that Allah intended. Or when they say Allah should have designed eye like A, or spine like B, sometimes its their engineering knowledge which lacks, or their understanding of Allah's design intentions that lacks
It's actually the Muslim who picked the proposition that aligns with his bias and even took one scientist as Authority which is pretty dumb. The Atheist simply explains that there are other possibilities as other scientists propose but Hamza rejects those on the basis of them going against his worldview. So what you say is simply not true. To maintain his Muslim position, Hamza MUST believe the universe began or else.... So he MUST reject anything else. There you have a clear cut bias which an Atheist doesn't have.
Olbers Paradox, Hubbles Discovery, nor the laws of logic regarding an infinite regress are not a "Muslim" proposistion. In regards to his conjecture about the universes expansion and then subsequent collapse, what is he basing this on? What is this gigantic force that pulls the universe back in on itself? The expansion of the universe from a singularity is a well accepted scientific based opinion. What you are calling for is total conjecture and wooo.
13:42 Wow, I've never actually heard "Syllogism" dropped in a sentence IRL, props! This was an interesting discussion, however the "Athiest" seems to hold the logical position. I'd say he's really agnostic, it's completely reasonable to accept when we don't know something, he was consistent with that.
@@Theo_Skeptomai THE UNIVERSE: The universe is everything. It includes all of space, and all the matter and energy that space contains. It even includes time itself and, of course, it includes you.
@@issameldein7671presenting a stance does not mean you know something?? if you claim you know there to be a god then yes explain how you know or it's just a claim
MashaAllah, Brother Hamza you have so much patience. This guy had no concrete view on the issues, and you carried the conversation so well. It's really hard to talk to people like this. He probably waffles like this on other issues too, not just about God.
It's not 'unreasonable' to believe the universe had a cause. It is however unreasonable to propose an even more complex entity than the universe caused it, that there was nothing before that, and that it cares what meat you eat and who you sleep with without a working top down model of creation, or even a testable hypothesis, all based on a 1400 year old book. That's unreasonable.
@@Theo_Skeptomai "How did you determine the universe had a cause?" - He didn't state it did, did he ? He said "It's not 'unreasonable' to believe the universe had a cause." I'd go along with that. It may not have had a cause. It may be eternal.
@@Russ--R Sure. Im gonna go board the train that says NOTHING caused the universe to spring into existence. Maybe Wylie Coyote had the big bang somewhere eh ?
Qur'an Surah Baqarah (2) Verse 11-16. And when it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "We are only peacemakers." Verily! They are the ones who make mischief, but they perceive not. Whenever they are told: “Believe as others believe,” they answer: “Shall we believe as the fools have believed?” Indeed it is they who are the fools, but they are not aware of it. Allah jests with them, leaving them to wander blindly on in their rebellion. These are the ones who have purchased error in exchange for guidance. This bargain has brought them no profit and certainly they are not on the Right Way.16
I think Hamza should start with "do you believe you exist" with every atheists and if the answer is idk just walk away because there's nothing you could say after that can convince them
I haven’t finished the video yet but he’s basically saying we are wrong for believing in Allah and he’s right that he evolved from a flipping fish. I’m speechless bruh what the hell
بارك الله فيكم... اللهم اغفر لوالدينا و ارحمهما و اجمعنا معهما في الفردوس الأعلى مع الأنبياء و الشهداء و الصالحين و جميع موتى المسلمين.. اللهم احقن دماء المسلمين و انصرهم على من عاداهم.. رب إني مسني الضر و أنت أرحم الراحمين... لا إله إلا أنت سبحانك إني كنت من الظالمين..... .... :.......... . . . .
Saying “Allah knows best” alligns with our belief and does not EQUAL “I DONT KNOW”, yes you can say it when you require more knowledge on a topic but we are not the creator, so certain things we do not know brother😂 we believe we have limited capabilities and will not understand things that only the ceator understands. Hence the reason for faith. We believe that the attributes of God cannot be likened to a human and vice versa. Like hamza said in the video our goalposts dont move…the Quran and the sunnah is all we need. But saying “I dont know” means YOU DONT KNOW and hence why you have no stance in an arguement. you are not establishing your said “goalposts” as there is none…..yet you’re quick to attack our goalpost that doesnt move and it is out in public. Alhumdullilah, no book out there has the credibility like the Quran. Unless you have a closed heart….thats something you need to speak to God about, because once again “allah knows best” as to why you havent got that connection with him yet. That is something personal to you and something you need to look for.
@@AndresCampos-zx1cj where am i Pretending….there is a book called the Quran and a messenger who revealed it. That quran has not been changed since the time of the Prophet SAW and never will be. It was spoken and groups of people came to listen and learn. This is where my research of 25 years come in handy….how many years have you questioned your existence?
Atheism is not a religion. I am not convinced any particular god is a reality, for I have never encountered any credible evidence suggesting such a reality. So,until I do encounter sufficient credible evidence that such a reality exists, I will continue to suspend any acknowledgment concerning the truth of _your_ claim that one does. THAT represents the entirety of my position of atheism. Instead of fearing this rational position and disparaging those that hold to it, take the time and effort to understand the position.
@Theo_Skeptomai it is a religion. You take your own whims and desires as God. You think you're clever by not taking a positive position on anything. The majority of atheists subscribe to naturalism only accepting what can be observed and tested in the natural world providing empirical evidence.the problem is that this doesn't account for the metaphysical world. The philosophy of science suggests that you have to make assumptions before even testing anything. This equates to belief in something before empirical evidence. You can't science without accepting this position. Testimony is a large part of this position and an acceptable form of evidence. Which atheist tend to deny. Rationality, logic, and deductive reasoning escape atheist because you hang your hats on empirical evidence or "I don't know" which you think means other people don't know. You're hyper skeptical about things you normally shouldn't be skeptical about. I often find that atheists want to do what they want when they want and reject God because believing in God takes submission and discipline.
"I don’t know how that man makes it through life. “I don’t know” for anything he’s asked." He should have really said "no one knows". Theism is just a subjective belief.
@@Theo_Skeptomai And I answered? If an atheist says that God doesn't exist, he's also making a claim and has to provide proof that he doesn't. If a theist says he does, then he has to provide proof as well.
@@LordLentils Do you agree only parties that have asserted a claim to truth incur a burden of evidence demonstrating the truth of their claim? Yes or no.
1:27 You actually can brother, telling the future is only a quality of the Lord who knows Everything. No one has ever done this, and we have solid proof of this as Muslims.
The cosmologists don't know if the universe always existed. We can't investigate beyond Planck time. At best we can say this universe in it's current form had a beginning of sorts.
This bloke is caught in a blind conundrum. One day he is gonna have an excellent reason for him to believe in God, and its usually a loved one who needs healing or something along those lines. But when the reason for him to believe ends in failure, the failure will callous his heart to an extraordinary degree and he will become a militant atheist. And his one reason to believe but because it ends in failure will be the foundation for his entire belief to trust staunchly in his atheism.
When our "energy source" becomes lesser and lesser so we could surely know "its" "begin" at certain points...peace be upon you'll out there and assalamualaiqum wmt
the best explanation for this guys point of view is: I havent read about anything regarding science OR religion; I just dont know; But according to what I know I find that you're opinion and point of view of claiming something is wrong. XD Bro!!! STUDY, then have a CONVO. you cants say: I find what you believe absurd and you cannot be certain (just) because I'M UNCERTAIN and I DONT KNOW.
@@Theo_Skeptomai science doesn't prove nor disapprove the existence of God, however if you have a decent knowledge of science it can help you get some answers like the one in this video for example of the guy was well versed he would've understood that the universe did start somewhere, and in addition there are scientific miracles in the Quran that simply couldn't have been known back then and only later they were discovered and in fact they were laughed at at first, so i think science while it doesn't prove such this, it can help.
0:46 This is a lie. Cosmologists don''t say that the universe hasn't always existed. You clearly haven't listed to Sean Carroll or Alan Guth on this matter. Both say that they don 't know if the universe is eternal, that nobodies knows but it very likely is. Cosmologists say that the universe _as we know it_ is not eternal, so you've misrepresented their position.
@skiphariest I am an atheist. I define atheism as suspending any acknowledgment as to the reality of any particular god until sufficient credible evidence is introduced. My position is that *_I have no good reason to acknowledge the reality of any god._* And here is why I currently hold to such a position. Below are 10 facts I must consider when evaluating the claim made by certain theists that some god exists in reality. To be clear, these are not premises for any argument concluding there to be no gods. These are simply facts I must take into account when evaluating such a claim. 1. I personally have never observed a god. 2. I have never encountered any person who has claimed to have observed a god. 3. I know of no accounts of persons claiming to have observed a god that were willing or able to demonstrate or verify their observation for authenticity, accuracy, or validity. 4. I have never been presented a valid logical argument that also employed sound premises that lead deductively to a conclusion that a god(s) exists in reality. 5. Of the many logical syllogisms I have encountered arguing for the reality of a god(s), I have found all to contain either logical fallacies or false or unsubstantiated premises. 6. I have never observed a phenomenon in which the existence of a god was a necessary antecedent for the known or probable explanation for the causation of that phenomenon. 7. Several proposed (and generally accepted) explanations for observable phenomena that were previously based on the agency of a god(s), have subsequently been replaced with rational, natural explanations, each substantiated with evidence that excluded the agency of a god(s). I have never encountered _vice versa._ 8. I have never experienced the presence of a god through intercession of angels, divine revelation, the miraculous act of divinity, or any occurrence of a supernatural event. 9. Every phenomenon that I have ever observed has *_emerged_* from necessary and sufficient antecedents over time without exception. In other words, I have never observed a phenomenon (entity, process, object, event, process, substance, system, or being) that was created _ex nihilo_ - that is instantaneously came into existence by the solitary volition of a deity. 10. All claims of a supernatural or divine nature that I have encountered have either been refuted to my satisfaction or do not present as falsifiable. ALL of these facts lead me to the only rational conclusion that concurs with the realities I have been presented - and that is the fact that there is *_no good reason_* for me to acknowledge the reality of any god. I have heard often that atheism is the denial of the Abrahamic god. But denial is the active rejection of a substantiated fact once credible evidence has been presented. Atheism is simply withholding such acknowledgment until sufficient credible evidence is introduced. *_It is natural, rational, and prudent to be skeptical of unsubstantiated claims, especially extraordinary ones._* I welcome any cordial response. Peace.
@@Theo_Skeptomai 1. If you don't know, it doesn't mean that it's not exist 2. You, yourself is an example of any powerful being that creates orders 3. I've seen a lot of atheist and each one of them defines atheism differently 4. Most atheist answers "I don't know" while others gave evidences but they keep rejecting it, how come a "not knowing" person comes to reject any evidences? And when people ask "what kind of evidences you want?", and they reply "I don't know" 🤣
There is no atheist on sinking ship as mentioned in the Quran - ( " When they board a ship, they supplicate Allah, sincere to Him in religion. But when He delivers them to the land, at once they associate others with Him " 29:65 )
Their excuses are never very good, but this is just a completely transparent lol. The real issue is that they refuse to submit. It's not something they're willing to do.
@@Theo_Skeptomaino, a critical thinker would know that there is a God by himself, no need to read or see anything. Thats why children are all born theists and take different directions when they grow older.
I will begin by defining what I consider to be 'evidence' and build from there. I consider 'evidence' to be ANY presentation that substantiates the truth of a claim. I consider 'credible evidence' to be that which is verifiable for validity, accuracy, and authenticity. I consider 'sufficient credible evidence' to be that which can convince me as to the truth of a claim.
Imagine if scientists were like Creationists and, instead of simply presenting their evidence that shows they are right, they asked us to figure out what would show they are right. It is not my duty to figure out what evidence would show God exists. I am not the one making the claim. If God is omniscient, he knows what would convince me he exists, and if God is omnipotent, he can provide it. It is not my fault that he never produces evidence that convinces me.
It's really not "hypersceptical" to admit you don't know the answer to questions that have yet to be determined by professional cosmologists working in the field.
@@Theo_Skeptomai are you that atheist on the video? He is the most misguided person because he lacks any sort of guidance whether divine guidance or philosophical or scientific one. He is hyperskeptical about everything, even about what's agreed upon by leading scientists on the field. He is the most confused person because he doesn't even understand his own stance; he is asking for evidence for the existence of God but he doesn't have the criteria of what a convincing evidence for it so no one can give him the evidence which would make him convince that God does exist.
I love how much theists oppose the notion of saying, "I don't know." It really reveals how much their position is predicated on accepting unsubstantiated claims as if they are truth.
if everything he does not know and everything can be right or wrong and he has not one stable idea, so how can any one convince him of anything?...he just rejected steven and d=Dokens ideas as well
If this guy thinks he’s more intelligent than renowned atheists like Richard dawkins who accept a lot of the premises for the existence of God, he’s obviously very delirious. It is not intellect that stops us from accepting that there is a being greater than us but arrogance and this man is full of it, very sad indeed. We’re all going inside a 6 by 6 tomb at the end of our very short-lived lives here so whether you want to accept the existence of God now rather than then, take every chance you’ve got is my humble advice
Hamza, denying his entire position is nothing more than 'God of the Gaps', but he's knows he's got nothing to actually base any of it on, so tries to avoid mentioning God.
Do you want to debate or have a conversation? If its a debate you can say that you want to debate him and if a conversation you can speak with him, either way there will be people on stream you can discuss there role beforehand
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5 minutes in and my head is exploding already 😅, may Allah strengthen you dear Hamza🤲🏻
The patience this man has is remarkable
Atheists: I don't know, so you're wrong.
hahah spot on
they dont know yet they are arrogant
lol
You're the ones who believe the whole universe was created just for humans. How arrogant.@@Harris19941
Perfectly laid out brother.
The people claim ignorance and then force their ignorance on others.
And then when confronted rationally, they cling to hyper-skepticism.
That is not the position of atheism - to suspend any acknowledgment as to the reality of any particular god until sufficient credible evidence is presented.
“Do you agree 2+2 is 4?”
“I don’t know.”
“If you have 2 apples and add 2 more, would you agree that it totals 4 apples?”
“That’s what it looks like.”
Alhamdulillah for Islam. ❤❤❤
if picking up a slippery eel was a video this would be it.
Keep up the good work brother!
Love brother humza
Hamza has to be one of the most patient people ever cause this level of skepticism is crazy.
Hamza could have asked him "do you exist" and he would have answered "I don't know"
So if the smartest scientists ever live on the planet don't know if the universe started or was infinite, why is it crazy to be skeptical about it?
@@breakbeat9229 it's good to be skeptical, but not to the point of delusion
@@singingsavage3056 Pretty Ironic that you say that.
@@breakbeat9229 haha the ironing is delicious
Ah mate I wanted to see the rest of this debate great work as always hamza
Basically this guy rejects science when it goes along with theistic foundations.
Can you name something that theism has proven?
@@Tony-fq3ppTheism doesn't to prove, it does make factual claims.
@@KodaMoh42 can you name a factual claim that theism makes?
@@Tony-fq3pp First, theism is the belief in the existence of a divine reality, usually referring to monotheism and opposed to polytheism, pantheism, atheism, etc.
This pure monotheism is Islam.
The support of Islam is the Quran, and the Quran explained, in the 7th century, the embryonic stages during pregnancy, which was tested by science and found to be accurate and true.
@@KodaMoh42 do you understand logical fallacies and their usage within conversation?
I don't how many times this guy repeated I don't know 😂😂
Yeah because he's asking questions that cosmologist aren't sure about, how is it unfair for him to say, "I don't know" unrealistic
@@AndresCampos-zx1cjSimply because he said " I don't know " about questions cosmologists actually KNOW the answers for .
@@monotheistmedy no cosmologist says the universe came into existence, they presuppose it, they argue for that possibility, but they don't affirm that it is so.
@@AndresCampos-zx1cj so they don't affirm the universe began to exist ? what made you think so ?
@@monotheistmedy so basically, one idea is that the universe has always existed, in essence, just like how thiest say "god always exists", the universe always exist, but like I said before it's just ideas, no one really knows how the universe ultimately works.
Atheism: most likely of the gaps / time of the gaps / chance of the gaps / randomness of the gaps / complexity of the gaps / I don't know of the gaps 😂
I am not convinced any particular god is a reality, for I have never encountered any credible evidence suggesting such a reality. So, until I do encounter sufficient credible evidence that such a reality exists, I will continue to suspend any acknowledgment concerning the truth of _your_ claim that one does.
THAT represents the entirety of my position of atheism. Instead of fearing this rational position and disparaging those that hold to it, take the time and effort to understand the position.
@@Theo_Skeptomai I'm convinced, Reality itself is evidence. Maybe you should take a look in the Qur'an it doesn't hurt
@@homtanks7259 Reality is _not_ evidence of the reality of any particular god. Reality is the realm of all real phenomena.
@@homtanks7259 How did you determine that I haven't read the Qur'an?
@@Theo_Skeptomai Reading the Quran was just a suggestion
I sat through this just to see what it’s like to be Hamza and wow, I’m impressed at his level of patience. I woulda gave up 5mins in with this guy
This guy bearly wants to listen to others point, he is talking over the other persons answer, constantly interrupting, while both atheist in this video listen, then answer to the questions asked (although they're interrupted Everytime before they can let a thought through)
The first guy will never believe anything like you said if a proposition goes against his wills and desires he will reject it saying nothing can be proven and we “don’t know” so these people are destined to dine in nihilism for eternity the second professor looking dude was about to make a claim that if such a book exists which has descended from god then it would be …. This is a logical fallacy of “moving the goal posts” where you essentially dismiss what is being presented and then go on to make your own claim of what the evidence should or would be should be
Plus when they say the book should be written like X/Y, they are also assuming they know all the reasons why God wrote it how he did, and that their version will achieve the same result that Allah intended. Or when they say Allah should have designed eye like A, or spine like B, sometimes its their engineering knowledge which lacks, or their understanding of Allah's design intentions that lacks
It's actually the Muslim who picked the proposition that aligns with his bias and even took one scientist as Authority which is pretty dumb. The Atheist simply explains that there are other possibilities as other scientists propose but Hamza rejects those on the basis of them going against his worldview. So what you say is simply not true. To maintain his Muslim position, Hamza MUST believe the universe began or else.... So he MUST reject anything else. There you have a clear cut bias which an Atheist doesn't have.
Olbers Paradox, Hubbles Discovery, nor the laws of logic regarding an infinite regress are not a "Muslim" proposistion.
In regards to his conjecture about the universes expansion and then subsequent collapse, what is he basing this on? What is this gigantic force that pulls the universe back in on itself?
The expansion of the universe from a singularity is a well accepted scientific based opinion.
What you are calling for is total conjecture and wooo.
@@redx11x expansion of the universe from a singularity and that’s it enough said that’s all you need, lol 😂
Very sad
@@EBTV_23 i don't understand what you mean
13:42 Wow, I've never actually heard "Syllogism" dropped in a sentence IRL, props!
This was an interesting discussion, however the "Athiest" seems to hold the logical position. I'd say he's really agnostic, it's completely reasonable to accept when we don't know something, he was consistent with that.
Physical evidence is the creation
What _exactly_ was created?
@@Theo_Skeptomai THE UNIVERSE: The universe is everything.
It includes all of space, and all the matter and energy that space contains.
It even includes time itself and, of course, it includes you.
@@qwittaice7672 I understand what the universe contains. How did you determine this universe was _created?_
@@Theo_Skeptomai name 1 other thing that "pops" into existence without a cause.
@@mohidkhan9496 Why?
His definately qualified for confusion
He's just lazy.... every answer is I don't know...
what do you know then?? without you claiming to know, nobody knows, so what's your point??
This is silly. So if you don’t know something you should give an answer anyway or you’re lazy aha?
Then he's not an A'thiest.... the argument is to present your stance logically also the reason for it....what's the reason he doesn't know
@@issameldein7671 yes i agree he’s literally not an atheist by definition
@@issameldein7671presenting a stance does not mean you know something?? if you claim you know there to be a god then yes explain how you know or it's just a claim
MashaAllah, Brother Hamza you have so much patience. This guy had no concrete view on the issues, and you carried the conversation so well. It's really hard to talk to people like this. He probably waffles like this on other issues too, not just about God.
Patience? He wouldn't let the guy finish any of his points.
Brother Hamza doesn't allow people to make false statements, that's why he interrupts. Why listen to nonsense?
That is what it looks like. A pretty convenient way to deny anything afterwards
It's not 'unreasonable' to believe the universe had a cause.
It is however unreasonable to propose an even more complex entity than the universe caused it, that there was nothing before that, and that it cares what meat you eat and who you sleep with without a working top down model of creation, or even a testable hypothesis, all based on a 1400 year old book.
That's unreasonable.
How did you determine the universe had a cause?
How did the universe come into existence?
@@Theo_Skeptomai
"How did you determine the universe had a cause?"
- He didn't state it did, did he ? He said "It's not 'unreasonable' to believe the universe had a cause."
I'd go along with that. It may not have had a cause. It may be eternal.
@@purpleprinc3
"How did the universe come into existence?"
- You're assuming it did.
@@Russ--R
Sure. Im gonna go board the train that says NOTHING caused the universe to spring into existence.
Maybe Wylie Coyote had the big bang somewhere eh ?
life is a test, without catching up, reread carefully.
الله اكبر
WHAT A FRUIT CAKE
The scientist chap at the end was really interesting too.
Qur'an Surah Baqarah (2) Verse 11-16.
And when it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "We are only peacemakers." Verily! They are the ones who make mischief, but they perceive not.
Whenever they are told: “Believe as others believe,” they answer: “Shall we believe as the fools have believed?” Indeed it is they who are the fools, but they are not aware of it.
Allah jests with them, leaving them to wander blindly on in their rebellion.
These are the ones who have purchased error in exchange for guidance. This bargain has brought them no profit and certainly they are not on the Right Way.16
‘i dont know’ is his god
Do you not accept that an individual may not know the answer to a particular question?
@@Theo_Skeptomai but he doesn’t know anything yet he can say with audacity those who know they are wrong,
@istiakefaz I doubt that he doesn't know _anything._
What is it that you know?
"Scientific Method" the Mong.
I think Hamza should start with "do you believe you exist" with every atheists and if the answer is idk just walk away because there's nothing you could say after that can convince them
I haven’t finished the video yet but he’s basically saying we are wrong for believing in Allah and he’s right that he evolved from a flipping fish. I’m speechless bruh what the hell
بارك الله فيكم...
اللهم اغفر لوالدينا و ارحمهما و اجمعنا معهما في الفردوس الأعلى مع الأنبياء و الشهداء و الصالحين و جميع موتى المسلمين..
اللهم احقن دماء المسلمين و انصرهم على من عاداهم..
رب إني مسني الضر و أنت أرحم الراحمين...
لا إله إلا أنت سبحانك إني كنت من الظالمين.....
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Just arguing for the sake of it.
Hamza testing your intelligence,he immediately found out how much you really understand.
Ladies and gentlemen this is a prime example of mental laziness. "I don't know "
Are there things you don't know? Yes or no.
Saying “Allah knows best” alligns with our belief and does not EQUAL “I DONT KNOW”, yes you can say it when you require more knowledge on a topic but we are not the creator, so certain things we do not know brother😂 we believe we have limited capabilities and will not understand things that only the ceator understands. Hence the reason for faith. We believe that the attributes of God cannot be likened to a human and vice versa. Like hamza said in the video our goalposts dont move…the Quran and the sunnah is all we need. But saying “I dont know” means YOU DONT KNOW and hence why you have no stance in an arguement. you are not establishing your said “goalposts” as there is none…..yet you’re quick to attack our goalpost that doesnt move and it is out in public. Alhumdullilah, no book out there has the credibility like the Quran. Unless you have a closed heart….thats something you need to speak to God about, because once again “allah knows best” as to why you havent got that connection with him yet. That is something personal to you and something you need to look for.
@@Swaqster69there is always gonna be something we don't know, its way better than pretending to know something you don't
@@AndresCampos-zx1cj what are you on about? Where did I say I know everything and anything? Such a useless and wasteful comment of nothing.
@@AndresCampos-zx1cj where am i Pretending….there is a book called the Quran and a messenger who revealed it. That quran has not been changed since the time of the Prophet SAW and never will be. It was spoken and groups of people came to listen and learn. This is where my research of 25 years come in handy….how many years have you questioned your existence?
MashaaAllah Hamza kept his cool!
We can't do "science" without consciousness
And....?
Atheist religion: "I don't know."
What exactly is it that I, an atheist, don't know?
That's very Humble
Atheism is not a religion.
I am not convinced any particular god is a reality, for I have never encountered any credible evidence suggesting such a reality. So,until I do encounter sufficient credible evidence that such a reality exists, I will continue to suspend any acknowledgment concerning the truth of _your_ claim that one does.
THAT represents the entirety of my position of atheism. Instead of fearing this rational position and disparaging those that hold to it, take the time and effort to understand the position.
@Theo_Skeptomai it is a religion. You take your own whims and desires as God. You think you're clever by not taking a positive position on anything. The majority of atheists subscribe to naturalism only accepting what can be observed and tested in the natural world providing empirical evidence.the problem is that this doesn't account for the metaphysical world. The philosophy of science suggests that you have to make assumptions before even testing anything. This equates to belief in something before empirical evidence. You can't science without accepting this position. Testimony is a large part of this position and an acceptable form of evidence. Which atheist tend to deny. Rationality, logic, and deductive reasoning escape atheist because you hang your hats on empirical evidence or "I don't know" which you think means other people don't know. You're hyper skeptical about things you normally shouldn't be skeptical about. I often find that atheists want to do what they want when they want and reject God because believing in God takes submission and discipline.
But you may die tomorrow and your probation period will end 😞
I don’t know how that man makes it through life. “I don’t know” for anything he’s asked. I wonder if he knows that he doesn’t know…
"I don’t know how that man makes it through life. “I don’t know” for anything he’s asked."
He should have really said "no one knows".
Theism is just a subjective belief.
He's hyperskeptic. But in his own real life he cannot function without believing in many things in life. It's just their ego holding back.
People have always believed so burden is on you to prove otherwise
Only parties that have asserted a claim to truth incur a burden of evidence demonstrating the truth of their claim. Do you agree?
@@Theo_SkeptomaiIf an atheist says "God doesn't exist", then he also has to provide proof.
@@LordLentils That wasn't what I asked. Can you answer the actual question I asked?
@@Theo_Skeptomai And I answered? If an atheist says that God doesn't exist, he's also making a claim and has to provide proof that he doesn't. If a theist says he does, then he has to provide proof as well.
@@LordLentils Do you agree only parties that have asserted a claim to truth incur a burden of evidence demonstrating the truth of their claim? Yes or no.
My video is paused at the 9 seconds mark. I am going to like the video and move on to the next one 😂
1:27 You actually can brother, telling the future is only a quality of the Lord who knows Everything. No one has ever done this, and we have solid proof of this as Muslims.
One person certainly didn’t have a clue in that video but I can assure you it wasn’t the atheist fella!
He doesn't know if he's coming or going 😂😂😂
Hamza describes earth as a closed system whilst believing in cartoon earth from space
funny hamza gets bodied by sam lmao
The cosmologists don't know if the universe always existed. We can't investigate beyond Planck time. At best we can say this universe in it's current form had a beginning of sorts.
I got a headache trying to understand this guys views. He’s confused himself to the point of no return. Brother Hamza has patience of an angel 😂
Just because you don't know doesn't mean "gods did it."
This bloke is caught in a blind conundrum. One day he is gonna have an excellent reason for him to believe in God, and its usually a loved one who needs healing or something along those lines.
But when the reason for him to believe ends in failure, the failure will callous his heart to an extraordinary degree and he will become a militant atheist. And his one reason to believe but because it ends in failure will be the foundation for his entire belief to trust staunchly in his atheism.
Do you have a gud ??? You think ala is a gud ? Hmm LOST
Ramadan is over when are we getting the debate with Sam shamoun
Bro this guy is a absolute muppet who just says I don’t know
When our "energy source" becomes lesser and lesser so we could surely know "its" "begin" at certain points...peace be upon you'll out there and assalamualaiqum wmt
How did you get from entropy to a god that allows slavery, wife beating and sex with a 9 year old ?
the best explanation for this guys point of view is: I havent read about anything regarding science OR religion; I just dont know; But according to what I know I find that you're opinion and point of view of claiming something is wrong. XD Bro!!! STUDY, then have a CONVO. you cants say: I find what you believe absurd and you cannot be certain (just) because I'M UNCERTAIN and I DONT KNOW.
This is what it's like talking to a 6 year old
If science is not proof for him even though he's atheist maybe philosophy could help, because he's absolutely clueless
How does science prove that any particular god is a reality?
@@Theo_Skeptomai science doesn't prove nor disapprove the existence of God, however if you have a decent knowledge of science it can help you get some answers like the one in this video for example of the guy was well versed he would've understood that the universe did start somewhere, and in addition there are scientific miracles in the Quran that simply couldn't have been known back then and only later they were discovered and in fact they were laughed at at first, so i think science while it doesn't prove such this, it can help.
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This is a lie. Cosmologists don''t say that the universe hasn't always existed.
You clearly haven't listed to Sean Carroll or Alan Guth on this matter. Both say that they don 't know if the universe is eternal, that nobodies knows but it very likely is.
Cosmologists say that the universe _as we know it_ is not eternal, so you've misrepresented their position.
Being an atheist is like standing on a shaky ground with Tiesto music playing on loops
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@@Theo_Skeptomai I bet you're an atheist?!
@skiphariest I am an atheist. I define atheism as suspending any acknowledgment as to the reality of any particular god until sufficient credible evidence is introduced. My position is that *_I have no good reason to acknowledge the reality of any god._*
And here is why I currently hold to such a position. Below are 10 facts I must consider when evaluating the claim made by certain theists that some god exists in reality. To be clear, these are not premises for any argument concluding there to be no gods. These are simply facts I must take into account when evaluating such a claim.
1. I personally have never observed a god.
2. I have never encountered any person who has claimed to have observed a god.
3. I know of no accounts of persons claiming to have observed a god that were willing or able to demonstrate or verify their observation for authenticity, accuracy, or validity.
4. I have never been presented a valid logical argument that also employed sound premises that lead deductively to a conclusion that a god(s) exists in reality.
5. Of the many logical syllogisms I have encountered arguing for the reality of a god(s), I have found all to contain either logical fallacies or false or unsubstantiated premises.
6. I have never observed a phenomenon in which the existence of a god was a necessary antecedent for the known or probable explanation for the causation of that phenomenon.
7. Several proposed (and generally accepted) explanations for observable phenomena that were previously based on the agency of a god(s), have subsequently been replaced with rational, natural explanations, each substantiated with evidence that excluded the agency of a god(s). I have never encountered _vice versa._
8. I have never experienced the presence of a god through intercession of angels, divine revelation, the miraculous act of divinity, or any occurrence of a supernatural event.
9. Every phenomenon that I have ever observed has *_emerged_* from necessary and sufficient antecedents over time without exception. In other words, I have never observed a phenomenon (entity, process, object, event, process, substance, system, or being) that was created _ex nihilo_ - that is instantaneously came into existence by the solitary volition of a deity.
10. All claims of a supernatural or divine nature that I have encountered have either been refuted to my satisfaction or do not present as falsifiable.
ALL of these facts lead me to the only rational conclusion that concurs with the realities I have been presented - and that is the fact that there is *_no good reason_* for me to acknowledge the reality of any god.
I have heard often that atheism is the denial of the Abrahamic god. But denial is the active rejection of a substantiated fact once credible evidence has been presented. Atheism is simply withholding such acknowledgment until sufficient credible evidence is introduced. *_It is natural, rational, and prudent to be skeptical of unsubstantiated claims, especially extraordinary ones._*
I welcome any cordial response. Peace.
@@Theo_Skeptomai 1. If you don't know, it doesn't mean that it's not exist
2. You, yourself is an example of any powerful being that creates orders
3. I've seen a lot of atheist and each one of them defines atheism differently
4. Most atheist answers "I don't know" while others gave evidences but they keep rejecting it, how come a "not knowing" person comes to reject any evidences? And when people ask "what kind of evidences you want?", and they reply "I don't know" 🤣
@@skiphariest1. Did I state that any particular god doesn't exist in reality? Yes or no.
Ask him if he believes HE exists. If he says anything besides YES! there's no point in continuing the conversation
atheist might as well say "moo"
tolong syeh hamzah, berikan subtitel indonesia untuk kami, aku sangat menikmati argumen anda...Barakallah
Yet, a believer is asking all the questions.
Wheres this debate with Sam shamouun?
This guys cooked far out mate
With this guy anything is a possibility 😂
There is no atheist on sinking ship as mentioned in the Quran - ( " When they board a ship, they supplicate Allah, sincere to Him in religion. But when He delivers them to the land, at once they associate others with Him " 29:65 )
Atheist: I have never heard a good reason for...
What's the criteria of the good reason?
Atheist: I don't know.
Their excuses are never very good, but this is just a completely transparent lol. The real issue is that they refuse to submit. It's not something they're willing to do.
A good reason to believe any particular god is a reality would be _credible evidence._ Do you agree?
@@Theo_Skeptomai That's not helpful, you haven't defined what that is. Be specific. What do you want to see that would make you admit it and submit?
@@Theo_Skeptomaino, a critical thinker would know that there is a God by himself, no need to read or see anything. Thats why children are all born theists and take different directions when they grow older.
I will begin by defining what I consider to be 'evidence' and build from there.
I consider 'evidence' to be ANY presentation that substantiates the truth of a claim.
I consider 'credible evidence' to be that which is verifiable for validity, accuracy, and authenticity.
I consider 'sufficient credible evidence' to be that which can convince me as to the truth of a claim.
His response to everything is maybe I dunno. That’s a lot worse than just making a choice, even a wrong choice
If we don't no something what is wrong with saying "I don't know"😅
'I haven't got the criteria'
what else is left to ask
اذا كنت لاتعلم ف اخرس، واستمع للأدلة، سواءً هي اعجبتك أم لا. المنطق والعقل، الوعي، الحياة وما فيها الخ.
Zubat used confuse ray….
I started to believe that Atheist become confused and know nothing when faced with any logic
Imagine if scientists were like Creationists and, instead of simply presenting their evidence that shows they are right, they asked us to figure out what would show they are right. It is not my duty to figure out what evidence would show God exists. I am not the one making the claim. If God is omniscient, he knows what would convince me he exists, and if God is omnipotent, he can provide it. It is not my fault that he never produces evidence that convinces me.
Theism🟰one big logical fallacy. Theists hate the “answer I don’t know”. The theist is wrong on so many levels. Hilarious.
Avery embarrassed you 😂.
No he didn't, far from, he just showed that he is far from understanding anything from the Qur'an
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🤣😅😅😂🤣 Good JOKE 🤣😹
This guys a hyper skeptic. He doesn’t know
It's really not "hypersceptical" to admit you don't know the answer to questions that have yet to be determined by professional cosmologists working in the field.
Hamza why don't you debate people who actually study these things, are you a coward, as well as a liar?
جزاكم الله خيرا
We should ask him why he exist
Hamza debate Sam already
This atheist is the most misguided and the most confused human being in UK :p
What _exactly_ am I, an atheist, misguided or confused about? Be specific.
@@Theo_Skeptomai are you that atheist on the video? He is the most misguided person because he lacks any sort of guidance whether divine guidance or philosophical or scientific one. He is hyperskeptical about everything, even about what's agreed upon by leading scientists on the field. He is the most confused person because he doesn't even understand his own stance; he is asking for evidence for the existence of God but he doesn't have the criteria of what a convincing evidence for it so no one can give him the evidence which would make him convince that God does exist.
Aaah where's the rest 😫
I don't know but I am smart enough to debate about the topic 😂...
I love how much theists oppose the notion of saying, "I don't know."
It really reveals how much their position is predicated on accepting unsubstantiated claims as if they are truth.
This guy didnt know who Stephen Hawkins was, did he?
is there a part 2 ?
Does hamza even know what experiments he is talking about? Science doesn't even have a consensus about the origin of the universe.
BASHHA BASHHI GIVE IT TO LIL BIBI HA? MAAAAN YOUR GONNA BE 💰 IN FULLLLLLLL NONSEYZ NATION
No it's more like I don't know but that doesn't prove you right.
Why not instead of hiding from Sam just debate him like you said you would .
if everything he does not know and everything can be right or wrong and he has not one stable idea, so how can any one convince him of anything?...he just rejected steven and d=Dokens ideas as well
Wouldn't actual evidence demonstrating this 'God' to be a reality convince him? I know it would convince me.
This younger atheist seems such a waste of time to discuss anything with.
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Guy with beard talks too fast and sounds quite aggressive - please tune it down a notch and be a little more friendly - Thanks
If this guy thinks he’s more intelligent than renowned atheists like Richard dawkins who accept a lot of the premises for the existence of God, he’s obviously very delirious. It is not intellect that stops us from accepting that there is a being greater than us but arrogance and this man is full of it, very sad indeed.
We’re all going inside a 6 by 6 tomb at the end of our very short-lived lives here so whether you want to accept the existence of God now rather than then, take every chance you’ve got is my humble advice
why are muslims who pray at home are exempt from paying council tax in the uk/much needed cash for public services
😂 really? Wish I knew that, we were paying £200 a month, are you serious? That is an outright lie.
Why people want physical evidence.
They don't see this complex creation Of Every where
What _exactly_ has been created?
@@Theo_Skeptomai This brain is for thinking, think with your brain
@@Pope1111rhWas there ANYTHING preventing you from answering my straightforward question?
@@Theo_Skeptomai no, read quran
"I don't know" is always a more honest answer than "It was an all powerful wizard"
where do they run away from the debate? hahaha
Hamza, denying his entire position is nothing more than 'God of the Gaps', but he's knows he's got nothing to actually base any of it on, so tries to avoid mentioning God.
You can go debate him on speaker’s corner or on his stream and discuss this with him, I think we will know who is being unreasonable 🙂
@@RajaaliTTIs "Speaker's Corner" a website?
No its a place in London where he is standing in the video.
If you want to speak with him online you can join the live stream he does during weekdays
@@RajaaliTT Is this one on one, or does everyone present chat?
Do you want to debate or have a conversation?
If its a debate you can say that you want to debate him and if a conversation you can speak with him, either way there will be people on stream you can discuss there role beforehand