Another great review, Mike. And you aren’t reading from a script, you are just sitting there riffing. And never stumbling over words or getting tongue-tied. Your intelligence and watch knowledge is truly impressive. Keep doing these reviews!
Thanks! To be fair - I do write a script but I don't read off of it on camera. I do practice it some times before sitting down in front of the camera and then allow myself to go a little off script wherever I think it works 😊😊😊
This reminds me of the Swiss watch brands figuring out they are popular in China, then making special Chinese editions in red and with dragons etc. while the Chinese loved and bought the Swiss watches for their Swissness, in design and appearance..
Nothing is never new in the watch industry. The Swiss have been tailoring watches to the Orient market for over 150 years and Patek to the South American market (“Gondolo”) for at least 90 years.
I loved that video so much, it was like watching a master chef at work. The way they handled every element was so effortless and perfect, it was like they were dancing with the ingredients. And the final product was an absolute masterpiece, a symphony of flavors that left my taste buds singing. I'm so glad I watched that video, it was an experience I won't soon forget.
Your take on things is outstanding!! I agree with what you are saying 1000%. You truly have a gift when describing things to a dumbass like myself. You have a true gift in the way you illustrate things.
Thanks. I test all my ideas on my wife. If she thinks I'm boring, babbling on, overly detailed and way down a rabbit hole - The video tends to do well 😂😂😂
I think it's good that Patek are putting out designs that look more casual and sporty for their dress watch line ups. It's to lure people away from Nautilus and Aquanauts. If there are people who don't like it, that means it's different, which is good. These watches would look great with a T-shirt and jeans. But a classic calatrava would look weird in the same outfit.
@@rosomak8244 The material is gold, the movement is still where no Rolex has ever come close to. The idea to charge any less than another white gold calatrava because it "looks plain" is stupid.
@@DonLee1980 You're making a good point: the only way to wear this watch is with the caseback facing out, as the movement is the only interesting part. The dial is a mish mash of various inspirations that's extraordinarily bland. I'm sure people will buy it simply because it's Patek, but there are far more interesting watches to be had with this kind of money.
@@johnnyguitar6697 lol, so you are the absolute standard of taste there is in this world right? there are plenty of people who like this design. Just because YOU don't like it, doesn't mean others don't. Many would argue that the traditional Calatrava looks grandpa-esque.
Excellent delivery. Lots to learn from your calmness and demeanor. I'm a university lecturer and I'm looking for ways to improve my teaching and your channel does just that. Plus I learn more about watches as a bonus
That's high praise. Lecturing is no easy task. Thank you. I facilitate a lot back in the real world. The biggest challenge on youtube is remembering to look into the camera 😂😂😂
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch I mean it wholeheartedly. Indeed, it's evident you do it professionally as well. But that's not to remove anything on the impressive delivery of your presentation. I'm excited to watch all your previous and the incoming ones. Best of luck
Interesting discussion. It’s indeed a delicate balance that Patek is trying to strike between being fresh and being traditional. I remember reading in a book or article somewhere that in the old days, think 60s-90s, the word trendy is a forbidden word in Mercedes Benz design. They aimed to create designs that are above contemporary trends of the time and one could argue that’s the reason why old Mercs stay looking good for a long time.
Excellent point - There’s a fine line between making something relevant and making something trendy. AP is all on the later. Patek, less so. Thanks for sharing 😀😀
It doesn’t actually have the Geneva Seal. Patek abandoned it a long time ago and instead created their own seal. And I totally agree about the movement. But the stamped dial at this price is inexcusable.
A Swatch Patek 😂. Spot on analysis. My idea of Patek is the basic no date Calatrava with impeccable finishing. Not a watch that drifts towards cheap Swatch or loud Hublot.
Another great vid. Patek is a great family company. I like the classic dress models and the care they put into their designs and movements. However, in recent years, I feel they are chasing the next generation customer as all companies are across the board. Thus, we end up with models like this. I like the engine analogy. Thank you, Chris
Strangely enough the 600X watches are my favorites and I nearly bought the 6006G with the small seconds and pointer date, because it was different and funky but a Patek. I love it when brands are having a bit of fun, of course it’s a bit relative with PP but hey….
Fair point - Counterpoint to my position is of course that stuffy and old is not a long term solution. Me personally - 6119G is on my list. 2024 is the year I put my money down 😃
Absolutely on point! Also, PP is even taking a bit joy out of the journey .. it's as if they made a shortcut for the young watch enthusiast who is still not able to afford (or still feels too young) one but knows he'll eventually end up with one (or not but then this watch doesn't help either)
I think you are absolutely right. Now…Patek was a real game changer many many years ago. The first calatrava was a revolutionary watch. I think they can make something entirely new, create a new trend, but this color watches that look like a micro brand kickstarter are not innovation or really new revolutionary stuff. Maybe the nautilus was, in a way, also the aquanaut. Imagine if patek had created the Moser streamliner, that could be a good example of revolutionary and trendy Patek.
I think Patek customers are correct in expecting a hand decorated dial, and this stamped effort is clearly a cost saving process that degrades the brand. My main objection is the choice of case material. This would be so much better in a stainless steel case that better captures the sportiness and everyday usability of the watch. They could also significantly reduce the price in S/S that would attract more younger buyers.
Seriously. Case is gold but that strap looks so cheap and then pin buckle and not even a real clasp like Rolex offers on their oysterflex. Yikes. If watch had a white gold clasp as well in addition to the white gold case and a nicer looking strap … then *maybe* mid $30s would be acceptable
@@tangoESPECIALMid thirties is ridiculous. It is just a watch. It is that price because people are willing to pay it. I spent a lot of money on watches and realized one day, they didn’t make me happy anymore. It is just a thing that keeps time.
One of the fantastic aspects of Patek is the range - I really enjoy your thoughtful reviews and I understand many dislike this watch and I very much enjoy mine - I own Patek steel travel time aquanaut, a discontinued regulator 5235 from the advanced research group, a blue dial diamond dial marker dress annual calendar and the 6007G - i wear the 6007G all the time and love the dial design and contrasting color and sweep second- it’s my favorite watch to wear to F1 races and get togethers - i do wish it were in stainless and i missed out getting the stainless version of this reference - to me it fits perfectly in a broad Patek collection with perhaps selection of the metal
The jewel encrusted nutless released at the Dubai Watch show shows Patek is pivoting to a new clientele (ballers, rappers and other nouveau rich types). Patek is turning into a richer nouveau rich than the Rolex client.
Exactly. And maybe this is the sad attempt to chg that. But… any HNWI who like racing is probably going to go buy a grey market Daytona instead of this overpriced, homely watch.
Happy everyone is hating on it - I'm going to grab one ASAP. Love this piece as an everyday watch. Hope prices stay where they are today on secondary, would pull the trigger immediately.
Great job as always. I’m much more cynical - this is the entry Patek to start the relationship building to one day MAYBE be deemed worthy of getting one of the real Pateks. IWC: we’re going to come out with a watch (Ingenieur) and price it ridiculously. PP: hold our champagne…
Spot on, I actually had it on my wrist and it felt more like a Tag style than a Patek. Lovely watch nonetheless but so different from the rest of the range.
Your video is incredibly insightful and thoughtful, with a but…. The but is people’s personal design language often changes over time as they progress in their watch collection journey. Yes this watch is not the typical Patek that most collectors have come to know and love. And yes, Patek is expanding their already broad lineup to go after a younger audience. Or is it a younger audience? And this is the but… Having been a collector of Patek for about two decades, and with those years spent collecting more classic Patek watches, I have realized something. My tastes in watches has evolved. I still very much love my more classic Patek’s. Yet I desire more bold designs now. I enjoy watches with more color. I appreciate risk taking in watch design. This evolving design language has lead me to other brands. Brands I otherwise would not of considered because Patek did not historically create bold and progressive designs. Yet I love my Patek’s and want Patek to take risks! Prior to watching this video, I would have struggled to contemplate a 6007G, or even one of the very loud precious gemstone Nautilus or Aquanauts. But having had this discusión with numerous collectors recently, having added more modern design pieces from other brands to my collection, and then watching this video just now, I have realized I need to give Patek the benefit for the doubt. I need to follow my design language and trust Patek with some of their modern pieces. So as I type this, I am concluding I am adding one to my collection!
0:00 Let's talk about Sekts bay-bee, let's talk about you and me, let's talk about all the good things and the bad things that may be.....That song was a banger back in the day.
I often wondered when the law of diminishing returns kick in when considering fit, finish, and accuracy. Not sure anyone needs to spend anything more than Rolex at retail unless you appreciate the hand finished movements. Other than that, Rolex 10k-15k gives you everything you need especially with accuracy. My Rolexes are the most accurate movements I have ever seen in mechanical watches. I set my Rolex Explorer 40mm to a reference time 6 months ago and the watch is +7 seconds. I hate sounding like a Rolex fan boy but they produce almost the perfect watch for their retail price.
For me - It's around 6-8k. Consider this vid where I talk about diminishing returns th-cam.com/video/9SmSxOLwh6w/w-d-xo.htmlsi=TRY8SDRMh03e5B7u Rolex comes pretty darned close to the perfect mass produced watch. 😃😃
Excellent video as always! Agree with all your points 👍🏻 have you seen the 6006G?? (discontinued).. 39mm, white gold, micro-rotor movement, black dial without the controversial printed pattern . Elegant with just a touch of sportiness. That’s the perfect middle ground and the best of the 6000-6007 line IMO (goes for below retail somehow)
It’s now April 2024 and, at least in the U.S., these watches, brand new, are selling under MSRP. It’s comforting to see some shred of rationality in the watch market.
Thanks as always. FP - Have some ideas for a vid, but want to get hands on one or two more of their watches before I can dive in completely and more broadly. They have some stunners for sure 😃😃😃
This resonated a lot with me, thank you. I am not buying a PP in the very near future, but it is quite likely that I will be there in a few years from now. The idea of my "having made it" watch is a classy, masterfully made but discrete and timeless one. PP with their history and their stance as pinnacle of watchmaking to me would be the ultimate brand, but looking at their catalogue I cannot point to a model variant and declare it my grail. There simple Calatravas (which to me make the brand along with their complicated chronographs) have grown to 40mm (which is too large for me a dress watch). In smaller sizes they are blingy, diamonds everywhere and else designwise utterly feminine. I do not know if I would want to go vintage for a 2526/5196/5227, probably not, I will probably look elsewhere...
I like your take and it’s an interesting video. I personally quite like the watch, I like the red one because the colours kinda match my logo which means something to me. Maybe one day! The one thing I don’t get it is why anyone is looking at brands like Patek and VC etc are judging their watches on things like power reserve compared to Omega? It’s the equivalent of writing off a Rolls Royce because it’s MPG compared poorly to Audi. Power reserve is irrelevant to a watch collector, someone spending this money on a watch like this doesn’t have one watch that they take off on Friday and want to put back on Monday, if they did they’d buy a water proof one I’d guess and not a delicate Patek dressed down dress watch? I think it’s intentionally younger and divisive as a result. I don’t think it’s particularly trendy at all. It’s just a sportier looking dress watch, the overall design is timeless enough. It looks like watches of old but with a splash of colour and a bit of pattern. They got the same accusations when the introduced a Pilots watch with no history of making Pilots watches. It didn’t suit their existing audience so much, but it did suit plenty of people and it’s a beautiful watch. Staying in their lane making old man watches would not seem a good long term play for Patek either. A few watches that appeal to different eyes to get new customers in or to offer something “out there” to existing collectors is not a bad watch idea to me. A watch that appeals to some eyes and not others similarly seems better than a plain dull reinvention of the same Calatrava my Great Grandad could have worn. It’s also not a bad idea for Patek owners to have something a little different. If you were lucky enough to have a Nautilus, Aquanaut, Calatrava and maybe a manual chrono or Annual Calendar. Maybe this watch appeals to that collector something different in their collection. There are people out there with 4plus Patek’s and to have something novel in Patek’s catalogue and a completely different look for those people is no bad thing either. Let’s face it, for some people (not me) the Calatrava is the watch you buy first to allow you to buy the ones you really want later from the AD. A slightly sportier calatrava maybe offers a more palatable gateway to an Aquanaut etc down the line than a watch you might only way for special occasions and not every day.
great video, makes very good point. to me, one needs to choose among color variations for a high end product is naturally against its value proposition
Iam not a Patek buyer but Ive tried this model and the hobnail calatrava in a wonderfully accomodating Patek boutique in Thailand. Obviously none were for sale but I was able to try many watches. My taste would be for the 6119 but if I was to buy one that day I would choose the sporty unPatek Patek 6007. I could wear it more often and its casual look and racing design cues speaks more to a casual lifestyle vs the much prettier but always dressy 6119. So maybe they are appealing to non Patek buyers. The grey market prices show that its working.
I can’t say I agree with this very well thought out review. The reality of buying Pateks at the AD is that they basically force you to buy a Calatrava before they will sell you anything else. The problem that I have is, I do not like almost any of the watches in the Calatrava collection. I find them to be extremely plain and boring. But I like a bunch of the PP Complication and Grand Complication watches, as well as some of the Nautilus and Aquanaut collection. This particular watch at least represents a Calatrava that I would buy and is more appealing to me than the more staid, conservative other watches in the Calatrava collection. I’m actually quite into car racing and I enjoy the look of this watch. That being said, at this price point given and given this is a Holy Trinity brand, PP should never have stamped the dial and that’s really a cost cutting way to cheap out. But other than that, I don’t think this was a mistake for them to produce this watch. This watch is the way for them to get people to buy the Calatrava, who otherwise wouldn’t.
You have a fair perspective. I have to admit that I've moved position ever so slightly as to what Patek is doing. The more they release, the more it becomes clear that the calatrava line is being modernised and turned into a much more youthful, non-dressy watch aiming for a younger audience... For the studio underdog and nomos crowd but in a higher income bracket 😊
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch correct. If they want to attract the next generation of collectors and they’re making the Calatrava the gateway watch to get anything else, they need to have a few that would appeal to people who don’t like super conservative watches. The 6007G is that watch. The 5226G is in the spirit as well. Still, at that price point and being a Patek, the dial of the 6007G should not be stamped. For example, I’m not that much into most of the Vacheron Constantin watches but I do love the look of the Overseas collection and I have a stainless steel blue dial Overseas chronograph and my wife has an ice blue dial Overseas as well. Most of the other collections do nothing for me.
I discovered your channel today, very informative and interesting! Big congratulation! I'm waiting for Tudor BB54, I saw your video about it. Hi! From Switzerland Zoltan
Saw them in Watches and Wonders, and I find them stunning. I personally like the red one. To me, it is entering something with a slightly new design language, while still being classy in its own way. Patek defines who they are, not collectors. ALS collectors also rejected the Zeitwerk in 2009, this is not ALS! Yes, it was. You just need to be open-minded to new things.
When a watch costs as much as a car, I choose the car. But I will dream of the watch for a couple of weeks. Eventhough I have plenty of money in the bank, to retire, no debt, own multiple homes, I just would rather spend my money on other things and vacation trips. But most of all, I don't draw more pleasure by spending a lot of money on watches. A little goes a long way, but more doesn't give me more pleasure. Maybe I'm just cheap. I think I'm being wise.
The car more often depreciates. A watch can be a store of value (not an investment). If you have your real investments in tax free (or tax incentivised) wrappers like an ISA and a SIPP in the uk then spending on a watch with some that’s left over can be more appealing than buying a car that depreciates or costs a lot more to maintain if it’s a classic car. Of course it’s horses for courses. I would hope nobody buying Patek’s is choosing them over living life! I’m sure some are
This watch is well executed and balanced. That the dial may be stamped is not a deal breaker. I’m sure Patek uses a stamp machine with special qualities and advanced technology rather than ordinary stamps used by other companies.
Well said. If Patek wanted to get into something a little trendy, they should have created or bought a different brand or name to put on it. What everyone expects from Patek is very expensive but classy watches. Rolls shouldn't get into the Lexus market. It just lowers them to a lower level.
I like the yellow one and I'm old enough to be your dad. I think a watch at that price should hand finish their dials but I'm not their customer, either. If I were to buy a Patek for $37K, it would be a dress watch.
The dial and the texture strap make the watch look spoty but in a playful way... This is a luxury watch to complement someone's athlesure outfit 😅. The white Date window may look like a dissonance in the dial, but it sort of gives certain symmetry in the dial... But this definitely looks like a Patek equivalent of "Hello fellow kids..."
I never thought Patek would be offering their own versions of a Seiko 5, yet here we are. However, I'm not young with more money than taste, so I'm not the target audience (just kidding for those that like the watch, but it's not my style). I think they're looking at brands like AP for inspiration to hook new and younger customers. Maybe we'll soon see grand complications with enameled Batman and Superman. The "sporty" and more eye-catching Calatravas might also explain Patek's new crop of very iced-out Instagram watches. Nevertheless, if people are buying it, who am I to judge. That's capitalism. I'd just be happy if they shrank down some of their classic offerings to the more reasonable sizes of past years. Both types of styles can exist in Patek's catalog at once. Lastly, I additionally recall in an W&W 2023 interview Theirry Stern mentioning how he was slowly bringing his two sons into the business to eventually pass it on. The new Pateks might their influence.
Thanks, great video. Its funny, never looked at Patek, but, the more I look at watches, the more interest I get in watches, the more I look at Patek. But for now I settle with GS and Tudor, they are attainable. But who knows what the future hold. In the last few days I have fallen completely in love with a Tissot, the Heritage 1938 salmon dial, nothing fancy or expensive or exclusive, but attainable now. What do you think of that Tissot model, or What do you think of Tissot in general?
Good stuff.Only error is they no longer have the Geneva Seal and it says PP in the shield on the movement.Another sneaky move by them.Hate their advertising;the bloody kids can buy their own Apple Watches.
I think you’re right in thinking that Patek is chasing after a desire to be young and relevant to the younger demographic. I don’t know how else to explain the newest releases last week… the new aquanaut 5260. Those are just ghastly!
They have definitely made a shift. Beefing up cases, adding colour. It's aimed at a new audience for sure 😊😊 As for rainbow gem watches - I find very very few attractive .
Interesting and insightful commentary; however what's missing is the fact that the high end luxury market is getting younger with each year. That you want to purchase a classical PP perfectly fits your age and watch knowledge. However, the facts of the Swiss industry show us that new buyers today are about 15-20 years younger than the typical PP buyer was back in 2002....
Gotcha, sure, but Ed is by no means an average collector. He's the exception that proves the rule of what we see new young buyers purchasing 🤓@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
Think of Porsche when they first came out SUVs. How very un-Porsche, yes? But today, the Cayenne is doing extremely well. The mindset of the customer changed. The customer changed. They grew older and had kids. Porsche did not want to allow the customer $ to go to another brand. They did not want the customer to have a 911 and Volvo type SUV. They want the customer to have BOTH the 911 and a Cayenne. I believe Patek is doing the same thing here. And they are dipping their horological toes into the cool-pool. For both the first-time patek buyers as well as the existing patek customers, they are offering an alternative to yet “another conservative piece”. I believe they have their sights on existing AP customers that have become bored with royal oaks. Best wishes from Singapore Marc☀️
I’ve been contemplating whether a watch like this year’s golden armor divine dragon - year of the dragon g-shock is a step too far with gaudy design, though g shocks aren’t known for luxurious designs, they have a restrained utilitarian look. Would you buy that model? Your opinion might help inform my future decisions with watches like that from Casio
Can't make that decision for you. The chinese "year of the..." watches that get released every year obviously aren't marketed towards someone like me. Some are cool but I often find very ornate and detailed cases and designs to be a bit much. I sometimes worry that I'll tire of them when the novelty wears off. So I inevitably end up buying more safe designs that have more longevity. You do you.... 😃😃
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch as an update I did buy this latest “golden armor” dragon watch, took your advice you’ve given before, to choose and wear what makes you feel happy over any other considerations. Thanks for your thoughtful response, huge fan of your videos and I even wish you’d put them out more frequently! Extremely educational
This watch epitomises the fact that Patek is living on old glory and reputation and their new watches are really a few levels bellow the concurrent brands. Compare this to a random watch from A Lange or Vacheron or Glashutte Original
Pagani Design just released their version 😊😊😊 I will probably buy it. Still around 130 euro, I will wait until it comes dowb below 70...😂😂😂 Yes, I am THAT cheap.
Well done. I can see the appeal, but I can't imagine this being a classic Patek owner's first or only Patek. In terms of the non-classic owner, they already have the Aquanaut etc. so this would only be a half measure in terms of trying to be cool or trendy.
You are dead right. I think it's a beautiful watch but will not appeal to a Patek wearer. Obsessive Patek collectors are another species - they won't be able to restrain themselves as one day this will be a very special Patek. it's as though their designers created something for another brand. Your analysis is superb.
I like the watch myself - would not buy it though - I would prefer nearly double up the spend and get that steel salmon dial world timer But great video everything you said does indeed make sense
Bravo! I love the concept but will stay with my Calatrava 5196G...... I am a 68 year old 2015 Porsche 911 Targa 4S owning Dad but might buy a 6007 stainless model for $20K!
It’s an entry level offering. Yes PP no crap should leave or be made in your facilities. $38k is a boatload of money, however in PP terms it’s nearly the tax equivalent of their others. Above all, it’s faddy looking not a timeless instant classic like a lot of other models. T)
I quite like the aesthetic, but it’s not $37k+ nice. And PP couldn’t even be bothered to colour-match the date wheel! Stamped dial and all, it probably actually costs $699 to make (efficiently), even taking the gold content into account. As a holy trinity brand, arguably the ‘best’ watch brand, you must retain class, a timelessness (if you forgive the pun), a sophistication, that transcends fashion and era; the watch equivalent of the E-type, the Routemaster, the K6, the Kenwood Chef, Concorde, etc., design across generations if you like, whilst modernising and continually improving the production, the parts, the tech underlying the design. I get a feeling of uncertainty from PP, as I do from AP for that matter. I’m guessing PP buyers don’t like that.
@@borassictime918 I don't think the date wheel should match the dial color when the date window is replacing an index. In this case it should match the color of the hour marker, just as what Petek did.
@@UVB76theBoozer It is subjective I suppose, but for me it looks cheap’d out, unthought through, if a deliberate design choice certainly could have been better realised.
Yep. Cheaped out.,Especially with that stamped dial. Seems like Patek is testing the waters to see just what they can get away with. Cutting corners Thierry? Rushing production?
I own the yellow version of this. My first patek. This video was great. Its a gangster watch, looks and feels great. Gets 0 attention. I bet they discontinue it because dudes that cant get it up any more dont like it 😂
Well I was recently advised I would never be a patek buyer and therefore my opinions mean nothing. So saying I really like the design, and that someone stepped up and added some yellow, really sets this watch a part from the brand. Which I guess explains why I like it. Really doesn’t matter since Patek doesn’t want me as a customer no matter my buying power.
You can tell this is a Patek from the back... not from the front... If the Patek branding was not there I am not sure what brand I would expect to be on the dial. Money aside the dial reminds me of a factory with yellow safety paint. The pattern reminds me of aluminum plating on my bakkie's step. Why would you put such a gorgeous movement in such a weird watch? I would rather have the Tissot Sideral but neither of these appeal to me.
I am happy with my cellphone which has all the functions that i need. I did have a seiko quartz once which was very accurate. I guess I will never be cool.
I actually don't agree with you! The watch looks amazing and almost everyone agrees on that (you included) still people feel the urge to talk bad about it! Just because (for now) it doesn't feel like a classic Patek! But the thing is, every classic was born at some time and not a single classic was branded as that at the beginning! Nautilus was also considered an extremely bad decision from Patek when it was introduced! So its honestly more about human nature than how good or bad this watch is! =)
Another great review, Mike. And you aren’t reading from a script, you are just sitting there riffing. And never stumbling over words or getting tongue-tied. Your intelligence and watch knowledge is truly impressive. Keep doing these reviews!
Thanks! To be fair - I do write a script but I don't read off of it on camera. I do practice it some times before sitting down in front of the camera and then allow myself to go a little off script wherever I think it works 😊😊😊
This reminds me of the Swiss watch brands figuring out they are popular in China, then making special Chinese editions in red and with dragons etc. while the Chinese loved and bought the Swiss watches for their Swissness, in design and appearance..
Year of the dragon watches... yup. Interesting perspective 😃😃
Nothing is never new in the watch industry. The Swiss have been tailoring watches to the Orient market for over 150 years and Patek to the South American market (“Gondolo”) for at least 90 years.
I loved that video so much, it was like watching a master chef at work. The way they handled every element was so effortless and perfect, it was like they were dancing with the ingredients. And the final product was an absolute masterpiece, a symphony of flavors that left my taste buds singing. I'm so glad I watched that video, it was an experience I won't soon forget.
Thank you so much! That's very very kind of you 😃😃
Your take on things is outstanding!! I agree with what you are saying 1000%. You truly have a gift when describing things to a dumbass like myself. You have a true gift in the way you illustrate things.
Thanks. I test all my ideas on my wife. If she thinks I'm boring, babbling on, overly detailed and way down a rabbit hole - The video tends to do well 😂😂😂
I think it's good that Patek are putting out designs that look more casual and sporty for their dress watch line ups. It's to lure people away from Nautilus and Aquanauts. If there are people who don't like it, that means it's different, which is good. These watches would look great with a T-shirt and jeans. But a classic calatrava would look weird in the same outfit.
All fine and good. However the price is plain and simply ridiculous.
Maybe - It definitely offers something different from regular Patek fare... 😃
@@rosomak8244 The material is gold, the movement is still where no Rolex has ever come close to. The idea to charge any less than another white gold calatrava because it "looks plain" is stupid.
@@DonLee1980 You're making a good point: the only way to wear this watch is with the caseback facing out, as the movement is the only interesting part. The dial is a mish mash of various inspirations that's extraordinarily bland. I'm sure people will buy it simply because it's Patek, but there are far more interesting watches to be had with this kind of money.
@@johnnyguitar6697 lol, so you are the absolute standard of taste there is in this world right? there are plenty of people who like this design. Just because YOU don't like it, doesn't mean others don't. Many would argue that the traditional Calatrava looks grandpa-esque.
Excellent delivery. Lots to learn from your calmness and demeanor. I'm a university lecturer and I'm looking for ways to improve my teaching and your channel does just that. Plus I learn more about watches as a bonus
That's high praise. Lecturing is no easy task. Thank you. I facilitate a lot back in the real world. The biggest challenge on youtube is remembering to look into the camera 😂😂😂
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch I mean it wholeheartedly. Indeed, it's evident you do it professionally as well. But that's not to remove anything on the impressive delivery of your presentation. I'm excited to watch all your previous and the incoming ones. Best of luck
Interesting discussion. It’s indeed a delicate balance that Patek is trying to strike between being fresh and being traditional. I remember reading in a book or article somewhere that in the old days, think 60s-90s, the word trendy is a forbidden word in Mercedes Benz design. They aimed to create designs that are above contemporary trends of the time and one could argue that’s the reason why old Mercs stay looking good for a long time.
Excellent point - There’s a fine line between making something relevant and making something trendy. AP is all on the later. Patek, less so.
Thanks for sharing 😀😀
It doesn’t actually have the Geneva Seal. Patek abandoned it a long time ago and instead created their own seal. And I totally agree about the movement. But the stamped dial at this price is inexcusable.
That stamped dial is really a big deal breaker for people 😊😊
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch The day I found out the dial of my Seiko Alpinist was stamped, and not applied... I shrugged.
A Swatch Patek 😂. Spot on analysis. My idea of Patek is the basic no date Calatrava with impeccable finishing. Not a watch that drifts towards cheap Swatch or loud Hublot.
No date calatrava. Bordering on perfection 😀😀😀
Rapidly becoming my favourite watch you tuber. Great stuff, please keep it up, and don't change with the times ;)
Thanks, will try not to change 😊😊
Another great vid. Patek is a great family company. I like the classic dress models and the care they put into their designs and movements. However, in recent years, I feel they are chasing the next generation customer as all companies are across the board. Thus, we end up with models like this. I like the engine analogy.
Thank you,
Chris
You're welcome! Thanks for sticking around 😃😃
Strangely enough the 600X watches are my favorites and I nearly bought the 6006G with the small seconds and pointer date, because it was different and funky but a Patek. I love it when brands are having a bit of fun, of course it’s a bit relative with PP but hey….
Fair point - Counterpoint to my position is of course that stuffy and old is not a long term solution. Me personally - 6119G is on my list. 2024 is the year I put my money down 😃
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Absolutely on point! Also, PP is even taking a bit joy out of the journey .. it's as if they made a shortcut for the young watch enthusiast who is still not able to afford (or still feels too young) one but knows he'll eventually end up with one (or not but then this watch doesn't help either)
But then again, what did people say when the nautilus was launched...
@@JimWestrichgood point about the Nautilus
Thanks. Appreciated. I think it very well maybe - a kind of starter watch before you go for core, old school Patek 😃😃
I think you are absolutely right. Now…Patek was a real game changer many many years ago. The first calatrava was a revolutionary watch. I think they can make something entirely new, create a new trend, but this color watches that look like a micro brand kickstarter are not innovation or really new revolutionary stuff. Maybe the nautilus was, in a way, also the aquanaut. Imagine if patek had created the Moser streamliner, that could be a good example of revolutionary and trendy Patek.
It took the quartz crisis for Patek to take a chance on the nautilus design. I wonder if the apple watch will force them to try something new again 😃😃
One of the most sober and penetrating analyses I've seen on a watch. You're up there with ID Guy.
Thank you - much appreciated (I'm a fan of my fellow south african) 😃😃
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch LOL. I was sure you were Danish. You accent sounds exactly like a Dane
South african. Born and raised, but been living in denmark for a long time 😉
I had the watch in my hands yesterday and I love it: you can wear it with jeans and t-shirt and dress it up. Gives a sporty old money vibe!
I think Patek customers are correct in expecting a hand decorated dial, and this stamped effort is clearly a cost saving process that degrades the brand. My main objection is the choice of case material. This would be so much better in a stainless steel case that better captures the sportiness and everyday usability of the watch. They could also significantly reduce the price in S/S that would attract more younger buyers.
Good points! 😃
Excellent discussion - much appreciated. After decades of 'looking on' I love your take which is spot on IMHO. Greetings to you and yours.
Thanks and cheers 😃😃
Gotta be honest….I like the look/vibe of this watch. Can’t come to terms with the price though
Very few can.... 😃😃
Seriously. Case is gold but that strap looks so cheap and then pin buckle and not even a real clasp like Rolex offers on their oysterflex. Yikes. If watch had a white gold clasp as well in addition to the white gold case and a nicer looking strap … then *maybe* mid $30s would be acceptable
@@tangoESPECIALMid thirties is ridiculous. It is just a watch. It is that price because people are willing to pay it. I spent a lot of money on watches and realized one day, they didn’t make me happy anymore. It is just a thing that keeps time.
One of the fantastic aspects of Patek is the range - I really enjoy your thoughtful reviews and I understand many dislike this watch and I very much enjoy mine - I own Patek steel travel time aquanaut, a discontinued regulator 5235 from the advanced research group, a blue dial diamond dial marker dress annual calendar and the 6007G - i wear the 6007G all the time and love the dial design and contrasting color and sweep second- it’s my favorite watch to wear to F1 races and get togethers - i do wish it were in stainless and i missed out getting the stainless version of this reference - to me it fits perfectly in a broad Patek collection with perhaps selection of the metal
The jewel encrusted nutless released at the Dubai Watch show shows Patek is pivoting to a new clientele (ballers, rappers and other nouveau rich types). Patek is turning into a richer nouveau rich than the Rolex client.
Great observation. Sad
I’d be worried if my customer base had one foot in the grave while circling the drain 😎!! Great vid
Exactly. And maybe this is the sad attempt to chg that. But… any HNWI who like racing is probably going to go buy a grey market Daytona instead of this overpriced, homely watch.
LOL true. Imagine 20 years from now…
We'll see. Hopefully somebody will get old and stuffy and end up falling for Patek.... 😂
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch LOL
Happy everyone is hating on it - I'm going to grab one ASAP. Love this piece as an everyday watch. Hope prices stay where they are today on secondary, would pull the trigger immediately.
Great job as always. I’m much more cynical - this is the entry Patek to start the relationship building to one day MAYBE be deemed worthy of getting one of the real Pateks.
IWC: we’re going to come out with a watch (Ingenieur) and price it ridiculously.
PP: hold our champagne…
Lol. Love the IWC - Patek imagery. Probably not far off 😂😂😂
Spot on, I actually had it on my wrist and it felt more like a Tag style than a Patek. Lovely watch nonetheless but so different from the rest of the range.
It does have some things in common with something like a skipper... True 😃😃
I like the watch for its looks. But not sure about the pricetag when the dial is stamped.
You're not the only one that has that comes to that conclusion 😊
Lol. Someone from Patek watching this and thinking.."bro, thanks for 15 min analyzation, but we just wanted to add some color..."😂😂
That is how psychiatrists make their money, yes... 😂😂
I haven't watched the video yet but I immediately cracked up reading the title and had to click on it.
Clickbait works! Hope you enjoyed the vid 😊😊😊
It’s sad because the 6000 and 6006 were relatively innovative and quirky, whereas this just looks like a tissot.
Harsh 😂😂😂
Your video is incredibly insightful and thoughtful, with a but….
The but is people’s personal design language often changes over time as they progress in their watch collection journey. Yes this watch is not the typical Patek that most collectors have come to know and love. And yes, Patek is expanding their already broad lineup to go after a younger audience. Or is it a younger audience? And this is the but…
Having been a collector of Patek for about two decades, and with those years spent collecting more classic Patek watches, I have realized something. My tastes in watches has evolved. I still very much love my more classic Patek’s. Yet I desire more bold designs now. I enjoy watches with more color. I appreciate risk taking in watch design.
This evolving design language has lead me to other brands. Brands I otherwise would not of considered because Patek did not historically create bold and progressive designs. Yet I love my Patek’s and want Patek to take risks!
Prior to watching this video, I would have struggled to contemplate a 6007G, or even one of the very loud precious gemstone Nautilus or Aquanauts. But having had this discusión with numerous collectors recently, having added more modern design pieces from other brands to my collection, and then watching this video just now, I have realized I need to give Patek the benefit for the doubt. I need to follow my design language and trust Patek with some of their modern pieces.
So as I type this, I am concluding I am adding one to my collection!
Wear it in good health!
You have a really good sense of brand identity. Great perspective.
I appreciate that! 😊😊
Agree - spot on, my first PP would be a 6119G-001, I want the classic, quality PP
Excellent choice - Would likely be mine as well 😃😃
This is like the rolls Royce’s cullinan. Completely unnecessary but at the same time absolute essential if you are a collector.
Phantom all the way for me 😊😊
2nd time I’ve caught one of your video’s.
Very good. Well constructed.
Might have to check out a few more, and then maybe subscribe.
Well done.
Hope you do. Thanks 😃
0:00 Let's talk about Sekts bay-bee, let's talk about you and me, let's talk about all the good things and the bad things that may be.....That song was a banger back in the day.
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I often wondered when the law of diminishing returns kick in when considering fit, finish, and accuracy. Not sure anyone needs to spend anything more than Rolex at retail unless you appreciate the hand finished movements. Other than that, Rolex 10k-15k gives you everything you need especially with accuracy. My Rolexes are the most accurate movements I have ever seen in mechanical watches. I set my Rolex Explorer 40mm to a reference time 6 months ago and the watch is +7 seconds. I hate sounding like a Rolex fan boy but they produce almost the perfect watch for their retail price.
The price of this thing is not about any return. It's pure *obscenity*.
For me - It's around 6-8k. Consider this vid where I talk about diminishing returns
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Rolex comes pretty darned close to the perfect mass produced watch. 😃😃
Unless you were only wearing Seiko's before owning a Rolex, +7 seconds a day is nothing remarkable.
Great content. Well researched and brilliantly put together.
Thanks 😀😀
Excellent video as always! Agree with all your points 👍🏻 have you seen the 6006G?? (discontinued).. 39mm, white gold, micro-rotor movement, black dial without the controversial printed pattern . Elegant with just a touch of sportiness. That’s the perfect middle ground and the best of the 6000-6007 line IMO (goes for below retail somehow)
Thanks - glad you enjoyed it 😊
It’s now April 2024 and, at least in the U.S., these watches, brand new, are selling under MSRP. It’s comforting to see some shred of rationality in the watch market.
Thanks for a great and thought provoking video.
Glad you enjoyed it 😃😃
Another great video! Thank you!
Would really enjoy hearing you speak on FP Journe. 2nd time watching this😅🙌🏻
Thanks as always.
FP - Have some ideas for a vid, but want to get hands on one or two more of their watches before I can dive in completely and more broadly. They have some stunners for sure 😃😃😃
Beautiful watch!
Like I said - I like it... 😃
This resonated a lot with me, thank you. I am not buying a PP in the very near future, but it is quite likely that I will be there in a few years from now. The idea of my "having made it" watch is a classy, masterfully made but discrete and timeless one. PP with their history and their stance as pinnacle of watchmaking to me would be the ultimate brand, but looking at their catalogue I cannot point to a model variant and declare it my grail. There simple Calatravas (which to me make the brand along with their complicated chronographs) have grown to 40mm (which is too large for me a dress watch). In smaller sizes they are blingy, diamonds everywhere and else designwise utterly feminine. I do not know if I would want to go vintage for a 2526/5196/5227, probably not, I will probably look elsewhere...
Any thoughts on the weekly calendar 5212a steel calatrava
Never seen it in the metal unfortunately... I've always liked the simplicity of it considering how much information it's communicating 😃
I like your take and it’s an interesting video. I personally quite like the watch, I like the red one because the colours kinda match my logo which means something to me. Maybe one day!
The one thing I don’t get it is why anyone is looking at brands like Patek and VC etc are judging their watches on things like power reserve compared to Omega? It’s the equivalent of writing off a Rolls Royce because it’s MPG compared poorly to Audi. Power reserve is irrelevant to a watch collector, someone spending this money on a watch like this doesn’t have one watch that they take off on Friday and want to put back on Monday, if they did they’d buy a water proof one I’d guess and not a delicate Patek dressed down dress watch?
I think it’s intentionally younger and divisive as a result. I don’t think it’s particularly trendy at all. It’s just a sportier looking dress watch, the overall design is timeless enough. It looks like watches of old but with a splash of colour and a bit of pattern. They got the same accusations when the introduced a Pilots watch with no history of making Pilots watches. It didn’t suit their existing audience so much, but it did suit plenty of people and it’s a beautiful watch.
Staying in their lane making old man watches would not seem a good long term play for Patek either. A few watches that appeal to different eyes to get new customers in or to offer something “out there” to existing collectors is not a bad watch idea to me. A watch that appeals to some eyes and not others similarly seems better than a plain dull reinvention of the same Calatrava my Great Grandad could have worn.
It’s also not a bad idea for Patek owners to have something a little different. If you were lucky enough to have a Nautilus, Aquanaut, Calatrava and maybe a manual chrono or Annual Calendar. Maybe this watch appeals to that collector something different in their collection. There are people out there with 4plus Patek’s and to have something novel in Patek’s catalogue and a completely different look for those people is no bad thing either.
Let’s face it, for some people (not me) the Calatrava is the watch you buy first to allow you to buy the ones you really want later from the AD. A slightly sportier calatrava maybe offers a more palatable gateway to an Aquanaut etc down the line than a watch you might only way for special occasions and not every day.
I have watched a zillion hours of runningmanz "Dave." Interesting seeing you here.
great video, makes very good point. to me, one needs to choose among color variations for a high end product is naturally against its value proposition
Thanks for sharing!😊😊
There are only two patek watches I really like and eventually want to get hold of: The Golden eclipse and steel aquanaut.
Steel aquanaut.... *drools..... 😂😂
Very interesting questions and answers
Enjoyed it
Thanks - Glad you found it worth your time 😃😃
Iam not a Patek buyer but Ive tried this model and the hobnail calatrava in a wonderfully accomodating Patek boutique in Thailand. Obviously none were for sale but I was able to try many watches. My taste would be for the 6119 but if I was to buy one that day I would choose the sporty unPatek Patek 6007. I could wear it more often and its casual look and racing design cues speaks more to a casual lifestyle vs the much prettier but always dressy 6119. So maybe they are appealing to non Patek buyers. The grey market prices show that its working.
I can’t say I agree with this very well thought out review. The reality of buying Pateks at the AD is that they basically force you to buy a Calatrava before they will sell you anything else.
The problem that I have is, I do not like almost any of the watches in the Calatrava collection. I find them to be extremely plain and boring.
But I like a bunch of the PP Complication and Grand Complication watches, as well as some of the Nautilus and Aquanaut collection.
This particular watch at least represents a Calatrava that I would buy and is more appealing to me than the more staid, conservative other watches in the Calatrava collection.
I’m actually quite into car racing and I enjoy the look of this watch. That being said, at this price point given and given this is a Holy Trinity brand, PP should never have stamped the dial and that’s really a cost cutting way to cheap out. But other than that, I don’t think this was a mistake for them to produce this watch. This watch is the way for them to get people to buy the Calatrava, who otherwise wouldn’t.
You have a fair perspective. I have to admit that I've moved position ever so slightly as to what Patek is doing. The more they release, the more it becomes clear that the calatrava line is being modernised and turned into a much more youthful, non-dressy watch aiming for a younger audience... For the studio underdog and nomos crowd but in a higher income bracket 😊
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch correct. If they want to attract the next generation of collectors and they’re making the Calatrava the gateway watch to get anything else, they need to have a few that would appeal to people who don’t like super conservative watches. The 6007G is that watch. The 5226G is in the spirit as well. Still, at that price point and being a Patek, the dial of the 6007G should not be stamped.
For example, I’m not that much into most of the Vacheron Constantin watches but I do love the look of the Overseas collection and I have a stainless steel blue dial Overseas chronograph and my wife has an ice blue dial Overseas as well. Most of the other collections do nothing for me.
I discovered your channel today, very informative and interesting! Big congratulation! I'm waiting for Tudor BB54, I saw your video about it. Hi! From Switzerland
Zoltan
Awesome, thank you! 😃😃😃
Saw them in Watches and Wonders, and I find them stunning. I personally like the red one. To me, it is entering something with a slightly new design language, while still being classy in its own way. Patek defines who they are, not collectors. ALS collectors also rejected the Zeitwerk in 2009, this is not ALS! Yes, it was. You just need to be open-minded to new things.
I like them too. Seen them multiple times, but I wouldn't pay that much for it. 6119G for me (or a Zeitwerk minute repeater) 😃😃😃
When a watch costs as much as a car, I choose the car. But I will dream of the watch for a couple of weeks. Eventhough I have plenty of money in the bank, to retire, no debt, own multiple homes, I just would rather spend my money on other things and vacation trips. But most of all, I don't draw more pleasure by spending a lot of money on watches. A little goes a long way, but more doesn't give me more pleasure. Maybe I'm just cheap. I think I'm being wise.
The car more often depreciates. A watch can be a store of value (not an investment). If you have your real investments in tax free (or tax incentivised) wrappers like an ISA and a SIPP in the uk then spending on a watch with some that’s left over can be more appealing than buying a car that depreciates or costs a lot more to maintain if it’s a classic car.
Of course it’s horses for courses. I would hope nobody buying Patek’s is choosing them over living life! I’m sure some are
This watch is well executed and balanced. That the dial may be stamped is not a deal breaker. I’m sure Patek uses a stamp machine with special qualities and advanced technology rather than ordinary stamps used by other companies.
Good point - Just the principal of "stamping" likely gets afficionados riled up 😃😃
Well said. If Patek wanted to get into something a little trendy, they should have created or bought a different brand or name to put on it. What everyone expects from Patek is very expensive but classy watches. Rolls shouldn't get into the Lexus market. It just lowers them to a lower level.
I like the yellow one and I'm old enough to be your dad. I think a watch at that price should hand finish their dials but I'm not their customer, either. If I were to buy a Patek for $37K, it would be a dress watch.
The hand finishing thing is starting to make sense to me as a "must have feature" in the high end 😃😃
For that much money, somebody should sweat over it. @@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
The dial and the texture strap make the watch look spoty but in a playful way... This is a luxury watch to complement someone's athlesure outfit 😅. The white Date window may look like a dissonance in the dial, but it sort of gives certain symmetry in the dial... But this definitely looks like a Patek equivalent of "Hello fellow kids..."
Buscemi..... Lol 😂😂
I never thought Patek would be offering their own versions of a Seiko 5, yet here we are. However, I'm not young with more money than taste, so I'm not the target audience (just kidding for those that like the watch, but it's not my style). I think they're looking at brands like AP for inspiration to hook new and younger customers. Maybe we'll soon see grand complications with enameled Batman and Superman. The "sporty" and more eye-catching Calatravas might also explain Patek's new crop of very iced-out Instagram watches.
Nevertheless, if people are buying it, who am I to judge. That's capitalism. I'd just be happy if they shrank down some of their classic offerings to the more reasonable sizes of past years. Both types of styles can exist in Patek's catalog at once.
Lastly, I additionally recall in an W&W 2023 interview Theirry Stern mentioning how he was slowly bringing his two sons into the business to eventually pass it on. The new Pateks might their influence.
Patek and Seiko 5. Harsh - Lol 😂😂 But I get the sentiment. To each their own and if people like they like as you say.
cheers. 😃😃
Thanks, great video. Its funny, never looked at Patek, but, the more I look at watches, the more interest I get in watches, the more I look at Patek. But for now I settle with GS and Tudor, they are attainable. But who knows what the future hold. In the last few days I have fallen completely in love with a Tissot, the Heritage 1938 salmon dial, nothing fancy or expensive or exclusive, but attainable now. What do you think of that Tissot model, or What do you think of Tissot in general?
My 3rd gen Vacheron Constantin Overseas also has no stop seconds 😂
Poor you 😂😂
Good stuff.Only error is they no longer have the Geneva Seal and it says PP in the shield on the movement.Another sneaky move by them.Hate their advertising;the bloody kids can buy their own Apple Watches.
Lol 😂😂
I think you’re right in thinking that Patek is chasing after a desire to be young and relevant to the younger demographic. I don’t know how else to explain the newest releases last week… the new aquanaut 5260. Those are just ghastly!
They have definitely made a shift. Beefing up cases, adding colour. It's aimed at a new audience for sure 😊😊
As for rainbow gem watches - I find very very few attractive .
Interesting and insightful commentary; however what's missing is the fact that the high end luxury market is getting younger with each year. That you want to purchase a classical PP perfectly fits your age and watch knowledge. However, the facts of the Swiss industry show us that new buyers today are about 15-20 years younger than the typical PP buyer was back in 2002....
Maybe. But Ed Sheeran is 32 years old, and he buys old Patek as well. 😀😀😀
Gotcha, sure, but Ed is by no means an average collector. He's the exception that proves the rule of what we see new young buyers purchasing 🤓@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
Think of Porsche when they first came out SUVs. How very un-Porsche, yes?
But today, the Cayenne is doing extremely well.
The mindset of the customer changed. The customer changed. They grew older and had kids.
Porsche did not want to allow the customer $ to go to another brand. They did not want the customer to have a 911 and Volvo type SUV. They want the customer to have BOTH the 911 and a Cayenne.
I believe Patek is doing the same thing here. And they are dipping their horological toes into the cool-pool. For both the first-time patek buyers as well as the existing patek customers, they are offering an alternative to yet “another conservative piece”.
I believe they have their sights on existing AP customers that have become bored with royal oaks.
Best wishes from Singapore Marc☀️
The Cayenne you mean?!
@@JimWestrich yea thanks. Edited my comment
Potentially you may be right... We'll see over time 😃😃
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I bought the rose gold Calatrava 5119 a month ago from Chrono1010 from Prague. Beautiful watch.
Going to buy this one and the weekly calendar just cause they are awesome.
Lucky you 👍👍
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch in my working days, visually seeing the entire year like this all the time would have been really healthy.
I’ve been contemplating whether a watch like this year’s golden armor divine dragon - year of the dragon g-shock is a step too far with gaudy design, though g shocks aren’t known for luxurious designs, they have a restrained utilitarian look. Would you buy that model? Your opinion might help inform my future decisions with watches like that from Casio
Can't make that decision for you. The chinese "year of the..." watches that get released every year obviously aren't marketed towards someone like me. Some are cool but I often find very ornate and detailed cases and designs to be a bit much. I sometimes worry that I'll tire of them when the novelty wears off. So I inevitably end up buying more safe designs that have more longevity.
You do you.... 😃😃
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch as an update I did buy this latest “golden armor” dragon watch, took your advice you’ve given before, to choose and wear what makes you feel happy over any other considerations. Thanks for your thoughtful response, huge fan of your videos and I even wish you’d put them out more frequently! Extremely educational
Absurdly priced for what you are getting IMO. Having said that I really like the red accent version.
This watch epitomises the fact that Patek is living on old glory and reputation and their new watches are really a few levels bellow the concurrent brands. Compare this to a random watch from A Lange or Vacheron or Glashutte Original
AS am I... They're on the way back up 😃
Incredible deduction of the current state of Patek.
thanks for that 😀😀
Pagani Design just released their version 😊😊😊
I will probably buy it.
Still around 130 euro, I will wait until it comes dowb below 70...😂😂😂 Yes, I am THAT cheap.
lol 😂😂
Well done. I can see the appeal, but I can't imagine this being a classic Patek owner's first or only Patek. In terms of the non-classic owner, they already have the Aquanaut etc. so this would only be a half measure in terms of trying to be cool or trendy.
Thanks 😃
You are dead right.
I think it's a beautiful watch but will not appeal to a Patek wearer.
Obsessive Patek collectors are another species - they won't be able to restrain themselves as one day this will be a very special Patek.
it's as though their designers created something for another brand.
Your analysis is superb.
Thanks - Glad you felt it resonated 😃
This reminds me of long gone Louis Vuitton looks at least the dial which is not a good thing.
I like the watch myself - would not buy it though - I would prefer nearly double up the spend and get that steel salmon dial world timer
But great video everything you said does indeed make sense
Thanks. Appreciated! 👍👍👍
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch no problem, I’m now a new subscriber!
Bravo! I love the concept but will stay with my Calatrava 5196G...... I am a 68 year old 2015 Porsche 911 Targa 4S owning Dad but might buy a 6007 stainless model for $20K!
In other words, no need for Patek to come to us. We will go to Patek, as and when we can.
lol. true 😂😂
Was the original 6007 non coloured dial not stamped?
Stamped (embossed) as well... 😃😃
It’s an entry level offering. Yes PP no crap should leave or be made in your facilities. $38k is a boatload of money, however in PP terms it’s nearly the tax equivalent of their others. Above all, it’s faddy looking not a timeless instant classic like a lot of other models. T)
The PR I dont care for that much. But why is it so thick? An Orion from Nomos is at least unusually thin.
Nomos Orion Weiss for me all the way 😃😃
I like the watch, but after listening to you I understand why people don't. When I first saw it I thought, roulette anyone?
Absolutely 100 % agree on your saying !
Thank you! Nobody is forcing you I hope, but thank you nonetheless 😂😂😃
AP Code 11:59 steel dials are stamped.
Correct. That also was a bit of a controversy 😃😃
It isn’t for me. But let’s not forget that the Aquanaut was considered sacrilegious when released.
It looks like a $699 microbrand piece. It very un-Patek. I heard that the CEO’s young kids helped design them.
I quite like the aesthetic, but it’s not $37k+ nice. And PP couldn’t even be bothered to colour-match the date wheel! Stamped dial and all, it probably actually costs $699 to make (efficiently), even taking the gold content into account.
As a holy trinity brand, arguably the ‘best’ watch brand, you must retain class, a timelessness (if you forgive the pun), a sophistication, that transcends fashion and era; the watch equivalent of the E-type, the Routemaster, the K6, the Kenwood Chef, Concorde, etc., design across generations if you like, whilst modernising and continually improving the production, the parts, the tech underlying the design. I get a feeling of uncertainty from PP, as I do from AP for that matter. I’m guessing PP buyers don’t like that.
Just like a watch version of the meme "How do you do, fellow kids?..."
@@borassictime918 I don't think the date wheel should match the dial color when the date window is replacing an index. In this case it should match the color of the hour marker, just as what Petek did.
@@UVB76theBoozer It is subjective I suppose, but for me it looks cheap’d out, unthought through, if a deliberate design choice certainly could have been better realised.
Yep. Cheaped out.,Especially with that stamped dial. Seems like Patek is testing the waters to see just what they can get away with. Cutting corners Thierry? Rushing production?
It’s a $37k Omega SeaMaster Olympic that gives strong Spinnaker vibes 🎉
Lol 😂
I own the yellow version of this. My first patek. This video was great. Its a gangster watch, looks and feels great. Gets 0 attention. I bet they discontinue it because dudes that cant get it up any more dont like it 😂
I have always wondered watches in precious metals what we are really paying for
The name on the dial 😃😃😃😂😂
Sounds fair . I do prefer too the 6007a or the 5226
It’s not even gaudy or flashy, it’s downright ugly.
I wouldn't go that far, but it is very different than most other Pateks for sure 😃😃
brilliant stuff
Thank you 😃
I actually quite like it. A fun take. But can’t stomach the price
Few can... 😃
Well I was recently advised I would never be a patek buyer and therefore my opinions mean nothing. So saying I really like the design, and that someone stepped up and added some yellow, really sets this watch a part from the brand. Which I guess explains why I like it. Really doesn’t matter since Patek doesn’t want me as a customer no matter my buying power.
Don't listen to Thierry. 😂
What do you think about the 5178G with the new dial
The one with the blue(ish) dial? Not a fan of the pattern but the rest is gorgeous 😀
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch you mean the dial?
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatchthinking to get 1
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatchthe old 1 is superb this 1 is more stylish mhmhh
You can tell this is a Patek from the back... not from the front... If the Patek branding was not there I am not sure what brand I would expect to be on the dial. Money aside the dial reminds me of a factory with yellow safety paint. The pattern reminds me of aluminum plating on my bakkie's step. Why would you put such a gorgeous movement in such a weird watch? I would rather have the Tissot Sideral but neither of these appeal to me.
That's the thing. I like it, but it's more Nomos than Patek up front... 😃😃
You might be right there! Have a great weekend Mike!
6:50 that 6007A ❤❤❤
You and me both 😃😃
1 big problem. 30m water resistance.
It definitely doesn’t align with the sports look.
Don't get me started on water resistance.... 😂😂
30 Metre water resistance! That’s a deal breaker. What the hell is going down in the Stern family? Thierry bump his head on a ski lift?
I am happy with my cellphone which has all the functions that i need. I did have a seiko quartz once which was very accurate. I guess I will never be cool.
Seiko is a lovely brand. Wear it with proud.
Lol 😂
Not my kind of watch, but great video!:)
As long as you like the vid, I'm happy. 😃😃
I actually don't agree with you! The watch looks amazing and almost everyone agrees on that (you included) still people feel the urge to talk bad about it! Just because (for now) it doesn't feel like a classic Patek! But the thing is, every classic was born at some time and not a single classic was branded as that at the beginning! Nautilus was also considered an extremely bad decision from Patek when it was introduced! So its honestly more about human nature than how good or bad this watch is! =)
Fair enough - We like what we like 😃