Sam Harris on Benevolent Dictatorship and Atatürk
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- Neuroscientist Sam Harris and the founder of the online news show The Young Turks, Cenk Uygur, discuss the issues of transitioning to democracy, benevolent dictatorship and the Atatürk example.
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_"I have no religion and at times I wish all religions at the bottom of the sea. _*_He_*_ _*_who_*_ _*_needs_*_ _*_religion_*_ _*_to_*_ _*_uphold_*_ _*_his_*_ _*_government_*_ _*_is_*_ _*_a_*_ _*_weak_*_ _*_ruler;_*_ it is as if he would catch his people in a trap. My people are going to learn the principles of democracy, the dictates of truth and the teachings of science. Superstition must go. Let them worship as they will; every man can follow his own conscience, provided it does not interfere with sane reason or bid him against the liberty of his fellow-men."_
_"Benim bir dinim yok ve bazen bütün dinlerin denizin dibini boylamasını istiyorum. _*_Hükümetini_*_ _*_ayakta_*_ _*_tutmak_*_ _*_için_*_ _*_dini_*_ _*_kullanmaya_*_ _*_gerek_*_ _*_duyanlar_*_ _*_zayıf_*_ _*_yöneticilerdir._*_ Âdetâ halkı bir kapana kıstırırlar. Benim halkım demokrasi ilkelerini, gerçeğin emirlerini ve bilimin öğretilerini öğrenecektir. Batıl inançlardan vazgeçilmelidir. İsteyen istediği gibi ibadet edebilir. Herkes kendi vicdanının sesini dinler. Ama bu davranış ne sağduyulu mantıkla çelişmeli ne de başkalarının özgürlüğüne karşı çıkmasına yol açmalıdır."_
Atatürk
Kaynak verebilirmisiniz?
Atatürk ömrünün ilk yıllarında yobaz olmayan bir dindar son yıllarında ise bir Yaradana inanan bir Deist olmuştur. Ateist değil! Ateist ile Deist farklı şeylerdir. Deistler Allah'a yani her şeyin başlangıcı olması gereken bir yaratıcı güce, varlığa ya da yapıya inanırlar. Bu nedenle Ateistlerden daha zeki ve mantıklıdırlar.
WE all have no religion at times.. eg 1+1=3
@@NEMZOOO Ne küfür ediyorsun kardeşim
@@rosehipp biz ateistler zeki ve mantikli degilmisizde ona kufur ettim hem sonra sanane sen isine bak
Ataturk was a great man
but he fked up by allowing Islam to remain, now Turkey is turning back into an Islamic shizhole.
Atatürk is a great man
Ataturk was more benevelont dictator . H e was the light of turkey when people struggling in their darkness
Youssef Abbara
He was a dictator so that Turkey never becomes a dictatorial nation again . He reformed Turkey and made it a civilized nation .
Wasim Ahmed
What utter crap man
He was a dictator
The ottomans were already civilised even more civilised then some western countries of that era
Mustafa kemel ataturk was a dictator through an through
He was a nationalist that only cared about turkey
Islam doesn't see nationalism that's why he targeted Islam
He stopped construction of mosques and he forced men to stop wearing traditional clothes but more western looking clothing
Who the fuck does he think he is that bastard
He was a western lover dog
A lapdog for the west
He made turkey weak
Look at it now
Once it used to dominate the Middle East
The sultan refused to sell Palestine to Britain even when the empire was suffering economically
There is no Muslim state that can compete with any western power the ottomans were the last bastions
Now the Middle East is a plate ground for superpowers to feast on
Deaths everywhere
Atatürk would roll in his grave at what Erdogan is doing today. Undoing all he has done.
Lord Slashington III yeah go ahead and insult the wrong person with your wicked knowledge but first ask yourself why the fuck nations,in middle east,so weak to get toyyed by big nations?
Youssef Abbara th-cam.com/video/sIl6ft5tNlU/w-d-xo.html
Atatürk would roll in his grave at what Erdogan is doing today. Undoing all he has done.
I am ROSSO even dead atatürk in his grave will defeat erdoğan. How do I know? Because I^'m turkish and I know turkish youth who understands atatürk's ideas will defeat erdogan.
Erdogan will not last long turkish people are now waking up from their nap we’re not gonna lose our secularity and we will be following Ataturk’s path for ever
I am ROSSO th-cam.com/video/sIl6ft5tNlU/w-d-xo.html
Definetely. But young population on turkey is aware of this situation and ı hope someday Turkey will be better and peaceful place.
@@xqkcq6284 Turkey is a peaceful place :) Hating on a leader just because he is a muslim?
Somalia needs an Ataturk
Exactly
@American Memes Ataturk fixed the Turkish economy so quickly that the growth rates surpassed most countries. His Statism ideology caused the economy to grow so fast that no Turkish leader has been as successful as him at growing the economy. Learn some history before talking.
@@obamabinladen7234 If he knew he wouldn't talk ever again pal. Trust me.
@@theturkish1373 ataturk is not someone a Muslim should look up to
@@seeyalater3510 Who cares if he is muslim or not. You have Muslim leaders? Are they as good as Atatürk? No. Then prioritize your thoughts.
Not many know this, but Park Chung Hee, a South Korean dictator considered Ataturk to be his rolemodel and tried to copy Ataturk. Nowadays, Park is a very controversial figure among South Korean progressives who think him as a ruthless military dictator. However, despite being so controversial, many people still agree that it was him that laid the economic foundation for modern South Korean society.
I can go on and on about nuances and intricacies, but judging by the results, Ataturk style benevolent dictatorships DO WORK when the right man is in the right place.
maybe u need someone to take all the blame push through a benevolent agenda ruthlessly politically so that later generations can profit from it, to some generations much is goven from some much is asked
Nobody can copy Atatürk, Atatürk was unique
What differentiates Ataturk from even Park Chung Hee or Lee Kuan Yew was that he was an absolutely brilliiant military man. He really know bureaucracy and organizations to the tee. Singapore was colonized by the British so they had institutions down before LKY. South Korea had US backing. Turkey had NOTHING and NO ONE when Ataturk was alive. Remember this was decades before the Cold War and Turkey joining NATO. And still Ataturk made it work after winning the absolute long shot that was the Turkish War of Independence. It's incredible.
Ironically; Adjectives like King, Queen or Princess are used positively even as praise today. But the word dictator is used negatively. Whereas Kings, Queens, Sultans, Shahs, Tsars were always despotic, brutal and murderer people. And they were sitting on that throne from birth. There was a disgusting racist concept called noble blood. But Dictators emerge from the public. They don't carry noble blood. Their father is not a king! And the people choose them! Shortly:
Dictators are divided into two. Bad dictator, good dictator. But people always think of bad dictators! Because schools, media and art always talk about bad dictators! So; Atatürk is best good dictator and alsi best leader of all time!
Ok but how is noble family is racist? It is not even a race
@@mercscar8579 "My family blood is noble but your bloods are just blood." This is not racist to you???
@@cemaldindar771 do you even know what “race” is?
@@mercscar8579 Look at European royal families. Is there a Black or Asian princess, prince, queen or king? Or look Asian royal families. Don't you think this is racist thing? Royal families are extremely racist and conservative even today. But they pretend it isn't. What happened to Lady Diana and Megan Markhl is obvious.
I know but this "racist" word is not just used for races! In Turkish, this word is used for all hate crimes and also for those who consider their own family, lineage, blood, and skin superior to other people.
You know what we mean, but you're pretending to be stupid right? ;)
@@cemaldindar771 no he isn't pretending to be stupid, you can't expect to use a word out of context and then accuse people of "pretending to be stupid"
calling ataturk a dictator is hard when you consider how he came to power and what he had done with it. he was an army officer but he didnt say "ottoman sultan is weak, i should be the new king" - he united and led the people to protest against occupations and showed people that ottoman leadership didnt even support the resistance. and he created a faith in turkish people that turks dont need a caliph or a king to rule themselves to live in a free country. he insisted on turkish independence and a parliament of turkish people. he was elected as first president but he used his power to modernize the country. this is a revolution, he had given rights for women to vote and to be elected even before many european countries. he is an exceptionally good leader and a military commander. very few intelligent people would take a risk to defend already corrupt country, lead a resistance war and be succesfull in the end.
Ataturk was a dictator but the difference from other dictators was the Turkish people DID want him to be a dictator.
@@runokati3668
If Atatürk had wanted to, he would have directly entered the prime ministerial elections and would have won each election with 80-90 percent of the votes. Because he was the savior and founding leader of Turkey. At least 80% of the public admired him. They loved and respected a lot.
Today, at least 70%-80% of Turkey loves and respects Atatürk.
And Atatürk was elected president with the support of 99% of the deputies of the national assembly elected by the people. It was the Prime Minister and his ministers who actually ruled the country in internal affairs. Atatürk was more interested in foreign affairs and economic and cultural breakthroughs, leading the government and the people in these areas. The Ottomans never invested in Anatolia for hundreds of years and always excluded those of the Turkish race and always massacred them. Almost everything that was established in Turkey was done thanks to Atatürk. From giving women the right to vote, to the rights of children and animals. Atatürk, the first leader who thought of everything that should be in a modern country and tried to implement it in the whole country, in short, the economy, agriculture, agriculture, animal husbandry, medicine, health, education, art, history, clothing that facilitates daily life, the alphabet, units of measurement, army and police organization. 'was. Before that, there was no such leader on Turkish soil. The Ottoman Sultans only invested in the European side of Istanbul and the Balkans. Women had no rights. In other words, half of the country had no rights! Greeks, Armenians and Kurds have always had better living conditions than the Turks. By the way, Turks were formerly called Turkmen as a race. Turk, on the other hand, was the general name of everyone living in the Ottoman lands.
And Atatürk never liked the Union and Progress Party. They also did not like Atatürk and they always organized assassinations and always tried to prevent it. Especially Enver, Talat and Celal Pashas.
By the way:
People always look at the word Dictator negatively, but they use words like King, Queen, Princess, Prince, Sultan, Shah, Tsar as praise. However, in history, Kings, Queens, Princes were always more cruel. Even the worst Dictator often became a leader by military success or was elected. There was no bloodline, no royal blood nonsense, inherited from their fathers. And not every dictator was bad. Dictator literally means dictator. Those who dictate good things are called Good Dictators. People like Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Stalin, and Mao who dictate bad things are called bad dictators. But after evil dictators like Hitler, the word dictator was used negatively all over the world. Words such as King and Queen, which were seen as negative before, started to be used in a positive sense due to the magazine royal weddings of the British and with the influence of movies and TV series.
Completely wrong. Classic kemalism head ideas
@@runokati3668 literally. You nailed it so well
What you said is completely true 👍
Ataturk was a great man. I wish Arabs have a leader like him.
I wish there was no false beliefs ; religions.
I m Turkish man. Thank you. Arabic leader H.Z MUHAMMED
Gamal Abdel nassar
well, i wish WE have another leader like him lol
Are you not Muslim ?
A benevolent dictator who transitions a society to democracy...how was that not Ataturk? He literally dictated democracy right? One of the greatest leaders ever.
the greatest roach ever
@@muslimshexany6066 Says you lmao.
@@jacobjones5294 great diss
@@muslimshexany6066 not as good as your "the greatest roach ever" masterpiece of a diss
@@jacobjones5294 i know
“Unless a nation's life faces peril, war is murder.”
― Mustafa Kemal Atatürk
As a Turk both of them not deeply understand who Atatürk was and what did it exactly. He's neither dictator nor tyrant. He tried to start cultural and political enlightenment in Turkey and so on middle east. Particularly in Turkey Atatürk successfully gain victory in his target. Just look Turkey now. It's a modern democracy and makes elections periodically. Turkish Revolution is kindly different compared to other revolutions.
Kimse inanmıyor kardeş nefesini yorma boşuna.
Atatürk ❤️ forever 🇹🇷
the false assumption that democracy is good and benevolent dictatorship is bad
"Benevolent dictatorship is bad" is kinda an oxymoron
@@PhantomAyz don't be a moron. Democracy is tyranny of the brainwashed sheeple
@@PhantomAyz So let your little children stick a fork into the power point wall outlets in your home while there is power running through them, don't benevolently dictate and teach them what happens if they do it, and also don't prevent them from doing it.
Turkey was the luckiest country in the world they had such a great leader as Ataturk when they needed the most.
You mean dog
@@scaryjoker Are you writing your own name
@@scaryjokerHoşt ulan
@@AA-jp9cj Atatürk is a filthy dog. Clear?
Didn't the US run a "benevolent dictatorship" in Japan after WWII? McArthur was a military governor accountable only to the US President. A constitution written by the US was imposed on Japan. The US governor heavily vetted candidates for the first set of elections.
Yes, also in the Philippines
And Japan is best modern country in the world today.
using US and benevolent in the same sentence is funny
M.K.ATATÜRK.İS THE GREATEST POPOLAR LEADER İN HİSTORY AND REVOLUTİONARY.
Don`t care Ataturk was dictator or not, all I know is that, he gave us our identity back, centuries we were under arab culture, we even classed as a arab nation,
he smashed that , said, How happy is the one saying I am Turkish, LONGLIVE ATATURK
Are you Muslim ?
@@UnknownSend3r why u asking ??
@@shamanforever1549 because Atatürk was a clear enemy to Islam, and no Muslim should hold him in high regard.
@@UnknownSend3r thats good, we don`t like arabs
@@shamanforever1549 so are you Muslim bro ?
A Dictator does not have to be fascist . Russian Petro, German Kaiser Frederick brought science and education to their countries.
2 sene kaldı çekiklerimizi unutmayacağız
Foundation is so strong in Ataturks Turkey nothing will happen and, Erdogan will be forgotten one day if he continues on what he does Not saying he is a bad guy but he created massive conflict amongst turks. Ataturk is a legent and massive figure for every Turk, for religious and non religious.
Yorumları okuyan gençler her söz doğru değildir diyeyim .
Konuyla ilgili yorum yapacaktım fikrim yanlışsa sizleri zehirlemesin diye sustum
cok guzel vede ince bir soz tebrik ederim seni.
Ne demeye calistiginizi aciklar misiniz? Ben anlamayamadim mazur gorun lutfen
Hicbisey demeden herseyi anlatmissin. Kral adamsin
A dictator is not inherently bad and a system without voting is not necessarily immoral. There are more ways than putting a ballot in a box - you could have participation through consultation instead of just voting.
Benevolent dictator = well meaning and kindly.
"I am not a dictator, they say that i am very strong and strong willed ; Yes, this is true, there is nothing that i desire that i cannot achieve, because i do not know how to act relentlessly and by forceful means, to me the dictator is one who makes others succumb to his will. I would like to rule not by breaking hearts but rather by winning them."
~ Mustafa Kemal, The ATATURK ~ (Statement given to Journalist/Reporter Gladys Baker, (Marilyn Monroe’s mother I think?) 21/06/1935
The motto of Ataturk's party, in fact, was "rule for the people, in spite of the people." Yet, democracy only works when the people are educated and can make informed decisions, and the vast majority of the Turkish population in the 1920s was illiterate, let alone informed about democracy, and had never before experienced a republican form of government. This may sound dangerous; yet historic and modern examples show that Ataturk's heavy-handedness in many of his reforms are required to get a nation out of destructive traditions and poor conditions.
@@TheOzTube "rule for the people, in spite of the people."
Can you give me a source for that?
@@woohooman-fl9vq it's an expression, it's what he did to modernize Turkey, not his quote.. His quote was :
"I shall Dictate Democracy so that there will never be another dictator in my country ever again"
"I am not a dictator, they say that i am very strong and strong willed ; Yes, this is true, there is nothing that i desire that i cannot achieve, because i do not know how to act relentlessly and by forceful means, to me the dictator is one who makes others succumb to his will. I would like to rule not by breaking hearts but rather by winning them."
~ Mustafa Kemal, The ATATURK ~ (Statement given to Journalist/Reporter Gladys Baker, (Marilyn Monroe’s mother I think? or another reporter by that name, she had 8 mothers total, Foster care etc) 21/06/1935
Islamic countries today are regarded as societies devoid of modernity and quality because some Muslims live by a concept of the faith that is rooted in superstitions. Among the nations of the Islamic world, Turkey is the country that best understands the true quality and modernity in Islam. One of the main reasons for Turkey being a shining star of the Islamic world and a "contemporary civilization" is the revolutions carried out by Ataturk. Of course it was impossible to grasp the wisdom in the revolutions that we all studied in school during our childhood years: However, the way Turkey remained unaffected by the political upheavals and radicalism that affect the Islamic world today has clearly revealed the auspicious nature of Ataturk’s revolutions.
Our country is the most democratic and peaceful country among all Islamic nations. Had Ataturk’s vision of democracy not been brought to Turkey through the declaration of the Republic, it might today have been one of those countries in which al-Qaeda and ISIL were hard at work; in terms of political upheavals and civil war, it might have been no different to Syria or Egypt. If Turkey today is a country where everyone can freely express all kinds of opinions and beliefs and respect the lives, ideas and life styles of other people that is thanks to Ataturk. As a matter of fact, that is also what is compatible with Qur’anic moral values, because the conception of justice and democracy in Islam permits the easy expression of all ideas, even irreligious and atheist ideologies and other opposing ideas. It commands that false ideas should be eliminated, not through force and compulsion, but by telling people the truth through intellectual and educational campaigns.
There are people today in many Islamic countries who are against art, beauty, music, dance and quality and who are deeply opposed to those who try to introduce them. However, these people do grave harm to Islam through these attitudes. Ataturk, however, proved through the example of Turkey that the Islamic world can be modern, intellectual, high-quality and civilized, and led the way through his revolutions to the elimination of the concept of Islamophobia in the world. That perception, which led to Muslims being feared in many parts of the world and therefore to their being oppressed wherever they lived, has today been undermined by the example of Turkey. Because of that, Turkey is described as “a model Islamic country” or “the leader of Islamic countries." Through his behavior, lifestyle, the beauty of the places he lived in, his clothing and his manners, Ataturk made the world acquainted with the true model of Islam. His revolutions aimed to have a superior conception of sensitivity, kindness, art, beauty, modernity and quality settled in Turkey.
For example, the alphabet revolution was the best way to be able to communicate with the rest of the world. Of course learning and being able to read Arabic, the language of the Qur’an, is a great privilege and an amazing beauty, and it is easy to learn Arabic quite quickly when one so wishes. In other words, the alphabet revolution is no obstacle to learning Arabic, the language of the Qur’an. However, the alphabet revolution was hugely important in terms of integrating Turkey to the rest of the world; switching to the Latin alphabet meant being able to read scientific publications and follow developments across the world with ease, and meant that Turkish scientists, artists and writers could easily put their own works before the world. The alphabet revolution alone is enough to see Ataturk’s foresight and intelligence.
God reveals in the Qur’an the measures that need to be taken so that women are watched over and protected in society and enjoy the love and respect they deserve. Ataturk implemented those measures of the Qur’an and ensured, through a series of revolutions in 1930-1934, that women would be able to take part in economic and social life and thus come to enjoy an equal position with men. The fact is that some of the most modern countries in the world today only gave women the right to vote and stand for office long after Turkey, such as Sweden in 1971 and France and Italy in 1946. Ataturk made Turkey a leading country in this area. All women in Turkey, whether they cover their heads or not, are incomparably more comfortable than those in many other countries. Much of the responsibility for that lies with Ataturk’s revolutions concerning women’s rights. It must not be forgotten that if women in a society are happy and comfortable, that whole society will be happy and at peace.
Muslims are told of the lofty quality of our Prophet (saas), the beauty of the Prophet Joseph and the glorious life of the Prophet Solomon. In the Qur’an, God commands Muslims to keep themselves, their clothes and their homes in spotless and to be the cleanest and most immaculate people in the world. Ataturk also led the way in this area by taking a very positive step with the clothing reforms he brought. Although some fundamentalirreligioist types opposed it to begin with, Ataturk carried out his clothing reforms with the very best of intentions and taught the Turkish people how to dress elegantly. To that end, he sent his own tailor to England and had him trained there. He set an example to the Turkish people through his own personal style of dressing. Despite the limited means available, Turkish people dressed very elegantly and well in those days. This smart and elegant way of dressing that Ataturk ushered in during the early years of the Republic broadens our horizons today as well.
Ataturk also implemented God’s command that everyone should speak kindly, and used a very beautiful, kind form of language himself. With his perfect and refined use of the Ottoman language he set an example to the Turkish people and to world leaders.
The purpose behind Ataturk’s invitations to receptions where many artists would be present, and where he would personally dance and listen to music, was to spread joy and happiness throughout society as a whole. The fact that music can be produced all over Turkey today, that Turkish artists are well-known and give concerts abroad and that everyone in Turkey can enjoy this form of entertainment is due to the fact that Ataturk enacted a form of Islam based on the Qur’an.
Music, dance and having fun are depicted as dangerous in some Islamic countries today, and people who engage in them are regarded as worthy of punishment. Yet the presence of music, fun and joy in one’s life is a great blessing: In their absence, people become inward-looking, restless and insensitive. With them, Muslims perform their religious observances on the one hand and enjoy an agreeable state of mind that is happy and enjoys music and having fun on the other. In the absence of joy and fun, pessimism and negativity will descend upon people; the result of that is increasing numbers of people with no love in their faces, who speak in an apathetic or angry or negative way and who take no pleasure from nice things, or even try to do away with them entirely; simply put, people who spread negativity all around them. The unhappiness caused by such prohibitions has a significant effect on uprisings based on anger in certain Islamic societies.
Another fine thing that Ataturk bequeathed the Turkish nation is the Turkish Army. An army that had suffered constant defeats in the final years of the Ottoman Empire regained its prestige as a ‘powerful army’ with Ataturk. If the Turkish Army is today one of the most powerful in the world, and is able to deal with terrorist organizations such as the PKK, that is to a large extent because Ataturk turned the Turkish Army into an exceedingly modern one.
These revolutions of Ataturk’s are referred to by some people, due to a false perspective, as ‘irreligious.’ The fact is that Ataturk was a devout and genuine Turkish nationalist. How do those who erroneously describe Ataturk as ‘irreligious’ account for his having the 'Commentary of Elmalı', the greatest commentary on the Qur’an, drawn up, having Bukhari, the most important book of hadiths, translated, establishing the Department of Religious Affairs, encouraging people to live by the true Islam, reading the Qur’an almost every evening, having scholars who had memorized the Qur’an around him and having them recite the Qur’an, carrying out serious research into the Qur’an, praising our Prophet (saas) with great love and expressing a joyous love of God? It is a terrible thing that those circles who otherwise regard anyone was says 'La ilaha illallah, Muhammedan Rasullullah' as a Muslim should fail to concentrate on this facet of Ataturk, who gave great service to Islam through his revolutions and was a genuine restorer of the faith.
It must not be forgotten that Ataturk deserves much of the credit for Turkey today being nationalist and conservative, but also just as much high quality and modern, for it adopting a line admired by all other countries and, of course, for its being a highly respected state.
2014-12-04 23:58:29
Bu güzel yazı için çok teşekkürler. Sonuna kadar okudum ve gerçekten Mustafa Kemal Atatürk ve onun getirmiş olduğu devrimlerin sonuçlarını ve sebeplerini anlatan güzel bir özet olmuş . 1 yıl sonra yazmak nasip olsa da böyle güzel bir özetin altına imzamı atmak istedim.
Couldn't be asked to read that Wall of self-glorification and idol worship, I stopped when you said something along the lines of "turkey is the best example of a Muslim democracy" how about Malaysia and Indonesia ? They are more stable, Malaysia is more developed and Indonesia has a larger economy than turkey. So you're clearly blinded by nationalism with a hint of superiority that's not based on reality. Are you Muslim ?
@@UnknownSend3r
Indonesian are completely unstable
*cough* cebong vs. kampret/kadrun war? *cough*
*cough* #WaronChristmas *cough*
Heck, in Indonesia, simple issue in which we should solve it with common sense, can gone kaput since Indonesian head are amygdala-hijacked
@@UnknownSend3r Never make a generalization. Always pinpoint for the subject and give a reference because we live in a world of relativity. For example: For 2022, In terms of Military Strenght, Türkiye ranked 13 of 142 out of the countries considered for the annual GFP review. It holds a PwrIndx score of 0.1961 (a score of 0.0000 is considered 'perfect'). This entry last updated on 05/02/2022. Just a reminder: There is no a country named Turkey. It is called as Türkiye. Have a great day.
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❤️ MUSTAFA KEMAL ATATURK ❤️
If Atatürk had wanted to, he would have directly entered the prime ministerial elections and would have won each election with 80-90 percent of the votes. Because he was the savior and founding leader of Turkey. At least 80% of the public admired him. They loved and respected a lot. Today, at least 70%-80% of Turkey loves and respects Atatürk. And Atatürk was elected president with the support of 99% of the deputies of the national assembly elected by the people.
It was the Prime Minister and his ministers who actually ruled the country in internal affairs. Atatürk was more interested in foreign affairs and economic and cultural breakthroughs, leading the government and the people in these areas.
The Ottomans never invested in Anatolia for hundreds of years and always excluded those of the Turkish race and always massacred them.
Almost everything that was established in Turkey was done thanks to Atatürk.
From giving women the right to vote, to the rights of children and animals.
Atatürk, the first leader who thought of everything that should be in a modern country and tried to implement it in the whole country, in short, the economy, agriculture, agriculture, animal husbandry, medicine, health, education, art, history, clothing that facilitates daily life, the alphabet, units of measurement, army and police organization. 'was. Before that, there was no such leader on Turkish soil.
The Ottoman Sultans only invested in the European side of Istanbul and the Balkans.
Women had no rights. In other words, half of the country had no rights!
Greeks, Armenians and Kurds have always had better living conditions than the Turks. By the way, Turks were formerly called Turkmen as a race. Turk, on the other hand, was the general name of everyone living in the Ottoman lands.
And Atatürk never liked the Union and Progress Party. They also did not like Atatürk and they always organized assassinations and always tried to prevent it. Especially Enver, Talat and Celal Pashas...
By the way:
People always look at the word Dictator negatively, but they use words like King, Queen, Princess, Prince, Sultan, Shah, Tsar as praise. However, in history, Kings, Queens, Princes were always more cruel.
Even the worst Dictator often became a leader by military success or was elected.
There was no bloodline, no royal blood nonsense, inherited from their fathers. And not every dictator was bad. Dictator literally means dictator.
Those who dictate good things are called Good Dictators.
Leaders like Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Stalin, and Mao who dictate bad things are called bad dictators.
But after evil dictators like Hitler, the word dictator was used negatively all over the world. Words such as King and Queen, which were seen as negative before, started to be used in a positive sense due to the magazine royal weddings of the British and with the influence of movies and TV series.
gördük öyle hemen demokrasiye geçmenin acısını
Evet bence de 1945 te değil de 1960 larda çok partili sisteme geçseydik daha iyi olurdu.
Ne gördün, biraz anlatsana?
@@mehmetcosgun1651 muhtemelen İslamcılık ayağına Kürt isyanı çıkaran dedelerini yağlı urganla astı Atatürk
@@mehmetcosgun1651 ilk geçiş denemesinde kürtler azdı ikincisinde başa amerikan yalaması menderes geldi
@@mehmetcosgun1651 fetullahci terorist ve pkk ya yardim eden partileri gorduk.
Regarding the noted feelings of humiliation by the Islamic world, especially in countries which have been at the short end of the stick for some time now: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_(sociological_concept)
Nikita Khrushchev, was a benevolent dictator, and because of him, the berlin wall fell, and so did the soviet union... From these wise, thoughtful, and considerate people, freedom will eventually come. They know, that after their time is over, the only humane, moral and ethical choice is to let all have a say so, and let people be free to choose for themselves.
you mean gorbachev
If one day, my words are against science, choose science."
Mustafa Kemal Atatürk
Cenk kadar boş bir adam olamaz.
Srilcvrt
Bana mı dedin lan? :D
amk herifi sıkılmadan aynı espriyi üç defa yapmışsın. rezil insan
IT SEEM THAT WAY FROM THIS RESPONSES
cenk kim la
@@emo15461 cenk kim
@0:55 , like u helped Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Palestine,?? To the Korean watching this video, don't fall for that trap,, whenever USA offers it's hand for friendship,chop it off,,
İf my words contradict with the sxience in the future, then choose the science.
- Ataturk
As long as dictator serves his country fairly. What is the problem. Look at he democracy in U. S, either you vote for crazy trump or sleepy Joe. That is not fair too for the voters.
Arap baharindan bahserdeken onlar arap degil Turklerden konusuyoruz demesini beklerdim.
ne diyosun?
konuyu çok yanlış anlamışsın. zaten orada arap baharının ne kadar ülkelere zarar verdiğini ve eğer cidden demokrasiye geçilmek isteniyorsa bunun bu kadar kısa sürede olamayacağı söylenmiş. arap baharı geçti gitti, peki bu ülkeler demokrasiye kavuştu mu? yok. üstelik bu ülkelerin çoğunluğu eski hâllerinden daha beterler, terörizm çoğaldı, radikalizm çoğaldı ama demokrasi kısmına gelirsek en küçük bir gelişme bile kaydedilemedi. işte burada da genel konu atatürk’ün hilafetten laikliğe ve demokrasiye geçişi nasıl bu kadar düzgün yürüttüğü. birden demokrasiye geçilseydi onun benimsediği ideallerin hepsinin çöpe gideceğini atatürk de biliyordu.
Gulf states succeeded in Turkey as well and at least one third is really radicalized nowadays, determined to end up in hell right in this world and give up their country to arab immigrants, such an awful ending for the only successful attempt by a muslim country to redeem itself from the dark ages🙁
Well they are not Turks . They cant do same as we do . Turkey did it . Azerbaijan and Kazakhistan doing . But they are turkic there is difference between cultures.
What about Malaysia Singapore and South Korea they've done it much better than turkey has, and what exactly has Atatürk done that warrants such worship of him ? Because that's what this is no matter how you slice it.
@@UnknownSend3r singapore and south korea yeah but Malaysia? ı doubt it
Atatürk is clearly underrated , he should be more renowned for his great works that teachs the humanity Muslim countries can also be transformed into secular shapes.
I am having a very difficult time trying to see through the irony of a discussion about the good work of a benevolent dictator's efforts on behalf of a previously backwater Muslim country at the same time and in the same country that a not so benevolent would be dictator's efforts to undo that work in the name of all that "Islam is meant to be ". Wow, talk about polar opposites in just about every way except perhaps method. Well actually history seems to show that the first dictator moved away from Islam whereas the 2nd would be dictator is moving closer to Islam, but i'm sure that is not relevant information.
As a graduate in international relations Turkey and Middle East as my major, what I can tell you is that any average Westerner has zero understanding of the Middle East and Turkey. Just look at this video: the Westerners learn issues that are related to Geo-Politics, anthropology, political science, history, religious studies, terrorism, global strategy... from a Neuroscientist. We are living in a retarded world, really. Just a simple question: would this guy be talking about these issues if the main export of the Middle Eastern countries was potato instead of oil?
@@UighurKnight ofcourse he wouldn't, it's so shocking how they talk like experts in a field they have no formal training in , this Stanford educated neuroscientist gets invited to talk about religion more so than what he actually studied, what that tells me is that they don't care for the credibility of his assertions but for his open opposition to Muslims and Islam. They spoke with such a dangerous mix of arrogance and ignorance.
Cenk mentioned that how the Turkish education system "litterally" programs them to be secular, but not a peep, because indoctrination as long as it's void of religious dogma is good, hypocrisy on 9000. And then the guest says he wants the 18 month old to grow to learn science and physic, when majority of the greatest European scientists of the 20th century believed in god. Just because you're educated doesn't necessarily mean you are intelligent (relatively speaking)
Cenk made his Homework. Context is King.
Mubarak was sort of a benevolent dictator, without the transition part. The kings of Jordan and Morocco? I guess.
I guess the difference is that Ataturk left a democratic system after his death for future of Turkey.
@@hakanserkan1763 Indeed, he’s like George Washington if the U.S had zero experience in self-government. Ataturk was a magnificent leader.
@@mlgerab I guess being Benevolent dictator is easy. It is hard to maintain it without personal interest. I dont think, George Washington or Ataturk never focus on their own interest. However, the current leaders always focus on their own future instead of their countries’.
@@hakanserkan1763 well but that’s almost everyone everywhere, man is self-interested. That’s why we have Constitutions and the rule of law. And that’s what makes Ataturk so special. I have to disagree that being a benevolent dictator and is easy. Getting unlimited power, maintaining it and keeping people from taking you down while still being benevolent is mind bogglingly difficult.
YANLIŞ ÇEVİRİ! 1:45 "Dictator" demiyor, "Benivelot Dictator" diyor yani "Yararlı Dictatör"dü diyor. İkisi farklı.
"...but he was also _a bit of a_ dictator."
@ Biraz diktatör zaten yararlı diktatör ile aynı şey.
Demagogue vs Ben Harris, who dont the demagogue know he is one? He ofc knows, the thinks the majority is stupid; sadly they are mostly correct.
‘Turkish democracy today’ loooooool
I think it is not working very well nowadays in turkey because of corrupt government but belive soon everything will change in positive way
06:24 adam
07:59 boom. You rosted
Yes Ataturk was great, we love him as turks but lets get the facts straight, ottoman empire was mingling with the idea of democracy from 1700's it even had a colony state in north africa that was runned by a republic goverment, and last 200 - 100 years of ottoman empire there was even a congress/parlemento quite like britan...
Ataturk is no dictator.
He was a dictator because he had an absolute power. Dictatorship doesn't always have to be bad. Some dictators are good like Ataturk and Lee Kuan Yew.
How was he dictator ? For example ? What did he do ?
@@user-sy1ei5mn2l He didnt have absolute power.
He could have been replaced by elections and he had to get the votes of the council first to make a new law.
He was a great leader
Not many benevolent dictators across history? Julius Caesar and Augustus
Neither of those could be said to be benevolent, as far as Roman history goes, Marcus Aurelius and Cincinatus could fit that bill.
Garibaldi mate.
Why they talk about Atatürk ?
Because there is no other leader in the history of the world as great as Atatürk. He is the one the only... th-cam.com/video/ZmgeR-ooLvY/w-d-xo.html
Are you all unaware that ataturk was intolerant of the Kurds, the indigenous people?
Chenk shouldn't get into debates with intelligent people. It highlights his lack of intelligence.
Sam Harris can learn to sit properly and have some manners , no class whatsoever. Good one mate
There can be no such thing as a benevolent dictator. What determines whether a dictator is evil or not is not whether he persecutes or not.
A dictator is someone who imposes his/her ideals on the people or forces them to live according to these ideals. (whether these ideals are good or not is always relative)
This cannot be considered "benevolent" no matter what the motivation is. It is a violation of the most fundamental freedom: Freedom of opinion and expression.
In Turkey you have to be a Kemalist otherwise you are considered a traitor or a lunatic in the eyes of the government.
Anyone who says that they do not like or support Atatürk openly, cannot work in the public sector.
If you insult Atatürk on social media, press etc. you will be imprisoned according to Law No. 5816.
DICTATORS ARE BAD, STOP BEING RIDICULOUS!
you are so fucking dumb sorry,if he is an evil men why he argued or changed his mind in the parliment then?
he didn't created the law for himself to protect him. menderes did.
no you can still work many of them insult and still working you can search it for your own.
you don't have to say anything if you are this dumb and ignorant.
Crikey, we're got ourselves a Neocon here. Why not just leave North Korea alone?
Sam Harris çok doğru konuşmuş ama Cenk biraz gereksiz savunmaya geçmiş. Ben bu Sam'i araştırayım bilgili bir abiye benziyor
o asla milletine zorla bir şey yaptırmadı iyi biriydi ama kesinlikle diktatör değil
Hanqover cok cahilsin Atatürk hayatı boyunca kaç seçime gitmiş bir bak
evet bir diktatördü ve olmasaydı bu vatanı kurtaramazdı
Atatürk was not an dictator,he was an authoritarian president.Difference between an dictator and him that he was chosen with votes,he could be replaced with votes,there can be opposition to him and he has to get the votes of the council first to make a new law.None of these could happen in an dictators regime.
I oppose authoritary government but this was different,to bring democracy to a country you should first make people understand it.
A election in Pakistan and Denmark wouldnt be same because one side knows human rights and understands democracy.But the other is raised with extreme islamism and authorian government knowledge.
For making Turkland secular and away from this sick thing called "religion" he made country "Laik" a law that came from France.Freedom of religion and beiliefs.If he forced secularism than it wouldnt work because forcing something makes it worst.
Look at Eastern Europe.Soviets tried to force atheism but that didnt worked,it made them more religious.And they are most religious countries in Europe (Romania,Poland....) with exceptions like East Germany and Czechia.
Forcing Religion doesnt work too.Look at Modern Turkland,10 years ago 95% of the country were secular muslim,turks were doing every anti-islam thing except eating pork.
The Erdogan government tried to force islam and now 40% of turks are openly atheist or deist.
And nationalism,
Ataturk was a civil and democratic man,he hated war if it wasnt necessary for the defense of your country.
He understanded nationalism as a anti imperialist free nation.
90% of turks didnt knew how to write or read.
And the turkish language was 60% arab or persian origin.
Ataturk wanted to erase islamic and arab effect of the country so he made alphabet arabic to latin.A alphabet similar to ancient turkic alphabet.He wasnt able to use the ancient turkic alphabet because of the new letters in Anatolian Turkish.
He made the language 80% old turkic origin,10% persian origin,5% arabic origin and 5% french origin.
If there was an election between a democratic socialist leader who wanted peace and human rights and a extremist islamic dictator who wanted all the non-muslim to die,would the results be same in Afganistan and Sweden?
To make a perfect Utopia,you first have to make people understand it.
Ataturk did it perfectly,unfortunatly because of his succesor in Republican Peoples Party,things went really wrong because he tried to be a dictator and bringed islamic traditions for the older generations vote.
He was not a dictator and a dictatorship is everything he stands against for.
Democracy isnt always right and you can easily see that because democracy always results different in each country.
Hitler was chosen by people,so do you think he should have kept his chair?
If no,then you dont support democracy.
True Sam is talking from his backside he doesn’t know a thing about Turkish history or Ataturk.
There cannot be a fair historical talk with an American and a Turkish guy. Sorry, but they always share the same superficial knowledge about world and history.
Democracy is not the best solution in the world, it contains an very ancient human error: ignorancy. Ignorant people has the same voting rights. And America has to deal with their elected dictator now. i think it's stupid because if you are not a doctor, you are not allowed to have the same right to speak as experts in the operating room. Same thing on country management!
Dictatorship is not good, democracy is not that much good too. As W. Churcill said "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time".
Yes this guy doesn't know all the facts this was embarrasing for me because he didnt know Atatürk and Sam actually know him better because he was infact a benevolent dictator.Be
you are right bro! fuck democracy!
@@atakuruoglu please explain how he was a benevolent dictator ? What did he do that made turkey so great ? What's wrong with you people, you were an empire and became a country. Hitler done more for the Germans then Atatürk did for Turks, but since Hitler has left a bad taste in people's mouth that can't be mentioned. Atatürk was a man suffering from sever insecurity issues,the culture of his people was seen as inferior in his eyes and for them to be better they had to follow western values. "There's cultures and traditions but the only civisulation is western civilization" does that no scream insecure with an inferiority complex to you ? Was he that stupid
@@UnknownSend3r You would think that if your only information about Atatürk is from mainstream media.He arranged commitees,universities to research great Turkic history and they did.There are many research that proves many great civilizations were build by Turks.Later all the information gathered by commitees and respectable historians over world created 4 books for high schools.3 years after his death those books were banned.You clearly have no idea of real Atatürk if you think he is insecure about his culture... Our culture is systematically destroyed and he was the first person after hundreds of years to go againts humiliation of Turk culture.He loved his culture and heritage more than anyone he spent his whole life after the war researching Turkic history.He was the ultimate Turk.It's sad that media has so much power they can give completely wrong information and people don't have enough time for research for themselves,they'll believe what they see because its constantly repeating.I don't blame you tho majority of our people still thinks like you.I remember my first history lesson in college,teacher starts the lesson with telling how Atatürk was a great leader because he accepted westernization.Still took me 4 months to realize colleges are not about real information its about molding your mind and giving you a job on the side.There is a lot of black propaganda about Atatürk because they don't want you to know him.Its especially hard to get true information if you don't know Turkish.
@@atakuruoglu what are you on about ? The mainstream media loves him. I can't even be asked to read the rest of it.
That is a fancy argument that calls Ataturk a benevolent dictator. One should ask, from whose perspective? His opponents, Refet Bele, Kazim Karabekir, and Ali Fuat Cebesoy, said about him that he has dictatorial behaviours. None of them said he was a benevolent dictator. Every naive secular Turk bought the argument that he was the only one who saved and built the country; that is why they almost worship him. Can one imagine only Ataturk is intelligent, every other commander is ignorant, stupid, or Turkish bureaucrats are incapable of new reforms? Only Ataturk knows what to do, how to do it? This is childish and belittling the last 100 years of Ottoman modernization attempts!
He was a dictator because he did not allow any opposition political movement in the new republic. He closed the opponent party(TCF) journals(Son Telgraf in Izmir and more); he fired opponent intellectual figures from the university in the name of 1933 university reform.
None of the ignorant people knew about those, including Sam Harris. The innocent Sam has no idea who Ataturk is or his political moves. Ataturk believed in secularism, and no educated person denies this, but silencing and suppressing political figures made him a dictator. The dictator is a dictator, it's elementary. As we cheer him and his behaviours, we also cheer dictatorial behaviours. If we want to build a stable democracy in anywhere, we should critique those who acted dictatorial so that won’t be pattern.
There is no wrong to be a dictator. A dictator is only a ruler with an absolute power.
It is just that, most dictators in history are bad so there goes the stereotype.
@@user-sy1ei5mn2l I didn’t discuss whether it is good or bad to be a dictator. Problem with the society is that they don’t think of him as a dictator. They think of him as a saviour but don’t question his mistakes. So today’s society makes the same mistakes again and again. Turkey is not a democratic country because of this.
A hypothetical future guess is that Turkey might be like Yugoslavia one day because of the Turks’ worship of the dictator. Although the CHP leader understands the problem, he is not clever
@@Ismail0z Bro, were the opponents of Ataturk in favour of modern secular democratic Turkish republic or not? I have heard from turkologist that his dictatorship required otherwise Turkiye right now would have been an Islamic republic run by theocratic Islamic regime like that of Iran.Ataturk was convinced that he is the only man who can transform the society into a modern secular westernised democratic society otherwise Islamist can any time overthrow the government & would turn into an Islamic theocratic society that'why he dictated until his last breath.I also think that Ataturk dictatorship was right otherwise Turkiye right now would have been similar to Islamic republic of Iran or Pakistan.If i am wrong kindly educate me.
@@Ismail0z Bro,I agree with you Ataturk's legacy should be questioned & critised as no personal or system in this world is perfect having no flaws Turkiye should repeal their constitutional law which prohibits questioning or criticising Ataturk but it would be better if modern secular democratic government will do so & not theocratic dictatorial Islamic regime like that of Erdogan.Irony is that those who wants to criticize majority of them are backward Islamist who wants to alter modern secular westernised society into a backward Islamic society like that of Iran that's why Kemalist believe that the cult of Ataturk is required & any change in this will be an assault on national identity.
@@indianstorm7366 realize that when you mentioned Kemalist, you used it as national identity. Kemalist people are a part of the group in the country they aren’t the majority. Their belief isn’t a national identity.
Secondly Erdoğan’s government isn’t theocratic dictatorial like in Arabia or Iran. What he does is taxing alcohol astonishingly or organize new religious high schools; however, none of these could make his government a dictatorial theocratic. He has dictatorial behaviours bc of Ataturk. He doesn’t need to be even better democratic bc of his opponent, Ataturk is a dictator, and the majority don’t want to critique at this point so he is delighted.
The change will start with yourself, and your belief. If you want a change in your country you have to change
Ataturk is kim yong lol
Stop talking nonsense stupid guy
KENAN EVREN OLMASIN !! JÖN TÜRK KARDİŞ..
SAM BABA TAŞAKLARIN EKRANA SIĞMIYORR
This guy is a joke. Why would you even invite someone who has no respect for other peoples beliefs and cultures. Enough is enough with people who are trashing religions. As a person who is interested in creating peace in the world I dislike seeing people who think they can preach peace and disrespecting people at the same time.
Sapina kadar hakli. İslamin aklanacak bir yani yok
Ortacag artigi bir col hikayesinden baska birsey degil
Göte göt denmiş hazal hanım.
1.Mustafa Kemal is not the ancestor of the Turks, it is a nickname attached to him or a game of the English who authorized him in the dictatorship regime. The ancestor of the Turks was Oguz Khan, who was not as soft as you mentioned, but as dictatorial as Franco. After a coup against his own state, he was murderous enough to brutally impose and execute those who wanted to preserve their cultural customs and customs, like westerners. You two will count your till morning, but let people down as you believ
Bu kadar yabancı insan önemini anlayip överken senin gibileri görmek utanç verici
says son of hijabi
In the Qur'an Nisa 140 Allah orders muslims to turn the other cheek when they witness Islam being insulted. Gathering up organising protests shouting Allahuakbar and killing innocents are a sin. You are not allowed to be triggered and feel humiliated. God is telling you to not get offended but you are so far from it because you haven't even read the Qur'an once yet but you call yourself a muslim. Shame on you
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Ata Turk had all the power he was dictator
Nope. If Atatürk had wanted to, he would have directly entered the prime ministerial elections and would have won each election with 80-90 percent of the votes. Because he was the savior and founding leader of Turkey. At least 80% of the public admired him. They loved and respected a lot.
Today, at least 70%-80% of Turkey loves and respects Atatürk.
And Atatürk was elected president with the support of 99% of the deputies of the national assembly elected by the people. It was the Prime Minister and his ministers who actually ruled the country in internal affairs. Atatürk was more interested in foreign affairs and economic and cultural breakthroughs, leading the government and the people in these areas. The Ottomans never invested in Anatolia for hundreds of years and always excluded those of the Turkish race and always massacred them. Almost everything that was established in Turkey was done thanks to Atatürk. From giving women the right to vote, to the rights of children and animals. Atatürk, the first leader who thought of everything that should be in a modern country and tried to implement it in the whole country, in short, the economy, agriculture, agriculture, animal husbandry, medicine, health, education, art, history, clothing that facilitates daily life, the alphabet, units of measurement, army and police organization. 'was. Before that, there was no such leader on Turkish soil. The Ottoman Sultans only invested in the European side of Istanbul and the Balkans. Women had no rights. In other words, half of the country had no rights! Greeks, Armenians and Kurds have always had better living conditions than the Turks. By the way, Turks were formerly called Turkmen as a race. Turk, on the other hand, was the general name of everyone living in the Ottoman lands.
And Atatürk never liked the Union and Progress Party. They also did not like Atatürk and they always organized assassinations and always tried to prevent it. Especially Enver, Talat and Celal Pashas.
By the way:
People always look at the word Dictator negatively, but they use words like King, Queen, Princess, Prince, Sultan, Shah, Tsar as praise. However, in history, Kings, Queens, Princes were always more cruel. Even the worst Dictator often became a leader by military success or was elected. There was no bloodline, no royal blood nonsense, inherited from their fathers. And not every dictator was bad. Dictator literally means dictator. Those who dictate good things are called Good Dictators. People like Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Stalin, and Mao who dictate bad things are called bad dictators. But after evil dictators like Hitler, the word dictator was used negatively all over the world. Words such as King and Queen, which were seen as negative before, started to be used in a positive sense due to the magazine royal weddings of the British and with the influence of movies and TV series.
Hadi arapların yaptıklarını tüm islama yükleyelim adlı program
dictator nothing more
Ata is a dictator
Salute to Kemal Atatürk from India....Atatürk is my role model and we Indians love him.
There's a street named after Kemal Atatürk in New Delhi next to Prime Minister's house.
Ghandi supported ataturk in response against Britain divide and rule