Draymond is a bully, you dont see him doing that to any other big tough guys. That fake flail was embarrasing to the league, plain and simple. Hes a clown.
Sometimes Shaq has dumb takes. The "he needs help" angle is solely for the league to justify not kicking him out for the BS he's pulling on the court. They're doing him a favor.
Draymond has been on some BS with a lot of these incidents but I don't think the league has ever thought of kicking him out. He deserves a suspension and he got one , we move on. I also am not a fan of the " he needs help" take but more so because i think it makes it seem like he's seriously mentally unstable which he clearly isn't. I do understand that these people on tv have way more access to info about him and his team so they could be suggesting he needs helps based on details the public doesn't know.
Shaq is just flat out wrong with this take. He's kicked multiple people in the nuts. He's pushing on having the most ejection in NBA history. He is not helping his team he's hurting his team.
He's not helping the team at this point, no. But he's always been skating the line, now his skills are declining and he's starting to cross it to compensate. He hasn't become mentally ill.
Never accept anything in a win you won’t accept in a loss. When they were the favorites it wasn’t an issue and they tried to justify it and defend him and now that they aren’t it’s an issue and they’re throwing him under the bus
Shaq came from an era where this wasn’t even an ejectable offense, much less a suspension. Shaq is not “wrong” but Draymond SHOULD adapt to this softer NBA if he cares about the team. Draymond’s behavior has arguably cost the team multiple rings at this point.
Its equally easy to believe that draymond cost the franchise championships with this style of play as much as he contributed to the ones we got with the same style of play. I doubt he’d have the same defensive impact if he dint play with a sense of urgency thats tightroping that line of max instinct and too much
@@noehenson8135Check out the brilliant analysis by Shaq on getting gas for your car. Look, the man is a court jester, anything other than entertainment is a big no for me.
Shaq has totally missed the point. Draymond was not suspended for his off court behavior. It was for his behavior on the court. Therefore, due to his consistency of reckless on-court behavior, the league took a decision to suspend him with a view of getting him necessary coundeling.
You need to learn how to spell the word 'you're'. And no. This is a repeated occurrence between Draymond and his own team, Draymond and other teams, etcetera.@@wabbbbaaaaaafeeettt9160
Shaq wasn't talking about the suspension though, he's speaking to the counseling narrative specifically. I do think Shaq is ignorant on this take, not that part though.
Everyone is missing what Shaq is so upset about; it's the implication that there is a mental health problem. If that was the case half the players in the 90's would be considered mentally ill. There's no excuse for choking another player but Shaq's point was that the chocking was part of an altercation while defending a teammate and not done while making a play. Still the game is different now and I agree with Kenny about the behavior hurting the team. Then there's Charles acting like he's never gone too far because choking and punching is what he considers an a$$ault when I consider his spitting on someone was an a$$ault too. He never did that again but he shouldn't pretend he never went too far himself.
It's funny because Shaq is the epitome of a man who needs a ton of counselling and therapy, because he seems to linger a lot of insecurities and agressive behaviour, often threatening Chuck to punch him in the face when Chuck teases him, while he's been out there teasing and bullying everybody like Rudy or Javale McGee. No wonder why he feels triggered by that "counselling" word lol counselling or therapy doesn't mean you're crazy or have a psychiatric issue...
Fr dude blew his chances of the being the goat going back n fourth with a kid half his size cus of arrogance and ego he even admitted it himself he has alot of regret built up
@@tinti7chuck isn’t confused or forgotten. Chuck has repeatedly admitted that every time he did something like that in his career he was wrong. If you can’t pay attention to what chuck has said then don’t talk about him
@@tinti7 Chuck was a very clean player actually. He played tough, but he rarely played dirty. His worst antics was spitting on a fan. Yes he punched Laimbeer. But pro tip: half the league punched Laimbeer at some point or another. And he and Ewing got in a scuff, which was entirely instigated by Ewing and Barkley only defended himself and didn't "go after" Ewing at all. Ewing body checked him like he was wearing hockey skates (illegal screen), Chuck tossed him out of the way so he could play defense - which is what you do when you get hit by an illegal screen that doesn't get called - and then Ewing was butthurt and had to man-up to make up for just getting rag-dolled by someone 5 inches smaller. And so Chuck rag-dolled him again. No punches, no assaults. Just a good hard shove. And that's pretty much it for actual scuffs or questionable on-court antics for Chuck.
He repeatedly said in this conversation that he never did those things, which led me to believe he sounds like he forgot about his rep or just wanted to make a point that Dray has been stepping over the line with his actions like he has done once. And I can talk about chucky whenever I want unless you want to see some furniture move in this place.
Shaq, take a beat to ask yourself if anyone in any professional setting deserves to feel worried about being assaulted at their job. This is needlessly dangerous
Bad take from Shaq. Just because it was accepted for years doesn't mean he didn't need counseling in the past. Talk about ignoring the check engine light.
Most effective way to deal with this is use his logic against him, my son was shitting his pants every day for years as a baby how come now he's 17 is it a problem
Shaq promoting the perception a lot of black people have that getting therapy means “you need help”instead of therapy being something that helps in general.
Agreed, counseling isn't a sign that you're not a capable adult, in this case it means he needs to take the time to get to the root of his actions and the counselor's job is to guide him on that journey
@@kidkouga92 It's like a NBA player going to train with Hakeem or someone in the offseason, doesn't mean their game needs help or is a problem, it just means they want to see if their game can grow in ways they didn't realize it could.
@@radicalmatamune Especially when they talk about so many real issues on this show. They always are mature and honest when it comes to gun violence, racism, domestic abuse, etc. To then turn around and say therapy is bad, is such a archaic take. I hope someone like Demar Derozan or Kevin Love who have been very outspoken about mental health counters this take.
well, the choke was for his teammates, although in our eyes it looked like gorbert didnt do anything to klay, you never know what draymond had in mind. He did that because he thought gobert was going to hurt klay, so he choked him. The punch wasnt even intentional. Just like shaq said, "The only problem was that draymond stuck his hands out. "
@@dat_guy1803 Nobody is going to hurt Klay, especially Gobert, we all know that. It's basketball, choking has no place on a court, that's just a poor excuse. Dude has a highlight reel of violent behaviour on the court + he punched Jordan Poole while it wasn't in-game context. Stop looking for excuses.
When Shaq talks about his career, he gets tougher and tougher as the years go by. I'm the same age and watched his whole career. He was a jokester in Orlando, almost child-like. It was to the point where i thought if he ever took it seriously he could've won 8 or 9 rings.
He's literally directly responsible for 1 of the 3 Three Peats in League History. Kobe was not the main man on that team, it was Shaq, and then when they split up remember there was a big ol' thing abt who's gonna be the first to win another, and it was Shaq. I agree that he can be arrogant and it can be a little irritating at times but he has absolutely every right to talk the way he does, even if we all don't agree with him.
I don't always agree with Shaq but I can always respect his opinion... not on this one. I can't respect an opinion that says it's ok for a player to hit another player. Frankly I can't believe this even needs saying. In such a competitive environment with so many alpha personalities, that sort of thing can only escalate until someone gets hurt and you get players targeting and injuring stars, and ending careers.
@Blballerboy most players who are known to be violent on the court usually don't get the contracts or trades they desire. It may not end but you sure won't get what you want beyond whether it's in or out of the team. GMs and higher look at that stuff closely. It's just facts at the end of the day. Lol
You're right, outside of a league intervention like what they've done with Green, there would be massive retaliation and escalation. Imagine young players trying to seriously injure or even end other young players' careers just to not "be soft" as Shaq puts it. He's just wrong, this is not a part of the game
Two things can be true Shaq. Draymond can be a good man and he can also need some help dealing with something in his life. Needing therapy doesn’t mean you’re a bad person
@pearl0818 from what I know and see, he's good friend with most of the players off the court and all their kids love him. Even Lebron who he's punched and kicked a good amount of times is one of his best friends
I have rarely disagreed so strongly with Shaq. And I'm a Warriors fan. But there is simply no room in basketball for what Draymond is doing. Yes he needs counseling. Shaq has completely missed the boat this time.
I think one key component of his point is this kind of on court behaviour has been in the league for a long time. The problem is instead of it being random one off acts Draymond is doing it for the whole league now 🤣
shaq is embarrassing and dead wrong here. he needs to stop downplaying draymond's violence. chuck and kenny are correct. shaq is doing TNT a disservice and making himself look like a fool.
Shaq was babied, especially after he became Fat Shaq in LAL, by the refs, so he thinks acting that way is normal. Theres a major difference between being a Rodman type antagonist & good defender; and being a Bill Laimbeer type who just plays dirty for lack of skill and/or speed.
Shaq does have a point. Because he's saying that off the court, he's a nice guy. But here's one good point that Chuck nor Kenny brought up when it comes to "off the court." The Jordan Poole thing technically wasn't on the court but during practice LOL. What's the defense on that? Draymond shouldn't be doing stuff like this in the public eye basically. No clue how counseling is going to fix this. But they literally giving him this option instead of firing him as an NBA player. Because being a player is his job and he shouldn't be doing stuff like this unwarranted.
Shaq is just using this situation to make his Era sound tougher (even if it was). Normally I like Shaq's take but wow, if anyone punches and stomps people at their job, guess what, they're a horrible person.
Damn Shaq smh just because bro has been doing this "for years" doesn't make it ok to keep doing it without proper accountable for his actions. He has gained the reputation for cursing out refs and for attacking players (even his own teammates) unnecessarily. Draymond has absolutely no respect or regard for anyone on the court unless their names are Steph and Klay, and that's a liability in any game.
Which is what needs to be said to him. It's cool he's got steph and klays back, but they would probably benefit a lot more if he stayed on the court and scored a few points. He just needs to tone it down abit, and stop being so wild, especially given he's a grown man, and a vet now.
Shaq ruined the segment and was being a grumpy dickhead. But he didn't mention Jordan Poole-- because it's fucked up to knock out a teammate. This is accountability for that as much as on-court antics. Dray paints outside the lines way too much.
Green has been a "physical" player, but the Warriors put up with it when they were winning. Now, they're losing and his physical play is also escalating. You can't point to a time during the Warriors run that he actually punched someone intentionally or not (unless you count Poole).
@@purplepill2024 OF COURSE we should count Poole! He also kicked multiple guys in the nuts. He has always gone OUTSIDE the rules to gain an edge. The idea that he is only now flipping out is untrue.
I think what shaq is trying to say draymond doesn't need counciling because he knows what he is doing and has been. Shaq is trying to say if draymond needs counciling so does shaq and everyone who played in the 80s to early 2010
Draymond knows exactly what he's doing. I agree, he doesn't need counseling, flat out suspend him for the rest of the season, with no pay, or kick him out, altogether. I guarantee, if the NBA would take a hard line with just 1 guy, and prove they are serious, everybody else would straighten up. Too much money to lose, for these guys.
@@crypto_que It's, yet another free pass, for a guy that's already gotten away with too much. Bypass this enabling step, and get serious about how you want your employees/ players to conduct themselves. Season long suspension, or better yet, ban him from the NBA. Make an example of him, and watch others behavior improve instantly.
Shaq’s too stubborn and missing the point. His behavior could injure another player, it’s unacceptable in the game. If you don’t like that he’s being required to take counseling, just suspend him for the rest of the year.
Shaq be having illogical takes sometimes. Nothing he said makes sense. If dray been doing it 4 or 5 years then he needs to figure out what is triggering that response so it can stop. Otherwise people will keep getting hurt unnecessarily
He is mad because people are too damn sensitive and are judging Draymonds character because the cry baby got slapped due to him not seeing Draymond turning around. I stand by Shaq on this.
Draymond literally punched a teammate, stomped/jumped on someone like he's Super Mario, chocked someone who was trying to break up a fight, and slapped someone for doing literally nothing, all within one year. If that's not a sign that he needs counseling, idk what is.
@@Ayyeeeooo Saying that's soft says more abt you than anyone else, this isn't the MMA. Physicality is fine but what in the name of Christ does stomping someone out have to do with Basketball?
Since Shaq doesn't think counselling is the solution, I wish they had asked him what his solution to Draymond's problem is, because something is clearly wrong.
What is "clearly wrong" is his inability to play the enforcer role in a more effective way. To play dirty is part of the game, anything goes to win, hell, even KAJ trowed sneaky elbows at the ribs of his opponents. Artest had his ups and downs, was able to disguise it (the right way to play), but sometimes he was too blatant. This narrative that Draymond is mentally challenged, he has anger issues, etc.. in the information era, if he is really sick, accusations of domestic violence and similar antics would surface already. But thus far, the guy is clean, no accusations as far as I know. So the current narrative is how Draymond is a menace, he is the new Rodman, blablablabla, but in fact, it's just the NBA media trying to hook people. And it works, look at us talking about this stupidity
The difference from a Draymond strike and a Chuck/Shaq fight is Draymond strikes are mostly unprovoked and reckless. Unpredictability is what is dangerous and scary. Draymond is exhibiting sociopathic behavior.
This is the most insane take from Shaq. He’s usually not this off. Yes. He don’t need counseling for like anger or mental issues but he does need it for his basketball antics
I'll say this , many of these comments seems to be from people that's never played basketball or anyother sport . They've definitely never played against black kids in black neighbourhoods ! I'm 69 years old now , I started playing the game on the asphalt courts of inner city Atlanta , then at an all black high school in the inner-cities at the age of 12 . I was 5ft 7 inches weighed maybe 135 lbs. In order to play you had to either pick a team or be picked to play . And you played against former high school and college players , street dudes , hustlers grown drop outs and they were big tough and showed no mercy . And I was the only kid that they couldn't intimidate or make quit . By the time I was 16 . I was the guy nobody wanted to play against . And during those days every college wanted that type of player . The tough guys , big strong and intimidating. At my age I've watched the game evolve all the way from the playgrounds to the pros .in the 60s , I believe that it was a white coach at Western michigan that went to the inner-cities and recruited black player and they beat adolph Rupp and kentuky for a national championship. College basketball has never been the same since . Next the NBA was dying and on its death bed , in comes the black players and the rest is history ! Within a few years white boys were barely making teams . No 1 they couldn't compete and white ticket buyers finally had something to cheer about . I could go on ! But what's happening to the league today is embarrassing . I mean the plan to make the league atleast 90 percent European is a joke . Soon the only black players in the NBA will be from France or Africa. This is why young black american players are being gradually run out of the league. By hook or crook ! Not so long ago players like Draymond Green were celebrated . The fans went to games to see the shaqs , Berkley, masons okleys , rodmans mahorns malones and Lambeirs etc , etc to beat up on each other. They were allowed to do whatever they wanted never seeing suspensions more than one game . The game was so physical that white boys started running away from the playing the game same as football. They got into sports management , representing black athletes , robbing and stealing them blind . So this attempt to create a European NBA will never last . And it'll need blacks to save it again . Well maybe not because when you look at the ignorance and stupidity of whites today ( the magas ) hell they'll go to watch 10 man made robots play !
he's not defending actions. he said it was a mistake. and he was defending Klay the time before. He's saying hes not crazy off the court as people calling him.
that true. But it's easy to beat that theory as what he did to Jordan Poole was during practice lol. That's SO WRONG to do that to a teammate @@nicolasmun13
Shaq constantly talks over everyone else. His defense is to get loud, cut everyone else off and be aggressive. Charles just got quiet because he knew where this would have went if he truly spoke his mind. We live in a completely different world. You cant do and say things you use to say in the 1800s, 1940s, 1960s, 1980s and even 2000s. And punching and choking people is called assault! Kids don't listen to Shaq!
@@tonyawarner701 we all have an opinion and its nothing wrong with that but don't talk over people. Its how you go abt expressing your opinion or responding to others that get people in tough situations. And never encourage violence in a work environment for sure. But I am definitely not mad☺
One of the funniest moments on the show “It’s supposed to be 1,2,3… not 1,2, back to 1” Then here “don’t interrupt me” then interrupts all session long with the worst take on the situation Hold this L Shaq
Just because he’s been playing this way for years doesn’t mean it’s right. Draymond literally punched a man for no reason and Shaq is saying that’s alright because I have this character on the court I have to play. He’s hurting people and all Shaq is all for it. Way off on this one
Lol. I understand what Shaq was saying, but I think Kenny's take on it was better. There's no issues with him off the court like Ja and Chuck. So its not a 24/7 anger issue. Just his passion for the game when he's playing. So that needs to be dealt with on the coaching side and if Steph is the leader of the Team he needs to be talkin to him too. Like dude you keep getting suspended is not helping us. Keep the aggressiveness, but stop kicking and stomping people in the nuts. I don't like how Chuck got amnesia like he never was punching people in his day.
Totally understand what Shaq& Kenny are saying Draymond does not need Therapy based on what goes on the court but need to tone it down with what he does ,because back in the 60's Thur the 90's this how game was played with most teams having an enforcer,but we live in a time where. Everything is under the Microscope,and like Shaq said he is a good Citizen in the world so suspension is to help him stop playing outside the rules of the game in Present day NBA
Everyone can always work on something and having professionals help you is awesome. Saying you think he needs counselling doesn’t mean you think he’s a bad person or that there is anything wrong with him.
Shaq is identifying with Dray, and like Dray, he is dug in on his image. Shaq is just trying to be right, without doing the job of interpreting this pro basketball situation for the fans, he's just being right. Dray does need a sports phycologist, or at the least some mentorship, he needs to step back from his image, or his image of himself. With all of the competition damaging ejections and suspensions, he obviously needs help with that. Dray is way to smart to keep shooting his team in the foot over and over again, and stabbing his basketball legacy in the back.
Shaq is 💯 percent wrong. In reality we all need counseling. There’s things that happened in our lives that we aren’t aware of and shaq is making it seem like it’s the end of the world seeking someone’s opinion on things that might be hidden. Just because you’re rich and sitting in front of millions doesn’t mean you can’t be better than you are today mentally. That shows shaq is flawed because what draymond is doing has nothing to do with basketball. What shaq did in the 90s had everything to do with him having a championship spirit and getting clocked a million times because no one could stop him. Can’t believe dude said that
Legacy, c'mon now, lol such bullshit. The guy earned 100 million by being a role player in a system, he most likely consider himself a "star", it doesn't help how the team not only overpay, but also protect Draymond. So really, the Warriors are to blame, they fomented his antics. No one pampered Rodman and Artest back in the day, they kept playing because their talent was legit. To play the enforcer role in the current soft era is really tough, any minimal contact will be called a technical foul... and Draymond don't even try to disguise it, he plays dirty right in front of the refs, it's just stupid
Shaq’s right, Draymond just did all those things in accident. If you look closely to that Jordan Poole video, he was actually trying to give Poole a pat on the back.
😅😂🤣 That's on par with Shaq saying it's okay to choke players out or punch them in the face Like Draymond has been having a lot of accidents 🙄 Like attempt to choke out was completely an accident that lasted almost long enough to put him to sleep Like his 360 roundhouse punch Completely an accident because he can't control his body Stomping on a fallen opponent completely an accident You're delusional 🤪
Shaq is 100 percent right, basketball is a game and you play to win. You do what you have to do to win a game, Draymond is not playing for the moment he’s playing for the future, he’s making sure that both him and his teammates are protected not only by their basketball ability but the fear of getting physical. By saying that draymond needs counseling your saying Larry Bird, Zaza, Doctor J, Michael Jordon, Ben Wallace, THE ENTIRE BAD BOY PISTONS, Ron Artest and Kevin Garnett need counseling. All of these players played “dirty” and in case you haven’t noticed, all of these players are NBA champions so their way of play worked.
Counseling or "getting help" infers that there is a mental issue. I don't think he has a mental issue or mental instability. I think he over-exaggerates his actions and thinks he can get away with slapping and kicking people as though its ok.
Shaq is being defensive, maybe he is feeling guilty and insecure. He confessed to being a bully. Might still be one at heart, despite the image he can create with his money and fame off the court, this situation makes him feel uncomfortable. A real shame. The good you do in the world is not a replacement for the damage you do to others.
Shaq the "sheriff" condoning violence and rule breaking. Nice. Plus I grew up watching Shaq take all kinds of sh__t from Rodman and he never "tore off his face."
He's exaggerating... Trying to make himself seem like he played just as dirty as Draymond does. But I don't think he really thought his words through before he spoke
Shaq's anti-counselling stance is ridiculous HOWEVER... Kenny's interpretation of what Shaq said makes sense. Kenny and Ernie are proof that you can be entertaining AND have really thoughtful insights.
What about Jordan Poole? He punched him off the court, so his same actions aren’t just on the court. Even Steve Kerr mentioned that. He definitely needs counseling for his anger!! Shaq is so wrong with this one.
It was a team practice in their facility so its "on the court" as he's technically at work. And you see he seems to know who to go after who no one really steps in to defend. i.e. Poole and Gobert. This means the other teammates didn't like them anyway.
Shaq is sticking up for a friend. If he took the bias out of the way, he would be saying what everyone else is saying about Draymond… or along the same lines
He's not sticking up for a friend, he's sticking up for himself. He knows that's how he used to play, so he gets insecure whenever someone talks bad about it.
Shaq should've been getting suspended back in the day, as well. A lot of guys should've been getting suspended in that era. Malone, Laimbeer, Barkley, Mahorn, Salley, Oakley, Xavier McDaniel. The list goes on
Chuck : You can’t choke people and punch them in the face you can’t do that. Shaq: yes you can… yes you can. WTF.. Shaq is promoting violence. Chuck and Ernie are the soul of this show. Shaq is all noise.
@@ryanmagiera4402 No, Kenny has a particular way of saying it. Chuck knows the game plenty well and when he's not deliberately being an ass, Shaq does too.
Much as I love Shaq, he got this one wrong. There is no defense for what Draymond does on the court all the time. It's nice to know he's not like that when he's off the court. However, something is going on, and it needs to be addressed.
Problem with Shaq is once he makes a statement he will defend it until the end Even when he knows he's in the wrong and the more they try to question him the deeper and louder he gets lol
I don't think Shaq wrong on this take. Imo,the league is to blame for Draymond foolishness. The Warriors organization. It's been clip after clip after clip with Draymond intentionally throwing a foot or arm at other players. If the league had stepped in from around 2015-16and punished him severely,all off this foolishness wouldn't be surfacing.
Terrible take from Shaq. His rebuttal is that he has G-14 clearance so his point is valid. Draymond Green is taking AWAY from the game of basketball with his antics.
@@AtribecalledsuccessYou mentioned tennis, I hope it's a joke & your not upset about most of us who are saying how Shaq made 0 sense in that clip, not to mention so disrespectful to the panel. If you aren't joking about your tennis comment then you're probably in the 4% (4 is being generous) who think he made sense🤔
@@Atribecalledsuccess I watch all sports 🤡. Tennis included. Draymond Greens antics haven’t been basketball related & that’s why the league suspended him indefinitely. Not me from the comment section CLOWN.
shaq was speaking emotionally and kenny helped make the point that needed to be made. only counseling that is necessary is the warriors needing to hold him more accountable. they are the ones enabling his behavior. it cost them 1 championship and a big blemish on a record setting season, a chance to cement a dynasty with kd, and his inability to create chemistry with the younger core guys set them back several years and will push steph out of his chance at another championship window. he's self inflicting the wounds on the organization and it's why they will trade him and blow up the core.
Raja Bell made this point, that Steph needs to sit him down and remind him of his place. I do think that is what is needed more than counseling. It seems that no one that has authority over him is willing to control him. So instead we have to talk around the issue by bringing up counseling etc when that's probably not what is needed, that's where I agree with Shaw. But at the same time it's quite obviously stupid to say it's ok to punch and choke people on a basketball court. It's not OK, he wasn't "just defending a teammate", he looked like he had been waiting for an opportunity to do something like that. He needs to control himself, and he's been enabled, the people who have been enabling him need to stop that and they need to help him control himself.
They might have lost to Lebron in 2016 because of him but they don't get past OKC that year without him either so damned if you do and damned if you don't
I’m glad someone is mentioning the very likely championships he may have cost them. The incident of kicking LeBron, the arguing and belittling of KD help to push him out, the punch to Polle which divided the locker room and had one of their worse seasons. Now this season where is absence is not helping their record or standing. And people are still trying to say keep Draymond over Klay…..I would never. GS hold him accountable!
Hold him accountable? Yes. He cost them chips, the dynasty isn't cemented with 4 in 8 and he set the team back years? No. Ridiculous tbh. I swear people don't actually watch half the teams in the NBA. Jordan Poole was not the future of the warriors. If the green punch- which was messed up and should have been addressed harder- lead to that trade, which it didn't, it took 3 years off the upcoming rebuild. Any years in between, come on, KD is on his 3rd and youngest superteam, he wasn't going to stay lol. That players only meeting would've happened if it was the one thing. The year KD left he missed the whole season, the year after the warriors had Wiseman playing starter minutes and no Klay, and the year after that they won a championship, so what exactly would having an extra 40M contract have done in those three years? Definitely not two championships. People really saying the warriors "only" having 4 rings is because of one person as if any franchise can just win a decade straight if they're good enough, as if there weren't legit reasons for every down year and every big loss, and as if he single handedly choked game 7 in 2016 lol. Just say the guy sucks and move on. A billion dollar industry isn't changing it's life for a whiny player with a podcast
I don’t know where shaq is coming from with his comments about draymond. There is a big difference between playing physical and playing dirty. Clearly, draymond was playing dirty when he punched or hit an opposing player above the shoulder.
When Shaq says you need counseling if you let someone put you in a choke hold is the most disgusting thing I have heard. I'm absolutely sick of this culture of believing that you're not a real man if you don't fight back. I know not everyone thinks like this, but still.
I think you're absolutely right and it is reprehensible to listen to Shaq essentially condone assault and essentially it masculinity. And his only response to disagreement is to attempt to vocally bully his peers.
Shaq is old school…you fight back or you get punked for the rest of your NBA career. Gobert should have pushed Draymond or stood up to him when Draymond finally let him go
@@jujubeatz-mp1rw Shaq is not old school, he is dumb school...always has been... don't pay attention to his views people, idiocracy is just around the corner.
Not easy to say he doesn't have anger issues just because his private life hasn't been exposed to be what is traditionally seen as anger issues (ex: domestic violence, substance abuse, shouting at waiters, etc.). I can see a scenario where basketball is his release for his anger BECAUSE he bottles it up off the court which is a type of anger management issue.
Noooo...It warrants a suspension with enough force to make him pull back on these specific on-court behaviors. It's clear that he has the ability to shut them on and off, because he doesn't have any off court incidents like them. If you give someone enough incentive to change, they will change or they will be gone. Most of the time, said person doesn't need to talk another person to figure out the change either because the consequences will be in their face. It is on the individual to change.
@@GutsBatman I mean for him! I dont agree with anyone being obligated to attend counseling under these circumstances but he needs to learn to chill out. Also, he DOES technically have an off court incident in punching poole. Granted that was on a court but it wasnt in a game and in a casual setting.
@@phamawa What would the counseling actually do? i mean, other than make the NBA look better and proactive instead of us (paying customers, sponsors, etc) taking a much harder look at it for allowing for him to get this far in the first place. This is issue has been created by both Draymond Green and the NBA itself equally. Rasheed Wallace never got to go this far (outside of the incident with Donaghy, which I will grant but we also know what he did) because referees started calling technicals on him for merely looking their direction. NBA officials indulged his behavior and told him it was mostly okay to do so by doing what he'd been doing for most of his career. Him learning self control is something that could be done through a suspension that conveys the message "Hey, stop it!" The counseling is a distraction technique for the NBA.
Shaq's argument here reminded me of the gas tank thing from a few years back. He keeps saying something that is logical, to him, and then keeps repeating it over everyone's objections.
Charles saying you can't joke people out and punch them and Shaq saying yes you can haunt you in the future especially when you have kids that play the same sport.
Yeah, I know that Tyson quote@@mrshaheedmalik but Shaq blaming other players for not hitting back is just an attempt to shift the blame away from Draymond. Draymond is playing basketball, not in a ring. He's repeatedly stepping over the line and needs to stop.
0:40 What Shaq dislikes is the narrative that counselling equates to a mental health problem when he [incorrectly] believes it's just playing hard and being physical. Draymond clearly has anger management issues and whether you call it therapy or counselling, without intervention, he will continue to undermine his own team and sabotage his own legacy.
and even if he didn't have problem like shaq says, at least you still tried. what do you lose by trying out "counselling"? if they find a problem, alright, we can fix it. if their isn't, you can show to people that you've tried it.
Hell, Jordan punched Kerr in practice, most likely he punched others as well, got into fights, etc people forget the NBA remains a competitive environment, even with the player being pampered, the defective rules, etc.. this soft era is pathetic, but these guys are still competing. Remember when KAT and Embiid were throwing real punches at each other? The problem with Draymond is how he is losing awareness about his dirty plays, at first he did it in a disguised way (which is how a enforcer should play the role), but with time he is getting more blatant about it. To play dirty is not a sin, anything goes to win... however, if the enforcer can only commit fouls instead of drawing retaliation, he becomes a dead weight
Shaq you are wrong on this one. Draymind didnt evolove or mature at all in the last years, i understand that his mentality brought him to where he is now but now the same mentality is not helpful anymore and does harm to him. He need counseling and help for sure.
Shaq and Chuck played in the era off Rodman, Ron Artest, Mahorn, Laimbeer when you usually didn't get ejected for hitting someone. When Kurt Rambis was clotheslined by Mchale he just went and shot his free throws and Machale didn't get tossed or even get a tech.
NBA has been paying players like Draymond and Rodman millions for a long ass time. Shaq has a point. If Jordan "The Goat" can use a dirty player to go to the top why can't GSW?
I am so glad these new young players are changing the NBA and the NBA is becoming international with players who have a different mindset about how to play the game of basketball.
Shaq: don’t interrupt me
Also Shaq: interrupts whenever someone else talks
Shaq was actin a fool on this one.
a big hypocrite right?
ya, you can alway spot the person in the wrong when they dont let others speak.
😂😂😂😂😂
Draymond is a bully, you dont see him doing that to any other big tough guys. That fake flail was embarrasing to the league, plain and simple. Hes a clown.
Chuck: "You can't choke people and punch them in the face"
Shaq: "Yes you can" >:(
Puss
😂😂😂
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I guess he is a cop after all
😊😂😂😂
Sometimes Shaq has dumb takes. The "he needs help" angle is solely for the league to justify not kicking him out for the BS he's pulling on the court. They're doing him a favor.
He has more bad takes than good takes
Shaq has also needed counselling all along.
facts.
Sometimes?? 😂
Draymond has been on some BS with a lot of these incidents but I don't think the league has ever thought of kicking him out. He deserves a suspension and he got one , we move on. I also am not a fan of the " he needs help" take but more so because i think it makes it seem like he's seriously mentally unstable which he clearly isn't. I do understand that these people on tv have way more access to info about him and his team so they could be suggesting he needs helps based on details the public doesn't know.
Shaq is just flat out wrong with this take. He's kicked multiple people in the nuts. He's pushing on having the most ejection in NBA history. He is not helping his team he's hurting his team.
He's not helping the team at this point, no. But he's always been skating the line, now his skills are declining and he's starting to cross it to compensate. He hasn't become mentally ill.
Shaq is right.
Never accept anything in a win you won’t accept in a loss. When they were the favorites it wasn’t an issue and they tried to justify it and defend him and now that they aren’t it’s an issue and they’re throwing him under the bus
Shaq came from an era where this wasn’t even an ejectable offense, much less a suspension. Shaq is not “wrong” but Draymond SHOULD adapt to this softer NBA if he cares about the team. Draymond’s behavior has arguably cost the team multiple rings at this point.
Its equally easy to believe that draymond cost the franchise championships with this style of play as much as he contributed to the ones we got with the same style of play. I doubt he’d have the same defensive impact if he dint play with a sense of urgency thats tightroping that line of max instinct and too much
4 minutes in and Shaq hadn't let anyone finish a damn sentence
That's a wow from Shaq. Defending Draymond's action after all we've seen is quite the take.
Worst takes all the time and if Chuck checks him he'll just mention hos ring.
Hes right....he dont need counsellling, but its to embarrass him into changing
This take makes Shaq look dumb . Plain and simple.
Imma defend him ion gaf I’m wit shaq
@@noehenson8135Check out the brilliant analysis by Shaq on getting gas for your car. Look, the man is a court jester, anything other than entertainment is a big no for me.
All due respect. Not everything is about you Shaq.
He has g14 classification
@@johnnytomahawk where's it @?
Narcissistic behavior
@@critdaddysama4656was gonna say this
You can tell Ernie is in total disagreement with Shaq. Draymond should be a better role model. He's crazier than Ron Artest at this point.
Chuck seriously staring at Shaq while talking about not punching people in the face and mma was hilarious
Chuck literally threw a fan through a window
Yeah i was like "really chuck?" They even showed those videos of chuck punching people in this show 😂
Exactly Charles is just as worst of an actor as Draymond talking about he ain’t punch nobody.
@@peterstark4562but was it in the face???
@@paulevans6066when he was being harassed in a bar lol what's your point?
Shaq has totally missed the point. Draymond was not suspended for his off court behavior. It was for his behavior on the court. Therefore, due to his consistency of reckless on-court behavior, the league took a decision to suspend him with a view of getting him necessary coundeling.
Your soft is the point
You need to learn how to spell the word 'you're'. And no. This is a repeated occurrence between Draymond and his own team, Draymond and other teams, etcetera.@@wabbbbaaaaaafeeettt9160
Shaq wasn't talking about the suspension though, he's speaking to the counseling narrative specifically. I do think Shaq is ignorant on this take, not that part though.
@@wabbbbaaaaaafeeettt9160 his soft what? All that hardness is getting to your head
Everyone is missing what Shaq is so upset about; it's the implication that there is a mental health problem. If that was the case half the players in the 90's would be considered mentally ill. There's no excuse for choking another player but Shaq's point was that the chocking was part of an altercation while defending a teammate and not done while making a play. Still the game is different now and I agree with Kenny about the behavior hurting the team. Then there's Charles acting like he's never gone too far because choking and punching is what he considers an a$$ault when I consider his spitting on someone was an a$$ault too. He never did that again but he shouldn't pretend he never went too far himself.
Shaq trying to belittle Charles Barkley, just for disagreeing, proves the type of man he is
It's funny because Shaq is the epitome of a man who needs a ton of counselling and therapy, because he seems to linger a lot of insecurities and agressive behaviour, often threatening Chuck to punch him in the face when Chuck teases him, while he's been out there teasing and bullying everybody like Rudy or Javale McGee.
No wonder why he feels triggered by that "counselling" word lol counselling or therapy doesn't mean you're crazy or have a psychiatric issue...
dont forget about him and dwight beef
Ego and talent make men great but oftentimes they’re terrible human beings.
Fr dude blew his chances of the being the goat going back n fourth with a kid half his size cus of arrogance and ego he even admitted it himself he has alot of regret built up
Absolutely phenomenally said
Absolut facts
Shaq needs counseling 😂😂
he needs it but he won't take it... same situation he had with the free throws... 🤣
🤣🤣🤣 💯
I agree
😂😂😂😂😂 right!
Shaq with a boneheaded take and Chuck 1,000% right as usual
Agreed. Im just both shocked and confused Chuck has forgotten or pretending to forget he used to be always fighting in his career also
@@tinti7chuck isn’t confused or forgotten. Chuck has repeatedly admitted that every time he did something like that in his career he was wrong. If you can’t pay attention to what chuck has said then don’t talk about him
@@tinti7 Chuck was a very clean player actually. He played tough, but he rarely played dirty. His worst antics was spitting on a fan. Yes he punched Laimbeer. But pro tip: half the league punched Laimbeer at some point or another. And he and Ewing got in a scuff, which was entirely instigated by Ewing and Barkley only defended himself and didn't "go after" Ewing at all. Ewing body checked him like he was wearing hockey skates (illegal screen), Chuck tossed him out of the way so he could play defense - which is what you do when you get hit by an illegal screen that doesn't get called - and then Ewing was butthurt and had to man-up to make up for just getting rag-dolled by someone 5 inches smaller. And so Chuck rag-dolled him again. No punches, no assaults. Just a good hard shove. And that's pretty much it for actual scuffs or questionable on-court antics for Chuck.
He repeatedly said in this conversation that he never did those things, which led me to believe he sounds like he forgot about his rep or just wanted to make a point that Dray has been stepping over the line with his actions like he has done once. And I can talk about chucky whenever I want unless you want to see some furniture move in this place.
@@tinti7 just stop. Chuck has said he was wrong multiple times over the past 20 years. Also no one is going to read that long dumb comment
Shaq, take a beat to ask yourself if anyone in any professional setting deserves to feel worried about being assaulted at their job. This is needlessly dangerous
Soft
@@wabbbbaaaaaafeeettt9160 would you like to elaborate on your response? Or are you satisfied with that flaccid retort?
@@andrewvalenski921 your just soft.
@@wabbbbaaaaaafeeettt9160 interesting, do you have any other words at your disposable or are you still working on the single-syllable flash cards?
@andrewvalenski921 response of a soft kid who never played or did anything competitive outside a video game at his TV
Bad take from Shaq. Just because it was accepted for years doesn't mean he didn't need counseling in the past. Talk about ignoring the check engine light.
Nah
Most effective way to deal with this is use his logic against him, my son was shitting his pants every day for years as a baby how come now he's 17 is it a problem
Shaq promoting the perception a lot of black people have that getting therapy means “you need help”instead of therapy being something that helps in general.
Right. This is terrible validating that stigma, given the influence his voice can have on our community, that's really a bad look...
Agreed, counseling isn't a sign that you're not a capable adult, in this case it means he needs to take the time to get to the root of his actions and the counselor's job is to guide him on that journey
@@kidkouga92 It's like a NBA player going to train with Hakeem or someone in the offseason, doesn't mean their game needs help or is a problem, it just means they want to see if their game can grow in ways they didn't realize it could.
@@radicalmatamune Especially when they talk about so many real issues on this show. They always are mature and honest when it comes to gun violence, racism, domestic abuse, etc. To then turn around and say therapy is bad, is such a archaic take. I hope someone like Demar Derozan or Kevin Love who have been very outspoken about mental health counters this take.
"Its not right to choke and punch pple "
Shaq - yes it is 😂
😂😂😂 once u defending ur teammates it's all good lol
well, the choke was for his teammates, although in our eyes it looked like gorbert didnt do anything to klay, you never know what draymond had in mind. He did that because he thought gobert was going to hurt klay, so he choked him. The punch wasnt even intentional. Just like shaq said, "The only problem was that draymond stuck his hands out. "
But Draymond is just doing a character? Dont you get it? When he knocks out guys, kicks them in the nuts, chokes em, he is just in character!
@@maxmeier532 ye that normal to draymond. do u think he is like that irl, off court
@@dat_guy1803 Nobody is going to hurt Klay, especially Gobert, we all know that. It's basketball, choking has no place on a court, that's just a poor excuse. Dude has a highlight reel of violent behaviour on the court + he punched Jordan Poole while it wasn't in-game context. Stop looking for excuses.
When Shaq talks about his career, he gets tougher and tougher as the years go by. I'm the same age and watched his whole career. He was a jokester in Orlando, almost child-like. It was to the point where i thought if he ever took it seriously he could've won 8 or 9 rings.
That was Kobe's regard as well, apparently.
@@DingusTheGeniusyet they won 3 in a row. Shaq said before that his way worked, I’m with diesel.
He's literally directly responsible for 1 of the 3 Three Peats in League History. Kobe was not the main man on that team, it was Shaq, and then when they split up remember there was a big ol' thing abt who's gonna be the first to win another, and it was Shaq.
I agree that he can be arrogant and it can be a little irritating at times but he has absolutely every right to talk the way he does, even if we all don't agree with him.
Stop it thats impossible especially a big dude like shaq……….. at that weight he not lasting 8-9 playoff/championship runs
Facts
I don't always agree with Shaq but I can always respect his opinion... not on this one. I can't respect an opinion that says it's ok for a player to hit another player. Frankly I can't believe this even needs saying. In such a competitive environment with so many alpha personalities, that sort of thing can only escalate until someone gets hurt and you get players targeting and injuring stars, and ending careers.
That slap in the face not gonna end nobodies career kid
@Blballerboy most players who are known to be violent on the court usually don't get the contracts or trades they desire. It may not end but you sure won't get what you want beyond whether it's in or out of the team. GMs and higher look at that stuff closely. It's just facts at the end of the day. Lol
This is from the same people who brag that Steph couldn't play in the 90s because they would injury him.
You're right, outside of a league intervention like what they've done with Green, there would be massive retaliation and escalation. Imagine young players trying to seriously injure or even end other young players' careers just to not "be soft" as Shaq puts it. He's just wrong, this is not a part of the game
Dennis Rodman was dating Madonna, wareing dresses was late Michael Jordans had to go get him . IJS you guys have convenient amuesua
Two things can be true Shaq. Draymond can be a good man and he can also need some help dealing with something in his life. Needing therapy doesn’t mean you’re a bad person
Basketball is not his life, its his job.
You dont know if he has blurred the lines @OphepheVanessa. Not saying he has but it can happen
@pearl0818 from what I know and see, he's good friend with most of the players off the court and all their kids love him. Even Lebron who he's punched and kicked a good amount of times is one of his best friends
Sometimes Shaq is just... It's like the oxygen doesn't get all the way up there.
Nah he always like that
Shaq old school that’s all that’s how they was playing back n the day
I used to tell my mama I wanted to be 6'4 and she used to go, "You hear how Shaq be talking? That's cause the air get thin up there boy." 😂😂😂
Shaq is a walking eggplant.
Sounds like it in his voice too.
I have rarely disagreed so strongly with Shaq. And I'm a Warriors fan. But there is simply no room in basketball for what Draymond is doing. Yes he needs counseling. Shaq has completely missed the boat this time.
I agree with Shaq: He doesnt need counseling. He needs a couple years in prison for being a repeat offender regularly assaulting people.
Agreed - I think the stigma of "Counselling" or "therapy" just needs to go. Everybody needs counselling...ain't nothing wrong with it!
Shaq is out to lunch on this one... doesn't have a clue.
I think one key component of his point is this kind of on court behaviour has been in the league for a long time. The problem is instead of it being random one off acts Draymond is doing it for the whole league now 🤣
I lost all respect for Shaq behind the bs he said
shaq is embarrassing and dead wrong here. he needs to stop downplaying draymond's violence. chuck and kenny are correct. shaq is doing TNT a disservice and making himself look like a fool.
😂😂😂😂”embarrassing” to a guy in the comments
Shaq was babied, especially after he became Fat Shaq in LAL, by the refs, so he thinks acting that way is normal.
Theres a major difference between being a Rodman type antagonist & good defender; and being a Bill Laimbeer type who just plays dirty for lack of skill and/or speed.
Worst take of all time. Embarrassing this guy has a platform to discuss anything basketball related.
@@cjwrench07well said and crazy that those 2 guys you dropped were on the same team 😂
Shaq does have a point. Because he's saying that off the court, he's a nice guy. But here's one good point that Chuck nor Kenny brought up when it comes to "off the court." The Jordan Poole thing technically wasn't on the court but during practice LOL. What's the defense on that?
Draymond shouldn't be doing stuff like this in the public eye basically. No clue how counseling is going to fix this. But they literally giving him this option instead of firing him as an NBA player. Because being a player is his job and he shouldn't be doing stuff like this unwarranted.
Shaq is just using this situation to make his Era sound tougher (even if it was). Normally I like Shaq's take but wow, if anyone punches and stomps people at their job, guess what, they're a horrible person.
Nah
@@wabbbbaaaaaafeeettt9160what a toughtful comment, you definetly bring something to the conversation
@ikelmerii thank you thank you. It was my pleasure.
Ever heard of boxing? lol
Shaq: *"You cant tell me nothing! See these Kobe rings I got!"*
Shaq is living proof that having a doctorate doesn’t mean you’re smart.
😂😂😂
Pretty sure it's an honorary doctorate, which has always meant absolutely nothing.
Shaq right! They tried to play him like he crazy, and it not that.
LMAO!!!! 😂
I'm so over his commentary!
Damn Shaq smh just because bro has been doing this "for years" doesn't make it ok to keep doing it without proper accountable for his actions. He has gained the reputation for cursing out refs and for attacking players (even his own teammates) unnecessarily. Draymond has absolutely no respect or regard for anyone on the court unless their names are Steph and Klay, and that's a liability in any game.
Which is what needs to be said to him. It's cool he's got steph and klays back, but they would probably benefit a lot more if he stayed on the court and scored a few points. He just needs to tone it down abit, and stop being so wild, especially given he's a grown man, and a vet now.
Shaq ruined the segment and was being a grumpy dickhead. But he didn't mention Jordan Poole-- because it's fucked up to knock out a teammate. This is accountability for that as much as on-court antics. Dray paints outside the lines way too much.
Soft
Green has been a "physical" player, but the Warriors put up with it when they were winning. Now, they're losing and his physical play is also escalating. You can't point to a time during the Warriors run that he actually punched someone intentionally or not (unless you count Poole).
@@purplepill2024 OF COURSE we should count Poole! He also kicked multiple guys in the nuts. He has always gone OUTSIDE the rules to gain an edge. The idea that he is only now flipping out is untrue.
One minute shaq is a cop the next he’s saying it’s ok to punch people
Shaq is just a gigantic baby sometimes 😆
Idk what Shaq smoking but he is 100% wrong wtf 😂😂
“You can’t choke and punch ppl in the face”
“Yes you can” HUH!?!???
and people think shaq is a genius and generous guy. lol
in the 80s and 90s they did.. what he means is.. what shaq is trying to say is it was more normal back in the day but now its not..
I think what shaq is trying to say draymond doesn't need counciling because he knows what he is doing and has been. Shaq is trying to say if draymond needs counciling so does shaq and everyone who played in the 80s to early 2010
I mean it’s not illegal now is it?
Good to know the most dominant largest Athlete alive considers it okay to choke and punch ppl.......
Draymond knows exactly what he's doing. I agree, he doesn't need counseling, flat out suspend him for the rest of the season, with no pay, or kick him out, altogether. I guarantee, if the NBA would take a hard line with just 1 guy, and prove they are serious, everybody else would straighten up. Too much money to lose, for these guys.
Such a shame because Draymond is going to be known for these antics instead of the four championship rings he has won.
@@Lee-ic8ln Exactly! He's destroying his own reputation. Big difference between playing with emotion, and letting your emotions play you.
What’s wrong with counseling? Losing your job is better than getting help and keeping your job? Ni66a what!? 🧐
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@@crypto_que It's, yet another free pass, for a guy that's already gotten away with too much. Bypass this enabling step, and get serious about how you want your employees/ players to conduct themselves. Season long suspension, or better yet, ban him from the NBA. Make an example of him, and watch others behavior improve instantly.
That’s the difference between Shaq and Chuck! Chuck is always honest no matter what the subject is, unlike Shaq who’s driven by emotions
..and ego
And Charles is about a billion times smarter than shaq.
Fair point… and they both have fair good points truth is neither was wrong..
@@nickytommymancinelli8066😂😂
Emotions are honest
I didn't know you could break the law as long as it's on a basketball court lol
2:27 😂😂 “they need counseling” 😭
Shaq’s too stubborn and missing the point. His behavior could injure another player, it’s unacceptable in the game. If you don’t like that he’s being required to take counseling, just suspend him for the rest of the year.
Shaq be having illogical takes sometimes. Nothing he said makes sense. If dray been doing it 4 or 5 years then he needs to figure out what is triggering that response so it can stop. Otherwise people will keep getting hurt unnecessarily
MOST TIMES
Damn yall soft af
Shaq's right, people cry for NBA to get tougher and with more animosity, and when they get it they cry even more
@@Ayyeeeooo Relax Keyboard
Draymond don’t need counseling he needs accountability
Why is Shaq so mad? 😂
Doesn't believe in mental health apparently 😂
Because he probably got offered to seek counseling himself, that's why its so triggering to him
He is mad because people are too damn sensitive and are judging Draymonds character because the cry baby got slapped due to him not seeing Draymond turning around. I stand by Shaq on this.
Cause he has anger issues himself
@@californiahippie1993 so how is getting ejected and getting suspended helping the team? Is the warriors "sensitive"..
Chuck was one pillow away from falling asleep
Wait. Did Shaq just attack Kenny and call him soft? WTF dude?
04:50 This is why Chuck is the one who sells tickets on this show. He will always tell it how he sees it
When a bully excuses another bully 😂
Draymond literally punched a teammate, stomped/jumped on someone like he's Super Mario, chocked someone who was trying to break up a fight, and slapped someone for doing literally nothing, all within one year. If that's not a sign that he needs counseling, idk what is.
The 'stomp' was complete acting
HE DID ALL THAT FOR BASKETBALL!! the f** does that have to do with counseling?? Smh racism is real
Soft
@@Ayyeeeooo Saying that's soft says more abt you than anyone else, this isn't the MMA. Physicality is fine but what in the name of Christ does stomping someone out have to do with Basketball?
lol so many little tough guys are here protecting draymonds antics.
Since Shaq doesn't think counselling is the solution, I wish they had asked him what his solution to Draymond's problem is, because something is clearly wrong.
Nah
What is "clearly wrong" is his inability to play the enforcer role in a more effective way. To play dirty is part of the game, anything goes to win, hell, even KAJ trowed sneaky elbows at the ribs of his opponents. Artest had his ups and downs, was able to disguise it (the right way to play), but sometimes he was too blatant. This narrative that Draymond is mentally challenged, he has anger issues, etc.. in the information era, if he is really sick, accusations of domestic violence and similar antics would surface already. But thus far, the guy is clean, no accusations as far as I know. So the current narrative is how Draymond is a menace, he is the new Rodman, blablablabla, but in fact, it's just the NBA media trying to hook people. And it works, look at us talking about this stupidity
The difference from a Draymond strike and a Chuck/Shaq fight is Draymond strikes are mostly unprovoked and reckless. Unpredictability is what is dangerous and scary. Draymond is exhibiting sociopathic behavior.
This is the most insane take from Shaq. He’s usually not this off. Yes. He don’t need counseling for like anger or mental issues but he does need it for his basketball antics
How soft the world is where y’all saying you need counseling for being aggressive in basketball 😂
It’s not adding up. Just admit you’re tired of getting your cheeks violated by Steph
@@Ayyeeeooobro you are also soft af, punching someone’s face is aggressive? I thought shooting someone on the court is the least aggressive thing
I'll say this , many of these comments seems to be from people that's never played basketball or anyother sport . They've definitely never played against black kids in black neighbourhoods ! I'm 69 years old now , I started playing the game on the asphalt courts of inner city Atlanta , then at an all black high school in the inner-cities at the age of 12 . I was 5ft 7 inches weighed maybe 135 lbs. In order to play you had to either pick a team or be picked to play . And you played against former high school and college players , street dudes , hustlers grown drop outs and they were big tough and showed no mercy . And I was the only kid that they couldn't intimidate or make quit . By the time I was 16 . I was the guy nobody wanted to play against . And during those days every college wanted that type of player . The tough guys , big strong and intimidating. At my age I've watched the game evolve all the way from the playgrounds to the pros .in the 60s , I believe that it was a white coach at Western michigan that went to the inner-cities and recruited black player and they beat adolph Rupp and kentuky for a national championship. College basketball has never been the same since . Next the NBA was dying and on its death bed , in comes the black players and the rest is history ! Within a few years white boys were barely making teams . No 1 they couldn't compete and white ticket buyers finally had something to cheer about . I could go on ! But what's happening to the league today is embarrassing . I mean the plan to make the league atleast 90 percent European is a joke . Soon the only black players in the NBA will be from France or Africa. This is why young black american players are being gradually run out of the league. By hook or crook ! Not so long ago players like Draymond Green were celebrated . The fans went to games to see the shaqs , Berkley, masons okleys , rodmans mahorns malones and Lambeirs etc , etc to beat up on each other. They were allowed to do whatever they wanted never seeing suspensions more than one game . The game was so physical that white boys started running away from the playing the game same as football. They got into sports management , representing black athletes , robbing and stealing them blind . So this attempt to create a European NBA will never last . And it'll need blacks to save it again . Well maybe not because when you look at the ignorance and stupidity of whites today ( the magas ) hell they'll go to watch 10 man made robots play !
@@randythomas8612 im not reading that copy some short story nest time
Chuck looks so disappointed 😂
He was doing the same back in the day punching at people elbowing in the face
@@heigherheights21 True, but he admits he was an idiot for it.
He looks really tired. Wonder if adding the CNN show and all the publicity they’re doing for it is running him down.
Hes not one to judge
Everyone is
Shaq is wrong to defend Draymond’s actions here
A suspension is fine but counseling is ridiculous
he's not defending actions. he said it was a mistake. and he was defending Klay the time before. He's saying hes not crazy off the court as people calling him.
that true. But it's easy to beat that theory as what he did to Jordan Poole was during practice lol. That's SO WRONG to do that to a teammate @@nicolasmun13
@@nicolasmun13it’s pretty hard to believe that his actions on the court haven’t translated from who he is as a person.
That doesn’t even make sense.
@@nicolasmun13he legit says that you can punch and choke people on the court
Shaq needs counseling.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Shaq constantly talks over everyone else. His defense is to get loud, cut everyone else off and be aggressive. Charles just got quiet because he knew where this would have went if he truly spoke his mind. We live in a completely different world. You cant do and say things you use to say in the 1800s, 1940s, 1960s, 1980s and even 2000s. And punching and choking people is called assault! Kids don't listen to Shaq!
Charles got quiet because he's sick. Otherwise he would've went in on Shaq
Yes! Please kids, do not be like Shaq in this regard
You mad just like you have an opinion he has the right to his, and he's right people are always trying to add extra .
This is about the only tyme, I am going to disagree with the gentle giant.
@@tonyawarner701 we all have an opinion and its nothing wrong with that but don't talk over people. Its how you go abt expressing your opinion or responding to others that get people in tough situations. And never encourage violence in a work environment for sure. But I am definitely not mad☺
One of the funniest moments on the show “It’s supposed to be 1,2,3… not 1,2, back to 1”
Then here “don’t interrupt me” then interrupts all session long with the worst take on the situation
Hold this L Shaq
Internet/ keyboard warrior
@@joko1661 Is that a confession?
Shaq don’t hold L’s
@@INoahGuy914 Shaqtin a fool, he turns L's into W's... not sure how he will turn this one around but I'm sure he will
He won actually
Just because he’s been playing this way for years doesn’t mean it’s right. Draymond literally punched a man for no reason and Shaq is saying that’s alright because I have this character on the court I have to play. He’s hurting people and all Shaq is all for it. Way off on this one
Lol. I understand what Shaq was saying, but I think Kenny's take on it was better. There's no issues with him off the court like Ja and Chuck. So its not a 24/7 anger issue. Just his passion for the game when he's playing. So that needs to be dealt with on the coaching side and if Steph is the leader of the Team he needs to be talkin to him too. Like dude you keep getting suspended is not helping us. Keep the aggressiveness, but stop kicking and stomping people in the nuts.
I don't like how Chuck got amnesia like he never was punching people in his day.
Totally understand what Shaq& Kenny are saying Draymond does not need Therapy based on what goes on the court but need to tone it down with what he does ,because back in the 60's Thur the 90's this how game was played with most teams having an enforcer,but we live in a time where. Everything is under the Microscope,and like Shaq said he is a good Citizen in the world so suspension is to help him stop playing outside the rules of the game in Present day NBA
Everyone has that grumpy day at work 😂
Everyone can always work on something and having professionals help you is awesome. Saying you think he needs counselling doesn’t mean you think he’s a bad person or that there is anything wrong with him.
Good point
Shaq is identifying with Dray, and like Dray, he is dug in on his image. Shaq is just trying to be right, without doing the job of interpreting this pro basketball situation for the fans, he's just being right.
Dray does need a sports phycologist, or at the least some mentorship, he needs to step back from his image, or his image of himself. With all of the competition damaging ejections and suspensions, he obviously needs help with that. Dray is way to smart to keep shooting his team in the foot over and over again, and stabbing his basketball legacy in the back.
Your soft
Indeed. Dray doesn't need a sport phycologist, he needs a psychologist XD I'm sorry I had to do it
Shaq is 💯 percent wrong. In reality we all need counseling. There’s things that happened in our lives that we aren’t aware of and shaq is making it seem like it’s the end of the world seeking someone’s opinion on things that might be hidden. Just because you’re rich and sitting in front of millions doesn’t mean you can’t be better than you are today mentally. That shows shaq is flawed because what draymond is doing has nothing to do with basketball. What shaq did in the 90s had everything to do with him having a championship spirit and getting clocked a million times because no one could stop him. Can’t believe dude said that
Legacy, c'mon now, lol such bullshit. The guy earned 100 million by being a role player in a system, he most likely consider himself a "star", it doesn't help how the team not only overpay, but also protect Draymond. So really, the Warriors are to blame, they fomented his antics. No one pampered Rodman and Artest back in the day, they kept playing because their talent was legit. To play the enforcer role in the current soft era is really tough, any minimal contact will be called a technical foul... and Draymond don't even try to disguise it, he plays dirty right in front of the refs, it's just stupid
Shaq’s right, Draymond just did all those things in accident. If you look closely to that Jordan Poole video, he was actually trying to give Poole a pat on the back.
😅😂🤣
That's on par with Shaq saying it's okay to choke players out or punch them in the face
Like Draymond has been having a lot of accidents 🙄
Like attempt to choke out was completely an accident that lasted almost long enough to put him to sleep
Like his 360 roundhouse punch
Completely an accident because he can't control his body
Stomping on a fallen opponent completely an accident
You're delusional 🤪
@@armandosuba3427 it’s a joke
Lmaooo
@@shotsfiredtvofficialthe chuck ladel hug I forgot how to spell his name from UFC 😂😂😅
You had me in the first half ngl
Shaq is wrong as hell
Draymond amassed a whopping 2m+ in fines. Shaq was lucky he was fined pennies back in his day.
"he was extending his arms" 😂😂😂😂 new way of explaining punching ppl, FFS
Well, that might explain what happened in Sacramento--Green must've been merely stretching his legs when he stomped on Sabonis' chest.
Chuck with the sniffles looks like hes ready to finally choke Shaq out lmao, they finally had him at his wits end.
Shaq is 100 percent right, basketball is a game and you play to win. You do what you have to do to win a game, Draymond is not playing for the moment he’s playing for the future, he’s making sure that both him and his teammates are protected not only by their basketball ability but the fear of getting physical. By saying that draymond needs counseling your saying Larry Bird, Zaza, Doctor J, Michael Jordon, Ben Wallace, THE ENTIRE BAD BOY PISTONS, Ron Artest and Kevin Garnett need counseling. All of these players played “dirty” and in case you haven’t noticed, all of these players are NBA champions so their way of play worked.
The counselling to get less suspension. You can’t defend him anymore without saying he has mental problems
imagine people saying YOU have mental problems. off how you act on a basketball court after winning a championship 4 times.
Counseling or "getting help" infers that there is a mental issue. I don't think he has a mental issue or mental instability. I think he over-exaggerates his actions and thinks he can get away with slapping and kicking people as though its ok.
@@alberttate8198😂WHAT? Draymond obviously has anger issues if his instant reaction to everything is violence. Be forreal.
success has nothing to do with this@@nicolasmun13 theres thousands of successful criminals.
@@r.m.90 still it doesn't justify his actions
Shaq is being defensive, maybe he is feeling guilty and insecure. He confessed to being a bully. Might still be one at heart, despite the image he can create with his money and fame off the court, this situation makes him feel uncomfortable. A real shame. The good you do in the world is not a replacement for the damage you do to others.
Shaq has always had bad takes. He gets away with it because he is entertaining as hell.
Wow. That last sentence was deep. That sounds like AA therapy. Very nice
That's why Chuck calls him "the big sensitive"
That last sentence thougg
Shaq the "sheriff" condoning violence and rule breaking. Nice. Plus I grew up watching Shaq take all kinds of sh__t from Rodman and he never "tore off his face."
That was young Shaq, not 3 peat Shaq......
He's exaggerating... Trying to make himself seem like he played just as dirty as Draymond does. But I don't think he really thought his words through before he spoke
Shaq: You ain’t hard .. your pudding…. 😂 except that time he threw a guy through a window for spitting on him 🤔
Shaq's anti-counselling stance is ridiculous HOWEVER... Kenny's interpretation of what Shaq said makes sense. Kenny and Ernie are proof that you can be entertaining AND have really thoughtful insights.
What about Jordan Poole? He punched him off the court, so his same actions aren’t just on the court. Even Steve Kerr mentioned that. He definitely needs counseling for his anger!! Shaq is so wrong with this one.
actually they were on a basketball court when that happened
It was a team practice in their facility so its "on the court" as he's technically at work. And you see he seems to know who to go after who no one really steps in to defend. i.e. Poole and Gobert. This means the other teammates didn't like them anyway.
@@cedriclloyd5571still on a court bruh
@@tonidp66 I know. The poster was saying that was "off the court"
No he is actually right.
Shaq is sticking up for a friend. If he took the bias out of the way, he would be saying what everyone else is saying about Draymond… or along the same lines
He's not sticking up for a friend, he's sticking up for himself. He knows that's how he used to play, so he gets insecure whenever someone talks bad about it.
Shaq should've been getting suspended back in the day, as well. A lot of guys should've been getting suspended in that era. Malone, Laimbeer, Barkley, Mahorn, Salley, Oakley, Xavier McDaniel. The list goes on
Chuck : You can’t choke people and punch them in the face you can’t do that.
Shaq: yes you can… yes you can.
WTF.. Shaq is promoting violence.
Chuck and Ernie are the soul of this show. Shaq is all noise.
I think Shaq is just screwing around. He will come back later on and say he was kidding
lol he saying draymond was defending
And Kenny is the only one with intelligent basketball analysis.
@@ryanmagiera4402 No, Kenny has a particular way of saying it. Chuck knows the game plenty well and when he's not deliberately being an ass, Shaq does too.
🔔🔔🔔🔔 This World Is Genuinely CRAZY, Shaq is drunk today FAM 🌩️ ALAFIA 🌅
Shaq & Draymond need to go to the WWE if they both like chokes & kicks so much... would be great to watch 😅
Much as I love Shaq, he got this one wrong. There is no defense for what Draymond does on the court all the time. It's nice to know he's not like that when he's off the court. However, something is going on, and it needs to be addressed.
Nah
Problem with Shaq is once he makes a statement he will defend it until the end Even when he knows he's in the wrong and the more they try to question him the deeper and louder he gets lol
Then he ussaly always finishes with saying his champ rings it's ight bruh we get it
He’s like a spoiled child
No your just soft
Why will he make a statement hes nto going to defend
I don't think Shaq wrong on this take. Imo,the league is to blame for Draymond foolishness. The Warriors organization. It's been clip after clip after clip with Draymond intentionally throwing a foot or arm at other players. If the league had stepped in from around 2015-16and punished him severely,all off this foolishness wouldn't be surfacing.
Terrible take from Shaq. His rebuttal is that he has G-14 clearance so his point is valid.
Draymond Green is taking AWAY from the game of basketball with his antics.
Watch tennis
@@AtribecalledsuccessYou mentioned tennis, I hope it's a joke & your not upset about most of us who are saying how Shaq made 0 sense in that clip, not to mention so disrespectful to the panel. If you aren't joking about your tennis comment then you're probably in the 4% (4 is being generous) who think he made sense🤔
@@DanaMarie6667 being the majority in the comments doesn’t mean you’re right
here’s your prize 🏆
@@Atribecalledsuccess I watch all sports 🤡. Tennis included. Draymond Greens antics haven’t been basketball related & that’s why the league suspended him indefinitely. Not me from the comment section CLOWN.
@@DanaMarie6667 Probably shouldn't engage with the oxygen deprived.
shaq was speaking emotionally and kenny helped make the point that needed to be made. only counseling that is necessary is the warriors needing to hold him more accountable. they are the ones enabling his behavior. it cost them 1 championship and a big blemish on a record setting season, a chance to cement a dynasty with kd, and his inability to create chemistry with the younger core guys set them back several years and will push steph out of his chance at another championship window. he's self inflicting the wounds on the organization and it's why they will trade him and blow up the core.
Raja Bell made this point, that Steph needs to sit him down and remind him of his place. I do think that is what is needed more than counseling. It seems that no one that has authority over him is willing to control him. So instead we have to talk around the issue by bringing up counseling etc when that's probably not what is needed, that's where I agree with Shaw. But at the same time it's quite obviously stupid to say it's ok to punch and choke people on a basketball court. It's not OK, he wasn't "just defending a teammate", he looked like he had been waiting for an opportunity to do something like that. He needs to control himself, and he's been enabled, the people who have been enabling him need to stop that and they need to help him control himself.
They might have lost to Lebron in 2016 because of him but they don't get past OKC that year without him either so damned if you do and damned if you don't
@@Luke-RyanHe has 4 chips. I think he’ll be okay
I’m glad someone is mentioning the very likely championships he may have cost them. The incident of kicking LeBron, the arguing and belittling of KD help to push him out, the punch to Polle which divided the locker room and had one of their worse seasons. Now this season where is absence is not helping their record or standing. And people are still trying to say keep Draymond over Klay…..I would never. GS hold him accountable!
Hold him accountable? Yes. He cost them chips, the dynasty isn't cemented with 4 in 8 and he set the team back years? No. Ridiculous tbh.
I swear people don't actually watch half the teams in the NBA. Jordan Poole was not the future of the warriors. If the green punch- which was messed up and should have been addressed harder- lead to that trade, which it didn't, it took 3 years off the upcoming rebuild. Any years in between, come on, KD is on his 3rd and youngest superteam, he wasn't going to stay lol. That players only meeting would've happened if it was the one thing. The year KD left he missed the whole season, the year after the warriors had Wiseman playing starter minutes and no Klay, and the year after that they won a championship, so what exactly would having an extra 40M contract have done in those three years? Definitely not two championships.
People really saying the warriors "only" having 4 rings is because of one person as if any franchise can just win a decade straight if they're good enough, as if there weren't legit reasons for every down year and every big loss, and as if he single handedly choked game 7 in 2016 lol. Just say the guy sucks and move on. A billion dollar industry isn't changing it's life for a whiny player with a podcast
I don’t know where shaq is coming from with his comments about draymond. There is a big difference between playing physical and playing dirty. Clearly, draymond was playing dirty when he punched or hit an opposing player above the shoulder.
Nah your just soft
Shaq is a bully, Always has been, always will be. When ever he"s losing an argument, his first responce is "bully intimidation. Stupid
Chuck talking like he just came from that island 😂😂
You can’t call something a mistake when you do it on purpose
I know Barkley is sick but it makes me sad seeing him get older.
is it serious?
What do you mean he's sick?
He doesn’t look good.
That cough syrup was kicking in. You can even tell from his slur. I expect Chuck to be back in action come the new year…..
@@doc4165ong bro just high asf
When Shaq says you need counseling if you let someone put you in a choke hold is the most disgusting thing I have heard. I'm absolutely sick of this culture of believing that you're not a real man if you don't fight back. I know not everyone thinks like this, but still.
I think you're absolutely right and it is reprehensible to listen to Shaq essentially condone assault and essentially it masculinity. And his only response to disagreement is to attempt to vocally bully his peers.
He's is wrong for approving Donkey being a scumbag, but Gobert should've sunken his face with a punch 💯%
Shaq is old school…you fight back or you get punked for the rest of your NBA career. Gobert should have pushed Draymond or stood up to him when Draymond finally let him go
@@jujubeatz-mp1rwcringe
@@jujubeatz-mp1rw Shaq is not old school, he is dumb school...always has been... don't pay attention to his views people, idiocracy is just around the corner.
5:01 the tone he uses with that yes you can is like hes trying to teach the youth this 😂😂.
Not easy to say he doesn't have anger issues just because his private life hasn't been exposed to be what is traditionally seen as anger issues (ex: domestic violence, substance abuse, shouting at waiters, etc.). I can see a scenario where basketball is his release for his anger BECAUSE he bottles it up off the court which is a type of anger management issue.
Lol Shaq is acting silly 😂
Just being a big goofball today 😂
Shaq doesn't know how to be wrong😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
The impulsive behavior to choke and open hand someone within such a short period of time, in a basketball game, warrants counseling.
the choke was justified. probably shouldn't have held it for so long, but gobert shouldn't be touching another team's players.
Noooo...It warrants a suspension with enough force to make him pull back on these specific on-court behaviors. It's clear that he has the ability to shut them on and off, because he doesn't have any off court incidents like them. If you give someone enough incentive to change, they will change or they will be gone. Most of the time, said person doesn't need to talk another person to figure out the change either because the consequences will be in their face. It is on the individual to change.
@@GutsBatman I mean for him! I dont agree with anyone being obligated to attend counseling under these circumstances but he needs to learn to chill out.
Also, he DOES technically have an off court incident in punching poole. Granted that was on a court but it wasnt in a game and in a casual setting.
@@phamawa What would the counseling actually do? i mean, other than make the NBA look better and proactive instead of us (paying customers, sponsors, etc) taking a much harder look at it for allowing for him to get this far in the first place. This is issue has been created by both Draymond Green and the NBA itself equally. Rasheed Wallace never got to go this far (outside of the incident with Donaghy, which I will grant but we also know what he did) because referees started calling technicals on him for merely looking their direction. NBA officials indulged his behavior and told him it was mostly okay to do so by doing what he'd been doing for most of his career. Him learning self control is something that could be done through a suspension that conveys the message "Hey, stop it!" The counseling is a distraction technique for the NBA.
yeah he needs to attend counseling at a minimum, its not even asking that much. There is absolutely nothing to lose from going to counseling.
Shaq's argument here reminded me of the gas tank thing from a few years back. He keeps saying something that is logical, to him, and then keeps repeating it over everyone's objections.
Sounds like Shaq needs counseling.
Charles saying you can't joke people out and punch them and Shaq saying yes you can haunt you in the future especially when you have kids that play the same sport.
Your soft
Shaq is soft and sensitive. Dray needs accountability.
No you soft thats the problem
Shaq blaming the other players for not hitting back at Draymond? 😮
Everybody is a tough guy until they get punched in the mouth.
Yeah, I know that Tyson quote@@mrshaheedmalik but Shaq blaming other players for not hitting back is just an attempt to shift the blame away from Draymond. Draymond is playing basketball, not in a ring. He's repeatedly stepping over the line and needs to stop.
0:40 What Shaq dislikes is the narrative that counselling equates to a mental health problem when he [incorrectly] believes it's just playing hard and being physical. Draymond clearly has anger management issues and whether you call it therapy or counselling, without intervention, he will continue to undermine his own team and sabotage his own legacy.
Relax
and even if he didn't have problem like shaq says, at least you still tried. what do you lose by trying out "counselling"? if they find a problem, alright, we can fix it. if their isn't, you can show to people that you've tried it.
Hell, Jordan punched Kerr in practice, most likely he punched others as well, got into fights, etc people forget the NBA remains a competitive environment, even with the player being pampered, the defective rules, etc.. this soft era is pathetic, but these guys are still competing. Remember when KAT and Embiid were throwing real punches at each other? The problem with Draymond is how he is losing awareness about his dirty plays, at first he did it in a disguised way (which is how a enforcer should play the role), but with time he is getting more blatant about it. To play dirty is not a sin, anything goes to win... however, if the enforcer can only commit fouls instead of drawing retaliation, he becomes a dead weight
Shaq you are wrong on this one. Draymind didnt evolove or mature at all in the last years, i understand that his mentality brought him to where he is now but now the same mentality is not helpful anymore and does harm to him. He need counseling and help for sure.
Nah
Shaq and Chuck played in the era off Rodman, Ron Artest, Mahorn, Laimbeer when you usually didn't get ejected for hitting someone. When Kurt Rambis was clotheslined by Mchale he just went and shot his free throws and Machale didn't get tossed or even get a tech.
Give it up Shaq. That's like a thug on the street telling the judge, "Well, I've been doing it all my life."
I’m happy draymond green hit him 😂
Thas what happens when mamba carries him to 3 rings
NBA has been paying players like Draymond and Rodman millions for a long ass time. Shaq has a point. If Jordan "The Goat" can use a dirty player to go to the top why can't GSW?
Shaq old school. You bully other players to get that mental edge over your opponents….Example Bad Boy Pistons
Damn, what's wrong with Shaq. The brother needs help, too.
I love Shaq but telling someone not to interrupt you after you take a pause is something 😂
Shaq done lost his damn mind. Only in his mind was he so tough. Don't interrupt me, but I can interrupt you!
He's 7'1 300 pounds he may act like a baby, but you ain't fucking with that man 😂
I am so glad these new young players are changing the NBA and the NBA is becoming international with players who have a different mindset about how to play the game of basketball.
I think it's Shaq that needs counselling after his comments.
"Watching NBA games with subtitles is like listening to a comedian on mute. You know it's funny, but you're missing the punchline!" -Draymond Green
Dray said when he had rudy in a headlock he ain’t realize how far he dragged him 😂get him to therapy
Chuck was off the egg nod 😂😂😂😅
He call Charles…”pudding soft!” 😂😂😂