I was on the English Version of the site and not the Japanese Version which is why I couldn't find it in the data base but my other points still stands.
It's worth looking at Red-Eyes Fusion for ruling precident. Red-Eyes Fusion lets you Fusion from deck by sending materials including a "Red-Eyes" Monster which is listed as material on said Fusion. The Red-Eyes Fusions range from specifically mentioning "Red-Eyes Black Dragon" to "Red-Eyes" Monster of some specification. Dragoon in particular Requires a Red-Eyes or a Dragon Effect Monster but if using Red-Eyes Fusion you need to send Red-Eyes Black Dragon but if summoning with regular Poly, then it is fine. Applying this to Ultimate Fusion, you should be able to summon it using 3 Blue-Eyes White Dragons and Chaos Ritual Monster because while BEWD is not specifically listed as material, Ultimate Dragon is and that fulfills the requirements of Ultimate Fusion.
Actually, no. Exactly because of Red-Eyes Fusion's precedent you cannot use 3 Blue-Eyes White Dragon as material for Utimate Fusion. When you use a Fusion spell that requires the mention of a certain material, and you attempt to summon a monster that has an alternate material requirement as well, the game basically treats it as the alternate material requirement not existing at all. If you use Ultimate Fusion for Dragon Magia Master, it effectively only says "Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon" + 1 "Black Luster Soldier" or "Chaos" Ritual monster. By your logic, you would be able to summon Red-Eyes Dark Dragoon with Red-Eyes Fusion by sending a "Red-Eyes" effect monster, which you aren't allowed to do. The only material requirement that fulfills the condition of mentioning a "Red-Eyes" monster is "Red-Eyes Black Dragon", so you can only send it to the GY, and not any other Red-Eyes effect monster.
Ultimate Fusion says "ULTIMATE DRAGON" & "BEWD" in quotations and Magia says "BE ULTIMATE DRAGON" & 3 "BE" monsters in quotations. Therefore "Ultimate Dragon" monsters meet the criteria of both cards, and so does "BEWD". "BEWD" MONSTERS does not because they are not mentioned on Ultimate Fusion because BEWD is specific and Ultimate Dragon is not. Also Ultimate Dragon meets the 3 BE monsters criteria also since they have BE in their names. Cards that work with both Magia & Ultimate Fusion: BEWD, BEUD, Neo BEWD, BE Alternative UD, BEAWD (treated as BEWD), & Chaos/BLS Ritual Monsters. That's simple to understand.
@@jobejacobs62 Pretty sure NBEUD and BEAUD won't work with Ultimate Fusion since they aren't strictly BEUD as per Magia's materials' names, otherwise it may as well have been "1 Level-12 Blue-Eyes Fusion Monster" which would've been worse.
I’m only upset that some of these archetypes make boss monsters for far less cost lmao it took 20 years for blue eyes to get a negate and they might as well have just kept it
as far as i understand, this ruling should be incorrect. Ultimate fusion says "by shuffling **the fusion materials listed on it** from your hand, field and/or GY to your deck" and does not specify that the fusion materials listed have to be either BEUD or specifically BEWD. the specification of BEWD/BEUD is the criteria for which fusion monsters you can summon by the effect of ultimate fusion. i.e. you are supposed to fusion summon a monster with BEUD/BEWD as its materials, but the requirement is that the materials required for its summon must be shuffled into the deck from the required zones. these two specifications on the card are separate. i can't think of a specific example but from what i know (and i could be wrong as i'm no expert, so feel free to correct me), if the requirement was that the fusion monster must contain either of these monsters as its material, and then you had to shuffle "**THOSE** FUSION MATERIALS AND ANY LISTED ON IT" and not "**THE** FUSION MATERIALS LISTED ON IT" (forgive me if my wording isn't 100% with the errata, but i'm trying to clarify the distinction here). if you look at fusion deployment, although the effects are different, they deal with the same kind of requirement: fusion materials on a specific fusion card in the extra deck. it clearly says "1 of the Fusion Materials whose name is specifically listed on that card", and clearly Ultimate Fusion should have a similar kind of distinction if the requirement for the materials on a card has to be identical to the materials used in the fusion summon, because it clearly doesn't, and it means this kind of ruling is mistaken. because Ultimate Fusion does not tell you that the cards eligible for the summon have to use the exact materials listed on the card... unless i'm ignorant and that's a ruling that's part of the master rule. edit: fixed some spelling mistakes, and remembered to recommend YGO Omega as the better alternative to EDOPro (not to discredit them or project Ignis), the staff is more meticulous with the rulings and have reliable native japanese speakers that can cross-reference OCG and TCG rulings and interpretations of the text for errata in case any confusions like this arise, they also fix any issues or glitches quite fast and clearly label any unfinished or unpolished cards with a fat BETA icon to let you know there might be hiccups with rulings or how the card functions in the simulator still... all in all a better experience imo, so if i'm wrong with my interpretation they'll have likely done the same, but i've been able to summon Dragon Magia Master with Ultimate Fusion no problem on that simulator.
You're wrong on this. Every Fusion Spell with similar wording to Ultimate Fusion works like the way he's describing in the video. Red-Eyes Fusion has to use Red-Eyes when summoning Dragoon, Branded Fusion has to use Albaz, etc.
Pre-Preration of Rites works in Vendread because while Origins can be used for any Vendread Ritual Monster, it specifically mentions "Revendread Slayer" later in it's text (the GY protection effect). This qualifies two cards to be searched with Pre-Prep. The same should apply to Ultimate Fusion and Dragon Magia Master. I hope Konami fixes this ruling.
"...by shuffling the Fusion Materials listed on it from your..." Not any fusion materials, the ones listed on the card, AKA Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon. They really don't care much when they make new support for the most popular archetypes, it's so weird, no other card game does this.
2:00 This is why I like Speed Duel format, the skills in Duel Links for Blue-Eyes, Dark Magician, & Neos that let you normal summon them are awesome. Turns an archetype that's overly bricky to one that's very consistent. Too bad you can only play Speed Duel through Duel Links so you have to surrender your life savings to Konami in order to play silly non-meta decks. Yeah, I'll stick to Master Duel lol
If you are fine with making a fun non-competitive deck, I'd like to see a Red-Eyes Kashtira deck, or a Magnet Warrior deck that uses the "Imperion" fusion monster :)
I ain't gonna lie i thought everyone knew this. I had planned on using ultimate fusion to summon it in dogmatika since I can use blue eyes ultimate dragon to summon alba zoa so i was never concerned about the fusion requirements. Its a 2 card combo with ultimate fusion or bingo machine go combined with nadir servant if ur interested in making it as well. Just use magicians souls and illusion of chaos so that u can get some extra draw power and the illusion can be ur other fusion requirement.
Same. I was pretty surprised everyone was so surprised when ultimate fusion checks for Blue-Eyes White Dragon and the Ultimate Dragon as part of the fusion material before it makes you shuffle em. Dogmatika was a instant good choice when its all about dumping ED monsters.
Essentially, the cards listed on both Ultimate Fusion and the fusion monster itself must match for the effect to resolve properly. In this case, only Blue-eyes Ultimate Dragon meets that requirement.
If Ultimate Fusion NEEDS to use Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon as material, that would make Master of Dragon Magia absolutely unplayable, at least in the deck builds that all the big TH-camrs (and yours truly) have created. It was actually the deck that I was going to create to get me back into Yu-Gi-Oh, but if this new ruling stands, I guess I’ll just stick to duel links and master duel.
That's understandable. This card would only be playable in a branded deck or one that's forced to use fusion armament. I'm not saying that archetype is bad or that card is bad, I'd just rather the line in my last video be an option.
Anyone who was doing that line of play didn't fully understand the fusion mechanic. But as a fellow Blue-Eyes player there are still easy ways to get a turn 1 Dragon Master Magician and it shouldn't be hard to find. Definitely can't wait to get that card in the TCG and take it to a regional.
Yep ultimate fusion needs to shuffle back one of blue eyes white dragon or ultimate WHILE one of those is specifically listed on the fusion card as material. So if ultimate dragon is listed you shuffle ultimate dragon, if BEWD is listed shuffle at least one BEWD. The whole “blue eyes monster” thing is an issue that the archetype has been dealing with forever. Some cards only mention/list BEWD and some only Blue Eyes Monsters. If they had just said “or 3 Blue Eyes White dragons” then Magia would be playable. There’s never a need to put these kind of restrictions on a card especially when it kills any synergy it would have with in archetype spells/traps. BEWD, DM, and REBD get the shaft when it comes to usable support. EDIT: Fusion Tag could be useful in this situation
could have been "(or 1 BEWD + 2 "Blue-eyes" monsters)" if they wanted to fix it. Maybe we get another ultimate retrain which is treated as ultimate and has this summoning condition. Honestly the most future proof solution would be "a LVL 10 or higher Blue-Eyes Fusion monster" but that would still not be able to be used by ultimate fusion.
@@Swagorath they just need to stop messing around and list BEWD as material for all its fusions. It’s ridiculous, not like the deck would be cracked with magia.
Simply (or simpler) put, it specifically says "Blue-Eyes White Dragon" or "Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon" as material for "Ultimate Fusion" and, thus, the Fusion has to _specifically_ mention either BEWD or BEUD as its materials in addition to using those materials - Magia says 'Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon (or 3 "Blue-Eyes" monsters)'. Shorter, Ultimate Fusion only allows Fusion Summoning monsters that specifically mention BEWD or BEUD, so only using with BEUD for Magia is allowed. Also, I was wrong about this myself due to this wierd technicality - no other Blue-Eyes Fusion has this issue.
Some things that really grind my gears are misleading PSCT (problem “causing” card text), and nitty-gritty semantics. The card Ultimate Fusion does not tell you what cards you have to use for material, just refers to some things being listed. Update your wording to reflect that interaction or reverse this ruling for any justice for Blue-Eyes.
Main Deck: Blazing Cartesia, the Virtuous x3 Toy Soldier x1 Toy Tank x1 King of the Swamp x3 Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring x3 Magicians' Souls x3 Illusion of Chaos x3 Polymerization x2 Pot of Desires x3 Fusion Armament x3 Dragon's Mirror x3 Foolish Burial x1 Preparation of Rites x2 Toy Box x3 Infinite Impermanence x3 Necro Fusion x3 Extra Deck: Dragon Magia Master x2 Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon x1 Invoked Mechaba x1 Predaplant Dragostapelia x1 Granguignol the Dusk Dragon x2 Garura, Wings of Resonant Life x1 Despian Luluwalilith x1 Baronne de Fleur x1 Blue-Eyes Spirit Dragon x1 Borreload Savage Dragon x1 S:P Little Knight x1 I:P Masquerena x1 Artemis, the Magistus Moon Maiden x1 Try this on EDO. No blue eyes cause ultimate fusion of course but it is pretty consistent on summoning dragon magia. Cool video
The reason why you couldn't find Dragon Magia Master on the database is because you were using the English version of the database, where it doesn't show cards that have not been released in that language yet, Dragon Magia Master is up on the Japanese version of the database since it's out in there and the ruling you saw from Jonikku's video is there too
I think the trick is in the line "that mentions 'Blue-Eyes White Dragon' or 'Blue-Eyes Ulitmate Dragon' as material, by shuffling the fusion materials listed on it." The only monster listed by name is BEUD, so doing the Nadir Servant combo from last video that dumps BEUD for Ultimate Fusion works, even if using Albaz-arc cards is pretty cringe. However, it can't shuffle three "Blue-Eyes monsters" as the replacement for BEUD because it's possible that none of the Blue-Eyes monsters are BEWD or BEUD, thereby retroactively making it an illegal play because Ultimate Fusion requires you shuffle either BEWD or BEUD that is also listed as fusion material. Just another example of Konami giving card text exactly too little practical foresight that makes it oddly restrictive in the strangest ways; this would've been perfectly fine if Ultimate Fusion said "mentions a 'Blue-Eyes' monster," which could still include BEWD/BEUD for the purposes of its later naming pop effect, while letting it work with Magia.
Well from my own research it's up in the air on whether it will be harsh or not on the ruling,from my understanding the easiest way to summon this card is to king of the swamp ultimate dragon,and ultimate fusion with chaos max dragon,3 cards to bring it out instead of 4,but if it stays the other way than it just gives us another summoning option with ultimate fusion. plus king of the swamp searches poly.
I think if your love is in Blue-eyes, that should be the archetype you should firstly go for, no matter how relevant it is VS the Meta and we would love to see all your unique versions of it!! (If you like Labrynth, go for it) The game is constantly changing, so meta now will change anyway, but the love for the game is eternally more important and wont get you bored (TCG Meta now is the Fire King and Rescue-Ace, which is not even full power or exist in MD anyway, we can also wait)
You don't even have to snort the red pill on this one, read ultimate fusion again, it specifies blue eyes white dragon, or blue eyes ultimate dragon, and combined with what magia says about 3 blue eyes "MONSTERS" or a blue eyes ultimate dragon, you can't cheat it out. Experience: 20 years playing Yu-Gi-Oh. Edit: Ultimate fusion is not weirdly worded, both exactly specify what you can summon, and how, it's why you can't go straight into dragoon with Branded Fusion...that one being more obvious. Edit 2: The reason WHY this was change, was to prevent the card from being no brained out by Branded, which would be even easier to bring out. Using a chaos monster, and a fusion substitute via branded fusion, they can then use ultimate magic to bring out this card for literally free, as magia specifically states blue eyes ultimate dragon. Essentially, Branded Fusion into Sanctifire, then ultimate fusion to bring out that fusion monster. The thing is, you still need a chaos monster on hand, I think?
I still don't understand the stigma that Dark Magician and Blue-Eyes players have with playing their favorite anime cards and then the decks not being more "pure"? Since the dawn of Yugioh, the most successful meta decks were ALWAYS a combination of various different card types and engines. Very rarely was the best deck ever a "pure" type of deck. You guys shouldn't feel guilty or think that you aren't enjoying some of your favorites because you're mixing it with other competitive and meta cards to make playing your deck more viable.
@@FeritTheBandit "editing these videos fun." If that is your priority, in spite of your audience saying otherwise (note, your audience won't understand the editing process), then you do you. Don't say I didn't warn you though.
Wait a minute, can I used 2 blues eyes dragons and one blue eyes chaos max dragon to summon this? I mean Chaos Max count as the 3rd blue eyes and also the chaos material
Ultimate fusion can only use BEUD as fusion materials because Dragon Magia mentioned BEUD as material. It's goes like this Ultimate Fusion: BEUD + any "Chaos" that includes other 2 BE "Chaos" Dragons or Black Luster Soldiers = Dragon Magia Master Ultimate Fusion can't use other BE monsters as fusion materials because this card says BEWD as fusion materials, while Dragon Mafia says 'BE' as materials.
So is it even worth running ultimate fusion? It doesn’t pop anything unless it’s a blue eyes from the field and that’s mostly what I use it to avoid. And to reload cards to draw into my deck to draw again
Tbf its less about a ruling, but rather about ultimates fusions wording. Sadly it clearly says that you have to use the listed material if you want to summon a Fusion that needs ultimate dragon. Which means you have to shuffle back an ultimate dragon, because you cant use 3 blue eyes monsters
The Destroy cards up to the Number of Blue eyes monsters used for the material and Master duel nerf the heck out of it.... But Bystial and Shastria are top... I'm bring Kaiba Back harder than before.
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I was on the English Version of the site and not the Japanese Version which is why I couldn't find it in the data base but my other points still stands.
Wats up
It's worth looking at Red-Eyes Fusion for ruling precident. Red-Eyes Fusion lets you Fusion from deck by sending materials including a "Red-Eyes" Monster which is listed as material on said Fusion. The Red-Eyes Fusions range from specifically mentioning "Red-Eyes Black Dragon" to "Red-Eyes" Monster of some specification.
Dragoon in particular Requires a Red-Eyes or a Dragon Effect Monster but if using Red-Eyes Fusion you need to send Red-Eyes Black Dragon but if summoning with regular Poly, then it is fine. Applying this to Ultimate Fusion, you should be able to summon it using 3 Blue-Eyes White Dragons and Chaos Ritual Monster because while BEWD is not specifically listed as material, Ultimate Dragon is and that fulfills the requirements of Ultimate Fusion.
Actually, no. Exactly because of Red-Eyes Fusion's precedent you cannot use 3 Blue-Eyes White Dragon as material for Utimate Fusion. When you use a Fusion spell that requires the mention of a certain material, and you attempt to summon a monster that has an alternate material requirement as well, the game basically treats it as the alternate material requirement not existing at all. If you use Ultimate Fusion for Dragon Magia Master, it effectively only says "Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon" + 1 "Black Luster Soldier" or "Chaos" Ritual monster.
By your logic, you would be able to summon Red-Eyes Dark Dragoon with Red-Eyes Fusion by sending a "Red-Eyes" effect monster, which you aren't allowed to do. The only material requirement that fulfills the condition of mentioning a "Red-Eyes" monster is "Red-Eyes Black Dragon", so you can only send it to the GY, and not any other Red-Eyes effect monster.
Ultimate Fusion says "ULTIMATE DRAGON" & "BEWD" in quotations and Magia says "BE ULTIMATE DRAGON" & 3 "BE" monsters in quotations. Therefore "Ultimate Dragon" monsters meet the criteria of both cards, and so does "BEWD". "BEWD" MONSTERS does not because they are not mentioned on Ultimate Fusion because BEWD is specific and Ultimate Dragon is not. Also Ultimate Dragon meets the 3 BE monsters criteria also since they have BE in their names.
Cards that work with both Magia & Ultimate Fusion:
BEWD, BEUD, Neo BEWD, BE Alternative UD, BEAWD (treated as BEWD), & Chaos/BLS Ritual Monsters. That's simple to understand.
@@jobejacobs62 Pretty sure NBEUD and BEAUD won't work with Ultimate Fusion since they aren't strictly BEUD as per Magia's materials' names, otherwise it may as well have been "1 Level-12 Blue-Eyes Fusion Monster" which would've been worse.
@@CombaticonI really dont play BEWD. That archetype is trash. Thanks for informing me. So its BEUD 3 times or 1 BEUD. Interesting.
I’m only upset that some of these archetypes make boss monsters for far less cost lmao it took 20 years for blue eyes to get a negate and they might as well have just kept it
they had veiler.
as far as i understand, this ruling should be incorrect.
Ultimate fusion says "by shuffling **the fusion materials listed on it** from your hand, field and/or GY to your deck" and does not specify that the fusion materials listed have to be either BEUD or specifically BEWD.
the specification of BEWD/BEUD is the criteria for which fusion monsters you can summon by the effect of ultimate fusion.
i.e.
you are supposed to fusion summon a monster with BEUD/BEWD as its materials, but the requirement is that the materials required for its summon must be shuffled into the deck from the required zones. these two specifications on the card are separate. i can't think of a specific example but from what i know (and i could be wrong as i'm no expert, so feel free to correct me), if the requirement was that the fusion monster must contain either of these monsters as its material, and then you had to shuffle "**THOSE** FUSION MATERIALS AND ANY LISTED ON IT" and not "**THE** FUSION MATERIALS LISTED ON IT" (forgive me if my wording isn't 100% with the errata, but i'm trying to clarify the distinction here).
if you look at fusion deployment, although the effects are different, they deal with the same kind of requirement: fusion materials on a specific fusion card in the extra deck. it clearly says "1 of the Fusion Materials whose name is specifically listed on that card", and clearly Ultimate Fusion should have a similar kind of distinction if the requirement for the materials on a card has to be identical to the materials used in the fusion summon, because it clearly doesn't, and it means this kind of ruling is mistaken. because Ultimate Fusion does not tell you that the cards eligible for the summon have to use the exact materials listed on the card... unless i'm ignorant and that's a ruling that's part of the master rule.
edit: fixed some spelling mistakes, and remembered to recommend YGO Omega as the better alternative to EDOPro (not to discredit them or project Ignis), the staff is more meticulous with the rulings and have reliable native japanese speakers that can cross-reference OCG and TCG rulings and interpretations of the text for errata in case any confusions like this arise, they also fix any issues or glitches quite fast and clearly label any unfinished or unpolished cards with a fat BETA icon to let you know there might be hiccups with rulings or how the card functions in the simulator still... all in all a better experience imo, so if i'm wrong with my interpretation they'll have likely done the same, but i've been able to summon Dragon Magia Master with Ultimate Fusion no problem on that simulator.
You're wrong on this. Every Fusion Spell with similar wording to Ultimate Fusion works like the way he's describing in the video. Red-Eyes Fusion has to use Red-Eyes when summoning Dragoon, Branded Fusion has to use Albaz, etc.
You cannot use Red-Eyes Fusion to Summon Dragoon without using REBD and instead using a Dragon Effect monster. Same ruling applies here.
Pre-Preration of Rites works in Vendread because while Origins can be used for any Vendread Ritual Monster, it specifically mentions "Revendread Slayer" later in it's text (the GY protection effect). This qualifies two cards to be searched with Pre-Prep. The same should apply to Ultimate Fusion and Dragon Magia Master. I hope Konami fixes this ruling.
"...by shuffling the Fusion Materials listed on it from your..."
Not any fusion materials, the ones listed on the card, AKA Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon.
They really don't care much when they make new support for the most popular archetypes, it's so weird, no other card game does this.
2:00 This is why I like Speed Duel format, the skills in Duel Links for Blue-Eyes, Dark Magician, & Neos that let you normal summon them are awesome. Turns an archetype that's overly bricky to one that's very consistent. Too bad you can only play Speed Duel through Duel Links so you have to surrender your life savings to Konami in order to play silly non-meta decks. Yeah, I'll stick to Master Duel lol
Konami negated the blue eyes negate
LOL Truuuuu
Yeah, I found this ruling out by accident a few days ago on edopro as well. It makes Nadir Servant or Fusion Armament a necessary run.
IK that's so unfortunate that Magia is a lot easier to summon in a Branded deck than a Blue-Eyes one, kind of annoying that that's the case tbh.
@@FeritTheBandit I've been combining Blue-Eyes with Branded for the past year or so so I don't feel too at lost for it, but I know what you mean.
Yeah I just started doing it to. Nadir Servant has so much utility.@@ChaosDarkLight
If you are fine with making a fun non-competitive deck, I'd like to see a Red-Eyes Kashtira deck, or a Magnet Warrior deck that uses the "Imperion" fusion monster :)
I play blue eyes so yes I'm fine with non-competitive decks lmaoo
@@FeritTheBandit I main Dark Magician so bring on the fun decks 😎
I ain't gonna lie i thought everyone knew this. I had planned on using ultimate fusion to summon it in dogmatika since I can use blue eyes ultimate dragon to summon alba zoa so i was never concerned about the fusion requirements. Its a 2 card combo with ultimate fusion or bingo machine go combined with nadir servant if ur interested in making it as well. Just use magicians souls and illusion of chaos so that u can get some extra draw power and the illusion can be ur other fusion requirement.
Same. I was pretty surprised everyone was so surprised when ultimate fusion checks for Blue-Eyes White Dragon and the Ultimate Dragon as part of the fusion material before it makes you shuffle em. Dogmatika was a instant good choice when its all about dumping ED monsters.
Essentially, the cards listed on both Ultimate Fusion and the fusion monster itself must match for the effect to resolve properly. In this case, only Blue-eyes Ultimate Dragon meets that requirement.
If Ultimate Fusion NEEDS to use Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon as material, that would make Master of Dragon Magia absolutely unplayable, at least in the deck builds that all the big TH-camrs (and yours truly) have created. It was actually the deck that I was going to create to get me back into Yu-Gi-Oh, but if this new ruling stands, I guess I’ll just stick to duel links and master duel.
That's understandable. This card would only be playable in a branded deck or one that's forced to use fusion armament. I'm not saying that archetype is bad or that card is bad, I'd just rather the line in my last video be an option.
Anyone who was doing that line of play didn't fully understand the fusion mechanic. But as a fellow Blue-Eyes player there are still easy ways to get a turn 1 Dragon Master Magician and it shouldn't be hard to find. Definitely can't wait to get that card in the TCG and take it to a regional.
I’m so happy that my yt feed is now consistently filled with small content creators now. Love seeing good shit made by ppl on the come up
Yep ultimate fusion needs to shuffle back one of blue eyes white dragon or ultimate WHILE one of those is specifically listed on the fusion card as material. So if ultimate dragon is listed you shuffle ultimate dragon, if BEWD is listed shuffle at least one BEWD.
The whole “blue eyes monster” thing is an issue that the archetype has been dealing with forever. Some cards only mention/list BEWD and some only Blue Eyes Monsters. If they had just said “or 3 Blue Eyes White dragons” then Magia would be playable. There’s never a need to put these kind of restrictions on a card especially when it kills any synergy it would have with in archetype spells/traps.
BEWD, DM, and REBD get the shaft when it comes to usable support.
EDIT: Fusion Tag could be useful in this situation
could have been "(or 1 BEWD + 2 "Blue-eyes" monsters)" if they wanted to fix it.
Maybe we get another ultimate retrain which is treated as ultimate and has this summoning condition.
Honestly the most future proof solution would be "a LVL 10 or higher Blue-Eyes Fusion monster" but that would still not be able to be used by ultimate fusion.
@@Swagorath they just need to stop messing around and list BEWD as material for all its fusions. It’s ridiculous, not like the deck would be cracked with magia.
@@MajinVegito100 honestly the card is playable with fusion Substitutes.
But i am sure the obvios intent was to be able to use ultimate Fusion.
Simply (or simpler) put, it specifically says "Blue-Eyes White Dragon" or "Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon" as material for "Ultimate Fusion" and, thus, the Fusion has to _specifically_ mention either BEWD or BEUD as its materials in addition to using those materials - Magia says 'Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon (or 3 "Blue-Eyes" monsters)'.
Shorter, Ultimate Fusion only allows Fusion Summoning monsters that specifically mention BEWD or BEUD, so only using with BEUD for Magia is allowed.
Also, I was wrong about this myself due to this wierd technicality - no other Blue-Eyes Fusion has this issue.
Bro Stuff like this irks me. I will never forgive Konami for making Eye of Timeus unsearchable
I WAS JUST THINKING THAT!
All white bricks 😂😂😂 I’m subbing
Some things that really grind my gears are misleading PSCT (problem “causing” card text), and nitty-gritty semantics. The card Ultimate Fusion does not tell you what cards you have to use for material, just refers to some things being listed. Update your wording to reflect that interaction or reverse this ruling for any justice for Blue-Eyes.
Fer sure.
Main Deck:
Blazing Cartesia, the Virtuous x3
Toy Soldier x1
Toy Tank x1
King of the Swamp x3
Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring x3
Magicians' Souls x3
Illusion of Chaos x3
Polymerization x2
Pot of Desires x3
Fusion Armament x3
Dragon's Mirror x3
Foolish Burial x1
Preparation of Rites x2
Toy Box x3
Infinite Impermanence x3
Necro Fusion x3
Extra Deck:
Dragon Magia Master x2
Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon x1
Invoked Mechaba x1
Predaplant Dragostapelia x1
Granguignol the Dusk Dragon x2
Garura, Wings of Resonant Life x1
Despian Luluwalilith x1
Baronne de Fleur x1
Blue-Eyes Spirit Dragon x1
Borreload Savage Dragon x1
S:P Little Knight x1
I:P Masquerena x1
Artemis, the Magistus Moon Maiden x1
Try this on EDO. No blue eyes cause ultimate fusion of course but it is pretty consistent on summoning dragon magia. Cool video
The reason why you couldn't find Dragon Magia Master on the database is because you were using the English version of the database, where it doesn't show cards that have not been released in that language yet, Dragon Magia Master is up on the Japanese version of the database since it's out in there and the ruling you saw from Jonikku's video is there too
Oh okay thank you for that.
I think the trick is in the line "that mentions 'Blue-Eyes White Dragon' or 'Blue-Eyes Ulitmate Dragon' as material, by shuffling the fusion materials listed on it." The only monster listed by name is BEUD, so doing the Nadir Servant combo from last video that dumps BEUD for Ultimate Fusion works, even if using Albaz-arc cards is pretty cringe. However, it can't shuffle three "Blue-Eyes monsters" as the replacement for BEUD because it's possible that none of the Blue-Eyes monsters are BEWD or BEUD, thereby retroactively making it an illegal play because Ultimate Fusion requires you shuffle either BEWD or BEUD that is also listed as fusion material.
Just another example of Konami giving card text exactly too little practical foresight that makes it oddly restrictive in the strangest ways; this would've been perfectly fine if Ultimate Fusion said "mentions a 'Blue-Eyes' monster," which could still include BEWD/BEUD for the purposes of its later naming pop effect, while letting it work with Magia.
Well from my own research it's up in the air on whether it will be harsh or not on the ruling,from my understanding the easiest way to summon this card is to king of the swamp ultimate dragon,and ultimate fusion with chaos max dragon,3 cards to bring it out instead of 4,but if it stays the other way than it just gives us another summoning option with ultimate fusion. plus king of the swamp searches poly.
using 3 would be a pain hence the new support cards which helps pull of magia easier.
The card can only be found on the Japanese database. You need to switch the language to JP first, then type the card ID.
Yeah someone just told me that. Thanks.
The Konami designers are absolutely brain dead at this point. This ruling is mind-numbingly idiotic.
I think if your love is in Blue-eyes, that should be the archetype you should firstly go for, no matter how relevant it is VS the Meta and we would love to see all your unique versions of it!! (If you like Labrynth, go for it)
The game is constantly changing, so meta now will change anyway, but the love for the game is eternally more important and wont get you bored (TCG Meta now is the Fire King and Rescue-Ace, which is not even full power or exist in MD anyway, we can also wait)
You don't even have to snort the red pill on this one, read ultimate fusion again, it specifies blue eyes white dragon, or blue eyes ultimate dragon, and combined with what magia says about 3 blue eyes "MONSTERS" or a blue eyes ultimate dragon, you can't cheat it out.
Experience: 20 years playing Yu-Gi-Oh.
Edit: Ultimate fusion is not weirdly worded, both exactly specify what you can summon, and how, it's why you can't go straight into dragoon with Branded Fusion...that one being more obvious.
Edit 2: The reason WHY this was change, was to prevent the card from being no brained out by Branded, which would be even easier to bring out. Using a chaos monster, and a fusion substitute via branded fusion, they can then use ultimate magic to bring out this card for literally free, as magia specifically states blue eyes ultimate dragon.
Essentially, Branded Fusion into Sanctifire, then ultimate fusion to bring out that fusion monster. The thing is, you still need a chaos monster on hand, I think?
I still don't understand the stigma that Dark Magician and Blue-Eyes players have with playing their favorite anime cards and then the decks not being more "pure"? Since the dawn of Yugioh, the most successful meta decks were ALWAYS a combination of various different card types and engines. Very rarely was the best deck ever a "pure" type of deck. You guys shouldn't feel guilty or think that you aren't enjoying some of your favorites because you're mixing it with other competitive and meta cards to make playing your deck more viable.
There was too much of that scene change gimmick at the beginning of your video, I know you're excited and all, but it's better to tone that down.
True lol. And a lot of the added scenes didn't add anything to the vid
Maybe so but it makes editing these videos fun.
Agreed, it needs to be balanced or it can draw people away because it can get repetitive and annoying.
@@FeritTheBandit "editing these videos fun."
If that is your priority, in spite of your audience saying otherwise (note, your audience won't understand the editing process), then you do you. Don't say I didn't warn you though.
I feel like the way he did it didn’t disrupt the flow of his vid @feritthebandit
No no. The ruling is right. It basically the reason why you must use red-eyes black dragon when summoning dragoon. And not any dragon effect monster.
This ruling made no sense.
Wait a minute, can I used 2 blues eyes dragons and one blue eyes chaos max dragon to summon this? I mean Chaos Max count as the 3rd blue eyes and also the chaos material
You should do D/D/D they're pretty good even if it's pure
My copium is telling me there's going to be more Blue-Eyes support coming, and this was Konamis plan all along
*takes a deep breath*
I know there's a new Dark Magician Card that's coming out this month. The effect details haven't been released yet but Konami's been hyping it up.
So this card is useless? Will greater fusion work?
You are searching in the English database. Use the japanese database (with Google translate).
I don´t understand because It says u can use blue eyes ultimate dragon, why ultimate fusion does´nt work?
Ultimate fusion can only use BEUD as fusion materials because Dragon Magia mentioned BEUD as material. It's goes like this
Ultimate Fusion: BEUD + any "Chaos" that includes other 2 BE "Chaos" Dragons or Black Luster Soldiers = Dragon Magia Master
Ultimate Fusion can't use other BE monsters as fusion materials because this card says BEWD as fusion materials, while Dragon Mafia says 'BE' as materials.
I'm new but I liked the last video, so I'm staying. Play stellarknights, I think they're cool.
So is it even worth running ultimate fusion? It doesn’t pop anything unless it’s a blue eyes from the field and that’s mostly what I use it to avoid. And to reload cards to draw into my deck to draw again
Maybe if you're running fusion armament? But idk about that card. I have to play test it.
Id like to see a mikanko deck if you havent done that already
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LMFAOOOOO I just woke up and read this. I appreciate this.
Just use "Dragons Mirror and call it a Day
do a red dragon archfiend deck. optimised for ranked if you can
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Tbf its less about a ruling, but rather about ultimates fusions wording. Sadly it clearly says that you have to use the listed material if you want to summon a Fusion that needs ultimate dragon. Which means you have to shuffle back an ultimate dragon, because you cant use 3 blue eyes monsters
The Destroy cards up to the Number of Blue eyes monsters used for the material and Master duel nerf the heck out of it.... But Bystial and Shastria are top... I'm bring Kaiba Back harder than before.
dude just make neo ultimate mill og ultimate and there you have it
FOR FK SAKES JUST PLAY DRAGONS MIRROR AND KING OF THE SWAMP!
*teehee*
Dude just make alt accounts and get the gems they give you at the start 😭
Edopro is NOT under any circumstances a official resource for ruling or interactions, every serious competitive player should be aware of that.
Also on a unrelated note I suggest you tone down your editing, it's more obnoxious than funny at this point.
Have a good day nonetheless.
Do a predaplant deck
Fluffals
Breaking news! Blue eyes card bad! Come back next time for a DM card that punishes you more than the opponent!
Play Branded!!!
I've been considering this since I've been running Nadir Servant in all my blue eyes decks as of recent.
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