Jim Cornette on Why Steve Austin vs. Hulk Hogan Never Happened
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- From Episode 178 of Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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It would have been awesome to see Hogan start to "Hulk Up" and Austin flip him the middle finger, kick him in the gut and give him the stunner.
And that's how it should've ended
Then hogan would no sell it, pop up immediately and do a "no no" finger and then slam, big boot, leg drop, win like he always do.
And then Hogan would have just jumped and and no sold the Stunner.
Then see Hogan no-sell it like he did with so many finishers.
@@jordanhutton5787 hulk up big boot legdrop. Hulk's the bigger name the reason you even know of the name steve austin or wrestlemania. Hogan is going over brother
When Jim said " look at the job he did " I busted out laughing .
Cornette was right though. Rock had to sell the hulk up and flexing.... Austin is not the character or personality to sell that kind of theatric. Hats off to Steve for sticking it to the guy. Hogan, to this day, is still bothered he never had a program with Austin.
@@captainjaber5610 Yeah you get it Cap . Hogan gonna always get all his shit in , especially the cheep pops for the flexing at the end when you gotta hear " Real American " for 2 hours .
Honestly, what kind of job do you and Cornette expect? A fucking squash match???? LOL
@@corymoore1530 So what?
@@kwrbt2979 No, but professionals don’t try to exploit the crowd. If the crowd is rooting for you, great... But don’t try to make the other guy look like a fool in the process or damage their reputation. That’s what Hogan always did and he exploited Rock in Toronto because he knew they were gonna be behind him there. Perfect example was at WMX7 with Austin and Rock, Austin knew the crowd was behind him in Texas but he didn’t exploit that during the match to hurt the Rock. He didn’t direct the cheers his way any further than they were.
To go from eating raw potatoes to be the biggest Draw in the business that's motivation for yuh...
Not just the biggest draw, ONCE in a lifetime draw
josh mulligan rock was a bigger draw
Fay, really strong argument, hard to disagree with. Long term world popularity? For sure no comparison. Height of monday night wars? Gotta give it to stone cold
Exactly, being offered 25 grand for one night's work for OVW?! Nobody makes that kinda money even now!
@@joshmulligan950 Exactly. People who think Rock eclipsed Austin either didn't live through it, or just can't remember things clearly. No one, and I mean NO ONE was as hot as Austin was in 1998-99. Also, Rock's rise to top babyface happened when Austin was out nearly a year recovering from neck surgery. So again, Rock didn't 'beat' Austin out for anything (except Hollywood).
At least Steve Austin respectfully refused to have the match,Shawn on the other hand trolled Hogan hard in their SummerSlam match because Hogan didn't want to job for Shawn
Tbf, you cant blame shawn for acting like that. It was supposed to be a 3 match series, with HBK winning one match and Hogan winning the others. Instead Hogan begs Vince to turn shawn heel and makes him lose a one and done match. Shawn was a prick, but unlike Hogan he changed his ways. All shawn did in the mid 00s was job. Hbk losing to Hogan in 05 is the equivalent of goldberg beating the fiend in Saudi Arabia. An old part time beating the full time wrestler in their prime.
Yeah he did and it was awesome, brother
Fuck Hogan. He didn’t want to do business the right way so Shawn said fuck’em.
@@travissecrist4693 Shawn of ALL people has no room to talk about "doing business the right way"
Imagine if that was 90’s Shawn Michaels that Hulk Hogan had to do business with.
Says a lot about how great The Rock is. Can adapt to any circumstance. WM 17 in Houston (pro Austin) WM 18 in Toronto (pro Hogan). Two Great matches.
Rocky wasn’t that good
The Rock wasn't ever on the elite level of Hogan & Austin bottom line. After twenty years on top Hulk Hogan just hijacked the crowd from the Rock and went on to steal the entire show.
That wouldn't have happened with Austin at any location. Once Hogan flexed for the crowd and they cheered him Austin would've flipped Hogan off and gain control of the crowd again.
@@matthewcollins8602 There is no way in hell that Austin would have out popped Hogan at Mania 18 in Toronto. Even Austin himself said he wouldn't want to get boo'd like Rock did. And as far as Rock not being elite like Hogan and Austin.. Well by mid 1999 Rock was on Austin's level. By 2000 he had surpassed him. Going into 2001 Rock was the face of the WWF. Look at the opening segment with the first XFL Program.. They went with Rock greeting the national Audience first. Then Taker, and third was Austin. Look at the ratings when Austin was out and Rock was in..Rock outdrew him. Mania 17 was in Texas imagine if it has been in Miami. I think as far as in ring popularity that Austin edged
Rock out but outside the ring...The Rock is the biggest star in the history of professional wrestling.
@@ErikBrantley33 Austin wouldn't have been booed, especially in Canada, they love him there and is over as hell; but Toronto is without question also Hogan country, predominately. Your Rock argument over Austin is just inaccurate; Rock pretty much rode off of Austin's back and was thriving on a product Austin already brought to the damn top. Rock had nothing to prove or built, the platform was there. Austin and Hogan are both once in a lifetime megastars; you won't see them ever again. Rock can't say the same.
@@captainjaber5610 Austin may not have been boo'd in Toronto but he wasnt outpopping Hogan that particular night.I agree that Austin built it but Rock without a doubt got to Austin's level in terms of popularity by mid 1999. In fact there was even talks of turning him heel then because of it. I remember many nights that Rocky chants from the crowd over Austin chants. I gave you examples with the ratings and the XFL. The Rock,Hogan,and Austin are the top 3 biggest names in modern day wrestling history but Rock beats them both in terms of outside the ring success. The Rock was the highest paid actor of all time(in one year) in either 2018 or 2019. I personally think that Austin is the singe most popular(in terms of in ring)wrestler of all time. Interesting thought that in Pro Wrestling Illustrated Magazine that Austin only won the award once in 1998 But Rock won it in 1999(Austin came in 2nd) and 2000
I think It just came down to Rock was going to have better chemistry with Hogan than Austin would.. not saying Rock is better but he would gel with Hogan more. Match was fantastic and the right move was made to make rock go over clean
No, it came down to the fact that Austin didnt want to do it. Simple.
PHB Music Yes because Steve Austin was never gonna sell a stupid ass Hulk Up
Austin vs Macho would have been better.
Ya, there were just way more parallels between Hogan and The Rock, AND since Rock could switch from heel to face to heel in a way Austin couldn't he was more suited for the job. I'm sure as well that the entire time Vince prob knew that the crowd was going to turn Hogan face, and with Austin just having turned face after that heel run it made even less sense
Tony th-cam.com/video/SzFBnZUEmFc/w-d-xo.html Austin pretty much lays out why he didn’t want to wrestle Hogan here
The Rock never lost to Hogan, though...
Because he the 🐐🐐🐐🐐
Hogan pinned Rock clean in a tag match on Raw prior to Mania
I think Jim’s last point was actually more correct, they were in Toronto. This was back when wrestlers still dominated cities, and Hulk still ran the North East. If they were in Texas, then I’m sure Austin would have done it. But coming off a failed heel run, trying to establish himself as a baby face was important then. Austin against Hogan in Toronto would have been very bad for Austin. If the WM was in a Southern city, or Texas, then I think Austin would have more than likely done it, he could have had an easier time convincing Vince he should go over, although at the time I knew Hogan was losing to someone at WMX8, and he knew he’d have the fans.
I think he was conflating Hogan/Rock and Hogan/HBK.
@@irishwhammy exactly
That just shows the type of respect that SCSA has for Danny Davis, it only took some encouragement to go through some of the worst times in life.
Piper never laid down for hogan
Austin was scared of being outpopped and he would have been jealous of the crowd reaction.
CORNETTE is WRESTLING
“Look at the job he did”
Yeah....and? What was wrong? He lost cleanly to the Rock.
I was quoting Jim. Cry harder about it.
They had one of the greatest matches ever and Hogan lost clean....pretty decent job I'd say...
I think he was making the point that he would’ve refused to lose clean to Austin.
Win, lose or draw, Hogan was willing to do the match and Austin wasn't so you can rip Hogan all you want (most insecure people do) but it wasn't like Austin was the easiest to work with either.
Hogan never beat up women either
@@johneaston918 and women never beat up men either?? most fights go fifty fifty, though either side can get out of hand at times... fighting is still human, not going over board and having enough restraint to not do things that leaves you in a permanently bad situation is another story...
Austin refused Brock Lesnar & Goldberg too
@@aoisora1445 do you know how stupid that comment sounds?
@@melvynsngltn27 the Rock the only guy who seemed to put everyone over
I need people offering me $25 grand in paper bags more then it happens currently
Rock played the fool,Steve Austin never did.
True
Hollywood was calling him anyway. He did everything he was asked to do in the business, losing when it mattered for the business, putting over new stars (Lesnar, Goldberg) at main events, had to share the spotlight with Austin at Backlash 2000 which was his first time as wwe champion as a face, no main event wm victories until 2012 (which he deserved) yet didn't hold any grudges. The Rock should've won the wwe title at Miami vs. Cena, instead of the cringey Punk. Summer of Punk should've never happened. Nobodh cared about Punk vs Jericho, HHH vs Taker at Miami anyway.
The main reason I never understood the Austin Vs Brock match for Monday night Raw was the fact it was a King Of The Ring qualifying match 🤔 Austin won it 96 why would he compete in the tournament in 2002...The King Of The Ring was designed for up and coming future stars going to the next level
Austin was a coward
@@melvynsngltn27
Point on the doll where Austin hurt you.
Always got the idea Austin couldn't trust Hogan to do the job.
Also Jarrett dating Debra McMichael after she and Mongo divorced, then she left him for Austin when Jeff returned to WWF in 98.
I'm sure she regretted that.
I've always assumed Debra and JJ were probably dating when they came over, but never heard any confirmation from any wrestlers
They never dated Jarrett was married to his first wife at the time.
JJ was married at the time to his first wife who had just been diagnosed with cancer. He wasn’t dating Debra.
I love the creativity in these thumbnails
The crowd would never and did never turn on Austin the way they did Rocky. And it would have been a terrible match in 2002 because Hogan couldnt keep up with Steve at that point. Even though Austin's health was rapidly declining at the time, he still would have ran circles around and stomped a mud hole in old Hulkster. It's a great what if tho
Um yes they would of because it was hogan's first wreslemania in 9 years only Bret would of had the crowd split
@studio732jrl2 um yes it was hogan's first wwe match in 9 years Austin was there every week he would of got booded just like the rock did the only person that would of got cheered against hogan that night would of been bret if he came back.
I agree with Austin summation that the styles would clash, especially at that time in Hogans career age wise. And Hogan was never gonna put the Rattlesnake over. Too stubborn to admit he had an equal.
But Hogan ultimately put the rock over, didn't he?
Austin was big for like 5 years. Hogan CAUSED 2 separate wrestling booms and was big for over 20 years. Austin was never on Hogan's level. It was apples to oranges. There was no reason to do the match as no matter how you slice it it would damage both characters. Hence why they never did it.
@@strongereveryday2302 LMFAO Nobody gave a crap about Hogan in the 90s they were over the super hero, prayers and vitamins gimmick he had to turn heel to stay relevant...NWO Hogan was never on the same level as Austin there was no NWO without Hall and Nash, Hell there is no universe where Hogans merch sold like Austin's...Caused a boom in the 90s LMFAO that boom was because of Austin, WWF went public on the back of Austin..
@@lutherheggs451 Um Yes...the boom in the 90's was well underway 2 years before Austin was very big. And Hogan Turning heel MADE the NWO. You obviously weren't watching wrestling back then.
@@strongereveryday2302 To be fair Hogan was also a major part of 2 companies going out of business with WCW and TNA. If he was that big of draw at the time during WCW they wouldn't of gone under. Yea management was to blame but wrestlers were responsible also. At that time Rock and Austin easily surpassed Hogan as a draw and even popularity. They were one of the main reasons why WWE beat WCW even Vince knows it
Wow is Jim way off the mark with his theory on why this match didn't happen. The match didn't happen because Steve didn't want it to, end of story. Hulk wouldn't have had any issues doing the job.
Austin’s character isn’t designed to sell the “theatrics” . Hogan saw Austin and rock as two different animals. Austin will never sell a hulk up or muscle flex. And Hogan made sure he did all of that before Rock grabbed the W. That’s why Jim said look at the “job” he did.
@@captainjaber5610 I totally understand that, what I'm trying to say is the only reason the match didn't happen is because Steve didn't want to work with Hulk. When Hulk came back to the WWE in '02 he wanted to work with Steve first instead of The Rock. Jim makes it sound like Hulk wasn't interested in working with Steve which is total non sense. Hulk was totally willing to do the job for Steve.
@@kyleolson279 He never insinuated that, he just said Hogan didn’t want to do the job in the sense of Austin making Hogan look strong. At the end of the day, who would the crowd root for and who puts their ego to the side and sells for the other. Austin doing it for Hogan would ruin his character. Austin never trusted Hogan, if he trusted Hogan, it would have happened, even in Toronto. Even if Toronto booed Austin, Austin would never sell it; he just got done being a heel in 2001 and it nearly killed him .
"There was no business reason to do it." Gotta disagree with you there, brother. It would have been the biggest 1-3 matches in history. They both left a LOT of money on the table with this one. Could have done a Summerslam, Survivor Series or Royal Rumble, WrestleMania 3-pack. I'd have booked Austin going over clean in the first. Hogan dropping the leg in the second. And maybe a classic steel cage in the third where Hogan misses the final leg drop, Austin climbs out, Hogan heads for the door, and it's a race to see whose feet hit the floor first and the lights go out and 1996 Sting appears and Scorpion Death Drops them both lmao
Wouldn't of got Rock vs Hogan so it turned out for the best
Austin was right. Even all these years later, the idea of putting SCSA vs Lesnar on free tv is moronic.
Austin didn’t want to do business with Hogan. That’s well known. Now mentioning that Hogan lost to The Rock doesn’t absolve Hogan. At that point Hogan doing that job put him over more than it did anything else. I don’t blame Austin either. F*^% Hogan.
Every Hulk Hogan match ever...
- Hogan starts out strong and dominates, but his opponent rakes the eyes or lands a cheap shot which hurts Hogan.
- The opponent pounds on Hogan for several minutes.
- Hogan "Hulks Up" and suddenly he is impervious to punches.
- Hogan points and taunts the opponent.
- Hogan hits the boot to the face, then the leg drop.
- The end. Hogan wins.
Austin told the story about a pay-off he got after doing 2 regular shows, 2 spot shows & some spot shows for WCCW(who USWA was affiliated with at the time),when he looked at his check it was $25.
Stone Cold was the best wrestler in WWE history
Awesome Shoot Today Jim!!😎🐐🐐
I don’t think the crowd would’ve turned on Austin in Toronto or anywhere for that matter.
Only real finish should’ve been a Hulk up. Finger point and Austin shaking his head and hitting a Stunner. 1-2-3. Older wrestling fans want to ignore the fact Austin was the reason Hulks beloved WCW went out of business. So the only real Head To Head they ever really had, Austin won.
If Hogan can do the job for the Rock, he can do it for Austin. Austin was right not to have the match.
Instead he had a short match with Scott hall that he said he didn’t like anyways. Austin wasn’t a winner here. Hogan was. He was red hot after his match with Rock
@@jgeorge2693 Austin doesn’t care and never cared about wrestling Hogan. Hogan was dying to fight Steve and it was for that “check mark” as Cornette says. What they both say now is irrelevant, Austin wanted to screw Hogan and it worked. Karma is a bitch that he can’t work with arguably the biggest star in the business in Austin. Hogan got a taste of his own medicine.
I think Austin knew that a match between him and Hogan would have sucked. Hogan, even at that point, was broken up while Austin was dealing with his neck. It would just be a bunch of punches thrown back and forth & the crowd would have been disappointed. The wish would be greater than the reality....and in retrospect we'd be P*ssing on it.
Hulk's eye in the thumbnail are hilarious. Not sure if he's loving what's for dinner or wanting some of jim cornette!
The crowd would NEVER switch on Austin in Toronto. There were many people tired of the Rock to the point he was the heel by the next WM. This is why the crowd switched on the Rock.
Hogan lost to the rock. Not the other way around
Hogan was the star of the match, even though Rock had the pinfall.
@@TBrizzle01 so what, he got the clean win get over it.
Hogan stole the crowd and show from the Rock. Hogan was a few steps above and better than the Rock ever was. Austin on the other hand would've rivaled Hogan. Austin wouldn't have had to pivot into playing heel because he would've still been getting just as good a reaction as Hogan.
The Rock was fun and entertaining but he was NEVER at any point more over or charismatic as either Hulk Hogan or Steve Austin.
Bullshit
@@ConnerJordan7 Hogan & Austin carried the WWF at height of its popularity. That's a fact in every way possible to be figured.
The Rock was more of a Randy Savage and both were big stars but very much just the second best best behind Austin & Hogan.
I know but in todays world the rock is a bigger globally than both just saying
@ConnerJordan7 the Rock isn't bigger than either Hogan or Austin in the world of professional wrestling. In fact Dewayne Johnson the actor isn't even that popular nowadays which is why he's in WWE again. There's nothing that the Rock or Dewayne Johnson has ever done that would be considered the biggest or best. He's been no better than second fiddle in professional wrestling or in acting. Austin in Hogan literally carried the business for for guys like the Rock and Randy Savage to become big stars.
@matthewcollins8602 God these takes are just stupidly awful
Rock hogan would never be topped. At that point of time, I'd say rock was bigger than Austin and it made sense. Can't imagine Austin hogan having a very good match, but I'm not sure why
Hogan faced Rock twice. He lost both times.
Which is ironic because rock damn there jobbed to everybody at one time or the other
Yeah, how much he get paid both times?
Hogan lost clean the 1st and then was the victim of the second "Montreal Screwjob" at No Way Out 2003.
@@jdgustofwinddance.7748 what does that have to do with anything?
@@NickWuebker wow...i didn't know that Hogan is the only wrestler to have a match that doesn't end clean. I am so out of it i guess.
This is a Crock...Hogan Absolutely Would Have Agreed to Lose to Austin...That Match Would Have Generated a Huge Pay Day For Hogan as Well...He Even Says That Austin is The 1 Wrestler He Wished He Could Wrestle...Hogan Not Wanting to Job For Other Wrestlers is an Overblown False Narrative...Hogan is a Businessman
The classic line
Keep looking at it boy it ain’t gettin any bigger
What did he mean, There were no microwaves? Microwaves have been around since the Fortys.
Hogan and Michaels had the political battle of the century. The truth is Austin's shelf life was very small. When 2002 came, he was done. That was that. Austin knows he can't go anymore. And, if he did go, Hogan would be the exact wrong type of opponent because both guys would need people to bump for them to make them look good. It is like when KISS and Aerosmith toured together. "This is going to be GREAT!" Only, you saw KISS perform and then saw slowing down Aerosmith (I realize they're no older than KISS) performing several songs from their blues covers album headlining to a crowd exiting the building. What looks good on paper doesn't always map out. And, that would have been a disaster.
I don't care what anybody says:
I don't believe Austin vs Hogan would have been as electric.
I’ve been saying that for years yet Austin marks still will say otherwise. The dynamics between Rock and Hogan worked way more than it would have with Austin. They both match in size and weight, both had movie careers and Rocks match style fit what Hogan could do way more than Austin’s at the time. Also Austin wouldn’t have allowed himself to be out done in front of that crowd like Rock did. Once you got pass the entrances and the stare down the match would have been horrible because of the clash of styles.
The fans also wouldn't have picked Hogan over Austin. The Rock could work being a chicken shit heel with his persona
@@matthewcollins8602 yes they would have. You could have put Jesus Christ himself out there that night nobody was getting cheered over HH that night. The Rock didn’t even do any chicken shit heel moves in n that match…
@@jabroni_z2686 Only one performer for Vince has done more business than Hulk Hogan and that would be Steve Austin. The Rock ain't even in the top three 🤦♂️🤡
@@jabroni_z2686 business lesson for you also here. When Hogan locked up with the Rock and pushed him down and the Rock got big eyed and looked at the crowd like Ric Flair often did that was a chicken shit heel move.
You've been filling up on the Rock is your daddy stuff so long don't even notice the chicken shit anymore 🤣🤣
Finally. A common sense perspective. Well done CORNETTE!
Brian: But he did the job to Hogan
Corny: Look at the job he did.
oofff, now that I think about it, Toronto would have still gone for Hogan over Austin coz again, Hogan was back in E after a decade. They wanted Hulk so bad. Austin wouldn't have turned heel like Rock readily did. Them not having a match might be the greatest match of all time lol
It was not about the crowd turning or not, whether they cheered or booed, Austin was gonna be Stone Cold Steve Austin, the rattlesnake, it was more about Hogan exploiting an opportunity to trash Austin and try to weaken his character. That's what Jim was alluding to. Austin's character will never sell a Hulk Up or muscle flex.
Cornette you said it best.. Rock was different.
They tried to talk him into it and he said OK I’ll be right back and he just fucking left
I was AT that Toronto Show. (One of the only shows ive ever been.) I remember thinking 'this can't be what the writers are expecting' & 'what are they going to do now'? :)
The writers knew that Toronto crowd was going to be pro Hogan. Vince saw the cheers even from prior to WMX8 for Hogan; that's why he wanted to turn Hogan face. I am just not in the crowd that believes Austin would have been booed in Toronto against Hogan. I think it would be Pro Hogan, without question, but Austin would have had his fair share of pops and cheers.
@@captainjaber5610 strange thing is though... Hogan knew it was his crowd early but STILL played the heel. It wasn't until the end that he started doing 'classic Hulk' nostalgia moves (at Rocks request) that really jacked up the crowd. The crowd didn't *really* have a logical *reason* to root for Hogan until the match was over.
@@jonathanqpublic4549 Vince isn’t dumb, he knew they were gonna be pro Hogan and hence, the match shifted accordingly. The Hulk up wasn’t working with Austin’s character nor the flexing. Austin won’t sell that nor will Hogan sell Austin’s badass character.
Let me get this right in a shoot Austin Takes a prime Hogan?
when hulk hogan came back in 2002 was more over than austin
steve austin was afraid that people will boo himmmm and cheer hogan
Cause Austin knew that Hogan would try to do the same shit he always does. "Okay brother, I beat you once, then I beat you again and that will be the whole angle. Now you give me a stunner brother, and then I immediately pop up, give you the "no no" finger, then make a comeback, slam ya brother, then beat ya with a leg drop brother."
Bahahahahahaha so true
Don't forget his catchphrases after the end of match:
" Hulkamannia shall live forever"
"Hulkster fear no Men"
" Hulkamannia is here"
Whatchaaaaa you gonna do when the largest arms on the world runs wild on you?"
I don’t know if fans would have turned against Austin at Mania 18. Fans have always been fickle on the Rock....they’ve never been fickle on Stone Cold.
The event was in Toronto Canada, so there's a chance they would have booed Austin too.
Steve might look like a beer swilling redneck(he is) but he's not stupid. Like when he refused to do business with Brock Lesner. It's not that he didn't want to do business with Lesner, he didn't think it was a good idea to do it on free TV. He felt they can make more money on a PPV and he was right.
One word. Ego. Neither guy didn't want to put over the other. It would have been interesting if Austin got booed in Toronto. If someone like The Rock did, then I would guess Austin would have as well
I remember being so disappointed that Wrestlemania 18 wasn’t Austin vs. Hogan. As decent as Rock/Hogan was, in my mind it will always be the failed meant-to-be replacement for the real match we wanted. That has always made it hard for me to get into Rock and Hogan. It just reminds me of what I actually wanted to happen.
You wanted two over the hill, broken bodies to main event a wrestlemania? Why lol
@@paranoidewok6772 bro its Wrestling Entertainment and this was in 2002. They might not have been in their prime but they were far from being “broken bodies”. Every single wrestling fan wanted Austin vs Hogan!
@@sonicfrog2448 With Austin-Hogan, you would've to book two WrestleMania main events plus a storyline with 3-4-match series to claim who greatest of them ever is (storylinewise). Austin-Hogan tie would need return favours to each other and a solid storyline to pull it off considering their personality (both on and off screen). On the other hand, with The Rock, you hardly need a storyline or 3-4 match series/return favours. Rock-Hogan was a mainstream attraction and it didn't need a follow up storyline. NWO running over the Rock was actually cringe and never needed thay angle in the first place. Rock was taking a short break after WM X8 anyway. He was already a part-timer by WM X7. Even Rock-Austin 2 (X7) was more of a mainstream attraction than storyline heat which focused around Austin's comeback and reclaiming his spot and the climax was the end of Austin-McMahon rivalry. The hottest storyline going into WM X7 was between Austin and HHH which started in 1999. But, business-wise, Rock-Austin was the right call. The Rock actually had no strong storylines after King of the Ring 2000. He became bigger by that point and was an attraction which was already seen in the Triplr Threat match HHH vs. Angle vs. Rock where the storyline was between HHH and Angle over Steph, while the Rock was the mainstream attraction.
Some People love to claim Rock is the #1 just because he became one of the biggest actors in Hollywood but the rock is behind Austin and Hulk in the wrestling world. Austin vs hulk would have been the biggest gate in Mania history
kid you werent alive in 2002 if you think thats what people wanted to see, so dont act like it. Rock vs Hogan was the draw, austin was past his prime thats why he had hall instead.
Austin was better then the rock in the ring, on the mic, and just overall IMO. Rock would obviously be a damn close second....but austin was alot more relatable then rock which is why he drew more money in general. Hogan by the time the match at WM rolled around was so far past his prime that he really didnt belong in a match with either one
stone cold is definitely not better on the mic than the rock stop and overall the rock was better sorry rock>austin
Both guys didn't want to put the other over
Austin said on his show he liked working with Jeff. So I don't because I've heard people say the same Cornette said, but Austin say something different.
Beside The rock job Hogan also tap out to Kurt Angle he was doing business at that time
Don't forget about that brock match on smackdown.
Austin always said Hogan would not have been able to keep up with him. It was silly lol. He ended up giving Hall a crappy match he even apologized to him for. Meanwhile Rock vs Hogan was match of the night. Hogan wanted Austin, Austin didn't want Hogan. That is the difference between them. Steve regrets it now.
Yeah, Jimmy, you're completely lost on this one. No wonder though, since you weren't there and you never worked with Hogan, so that was a somewhat stupid question to ask you.
Hogan had 2 matches with the Rock, he lost both of them. He would lose to Austin, too, no question about it.
Austin said he didn't want to do it, cause he thought the match would suck and because he didn't like Hogan at the time.
He also said not doing this match is one of his biggest regrets.
Neither wanted to put the other over
Hogan was Scared of Stone Cold the only time they fought was in a handicap match.
I was At that Monday Night Raw in Detroit... Austin/Rock Vs The NWO was AWESOME,.. They Just About Blew The Roof Off The Old Joe Louis Arena...Good Times
@@charlesgreen8703 Yes sir we don´t have crowds like that no more.
You can boo The Rock, any legend could get the fans to do that. It was near impossible to get fans to WANT to boo Austin vs ANYBODY. Stone Cold was the most untouchable wrestler ever. WWF tried that and it was the death nail. Corny is dead right. Wrestling still hasnt recovered. We just didnt know it then
Austin Vs Hogan would of not worked as Hogan was a face for the WWE audience as Austin is. Plus Hogan would play politics on it like he did with Shawn.
Thankfully, it was Rock vs. Hogan. The Rock didn't get hurt a bit by selling for Hogan's offensives. He was gonna get $12 million anyway for The Rundown when he would leave WWF/E after WrestleMania X8 and then retrun at KOTR 2002. Rock vs. Hogan at X8 was past vs. future and Hogan, by 2002, cared more about being mainstream than wrestling world. What Hogan couldn't do in Hollywood, the Rock did it and that too at the age of 29. The Rock had bigger projects in Hollywood than in WWE in 2002. The Rundown, Scorpion King. Jim may sh*t Hogan all he want, it's one of the traits in the wresing business: Keeping yourself relevant and strong despite the loss. And Hogan actually laid down for 2 minutes when the Rock beat him at Mania X8, unlike what he pulled against Warrior. By 2002, the championship didn't matter for the Rock. He won at Vengeance to establish Brock as a top player at SummerSlam. Rock vs. Lesnar at SummerSlam overshadowed HHH vs. HBK. The Rock didn't need to feud with the likes of HHH, HBK by 2002. Business-wise, the Rock did good by selling for Hogan, giving Hogan his moment after the match and he actually had more offence on Hogan at X8 if you actually watch the match. And Hogan never ruined Rock's moment, unlike Austin (Survivor Series 1998 and Backlah 2000). It wasn't Hogan who was booked to overshadow the Rock, it was Austin. Austin's return in Backlash 2000 ruined the Rock's moment and that too on a B-show plus when he ruined Rock's moment at Survivor Series 1998. At least, Hogan never ruined Rock's moment and asked for a rematch against the Rock.
There were 3 men that never laid down for Hogan. #1 The Rock, he won both of their matches,Hogan losing the first clean. #2 Sting who always went over but never clean.#3 Roddy Piper who lost by disqualification at The Brawl To End It All, then won two matches in WCW with a sleeper hold. Austin wouldn't face Hogan at WrestleMania 18 because even though he would have won the crowds would have been with Hogan and it would have proven he wasn't the biggest star the company ever had, like he likes to claim.
As the old saying goes... Hogan made Vince go National. Austin made Vince go Global. 'Nuff said. And that's the bottom line...
@@naturallawman2965 Hulk Hogan made Vince go global and #1 when people think WWF(WWE) They think of Hulk Hogan. Wrestlemania, Summerslam, PPV wrestling already existed long before Stone Cold
Piper lost to Hogan at SuperBrawl 1997 I think due to interference from Randy Savage.
You are delusional to think people would cheer for hh over Austin.. man after 1997 that would have never happened not even now.. you are high on something even I want to be high on
I was at Wrestlemania 17 in Houston and it felt like over 90% of the crowd was going crazy for Austin! No way would we have turned on him if he had faced Hogan there! Hogan would have had to play the heel.
Two things one WM 17 Hogan wasn't there and #2 Hogan was the WWF(WWE) Biggest star ever. No matter how popular Steve was Hogan's name will always bring back memories
@@melvynsngltn27 Hogan would have been booed in Texas bud, especially against Austin. He was already booed in Dallas and the crowd even chanted Hogan sucks when he started attacking Austin with the NWO. Get over your Hogan Marxism and admit Austin was just that big. In Canada, it could go either way.
@@captainjaber5610 WM 18 was in Canada so what are you talking about. Steve Austin wiped out of alot of matches
@@melvynsngltn27 The comment of the original poster was referencing Cornette imagining what would happen if the match happened at the Astrodome. You responded making it seem like Hogan would still be a fan favorite in Texas over Austin and there’s evidence to prove Austin would have been the fan favorite. The same way Hogan is loved in Toronto, Austin would be cheered and loved in Texas over Hogan.
@@captainjaber5610 okay
people are crazy to think austin would have every turned down the hogan match rocky was ALWAYS slotted to be against hogan
The match it wouldn't have been as good. The rock and hogan was amazing because both of the adjusted well to the new heel/face dynamic (because the crowd was strongly behind a heel hulk).
Austin, as we know now, just doesn't work well in a heelish role. It's difficult to imagine how the nostalgic crowd would have taken to Austin winning the match.
Bottom line the best outcome happened as the Hogan vs Rock Mania was iconic and live for the ages. Stole the show.
Hahahaha! $25,000 in a brown paper bag and all the beer he could drink! WTF?
The Rock didn't loose to Hogan .
Thank you! How did no one catch that?
@@septv9995 didn't he lose at No Way Out 03? Haven't seen it since then so can't remember who won that one honestly.
@@guess6635 the rock won that one as well he had help from Vince McMahon
"lose"
@@DannNotDaniel ah I see, gotcha.
Coz Stone Cold Said So?
I wonder how much Hogan was paid to put The Rock over
Cause he was the type of guy that would get paid for winning but more for if he had to lose
That's just the kind of vibe I get from him
they Could make the match by WCW Roles 2 minutes then DQ
I’m glad it never happened... they would’ve just made him loose to Hogan in an unrealistic way, to where the whole match just looks dumb. He would’ve just been another number/notch on Hogan’s belt. No wonder so many Wrestlers hated and still hate Hogan.
I actually think that if it had been Austin the crowd would have been behind him; Hulk was over but Stone cold was in the stratosphere.
WWF should have signed Savage for WM 2002 and had a Savage/Austin fued begin. Would have been so much better than a Hogan match, and Austin wouldn't have walked out because he would have been working most of the year against an all time great that had the ability to keep up with him...
Truthfully if they did Austin vs Hogan I think Austin should get the win bcuz while Hogan was help running WCW out of business Austin was help making sure WWE/F won the ratings war
Rock didn't lose to Hogan it was the other way around
what would have been the finish though? It was just two completely different wrestlers
Iron Mike Sharpe(RIP) would have easily mopped the floor with jabroni Austin.
Missed opportunity not have 3:16 as the time on the microwave.
Throw the whole channel away
Mr. Pickles 3 : 16
Mr. Pickles is god
... That's all the sign slogans I can pun right now 😂
It should say wife beater.
@@luketemple1015 equal rights mean equal lefts
@@jamestipton1025 lmao you’re funny
Vince: “You have to put Austin over.”
HH: “That doesn’t work for me, brother.”
Vince: “You have to put Hogan over.”
Austin: “That doesn’t work for me, brother”.
Austin: What???
@@davidcyr5327 damn you beat me to it
Austin: Fuck it (Takes off on ATV)
Vince 97: you have to put Bret over
Hbk: doesnt work for me brother
Vince: you haft to put hbk over
Bret hart: doesn't work for me brother
@@rudymenchacaa9970 except of the times they both put each other over 😂
Austin could not be boo'd. The man survived so many angles that would've killed most wrestlers careers
Hogan was boo'd at the end of the Royal Rumble when the crowd cheered for Sid. That was the first time ever since Hogan was a heel a decade earlier that he'd been boo'd. My point is, he survived the booing and came back to fight Sgt. Slaughter and then Yokozuna and then off to the WCW and became HUGE again in the NWO and then again when he reappeared in early 2002 against The Rock.
@@Danimal77 Hogan cried about Sid getting cheers.
@LTopomcFly Not at all. Austin was getting cheered.
@LTopomcFly You are out of your mind, just don’t speak please. Prior to his heel turn, Austin’s pops and ovations were blowing anything the rock and triple H can think of out of the water. Sorry, Austin was a mega star and built the era your two little darlings, HHH and Crocky were apart of and basked in. It was Austin’s product.
@LTopomcFly WWF already turned the tide in 1998 with the war, that was off of Austin’s coattails. In 2001, Austin was still getting cheered even as a heel, and yes, 01 was a bad year after his heel turn because it was a bad decision to turn him heel and Austin admit that himself. If Austin stayed face, it wouldn’t have been as shitty. He made a poor decision to turn heel.
Bret Hart never laid down for Hogan either. That would've been WCW's biggest match up ever.
Bret would've made hogan look great
@@robertellion1873 Bret would gave given Hogan his best match ever.
Lol it wouldn't have been close to their biggest matchup ever🤣
Nah, a properly set up Sting VS Hart would have been. At least, in terms of quality of match.
Bret Hart is a ho hum average wrestler with virtually no personality. It would have been a snoozefest.
Rock was able to sell Hogan's "hogan-isms" better that Austin would have. The only way Austin could do that would be during his 2001 heel phase that a lot of fans did not enjoy.
The Rock would flop and flip around like a fish selling for you if he liked you. Hogan at that point needed someone like him or hbk because of his limited ability at his age. Austin thez pressing Hogan on a hot opening would look awkward. Hogan couldn't keep pace with Austin.
didnt make him happy shid lol Austin only did it because he wanted to do something diff
@@blackout8777 also cause of the neck injury he had to limit his move set severely, he went from have technical wrestling skills that were not on the same level, but were close to the levels of people like Bret Hart, Mr Perfect etc... not the best, but he had a technical ring ability to him, but after the neck injury he started going more of the rowdy roddy piper route of kicking more ass than wrestling, though he still did some regular wrestling moves as low bump as possible.
that mudhole stomping, corner punching, finger flipping, kick to the gut stunner style with a lou thez press added in to allow for some mounted punching was good to cover up his wrestling handicap. Even with that handicap he wrestles better than most of the wrestlers of today and Bret Hart and Stone Cold showed you did not need to fly all over the place to be over too... Shawn Michaels though did have a great performance art, and his sweet chin music pops were phenomenal as well as the people who sold it so well at the times... if only he could have trained Goldberg not to kick Bret in the head... yes I said it... ***gets speared through a wall***
@@aoisora1445 they were good but never anywhere near Bret Hart or Mr.Perfect's level
@@melvynsngltn27 Facts.
"This dosent work for me Brother" - Hulk Hogan
Top comment right here 😂
@@bennylegend7556 shut up man . He gave yokozuna his biggest Win Eever at the King of the ring ppv . He didn't slam him . He made him kick out of his finish . NO ONE HAS EVER PUT YOKO OVER THE WAY HOGAN DID .Not Bret Hart . Not Undertaker . No one .
Wrestlemania 9 was a perfect example of Hogans ego.
@@bennylegend7556 No its Not Ok . Hulk Hogan gave yokozuna his biggest Win Eever at the King of the ring ppv . He didn't slam him . He made him kick out of his finish . NO ONE HAS EVER PUT YOKO OVER THE WAY HOGAN DID .Not Bret Hart . Not Undertaker . No one .
@@Aizenborgman He should let Bret beat Yoko fair & square, not run-in with a black eye and make all about him, then had a program with Bret at Summerslam 93 and put him over.
""You ain't going to fire fuckin' Steve Austin." Damn, love Corny!
They would of fired Triple H before they fired Austin!
They say never meet your heroes but I got to meet Steve Austin in 1999 at the San Antonio airport, terminal 2,I was working at a restaurant he came in and ordered some beef enchiladas,cool ass dude I still have his autograph to this day 👍
ok but you could probably have a better hero than a professional wrestler.
@@planexshifter Are there any modern positive role models today you think I would want to call a hero?Steve Williams overcame allot of adversity to be where he is today, a real success story who drew allot of money in sports entertainment and I admire that, that's why call him a hero
@@planexshifter what kind of stupid comment is this ?
@@planexshifterhes a better hero than hogan
Wow. You’re cool.
Like they said the rock was likeable but Austin was believable
couldn’t of been better said
And hogan refused to loose!
I agree with Cornette completely
@@mrwookie72 hogan is hogan, he can do whatever he wants
@Oh So Nicole neither of them look threatening. Steve Austin was a mid card nobody for 80% of his career
DTA Don't trust anyone was not a gimmick.... to austin it was the truth.
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Austin already said it was because he didn't trust Hogan to do business.
As the face of WWF during the MNW years, no shot Austin was gonna lay down for Hogan. But Hogan wouldn't lay down for anybody, so nobody shouldve had to for him either.
@@efng21 he basically avoided the trap HBK fell into. Hogan agrees to 3 matches. He wins the first one, then flakes on the next two. Remember, the order of Hogan's existence goes:
Wrestling politician=>Wrestler=>Human.
Wrong. He didn't wanted to put Hogan over, but Hogan was willing to lose to either Austin or The Rock, as he was told by Vince McMahon when the deal was done for him to come back. It was Austin's ego that prevented the match from happening.
@@captainjaber5610 nah, they could have worked something out. But Austin's ego certainly blinded him. He was in disbelief when Hogan and The Rock happened, seeing the people's reaction to it.
@@eduardopazhurtado3882 Hogan’s ego is the size of two mountains. Why would Austin ruin his own legacy and what he did for the company to make Hogan look good? Hogan can stick it and shove it the same way he’s done to so many people in the company. Him not getting his shot at Austin is karma.
Austin has commented on this on his podcast, and stated that he didn't think the match would be any good, based on their styles. He thought it would have hurt both of them, rather than helped either of them. He never mentioned anything about WCW or Hogan's reputation for always trying to go over. He just said that he thought that given the way they both worked, a match would have been a disappointment and just wouldn't have been up to the standards he was looking for when at the top of his game.
@Abc Xyz so was Stone Cold
He was being gracious and political... he is still in good with WWE, so he makes nice with most of the talent and hogan.
You're wrong...in the interview with Hogan he did bring up WCW. He all but said he resented Hogan back then and that he now realizes all he needed to do was actually talk to hulk.
@@Rodshark75 shut up
Just because a wrestler is working you doesn’t mean you need to go along with it.
Listener: "I have a question"
Corny: farting noise
Reminds me when mr burns went on the radio 😂
I like to think that he just farted this time, because that was genuinely a good question.
This made me lol, good work
Corny shit out his Taco Bell lunch into his pants according to Meltzers dirt sheet
Hogan would be more pissed at shawn for having that match over the match he didn't have with austin.
Unsurprisingly given one happened and the other didn’t.
I could never see Austin panicking about the “hulk up” and finger point. He never gave off that kind of vibe.
Edit: If you think that they would do this match with Austin being heel, then you are out of your damn mind.
Warrior didn't panic either at their wrestlemania 6 encounter. he just got confused that he didn't stay down after the big splash. And it was pretty convincing that Warrior the character would be confused.
Austin vs Hogan. the type of hulk up we would have had is similar to the one that Hogan had done with Million Dollar Man. He'd hulk up, but he wouldn't have stayed on his knees. He would have just bounced up on his feet and immediately puff up and point at Austin while Austin would shake his head and talk his smack while going for a punch for Hogan to counter punch and go into the next 2 punches, followed with the big boot and leg drop. And they would have gone straight to the same situation they had with Rock. Austin would have moved out of the way. Hogan's ass meets canvas. Hogan is in pain shaking while Austin continues his head swaying and talking trash as Hogan slowly gets back on his feet and turns around meeting a boot and another stunner for the 1-2-3.
Would have been pretty funny hogan hulking up then Austin just no selling and flipping the double bird back at him
Austin woulda just flipped Hogan the bird while he Hulked up lol
@@MrJonnyl123 That's how I would see it going.
Now if it was alliance cowardly heel Austin that works perfect lol
Hogan vs Rock was a great match.