My personal experience is a lot closer to Mitsubishi's own estimate. I rarely get more than approx. 35 km on a full charge. I imagine the high result in this video is because it's a fairly new car and at an OK temperature. Anyway, even though mine is a 2019 with 32k on the odometer, I'm very content with the car, and haven't regretted my purchase.
we have this phev for a year now. Here is realworld data. On battery in winter it goes for about 30km. Summertime goes for 40-45km max. On petrol in highway driving 95km/h it takes about 6.5-7liters/100km with empty battery, tests done on 400km trips with empty batteries, comment below regarding usable battery is correct, it takes about 9.5kwh of electry to charge from empty to full. Also no body mension an issue that cars with batteries in the botom part has. Its geting hot. But imagine in summer when you have +30c and you have heat for you feet in the saloon floor... for example if you think you can keep some bags with the food , meat, its bad idea. Winter you will need to run heater to keep warm, in summer you will need aircon since its so hot, but extra heat comes from the floor aswell its realy warm to touch by hand. Also if you get stuck in snow, the only option that works for us is sport mode, else wheels wont spint even so you cant climb out of hole .
I should have bought this. I have a 2018 Mitsubishi Outlander GT and even though it's a very good running vehicle that I highly recommend to everyone, I should have gotten this one. At the time I was living in a back house with no way to charge it, now a little over a year I bought a house and the ability to charge it. I highly recommend this brand and this SUV. In most cases people don't need a electric vehicle that has to get 200+ miles because an average person will only travel 30 miles on a daily commute. This has regenerative braking and fast charging both that help you get where you want to go. If something happens I plan to get the PHEV Outlander
Slight correction - the Outlander PHEV by design never allows you to use more than ~9.5 kWh worth of battery power in EV driving. The battery may be a 12 kWh unit but the last 1/4 ~(3 kWh) is an invisible reserve for hybrid mode operation where the 2.0L inline 4 engine keeps the buffer to continue driving. Source: Outlander PHEV owner since Feb. 2018
Try using EV priority. You will use more than your 9.5kWh- it allows for full depletion. Part of the way our techs draw a battery down when doing testing :)
It will also never charge more than 80 percent either. So you actually get only 60 percent available. Which sucks. They do this so as the battery degrades it adjusts via software to maintain the same range over its lifespan. It's really kind of shit.
Having had the UK 2.4 MY19 4HS for 9 months, I am still impressed with it. The range (without heater or a/c) is regularly around the 25-30 mile mark. In this colder weather (0-5) it goes to 15 miles or less, but uses standard heating technology. It’s not the best technology in the cab, but a step up from our old 2014 Prius, and a much better drive. (Our 2004 Mk1 Prius was a much better drive!). It’s no Tesla, but no MG SUV either. Sits nice between the two in price and features, and a safe step into the world of EVs with a 280 mile hybrid range. We rarely fuel ours, but then do a few 300 mile trips. Last fill up was 1176 miles since the last one 🤣. But don’t use the engine to charge the battery. That’s false economy. And the high ‘battery’ degradation issue doesn’t exist, it’s not the batteries, it’s the Battery Management Unit losing its faith in the normally good batteries. Resets are available, but it’s been found that if you follow the old adage of ‘discharge before recharging’ helps the BMU learn that the batteries are okay. Not ideal, bit alien if you don’t want to use fuel, but a small price to pay.
One advantage Mitsu has over Tesla is all wheel drive capability considering their extensive background in developing it, going back 30 years. On a side note, I own the little venerable 2014 Mitsubishi Mirage! A simple gas powered 3cylinder, with 40 mpg avg rating after 6 years still! And with a smaller carbon footprint than a Prius when battery waste is factored into the equation. Don't get me wrong, Is love a Prius but Toyota simply asks too much money for their cars now. Mitsu, as you said, fills a growing niche for less well off consumers. It's a good reason they're having a nice comeback in my opinion.
I was really searching hard to find out petrol consumption of charge mode while driving and while just standing but nobody is able to help, even Mitsubishi Outlander official brochure doesn´t provide that information and yet this situation is quite likely to happened. Just imagine going to mountains four adults and skiinng equipment in the car, drain the battery on the way up and when I´d to go back down lets say driving on the snow about 30 mph it would make much better option to use an electricity instead of petrol. But if making 1 kw of electricity would take 1 litr of petrol which is one of the answer I got so far that would be probably the most bloody expensive electricity in the world.
Michal, sounds like great fun skiing! 🤣 More importantly, ‘charge’ mode isn’t static as far as I can tell. If you’re driving the engine produces electricity to power the drive-train, as well as charge the batteries. Whilst stationary, is the heating on, etc? Makes a difference as it can only use what’s available. So maybe there isn’t a single figure. As for snow driving: as it’s mostly a generator to drivetrain (with a high gear at high speed ~55mph), you’re running 4x4 electric anyway. So no real need for Charge?
@@samusaran7317 Lol brother the Mirage's specialty is being a city car though! Parking is a breeze, it's got the tightest u-turn of any car besides the old Smart Car, and I avg 36 mpg CITY. You can't beat that for stop n go traffic fuel economy. I love EVs too but even with the US $7500 tax credit, the cheap Nissan Leaf is still $4k to $5k out of my budget and I, like half of Americans, live in an apartment complex with no charging station. EVs are for rich folks with garages for now. Maybe in a decade or so, some MFG will make a true EV poverty spec budget car but it'll be awhile. I like that $20k Ford Maverick hybrid though. That's a bargain.
I just bought one of these for the wife, she was too hesitant to go full electric and her commute is 36km round trip so hopefully won't have to use the Petrol engine at all! We also have solar on at home so should cost us very minimal.
That's a great review of the fuel economy. I drive mine here in London UK, I get great electric only range. Most reviewers take the car for a day - don't know how to drive it - then decry it as a petrol guzzler.
Yup! I look at some of the previous journalists' fuel economy on the dash of these loaner cars and I'm always shocked how they managed to get such poor fuel economy!
Good. If your budget tells you to only look for a used petrol car, then a Mitsubishi PHeV is a good choice, I think. Most of my driving is for short distances on EV-mode only. Saving petrol every day. Even on long journeys, like for 350 kms, there can be cheaper running, if you stay away from the automatic speed control as much as possible and use cruising and regenerative breaking when you can. Living in Europe, electric power is so expensive now, but still cheaper than petrol per km. I drive the latest model 2020 of Outlander, and they don´t provide the European market with the new model at all, but this version is still very good.
I just purchased a 2018 model, have not taken possession yet but I did try it. I love this car, it has everything I need, coming from owning Subarus for the last decade and a half, I needed something that doesn't fear snow (live in Quebec), and a AWD suv is perfect for that, I don't want to HAVE to rely on long charging sessions (and the 30-minutes quick charge is NOT good for the battery, you CAN do it in a pinch, but is not advised to do that every day), so a PHEV makes so much sense to me! I wish the EV only range was longer, the new versions have a bigger battery, but this is gonna be a heck of a difference, driving in ev mode 90-95% of the time, vs driving a Subaru in town all the time!
I live in Australia and we have some of the highest electricity prices in the world. I did some calculations on owning an Outlander PHEV vs the petrol variant and it worked out to be more expensive to own the PHEV. This is taking into consideration that I don't have solar or a battery so would have to pay full retail price for electricity. This wasn't even taking into consideration that the PHEV is about $20,000 more to buy in Australia and they have shocking reports of battery degradation after a few years.
We got a new Outlander for $37k and charge it from the solar panels. The math works out for us, but the peace and quiet and environmental benefit are definitely worth it.
If you're in Canada, that's why your advertised range is so low. In winter your range is going to be lousy due to the cold battery even before you think of the heater. In Australia they advertise a range of 60km for the same vehicle.
Thank you for the great video. I would like to suggest to record other two scenarios, battery consumption (already done), fuel consumption, and hybrid consumption. With that, we will be able to know how much we will spend on average in a car like this. Great job!!!
In Norman driving you cannot use whole capacity, there is a 30% bottom buffer. Engine kicks in at about 30%. So in your test you achieved this range will less than 12kwh. If you drive very slow and careful you can discharge the battery As low as 25%, but no less. You can recalculate economy.
As an energy - a few comments. You never use the top or bottom of the battery which are reserved for hybrid mode and to ensure the long life of the battery. Max charged would be 10kwh so you need the adjust your math. Charge or save modes are best when driving at speed to save to battery charge for stop and go traffic when the electric motors with regen are most efficient. Yes this vehicle can tow a trailer and even a very small camper.
you deffo shouldn't use the charge option unless you need to. That would be less efficient than just using the petrol to drive the petrol engine. It's only there in case you're about to go off road and you need electricity for more torque.
I'm holding out for a 2021 Outlander PHEV with a 2.4L engine in the US... or maybe I will fit a turbo on the 2.0L if I can figure out the ECU and how it integrates with the electric drive side.
As the PHEV has no transmission, you may be dissapointed in the amount of value turbocharging gives to your driving experience. The only time the engine is actually powering the front wheels (the engine never powers the rear wheels) is at highway speeds when the wheels are turning fast enough to accommodate a 1:1 lockup with the engine. In my experience, this happens at 75 MPH and above. At the time I purchased my 2018 Outlander PHEV, a 2.4 liter Atkinson cycle engine was planned for the 2019 model year, but has still not appeared; I wouldn't hold my breath.
@@heyidiot I've seen that info as well, it's interesting that there is no transmission! If it really doesn't assist below 75 mph that seems pretty silly given most people don't need to accelerate quickly above 75 mph very often, it's usually in the 30-75 mph range getting onto expressways. The nice thing about turbo engines is that you can get quite a bit more torque at lower RPM's compared to their normally aspirated versions. For example my Evo X 2.0L engine can deliver around 500 ft lbs of torque as low as 3500 rpm and 600 peak horsepower. Granted I wouldn't push the Outlander 2.0 or 2.4 engine that far but 250-300 hp and similar torque wouldn't be that hard to reach especially if there is no transmission to break. Perhaps I can find a graph that shows how much the engine contributes at any particular speed.
heyidiot the Atkinson cycle 2.4 litre has been available in Europe since 2018, it's a bit strange that they are selling the old model in the US, there's a new one due out in 21/22 which is rumoured to have a 70mile/100km. all electric range in EV mode, that's going to make it a really attractive proposition for a lot of people.
@@Chris-ew9mh So the engine is limited to 4500 rpm also and mostly turns a generator to create power for the traction motors. I very much doubt that adding a turbo would gain anything at all aside from using more fuel, making this a pointless car for you.
@@Slash1066 I ended up going with a Toyota RAV4 Prime as it had the performance I wanted right out of the gate. 3002 HP and over 350 torque has gotten me 0-60 in the low 5 sec range if the tires hook. I’m swapping in a lighter wheel tire combo with stickier tires for next Summer which should knock a few more tenths off from a standing start and be less likely to break the front tires loose since most of the power is delivered to the front axle. So far it’s been a perfect compliment to my Evolution X MR and the 40-50 EV miles is plenty I’m for my daily needs around town.
Thanks for the useful info! Although, it would be helpful if those who do these comparisons would confirm if the electricity cost they use are an "all-in" figure - i.e., the rate should always include average commodity cost, transportation/delivery charges, administrative fees, any riders, ALL taxes (e.g., federal, state/provincial, environmental (e.g., carbon)). That would help confirm a more true cost comparison...at least for the conditions tested in.
Having a hard time with this one the outlander just seems like such an underdog to the Rav4 prime, on the other hand its been practically impossible to secure a prime so thats why im looking into this one if only they were a bit more price or ideally performance competitive.
Okay that was great but just tell me what for people like me who drive long distance travels on a weekly basis? Sydney to Melbourne is 800kms and I often drive for work. Is this a good for it?
Excellent question, and noted how it hasn't been answered. Last week we visited the Mitsi Agent to test drive one, and I asked him about the economy without plugging in for charging, and guess what...he wouldn't answer. So it stayed in their car yard.
Im in uk im thinking of getting a phev but used and myself an mrs together our weekly commute is bout 30 miles as i wrk nights she works days so i would be quids in with fuel
Please remember if the air conditioning is on you will lose mileage next time you go out try switching it off completely and see how much more you will get also the heated seats use very little power so when ever I can i do use them happy motoring 😇
Hey Dude, , im looking for some advice on the main differences / pros & cons between a 2014 PHEV vs 2015 PHEV facelift model? I’m looking at a 2014 with 52,000 miles & a 2015 with 100,000 miles at a simular price! Mostly for short runs so would be plugging it in every night! Thanks
too bad the car is still using pretty much the same specs/tech of the 2012 model. And there is also a BMU software bug degrading the battery capacity at 10-20%/year, or the 4WD system doesn't have an effective 4WD lock. As reported elsewhere on youtube. Otherwise, it would be a winner!
@@absrecovery You lucky son of a Mitsu. There are youtube channels dedicated to this very issue. I am curious, do you have an OBD/App to know the SOH of the battery?
@@USUG0 no just what it says on the dash did a 30 mile run last week and petrol engine kicked in exactly 26 miles 10 miles a day commute not put petrol in for over a month superb car
@@chrisbernier3889 I guess based on your ignorance on the subject. I did my homework, you clearly didn't. Or maybe, a Mitsu Corp troll? willing to shame you any time.
SO in all your test would you rank the Outlander PHEV #1 and the Toyota RAV4 #2 in terms of fuel economy especially if most of your driving is city??? My wife also drive around 30 miles a day city driving and I think we're are down to these two. Going to test drive both today so see the difference in interior space as well as ride quality. Thanks for the video!
Sorry I didn't realize you were comparing to just the regular RAV4 NOT the hybrid, Wonder how close the numbers would be if you compared with the RAV4 Hybrid
@@FuelEconomyTest I have a BOLT and charger at home so. Been super happy with the Bolts ability for my commute 115+ miles a day. Getting rid of her Explorer, so I need a medium size SUV still. Affraid the RAV4 Hybrid will be too small for the family.
Since you are replacing your Explorer, I would recommend looking past the 31 mile electric range. During your test drive, ask the dealer to let you drive the Outlander PHEV in EV mode. Then ask him to let you test drive another Outlander PHEV with a completely depleted battery. Drive the depleted for a few miles and if you're satisfied with how it drives, then get it. If you are not satisfied, then better go for the RAV4 Hybrid. Let me know which one you end up getting.
The engine runs at 3 specified rpm's the middle version is 10L/100 high is 16L100 according to the watchdog app. Most people if running on charge mode end up with 9-10L/100 when running in normal mode or save mode expect the numbers to be lower. Calgary (our home) to red deer( Mitsubishi dealership) one way 140km is 5.8L/100 mainly highway driving 110km/hr
Great to watch this practical information. But I still be struggling about phev for Uber driving? I just wonder to know how much cost without any plug in charge? Many thanks.
I drive Lyft with my 2018phev summer I can Ave 40-45 mpg on an ave 250 mile day but I control when it chargers to get that..it's the best I've ever driven bin the snow amazing
I have had an Outlander phev for 4 years. Without charging typically 33mpg, realistic miles on a full battery is 20 at a cost of £2.00 so 10p a mile equivalent to 56 mpg. This is my experience others may do better.
Hi I recently bought 2015 Outlander. When I charge battery through normal home socket (UK), the expected miles always keep fluctuating between 10 to 15 miles, not sure why and how? Also when I drive it actually doesn't give me that many miles at all for city runs (speed limit 30 miles per hr)… also if I don't drive for 24 to 28 hours then battery gets discharge on its own? does anyone know why is this? and how much warranty Mitsubishi gives on Battery? Please advise
Hope someone brought up the massive degradation issue the PHEV suffers from. So whatever range you get this test you can take heaps off it as the months go by.
Yes the battery degradation is a Mitsubishi embarrassment. Crs less than 3 years old with state of health lost 20% go electric or go diesel. Another you tube video look it up diesel v hybrid shows the diesel as cheap or cheaper to run. The diesel also can tow 500kg more and have 7 seats these are features suv buyers want. If you only need 5 seats and dont tow 2000kk by an ionic all electric. Hybrids also are gradually losing their initial advantages like subsidies and congestion tax rebates.
There is a button low on the panel to the left of the steering wheel that will let you change the display mode to show both current EV range and current EV+Gas range.
If they make an AWD minivan with this drivetrain than it would fit me. For now, I need more trunk in my vehicle. Also, the drivetrain's downside is acceleration under slow speeds. The competition doesn't have that downside from what I know. Anyway, it is a good vehicle. Mitsu did a great job with it ;)
2020 Mitsubishi Delica D5 diesel is a fantastic AWD mini van. US wont see it though because doesnt give us any of their cool shit anymore. No Monteros/Pajeros, only China/Taiwan gets the Lancer.
@@kylemas2005 I like AWD minivans, as they offer ultimate utility for camping, hunting etc. Saying that, I'm VERY disappointed by D:5: no spare tire and to steering wheel regulation in horizontal axel. So it doesn't fit my body proportions ;( Fortunately, both Toyota and Honda offers AWD in all of their minivans in Japan. It should be enough for my needs, but I'd like it to be better. There are new models comming from Toyota that will target a growing AWD/nature/SUV trend in Japan. I agree with you on the rest. No Pajero Sport in Jp as well. Strange story that Mitsubishi struggles to sell their BOF on Japanese market while Toyota is doing fine with both Land Cruisers ;) www.mitsubishi-motors.com.au/vehicles/pajero-sport
@@valdius85 Americans forgot how big Mitsubishi was here in the states in the 80s and 90s. I'm glad they're making a slow comeback here, they make good cars for their prices. Is Mitsu as good as Toyota/Honda? In my opinion, no. However Mitsu has been making cars for over 100 years. They made the Zero fighter plane, which was one of the finest aircraft carrier based fighters in early 20th century. They're apart of one of the biggest conglomerates in Japan. Mitsubishi is even making a new stealth fighter plane, The Shin Shin.
@@kylemas2005 Please do not mix massive company branches on the Japanese market. Mitsu does most things from banking, bridges, tanks, cars to pencils. These are separate companies under the same umbrella. Panasonic does houses in Japan, can you say these houses must be good quality because Panasonic does top glass batteries? ... saying that P. houses seem to be very well made and tech is advanced, but I hope you get my point ;) Any product should be validated separately with minimal bias. I know it is hard, but at least that should be the aim. I am happy there is more choice and Mitsu has many good ideas. They do top-selling PHEV in EU and their electrical branch seems to be now collaborating with the car branch. Judging from D:5, more attention to detail is necessary, but still, I am happy for that car to be available on the JP market. ;) The effect of M. management cheapness, this car doesn't fit my needs - no steering wheel regulation, so no comfort for long trips. I do not understand that only JP gets D:5, since vans of that size sell well in all EU countries. I'd be more confident in the reliability of their product if they'd chosen better collaborator. Nissan's products have terrible reliability reputation and Mitsubishi is using a lot of their parts - like CVT :( This is a long message, sorry ;)
So if you've only been driving on electric power why have the miles gone down on the petrol side I had this car a little while ago as a courtesy car and the same thing happened to me what's the point in running electric if you're also burning fuel
Fuel degrades, it is usually calculated at around 2months for it to become a possible problem, so the car forces you to use fuel before then and refill the tank.
I don't understand this question.. there is only one size battery in North America currently. The larger battery is available in Europe, Asia and Australia.
At 3:44 it shows the '5-leaf' motif (like a 'star' rating system - eg 1 star is a poor rating but 5 stars is a good one). This is supposed to show how economic you've been, but if you've been driving entirely EV/ECO I would expect 5 stars? Only one leaf is 'filled in', which would indicate poor economy? I drive mine on electric mode in slow roads but use the combustion engine on roads over 40 mph (or slower if saving power for later on), and frequently get 4 leafs, occasionally 5, which would appear to indicate that my 'economy' is better than yours, even though it's not entirely electric! Can you explain why, please?! What would cause this? I'm not criticising at all, just curious to know why! Otherwise a very helpful video - thanks!
About 50km on 1 charge, more than 1500mls before engine starts if you can drive everyday between charges (home/work), charge takes at least 3 hours at 16A, 6h at 10A home socket. Every so often the engine has to run for a few minutes to preserve the fuel and fuel lines, say 15 minutes every 3 weeks
@@alexman340 350-360mls with full tank and one charge. About 30mls with one charge a day. I can charge twice (3.5h each at 16A), at night (homesocket 6h) and at work (3.5h) so I can do almost 50-55mls per day without gas. Thats why I do 1500mls easy with one tank
But the comparison between Outlander and RAV-4 is totally wrong! You are comparing apples with oranges! You should compare total cost (buying, driving, maintenance, etc); and for a company car it is different than for a privately owned. And comparing a Plug-in hybrid with a hybrid is also not fair. Compare it with the new RAV-4 Plugin-hybrid. Maybe then the figures will make sense.
Thats not bad at all if you can drive within the reach to work and back and charge it while at home. I guess most people stay at home for longer than 3.5 hours a day, and then it's ready to go day after.
Charge it overnight, 1 charge gives me 2 days commuting and a bit over for going to the supermarket or whatever, fantastically cheap, comfortable everyday motoring with the capability to do long trips when you need to. It isn't ideal for long distance commuters but for some people it's a no-brainer.
@@samusaran7317 Us british called your gas petrol or petroleum your country got is wrong and no it only does 50mpg thats why mitsubishi stopped making them...
It’s not economical, takes more than enough petrol on motorway, or over 30 mileages per hour. When you turn on air condition it became very noisy, battery life is very little. Not good for commercial use specially .
My personal experience is a lot closer to Mitsubishi's own estimate. I rarely get more than approx. 35 km on a full charge. I imagine the high result in this video is because it's a fairly new car and at an OK temperature. Anyway, even though mine is a 2019 with 32k on the odometer, I'm very content with the car, and haven't regretted my purchase.
we have this phev for a year now. Here is realworld data. On battery in winter it goes for about 30km. Summertime goes for 40-45km max. On petrol in highway driving 95km/h it takes about 6.5-7liters/100km with empty battery, tests done on 400km trips with empty batteries, comment below regarding usable battery is correct, it takes about 9.5kwh of electry to charge from empty to full. Also no body mension an issue that cars with batteries in the botom part has. Its geting hot. But imagine in summer when you have +30c and you have heat for you feet in the saloon floor... for example if you think you can keep some bags with the food , meat, its bad idea. Winter you will need to run heater to keep warm, in summer you will need aircon since its so hot, but extra heat comes from the floor aswell its realy warm to touch by hand. Also if you get stuck in snow, the only option that works for us is sport mode, else wheels wont spint even so you cant climb out of hole .
I should have bought this. I have a 2018 Mitsubishi Outlander GT and even though it's a very good running vehicle that I highly recommend to everyone, I should have gotten this one. At the time I was living in a back house with no way to charge it, now a little over a year I bought a house and the ability to charge it. I highly recommend this brand and this SUV. In most cases people don't need a electric vehicle that has to get 200+ miles because an average person will only travel 30 miles on a daily commute. This has regenerative braking and fast charging both that help you get where you want to go. If something happens I plan to get the PHEV Outlander
Slight correction - the Outlander PHEV by design never allows you to use more than ~9.5 kWh worth of battery power in EV driving. The battery may be a 12 kWh unit but the last 1/4 ~(3 kWh) is an invisible reserve for hybrid mode operation where the 2.0L inline 4 engine keeps the buffer to continue driving.
Source: Outlander PHEV owner since Feb. 2018
Try using EV priority. You will use more than your 9.5kWh- it allows for full depletion. Part of the way our techs draw a battery down when doing testing :)
It will also never charge more than 80 percent either. So you actually get only 60 percent available. Which sucks. They do this so as the battery degrades it adjusts via software to maintain the same range over its lifespan. It's really kind of shit.
Having had the UK 2.4 MY19 4HS for 9 months, I am still impressed with it.
The range (without heater or a/c) is regularly around the 25-30 mile mark. In this colder weather (0-5) it goes to 15 miles or less, but uses standard heating technology.
It’s not the best technology in the cab, but a step up from our old 2014 Prius, and a much better drive. (Our 2004 Mk1 Prius was a much better drive!).
It’s no Tesla, but no MG SUV either. Sits nice between the two in price and features, and a safe step into the world of EVs with a 280 mile hybrid range.
We rarely fuel ours, but then do a few 300 mile trips. Last fill up was 1176 miles since the last one 🤣.
But don’t use the engine to charge the battery. That’s false economy.
And the high ‘battery’ degradation issue doesn’t exist, it’s not the batteries, it’s the Battery Management Unit losing its faith in the normally good batteries. Resets are available, but it’s been found that if you follow the old adage of ‘discharge before recharging’ helps the BMU learn that the batteries are okay. Not ideal, bit alien if you don’t want to use fuel, but a small price to pay.
One advantage Mitsu has over Tesla is all wheel drive capability considering their extensive background in developing it, going back 30 years. On a side note, I own the little venerable 2014 Mitsubishi Mirage! A simple gas powered 3cylinder, with 40 mpg avg rating after 6 years still! And with a smaller carbon footprint than a Prius when battery waste is factored into the equation. Don't get me wrong, Is love a Prius but Toyota simply asks too much money for their cars now. Mitsu, as you said, fills a growing niche for less well off consumers. It's a good reason they're having a nice comeback in my opinion.
I was really searching hard to find out petrol consumption of charge mode while driving and while just standing but nobody is able to help, even Mitsubishi Outlander official brochure doesn´t provide that information and yet this situation is quite likely to happened. Just imagine going to mountains four adults and skiinng equipment in the car, drain the battery on the way up and when I´d to go back down lets say driving on the snow about 30 mph it would make much better option to use an electricity instead of petrol. But if making 1 kw of electricity would take 1 litr of petrol which is one of the answer I got so far that would be probably the most bloody expensive electricity in the world.
Michal, sounds like great fun skiing! 🤣
More importantly, ‘charge’ mode isn’t static as far as I can tell. If you’re driving the engine produces electricity to power the drive-train, as well as charge the batteries. Whilst stationary, is the heating on, etc? Makes a difference as it can only use what’s available. So maybe there isn’t a single figure.
As for snow driving: as it’s mostly a generator to drivetrain (with a high gear at high speed ~55mph), you’re running 4x4 electric anyway. So no real need for Charge?
@@kylemas2005 They need to get off their ass and make more evs... Mirage is fun but sucks as a city car just like the prius.
@@samusaran7317 Lol brother the Mirage's specialty is being a city car though! Parking is a breeze, it's got the tightest u-turn of any car besides the old Smart Car, and I avg 36 mpg CITY. You can't beat that for stop n go traffic fuel economy. I love EVs too but even with the US $7500 tax credit, the cheap Nissan Leaf is still $4k to $5k out of my budget and I, like half of Americans, live in an apartment complex with no charging station. EVs are for rich folks with garages for now. Maybe in a decade or so, some MFG will make a true EV poverty spec budget car but it'll be awhile. I like that $20k Ford Maverick hybrid though. That's a bargain.
Some really good information here for owners and potential owners. Thanks for sharing!
When you charge of the mains remember that is not 100 % , actually closer to 87 % efficient.
I just bought one of these for the wife, she was too hesitant to go full electric and her commute is 36km round trip so hopefully won't have to use the Petrol engine at all! We also have solar on at home so should cost us very minimal.
That's a great review of the fuel economy.
I drive mine here in London UK, I get great electric only range.
Most reviewers take the car for a day - don't know how to drive it - then decry it as a petrol guzzler.
Yup! I look at some of the previous journalists' fuel economy on the dash of these loaner cars and I'm always shocked how they managed to get such poor fuel economy!
Good. If your budget tells you to only look for a used petrol car, then a Mitsubishi PHeV is a good choice, I think. Most of my driving is for short distances on EV-mode only. Saving petrol every day. Even on long journeys, like for 350 kms, there can be cheaper running, if you stay away from the automatic speed control as much as possible and use cruising and regenerative breaking when you can. Living in Europe, electric power is so expensive now, but still cheaper than petrol per km. I drive the latest model 2020 of Outlander, and they don´t provide the European market with the new model at all, but this version is still very good.
I just purchased a 2018 model, have not taken possession yet but I did try it. I love this car, it has everything I need, coming from owning Subarus for the last decade and a half, I needed something that doesn't fear snow (live in Quebec), and a AWD suv is perfect for that, I don't want to HAVE to rely on long charging sessions (and the 30-minutes quick charge is NOT good for the battery, you CAN do it in a pinch, but is not advised to do that every day), so a PHEV makes so much sense to me! I wish the EV only range was longer, the new versions have a bigger battery, but this is gonna be a heck of a difference, driving in ev mode 90-95% of the time, vs driving a Subaru in town all the time!
I live in Australia and we have some of the highest electricity prices in the world. I did some calculations on owning an Outlander PHEV vs the petrol variant and it worked out to be more expensive to own the PHEV. This is taking into consideration that I don't have solar or a battery so would have to pay full retail price for electricity. This wasn't even taking into consideration that the PHEV is about $20,000 more to buy in Australia and they have shocking reports of battery degradation after a few years.
We got a new Outlander for $37k and charge it from the solar panels. The math works out for us, but the peace and quiet and environmental benefit are definitely worth it.
If you're in Canada, that's why your advertised range is so low. In winter your range is going to be lousy due to the cold battery even before you think of the heater.
In Australia they advertise a range of 60km for the same vehicle.
Thank you for the great video. I would like to suggest to record other two scenarios, battery consumption (already done), fuel consumption, and hybrid consumption. With that, we will be able to know how much we will spend on average in a car like this. Great job!!!
Good information. Really like the calculations throughout. Very helpful.
at 1:59, you cannot drive away with the charging cable connected, the system will not allow it!
If you drive in the B mode and use your paddles to regen brake or coast at B0 then you can get even more range
It switches over to compulsory petrol useage if the fuel has been in the tank more than about a month so your commute will never always be on electric
Yes, although I drive less than 30 miles per day, I've filled the tank ten times in the 20 months I've owned it.
*every 3months
What if nothing is in the tank?
@@zoltankecskemeti1653 engine will turn off and you will get stuck.
Nice video. The paddle shifters ARE in actual fact paddle shifters, but they just don't shift gears.
Even though on spec the capacity is 12kw the usable range is only 8 or 9 kw as empty is 3kw left in the battery.
So 49km it uses 8 to 9kw now 12.
I would love to see a similar review of the Toyota Prius Prime. Actual EV range is what can make or break a PHEV.
In Norman driving you cannot use whole capacity, there is a 30% bottom buffer. Engine kicks in at about 30%. So in your test you achieved this range will less than 12kwh. If you drive very slow and careful you can discharge the battery As low as 25%, but no less. You can recalculate economy.
As an energy - a few comments. You never use the top or bottom of the battery which are reserved for hybrid mode and to ensure the long life of the battery. Max charged would be 10kwh so you need the adjust your math. Charge or save modes are best when driving at speed to save to battery charge for stop and go traffic when the electric motors with regen are most efficient. Yes this vehicle can tow a trailer and even a very small camper.
Thanks!
Great video! About time someone shows some justice! haha
you deffo shouldn't use the charge option unless you need to. That would be less efficient than just using the petrol to drive the petrol engine. It's only there in case you're about to go off road and you need electricity for more torque.
I'm holding out for a 2021 Outlander PHEV with a 2.4L engine in the US... or maybe I will fit a turbo on the 2.0L if I can figure out the ECU and how it integrates with the electric drive side.
As the PHEV has no transmission, you may be dissapointed in the amount of value turbocharging gives to your driving experience. The only time the engine is actually powering the front wheels (the engine never powers the rear wheels) is at highway speeds when the wheels are turning fast enough to accommodate a 1:1 lockup with the engine. In my experience, this happens at 75 MPH and above.
At the time I purchased my 2018 Outlander PHEV, a 2.4 liter Atkinson cycle engine was planned for the 2019 model year, but has still not appeared; I wouldn't hold my breath.
@@heyidiot I've seen that info as well, it's interesting that there is no transmission! If it really doesn't assist below 75 mph that seems pretty silly given most people don't need to accelerate quickly above 75 mph very often, it's usually in the 30-75 mph range getting onto expressways. The nice thing about turbo engines is that you can get quite a bit more torque at lower RPM's compared to their normally aspirated versions. For example my Evo X 2.0L engine can deliver around 500 ft lbs of torque as low as 3500 rpm and 600 peak horsepower. Granted I wouldn't push the Outlander 2.0 or 2.4 engine that far but 250-300 hp and similar torque wouldn't be that hard to reach especially if there is no transmission to break. Perhaps I can find a graph that shows how much the engine contributes at any particular speed.
heyidiot the Atkinson cycle 2.4 litre has been available in Europe since 2018, it's a bit strange that they are selling the old model in the US, there's a new one due out in 21/22 which is rumoured to have a 70mile/100km. all electric range in EV mode, that's going to make it a really attractive proposition for a lot of people.
@@Chris-ew9mh So the engine is limited to 4500 rpm also and mostly turns a generator to create power for the traction motors. I very much doubt that adding a turbo would gain anything at all aside from using more fuel, making this a pointless car for you.
@@Slash1066 I ended up going with a Toyota RAV4 Prime as it had the performance I wanted right out of the gate. 3002 HP and over 350 torque has gotten me 0-60 in the low 5 sec range if the tires hook. I’m swapping in a lighter wheel tire combo with stickier tires for next Summer which should knock a few more tenths off from a standing start and be less likely to break the front tires loose since most of the power is delivered to the front axle. So far it’s been a perfect compliment to my Evolution X MR and the 40-50 EV miles is plenty I’m for my daily needs around town.
Thanks for the useful info! Although, it would be helpful if those who do these comparisons would confirm if the electricity cost they use are an "all-in" figure - i.e., the rate should always include average commodity cost, transportation/delivery charges, administrative fees, any riders, ALL taxes (e.g., federal, state/provincial, environmental (e.g., carbon)). That would help confirm a more true cost comparison...at least for the conditions tested in.
Very informative practical video...thanks
Having a hard time with this one the outlander just seems like such an underdog to the Rav4 prime, on the other hand its been practically impossible to secure a prime so thats why im looking into this one if only they were a bit more price or ideally performance competitive.
Okay that was great but just tell me what for people like me who drive long distance travels on a weekly basis? Sydney to Melbourne is 800kms and I often drive for work. Is this a good for it?
Excellent question, and noted how it hasn't been answered. Last week we visited the Mitsi Agent to test drive one, and I asked him about the economy without plugging in for charging, and guess what...he wouldn't answer. So it stayed in their car yard.
Im in uk im thinking of getting a phev but used and myself an mrs together our weekly commute is bout 30 miles as i wrk nights she works days so i would be quids in with fuel
Would the comparison have made more sense if it had been with the RAV 4 HEV, rather than the standard model?
Is there a way to turn off the artificially created engine noise? I noticed you didn’t mention the annoying noise in your review.
yes theres a button on the dash
Please remember if the air conditioning is on you will lose mileage next time you go out try switching it off completely and see how much more you will get also the heated seats use very little power so when ever I can i do use them happy motoring 😇
I want to buy this car but the seats are not seven If it had seven seats, that's a good car
Hey Dude, , im looking for some advice on the main differences / pros & cons between a 2014 PHEV vs 2015 PHEV facelift model?
I’m looking at a 2014 with 52,000 miles & a 2015 with 100,000 miles at a simular price! Mostly for short runs so would be plugging it in every night! Thanks
too bad the car is still using pretty much the same specs/tech of the 2012 model. And there is also a BMU software bug degrading the battery capacity at 10-20%/year, or the 4WD system doesn't have an effective 4WD lock. As reported elsewhere on youtube. Otherwise, it would be a winner!
I've a 2014 and still get 26 mile electric range the same as when it was new
@@absrecovery You lucky son of a Mitsu. There are youtube channels dedicated to this very issue. I am curious, do you have an OBD/App to know the SOH of the battery?
@@USUG0 no just what it says on the dash did a 30 mile run last week and petrol engine kicked in exactly 26 miles 10 miles a day commute not put petrol in for over a month superb car
False and typical internet crap.
@@chrisbernier3889 I guess based on your ignorance on the subject. I did my homework, you clearly didn't. Or maybe, a Mitsu Corp troll? willing to shame you any time.
SO in all your test would you rank the Outlander PHEV #1 and the Toyota RAV4 #2 in terms of fuel economy especially if most of your driving is city??? My wife also drive around 30 miles a day city driving and I think we're are down to these two. Going to test drive both today so see the difference in interior space as well as ride quality. Thanks for the video!
Sorry I didn't realize you were comparing to just the regular RAV4 NOT the hybrid, Wonder how close the numbers would be if you compared with the RAV4 Hybrid
It depends on how available charging is in your home/workplace. If you want a Hybrid or gasoline, get the RAV4. If you want a PHEV, get the Outlander.
@@FuelEconomyTest I have a BOLT and charger at home so. Been super happy with the Bolts ability for my commute 115+ miles a day. Getting rid of her Explorer, so I need a medium size SUV still. Affraid the RAV4 Hybrid will be too small for the family.
Since you are replacing your Explorer, I would recommend looking past the 31 mile electric range. During your test drive, ask the dealer to let you drive the Outlander PHEV in EV mode. Then ask him to let you test drive another Outlander PHEV with a completely depleted battery. Drive the depleted for a few miles and if you're satisfied with how it drives, then get it. If you are not satisfied, then better go for the RAV4 Hybrid. Let me know which one you end up getting.
@@FuelEconomyTest Whats the difference?
How about a review of the Toyota RAV4 Prime and specs.
Can the gas and electric be used at the same time like a normal hybrid to maximize fuel economy?
Yes you can. I does that in the normal mode.
How many miles to the gallon petrol Would this car do if you didn’t have the electric back up
You would think they would have designed it so u can close the flap with that charger plugged in.. ??
What's the fuel economy with hybrid driving?
Everything is great except that you should take battery net capacity not gross capacity to calculate corectly ;) same for EVs
I have 2015 model but it doesn’t have EV button, just the charge battery button and save battery button?
To make this "fuel economy" analysis more complete you should have also calculated the cost when using the gas engine to further your range. ;)
The engine runs at 3 specified rpm's the middle version is 10L/100 high is 16L100 according to the watchdog app. Most people if running on charge mode end up with 9-10L/100 when running in normal mode or save mode expect the numbers to be lower. Calgary (our home) to red deer( Mitsubishi dealership) one way 140km is 5.8L/100 mainly highway driving 110km/hr
Can u pls do a test on hybrid mode
Great to watch this practical information. But I still be struggling about phev for Uber driving? I just wonder to know how much cost without any plug in charge? Many thanks.
I drive Lyft with my 2018phev summer I can Ave 40-45 mpg on an ave 250 mile day but I control when it chargers to get that..it's the best I've ever driven bin the snow amazing
I have had an Outlander phev for 4 years. Without charging typically 33mpg, realistic miles on a full battery is 20 at a cost of £2.00 so 10p a mile equivalent to 56 mpg. This is my experience others may do better.
Hi
I recently bought 2015 Outlander. When I charge battery through normal home socket (UK), the expected miles always keep fluctuating between 10 to 15 miles, not sure why and how? Also when I drive it actually doesn't give me that many miles at all for city runs (speed limit 30 miles per hr)… also if I don't drive for 24 to 28 hours then battery gets discharge on its own? does anyone know why is this? and how much warranty Mitsubishi gives on Battery? Please advise
hi, so what was it?
Is there a way we can close/lock the charging port cover/door?
This would have been a better review if you compared the Mitsu to the RAV4 HYBRID. Rather unfair that you failed to do this :(
Rav4 is Gas-Hybrid not PHEV.
Hope someone brought up the massive degradation issue the PHEV suffers from. So whatever range you get this test you can take heaps off it as the months go by.
Yes the battery degradation is a Mitsubishi embarrassment. Crs less than 3 years old with state of health lost 20% go electric or go diesel. Another you tube video look it up diesel v hybrid shows the diesel as cheap or cheaper to run. The diesel also can tow 500kg more and have 7 seats these are features suv buyers want. If you only need 5 seats and dont tow 2000kk by an ionic all electric. Hybrids also are gradually losing their initial advantages like subsidies and congestion tax rebates.
In-fact does not lock the charge port. View my profile picture.
whats the rate of charge recuperation. is it realistic to recharge battery when on the HWY for say 30min?
I want one, so thinking about getting rid of my EVO.
Dont 😭😭😭
@@marcioseia5232 Just did!
How do you check to see how much miles you have once the car has been charged what do I press?
There is a button low on the panel to the left of the steering wheel that will let you change the display mode to show both current EV range and current EV+Gas range.
heyidiot it’s on the right.
So mine says 6.6 kw.. how long would that take to charge?
Thanks 👍
Isn't it 6.5 cents kWh in Ontario at low peak
what is the gas and electric like?
If they make an AWD minivan with this drivetrain than it would fit me. For now, I need more trunk in my vehicle.
Also, the drivetrain's downside is acceleration under slow speeds. The competition doesn't have that downside from what I know.
Anyway, it is a good vehicle. Mitsu did a great job with it ;)
2020 Mitsubishi Delica D5 diesel is a fantastic AWD mini van. US wont see it though because doesnt give us any of their cool shit anymore. No Monteros/Pajeros, only China/Taiwan gets the Lancer.
@@kylemas2005 I like AWD minivans, as they offer ultimate utility for camping, hunting etc.
Saying that, I'm VERY disappointed by D:5: no spare tire and to steering wheel regulation in horizontal axel. So it doesn't fit my body proportions ;(
Fortunately, both Toyota and Honda offers AWD in all of their minivans in Japan. It should be enough for my needs, but I'd like it to be better. There are new models comming from Toyota that will target a growing AWD/nature/SUV trend in Japan.
I agree with you on the rest.
No Pajero Sport in Jp as well. Strange story that Mitsubishi struggles to sell their BOF on Japanese market while Toyota is doing fine with both Land Cruisers ;)
www.mitsubishi-motors.com.au/vehicles/pajero-sport
@@valdius85 Americans forgot how big Mitsubishi was here in the states in the 80s and 90s. I'm glad they're making a slow comeback here, they make good cars for their prices. Is Mitsu as good as Toyota/Honda? In my opinion, no. However Mitsu has been making cars for over 100 years. They made the Zero fighter plane, which was one of the finest aircraft carrier based fighters in early 20th century. They're apart of one of the biggest conglomerates in Japan. Mitsubishi is even making a new stealth fighter plane, The Shin Shin.
@@kylemas2005 Please do not mix massive company branches on the Japanese market. Mitsu does most things from banking, bridges, tanks, cars to pencils. These are separate companies under the same umbrella.
Panasonic does houses in Japan, can you say these houses must be good quality because Panasonic does top glass batteries?
... saying that P. houses seem to be very well made and tech is advanced, but I hope you get my point ;)
Any product should be validated separately with minimal bias. I know it is hard, but at least that should be the aim.
I am happy there is more choice and Mitsu has many good ideas. They do top-selling PHEV in EU and their electrical branch seems to be now collaborating with the car branch. Judging from D:5, more attention to detail is necessary, but still, I am happy for that car to be available on the JP market. ;)
The effect of M. management cheapness, this car doesn't fit my needs - no steering wheel regulation, so no comfort for long trips.
I do not understand that only JP gets D:5, since vans of that size sell well in all EU countries.
I'd be more confident in the reliability of their product if they'd chosen better collaborator. Nissan's products have terrible reliability reputation and Mitsubishi is using a lot of their parts - like CVT :(
This is a long message, sorry ;)
@@valdius85 Mitsubishi vehicles have demonstrated much better longevity using the JATCO CVT7 & CVT8 though. Programming is the key.
Debating between Venza hybrid, rx350 lexus and outlander phev??? 🙄🙄
Was the terrain mostly flat?
yes, for the most part.
Whats the full range of kms this can drive with Full tank of Fuel+Full Battery+ Battery Charge Option-ON while driving? 700km?
Furthest we have driven on a single tank and single charge was 560km
So if you've only been driving on electric power why have the miles gone down on the petrol side I had this car a little while ago as a courtesy car and the same thing happened to me what's the point in running electric if you're also burning fuel
It's showing you total expected range, Electric and gas combined
Fuel degrades, it is usually calculated at around 2months for it to become a possible problem, so the car forces you to use fuel before then and refill the tank.
Was that the 3hr battery or the 4hr battery in the model shown?
I don't understand this question.. there is only one size battery in North America currently. The larger battery is available in Europe, Asia and Australia.
At 3:44 it shows the '5-leaf' motif (like a 'star' rating system - eg 1 star is a poor rating but 5 stars is a good one). This is supposed to show how economic you've been, but if you've been driving entirely EV/ECO I would expect 5 stars? Only one leaf is 'filled in', which would indicate poor economy? I drive mine on electric mode in slow roads but use the combustion engine on roads over 40 mph (or slower if saving power for later on), and frequently get 4 leafs, occasionally 5, which would appear to indicate that my 'economy' is better than yours, even though it's not entirely electric! Can you explain why, please?! What would cause this? I'm not criticising at all, just curious to know why! Otherwise a very helpful video - thanks!
I'm not sure why that was showing 1 leaf, but as you'll notice from my other videos my driving style is very conservative.
How many miles you are able to drive drive the full of electric without gas ?
About 50km on 1 charge, more than 1500mls before engine starts if you can drive everyday between charges (home/work), charge takes at least 3 hours at 16A, 6h at 10A home socket. Every so often the engine has to run for a few minutes to preserve the fuel and fuel lines, say 15 minutes every 3 weeks
Benjamin Libotte how many miles I can drive with full electric and gas ?
@@alexman340 350-360mls with full tank and one charge. About 30mls with one charge a day. I can charge twice (3.5h each at 16A), at night (homesocket 6h) and at work (3.5h) so I can do almost 50-55mls per day without gas. Thats why I do 1500mls easy with one tank
Thought the new one had a 2.4L engine???
Europe only, not the U.S., US is 2020
@@chrisbernier3889 US isn't 2020 either. North American market awaits. I already have the Specs on the 2020's.
We can only hope by 2021 I guess...
What about the gas
We'll be sure to do a fuel economy review of the gasoline engine (once the battery is depleted) in the future.
But the comparison between Outlander and RAV-4 is totally wrong! You are comparing apples with oranges!
You should compare total cost (buying, driving, maintenance, etc); and for a company car it is different than for a privately owned. And comparing a Plug-in hybrid with a hybrid is also not fair. Compare it with the new RAV-4 Plugin-hybrid. Maybe then the figures will make sense.
How long did it take to charge again to get 50 miles lol
could this tow a small tear drop trailer?
Not totally sure. Perhaps you can check Mitsubishi's website for information on its towing capabilities.
Hi it's Michelle from Mitsubishi Motors. Maximum capacity is 1,500 lbs towing. Hope this helps.
Yes, we tow one, it comes from the factory with a hitch, it and the Tesla X are they only 2 PHEV rated to Two
Braked towing 1500kg www.mitsubishi-motors.com.au/towing
@@BeggarsAu thats an AU site. Its 1500LBS in North America.
50KM electric drive😅 240V 3.5 hours charging time!
Thats not bad at all if you can drive within the reach to work and back and charge it while at home. I guess most people stay at home for longer than 3.5 hours a day, and then it's ready to go day after.
W J tho you forget it has a petrol generator that feed electricity to the battery continuously extending the range.
Charge it overnight, 1 charge gives me 2 days commuting and a bit over for going to the supermarket or whatever, fantastically cheap, comfortable everyday motoring with the capability to do long trips when you need to. It isn't ideal for long distance commuters but for some people it's a no-brainer.
Intereyer not good looks old school
I'm a fatty so probably 12 miles
This car does 50mpg if you live in the Scottish highlands 20 electric 30 petrol, crap on hills no power supposed to do 144mpg bullshit......
144 mpge is the electric to gas equivalent derp.
@@samusaran7317 Us british called your gas petrol or petroleum your country got is wrong and no it only does 50mpg thats why mitsubishi stopped making them...
@@glynday657850 mpg for the engine not battery propulsion.
Too expensive, no way!
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It’s not economical, takes more than enough petrol on motorway, or over 30 mileages per hour.
When you turn on air condition it became very noisy, battery life is very little.
Not good for commercial use specially .
Youre driving it like a Mustang.
Thats not what a PHEV is intended for :-)
@@mrbihayb Fess up, it's a pack of lies on wheels for economy - unless you plug it in every day and do VERY short trips on flat roads.