Putin will meet a violent end similar to Hitler | Michael Clarke and Andrew Roberts
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- How would Winston Churchill defeat Vladimir Putin?
Military historian Lord Roberts, author of 'Conflict: The Evolution of Warfare from 1945 to Ukraine' sits alongside war analyst Michael Clarke to work out what lessons President Zelensky can learn from the late war time leader.
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As a Yoruba Nigerian immigrant who migrated and lived in the UK since 2002 from age 17, and now about 40years, I fully support and pray for success in all the Great Britain's endeavours. A country I personally regard as the best country in the world. The country that gave me opportunities that I probably never would've had. I support the western world and always will. I pray that UK has what it takes in all respects succeed. I trust the UK and US to lead the world over Russia and other powers. Im just simply grateful and want the best for the world peace too
tough luck
Thank you my friend.
Yeah if it weren't for Brexit the UK is becoming rather small.
What a fool..
French here. Full respect for Churchill forever! Even with all his flaws and weaknesses (possibly because or despite them?) he managed to keep a firm vision of what had to be done, no matter what.
In such grim circumstances as wars or huge humanity crisis, the hard thing is not to fulfill your duty, but to discern it.
Good luck in Ukraine buddy, Jovian God emperor Macron has every confidence that you will succeed against the Russians.
You might even last a couple of weeks.
so all the racism and bigotry, and the millions of lives he ruined mean nothing to people like you lol thats awesome lol you keep rooting for ego racists
indian here. hard disagree
@@TheTororist "hard disagree", meaning pz!
@@TheTororist Given how much India has been supporting Russia during this war, you can take your “hard disagree” and shove it where the sun don’t shine.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it".
Thank you for reminding us that, gentlemen.
The problem being those who are too young to remember it and have been taught an erroneous biased if not untrue version of it.
There's no reason as to why Putin would be considered, by Russians, as being any different to Stalin or Kruschev.As opposed to Trotsky.
Putin is behaving no differently in his role as Kruschev.
The difference is all about how the Western leaders and news providers are dealing with him.
That mirrors exactly how we got dragged into WW1 based on erroneous alliances and strategy.
Which history should we remember exactly, and what does that have to do with the current situation?
Let's not try to be hypocritical by thinking that such quotes exclude western politicians who are key players of instability in the world.
@@highlight1104 simple: appeasement and indecision in confronting aggression leads to major war later.
@@tepesvoda464
So you're saying that JFK appeased Kruschev by talking and making a deal and should have started WW3 instead ?.
Please remember that Australian troops (my father included) contributed immensely to the victory in El Alamein.
Churchill hated Australians and that’s why PM Curtin turned to the USA instead of the UK for protection against the Japanese.
We know!
But you never acknowledge...@@user-ws1qf7ol4k
you mean that time British empire
the British are very arrogant and are not prepared to acknowledge that my friend!
"I don't need a ride, I need ammo!" Brought me to tears.
I remember his words! True love for his country and its people!
This ammo narrative is BS, Ukraine has no army they are all dead, this is why Idiot Macron had is desperate NATO speech. They are about to lose a war they ,Europeans, Americans, invested billions and billions in, and achieved nothing. Making complete dounces of themselves.
I have a very good friend and he said he doesn't need cigars , rolling tobacco will do .. l cried for days 😢
Written for him by script writers and pre tested with audiences
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As a german, I must say how angry I was with chancellor Scholz when he abnegated german tanks for Ukraine.
Half a year later then, german Leopards were rolling in the Ukraine.
Would that have happened earlier, who knows, the war might be over now...
The same seems going on with Taurus rockets today.
So the Ukrainians have to wait for another half year to get that weapon anyway, perhaps???
Ukraine needs ammunition, tanks, airplanes, weapons of any kind!
NOW!!!
But to be fair with Scholz: He didn't meant to take over the chancellorship to become a "war-chancellor" then...
Thank you for this great video!
And all my compliments, respect and awe to Winston Churchill. He in my opinion has been the greatest politician of modern times until today, by far!
Love and peace.
Ukraine needs soldiers. Send your children to volunteer in their army. Show your support.
Chamberlain had the good grace to resign early in the war. Scholz is a Chamberlain-esque figure in every way, only with a different political ideology. Willl Scholz have the gracefulness to resign in favour of someone willing to actually do what is necessary? I doubt it
As a French, I'm really surprised by Scholtz... We expect more courage from German !
@@edleroy7593 I admire President Macron, first he spoke so much to Putin, now he shows a strong backbone.
Perhaps he knows best that Putin is not open for cooperative talking!
Love and peace.
@@Billy97ify what children? there is no children left in europe
Excellent Kate, per usual, and more like this please .... as a yank in the US I appreciate this thoughtful and deep content. Thank you.
Churchill wanted to sort Russia at the end of WW2, but the world at that time had more than enough of War...Especially the USA.
Winston said : 'Not to finish the task will mean every year thereafter, you will drink from the bitter cup', or words to that effect!
A man of many facets (And contradictions) was Winston.
Just like in Ukraine, there was no chance that a conventional war against the Soviet union would succeed.
So the Americans planed a war using tactical nuclear weapons, "Operation Dropshot". They determined it would take 300 Nagasaki style bombs along with conventional forces.
By the time bomb production had ramped up to make this possible Russia had already detonated their version "Joe-1" so the plan was shelved.
The bitter cup of Cold War and now American christo-fascism.
well, especially since the US really had spent enough blood in Europe already, and Europe had no economic capacity to move forward on its own. The colonies were spent too.
The Americans at that time were wise. Russia would have beaten the Allies in a normal conflict. Only by using nukes could the west have won. Th3 west in fact did have a plan to nuke the major Russian cities. So who are the baddies?
@@mtn1793 Don't blame Christianity for the Neocons, I think you will find a different religion predominates 😂.
Remember, Churchill gave Turing ressources to build a decoding machine, which was cutting edge technology and probably tipped the balance for the allies, despite British generals not understanding what the whole fuss was about 😊 (edited to correct spelling mistake in his name)
And still couldn’t pardon him for being gay.
Alan Turing (not "Turning") was just a part of the intelligence of Bletchley Park.
@@garrystone561indeed, but made he made a significant contribution which is well documented.
Sure he is from Lincoln where I live. We did loads for the war in Lincolnshire. First tank etc.
Nice smiley face /s Turing killed himself due to the British torturing him because he was gay. The British tortured their own war hero with castration. His suicide, which was by poison, was dismissed as an investigation. If you are going to bring up Turing for his genuis, then acknowledge the tragedy of his life. Let’s “remember” what they did to him.
Thank you Michael Clarke, Andrew Roberts, and Times Radio, for the live stream.
My respect to the British. They are staunch allies and I admire how they stood for Ukraine throughout the war, unlike many other big countries.
It's important to remember that every country strives to provide aid according to its capabilities, and there is no need to view it as a competition. Many nations do their best to contribute in various ways, and we should appreciate their efforts.
Thank you so much for your support. It means for us, Ukrainians, a lot.
Absolutely first rate! Hats off to all involved in this interview. We need more media outlets to focus on educating listeners.
It is not 1942. It is February 1939.
Winston Churchill has NEVER been compared with Zelensky. Zelensky has sometimes been compared with Churchill.
I've seen Michael Clarke give updates on Ukraine on Sky News. He's a good commentator. Multiple thumbs up!
PS - I'm an American.
Lol so you like to be lied to
@hmmm2564 yep the truth is pootler is already in Kiev with 0 casualties to ruzzians😂😂😂 silly orc fool
I think Michael Clarke is an outright liar and propagandist.
Yeah. He predicted the Russian military would collapse after
3 months . And the " success " of the Spring Offensive .?!?
Obviously an expert then ???
@2msvalkyrie529 he said the offensive would collapse and it did much faster than 3 months and ruzzia lost everything to the Dnipro
A great debate from which we can all learn and hopefully be motivated into acceptance of our current fate. Jens Stolenberg recently described Ukraine as the open wound of Europe. The people of all European countries including the UK, must for all our sakes, be committed to fully supporting Ukraine's war of aggression by Russia.
You mean supporting US's proxy war with Russia at all costs? No thanks.
Yes we want to continue to be the American Neo Cons' vassals
Considering all the effort and money we in the west put forth to be prepared for Soviet/Russian aggression, for 70+ years, it is beyond me why some of our leaders are so reticent to fully support Ukraine. As an American, I am ashamed of the political brinkmanship currently taking place in the US House of Representatives. If we as a nation, do not fulfill the promises we made to help Ukraine, "for as long as it takes," we lose the moral high ground. I am a Reagan Republican, and the current Republicans in the House are embarrassing. The war against Ukraine is more important than party differences. Stopping Putin now will be much less costly in gold and people, than fighting an emboldened Putin in the future.
Well said!
Embarrassing to read such comment, specially coming from Regan era person. Although the following might not make sense to you, and you'll say that it has nothing to do with the actual crisis at hand, it is safe to assume that you believe the war in the Middle East (Iraq, Afghanistan) invasion was because of the 911 attack was done by them.
Sure those were terrorists, but not from outside the US. Gotta clean house first, even your president Jorge Bush said it. C'mon now.
I completely agree. Dictators only negotiate when it benefits them - there is no such thing as a "promise" or "agreement" with them. While I personally have issues with Reagan's domestic politics, I think he did a lot of good in Europe with his foreign politics, and the isolationist Republicans are undoing his legacy.
Wow the propaganda of the West has done a number on you three 🤦♂️
The point is that the real invaders to Europe are Muslims and Americans
GB has had a rocky road since Brexit. I've never seen it look this bad. All the wrong politicians since Cameron. In time's of crisis exceptional men come through. GB needs in right now. I'm a Irish, a nationalist, Republican at heart. I shouldn't care about GB but I do. Like it or not we have a close history mostly a bad one but together we're stronger. . Against Dictators that want war we have to stick together. Slava Europe ✊☘️
You are right about the desperate state of GB since brexit. We really are in a bad way. The UKIP/conservative party are the worst we have ever seen. We do need a massive reset. It's going to take years to get back to somewhere where we were in the late 1990's. Most of this nightmare is the UK admitting that we are not the empire anymore. We need a reset in attitude and we need to rejoin the European Union and help to build that up. We need a common defence force with European countries for sure.
Its not a third year, its been 10 years. Or were you sleeping all that time.
Nice to see you back, Ms Gerbeau. Excellent interview with acknowledged experts.
Where is that Churchillian level of commitment among the people we have in Britain today?
The British People today ???
A large and growing percentage of the " British People " are made up of recent arrivals who have Zero
interest in Britain 's History or Culture. In fact ,they quite openly despise it . ie. Britons are all racists / colonialists etc.
There is zero sense of Social Cohesion or National Identity in
Britain today. So you can forget
about young Britons signing up to
defend their country . There is no
Country left to defend !!
Thank you 💛 both very much for your excellent report today. I agree that President Zelenskyy is a hero. May God Bless him and his beloved and beautiful family. Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦
Been waiting for this analysis since the start of the full-scale invasion of Ukraine by Russia TWO years ago. It's as if Europeans have completely forgotten WWII
Like Julian Assange
Not all Europeans. Beside, bombing of sovereign European country and changing borders by force - courtesy of NATO in 1999.
Those who forget history are condemned to live it again.
There was never a full-scale invasion. Not even close. Russia barely sent in 15% of their military. If it was full-scale, they would've leveled Kiev in 12 hours.
@@XtremiTeez 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤪
Churchill was by no means the only politician who saw the war coming. At Versailles the British there all agreed it would come in a generation. But speaking out about it was very unpopular, and Churchill, already being largely put out of politics for his failures in WWI, could afford to take the risks of talking about the next war.
Interesting point that he had less to lose as being an political outcast. Still, appeasement was a real and destructive policy and Churchill fought it and won ultimately.
Churchill only got into government on the first day of the war, so you are right.
@@user-mv6he6gl8mContrary to popular opinion, Chamberlain and others were not unaware of the problem. The key concern of Chamberlain was how to get Stalin out of Eastern Europe if he ever got into it, and certainly a war between western powers would raise that possibility. In addition, it was quite evident at the time that the UK was not yet prepared for a war and most certainly needed more time to try and catch up with Germany in terms of war production. Sure, one can argue that Germany was not as ready for war at the time, but that begs the question of just who exactly was truly a clairvoyant at the time. And i would also note that Churchill himself thought much more kindly of Chamberlain than you do.
@@thomasjamison2050Agreed. People forget that.
ofc churchill saw the war coming, he and his politicians had been instigating war for years prior. They wanted war.
President Zelenskyy told the Americans what they needed to hear, like any good leader would when his country is being attacked and his claims of victory could have eventuated had the Anericans given Ukriane the means. Unfortunately once again Anerica has shown its true colours.
It has already been said how many horrendous mistakes costing countless lives Churchill and staff and the Americans as well made in WW2; how many defeats and set backs, how many crazy generals, political controversies etc etc. In this era we have far more access to information and President Zelenskyy is under enormous pressure while being firmly in the public spotlight and the scrutiny that brings. Let us remember that only one country, Ukraine, is fighting Russia. The rest of us sit on the sideline and pick at the petty or exaggerate the normal.
I don't accept Mr Clarke's evaluation and I have heard him say before that Ukraine will have to give up at some territory. He may know about military matters but the human is missing from his analysis.
Absolutely. Poor président Zelenskyy has to put up with western politiciens being so slow and not delivering the arms promised. How can Ukraine regain it's land back without the right équipement
@@angela2726By having competent generals who can win the war with what they have and not what they wish to have like all good generals did in history
Brilliance and Clarity from all three....thank you.
Churchill understood history.
No he bloody didn’t
If we had fought Napoleon the same way as he fought war Napoleon would have defeated Britain
He wrote it. He wrote his version. Like he said he would.
He wrote it!!
Thank you so much, I love you both. Slava Ukraini. Glory to UK❤🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Loooove Michael Clarke, frontline and times radio.
Sad
Love to see Intelligent gentleman and intelligent ladies are still around to be heard
The wisdom and foundational history shared by your guests gives me hope. THANKYOU. ❤😊
First class presentation with expert opinion. Brilliant.
Lol he should go drag the war to the direction he predicts it will go😂😂
They're been predicting and analysing since the start of the war but nothing has happened yet😂😂😂
The US Congress and Little Mike Johnson need to provide full military and economic support for Ukraine and its fight for freedom.
Nah
Yes spot on 👍
He’s a Russian asset.
Presumably, Churchill's first move would have been to ensure the British military did not end up like Dad's Army.
Before he sent them to their deaths in some harebrained scheme like Gallipoli.
Very true. They are good at talking in very bellicose terms. However, the logistics, industry, and recruitment are not there. It is very obvious that the West has not decisively won any war and peace after it since World War 2 and the Marshall Plan.
usa here- it makes me CRINGE that idiots like MTG are even coming up in your conversation. Living here right now is deeply frightening. Its a nightmare. What i continually think about (between sighs of disgust at our collective/national mental breakdown) is how very very many people (mainly lawyers) who are fighting SO Hard to protect our democracy. I am grateful to them everyday. The seeds of our current plight go back decades. It is a very hard fight.
We r not all nuts on this side of the pond. We r looking on in horror. -old lady, usa.
You are so "smart" and "superior". As we jail journalists in the West we complain about Putler. Even though NATO is the one who demanded expansion to Russia's borders. Expansion of what? LGBTQ+++ rights? How are we the good guys exactly?
Defeating Trump in november will be your biggest contribution to this war against the new axis of evil. As an European, I have great hope in your will for democracy and freedom, even in this strange times for your country. The free world needs United States, and USA needs a free world. There's no other options, and we must be clear about that in every possible way.
God bless you, my yank friend.
Agree here in USA
The west needs to get serious about not just helping Ukraine to defend itself but to WIN this war and defeat Putin
But, my iPhone says I should always be fair and balanced, and that I am always being lied to by "power", and Ukraine...I dunno, its really like complicated and stuff, and white people killing other white people is just old news. I only really care about those nice brown Palestinians being bombed by those horrible colonial occupier Israelis because my Tik Tok feed is trending Free Palestine these days......Honestly, this is what most Americans under the age of 30 are saying and thinking. They didn't live through the cold war, 9/11 happened when they were children or barely alive and they are incapable of original thought. I keep hoping they'll wake up and save us and themselves, but I've come to the conclusion that they are pretty much just life support devices for their cell phones.
The US needs a great leader. Not Trump, not Biden. Maybe MIT Romney! 🇺🇸
Zelensky - Churchill with an iPhone.
Putin - Genghis Khan with a troll farm
Genghis Khan?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
putin makes Mr. Humphries from Are You Being Served look like the manliest man who's ever existed.
This is such a great series with great people, thanks and keep it up!
Thank you for your program Slava, Ukraine
I like the saying:
"Zelensky is the comedian, Putin is a joke."
Putin made his biggest mistake by thinking, Zelensky would flee the country at the first shot. Nothing else would have played more into Putin's plan than this.
Zelensky outsmarts Putin in virtually every way. Not only by his professional work in war time but also by accurately managing the media zone which cannot be underrated since media today dominates politics more than ever before.
very true - 100 % !!!
Managing media zone? If you claim you shoot down 14 planes in 14 days it's wining media war but how it's relevant to actual war? Zelensky was comedian, now he is tragic figure in Ukraine. Of course he doesn't care about 31k dead Ukrainians cause he is not one himself.
Talk about being delusional….. you need to get out more..?
I bet you believe the "I need ammunition not a ride" myth (created by the CIA).
@@conner.9262stop being a Conner, Conner.
Gallipoli forced Churchill to consider finding a better way of making a landing on a enemy shore. From that came the Landing Ship Tank which allowed a rapid and massive reinforcement supply of the beachhead. This was one of the things that made D Day possible.
With emphasis on the word "many".
An American invented the landing craft for D-Day.
I especially enjoy how Mr. Clarke and Mr. Roberts support each other during this discussion and that each uses points of the other other to take the conversation further.
Great and interesting discussion. These years really needs to be seen in a historical perspective. I really have an oppressive feeling of us re-living 1938 in slowmotion.
The much more recent US gov'ts and NATO's illegal wars of aggression and destruction of Afghanistan, Iraq, Sudan, Ethiopia, Somalia, Libya and Syria for regime change and oil don't seem more relevant to this war in Ukraine where Biden has called for regime change in Russia and ended the Russian Nord Stream natural gas pipeline and the long ago German , Polish and Hungarian annexations of Czechoslovakia in 1938?
Churchill was a great wit and communicator who (despite his prejudices), seemed to comprehend the big picture and wasn't shy about taking action. There are endless quotes like "The Americans can be counted on to do the right thing (after they have exhausted all the other alternatives)". I don't know if it is accurate but it is still valid.
Great guests.... Nice work..
The Dambusters raid was far more successful than many realise. Thousands of workers and many tons of resources had to be diverted from the building of the 'Atlantic Wall' to the repair of the dams. So when the Allies landed in Normandy they faced, in many places, unfinished defences.
Excellent.
The two brilliant guests bounced off one another really well and it made the whole interview much more dynamic than having only one guest.
Keep up your good style of work.
The Times will always have Gallipoli.
And realizing the constraints of interview journalism, I still think a little more respect is due Churchill's "three good ideas." Because all of Churchill's good ideas can be credited with transforming the British military from a snobbish private club into a professional modern army. Starting with his regard for the health and sanitation of his troops. Or we can just snicker along with Roy Jenkins about Churchill requiring porters to carry his gold plated bathtub around the front.
I believe the times produce the man, time after time. Thank goodness
12:54: With El Alamein Churchill went through several Generals before settling on General Mongomery
He settled on Monty by default since General Gott whom he had picked had died in a plane crash.
Throwing around words like "total mobilisation" so easily seems... I don't know. Callous? It's people for heaven's sake. People, a lot of whom are going to get shot and blown up and crippled and mangled. A war is a horrifying ordeal and talking about it so lightheartedly is off-putting.
This word really worries me. A lot of people my age 70+ seem to think a War won't affect them. After all who sends 70 year olds to the front line. So these people seem puzzlingly happy to think of their grandsons and granddaughters going to a bloody mutilating death as they will be cosy at home on the sofa in front of the tv. A few are looking forward to recreating Dads Army,they think it will be cosy and funny,but the real Dads Army had to be prepared to cut people's throats. Actually Mobilisation could mean being told to pack a bag,get on a coach,be taken to some far away strange location,assigned a bunk in a hut and forced to work at making bombs. Or something. Just to keep it unpleasant for you.
They have lost contact with reality and are unable to compensate by using their imagination. Like troubled children they think the war is just a game being played over the screen. There is an empathy deficit.
my father-in-law told me that his regiment, the Cheshire Yeomanry, was in one of the last cavalry charges in the middle east, in the second world war! Not sure of the details - he has long been dead - but it was a long time after Omdurman.
Thank you for this. It’s fantastic. What a lot of people forget is that as a % of population, Ukrainians made up a higher part of the Red Army and the German’s first defeat was in Ukraine.
Lest we Forget 😢
really? i thought the first defeat for Germany was Stalingrad .. until then the Germans were on a roll
@@danobrien3601 well, that is a very superficial perspective. Stalingrad was the major turning point, correct, but there were defeats on the way of course, too. And since the Germans took a long time for ethnic and religious cleansing in Ukraine that was also the wake of partizans against them btw.
Like Stepan Bandera??
@@miladinperic837 like Putler-Troll?
A very informative and positive discourse and greatly appreciated.
First class interview, we really need more stuff like this to make people understand what's really going on in our world. 🤞🇬🇧
No need to compare both as they are two legendary world leaders with their own styles. But definitely two rare cases of unprecedented leadership.
So very informative and appreciated... Thanks!
Interesting. Very enjoyable listen, but some analysis I didn't agree with. Most I did though.
Thank you for a great broadcast, ones like these are very important for all, as we enter an uncertain period of history.
Courageous, principled, irreplaceable Alexei Navalny, you can NEVER die and you will NEVER die ...
... nor will the precious seed that you've planted of an open, democratic and "beautiful" Russia replacing Vlad the Small's 24-year kleptocracy.
Slava Ukrayïni, in passing.
Well said friend!
Slavi Ukraine
And before kleptocracy there was democracy, whee in few years some people reached wealth of 50 billions USD by snatching state resources.West had a chance with democratic, open Russia and West had wasted that chance. There will be no next.
Let me give you small insight about dictators versus democracy: there is no difference between dictator bombs and democracy bombs. TNT is the same everywhere.
I’m sure he’s plaque’s in the CIA and M16 are being made as we speak
I do wonder how you'll react when you discover that Russia had absolutely nothing to do with his death?
It is MOST likely to have been Mi6 who assassinated him......
Regarding Navalny himself, if you are courageous enough, you should do a deep dive into what he was 'actually' about, and what type of man he really was. This, too, may prove unpleasant to discover.
History, true history, does not take sides.... it merely records facts.
Thank you… for using the word from Churchill “against appeasement”. Frankly it’s the missing word of the pundits in the past two years!
What an excellent episode much respect to all .❤
Excellent informative post from two very knowledgeable men, thank you, and Katty for her good questions.
We live in totally different times and Churchill wasn't facing nuclear weapons.
@chirpywiggins5796 No one is facing nuclear weapons; they're just for show, not for use.
No he wasn't but the fight is the same . Britain was fighting for its very survival just as Ukraine is .
Correct. WW2 became nuclear at the end. The world was starting to face that reality.
Russia won't use nuclear weapons if they are threated to lose only the new Ukrainian lands that the occupied
Wow, you showed the wrong speaker for a minute! That was so awkward. Come on editor!
Russian hacking?
Excellent guests and academics too !!!
Andrew Roberts, it is nice to hear one British man that does not think that Russia is invincible, so there is at least one man with a brain in the UK.🙃
Are you in Ukraine?
Dutch woman here. Thanks for this. I completely agree. I am very worried. We in Europe should organize our defense better. And we should ramp up our support to Ukraine to the max of our abilities.
Please tell tell your story also to the MAGA idiots in America.
I'd like to see an analysis of how Reagan or Thatcher would have handled Putin and the Ukraine war
Excellent idea! I subscribe to it. Thank you for that.
Thatcher would’ve still cut the defence budget 😂
Starwars and the Paras.
Fascinating. Thank you.
great interview, right on target... people need to remember what this war in Ukraine is all about... much more than Ukraine!
Churchill was able to mobilise the Americans, but only after the Australian victory at Bardia in 1941. Up until then the Americans saw the European conflict as another waste of money because the victory of the Axis was thought to be inevitable. Ukraine is in a very similar position in that Americans believe that there’s an inevitably to it losing, while the Europeans are rudderless.
Churchill didn't mobilize the Americans, but the money of the left-leaning parts of the UK and the US pushed for war. Churchill then thought, he would end up as a partner on equal terms, but he was nearly useless for the US in the cold war, besides keeping Britain on side of a North Atlantic pact and uninvolved in Europe. While being technically bankrupt, the US gambled on winning and they could recapitalize themselves after the "sucessful" war. Britain could not, also because they didn't cut spending and couldn't invest the way the US could.
With regard to the Americans and Europeans and Ukraine you're way off the mark on both counts. So much so that it's actually embarrassing to read. The things that everybody is agreed upon is that:
1) Ukraine can only win this war if it gets sufficient military backing from other countries
2) it's not getting that, hasn't got that at present and will lose significant territory this year for no other reason than the United States, being the only power with sufficient stocks of materiel (and even then falling short in a couple of areas) this year, is suffering a political psychotic episode
3) not enough urgency is being shown by Western countries collectively
4) European countries alone are perfectly capable of helping Ukraine turn the tide but not during 2024
5) European countries have more than stepped up on the financial front: supporting Ukraine financially is well within European means. They simply don't have the supply chains in place at this point in time in 2024 to manufacture weapons at the high burn rate that the Ukrainians need.
This is a war of attrition that a) European countries cannot afford to lose and b) have the means to win that Russia does not, despite its war economy, 18 month head start and assistance from North Korea and Iran. Obviously that task would be made far, far, far easier with access to the US arsenal. Because if that doesn't happen then Ukraine will certainly lose territory this year.
As Philip Breedlove, former NATO SACEUR has made very clear, this war will be won or lost in Western capitols, not on the battlefield in Ukraine. Because western countries have all the equipment, technology and economic wherewithal to have Ukraine completely defeat Russia. What they lack (and Ukraine has this in abundance) is the political will to see Russia resoundingly defeated, because they're worried about what comes next. No significant western power has set out the strategic goal of defeating Russia and resourced Ukraine with that in mind. If they did, this war would be over pretty quickly with Ukraine victorious. Russia simply doesn't have the Army or Air Force to prevent that.
We know it. The Ukrainians know it. And the Russians know it, hence all the nuclear threats and rhetoric.
Change that. Give the Ukrainians the armaments that they need to make Crimea untenable for Russia. And all of a sudden it's a whole different ballgame. The Russians don't give a damn about the four oblasts they've tried to annex. But Crimea is a very different matter. And losing control of it would rock Russia to the core.
Winning this war for Ukraine is not difficult to do at all. But it's impossible without the right equipment and right ammunition provided at the right time.
On the other hand, Ukraine losing would come at an extraordinarily high price for both Europe and the United States. Europe is now well aware of this and preparing for the long haul. The United States is too preoccupied with its internal divisions to be decisive. And blame for that lies on both sides of the aisle. It's at risk of falling into an isolationist position due to domestic politics and associated instability.
@@appstratum9747 you did good with your analysis until the very last sentence. The internal divisions in the US with respect to Ukraine are solely on the shoulders of the Republicans. They are the ones playing with Ukrainian lives while the Democrats are desperately trying to get the military aid to Ukraine.
@@appstratum9747 The main point remains about the fact, that the US and UK gave protection promises for Ukraine, what gave them international credit in the past, but now they don't uphold them fully. Biden instead unilaterally shut down industry and energy production, which was built up by Trump, while NATO countries have a situation of dependance towards the US on the one hand, and on the other hand its international agreements and sanctions. Such forced them to demilitarize and deindustrialize. As US/UK also demilitarized Ukraine in the 90's for their own political gain in Moscow and to implement more New World Order like international rules to keep National States down, Ukraine was blank and has now to be rebuild, but from wholy different tax payers as the US forfeits. So, each European state has to decide, where and why they invest, because they all have problems also at home. Without a clear sign from Biden, that the US wants a victory, while the US keeps the overall central management position, nobody with dependence on the US will throw additional money in it, but will instead lower dependence on the US first and scrap any alignment to a failing order.
Also: Moscow wants to destroy Ukrainian independence in it's sense of a fully capitalist economy. Their goal is to keep the influence of the Russian oligarchs alive and greater. They also take the industry of Eastern Ukraine and Crimea. That's where they question the US involvement and it's order (also NATO) like anybody else has questionsmarks.
Russia losing could come at an extraordinarily high price. Who is it that will guarantee that none of Putins successors will feel motivated to use nuclear capabilities. @@appstratum9747
“History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme.” Attributed to Mark Twain.
The key moment was when Boris talked Zelensky into scuppering a peace deal at the last minute. So many lives lost.
There’s some serious Dr. Seuss rhyming going on with Putin and his peeps along with Trump and his peeps. 😊😢
A so-called piece deal entirely dictated by Putin? Classic 1930s spineless appeasement! Feeding the alligator with other people in the misguided hope that the alligator will be fully satisfied until his next meal!
Really enjoyed that discussion. It would be great to have another with two such knowledgeable and amiable guests.
This is the best discussion I have listened to for a long time.
It's amazing how these "Experts" have been incredibly wrong, yet they are continually given a platform to speak.
Very informative.
Slava Ukraine
Excellent programme.
Andrew Roberts makes me laugh. He's my favourite comedian.
Schonen abend ❤ fully agree 💯✔️✔️ Slava Ukraine 💙💛
2 experts on and it wasnt an ego battle! Just pure passion👌
Please have Andrew Roberts on more
Wow - awesome panel and incredible topic!!!
Great Video, thanks gentlemen for a interesting and sobering summary of the likely outcomes for the 2 main players in the Ukraine war. thanks for sharing
Excellent interview, excellent journalism.
1 MILLION Indian soldiers fought in North Africa. Nondescript plaque the size of a dinner plate in St Paul's cathedral. And the Indians put THEIR OWN decolonization on hold for this.
This is belatedly getting attention. The second series of 'The World on Fire' for instance handled this with sensitivity.
A fine discussion, thank you.
Excellent interviewer. Interesting and informative guests.
This has been absolutely fascinating.
AN EXCELLENT DISCUSSION by knowledgeable people on difficult subject. thank you, real info not easy to find to discuss on line . thank you for restoring my faith that intelligent people still exist .
Always such great commentary from your guests.
One thing the discussion of the Ukrainian elections that is missing is that the government did not decide to suspend election, the constitution of Ukraine forbids holding elections in wartime or under a state of emergency. It also forbids the amendment of the constitution under those same circumstances. There is nothing that Zelensky could legally do to hold a presidential election, unless Putin ends his invasion this year.
28 Minutes analyst Michael Clarke hits the Nail.
The problem of our time is that we have too many elites, and too few nobles.
You mean Marjorie Traitor Greene?
We live in a time of instant gratification. Looking at the number of casualties on both sides i can see why people are so impatient.
Churchill was a monster
Very interesting interview, the historical allusions are very relevant in interpreting this tragic war.
Zelensky has never and could never play in the same league as Churchill. Comparing them is borderline ridiculous. Note: Thank you to Times Radio. Very interesting program. Subscribed.
Come to Limassol Cyprus, Greece, Malta and ask yourselves since Ukraine is in "total war" then why are they driving about in luxury cars ?
Ukraine in order not to loose completely needs to get rid of mass corruption. The country has been ravaged and the quicker they come to a peace agreement the better. 400,000 are already, unfortunately, lost.