Dres is correct. This is Black American Culture, Period. That’s the origin. Everything else was incorporated later. I do believe the extra seasoning is valid and a part of it.
You don’t get what he is saying. It was American Blacks, whether your origins were “FBA”, Jamaican, Puerto Rican, it was Black kids from America. The problem is FBA wants to say that if you were born in America, but to Jamaican parents or Puerto Rican parents than you’re not Black, which is f**kin’ stupid and shows Stockholm syndrome and adoption of the white man’s arrogance.
@@customercare8195 what extra seasoning? Where is the Jamaican and Latino seasoning in hip Hop I don't hear it and never have. Sure there have been hits that have had outside influences in them but it has never moved the needle or changed the direction of hip Hop in any way. There have been attempts but it has never worked. The best they can do is create a sub genre.
Only little bit of influence , was the break beat. How ,most of them had Congos, bongos. But that from the Cubans tho. You don't see them trying claim anything 😂 And Pop culture, but like we do cover songs Whitney Houston is the perfect example. Once we flip it , it no longer belongs to that person. @@napalmspears3016
@@melanatedwarrior3530 Brother you need a life, I seen you everywhere commenting about the same subject. You don't get tired of saying the same stuff SMH 😅🤣🤣🤣
Explains why he was speaking how he was speaking......I wonder how many other dark skinned Puerto Ricans and Dominicans were at those first parties during the inception. It was black American created but I would not be surprised if their were other ethnicities who were present. We can only off the word of the OGs, imagine if social media existed back then.
@@jman1562001 I was there in the early 70's in the Bronx, westside and some Puerto Ricans and Dominicans were there listening and watching the Black Americans do there thing!!!! They didn't create any part of Hip Hop but some was there watching and learning the culture.... Back then Dominicans looked Black like us but different culture and a lot of that voodoo stuff in there houses, and plus we was all young kids, so we didn't care who was there, we was just having fun!!!! but some young kids would try to rob you are would be plotting to rob you... Lol 😜I ain't saying nothing🤑
I knew he was something 😮. everyone used to say both of them was brothers. Anyway,A wolf in sheep's clothing is my sh!+! a straight up Masterpiece. Dres, yall were smart to remix the choice is yours. funky road runner remix is another classic. peace.😊
I always used the argument that Jamaicans were ‘Toasting’ before Hiphop started and because of the Jamaican/American culture connection, that it had influenced Hiphop culture. But now Im coming to the understanding that then Jamaican that brought toasting to Jamaica heard it from African American DJs so it still came full circle. Hiphop is African American culture.
But at the same time, what Dres said is right. Everybody who was there falls under the umbrella of New York black in style, lingo, etc. So the conversation is just splitting hairs.
@@ChiefRxcka I should have been more clear. In the interview they talk about who was there in the early stages of hiphop. To me that has nothing to do with creating it. They just showed up early for something that was already there.
@@ChiefRxcka Like I said there's a big difference between the people that created hiphop and the ones who contributed to it when it was already created. Not the same thing.
Y’all trippin. Black American culture is consistently getting undermined and colonized. We started hip hop, black Americans, not Caribbeans or Latinos.
@@murderwitahashtag840 The concept a person toasting over the mic while the music played was done in Kingston jamaica. that started the trend of Startski and others saying things to the crowd "Throw ya hands in the air" ...which is the seeds of rapping came from.
The umbrella is the black household and everybody didn't grow up in the same household. Especially if you didn't grow up in a black American household ,my household, my parents aren't the same as your parents their not doing the same thing as your parents are doing even if they live in the same or similar demographics.
Right. The thing is Black Americans are probably the most inclusive group on the planet. Sometimes that can be to our detriment. I'm from the south and both parents are. Hip-Hop is a Black American genre of music. It's an amalgamation of our parents, grandparents, and even great grandparents music. One thing about us is we don't attempt to lay claim to people's culture. There's nothing Puerto Rican or Jamaican about Hip-Hop. These groups have to assimilate into BLACK AMERICAN CULTURE to even participate in Hip-Hop.
They don't even know what a baby Boomer is. A baby Boomer is somebody that's born between the years of 1946 and 64 after World War 2 when there was a upmark in birth rate. For real, you disregard the facts that people put. And then I gotta check your twice one again This is the official definition of a baby boomer "Baby Boomers were born from approximately 1946 to 1964. A tidal wave of births created the appropriately named Baby Boomer generation, as they literally represent a boom in the birth rate" I said ask your parents because they're baby. Boom was more than likely like mines are Glasser. Uncle glass to baby Boomer about hip-hop. See what they tell you cause. My mom just told me she thought it came from Scatting She started name and off people that scated ,she even named the last poets? That's coming from a 1950 baby boomer. Mind you she said who said this, with emphysis she said people ben rapping
Respect to them both. 46 year old white guy. Started listening to hip hop late 80s. 91-92 was probably my favorite years of hip hop-I was 13. Black Sheep and Chi Ali were some of my fav back then “. Chi had dope joints-Funky Lemonade remix
They’re speaking from an 80’s perspective. In the 70’s blacks and Puerto Ricans were largely separated and divided. And Puerto Ricans were a minority. Whites were 67%, blacks 22% and Ricans 12% then. The Latino population starts to explode late 70’s and early 80’s and Puerto Rican population decreases some. More Dominicans migrate to Bronx then. They were not all there. Black Spades created Hip Hop in Bronxdale and a few Puerto Ricans were in the mix. No Puerto Ricans created any element but they contributed to its further development. It’s really that simple.
"South Bronx: A jungle Stalked by Fear, Seized by Rage" - New York Times 1/15/1973 "Over the last 10 years, middle‐class whites have fled the South Bronx, which is now home to a young, shifting population that is 65 per cent Puerto Ricans and other Hispanics and the remainder blacks..."
@@divineharris6463 you're misinformed about the Black Spades. The Black Spades were created in 1968. You mean the Zulu Nation was created in the mid 70's. 1976 to be exact. The Zulu Nation came out of the Black Spades 10th Division. Black Spades 1st Division was Bronxdale.
@@divineharris6463 if you were there why are you lying? you're not even correct about the Black Spades liar. They were not together like that either. There were a few Puerto Ricans that hung out with Blacks. you trying to act like it was all love. They was gang warring against each other.
@@divineharris6463 FIRST OF ALL HERC AND ONE OF THE ORIGINAL BLACK SPADES FAT MIKE SAID HOW THEY USE TO GO DIFFERENT JAMS.. MATTER THE HEAD OF IT SAID HOW THEY USE GO TO DIFFERENT JAMS MONK. LIKE THE PLAZA TUNNEL OFF THE GRAND CONCOURSE AND THE PUZZLE NEAR RIVER AVE. A LIL LATER THE A HEVALO... FAT MIKE EVEN GOT A VIDEO SHOWING WHERE THE TUNNEL USE TO BE. THEY ALSO USE TO PARTY NEAR WESTCHESTER OVER BY 163RD. 3RD AND 170.. KOOL HERC USE TO BE AT. THIS ALL '71-73 BEFORE THAT FLYER. AND THE OTHER DUDE IS RIGHT. IT WAS STILL PRETTY SEGREGATED.
What music was being played in Jamaica , PR , and the Caribbean Islands in the 50's , 60's and 70's.? How can someone help created a sound that's not even in them. Blacks in the U.S. grew up on Soul , Blues , Funk , RnB, and Gospel.
Calypso, Rhumba, Son Mambo, Salsa.. but anybody that Latino & Carribean who has influence off jazz, is the Cubans. They not trying claim nothing tho. 😂 And I was talking about the ones that pass for " black "
Dres made three of the most enlightened comments I've heard in this debate on either side: 1. First, he make the very important distinction between American Blacks and New York Blacks: this distinction is just as important as that between JA, PR, and American Blacks; because Chicago, Detroit, and Down South had even less to do with the birth of Hip Hop than JA and PR. 2. He acknowledges that other cultures were there; however, instead of debating whether they were "participating" or "creating" (which would be an endless argument), he score a telling point: EVERYONE fell under the umbrella of American (or, really, New York) Black culture. 3. He rightly says that it's stupid to argue when we were all right next to each other on the same slave ship--and that goes for Jamaicans, Puerto Ricans, Cubans, or whoever.
@@PrinceSonCheeba Nah, G. Look at the other comments: they getting 20-30 likes and responses; I got three. People prefer you to rehash slogans and emotional FBA tropes; no one wants honest, intelligent assessments. Look, some even bash Dres. Thank you, though, son! I appreciate being appreciated.
@@CIWisethe majority of the population are ignorant. And Black men today are soft. They get emotionally worked up by scammers like Tariq. And most aren’t even from NY or into Hip Hop. I just accept that today that’s the way of the world but regardless I always will stand on truth.
There was never any question or doubt before that Hip Hop was a “Black” thing and Kool Herc threw the most popular party but even he admitted that it was happening before the big well known party that got to be known as the starting point. Puerto Ricans were there from the start as well BUT just because you were there doesn’t mean you were an original contributor. Not all the black people who attended were creators either, you had to have DONE SOMETHING SPECIFIC to be considered a co-creator, not just talking about “We were there!” A lot of Puerto Ricans embraced Freestyle music more than rap and dubbed it ‘Latin Hip Hop’ as to differentiate themselves from “Black” rap music early on. The Scene in DoTheRightThing when Radio Raheem had the sound battle with the group of Puerto Ricans was kinda accurate, co creators wouldn’t have had a problem with Fight the Power blasting from a radio. 😏 And I’m both Black and Puerto Rican.
Hiphop is black culture. The golden era of hiphop sampled all of the oldies and created new music from a foundation that was already made by groups like Parliament and the Isleys. Listen to every classic album that came out in the golden era and see how we took from our previous generation of black music to make something new conceptually.
Its not only Black. It’s latino, it’s Caribbean and White. Graffiti had many White kids painting. Many Breakdancers were Latinos. Musically HipHop has been influenced by ALL MUSIC not only Black music. So your comment is way off my brother. Study the culture and learn because you have it twisted.
@@sibagiba nah I got it right… you talking about reggaetone lol not hip hop… and I do know it was Hispanics that where down with it early on but they weren’t inserting hispanic culture into it they where getting down with what we where doing… just like fat Joe did
@@repentyasharahla7632 my dude, DJs played all types of records and not just Soul music so you’re wrong on that. Bambaataa one of the first DJs had the most Obscure records and they weren’t all Black music and that’s 💯 #facts. Culturally speaking its multi cultured and not Strictly black like you say. Sorry my dude, you got it twisted. Kool Herc is Jamaican and Not african American. So Again you wrong. A large portion of samples are from Black music, Yes indeed but the Culture is NOT strictly black like you seem to think.
@@sibagiba yes it is.. i said reggeatone being sarcastic lol.. if you not talking about no Jamaicans off the boat or plain from Jamaica I don’t wanna hear it…. Biggie Moms is from the Islands … shoot I’m Haitian! But when we talking black americans we talking about all of us that grew up in Babylon my guy … New York is a melting pot we know this but Spanish culture didn’t have any influence on hip hop and you no this cut it out…. It’s the other way around it’s Jenny from the block… it’s Daddy Yankee and Reggea tone that got influenced… the same way I’m Haitian and I’m not trying to inert Haitian culture into hiphop even though I know plenty of Haitian people that live it
I don't think chi really gives a shit. And neither should anyone else. This is Hip-hop theater. The music I love has Turned into the WWE! Straight Nonsense Have a blessed day everyone 🙏
Im not from NY so dont really care. All I know is that being a West Coast hiphop head the music/culture I love came from NY. thats it. the reality is all modern music originated from black people. I hope this debate dies off soon
Joe wasn't even there lol....he was talking about pictures he seen. But truth be told their probably was other ethnicities at the first parties they just ain't announce it lol. Unless OGs who were there speak on this is all hearsay.
@@PrinceSonCheeba Nah, Chi Ali is most likely Caribbean. And he's from COOP CITY. That's Caribbean central. I know this, personally. So to your knowledge, is Dres half black American?
Dres summed it up well. I am sick of this argument though, not only is it under the umbrella of Black American Culture, but it was literally created in Black American neighborhoods, using Black American slang, sampling Black American Jazz, Blues, R & B. I get the argument of wanting to not be erased, but at the same time, it's kinda splitting hairs. I think that's why Chi looked bored.
The spark that started the fire 🔥 Kool Herc 🎶 born in Jamaica 🇯🇲 came to USA at 12 🤨 The breakdancers & graffiti artist were definitely a mix of peoples while the culture now known as Hip Hop was developing. Developing! Early non black contributors Rick Rubin, Blondie,Beastie Boys etc. Definitely origins is pure Black American Culture just like other genres, fashion, etc. But definitely influences from many make it what is.
Its nice to see how Dre’ss really feels about PR and Jamaicans but he got married i believe in PR not sure if he’s half but wow i see dudes true colors fr shout out to chi Ali who didn’t entertain the non sense🇵🇷🇵🇷🇵🇷🇵🇷🇵🇷💯
Okay for everyone who is clueless the breakbeat that is the staple of hip hop music was made by a Jamaican who used two turn tables which is a stable of the Jamaican dancehall sound system to create the breakbeat… he is regarded by legends in hip hop as the Godfather of hip hop as without it the music doesn’t exist… we’re not talking about rapping
I appreciate Dres said black NYers created hip hop. People are pretty much the same everywhere with social media, but there used to be a big difference between NYers and people from other states.
@@loveismyreligion6620 Did DJ Kool Herc Rep Jamaica on the tracks? Did he bring the sound of the Island of Jamaica to the Bronx? Maybe he was listening to a lot of Curtis Mayfield , James Brown , and Motown. Just like every other Black American.
So by your logic, African Americans should have to forfeit all their inventions to white people because white culture is the dominant culture in New York and they have to change their accent when they get there from the Southern accent and Is that what you're saying Or is there a double standard?.@@melanatedwarrior3530
We all know which Puerto Ricans were there it was the Afro-Puerto Ricans not the Indian-Spaniards if any Puerto Ricans it is the Afro-Puerto Rican...They were the ones who were first around the American Community of people..
Hip hop was going before ‘73 more ‘68-‘71 but it wasn’t called hip hop it was the jams or Get down and nothing about hip hop has the spirit of the Caribbean islanders. No slang,no dress code,no cadence from the Latinos at all.
What's crazy the term Hip Hop, was originally Hippity Hop. It was a diss from the older folks. Because of the circus like shows from 1920s by Americans of color. 😂
WELL SAID DRES!!! HIP HOP IS A BLACK MUSIC FROM NYC TO VOICE OUR 🌎 70'S/80'S. LATINO PARTICIPATED B BOYING/WHITE KIDS GRAFFITI. BUT BLACK FROM INCEPTION❤
Everybody’s confusing inventors with contributors that’s where people are uneducated on words nobody saying, other people didn’t contribute after the fact of it being invented
Peace to Dres and Chi Ali, they both right! Early HipHop was more about the DJ because a lot of the rapping was considered too much jive talking. Pimp talk and street slang that scared people who weren't from the hood. Record labels didn't want to touch that type of talking so HipHopers turned to party rhymes to promote it around the world. This is why I agree more with Chi Ali because the DJs at the Jams were mixing all kinds of different music but you had to be there. to know that it was more than just James Brown beats. What people would hear in Alabama and California is what the record labels promoted to them but you had to be at a Jam in order to have experienced the multi cultureness of the beginning of HipHop.
No sir, Black Americans are in our homeland practicing our own culture which is documented. Caribbeans/Latinos are immigrants who had to "assimilate" to fit in...Gatekeeping is Not divisive & every group around the world does it.
@@melanatedwarrior3530 Ruby Dee started in late 1976. Charlie Chase started in 1977. They are not pioneers. They both heard & saw what was going on. They both became members of a crew & participated in what was already happening.
Dres bout to be one of my FAVORITE RAPPERS right now!!!!!! Jay Z has been one of my favorite rappers fo'evvvvvvvvvvuhhhhh, but like most other rappers he has been silent on this. First of all, SOMEBODY SHOULD HAVE CHECKED FAT PIG, I mean Fat Joe from the gate. Pete Rock, KRS One, and Busta Rhymes all should know better, so somebody should have checked them on this topic!!!!! Lord Jamar is a G for standing up! He is straight up GOD for how he represents for US! African Americans have been through toi much abd now hear come these displaced visitors tryna claim our swag, our gift to the world??? That's crazy. Peace Love and much respect to Brotha Dres for being HONEST AND REAL PERIOD. MY love and respect for this Brotha has gone through the roof! KRS one is in a pissy mop water filled bucket with Eminem! And anybody who ever spoke against Lord Jamar on the topic is eternally on my shit list. It doesn't make sense how people BLACK PEOPLE AT THAT, are still too afraid to stand up for one another! Much Love to Dres❤ and any Puerto Rican, Jamaican, or other individual who had the decency to stand on TRUTH, exaggerated lies for clout!
Again in the ghetto of the Bronx last I checkes its in america so it all fell under BLACK AMERICAN 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 REGARDLESS !!! yes JAMES BROWNS MUSIC IS FROM THE SOUTH ITS MIGRATION TO THESE NORTHERN CITYS MAKES.IT THE URBAN SOUNDTRACK eg "DISCO & HIPHOP"
My name is Ruby Dee I'm a Puerto Rican you might think I'm black by the way that I'm speaking I'm slick fly with a lot of curls that's the reason I attract all the sweet fly girls 😤🤨😎
Nobody trying to take our credit for R&B music? That’s hiphops sister but because it’s not the biggest genre of music it’s safe to say we can have it. The vultures don’t want it.
Gentlemen, I am 50 years old and have been a keen follower of both the Hip Hop AND Dancehall scene from the late 80’s to the late 90’s. -And having been to Hip Hop and Dancehall clubs and Hip Hop and Dancehall festivals all over the world in this period (New York, Miami, London, Berlin, Paris, Amsterdam, Bern, Rome, Prag, Copenhagen, Stockholm, Kingston, Toronto, Tokyo, Yokohama + more) I’ve tried to sum up my experience as objectively as possible below. Please correct me, if you find any of my observations to be wrong 😊 Jamaican influence on Hip Hop: Ever since the late 1970’s Hip Hop & Dancehall has had a cousin-like relationship influencing each other back and forth. I do not however claim that Jamaicans created Hip Hop culture. It was predominantly created and molded by black Americans with no ties to the Caribbean community! But one can on the other hand not deny the importance of Dancehall culture and the Caribbean community in relation to the Hip Hop culture either. The sheer volume of collaborations between Hip Hop and Dancehall artist from way back in the early years in the 1980’s and up until now speaks for itself. The heavy representation of Jamaicans, Jamaican culture, sound systems, and Dancehall artists in New York (especially in Brooklyn) in the 1980’s was also quite an influence. It was not unusual to see big sound system shows in New York with Jamaican and local (American) sound systems plus many live performances by Jamaican top artists such as Papa San, Lt. Stichie, Shabba Ranks, Admiral Bailey, Super Cat, Ninjaman etc. in this period. On top of this you also had the local (American) Dancehall artists such as Shaggy, Shinehead, Red Fox, Screechy Dan, Rayvon, Mad Lion etc. starting to blow up in this period. All this combined made quite an impact on many New York rappers and Hip Hop acts, which is evident in the many releases listed below - which either features a Jamaican artist or has a heavy evident Dancehall influence. Also the introduction of “double-time-rapping/speed-rapping” came from Jamaican artists such as Junior Reid, Papa San, Lt. Stichie, Clement Irie and more, and was picked up by Hip Hop acts like Young MC, The Originators (Jaz-O), Heavy D, Chubb Rock, Poor Righteous Teachers, Busta Rhymes, and Tounge Twista etc. Early Dancehall influenced Hip Hop records: Run DMC & Yellowman - Roots Rap Reggae 1985 Fat Boys - Hardcore Reggae 1985 JVC Force - Puppy Love 1988 Asher D & Daddy Freddy - Raggamuffin Hip Hop 1988 Heavy D & The Boys - We Got Our Own Thing 1988 D.O.C - It’s Funky Enough 1988 Chubb Rock ft. Hitman Howie Tee - DJ Innovator Easy E & MC Ren - Nobody Move 1988 The 7A3 - Drums Of Steel 1988 Queen Latifah - Wrath Of My Madness 1989 Special Ed - I’m The Magnificent 1989 Queen Latifah ft. Daddy O - The Pros 1989 Special Ed - Heds And Dreds 1989 Chubb Rock - Just The Two Of Us 1990 Brand Nubian - Wake Up (Reprise In The Sunshine) 1990 D-Nice - Under Some Buddha 1990 Brand Nubian - Who Can Get Busy Like This 1990 Above The Law - Another Execution 1990 JVC Force - Matik A Matik 1990 D-Nice & KRS One - Rhymin’ Skill 1991 Dream Warriors - Ludi 1991 Cutty Ranks - The Stopper 1991 KRS One & Shabba Ranks - The Jam 1991 N.W.A. - Always Into Something 1991 Busta Rhymes & Buju Banton - Wicked Act 1992 Louie Culture & Red Hot Lover Tone - Typewriter 1992 Chubb Rock - I’m Too Much 1992 Super Cat ft. Mary J Blige & Biggie Smalls - Dolly My Baby 1992 Shabba Ranks ft. Queen Latifah - What ‘Cha gonna do 1992 Super Cat - Ghetto Red Hot (Hip Hop remix) 1992 Jamalski - Jump Spread Out 1993 Snow - Lonely Monday (produced by MC Shan) 1993 Red Fox - Murderer 1993 Leaders Of The New School - What’s Next 1993 Snow - Informer (produced by MC Shan) 1993 Ini Kamoze - Here Come The Hotstepper (produced by Salaam Remi) 1994 Biggie Smalls ft. Diana King - Respect 1944 Shaggy ft. Grand Puba - Why You Treat Me So Bad 1995 Bounty Killer ft. Fugees - Hip Hopera 1996 All the collaborations Heavy D did with Super Cat (and Frankie Paul) in the 80’s and 90’s. Early Hip Hop Albums with Dancehall influence: All the 80’s and 90’s BDP albums. All the 80’s and 90’s Just Ice albums. All the 80’s and 90’s Shinehead albums. All the 90’s Poor Righteous Teachers albums. All the 90’s Fugees albums. Not to mention the important Nas & Damian Marley album - Distant Relatives 2010. Early founding Hip Hop artists with Caribbean roots: DJ Kool Herc (Jamaica) Slick Rick (Jamaica) Doug E Fresh (Barbados) Prince Markie Dee (Puerto Rico) Pepa - Salt N Pepa (Jamaica) Heavy D (Jamaica) Busta Rhymes (Jamaica) Pete Rock (Jamaica) Special Ed (Jamaica) Gran Puba (Jamaica) Bushwick Bill - Geto Boys (Jamaica) Lauren Hill - Fugees (Haiti) Pras - Fugees (Haiti) Wyclef Sean - Fugees (Haiti) Biggie Smalls (Jamaica) Canibus (Jamaica) In the early 90’s it was almost impossible to go to a Hip Hop club without the DJ also throwing Dancehall classics like Chaka Demus & Pliers’ “Murder She Wrote”, Jr. Reids “One Blood”, Tenor Saw’s “Ring The Alarm”, Barrington Levy’s “Here I Come”, Dawn Penn’s “No No No”, Mad Cobra’s “Flex” and many more Dancehall records into the mix. Everybody who was present on the scene during this period knows I’m right! On top of all of the above, I also have the following facts to take into consideration if anybody still doubts my argument: DJ Kool Herc “The Godfather Of Hip Hop” is Jamaican. The culture of having 2 turntables and a mic so that you can rap or sing over the instrumental part of the song originates from Jamaica, and they did this already way back in the 1950’s when no such culture existed anywhere else in the world yet. (Having two turntables was a normal thing in most radio stations around the world at this time - so the two turntable system is not invented by Jamaicans per say - but the use of two turntables and a microphone for rapping/toasting combined with a big transportable sound system so you can throw big outdoor parties is a Jamaican invention, and became a big thing on the Island in the 1950’s, where most of the popular bands where touring abroad and the sound systems filled out that gap). Kool Herc took his Jamaican Father’s old Jamaican sound system up on the streets of New York and did his thing, and started a revolution within music later known as Hip Hop - which many cats started copying (and also evolving) like i.e Grandmaster Flash and DJ Red Alert. Rapping and “disco-DJ’ing” was already a thing in America (and especially in New York) before Kool Herc - agreed! But it wasn’t until Kool Herc took things to the streets and implemented the “Jamaican-sound-system-way-of-doing-things” on top that it really turned into the culture that we recognize as Hip Hop today. He did this however predominantly with American funk, soul, and R&B records and “American-speaking” MC’s. When DJ’s and their crews like Grandmaster Caz, DJ Disco Wiz, and Afrika Bambaata battled each other with their sound systems, it was in direct line with the way Jamaican sound systems had clashed each other for years back on the Island - except this was happening in America now for the first time. All of this is not to take away from all the important aspects of American black culture that has contributed to “the making of the Hip Hop culture”: Hip Hop wouldn’t exist without for example The Jubelaries, James Brown, Gill Scott-Heron, Fat Back Band (Tim Washington), Hustlers Convention, and later Disco King Mario, Grandmaster Caz, DJ Disco Wiz, Grandmaster Flash, DJ Red Alert, Africa Bambaata - and many many more who have no connection to Jamaica or Dancehall culture whatsoever - agreed again! But to NOT recognize the influence dancehall culture has had on Hip Hop (and also the influence Hip Hop culture has had on Dancehall - which is another chapter by itself) would be a fatal mistake! Most Hip Hop heads my age will have no problem recognizing names like Elephant Man, Mr. Vegas, Beenie Man, Vybz Kartel, Mavado etc. as big names from the “cousin-genre” - just like most Dancehall heads will have no problem recognizing names like Biggie, Dr. Dre, Snoop & Jay-Z as big names from the other “cousin-genre”. I see the two genres as two brothers - one American and one Caribbean - and every now and then they meet up and exchange trends and ideas. Don’t be so segregated! 😉 The two genres have been intertwined from the very beginning, and they still are today with collaborations between artists from both genres - and trends from the one community being copied by the other and vice versa ❤ th-cam.com/video/DX3u05mLaQw/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/xa_SeVNScmI/w-d-xo.html'
Please educate me on something you said above the law- another execution and The DOC - ain't it funky enough were influenced by dance hall? Can you explain that? Cause the samples in above the kaw was a mix of Issac haze and it was this black woman, can't remember her name. DOC it's funky enough, was a sample from the Sylvers.
Slick rick, Doug E Fresh, Prince Markie dee, Pepa, Heavy D, Grand Puba, and Special Ed came along in the 80s, and Bushwick Bill, Pras, Wyclef, Biggie, busta rhymes, and canibus came along in the 90s. So, how are they early Hip Hop artists🤣. Oh, and btw, Lauryn Hill is a Black American.
The culture created hiphop no one was acting like the other race let's keep it 1000 words where created and used everyone had their own way of being understood One thing for sure u can't say everyone doing hiphop music is acting a certain race Like what they say the culture created hip hop no one said it better then KRS1
From what I've read and been told, the original human beings were black, so the origins of nearly EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING on this planet, BLACK. Hip hop too....If you support the art, that's GREAT, but let go of the ego, family!??? Quit hating on the family tree from which we all came and accept the truth.That hate itself has always been the real problem preventing worldwide unity and understanding.
They created it with us! If we really talkin bout who's black peep this. They more blacker than most of us. 100% Africans were put on that Island to work by Spainiards(White people). Africans mixed with the Native Taino and the Spaniards some didn't some alot but they only kept breeding with THAT breed and it created a Puerto Rican.Them dark puerto Ricans have more direct African blood than most of us African Americans due to slavery raping and recent race mixing. STILL in PR they are still the same race. They are our brothers period and that's why nobody think twice when you hear a PR say the N word cuz they us
I wasn't there from the beginning and got involved around 1978. From my knowledge, research and learning from older dudes who was there since the early 70s, hip hop music itself was based on black American soul, R&B and Funk. Later on, jazz, reggae/dancehall, Latin music and even pop music was sampled or the beats were used in the music. The pioneers - Herc who is Jamaican gets credited as throwing the first hip hop party. But, was he the first dj. What about the other cultural aspects of hip hop? Was there graffiti, a style of clothing and lingo before the music? If we are sticking to the music, there is no question that the music is American black based. There is no question that American blacks, Caribbean blacks and Latinos were there from the beginning and all contributed heavily. It was the music and culture of inner city New York youth. When I'd go to an my friends apartment all of us from different race/ethnic group experienced the same thing - parents whether Latino, Caribbean black, or African American would say the same thing - turn off or turn down that noise. Only the people who were around at the beginning without agendas can say who the early hip hop creators were. At the end of the day, from my perspective, as Dres said, whatever background you came from, the sound, the lingo the style was all American black. None of the heavyweights from Herc, Flash, Bambatta, Charlie Chase, Whipper Whip, to Kid from Kid n Play, Heavy D, Biggie, Bushwick Bill gave off any Caribbean or Latino influence or vibe. Because of that, even if Herc is credited as the originator, it is an American black form of music. I'm disappointed that this is even a topic and one that is causing a lot of strife in the hip hop community.
You didn't make the meal but you added some oregano not the same this music came out of black frustration period just keep it real just like The blues,RocknRoll, Country we had to do something life was hard for us nobody has it hard as black people anyone else got a blend in game we don't 🤨
It's Black Americans creation , Puerto Ricans wasn't even rocking with us like that when it first started it wasn't until rap start getting more popular in the area to where they started messing with us , but they stilled called it n###a music or jungle music
Period.Hip Hop was black American culture and people from other cultures who were living with black American culture were feeding of black American culture.Wether you from France China.You can not feed of other people culture and claim something else from it
Dres is correct. This is Black American Culture, Period. That’s the origin. Everything else was incorporated later. I do believe the extra seasoning is valid and a part of it.
You don’t get what he is saying. It was American Blacks, whether your origins were “FBA”, Jamaican, Puerto Rican, it was Black kids from America. The problem is FBA wants to say that if you were born in America, but to Jamaican parents or Puerto Rican parents than you’re not Black, which is f**kin’ stupid and shows Stockholm syndrome and adoption of the white man’s arrogance.
@@BE-bk1tbHuh🤣...... What do Jamaicans and Puerto Ricans have to do with Black Americans?? I don't get the correlation 🤭
@@customercare8195 what extra seasoning? Where is the Jamaican and Latino seasoning in hip Hop I don't hear it and never have. Sure there have been hits that have had outside influences in them but it has never moved the needle or changed the direction of hip Hop in any way. There have been attempts but it has never worked. The best they can do is create a sub genre.
Only little bit of influence , was the break beat. How ,most of them had Congos, bongos. But that from the Cubans tho. You don't see them trying claim anything 😂 And Pop culture, but like we do cover songs Whitney Houston is the perfect example. Once we flip it , it no longer belongs to that person. @@napalmspears3016
@@melanatedwarrior3530 Brother you need a life, I seen you everywhere commenting about the same subject. You don't get tired of saying the same stuff SMH 😅🤣🤣🤣
Ali said it best “y’all older, I’m younger. I wasn’t outside” great pass Chi Ali. Wish others would say the same 💯
Dres kinda summed it up in a nutshell and he’s half Puerto Rican
Yes most definitely ‼️
Explains why he was speaking how he was speaking......I wonder how many other dark skinned Puerto Ricans and Dominicans were at those first parties during the inception. It was black American created but I would not be surprised if their were other ethnicities who were present. We can only off the word of the OGs, imagine if social media existed back then.
@@jman1562001 I was there in the early 70's in the Bronx, westside and some Puerto Ricans and Dominicans were there listening and watching the Black Americans do there thing!!!! They didn't create any part of Hip Hop but some was there watching and learning the culture.... Back then Dominicans looked Black like us but different culture and a lot of that voodoo stuff in there houses, and plus we was all young kids, so we didn't care who was there, we was just having fun!!!! but some young kids would try to rob you are would be plotting to rob you... Lol 😜I ain't saying nothing🤑
I knew he was something 😮. everyone used to say both of them was brothers. Anyway,A wolf in sheep's clothing is my sh!+! a straight up Masterpiece. Dres, yall were smart to remix the choice is yours. funky road runner remix is another classic. peace.😊
I always used the argument that Jamaicans were ‘Toasting’ before Hiphop started and because of the Jamaican/American culture connection, that it had influenced Hiphop culture. But now Im coming to the understanding that then Jamaican that brought toasting to Jamaica heard it from African American DJs so it still came full circle. Hiphop is African American culture.
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The discussion is about who created hiphop, not about who was there
That's the same thing. If you were there when it was created, then you were part of creating it.
But at the same time, what Dres said is right. Everybody who was there falls under the umbrella of New York black in style, lingo, etc. So the conversation is just splitting hairs.
@@ChiefRxcka I should have been more clear. In the interview they talk about who was there in the early stages of hiphop. To me that has nothing to do with creating it. They just showed up early for something that was already there.
@@ChiefRxcka Like I said there's a big difference between the people that created hiphop and the ones who contributed to it when it was already created. Not the same thing.
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This debate never existed 30+ years ago. Now that Hip Hop is a billion dollar worldwide industry, everyone wants to claim it for themselves.
Y’all trippin. Black American culture is consistently getting undermined and colonized. We started hip hop, black Americans, not Caribbeans or Latinos.
It begins with the father of hip hop, vanilla ice
This is WRONG. Hip Hop was started by Caribbean Influence. I was there. Grew up in the Bronx across from Cedar Park
@@mps214dats YO POP!😭
@@DwightWillacyit aint a BLOODCLOT word of carribean in FOUNDATIONAL Hiphop
@@murderwitahashtag840 The concept a person toasting over the mic while the music played was done in Kingston jamaica. that started the trend of Startski and others saying things to the crowd "Throw ya hands in the air" ...which is the seeds of rapping came from.
The umbrella is the black household and everybody didn't grow up in the same household. Especially if you didn't grow up in a black American household ,my household, my parents aren't the same as your parents their not doing the same thing as your parents are doing even if they live in the same or similar demographics.
Right. The thing is Black Americans are probably the most inclusive group on the planet. Sometimes that can be to our detriment. I'm from the south and both parents are. Hip-Hop is a Black American genre of music. It's an amalgamation of our parents, grandparents, and even great grandparents music. One thing about us is we don't attempt to lay claim to people's culture. There's nothing Puerto Rican or Jamaican about Hip-Hop. These groups have to assimilate into BLACK AMERICAN CULTURE to even participate in Hip-Hop.
They don't even know what a baby Boomer is. A baby Boomer is somebody that's born between the years of 1946 and 64 after World War 2 when there was a upmark in birth rate. For real, you disregard the facts that people put. And then I gotta check your twice one again This is the official definition of a baby boomer "Baby Boomers were born from approximately 1946 to 1964. A tidal wave of births created the appropriately named Baby Boomer generation, as they literally represent a boom in the birth rate" I said ask your parents because they're baby. Boom was more than likely like mines are Glasser. Uncle glass to baby Boomer about hip-hop. See what they tell you cause. My mom just told me she thought it came from Scatting She started name and off people that scated ,she even named the last poets? That's coming from a 1950 baby boomer. Mind you she said who said this, with emphysis she said people ben rapping
Respect to them both. 46 year old white guy. Started listening to hip hop late 80s. 91-92 was probably my favorite years of hip hop-I was 13. Black Sheep and Chi Ali were some of my fav back then “. Chi had dope joints-Funky Lemonade remix
They’re speaking from an 80’s perspective. In the 70’s blacks and Puerto Ricans were largely separated and divided. And Puerto Ricans were a minority. Whites were 67%, blacks 22% and Ricans 12% then. The Latino population starts to explode late 70’s and early 80’s and Puerto Rican population decreases some. More Dominicans migrate to Bronx then. They were not all there. Black Spades created Hip Hop in Bronxdale and a few Puerto Ricans were in the mix. No Puerto Ricans created any element but they contributed to its further development. It’s really that simple.
"South Bronx: A jungle Stalked by Fear, Seized by Rage" - New York Times 1/15/1973
"Over the last 10 years, middle‐class whites have fled the South Bronx, which is now home to a young, shifting population that is 65 per cent Puerto Ricans and other Hispanics and the remainder blacks..."
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@@divineharris6463 you're misinformed about the Black Spades. The Black Spades were created in 1968. You mean the Zulu Nation was created in the mid 70's. 1976 to be exact. The Zulu Nation came out of the Black Spades 10th Division. Black Spades 1st Division was Bronxdale.
@@divineharris6463 if you were there why are you lying? you're not even correct about the Black Spades liar. They were not together like that either. There were a few Puerto Ricans that hung out with Blacks. you trying to act like it was all love. They was gang warring against each other.
@@divineharris6463 FIRST OF ALL HERC AND ONE OF THE ORIGINAL BLACK SPADES FAT MIKE SAID HOW THEY USE TO GO DIFFERENT JAMS.. MATTER THE HEAD OF IT SAID HOW THEY USE GO TO DIFFERENT JAMS MONK. LIKE THE PLAZA TUNNEL OFF THE GRAND CONCOURSE AND THE PUZZLE NEAR RIVER AVE. A LIL LATER THE A HEVALO... FAT MIKE EVEN GOT A VIDEO SHOWING WHERE THE TUNNEL USE TO BE. THEY ALSO USE TO PARTY NEAR WESTCHESTER OVER BY 163RD. 3RD AND 170.. KOOL HERC USE TO BE AT. THIS ALL '71-73 BEFORE THAT FLYER. AND THE OTHER DUDE IS RIGHT. IT WAS STILL PRETTY SEGREGATED.
Puerto Ricans and Jamaicans were there but they were following the lead of Black Americans in NYC. At the end of the day we are all Israel.
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Black Americans created hip hop. Let's stop the nonsense.
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@MosesIsrael-e6r Tethers say the darndest things, this Hip Hip debate got y'all shook😂😂😂
@MosesIsrael-e6rYou sound like a Agent! 😮
@MosesIsrael-e6r= This guy here big time loser.
What music was being played in Jamaica , PR , and the Caribbean Islands in the 50's , 60's and 70's.? How can someone help created a sound that's not even in them. Blacks in the U.S. grew up on Soul , Blues , Funk , RnB, and Gospel.
Calypso, Rhumba, Son Mambo, Salsa.. but anybody that Latino & Carribean who has influence off jazz, is the Cubans. They not trying claim nothing tho. 😂 And I was talking about the ones that pass for " black "
Dres made three of the most enlightened comments I've heard in this debate on either side:
1. First, he make the very important distinction between American Blacks and New York Blacks: this distinction is just as important as that between JA, PR, and American Blacks; because Chicago, Detroit, and Down South had even less to do with the birth of Hip Hop than JA and PR.
2. He acknowledges that other cultures were there; however, instead of debating whether they were "participating" or "creating" (which would be an endless argument), he score a telling point: EVERYONE fell under the umbrella of American (or, really, New York) Black culture.
3. He rightly says that it's stupid to argue when we were all right next to each other on the same slave ship--and that goes for Jamaicans, Puerto Ricans, Cubans, or whoever.
@CIWise Yeah!! You tell'em... I noticed in the beginning of Hip Hop. They were sampling Reggie , Salsa and Merengue.
@@CIWise bingo
@@CIWise your comment needs to be highlighted
@@PrinceSonCheeba Nah, G. Look at the other comments: they getting 20-30 likes and responses; I got three. People prefer you to rehash slogans and emotional FBA tropes; no one wants honest, intelligent assessments. Look, some even bash Dres. Thank you, though, son! I appreciate being appreciated.
@@CIWisethe majority of the population are ignorant. And Black men today are soft. They get emotionally worked up by scammers like Tariq. And most aren’t even from NY or into Hip Hop. I just accept that today that’s the way of the world but regardless I always will stand on truth.
There was never any question or doubt before that Hip Hop was a “Black” thing and Kool Herc threw the most popular party but even he admitted that it was happening before the big well known party that got to be known as the starting point.
Puerto Ricans were there from the start as well BUT just because you were there doesn’t mean you were an original contributor. Not all the black people who attended were creators either, you had to have DONE SOMETHING SPECIFIC to be considered a co-creator, not just talking about “We were there!”
A lot of Puerto Ricans embraced Freestyle music more than rap and dubbed it ‘Latin Hip Hop’ as to differentiate themselves from “Black” rap music early on. The Scene in DoTheRightThing when Radio Raheem had the sound battle with the group of Puerto Ricans was kinda accurate, co creators wouldn’t have had a problem with Fight the Power blasting from a radio. 😏
And I’m both Black and Puerto Rican.
Speak truth to power
Lord Jamar is fighting for the truth end of story!!!!
Hiphop is black culture. The golden era of hiphop sampled all of the oldies and created new music from a foundation that was already made by groups like Parliament and the Isleys. Listen to every classic album that came out in the golden era and see how we took from our previous generation of black music to make something new conceptually.
Its not only Black. It’s latino, it’s Caribbean and White. Graffiti had many White kids painting. Many Breakdancers were Latinos. Musically HipHop has been influenced by ALL MUSIC not only Black music. So your comment is way off my brother. Study the culture and learn because you have it twisted.
@@sibagiba nah I got it right… you talking about reggaetone lol not hip hop… and I do know it was Hispanics that where down with it early on but they weren’t inserting hispanic culture into it they where getting down with what we where doing… just like fat Joe did
@@repentyasharahla7632 my dude, DJs played all types of records and not just Soul music so you’re wrong on that. Bambaataa one of the first DJs had the most Obscure records and they weren’t all Black music and that’s 💯 #facts. Culturally speaking its multi cultured and not Strictly black like you say. Sorry my dude, you got it twisted. Kool Herc is Jamaican and Not african American. So Again you wrong. A large portion of samples are from Black music, Yes indeed but the Culture is NOT strictly black like you seem to think.
@@repentyasharahla7632 and im not talking about Reggaeton, thats recent. I’m talking 1970s dude. Reggaeton did not exist!!! Get your history right
@@sibagiba yes it is.. i said reggeatone being sarcastic lol.. if you not talking about no Jamaicans off the boat or plain from Jamaica I don’t wanna hear it…. Biggie Moms is from the Islands … shoot I’m Haitian! But when we talking black americans we talking about all of us that grew up in Babylon my guy … New York is a melting pot we know this but Spanish culture didn’t have any influence on hip hop and you no this cut it out…. It’s the other way around it’s Jenny from the block… it’s Daddy Yankee and Reggea tone that got influenced… the same way I’m Haitian and I’m not trying to inert Haitian culture into hiphop even though I know plenty of Haitian people that live it
Crazy Legs said that the other Puerto Ricans used to call it "the moreno style".
Love how there's nothing but icons of hip hop that you guys produce. Good job💯💪🏽
I hear you and yiu are right and exact , but Dres is half Puerto Rican Black American . He was trying to be diplomatic, but he stood on bidness 😂
Thank you Dres. Chi Ali was pandering and I have no idea why.
He is younger. If you don't know you don't know. But, he sat and learned as Dres laid the foundation. Respect to them both.
@@blackdrumentNah, ...he was definitely pandering. He's a grown brother in Hip Hop. He should know this. He ain't young.
@@bossnuttabsolutely correct
Yeah, he got quiet and just listened afterward though. 😂
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I Love how dres summed it up... And personally for me I'm done with this conversation ✌🏽 to all God Bless
Dres 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 thanks for speaking on it
Ok so someone should of except his challenge an NOBODY stepped up to his challenge
So good to see these brothers.
LADY B.. FIRST BLACK AMERICAN FEMALE TO RECORD A RAP SONG....PHILLY.
Chi Ali looking a bit salty 😅
Yes.
Why does he look salty to you? Or why do you think he might be?
He did 12 years in Sing Sing. That’s where that look comes from. Probably seen all the evil men do and then some
I don't think chi really gives a shit. And neither should anyone else. This is Hip-hop theater. The music I love has Turned into the WWE! Straight Nonsense Have a blessed day everyone 🙏
THE LEGION...FABULOUS CHI....AND THE BLACK SHEEP....D.I.T.C. FOR FUCKIN GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Im not from NY so dont really care. All I know is that being a West Coast hiphop head the music/culture I love came from NY. thats it. the reality is all modern music originated from black people. I hope this debate dies off soon
Thank you Dres...
No fat joe divided it, he said it was created 50/50 lol
Joe wasn't even there lol....he was talking about pictures he seen. But truth be told their probably was other ethnicities at the first parties they just ain't announce it lol. Unless OGs who were there speak on this is all hearsay.
Ain't chi ali Caribbean? And ain't dres half Cuban?
Well at least Dres said the truth
@@ray1411 Dres is half Puerto Rican and Chi Ali is Black American
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Nah, Chi Ali is most likely Caribbean. And he's from COOP CITY. That's Caribbean central. I know this, personally.
So to your knowledge, is Dres half black American?
Aint you a Panamanian 😂😂😂
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I'm black American, too. Why discount one half to make a useless point?
@@ray1411 Stop you ain't a Black American. Rey S you a lieing Panamanian .
Jamar is dividing it for real
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NYC BLACK AMERICANS
Dres summed it up well. I am sick of this argument though, not only is it under the umbrella of Black American Culture, but it was literally created in Black American neighborhoods, using Black American slang, sampling Black American Jazz, Blues, R & B. I get the argument of wanting to not be erased, but at the same time, it's kinda splitting hairs. I think that's why Chi looked bored.
I don't always agree with what Dres says, but I'm glad he kept it real on this one.
The spark that started the fire 🔥
Kool Herc 🎶 born in Jamaica 🇯🇲 came to USA at 12 🤨
The breakdancers & graffiti artist were definitely a mix of peoples while the culture now known as Hip Hop was developing. Developing!
Early non black contributors Rick Rubin, Blondie,Beastie Boys etc.
Definitely origins is pure Black American Culture just like other genres, fashion, etc.
But definitely influences from many make it what is.
Its nice to see how Dre’ss really feels about PR and Jamaicans but he got married i believe in PR not sure if he’s half but wow i see dudes true colors fr shout out to chi Ali who didn’t entertain the non sense🇵🇷🇵🇷🇵🇷🇵🇷🇵🇷💯
Let's be 4 real if Black people decide 2 stop producing Hip Hop it would no longer exist at all....
The truth is only controversial to those that lie about it!!!!!
When you allow someone to borrow something and they hold it long enough they will begin to think it belongs to them.
Okay for everyone who is clueless the breakbeat that is the staple of hip hop music was made by a Jamaican who used two turn tables which is a stable of the Jamaican dancehall sound system to create the breakbeat… he is regarded by legends in hip hop as the Godfather of hip hop as without it the music doesn’t exist… we’re not talking about rapping
Dres nailed it 100%
I really like Dres’ take on this. It sounds more on point than I guess how Lord Jamar words it or his take.
The realest thing they both said is they wasn’t there. end of discussion. 🎤
Dres hit it right on the mark.💯
TRUTHZ 💯 🔥 ☑️ 🫡🫡🫡🫡🫡
He Said that it was all under the banner of AMERICAN BLACKS. That's because it is AMERICAN BLACK CULTURE.
I appreciate Dres said black NYers created hip hop. People are pretty much the same everywhere with social media, but there used to be a big difference between NYers and people from other states.
NYers are different because of the mixing of different cultures. NY melting pot differs from other states.
It’s not that. DJ kool herc who is one of the founding fathers is a Jamaican who migrated to the Bronx & help to create hip hop
@@loveismyreligion6620How could herc be a founding father in a culture that he assimilated and had to fit into?? Make it make sense 🤭
@@loveismyreligion6620 Did DJ Kool Herc Rep Jamaica on the tracks? Did he bring the sound of the Island of Jamaica to the Bronx? Maybe he was listening to a lot of Curtis Mayfield , James Brown , and Motown. Just like every other Black American.
So by your logic, African Americans should have to forfeit all their inventions to white people because white culture is the dominant culture in New York and they have to change their accent when they get there from the Southern accent and Is that what you're saying Or is there a double standard?.@@melanatedwarrior3530
We all know which Puerto Ricans were there it was the Afro-Puerto Ricans not the Indian-Spaniards if any Puerto Ricans it is the Afro-Puerto Rican...They were the ones who were first around the American Community of people..
There was no Spanish in Jamaican, if I hang with Mexicans that doesn't make me a Mexican
I hear you Dres
Hip hop was going before ‘73 more ‘68-‘71 but it wasn’t called hip hop it was the jams or Get down and nothing about hip hop has the spirit of the Caribbean islanders. No slang,no dress code,no cadence from the Latinos at all.
What's crazy the term Hip Hop, was originally Hippity Hop. It was a diss from the older folks. Because of the circus like shows from 1920s by Americans of color. 😂
Shout out to Dres, Hip Hop was created by New York blacks!!
I'm standing with Lord Jamar💯
Dress always spitting real....
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The fascinating thing of the my fellow god body Jamar is that his parents are Afri-Caribbean. Father Allah would've never endorsed division!
Peace... Original People came TOGETHER and created this culture.. This is confusion.. We have to ask ourselves "Who keeps starting these arguments?"
WELL SAID DRES!!! HIP HOP IS A BLACK MUSIC FROM NYC TO VOICE OUR 🌎 70'S/80'S. LATINO PARTICIPATED B BOYING/WHITE KIDS GRAFFITI. BUT BLACK FROM INCEPTION❤
Respectful answer from Mr engine engine #9
Everybody’s confusing inventors with contributors that’s where people are uneducated on words nobody saying, other people didn’t contribute after the fact of it being invented
WELL SAID DRES
How do you say I'm scared as uck to tell the truth without saying I'm scared as uck to tell the truth
And Dres half Spanish
Peace to Dres and Chi Ali, they both right! Early HipHop was more about the DJ because a lot of the rapping was considered too much jive talking. Pimp talk and street slang that scared people who weren't from the hood.
Record labels didn't want to touch that type of talking so HipHopers turned to party rhymes to promote it around the world.
This is why I agree more with Chi Ali because the DJs at the Jams were mixing all kinds of different music but you had to be there. to know that it was more than just James Brown beats.
What people would hear in Alabama and California is what the record labels promoted to them but you had to be at a Jam in order to have experienced the multi cultureness of the beginning of HipHop.
No sir, Black Americans are in our homeland practicing our own culture which is documented. Caribbeans/Latinos are immigrants who had to "assimilate" to fit in...Gatekeeping is Not divisive & every group around the world does it.
MC Ruby Dee & DJ Charlie Chase, two pioneers - Early!!
They all came along in the late 70s, and none of them were involved with Hip Hop in the beginning🤣
Facts.
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@@melanatedwarrior3530 Ruby Dee started in late 1976. Charlie Chase started in 1977. They are not pioneers. They both heard & saw what was going on. They both became members of a crew & participated in what was already happening.
2 Legends
Yep. There’s a difference
Dres I rock wit you 99% on this , but without the slave ship babble…we been here fam. 💁🏾💯
I hear what they saying, except......'A puerto rico! HOOOOO! A puerto rico! HOOOOO!' 🤨
That lyric was originally said in 1982. Way after Hip Hop was already created. Over a decade later.
Dres bout to be one of my FAVORITE RAPPERS right now!!!!!! Jay Z has been one of my favorite rappers fo'evvvvvvvvvvuhhhhh, but like most other rappers he has been silent on this.
First of all, SOMEBODY SHOULD HAVE CHECKED FAT PIG, I mean Fat Joe from the gate. Pete Rock, KRS One, and Busta Rhymes all should know better, so somebody should have checked them on this topic!!!!!
Lord Jamar is a G for standing up! He is straight up GOD for how he represents for US! African Americans have been through toi much abd now hear come these displaced visitors tryna claim our swag, our gift to the world??? That's crazy.
Peace Love and much respect to Brotha Dres for being HONEST AND REAL PERIOD. MY love and respect for this Brotha has gone through the roof! KRS one is in a pissy mop water filled bucket with Eminem! And anybody who ever spoke against Lord Jamar on the topic is eternally on my shit list. It doesn't make sense how people BLACK PEOPLE AT THAT, are still too afraid to stand up for one another!
Much Love to Dres❤ and any Puerto Rican, Jamaican, or other individual who had the decency to stand on TRUTH, exaggerated lies for clout!
Again in the ghetto of the Bronx last I checkes its in america so it all fell under BLACK AMERICAN 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 REGARDLESS !!!
yes JAMES BROWNS MUSIC IS FROM THE SOUTH ITS MIGRATION TO THESE NORTHERN CITYS MAKES.IT THE URBAN SOUNDTRACK eg "DISCO & HIPHOP"
i thought we all knew it was a small piece of the black american experience .
My name is Ruby Dee I'm a Puerto Rican you might think I'm black by the way that I'm speaking I'm slick fly with a lot of curls that's the reason I attract all the sweet fly girls 😤🤨😎
Dres is correct
People keep misconstruing “who created it” and “who PARTICIPATED in it” and its 2 diff things
Nobody trying to take our credit for R&B music? That’s hiphops sister but because it’s not the biggest genre of music it’s safe to say we can have it. The vultures don’t want it.
There are creators and there are contributors. After that there are collaborations. Let’s stop the nonsense.
Dres and Chi look like Brothers.
Gentlemen, I am 50 years old and have been a keen follower of both the Hip Hop AND Dancehall scene from the late 80’s to the late 90’s.
-And having been to Hip Hop and Dancehall clubs and Hip Hop and Dancehall festivals all over the world in this period (New York, Miami, London, Berlin, Paris, Amsterdam, Bern, Rome, Prag, Copenhagen, Stockholm, Kingston, Toronto, Tokyo, Yokohama + more) I’ve tried to sum up my experience as objectively as possible below. Please correct me, if you find any of my observations to be wrong 😊
Jamaican influence on Hip Hop:
Ever since the late 1970’s Hip Hop & Dancehall has had a cousin-like relationship influencing each other back and forth.
I do not however claim that Jamaicans created Hip Hop culture. It was predominantly created and molded by black Americans with no ties to the Caribbean community!
But one can on the other hand not deny the importance of Dancehall culture and the Caribbean community in relation to the Hip Hop culture either. The sheer volume of collaborations between Hip Hop and Dancehall artist from way back in the early years in the 1980’s and up until now speaks for itself.
The heavy representation of Jamaicans, Jamaican culture, sound systems, and Dancehall artists in New York (especially in Brooklyn) in the 1980’s was also quite an influence.
It was not unusual to see big sound system shows in New York with Jamaican and local (American) sound systems plus many live performances by Jamaican top artists such as Papa San, Lt. Stichie, Shabba Ranks, Admiral Bailey, Super Cat, Ninjaman etc. in this period.
On top of this you also had the local (American) Dancehall artists such as Shaggy, Shinehead, Red Fox, Screechy Dan, Rayvon, Mad Lion etc. starting to blow up in this period.
All this combined made quite an impact on many New York rappers and Hip Hop acts, which is evident in the many releases listed below - which either features a Jamaican artist or has a heavy evident Dancehall influence.
Also the introduction of “double-time-rapping/speed-rapping” came from Jamaican artists such as Junior Reid, Papa San, Lt. Stichie, Clement Irie and more, and was picked up by Hip Hop acts like Young MC, The Originators (Jaz-O), Heavy D, Chubb Rock, Poor Righteous Teachers, Busta Rhymes, and Tounge Twista etc.
Early Dancehall influenced Hip Hop records:
Run DMC & Yellowman - Roots Rap Reggae 1985
Fat Boys - Hardcore Reggae 1985
JVC Force - Puppy Love 1988
Asher D & Daddy Freddy - Raggamuffin Hip Hop 1988
Heavy D & The Boys - We Got Our Own Thing 1988
D.O.C - It’s Funky Enough 1988
Chubb Rock ft. Hitman Howie Tee - DJ Innovator
Easy E & MC Ren - Nobody Move 1988
The 7A3 - Drums Of Steel 1988
Queen Latifah - Wrath Of My Madness 1989
Special Ed - I’m The Magnificent 1989
Queen Latifah ft. Daddy O - The Pros 1989
Special Ed - Heds And Dreds 1989
Chubb Rock - Just The Two Of Us 1990
Brand Nubian - Wake Up (Reprise In The Sunshine) 1990
D-Nice - Under Some Buddha 1990
Brand Nubian - Who Can Get Busy Like This 1990
Above The Law - Another Execution 1990
JVC Force - Matik A Matik 1990
D-Nice & KRS One - Rhymin’ Skill 1991
Dream Warriors - Ludi 1991
Cutty Ranks - The Stopper 1991
KRS One & Shabba Ranks - The Jam 1991
N.W.A. - Always Into Something 1991
Busta Rhymes & Buju Banton - Wicked Act 1992
Louie Culture & Red Hot Lover Tone - Typewriter 1992
Chubb Rock - I’m Too Much 1992
Super Cat ft. Mary J Blige & Biggie Smalls - Dolly My Baby 1992
Shabba Ranks ft. Queen Latifah - What ‘Cha gonna do 1992
Super Cat - Ghetto Red Hot (Hip Hop remix) 1992
Jamalski - Jump Spread Out 1993
Snow - Lonely Monday (produced by MC Shan) 1993
Red Fox - Murderer 1993
Leaders Of The New School - What’s Next 1993
Snow - Informer (produced by MC Shan) 1993
Ini Kamoze - Here Come The Hotstepper (produced by Salaam Remi) 1994
Biggie Smalls ft. Diana King - Respect 1944
Shaggy ft. Grand Puba - Why You Treat Me So Bad 1995
Bounty Killer ft. Fugees - Hip Hopera 1996
All the collaborations Heavy D did with Super Cat (and Frankie Paul) in the 80’s and 90’s.
Early Hip Hop Albums with Dancehall influence:
All the 80’s and 90’s BDP albums.
All the 80’s and 90’s Just Ice albums.
All the 80’s and 90’s Shinehead albums.
All the 90’s Poor Righteous Teachers albums.
All the 90’s Fugees albums.
Not to mention the important Nas & Damian Marley album - Distant Relatives 2010.
Early founding Hip Hop artists with Caribbean roots:
DJ Kool Herc (Jamaica)
Slick Rick (Jamaica)
Doug E Fresh (Barbados)
Prince Markie Dee (Puerto Rico)
Pepa - Salt N Pepa (Jamaica)
Heavy D (Jamaica)
Busta Rhymes (Jamaica)
Pete Rock (Jamaica)
Special Ed (Jamaica)
Gran Puba (Jamaica)
Bushwick Bill - Geto Boys (Jamaica)
Lauren Hill - Fugees (Haiti)
Pras - Fugees (Haiti)
Wyclef Sean - Fugees (Haiti)
Biggie Smalls (Jamaica)
Canibus (Jamaica)
In the early 90’s it was almost impossible to go to a Hip Hop club without the DJ also throwing Dancehall classics like Chaka Demus & Pliers’ “Murder She Wrote”, Jr. Reids “One Blood”, Tenor Saw’s “Ring The Alarm”, Barrington Levy’s “Here I Come”, Dawn Penn’s “No No No”, Mad Cobra’s “Flex” and many more Dancehall records into the mix. Everybody who was present on the scene during this period knows I’m right!
On top of all of the above, I also have the following facts to take into consideration if anybody still doubts my argument:
DJ Kool Herc “The Godfather Of Hip Hop” is Jamaican.
The culture of having 2 turntables and a mic so that you can rap or sing over the instrumental part of the song originates from Jamaica, and they did this already way back in the 1950’s when no such culture existed anywhere else in the world yet.
(Having two turntables was a normal thing in most radio stations around the world at this time - so the two turntable system is not invented by Jamaicans per say - but the use of two turntables and a microphone for rapping/toasting combined with a big transportable sound system so you can throw big outdoor parties is a Jamaican invention, and became a big thing on the Island in the 1950’s, where most of the popular bands where touring abroad and the sound systems filled out that gap).
Kool Herc took his Jamaican Father’s old Jamaican sound system up on the streets of New York and did his thing, and started a revolution within music later known as Hip Hop - which many cats started copying (and also evolving) like i.e Grandmaster Flash and DJ Red Alert.
Rapping and “disco-DJ’ing” was already a thing in America (and especially in New York) before Kool Herc - agreed!
But it wasn’t until Kool Herc took things to the streets and implemented the “Jamaican-sound-system-way-of-doing-things” on top that it really turned into the culture that we recognize as Hip Hop today. He did this however
predominantly with American funk, soul, and R&B records and “American-speaking” MC’s.
When DJ’s and their crews like Grandmaster Caz, DJ Disco Wiz, and Afrika Bambaata battled each other with their sound systems, it was in direct line with the way Jamaican sound systems had clashed each other for years back on the Island - except this was happening in America now for the first time.
All of this is not to take away from all the important aspects of American black culture that has contributed to “the making of the Hip Hop culture”: Hip Hop wouldn’t exist without for example The Jubelaries, James Brown, Gill Scott-Heron, Fat Back Band (Tim Washington), Hustlers Convention, and later Disco King Mario, Grandmaster Caz, DJ Disco Wiz, Grandmaster Flash, DJ Red Alert, Africa Bambaata - and many many more who have no connection to Jamaica or Dancehall culture whatsoever - agreed again!
But to NOT recognize the influence dancehall culture has had on Hip Hop (and also the influence Hip Hop culture has had on Dancehall - which is another chapter by itself) would be a fatal mistake!
Most Hip Hop heads my age will have no problem recognizing names like Elephant Man, Mr. Vegas, Beenie Man, Vybz Kartel, Mavado etc. as big names from the “cousin-genre” - just like most Dancehall heads will have no problem recognizing names like Biggie, Dr. Dre, Snoop & Jay-Z as big names from the other “cousin-genre”.
I see the two genres as two brothers - one American and one Caribbean - and every now and then they meet up and exchange trends and ideas. Don’t be so segregated! 😉
The two genres have been intertwined from the very beginning, and they still are today with collaborations between artists from both genres - and trends from the one community being copied by the other and vice versa ❤
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I didn't even bother to read all of that BS because we don't listen to Caribbean music nor care about your culture. There is no connection🤣
Please educate me on something you said above the law- another execution and The DOC - ain't it funky enough were influenced by dance hall? Can you explain that? Cause the samples in above the kaw was a mix of Issac haze and it was this black woman, can't remember her name. DOC it's funky enough, was a sample from the Sylvers.
Bullsh--!! BLACK AMERICANS NEVER NEEDED HELP CREATING ANYTHING
Slick rick, Doug E Fresh, Prince Markie dee, Pepa, Heavy D, Grand Puba, and Special Ed came along in the 80s, and Bushwick Bill, Pras, Wyclef, Biggie, busta rhymes, and canibus came along in the 90s. So, how are they early Hip Hop artists🤣. Oh, and btw, Lauryn Hill is a Black American.
All of that Kool herc nonsense has already been MERCILESSLY DEBUNKED, so it's time to come up with another lie🤣
Being there is not creating, black people are the creators, other races are just guest so stop the cap 😂😂😂😂
The culture created hiphop no one was acting like the other race let's keep it 1000 words where created and used everyone had their own way of being understood
One thing for sure u can't say everyone doing hiphop music is acting a certain race
Like what they say the culture created hip hop no one said it better then KRS1
From what I've read and been told, the original human beings were black, so the origins of nearly EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING on this planet, BLACK. Hip hop too....If you support the art, that's GREAT, but let go of the ego, family!??? Quit hating on the family tree from which we all came and accept the truth.That hate itself has always been the real problem preventing worldwide unity and understanding.
Mfs always tryna claim some shyt that aint theirs, we aint never did that, we just want props for what WE created, thats all.
Damn chi had the 360 waves man wtf happened? 😮
whut happened is, you are a homosexual
Give the American Indians their due respect. From America to the world 🌞
Originators and participators
You gotta put into account the great migration... Nyc had the highest migration of african Americans from north amd South carolina.
They created it with us! If we really talkin bout who's black peep this. They more blacker than most of us. 100% Africans were put on that Island to work by Spainiards(White people). Africans mixed with the Native Taino and the Spaniards some didn't some alot but they only kept breeding with THAT breed and it created a Puerto Rican.Them dark puerto Ricans have more direct African blood than most of us African Americans due to slavery raping and recent race mixing. STILL in PR they are still the same race. They are our brothers period and that's why nobody think twice when you hear a PR say the N word cuz they us
I wasn't there from the beginning and got involved around 1978. From my knowledge, research and learning from older dudes who was there since the early 70s, hip hop music itself was based on black American soul, R&B and Funk. Later on, jazz, reggae/dancehall, Latin music and even pop music was sampled or the beats were used in the music. The pioneers - Herc who is Jamaican gets credited as throwing the first hip hop party. But, was he the first dj. What about the other cultural aspects of hip hop? Was there graffiti, a style of clothing and lingo before the music? If we are sticking to the music, there is no question that the music is American black based. There is no question that American blacks, Caribbean blacks and Latinos were there from the beginning and all contributed heavily. It was the music and culture of inner city New York youth. When I'd go to an my friends apartment all of us from different race/ethnic group experienced the same thing - parents whether Latino, Caribbean black, or African American would say the same thing - turn off or turn down that noise. Only the people who were around at the beginning without agendas can say who the early hip hop creators were. At the end of the day, from my perspective, as Dres said, whatever background you came from, the sound, the lingo the style was all American black. None of the heavyweights from Herc, Flash, Bambatta, Charlie Chase, Whipper Whip, to Kid from Kid n Play, Heavy D, Biggie, Bushwick Bill gave off any Caribbean or Latino influence or vibe. Because of that, even if Herc is credited as the originator, it is an American black form of music. I'm disappointed that this is even a topic and one that is causing a lot of strife in the hip hop community.
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Dres & Chi Ali?? #nice
You didn't make the meal but you added some oregano not the same this music came out of black frustration period just keep it real just like The blues,RocknRoll, Country we had to do something life was hard for us nobody has it hard as black people anyone else got a blend in game we don't 🤨
I think these brothers need you to turn that AC on.
It's Black Americans creation , Puerto Ricans wasn't even rocking with us like that when it first started it wasn't until rap start getting more popular in the area to where they started messing with us , but they stilled called it n###a music or jungle music
Dres is half Puerto Rican by way of his dad.
And he still told the truth
So AGAIN
BLACK AMERICANS STARTED IT!!
Period.Hip Hop was black American culture and people from other cultures who were living with black American culture were feeding of black American culture.Wether you from France China.You can not feed of other people culture and claim something else from it
Chi Ali looks like he’s messing with that P Funk.