Yea i agree the nerf was massive, but as tou said payback is still s tier bell because of the insanely high dps from killing hoardes of mobs which essentially allows you to healthpavk anyway, i soloed it after the upsate and it feels the same, if not a bit more troubling
People have beaten wave 50 solo without needing bell. All you need to do is play more careful and stop running into hordes of mobs without a head. You can effectively kite most mobs, even bounders and broodlords, and avoid damage easily while chipping away at them.
is there only a beam variant now?? i’ve refilled my variant with floor 2 runs and i’m only getting beam versions with my yun shul rerolls? does the instant dmg one still exist?
i'd say they're on more equal footing now on one hand, corrupt payback's DPS is still incredibly good, allows for easy healthpacks and essentially negates the healing cap on the other, corrupt sacred field negates a huge portion of the damage you take, which allows you to comfortably kill mobs easier at this point, it's now more of a playstyle preference than an actual competition.
The nerf was needed. Cp should not heal you from 10% to over half with one use without knocking mobs. Removes a lot of fear doing diluvian and other pve content.
That nerf was definitely needed for payback considering it’s basically a second or even third life with full reset but I do think they should bring other bells with a pve aspect like sacred field or even crazy slots more viable for things like diluvian don’t get me wrong i prefer sacred field over payback because of the defense but I do think that payback is still to broken to the point where it’s the only pve bell that ppl wanna run for diluvian
@@KaiOnDiscordyou could mostly just make a diluvian build with normal payback and keep om going until wave 25 until you get a sinners ash then u can corrupt it
Yea i agree the nerf was massive, but as tou said payback is still s tier bell because of the insanely high dps from killing hoardes of mobs which essentially allows you to healthpavk anyway, i soloed it after the upsate and it feels the same, if not a bit more troubling
People have beaten wave 50 solo without needing bell. All you need to do is play more careful and stop running into hordes of mobs without a head. You can effectively kite most mobs, even bounders and broodlords, and avoid damage easily while chipping away at them.
is there only a beam variant now?? i’ve refilled my variant with floor 2 runs and i’m only getting beam versions with my yun shul rerolls? does the instant dmg one still exist?
corrupt payback should heal 40% atleast instead of just 20%
No you pve slob just get good
Nah
20% is just fine, as long as the damage that it shoots back against mobs isn't nerfed.
Nah the dmg this does makes up
@@cyber8206its not 20% they said its a flat 80hp
corrupted sacred field might be better ngl
i'd say they're on more equal footing now
on one hand, corrupt payback's DPS is still incredibly good, allows for easy healthpacks and essentially negates the healing cap
on the other, corrupt sacred field negates a huge portion of the damage you take, which allows you to comfortably kill mobs easier
at this point, it's now more of a playstyle preference than an actual competition.
The nerf was needed. Cp should not heal you from 10% to over half with one use without knocking mobs. Removes a lot of fear doing diluvian and other pve content.
HAAANK DON'T ABBREVIATE CORRUPTED PAYBACK HAAAANK
cp??
You did it with your friend, basically halving the workload for each player, the problem with the nerf is that now its significantly harder to do solo
yes it may be harder to do solo but it is still able to be solod, i can try solo it again and record it this time
@@valcon100please do
@@Kyo.1alr
i did it solo its still very easy
you just have to run and spam blinding dawn and gale moves
How much dvm and monster armor is recomended for wave 25 solo? (gran suda build)
30 mob 20 monster damage minimum
can u drop ur build? i dont rlly pve so i dont know what builds are good for pve so i was wondering if i could just use yours?
Just type "deepwoken ground zero pve build" any version is good, latest one is obviously better, but just choose which one fits ur playstyle
That nerf was definitely needed for payback considering it’s basically a second or even third life with full reset but I do think they should bring other bells with a pve aspect like sacred field or even crazy slots more viable for things like diluvian don’t get me wrong i prefer sacred field over payback because of the defense but I do think that payback is still to broken to the point where it’s the only pve bell that ppl wanna run for diluvian
do I have to corrupt it to get its high dps or is normal payback fine
probably the only reason why I don’t run diluvian cause I don’t got a sinners
@@KaiOnDiscordyou could mostly just make a diluvian build with normal payback and keep om going until wave 25 until you get a sinners ash then u can corrupt it
corrupted payback heals u, normal doesnt, thats the only difference
Hellmode new meta cuz of buffs and payback nerf?
idk, you can get ganked easily
@@valcon100 Good point still depth servers are like empty when i play late at night buttttt idk
can anyone get me a good pathfinder elite plss