Engineer: let's get point defence. Empire: let's not. Engineer: do you know what that is? Empire: Nope. Engineer: Fine then your bridge is gonna be hella exposed. Empire: wow what a great design.
lancer737 Oh my, i hopped you had given up, hasn't seen you in comments since a while So, in what movie do we see an ISD2 making use of PDC or missiles of any kind?
You know, once again the Acclamator impresses. The huge cargo capacity, the ability to land, the massive cargo ramp. It is the perfect ship for planetary invasions. Pity the empire stopped producing them. Acclamators are awesome.
@@christiandauz3742 yep the imperium of man is scary powerful compared to the empire. Especially when you take into consideration the imperium would look at the empire as heretics and promptly glass every single one of their planets.
So, at least in Legends, the way shields work is a dual system. Ships have both energy shields and particle shields. Energy shields protect against harmful radiation and energy blasts such as from a laser or turbolaser. Particle shields protect against solid objects (solid as in their physical state). Energy shields are pretty much always set to full strength because the majority of weapon systems are energy based. Particle shields on the other hand are usually set to low in order to protect against micro asteroids and small debris. The only way to stop a larger object (such as a proton torpedo or an out of control A-wing) is to turn up the particle shields to full or almost full strength. However, this prevents a ship from being able to fire back at the enemy or launch/retrieve any spacecraft. Ions are charged particles; charged being the key word. The damage they inflict comes not from their impact but from the transfer of energy from particle to particle. Ion weapons essentially overcharge the systems of an enemy ship, causing them to fail and shut down. This makes them great for disabling shields and then possibly the ship.
Nukes cause EMPs , and the effects of Ion cannons is star wars mirrors that of and EMP (electromagnetic pulse). Since an EMP is electromagnetic radiation, if ray shields could stop it, then they would block all light and make it impossible to see out of the ship. The EMP and the immense blast caused by nukes would therefore make them extremely effective against ships in star wars
Why not just use napalm or put oil in the water. That normally works well along with plastic and whaling ship. Just saying and I'm sure one of us here can easily afford that, not sure who though.
The thing is, the Empire could afford to lose a few ISD's after all they had - what - 25,000? The Rebellion didn't have that kind of Firepower. But yeah, they didn't put to much thought into it regarding fleet to fleet action. However that wasn't really their primary task. They were really mobile bases for enforcing Imperial authority on world. If only they hadn't built those bloody Death Star folly's. The Rebels would never had such great victories. Prior to this, Fleet to Fleet actions would be for the Rebels a even greater disaster due to a lack of numbers. As Stalin once said "Quantity has a quality all of its own".
Well the reinforcements would only be a dust pan and brush because they stay back until the other fleet has been destroyed and they are just finishing what the other fleet started
@@flare9757 It make sense, kid. Remember that Rebellion have only few larger battleships and carriers, with vast majority of they forces being frigates. They still were vastly outnumbered by the Empire as ISD's are still proper capital ships. Numbers from legends are downright ridiculous.
AS he said, the mission changed from war to peace keeping. Look at the police and look at the mil. who has the more firepower (raw) and who has the (more refined) firepower)? The venator was a war ship (but still cinematic in nature and had the same faults). But, it had fighters. It was easy to build and did serve as an assault ship. The empire now had an empire to run/protect/peace keep. Yes, the Empire should have kept the Venator and done something to it. But, (as we see with Hitler) dictators rarely see above their own meglamania and rarely allow any one else to challenge their meglomania.
As a single vessel maybe, but the Venator had a bigger compliment of ships including transport ships and assorted fighters which could deploy a lot faster than Ties on an ISD. I personally would prefer a Venator over an ISD any day
It's "Visible" but that bulge is almost all armor, and by sheer heat and electricity emissions there's no way to hide a reactor's general location. MOST of the reactor's dead center of the ship but that's just not quite enough space so having a piece of it that runs close to the surface covered in extra armor is a safer bet.
James Ricker Not shielded. It is on the complete opposite side of the ship from the Shield Projectors. In fact, if in ESB the Ion Cannon hit the belly of an ISD, it probably would have exploded.
There was a ventral shield generator on the star destroyers, the dome under the ship behind the hangar was the primary generator for the ship and the 2 smaller generators near the bridge were back ups also placed to provide reinforced shields to the command sections.
The only thing lacking is defensive capabilities overall. Overall they have better maneuverability, better speed and acceleration, the best targeting computers, best ecm and ECM. Firepower, overall, also goes to the TIES. Individually the A-Wing had the best speed, acceleration, and ECM. The TIE Interceptor had the best maneuverability, super coustomability that allowed it have better engines and shields, and a hyper drive, and projectile launchers, and multiple beam weapons and advanced tactical jammers. TIE Interceptors also had the most advanced targeting computers and possibly ECCM. Because of its capabilities after being nodded the TIE Interceptor is the best tied with the Defender. MOdding might feel cheap but most other fighters, including Wing Fighters, don't appear to be anywhere near as easy to moderate nor are shown be as dramatically molded, possibly because of weight or energy requirements and so on.
@@lancer737 The TIEs that *have* shields are great. But it seems(and Star Wars: Empire at War can confirm this, iirc), the Empire puts more into sheer volume of fighters. They flood the field with glass cannons(typical, *basic* fighters). Reminds me of Matrix Revolutions, the swarming machines. Yeah, you'll have the occasional modified interceptor or few, but it's most often the un-shielded(or weak-shielded by comparison to X-Wings, again, iirc). But, I could be wrong☺.
@@wildside316 That's a game mechanic though. Most engagements in the stories and movies, have TIE Fighters fighting in equal or outnumbered conflicts. In ep 4 it was 9 TIEs vs over 30 wing fighters. In Return of the Jedi the Rebels had around 6 mon cal cruisers, each carries 120 wing fighters. Being unfinished, I doubt the Death Star 2 had anywhere near a full compliment, they had less than 2,400 TIEs at the battle with lots being assigned to protect all the SD which were not fighting till they were forced into point blank range.
Haven't finished watching the video yet, but I already agree with you regarding the bridge and the shield generators. I can actually think of a relatively easy way to destroy an Imperial Class Star Destroyer. Exploit their lack of point-defense and the inferiority of the TIE fighter to the X-Wing and A-Wing. Attack with a fleet of fighter and bombers. Have the fighters engage the TIE fighters, and have the bombers target the reactor bulge on the ventral surface of the ship with heir proton torpedoes and concussion missiles. Edit: Finished watching the video. I enjoyed it, and think you made valid points. I now have some ideas regarding how to improve the Imperial Class Star Destroyer. In no particular order: -Remove the entire tower structure on which the bridge is located. -Relocate the bridge to a more well protected central area within the ship. -Eliminate the ventral reactor bulge, increasing the overall size of the ship if necessary. -Add a number of redundant shield generators in multiple locations. -Add a comprehensive point defense network. -Shield the ship against Ion weapons. -If at all possible, have the same armament on the ventral surface of the ship, as on the dorsal surface. If nothing else, have the point defenses extend to the ventral surface. -And last but not least, improve the godawful TIE fighters! Even after all these potential improvements, I also believe that the Imperial Star Destroyer should be deployed with an escort fleet, for maximum flexibility.
I feel like the Defender, on paper, is more or less on par with similarly armed and shielded ships like X-Wings. However, since the Empire almost exclusively uses flying coffins like the TIEs, the Defender is downright OP by comparison.
2:25 the Tarkin Doctrine was really bad, as loads of excellently designed clone wars republic vehicles eg: ARC 170s or LAAT Gunships, were replaced by less capable vehicles eg: TIE Fighters or Imperial Shuttles. Also why does no capital ship designer never learn to change the position of the bridge as almost each era in both Canon and Legends has an example of a capital ship having its bridge shot out or crashed into, most recent in The Last Jedi which resulted the entire Resistance fleet being commanded (and destroyed) by Vice Admiral Purple Hair Holdo
Republic: We are perfect (Rebellion: true, true) Empire: We are better (Rebellion: ...We blew up a space station the size of a moon and many, many Star Destroyers... With star fighters.)
Remember: "ruling by fear" is better described as "recruiting for the enemy". The Death Star should have been called the "Rebel Alliance Recruitment Beacon".
1: No shields 2: No hyperdrive 3: No life support 4: No warheads 5: Easy to sabotage 6: Poor atmospheric maneuverability 7: Huge target profile from the sides 8: No landing gear 9: ......it's ugly? 10. Referred to as a "flying coffin"
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Nope. It was said, that a Star Destroyer could 'destroy' i.e. devastate a planet on it's own. However, 'Planet Destroyer' sound less epic than 'Star Destroyer' and the naming was part of the Tarkin doctrine of projecting fear. The thought was that having one Star Destroyer in a star system was supposed to be enough to stop any thought of resisting the Empire. Few planets had a military that could hinder a Star Destroyer
When you start to think about why star wars space battles are fought in relatively close ranges and usually within solar systems and not in interstellar space, it starts to make some sense as to why. Space combat at long ranges that span many millions of miles, would be extremely frustrating for gunners, commanders, and radar technicians.
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4 ion protection. Arms and armor are always locked in a race. Ion torpedoes are designed to do this, if they where not effective they they would fall out of use. Also physics works differently in Star Wars.
9:47 I believe the ISD has 3 hangers. The larger opening on the bottom of the ship has a hanger on each side while there is a smaller 3rd hanger further to the front
I love it, it does have so many weakness. However, I think that comes from Sith thinking, as well as the Tarkin Doctrine. Shock and awe, might makes right, etc. Sure 70 fighters isn't much but against two (maximum) squadrons of Alliance fighters not to mention the heavy city devastating turbo lasers, the demoralizing power of the ISD alone makes up for its flaws in a way.
Generation Tech please make a theory video about what if Obi-wan Kenobi left the jedi order to be with Duchess Satine after his padawan mission to protect her.
Also in WW1 battleships were also usually escorted by destroyers in a fleet. However that didn't mean they didn't have large secondary armament themselves. In WW2 the secondary armament of battleships became arguably more important than their primary.
Fighter deployment is handled MUCH better in franchises like Battlestar Galactica and Babylon 5 which had the fighted shot out of the sides of the craft in individual launch tubes or bays, dozens could be launched at a time and in some cases, new fighters could be launched out of the tubes as soon as the first ones were deployed
You know which ship had almost all of those? Fighter launch tubes, concealed bridge, point defence, retractable hangars, armour without a single point of failure - Battlestar Galactica!
I remember I had very hard times in the Rogue Squadron games to take down ISD's with a starfighter, even for Y-Wings. They had very strong laser defense, especially at the front and the sides of the ship. The only weak spot was at the back side where the engines are. But there the TIE-Squadrons were already wating for you.
Time was when the actual model makers referred to those as radar domes. Curtis Saxton agreed, trying to label them as sensor domes in the Complete Locations book - or at least partly so.
One more flaw about the Star Destroyer is the huge blind spot where the main engines are. They have virtually no defense other than the shield generators and the Tie Fighters.
You are only referring to the canon sources. In the legends sources, books, graphic novels, and video games, and not forgetting the Imperial Source Book for West End Games, naval deployments and fleets were listed in exact detail. The Imperial Navy has hundreds of thousands of star-ships, with about half being front-line combat vessels. There were many support ships, including fleet carriers, resupply and reinforcement ships, and then there were the escorts, like the Carrack-class cruiser, or the Lancer-class frigate, or the interdictor cruisers! Star destroyers also carried large troop transports, that could hold 500 men each, as well as massive transport barges for deploying walkers and ground attack speeders. In many of these other sources, star destroyers were designed to take punishment, while essentially duelling it out in a 'broadside' style engagement. To this end, they had powerful tractor beams that would hold a target in place, allowing the heavy turbolasers and ion cannons to batter it until it surrendured, or was outright destroyed. The ISD also has multiple back-up generators for the shields, weapons and deflectors. Mentioned a few times is the life support and propulsion systems, which are priority systems and always protected.
After playing Star Wars: Squadrons, I now understand the reasoning behind the exposed bridge on Star Destroyers. When attacking a Star Destroyer as a small fighter, you want to fly underneath the shields to do damage to the hull directly. This is extremely easy to do to the main hull because it’s completely flat, apart from the cannons. If the bridge was on the main lower hull, it would be easy to shoot because all you have to do is fly in a straight line whilst firing your lasers at the giant metal pizza right underneath you. However, when the hull is placed in the way it is on the Imperial Star Destroyer, it’s extremely difficult to fly underneath the shields protecting it. Once the shields go down is when the exposed bridge becomes an issue.
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The asymmetric design does hold some potential benefits by concentrating your armour & firepower on the side of the ship facing the enemy. This'll be particularly useful in fleet engagements where you're presenting a cohesive battle line.
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I'd heard the shield domes on top of the bridge tower were in addition to smaller ones in the hull. They added extra shield generators to counter the problems with the overly exposed bridge.
The TIE fighters are the skeleton army in clash Royale - built for quantity than quality. Designed to overwhelm with numbers rather than by strategic attacks.
First off Imperial Star Destroyer has one shield Dome, the Dome on the right is Communications dome. Second depending on what class of Star Destroyer it have anywhere from 64 to 108 Point defense weapons, placed across that entire side Ridge. The weapons you mentioned are all for shipt to ship combat. The underside Hangar Bay is shielded if its own personal Shield, with 8 Defence Blaster cannons in three front and back tractor beams. With six more tractor beams up front. Third eye on weapons are made to bypass Shields, armor really can't do much against ion weapons, which are designed to disable, scramble the circuits, and shut down mechanical systems, including droids. A Jawa shut R2 what the ion blaster in New Hope on tanooine.
Now that you mention it imperial Star Destroyers do have more in common with WW1 battleships than WW2 battleships. Both ISDs and WW1 BBs had lots of massive cannons, were slow, had large crews, built to only fight other capital ships, everybody wanted one, had huge weaknesses that could be seen from miles away, and neither had large numbers of AA cannons.
Considering it is suppose to lack point defense options, that is the VERY thing that would always kick my butt in games like Rebel Strike or Rogue Squadron, heck, even the 2005 Battlefront 2. Like excuse me Mr. The Star Destroyer could you not? Great video. Would love to see one on the Venator and/or Accalamator since they are of the same line of ship.
Another flaw the ISD has is the lack of superfireing positioning of its main guns i.e. it would have to tip its bow down quite a bit to focus all its guns on either side of the superstructure forward which would render all of its ventral and most of its side guns usless. A better design would be to place all the main guns in a central row along the dorsal and ventral hull in superfiring positions so the could fire on either side, all forward, and some "over the shoulder", basically design it more like an actual battleship. Then put all you smaller guns and point defense on either "wing" of the triangle to protect the ship from smaller threats. Combine this with escorts and fighters and you've got one hell of a defensive screen for your capital ships. A flawed but fixable ship design.
The star destroyer had 3 shield gen 2 on the bridge and 1 under the ship and the hanger door under the ship could be closed. The ISD had three hangers 2 on the sides and one under the ISD.
I agree with the point of lack of short-range weaponry, but there's an important note to be made: while the Imperial Navy's mission was peacekeeping, the ISD's purpose was force projection. A significant portion of its design favoured raw intimidation over tactical efficiency, so carrying enough firepower to level a city from high orbit is a natural extension of that.
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"The destruction of Alderaan" *shows destruction of Vulcan*
Blasphemy
Damn! Beat me to it! (By 2 years.... :| )
They’re basically the same thing plotwise
Hm..
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Engineer: let's get point defence.
Empire: let's not.
Engineer: do you know what that is?
Empire: Nope.
Engineer: Fine then your bridge is gonna be hella exposed.
Empire: wow what a great design.
Haha well done
It has point defense, we see it in the movies and they have anti-fighter proton torpedoes.
lancer737 Oh my, i hopped you had given up, hasn't seen you in comments since a while
So, in what movie do we see an ISD2 making use of PDC or missiles of any kind?
@@scorpixel1866 Empire Strikes back and Return of the Jedi with books like Blade Squadron showing them use Anti-fighter proton torpedo launchers
@@scorpixel1866 I am not gonna stop till people stop using misinformation, especially 40k channels and Eckhartsladder.
You know, once again the Acclamator impresses. The huge cargo capacity, the ability to land, the massive cargo ramp. It is the perfect ship for planetary invasions. Pity the empire stopped producing them. Acclamators are awesome.
"sir we did it! We made a hexagon!"
"Good job the emperor will be pleased, now get us out of here"
"What do you mean there's no reverse? "
"sir i have a idea we use the tie fighters to reverse the ships enough so we canget out"
But, but, hexagons are bestagons.
Pretty sure admiral thrawn would approve of this video.
The fleet of the Imperium of Man would walk over Star Wars!
Galaxy Empire would walk over the Imperium...
@@WadcaWymiaru lol! Lay off thd glitterstim... it makes you hallucinate XD
would he really though or would he prefer the engineers get this to fix them
@@christiandauz3742 yep the imperium of man is scary powerful compared to the empire. Especially when you take into consideration the imperium would look at the empire as heretics and promptly glass every single one of their planets.
Didn't the alliance recognize 100 exploitable flaws in the star destroyer design.
That sounds like a coffee table book in mom mothmas office
They claim that, yet never do so.
I read somewhere it was 127,000 design flaws, but it's 2am my timezone, and I'm not a dolphin, so I need sleep.
According to wookieepedia it’s actually 174 000 flaws
Find me a design without flaws and i'll find you an engineer who's made a Faustian bargain
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They will find you
Then we're doomed. Arm the turbo lasers
They probably wrote it. Sun Tsu stole it.
I love how ur like : “I’m not an engineer...” but then proceede to taking apart the build of the Star Destroyer
So, at least in Legends, the way shields work is a dual system. Ships have both energy shields and particle shields. Energy shields protect against harmful radiation and energy blasts such as from a laser or turbolaser. Particle shields protect against solid objects (solid as in their physical state). Energy shields are pretty much always set to full strength because the majority of weapon systems are energy based. Particle shields on the other hand are usually set to low in order to protect against micro asteroids and small debris. The only way to stop a larger object (such as a proton torpedo or an out of control A-wing) is to turn up the particle shields to full or almost full strength. However, this prevents a ship from being able to fire back at the enemy or launch/retrieve any spacecraft.
Ions are charged particles; charged being the key word. The damage they inflict comes not from their impact but from the transfer of energy from particle to particle. Ion weapons essentially overcharge the systems of an enemy ship, causing them to fail and shut down. This makes them great for disabling shields and then possibly the ship.
Nukes cause EMPs , and the effects of Ion cannons is star wars mirrors that of and EMP (electromagnetic pulse). Since an EMP is electromagnetic radiation, if ray shields could stop it, then they would block all light and make it impossible to see out of the ship. The EMP and the immense blast caused by nukes would therefore make them extremely effective against ships in star wars
Huh. Cool.
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Why not just use napalm or put oil in the water. That normally works well along with plastic and whaling ship. Just saying and I'm sure one of us here can easily afford that, not sure who though.
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11:31 "another happy landing"
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That was with the cis ship not the star destroyer because it's a destroyer of its self that's how it got its name
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The thing is, the Empire could afford to lose a few ISD's after all they had - what - 25,000? The Rebellion didn't have that kind of Firepower. But yeah, they didn't put to much thought into it regarding fleet to fleet action. However that wasn't really their primary task. They were really mobile bases for enforcing Imperial authority on world.
If only they hadn't built those bloody Death Star folly's. The Rebels would never had such great victories. Prior to this, Fleet to Fleet actions would be for the Rebels a even greater disaster due to a lack of numbers.
As Stalin once said "Quantity has a quality all of its own".
Thata what she said
I feel like for a empire authority. It was pretty fair in terms of power to the rebellion. I mean how else could you explain the rebellions success?
Well the reinforcements would only be a dust pan and brush because they stay back until the other fleet has been destroyed and they are just finishing what the other fleet started
Z J We all know new Canon is complete bull. 100 ISDs, 8 Executors, and 2 Assertors, etcetera... yeah. Great fleet balancing.
@@flare9757 It make sense, kid. Remember that Rebellion have only few larger battleships and carriers, with vast majority of they forces being frigates. They still were vastly outnumbered by the Empire as ISD's are still proper capital ships. Numbers from legends are downright ridiculous.
Should have made a better Venator.
Should have kept the Venator
With a lower bridge. And larger hangars
AS he said, the mission changed from war to peace keeping. Look at the police and look at the mil. who has the more firepower (raw) and who has the (more refined) firepower)? The venator was a war ship (but still cinematic in nature and had the same faults). But, it had fighters. It was easy to build and did serve as an assault ship. The empire now had an empire to run/protect/peace keep. Yes, the Empire should have kept the Venator and done something to it. But, (as we see with Hitler) dictators rarely see above their own meglamania and rarely allow any one else to challenge their meglomania.
@@jackbroomell3567 an Imperial Star Destroyer is way stronger than a Venator
As a single vessel maybe, but the Venator had a bigger compliment of ships including transport ships and assorted fighters which could deploy a lot faster than Ties on an ISD. I personally would prefer a Venator over an ISD any day
Wouldn't another weakness be the very visible main reactor.
Again, it looks "cinematic".
The main reactors are extremely heavily shielded and armored.
It's "Visible" but that bulge is almost all armor, and by sheer heat and electricity emissions there's no way to hide a reactor's general location. MOST of the reactor's dead center of the ship but that's just not quite enough space so having a piece of it that runs close to the surface covered in extra armor is a safer bet.
James Ricker Not shielded. It is on the complete opposite side of the ship from the Shield Projectors. In fact, if in ESB the Ion Cannon hit the belly of an ISD, it probably would have exploded.
James Ricker? I think I know that guy.
There was a ventral shield generator on the star destroyers, the dome under the ship behind the hangar was the primary generator for the ship and the 2 smaller generators near the bridge were back ups also placed to provide reinforced shields to the command sections.
The Empire's mistake was quantity over quality(in regards to fighters).
The only thing lacking is defensive capabilities overall. Overall they have better maneuverability, better speed and acceleration, the best targeting computers, best ecm and ECM. Firepower, overall, also goes to the TIES. Individually the A-Wing had the best speed, acceleration, and ECM. The TIE Interceptor had the best maneuverability, super coustomability that allowed it have better engines and shields, and a hyper drive, and projectile launchers, and multiple beam weapons and advanced tactical jammers. TIE Interceptors also had the most advanced targeting computers and possibly ECCM.
Because of its capabilities after being nodded the TIE Interceptor is the best tied with the Defender. MOdding might feel cheap but most other fighters, including Wing Fighters, don't appear to be anywhere near as easy to moderate nor are shown be as dramatically molded, possibly because of weight or energy requirements and so on.
If they wanted more quantity, maybe they shouldn't have made the hangers smaller.
@@Appletank8 I think they are fine in most cases. Most ships in real life cant launch all there fighters anywhere near as fast as a Star Destroyer.
@@lancer737 The TIEs that *have* shields are great. But it seems(and Star Wars: Empire at War can confirm this, iirc), the Empire puts more into sheer volume of fighters. They flood the field with glass cannons(typical, *basic* fighters). Reminds me of Matrix Revolutions, the swarming machines. Yeah, you'll have the occasional modified interceptor or few, but it's most often the un-shielded(or weak-shielded by comparison to X-Wings, again, iirc).
But, I could be wrong☺.
@@wildside316 That's a game mechanic though. Most engagements in the stories and movies, have TIE Fighters fighting in equal or outnumbered conflicts. In ep 4 it was 9 TIEs vs over 30 wing fighters. In Return of the Jedi the Rebels had around 6 mon cal cruisers, each carries 120 wing fighters. Being unfinished, I doubt the Death Star 2 had anywhere near a full compliment, they had less than 2,400 TIEs at the battle with lots being assigned to protect all the SD which were not fighting till they were forced into point blank range.
This makes me appreciate how well thought out the Battlestar Galactica was
Haven't finished watching the video yet, but I already agree with you regarding the bridge and the shield generators. I can actually think of a relatively easy way to destroy an Imperial Class Star Destroyer. Exploit their lack of point-defense and the inferiority of the TIE fighter to the X-Wing and A-Wing. Attack with a fleet of fighter and bombers. Have the fighters engage the TIE fighters, and have the bombers target the reactor bulge on the ventral surface of the ship with heir proton torpedoes and concussion missiles.
Edit: Finished watching the video. I enjoyed it, and think you made valid points. I now have some ideas regarding how to improve the Imperial Class Star Destroyer. In no particular order:
-Remove the entire tower structure on which the bridge is located.
-Relocate the bridge to a more well protected central area within the ship.
-Eliminate the ventral reactor bulge, increasing the overall size of the ship if necessary.
-Add a number of redundant shield generators in multiple locations.
-Add a comprehensive point defense network.
-Shield the ship against Ion weapons.
-If at all possible, have the same armament on the ventral surface of the ship, as on the dorsal surface. If nothing else, have the point defenses extend to the ventral surface.
-And last but not least, improve the godawful TIE fighters!
Even after all these potential improvements, I also believe that the Imperial Star Destroyer should be deployed with an escort fleet, for maximum flexibility.
Would you say Thrawn’s tie defender was an OP ship
Yea it was op too expensive for wide deployment... but perfect for a special rebel hunting task force
I feel like the Defender, on paper, is more or less on par with similarly armed and shielded ships like X-Wings.
However, since the Empire almost exclusively uses flying coffins like the TIEs, the Defender is downright OP by comparison.
Grand Admiral Zaarin made the TIE Defender.
lancer737 oh right wrong tie ship
That would be Legends. Then again, Grand Admiral Thrawn came up with the Star Wing Gunboat and the Missileboat.
2:25 the Tarkin Doctrine was really bad, as loads of excellently designed clone wars republic vehicles eg: ARC 170s or LAAT Gunships, were replaced by less capable vehicles eg: TIE Fighters or Imperial Shuttles. Also why does no capital ship designer never learn to change the position of the bridge as almost each era in both Canon and Legends has an example of a capital ship having its bridge shot out or crashed into, most recent in The Last Jedi which resulted the entire Resistance fleet being commanded (and destroyed) by Vice Admiral Purple Hair Holdo
How exactly did Holdo destroy the fleet? What would you have done?
@@DrewLSsix I would have hyperspace kamikaze 1 or 2 transport ships to the First Order fleet.
Republic: We are perfect (Rebellion: true, true)
Empire: We are better (Rebellion: ...We blew up a space station the size of a moon and many, many Star Destroyers... With star fighters.)
Remember: "ruling by fear" is better described as "recruiting for the enemy". The Death Star should have been called the "Rebel Alliance Recruitment Beacon".
Ten flaws of the Tie fighters.
Barry Bend More like, the only 3 things the TIE did well...
Barry Bend you mean existing
1: Overwhelm through sheer numbers
2: Provide excellent target practice for rebel pilots
3: I've got nothing.
1: No shields
2: No hyperdrive
3: No life support
4: No warheads
5: Easy to sabotage
6: Poor atmospheric maneuverability
7: Huge target profile from the sides
8: No landing gear
9: ......it's ugly?
10. Referred to as a "flying coffin"
@@RavingNutter that's five not ten
I thoroughly enjoy how edgy this channel is getting while being acceptably tame. Favorite TH-cam channel.
Dolphin attacks are on the rise, currently a beach in France is closed to the public due to a rampaging horndog dolphin, raping anyone who gets in the water. #HumanityFirst
david ernesto 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Yeap. They love to live stream to..
U mean migrants illegaly entering a country
Is that true?
@@beandyforthewin6640 it happened a while ago, but yeah.
Here is a a good top 10 flaws idea for a video 10 flaws of vader's suit
Granted, a lot of theories point to many of those being intentional
#1:the suit.
I have one question does it destroy stars?
Nope. It was said, that a Star Destroyer could 'destroy' i.e. devastate a planet on it's own. However, 'Planet Destroyer' sound less epic than 'Star Destroyer' and the naming was part of the Tarkin doctrine of projecting fear.
The thought was that having one Star Destroyer in a star system was supposed to be enough to stop any thought of resisting the Empire. Few planets had a military that could hinder a Star Destroyer
@@grayscribe1342 it's a joke
*shrug* These days you never know.
No, the name doesn't fit
Fábio Vieira lol true
Man! When This dude rants and go’s on about the dolphins I always die of laughter🤣😂
When you start to think about why star wars space battles are fought in relatively close ranges and usually within solar systems and not in interstellar space, it starts to make some sense as to why.
Space combat at long ranges that span many millions of miles, would be extremely frustrating for gunners, commanders, and radar technicians.
Yes, we must make things easier for people like Matt the radar technician.
@GNK-1730 yea poor Matt he isn’t able to lead a ship about a light year away
"It inspires fear induced bowel movements in the hearts of your enemies" Herbalife, yum! LMFAO 💝 Sometimes you are so hilarious, I have to let you know. 😂
4 ion protection. Arms and armor are always locked in a race. Ion torpedoes are designed to do this, if they where not effective they they would fall out of use. Also physics works differently in Star Wars.
I wish there was a whole alternate Empire that had more balls than this Empire
*Whisper* Hey kid, ever heard of Spaceballs?
7:50 well that escalated quickly
Another great video from Generation Tech, thanks for the laughs and love all video's, keep on keeping on
Thanks Jotaroku glad you found it funny
9:47 I believe the ISD has 3 hangers. The larger opening on the bottom of the ship has a hanger on each side while there is a smaller 3rd hanger further to the front
Can you do a 10 flaws episode on the cantina of tatooine??😂
Like from the point of view of a health inspector?
*that* would be fun to watch! :-D
Do droids go to cantinas to drink, or to replenish their servo oil?
@@GenerationTech why droids can't enter! If grievous is on tatooine and he is very thirsty he can't go in the cantina
If grievous heard you call him a droid he would come in here and kill you personally.
Yeeeeeah! My reply made it into the video!
2:36 mins in and your showing vulcan from STAR TREK
I noticed that too!
I would of thought that would be blasphemy?
Wrong universe!!!
I love it, it does have so many weakness. However, I think that comes from Sith thinking, as well as the Tarkin Doctrine. Shock and awe, might makes right, etc. Sure 70 fighters isn't much but against two (maximum) squadrons of Alliance fighters not to mention the heavy city devastating turbo lasers, the demoralizing power of the ISD alone makes up for its flaws in a way.
Generation tech i have to ask, what kind of soundtrack are you using to your videos? I checked the description but i can seem to find it.
It’s a website called epidemic sound
You CAN Seem to find it?
I like the musssiccc
did the Australian guy pick this music?
Generation Tech please make a theory video about what if Obi-wan Kenobi left the jedi order to be with Duchess Satine after his padawan mission to protect her.
10 flaws of light sabers
I approve of this and all 10 star destroyer flaws made it into my bendu playlist for starwars and fantasy.
Star Destroyers were great in Empire at War. That game made it feel glorious to be the Empire.
Hide your taskbar
The task bar holds my fragile realit together
:D
I spend 90% of the videos staring at it xD
that intro killed my sides hahahaha
Go back to Yogscast channel. TH-cam doesn't need another Justin Y.
Also whats with the Ben cult anyway. It's getting strange...
Also in WW1 battleships were also usually escorted by destroyers in a fleet. However that didn't mean they didn't have large secondary armament themselves. In WW2 the secondary armament of battleships became arguably more important than their primary.
Showing the destruction of Vulcan while talking about Alderaan had me floored.
keep on putting out that amazing content generation tech, death to the alien menace!
Humanity First!!
I’m an Alien. I’m a legal Alien, I’m an Alien in London (UK)…..👽
So does this mean that it's so easy to kill humans, dolphins can do it in their sleep? 🤔
Yes the threat is real
*thanks for all the fish* 😈
No the threat is not real
I make a super accurate dolphin sound
coughcoughidonotsleepcough.
Landing the SSD to deploy all the troops at once was an excellent idea. It’s just a shame that it isn’t the empire who thought of it...
ATAT's and ATST lists of " Shoot HERE ! " stickers top 10 weaknesses.
Fighter deployment is handled MUCH better in franchises like Battlestar Galactica and Babylon 5 which had the fighted shot out of the sides of the craft in individual launch tubes or bays, dozens could be launched at a time and in some cases, new fighters could be launched out of the tubes as soon as the first ones were deployed
Marginally better, they were still utterly fictional and romanticized.
I wanna see 10 flaws with at sts
I like the '10 flaws series'. Keep it going please.
Keep up the awesome work Generation Tech crew, and Allen you do you man, others negative opinions mean nothing
Anyone who disliked this video is a dolphin
(Responds in rapid clicking sounds)
Or someone who likes Star Destroyers just the way they are.
To be fair the Imperial-I SD had laser cannons....but the Imperial-II replaced them with more turbolasers or power systems I believe....
You know which ship had almost all of those? Fighter launch tubes, concealed bridge, point defence, retractable hangars, armour without a single point of failure - Battlestar Galactica!
just fainted at school, I have super low pressure right now, This is keeping me okay, ty
Anyone else insanely confused with the first couple minutes 😂
What about 10 flaws of Vulture droids?
Your humor and wit game is on point. Well done. Damn Dolphins.
I remember I had very hard times in the Rogue Squadron games to take down ISD's with a starfighter, even for Y-Wings. They had very strong laser defense, especially at the front and the sides of the ship. The only weak spot was at the back side where the engines are. But there the TIE-Squadrons were already wating for you.
The shield generators
Where right in the opening
Those two spheres on the ship
What where they thinking ?
Are they trying to lose ?
Sometimes you have to lose to win?
Time was when the actual model makers referred to those as radar domes. Curtis Saxton agreed, trying to label them as sensor domes in the Complete Locations book - or at least partly so.
I read this is the AVGN's voice
Why can't they get shields for their shields
Top 10 flaws with top 10 flaws?
One more flaw about the Star Destroyer is the huge blind spot where the main engines are. They have virtually no defense other than the shield generators and the Tie Fighters.
Bro I died laughing when he started talking about dolphins
Can you do a the flaws for the finalizer ship. Thanks
Ankit Bhardwaj the resurgent class battlecruiser
You are only referring to the canon sources. In the legends sources, books, graphic novels, and video games, and not forgetting the Imperial Source Book for West End Games, naval deployments and fleets were listed in exact detail. The Imperial Navy has hundreds of thousands of star-ships, with about half being front-line combat vessels.
There were many support ships, including fleet carriers, resupply and reinforcement ships, and then there were the escorts, like the Carrack-class cruiser, or the Lancer-class frigate, or the interdictor cruisers!
Star destroyers also carried large troop transports, that could hold 500 men each, as well as massive transport barges for deploying walkers and ground attack speeders.
In many of these other sources, star destroyers were designed to take punishment, while essentially duelling it out in a 'broadside' style engagement. To this end, they had powerful tractor beams that would hold a target in place, allowing the heavy turbolasers and ion cannons to batter it until it surrendured, or was outright destroyed.
The ISD also has multiple back-up generators for the shields, weapons and deflectors. Mentioned a few times is the life support and propulsion systems, which are priority systems and always protected.
To bad none of that has anything to do with what we see in the films....
It's still one of my all-time favourite sci-fi capships of all time. Warts and all.
After playing Star Wars: Squadrons, I now understand the reasoning behind the exposed bridge on Star Destroyers. When attacking a Star Destroyer as a small fighter, you want to fly underneath the shields to do damage to the hull directly. This is extremely easy to do to the main hull because it’s completely flat, apart from the cannons. If the bridge was on the main lower hull, it would be easy to shoot because all you have to do is fly in a straight line whilst firing your lasers at the giant metal pizza right underneath you. However, when the hull is placed in the way it is on the Imperial Star Destroyer, it’s extremely difficult to fly underneath the shields protecting it. Once the shields go down is when the exposed bridge becomes an issue.
Hahahaha vulcan
;)
*hides the dolphin corpses in my closet* you didnt see anything
Rebel Bridge: *exists*
Tie fighter pilot: so you have chosen...death.
"...one of the most recognizable triangle-shaped things after pizza and HerbaLife's business model.." On point.
Beautiful video Generation Tech as always 👍 You have excellent points. 1 like=1 love to your channel. Let's start the liking guys 😉
Thanks zack!
Generation Tech thanks for actually seeing a comment of mine for the first time ever!
wow allen got triggered, dont c tht everyday hahaha
Haha I don’t know if triggered was the right word sometimes I see comments that the world just needs to see
Bro I love your sick burn when you said about only 93% of us being human. I totally agree though people are horrible beings in general or can be at times. By the way I having been loving all these Star Wars videos, they are really good theories and informative. Keep up the good work. You are an amazing human so don't let some of these people be right knobs to you.
The asymmetric design does hold some potential benefits by concentrating your armour & firepower on the side of the ship facing the enemy.
This'll be particularly useful in fleet engagements where you're presenting a cohesive battle line.
HAHAHAHA FUNNY
Hey! Steve again and firstly I'm at home watching this. Secondly, the melee kill may be far more difficult on those crafty porpoises, but few actions available to humankind produce a greater feeling of satisfaction... Ahhh....
That intro was incredible
I enjoy your videos, I would not call you on something that you miss said. You take the time to do the research and effort to make these videos. I would just like to say thank you.
You should do 10 flaws with stormtrooper armour and by the way love the channel and amazing video keep up the good work
I'd heard the shield domes on top of the bridge tower were in addition to smaller ones in the hull. They added extra shield generators to counter the problems with the overly exposed bridge.
The TIE fighters are the skeleton army in clash Royale - built for quantity than quality. Designed to overwhelm with numbers rather than by strategic attacks.
First off Imperial Star Destroyer has one shield Dome, the Dome on the right is Communications dome. Second depending on what class of Star Destroyer it have anywhere from 64 to 108 Point defense weapons, placed across that entire side Ridge. The weapons you mentioned are all for shipt to ship combat. The underside Hangar Bay is shielded if its own personal Shield, with 8 Defence Blaster cannons in three front and back tractor beams. With six more tractor beams up front. Third eye on weapons are made to bypass Shields, armor really can't do much against ion weapons, which are designed to disable, scramble the circuits, and shut down mechanical systems, including droids. A Jawa shut R2 what the ion blaster in New Hope on tanooine.
I had to stop n tap the screen to make sure the title of the video..that intro was wild. 🤣🤣🤣
Emperor: FEAR STRIKE!!
Engineer: uh, why not have the shield generator in the underbelly?
Emperor: But that mean’s, no fear strike!?
your ideal placement of the bridge is exactly how Covenant ships are built in the Halo universe
Now that you mention it imperial Star Destroyers do have more in common with WW1 battleships than WW2 battleships.
Both ISDs and WW1 BBs had lots of massive cannons, were slow, had large crews, built to only fight other capital ships, everybody wanted one, had huge weaknesses that could be seen from miles away, and neither had large numbers of AA cannons.
US defense contractors: Write this down.
Considering it is suppose to lack point defense options, that is the VERY thing that would always kick my butt in games like Rebel Strike or Rogue Squadron, heck, even the 2005 Battlefront 2. Like excuse me Mr. The Star Destroyer could you not?
Great video. Would love to see one on the Venator and/or Accalamator since they are of the same line of ship.
Another flaw the ISD has is the lack of superfireing positioning of its main guns i.e. it would have to tip its bow down quite a bit to focus all its guns on either side of the superstructure forward which would render all of its ventral and most of its side guns usless.
A better design would be to place all the main guns in a central row along the dorsal and ventral hull in superfiring positions so the could fire on either side, all forward, and some "over the shoulder", basically design it more like an actual battleship.
Then put all you smaller guns and point defense on either "wing" of the triangle to protect the ship from smaller threats.
Combine this with escorts and fighters and you've got one hell of a defensive screen for your capital ships.
A flawed but fixable ship design.
The star destroyer had 3 shield gen 2 on the bridge and 1 under the ship and the hanger door under the ship could be closed. The ISD had three hangers 2 on the sides and one under the ISD.
So long, and thanks for all the fish!
Generation
Tech---your videos are fun. I love the huge dreadnaught class ships. *Lucas owes so much to "Ralph McQuarrie"*
I agree with the point of lack of short-range weaponry, but there's an important note to be made: while the Imperial Navy's mission was peacekeeping, the ISD's purpose was force projection. A significant portion of its design favoured raw intimidation over tactical efficiency, so carrying enough firepower to level a city from high orbit is a natural extension of that.
I really like your videos, they are hilarious and informative. Keep it up bro
Thanks!