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I was playing Germany in hoi4 kaiserreich, and I invaded Austria. After ignoring Europe a bit to focus on invading China and India, I noticed that Switzerland now owned voralberg and I was confused considering I was the one who conquered it. Glad I got some sort of explanation.
Vorarlberg is connected to the rest of Austria by the Arlberg tunnels. Before the construction of the Arlberg rail tunnel it was quite impossible to reach Vorarlberg in Winter on Austrian territory. The locals have this saying: What God has seperated by a mountian (the Arlberg), men should not connect with a tunnel.
I live in quite another part of Europe, on the Swedish west coast. There are two islands here, that finally got connected with the mainland and with each other in 1967 (if I remember correctly). The people there, especially on the smaller island, used to be against the bridges that connected them with the mainland. On a dark night in 1980 one of the bridges to that island, which is called Tjörn, was hit by a ship in foggy weather. It collapsed, and 8 people were killed when they unknowingly drove over the edge and fell into the water deep below. "Somewhat" cynically many people on the island remarked: "Now only the bridge to Orust (the other island) needs to collapse, and we'll live quite peaceful out here." 🙄
The late 1800s and early 1900s are such extraordinary times to research, there's so much development yet the historical beauty stayed! I don't understand why noone else creates videos on this subject.
"and the former brother countries became each other's worst enemies after the austrians found out that the germans like to put sauce on their schnitzels which is regarded as the worst and most heinous crime you could possible commit" Well that certainly is true. Sincerly a fellow austrian
Das beste Schnitzel ist sowieso das wo man 2 Schnitzel zusammenklopft, Käse und Schinken dazwischen tut und dann Cordon Bleu nennt. Grüsse aus der Schweiz ;). P.S - Die Deutschen haben schon Recht. So ne Jägersauce über nem Schnitzel. Mjam!
Damn, i live in Vorarlberg and didn't know about this!? In recent times this still looks atractive as we are almost the same as the Swiss. Thank you that you made this Video, i wouldn't know about it without you.
Never in a million years would I have expected that there would ever be an English video made on this topic! (I also would’ve said that it’ll take years for one to be made in German) I’m just a little confused about the flawless German… Any way, nice job!
For anyone wondering, the photo shown at 3:14 shows the area where today you can find a Rolls Royce museum. It is located in Dornbirn, sitting right besides the Dornbirnerach. I think I remember that this place was used for textile production back in the days. I'm German but I have lived in Vorarlberg for four and a half years and even though I have only been at the spot where the photo was taken once, yet I instantly recognised it. Vorarlberg is a beautiful place.
Being Swiss I don't blame anyone for thinking so. We barely understand some of our own German dialects and even the French and Italian spoken here have their own twists. Not to mention Romansh.
You talk like Warographics! Best video on this topic! Thank you for covering this obscure historical moment, hopefully more videos like these! Very good video!
I think its important to mention that Switzerland had really no interest in annexing Vorarlberg due to two further factors: Vorarlberg was German-speaking and catholic. In Switzerland those two factors were a major balance issue and could have tipped the scale in the one or other favour, especially in the council of states where every canton gets two seats
In Vorarlberg we speak this kind of bastardized german, I as a native speaker I think that this dialect is nice but literally nobody except for some Bavarians can understand it. So saying that Vorarlberg is German speaking is kind of an insult. 🥲
Amazing video on an obscure topic that has been mostly forgotten, the post WWI days were wild, granted everything was wild back then. To my knowledge the Swiss were mostly against it because it would have tipped the balance even more towards the German speaking and catholic population and because the Entente made it pretty clear that they wouldn't support anything in that direction, so pretty much what you said in the video. Fun fact, during the campaign and especially after the referendum failed, the opposite faction made fun of the supporters by calling Voralberg "Kanton übrig" mockingly, meaning "left over canton" Grüessli us de Schwiz
Some might be interested in knowing that Kantonsrat Martin Sailer somewhat recently attempted to initiate a renewed debate on the Vorarlberg Referendum. Ultimately it was probably more of an elaborate troll rather than a genuin policy goal, but it was funny that a referendum from 100 years ago once again making the local news. 13:27 correct
There is a good chance, that Vorarlberg would vote yes. Even with 2 Tunnels to Rest of Austria, Vorarlberg is more connected to the Swiss and German Bodenseeraum, by speech, economy and people. And Switzerland still has the better democracy, better tax system and better income.
There was also another reason that you haven't mentioned on why it wasn't wanted as a new canton in Switzerland. A new Catholic canton bothered the protestant cantons, which you've mentioned. But a new German-speaking canton also bothered the French-speaking cantons (Geneva, Valais, Fribourg, Neuchâtel, and at the time Bern with a large minority of French speakers). Before the creation of the canton of Jura, the German speaking cantons had 77% of the seats in the conseil des États, the Senate, an already high proportion compared to the demographic size of the region, meanwhile the French speaking cantons were under-represented (a situation better corrected with the Jura canton). So a new German speaking canton was a big no-no, particularly because WW1 almost tears the country apart after some German-speaking politicians, militarymen and bureaucrats surreptitiously worked to bring Switzerland into the war on the side of Germany (the first big scandal took place in 1916 when two high ranking colonels were discovered to be working for the central powers), as the Swiss French kept defending the neutrality of the country and, at the time that Voralberg made its petition, had been proven completely right in forcing the country to stay neutral instead of having joined the losing side in the war.
Some years ago an SVP politician made a proposal to facilitate the access of some neighbouring areas into Switzerland, among these there was my native city of Como, in Italy. If this happened, it would have made me a native Swiss instead of an Italian immigrant i guess. After all I was born only 5 km from the swiss border
Would've been interesting, but here we are now. Better to like each other on the opposite sides of the border than to hate each other inside the same country. haha
A Switzerland that has Vorarlberg but lost its Italian-speaking canton of Ticino would be interesting. Maybe add in Austria keeping the German-speaking South Tyrol into that mix and we'd have a nice rotation of border provinces, thus keeping everyone at least not unhappy about it all. Everyone but the French-speaking Swiss, that is! Prettier linguistic borders at the cost of very predictable increased internal conflict & instability within Switzerland? worth it? Worth it! :D
At the time, Italy kept a policy of somewhat guaranteeing Austria's borders, since they saw it as now being in the Italian sphere of influence, so to say. Also, just a general argument of "maintaining the balance of power in the region", which completely goes out of the window when you consider that Italy took South Tyrol right next door at the same time this was happening
Lol I‘ve heard a different story in switzerland. Alot of textile production has been outsourced to vorarlberg were labour was cheaper and they wanted it to keep it this way. Joining switzerland would have increased the salary/cost of vorarlberg production. I live 10min walking distance to the vorarlberg border. Economicly, culturaly and linguisticly they are still closer to the swiss then the rest of austria. Some austrians don‘t like to hear it but thats just how it is.
Thank you for this video about a very interesting topic 👍🏼 I came to Bregenz in the early 80s and went to school there. Vorarlberg is somehow different than other parts of Austria and I like this 😉
I want a full video on Karl I. He’s such a mad lad in my opinion. He’s just a King, who tried his best, but damn was his best on a different level, for the time.
This ruler (Karl I)was completely detached from reality and tried to recreate an dead empire by force, which no one wanted (except the Viennese elite, still dreaming of an easy life and milking numerous subjects, disregarding the real aspirations of the nations forced to obey the Austrians). "You have to love Austria like a mother, because if not, the "mother's lover" (the Hungarian) will come and kick the butts of all disobedient subjects (If he couldn't make it, mom will call the big German brother - and he can kick really hard!). He was a pitiful character who didn't understand the spirit of the times. That's why he ended up in a pathetic way.
@@charlesgrant-skiba5474 it wasn't a dead empire, it was a murdered empire. the idea that the habsburg empire was a "prison of nations" is allied propaganda from the first world war. president wilsons philosophy of "self determination" was a strategy to weaken one of the members of the central powers
@@willkettle3959 Dear friend, There is not a single country (which was previously part of Austria-Hungary) that misses or wants to recreate it. The proof of this is not only in politics but also in literature. It is enough to read "The Good Soldier Švejk" by Jaroslav Hašek to understand the attitude of the Czechs, Moravians and others towards the Empire. Ukrainians have been looking for independence for a long time (in Galicia and Bukovina - see the work of Taras Shevchenko). Even the Hungarians also wanted to break away from the rule of Vienna (several uprisings against the Austrians) - despite the fact that their elites played an important role in the Empire! The Poles considered the part of former Poland that had been annexed by the Austrians to be the most dangerous for their culture and national identity. I do not even have to mention the Balkan states (there is a lot of literature showing the wickedness of the Austrians and Hungarians in the former Empire. The only exception may be Kraina, but more cultural than political). Even the former allies did not support the idea of recreating any "reformed" Empire, which contributed to the complete failure of the desperate attempt to take over the power and the Hungarian crown by Karl II. During World War I, tens of thousands of Austro-Hungarian soldiers, and perhaps more (mostly Slavs, but also Hungarians and Jews), deserted to the enemy side and joined the Russian army fighting against Austria (these were unprecedented events in history). Even Vorarlberg wanted to join Switzerland or Germany, similar tendencies were in Salzburg - for good reason. The Sudeten Germans missed Berlin much more than Vienna. Austria-Hungary had long been an inefficient, bureaucratic and corrupt state organism, which became clear at the time of crisis (echoes of this can be seen in the novel "The Trial" by Franz Kafka). Attempts to save the Empire (despite the dissatisfaction of his father, Emperor Franz Josef) were attempted by Archduke Ferdinand ( he was even ready to grant autonomy or independence to certain parts of the Empire, under certain conditions of course) but even if he had survived the assassination attempt in Sarajevo, he would not have maintained the antiquated monarchical-aristocratic structure. Yes, the Allies cleverly used all these resentments, but they did not have to make an effort. Almost all over the Empire, the fall of Austro-Hungary was solemnly celebrated and the building of independent states began. And these countries celebrate their independence to this day!
Danke für dieses Video. Von dem Antisemitismus in Vorarlberg über "Wiener Juden" habe ich noch nie gehört. Wenn man heute in der Bevölkerung fragt, dann wollten die Vorarlberg damals den Anschluss an die Schweiz, wegen der kulturellen Nähe und ihrer direkten Demokratie. Bis jetzt wusste ich nur, dass die Schweizer Bevölkerung uns wahrscheinlich wegen unserem katholischen Glauben nicht wollten, dabei spielen noch viele andere Gründe ausschlaggebend. Vielen Dank für dieses Video.
Der wirkliche Grund war nicht der Katholizismus, denn insgesamt gibt es in der Schweiz mehr Katholiken als Protestanten, sondern das empfindliche Gleichgewicht zwischen Welschschweizern und Deutschschweizern. Dieses Gleichgewicht wäre durch einen Anschluss der deutschsprachigen Vorarlberger empfindlich gestört worden. Und eben das fürchtete die Schweizer Politik.
so the tl;dr version is: thank envious germany and thank envious italy for pressuring the swiss govt to not accept eastward expansion without endangering their relation to those two countries. In effect, both of them did Austria a favor during its time of weakness and vulnerability. So err...thanks. AEIOU.
I am actually from Vorarlberg, from "Hard am Bodensee" to ne more accurate, we Always make Jokes about this Referendum, but to be honest, we actually See ourselves at an own bunch of People, Not Austrian, Not swizz, Not German, we are Just vorarlberger
Hach, s´Ländle, the only place in the whole german speaking world, where you can great your neighbour with a sharp "Hail!" while holding your right arm up.
wämr umme übrn rhi in westa luagan, semr froh dassas ned passiert isch, mer hons etz ned bös im ländle sealbr :) abr schös ischs allmol dschwiz bsuacha go
@@oof5020 des sichr ned na :) und bede sitta profitieren guat vonanand aber es stimmt o dass dvorarlberger sitta sich i da letzta johr zum wirtschaftlicha und gesellschaftlicha zentrum vom rhital und da umliganda täler entwicklt hot wenn be da drei schwöstra odr am kasta doba stohsch siasch guat da untrschied i vrmuat des hot damit zum tua well döstliche schwiz sich ehnr um st galla orientiert wenn sländle an kanton worra wär, hät guat fealdkirch und dorabirra sglich schicksal wia chur und sargans erleaba künna, und da walgau wär an arms tal blibba wo halt da zug ga österrich durchfahrt
Calling swiss german as "Incomprehensible gibberish" is actually quite fair. If you speak german but don't come from swabia, you will have a hard time understanding anything
Good video but wrong about the general strike in Switzerland. The military presence was not because of the strike, the strike was because of the military presence. The central government agreed to lower the milk prices but a trigger happy Swiss German military officer, who could not believe the defeat of Germany and was convinced the left action committee "Aktionskomitee Olten" was planning a socialist revolution in conjunction with the "jews" in Moskau, forced the action committee to disband. The action committee up until this moment had no intention for a general strike but now sought help from the other worker committee's/parties. Especially the ones in the French speaking part had no interests in striking because they were quite happy withe the French victory and lower milk prices. Visiting from the disbanded action committee, the German speaking spokesman was booed by his French comrades for wanting to strike just because his committee was forced to disband at this moment the trigger happy military officer surrounded the lokal train station,(I think it was in Lausanne) giving the Swiss French speaking workers the impression they would be arrested and their democratic rights taken away, forcing them to agree with the Swiss-German that action was needed. In the end the strike was called of by its leaders after a few days because they were convinced a continuation of it would lead to violence and violence to revolutionary sentiment and even the leader of the Swiss workers party had no intention for a revolution. My point being, the calming of the situation had much less to do with increased military presence but much more with the general unwillingness for revolution and too much change throughout the whole population.
I seriously can't thank you enough for your detailed explanation! Do you by chance have any books on that topic that you could recommend? It sounds like a fascinating topic that I seem to have unrightfully glossed over so far ;)
@@SirManateee I'll have to look in to it but most if not all of the stuff I have is in German. Back to the strike I mean of course if the military was not deployed in mass as soon as the strike began I imagine it would have continued but what I find interesting is that just the threat of violence erupting was enough for the leader of the worker movement to cancel just after three days, in an Europe with extremely high acceptance and willingness for violence. The same can be said for the government in later stages but not the Swiss military. The information they gave the federal council were completely based on the stuff this one officer was reporting and they managed to convince the federal council that revolution was imminent leading to the disbandment of the action committee and the troop presence in Lausanne. Even though the government won a complete victory, without giving in to any of the demands, violence basically never broke out and everybody going back to work, in the weeks and the months to follow the highest wage increases to this day occurred throughout Switzerland and in nearly every industry and for most individuals. The government clearly communicated to the people that it was a government of consensus and not confrontation, continuing a very long tradition and shaping Swiss politics to this very day. Unfortunately it's barely known today in Switzerland and most likely just because it was handled so well by both sides.( I mean of course besides the antisemitic officer who basically started the whole thing lol)
What? Are you mixing up Switzerland and Netherlands? You know, one of them is very flat and still a monarchy? The other has lots of mountains, has the kicking out of foreign kings as founding principle, and is the place where Empress Sissi was killed?
*An introduction to how a region of Austria felt very Swiss and voted to join them in a referendum.* Me: Ah, how nice. This sounds like a very wholesome bunch of people who- *Anti-semitism* Me: Why the fuck am I not surprised this happened in Austria?
Vorarlberg has very little in common with Switzerland. Only the dialeg is somewhat the same. Today, Vorarlberg is one of the most densely populated federal states, with many people from Turkey and the Middle East living there. And the Swiss come to Vorarlberg every day to shop and fill up their cars.
@@elischarutzler6757 Yes, with 154 inhabitants per square kilometer of land area, Vorarlberg is the second most densely populated federal state in Austria after Vienna
I think a good video idea could be the era of "Austrofascism" and the Anschluss, and the theory "austrians wanted the anchluss" as an half austrian i can say this was not true, a good book to read is "alone against hitler"
That's a great idea that I should look into! And obviously, stating that Austrians wanted the Anschluss is a massive overgeneralisation, but there were very influencial groups on both sides of the border that wanted to unify the two countries. Still, the idea became less and less attractive as the interwar years went on
nope. the only thing true is that they had a disproportionate influence compared to their percentage of the total population. that alone isnt enough to pretend like they caused everything and everybody else din doo nothing.
You hear about this shit all over the world. California, Scotland, and Vorarlberg. People in Vorarlberg still talk about this shit. They kinda think they would be the next Liechtensten What ever...🦤
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There is literally a Austrian subreddit called "Schnitzelverbechen" (Schnitzelcrimes) most posts are about germans comiting crime
I was playing Germany in hoi4 kaiserreich, and I invaded Austria. After ignoring Europe a bit to focus on invading China and India, I noticed that Switzerland now owned voralberg and I was confused considering I was the one who conquered it. Glad I got some sort of explanation.
Vorarlberg is connected to the rest of Austria by the Arlberg tunnels. Before the construction of the Arlberg rail tunnel it was quite impossible to reach Vorarlberg in Winter on Austrian territory. The locals have this saying: What God has seperated by a mountian (the Arlberg), men should not connect with a tunnel.
Thanks for sharing, I wasn't aware if that :D
I live in quite another part of Europe, on the Swedish west coast. There are two islands here, that finally got connected with the mainland and with each other in 1967 (if I remember correctly). The people there, especially on the smaller island, used to be against the bridges that connected them with the mainland. On a dark night in 1980 one of the bridges to that island, which is called Tjörn, was hit by a ship in foggy weather. It collapsed, and 8 people were killed when they unknowingly drove over the edge and fell into the water deep below. "Somewhat" cynically many people on the island remarked: "Now only the bridge to Orust (the other island) needs to collapse, and we'll live quite peaceful out here." 🙄
@@SirManateee that mainly stems from the "resentment" (its more of a joke tbh) towards tyrolians.
The late 1800s and early 1900s are such extraordinary times to research, there's so much development yet the historical beauty stayed! I don't understand why noone else creates videos on this subject.
I agree, it's my favourite period of history ;D
Actually, Old Britannia also does videos on this time period.
The Victorian Era is underrated
"and the former brother countries became each other's worst enemies after the austrians found out that the germans like to put sauce on their schnitzels which is regarded as the worst and most heinous crime you could possible commit"
Well that certainly is true. Sincerly a fellow austrian
Das war was mich am Meisten überrascht hat! Schnitzel ist gut, aber mit einer richtig guten Soße macht's ihn noch geiler
just some lemon on top and its perfect
Das beste Schnitzel ist sowieso das wo man 2 Schnitzel zusammenklopft, Käse und Schinken dazwischen tut und dann Cordon Bleu nennt. Grüsse aus der Schweiz ;).
P.S - Die Deutschen haben schon Recht. So ne Jägersauce über nem Schnitzel. Mjam!
@@SimonS_94 Das ist auch mein 1. Gedanke gewesen. Unschlagbar
@@schlawyn3r418
Blasphemie
To be fair to the Vorarlbergers, the Swiss would never miss an opportunity to say
"Hmmmm... No"
Damn, i live in Vorarlberg and didn't know about this!? In recent times this still looks atractive as we are almost the same as the Swiss. Thank you that you made this Video, i wouldn't know about it without you.
We are not same as the swiss, we have similar prices but less income
You have never heard of Vorarlberg being referred to as Kanton Übrig?
Versuechens namol. Dasmol klappt's sicher. :P
@@oof5020 naaa
na, bleibt da
Never in a million years would I have expected that there would ever be an English video made on this topic! (I also would’ve said that it’ll take years for one to be made in German) I’m just a little confused about the flawless German… Any way, nice job!
Thank you, I had a lot of fun making it! Und übrigens braucht dich meine Aussprache nicht zu wundern ;)
@@SirManateee Bist du Österreicher oder Deutscher
@@schwein_star He's German. That's explains why he speaks good German.
@@FictionHubZAhe's Austrian lmao
@@barmybarmecide5390idkk channel description says Germany 🤷
For anyone wondering, the photo shown at 3:14 shows the area where today you can find a Rolls Royce museum. It is located in Dornbirn, sitting right besides the Dornbirnerach.
I think I remember that this place was used for textile production back in the days.
I'm German but I have lived in Vorarlberg for four and a half years and even though I have only been at the spot where the photo was taken once, yet I instantly recognised it. Vorarlberg is a beautiful place.
I LOLed at the " incomprehensible gibberisch" part. So true.
Being Swiss I don't blame anyone for thinking so. We barely understand some of our own German dialects and even the French and Italian spoken here have their own twists. Not to mention Romansh.
there is absolutely no way somebody actually made a video about vorarlberg.
good job
AAAAAANT
You talk like Warographics! Best video on this topic! Thank you for covering this obscure historical moment, hopefully more videos like these! Very good video!
Shots fired at Belgium at 2:18.
I think its important to mention that Switzerland had really no interest in annexing Vorarlberg due to two further factors: Vorarlberg was German-speaking and catholic. In Switzerland those two factors were a major balance issue and could have tipped the scale in the one or other favour, especially in the council of states where every canton gets two seats
In Vorarlberg we speak this kind of bastardized german, I as a native speaker I think that this dialect is nice but literally nobody except for some Bavarians can understand it. So saying that Vorarlberg is German speaking is kind of an insult. 🥲
Amazing video on an obscure topic that has been mostly forgotten, the post WWI days were wild, granted everything was wild back then.
To my knowledge the Swiss were mostly against it because it would have tipped the balance even more towards the German speaking and catholic population and because the Entente made it pretty clear that they wouldn't support anything in that direction, so pretty much what you said in the video.
Fun fact, during the campaign and especially after the referendum failed, the opposite faction made fun of the supporters by calling Voralberg "Kanton übrig" mockingly, meaning "left over canton"
Grüessli us de Schwiz
Some might be interested in knowing that Kantonsrat Martin Sailer somewhat recently attempted to initiate a renewed debate on the Vorarlberg Referendum.
Ultimately it was probably more of an elaborate troll rather than a genuin policy goal, but it was funny that a referendum from 100 years ago once again making the local news.
13:27 correct
There is a good chance, that Vorarlberg would vote yes. Even with 2 Tunnels to Rest of Austria, Vorarlberg is more connected to the Swiss and German Bodenseeraum, by speech, economy and people.
And Switzerland still has the better democracy, better tax system and better income.
Hope your channel explodes, its pretty clear to me to see how much care and love you put into these videos!
Ich bin entäuscht. Ich bin entäuscht, dass ein so guter Kanal noch so klein und unbekannt ist. Mach weiter so :) Grüsse aus der Schweiz
Dankeschön :D
The quality of these videos is impressive
Liechtenstein probably wouldn’t have been happy about that.
P.S. how were you able to get a sponsorship so early?
Imagine an Island of Liechtenstein in a sea of Switzerland.
And I have no idea, honestly
@Sir Manatee It would be the European Lesotho.
Also, congrats!
@@Artur_M.May I introduce you to the country of San Marino?
@@claudiusflavius2493 Oh yeah, although San Marino is even tinier and a republic, not a monarchy.
Liechtenstein is guaranteed by the Swiss though
Vorarlberg fits quite snugly into Switzerland
imagine ur form vorarlberg and see this video hahaha thaks a lot for this dude greets from vorarlberg/rankweil
There was also another reason that you haven't mentioned on why it wasn't wanted as a new canton in Switzerland.
A new Catholic canton bothered the protestant cantons, which you've mentioned. But a new German-speaking canton also bothered the French-speaking cantons (Geneva, Valais, Fribourg, Neuchâtel, and at the time Bern with a large minority of French speakers). Before the creation of the canton of Jura, the German speaking cantons had 77% of the seats in the conseil des États, the Senate, an already high proportion compared to the demographic size of the region, meanwhile the French speaking cantons were under-represented (a situation better corrected with the Jura canton). So a new German speaking canton was a big no-no, particularly because WW1 almost tears the country apart after some German-speaking politicians, militarymen and bureaucrats surreptitiously worked to bring Switzerland into the war on the side of Germany (the first big scandal took place in 1916 when two high ranking colonels were discovered to be working for the central powers), as the Swiss French kept defending the neutrality of the country and, at the time that Voralberg made its petition, had been proven completely right in forcing the country to stay neutral instead of having joined the losing side in the war.
Good job! I've long wanted to learn about this "referendum". :D
Some years ago an SVP politician made a proposal to facilitate the access of some neighbouring areas into Switzerland, among these there was my native city of Como, in Italy.
If this happened, it would have made me a native Swiss instead of an Italian immigrant i guess. After all I was born only 5 km from the swiss border
i kinda wish they joined us, they are good people
it's kinda funny though that italy just leaned in was like "WE WANT TICINO BTW!"
Would've been interesting, but here we are now. Better to like each other on the opposite sides of the border than to hate each other inside the same country. haha
who wouldn't want Ticino? I can understand Italy very well
A Switzerland that has Vorarlberg but lost its Italian-speaking canton of Ticino would be interesting. Maybe add in Austria keeping the German-speaking South Tyrol into that mix and we'd have a nice rotation of border provinces, thus keeping everyone at least not unhappy about it all. Everyone but the French-speaking Swiss, that is! Prettier linguistic borders at the cost of very predictable increased internal conflict & instability within Switzerland? worth it? Worth it! :D
Am I the only one who's confused by the Italian demand for compensation? Did they want Voralberg?
At the time, Italy kept a policy of somewhat guaranteeing Austria's borders, since they saw it as now being in the Italian sphere of influence, so to say. Also, just a general argument of "maintaining the balance of power in the region", which completely goes out of the window when you consider that Italy took South Tyrol right next door at the same time this was happening
@@12D_D21 remember, less that 100 years ago from that time, italy was in austria's sphere of influence
Will you make a video about Sondrio and/or Haute-Savoie?
Lol I‘ve heard a different story in switzerland.
Alot of textile production has been outsourced to vorarlberg were labour was cheaper and they wanted it to keep it this way. Joining switzerland would have increased the salary/cost of vorarlberg production.
I live 10min walking distance to the vorarlberg border.
Economicly, culturaly and linguisticly they are still closer to the swiss then the rest of austria. Some austrians don‘t like to hear it but thats just how it is.
As an Austrian, I'd gladly give up Vorarlberg if I get South Tyrol in return. This would make me a very happy man.
@@jochen1393 as a Vorarlberger that breaks my heart. But it would make sense XD
Ahh so this is the hoi4 event lore
Yessir
Thank you for this video about a very interesting topic 👍🏼 I came to Bregenz in the early 80s and went to school there. Vorarlberg is somehow different than other parts of Austria and I like this 😉
You told me more than my school. And i am from here👌🏽 great video
I want a full video on Karl I. He’s such a mad lad in my opinion. He’s just a King, who tried his best, but damn was his best on a different level, for the time.
That can be arranged
@@SirManateee That's why I love your channel.
This ruler (Karl I)was completely detached from reality and tried to recreate an dead empire by force, which no one wanted (except the Viennese elite, still dreaming of an easy life and milking numerous subjects, disregarding the real aspirations of the nations forced to obey the Austrians). "You have to love Austria like a mother, because if not, the "mother's lover" (the Hungarian) will come and kick the butts of all disobedient subjects (If he couldn't make it, mom will call the big German brother - and he can kick really hard!). He was a pitiful character who didn't understand the spirit of the times. That's why he ended up in a pathetic way.
@@charlesgrant-skiba5474 it wasn't a dead empire, it was a murdered empire. the idea that the habsburg empire was a "prison of nations" is allied propaganda from the first world war. president wilsons philosophy of "self determination" was a strategy to weaken one of the members of the central powers
@@willkettle3959 Dear friend, There is not a single country (which was previously part of Austria-Hungary) that misses or wants to recreate it. The proof of this is not only in politics but also in literature. It is enough to read "The Good Soldier Švejk" by Jaroslav Hašek to understand the attitude of the Czechs, Moravians and others towards the Empire. Ukrainians have been looking for independence for a long time (in Galicia and Bukovina - see the work of Taras Shevchenko). Even the Hungarians also wanted to break away from the rule of Vienna (several uprisings against the Austrians) - despite the fact that their elites played an important role in the Empire! The Poles considered the part of former Poland that had been annexed by the Austrians to be the most dangerous for their culture and national identity. I do not even have to mention the Balkan states (there is a lot of literature showing the wickedness of the Austrians and Hungarians in the former Empire. The only exception may be Kraina, but more cultural than political). Even the former allies did not support the idea of recreating any "reformed" Empire, which contributed to the complete failure of the desperate attempt to take over the power and the Hungarian crown by Karl II. During World War I, tens of thousands of Austro-Hungarian soldiers, and perhaps more (mostly Slavs, but also Hungarians and Jews), deserted to the enemy side and joined the Russian army fighting against Austria (these were unprecedented events in history). Even Vorarlberg wanted to join Switzerland or Germany, similar tendencies were in Salzburg - for good reason. The Sudeten Germans missed Berlin much more than Vienna. Austria-Hungary had long been an inefficient, bureaucratic and corrupt state organism, which became clear at the time of crisis (echoes of this can be seen in the novel "The Trial" by Franz Kafka). Attempts to save the Empire (despite the dissatisfaction of his father, Emperor Franz Josef) were attempted by Archduke Ferdinand ( he was even ready to grant autonomy or independence to certain parts of the Empire, under certain conditions of course) but even if he had survived the assassination attempt in Sarajevo, he would not have maintained the antiquated monarchical-aristocratic structure. Yes, the Allies cleverly used all these resentments, but they did not have to make an effort. Almost all over the Empire, the fall of Austro-Hungary was solemnly celebrated and the building of independent states began. And these countries celebrate their independence to this day!
Greetings from Vorarlberg👋
May I ask if now in Vorarlberg there is any wish that they got into Switzerland or do they feel Austrian? I'm curious.
I was close to skip your Add but than I heared the Belgium pun xD These Chocolate-Crôutons
Vorarlberg = Kanton Übrig für die Schweizer :)
Lowkey wish we got in
A video about italy and ticino would be interesting
You know what, you're bloody right ;D
@@SirManateee well i‘m looking forward for the video :)
Reber in 1918 when the Socoal democarsts raised only the red parts of the Austrian flag at the opening of parlarment.
how do you get sponsors with 6k subs
I'm Alsatian buy my family name comes from Vorarlberg. Grüße aus dem Elsaß
Thanks so much!
Greetings from someone with a Silesian name in Lower Saxony ;D
Thanks for the video. Go on! 👍
Thanks :)
good video
Man the post ww1 days around this parts were crazy lmao
Would have been interesting if AH survived, espesically with left leaning kaisers for the time taking power
Interesting topic
I mean as a somebody from tyrol, i also hate vienna, but damn this guy brought this hate to a another level xD
with those prices we have I feel like I live in a swiss canton, come on man
So Vorarlberg became "Kanton Übrig" of the Swiss Federation.
13:26 The actual reason why Czechs drove Germans out of the Sudetenland.
bro your german pronounciation is perfect
Woran das nur liegen könnte ;)
@@SirManateee ach deswegen klingt dein English so spitz manchmal haha
ich habe auch etwas gebraucht bis ich gecheckt habe dass der dude deutscher ist.
Switzerland never supported Germany during the war…
idea for a future video: hyperinflation of the hungarian pengő after ww2. there are even pictures people sweeping money on the streets.
Huh, sounds fascinating, thank you! :D
What. How did you already gain a sponser :O I ain't even gotten one.
I honestly have no bloody clue
italy wanted compensation?? thats a really interesting fact i didnt know, thx.
Danke für dieses Video. Von dem Antisemitismus in Vorarlberg über "Wiener Juden" habe ich noch nie gehört. Wenn man heute in der Bevölkerung fragt, dann wollten die Vorarlberg damals den Anschluss an die Schweiz, wegen der kulturellen Nähe und ihrer direkten Demokratie.
Bis jetzt wusste ich nur, dass die Schweizer Bevölkerung uns wahrscheinlich wegen unserem katholischen Glauben nicht wollten, dabei spielen noch viele andere Gründe ausschlaggebend. Vielen Dank für dieses Video.
Der wirkliche Grund war nicht der Katholizismus, denn insgesamt gibt es in der Schweiz mehr Katholiken als Protestanten, sondern das empfindliche Gleichgewicht zwischen Welschschweizern und Deutschschweizern. Dieses Gleichgewicht wäre durch einen Anschluss der deutschsprachigen Vorarlberger empfindlich gestört worden. Und eben das fürchtete die Schweizer Politik.
Well done
so the tl;dr version is:
thank envious germany and thank envious italy for pressuring the swiss govt to not accept eastward expansion without endangering their relation to those two countries. In effect, both of them did Austria a favor during its time of weakness and vulnerability.
So err...thanks. AEIOU.
Born and raised in the Ländle
I am actually from Vorarlberg, from "Hard am Bodensee" to ne more accurate, we Always make Jokes about this Referendum, but to be honest, we actually See ourselves at an own bunch of People, Not Austrian, Not swizz, Not German, we are Just vorarlberger
dont tell lies. its Gsiberger wenn scho denn scho
@@LunarPenguin42 also wer gsiberger Set isch koan wahrer Vorarlberger des segen doch nur dia ganza Nacharlbergischen Ossis us Salzburg
Hach, s´Ländle, the only place in the whole german speaking world, where you can great your neighbour with a sharp "Hail!" while holding your right arm up.
I wouldn't see you as a Vorarlberger but as a Unterländer
good video, you gained a sub!
They should have compromised and allowed them to join Liechtenstein instead
I am a Vorarlberger and we see us more as Vorarlberger as Austrian.
I personally see myself as an Austrian, not Vorarlberger
Khöriga Vorarlberger isch in erschter linie o an Europäer. :)
@@Koellenburg so isches. seh i auch so, zersch vorarlberger, dann europäer.
@@Koellenburg nei, natürle ned
Will you still love and remmember me when you have a million subscribers manatee?😢😢
I will always love you
I live in Vorarlberg, it‘s so boring here 😂
wämr umme übrn rhi in westa luagan, semr froh dassas ned passiert isch, mer hons etz ned bös im ländle sealbr :)
abr schös ischs allmol dschwiz bsuacha go
Do stimmi dr zua. Mir hond do eh a paradies mit am Bodasee und da viele Berg und (relativ) gauta Infrastruktur, also do kama net jömera.
Was isch denn das für en Front? dsRhintl isch amel nid soo schlimm. :P
@@oof5020 des sichr ned na :)
und bede sitta profitieren guat vonanand
aber es stimmt o dass dvorarlberger sitta sich i da letzta johr zum wirtschaftlicha und gesellschaftlicha zentrum vom rhital und da umliganda täler entwicklt hot
wenn be da drei schwöstra odr am kasta doba stohsch siasch guat da untrschied
i vrmuat des hot damit zum tua well döstliche schwiz sich ehnr um st galla orientiert
wenn sländle an kanton worra wär, hät guat fealdkirch und dorabirra sglich schicksal wia chur und sargans erleaba künna, und da walgau wär an arms tal blibba wo halt da zug ga österrich durchfahrt
Da Nummer eis Alpe Bruh momänt
Gesundheit
@@SirManateee Danke gliichfalls
Mountainpass Arlberg be like: Lmao
Kanton Übrig 4ever!
7:22 I‘m offended.
Calling swiss german as "Incomprehensible gibberish" is actually quite fair. If you speak german but don't come from swabia, you will have a hard time understanding anything
Dialects are the origin of the german language. The german from valais is more related to old german and dutch than to the standard german language
Vorarlberg stay at Austria for ever. Its a part of our country. 🇦🇹🇦🇹🇦🇹
only if Vienna respects our Rights. Some viennese whant to abolish the bundesländer.. if that d happen, we would have no option but to leave. :(
@@Koellenburg you are something I call a "Vaterlandsverräter" Leck dich und deine dumme Schweiz du Asi.
@@Koellenburg we just want Vorarlberg a little bit...closer😏🌝
Where is the linguistics map from?
nice video
Good video but wrong about the general strike in Switzerland. The military presence was not because of the strike, the strike was because of the military presence. The central government agreed to lower the milk prices but a trigger happy Swiss German military officer, who could not believe the defeat of Germany and was convinced the left action committee "Aktionskomitee Olten" was planning a socialist revolution in conjunction with the "jews" in Moskau, forced the action committee to disband. The action committee up until this moment had no intention for a general strike but now sought help from the other worker committee's/parties. Especially the ones in the French speaking part had no interests in striking because they were quite happy withe the French victory and lower milk prices. Visiting from the disbanded action committee, the German speaking spokesman was booed by his French comrades for wanting to strike just because his committee was forced to disband at this moment the trigger happy military officer surrounded the lokal train station,(I think it was in Lausanne) giving the Swiss French speaking workers the impression they would be arrested and their democratic rights taken away, forcing them to agree with the Swiss-German that action was needed. In the end the strike was called of by its leaders after a few days because they were convinced a continuation of it would lead to violence and violence to revolutionary sentiment and even the leader of the Swiss workers party had no intention for a revolution.
My point being, the calming of the situation had much less to do with increased military presence but much more with the general unwillingness for revolution and too much change throughout the whole population.
I seriously can't thank you enough for your detailed explanation! Do you by chance have any books on that topic that you could recommend? It sounds like a fascinating topic that I seem to have unrightfully glossed over so far ;)
@@SirManateee I'll have to look in to it but most if not all of the stuff I have is in German.
Back to the strike I mean of course if the military was not deployed in mass as soon as the strike began I imagine it would have continued but what I find interesting is that just the threat of violence erupting was enough for the leader of the worker movement to cancel just after three days, in an Europe with extremely high acceptance and willingness for violence. The same can be said for the government in later stages but not the Swiss military. The information they gave the federal council were completely based on the stuff this one officer was reporting and they managed to convince the federal council that revolution was imminent leading to the disbandment of the action committee and the troop presence in Lausanne. Even though the government won a complete victory, without giving in to any of the demands, violence basically never broke out and everybody going back to work, in the weeks and the months to follow the highest wage increases to this day occurred throughout Switzerland and in nearly every industry and for most individuals. The government clearly communicated to the people that it was a government of consensus and not confrontation, continuing a very long tradition and shaping Swiss politics to this very day. Unfortunately it's barely known today in Switzerland and most likely just because it was handled so well by both sides.( I mean of course besides the antisemitic officer who basically started the whole thing lol)
First cheering for the Kaiser and later wanting to join Switzerland is no contradiction, since the Kaiser himself was living in Switzerland now.
What? Are you mixing up Switzerland and Netherlands? You know, one of them is very flat and still a monarchy? The other has lots of mountains, has the kicking out of foreign kings as founding principle, and is the place where Empress Sissi was killed?
Swiss Anschluss
I’m Swiss and I learnt at lot of things. Glad we didn’t merge.
Vorarlberg is part of Switzerland
*An introduction to how a region of Austria felt very Swiss and voted to join them in a referendum.*
Me: Ah, how nice. This sounds like a very wholesome bunch of people who-
*Anti-semitism*
Me: Why the fuck am I not surprised this happened in Austria?
Austrian voted to join germany. What happend🤔
lustenau LA underground my hood
Hallo ich bin's jan
Vorarlberg has very little in common with Switzerland. Only the dialeg is somewhat the same. Today, Vorarlberg is one of the most densely populated federal states, with many people from Turkey and the Middle East living there. And the Swiss come to Vorarlberg every day to shop and fill up their cars.
Densely populated?
@@elischarutzler6757 Yes, with 154 inhabitants per square kilometer of land area, Vorarlberg is the second most densely populated federal state in Austria after Vienna
@@user-ue9pl7sc2x dense is also a slang word for stupid...
Bregenz nr1
Do you by any chance have a link to the map at 9:07 ?
Habediere zeawas us Vorarlberg
Why was everybody hating on Jews .
#seated
Hallo
Moin
I think a good video idea could be the era of "Austrofascism" and the Anschluss, and the theory "austrians wanted the anchluss" as an half austrian i can say this was not true, a good book to read is "alone against hitler"
That's a great idea that I should look into! And obviously, stating that Austrians wanted the Anschluss is a massive overgeneralisation, but there were very influencial groups on both sides of the border that wanted to unify the two countries. Still, the idea became less and less attractive as the interwar years went on
@@SirManateee Yes, thanks, and merry christmas to you! 🙂
More land almost taken from the Habsburg Realm
A.E.I.O.U forever
schnitzel nationalism, huh?
Great video but the anti-Semitic conspiracy theories were all actually true though
nope. the only thing true is that they had a disproportionate influence compared to their percentage of the total population. that alone isnt enough to pretend like they caused everything and everybody else din doo nothing.
This was one of the worst history vids I ever saw. Congrats! Cheers from Suiza
oh no
You hear about this shit all over the world.
California, Scotland, and Vorarlberg.
People in Vorarlberg still talk about this shit.
They kinda think they would be the next Liechtensten
What ever...🦤
Austria is lucky to exist at all. We’ve already lost a lot of land
Based
Good video. Please STOP THESE STUPID CARTOONS
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