the evidence you presented in the 2nd half was super fun lol you definitely need more things to investigate on the regular. nothing will be hidden from marines the super sleuth!
Her bio honestly just explains so well why the parts of the book that were just raw gut punches to my personal emotional stability happened cause the only thing that I knew about the author from reading the book is that she grew up chubby in purity culture.
I'm over here trying to do analysis on the names lol. They got the same number of letters, both first names start with R, Rowell starts with ROW, Morrow ends with ROW...
I hadn't even heard of Corinne before watching this but I had so much fun hearing about your sleuthing! It all makes so much sense, and I will definitely be punching the air on your behalf if your theory is ever confirmed 😆
This is like. "Guess the book from the first line" but "Guess the author from the writing habit" and I adore that haha 💕 Also this sounds like Collen Hoover version 2.0. Rainleen Bowver.
I reread Fangirl in April and kept thinking "Why is Levi (the love interest) described in such an unappealing, weird way?" and "Why are the romantic scenes so cringy?" 😂
you have convinced me of your guess (even though i dont plan to ever read corinne) and having read a few of rainbow rowell's books it makes total sense that this was a failed attempt at romance 💀💀
i caught wind of the theory that this book was written by stephanie meyer when it came out and had dismissed it because it didn't seem like her, but this video got me 1000% re-invested thank you for your service
ahhh, I am so not interested in this book, but after the livestream and the vlogs, I was interested in the mystery of it. I feel like you cracked it wide open!! I feel like you deserve to be the hero of a cozy literary mystery book series :D
I love that your impetus for probing into the identify of the author was that you needed some context for this book to make sense. That's so Marines ♥ I think you may have missed your calling as an investigative journalist!
I'm especially impressed and convinced by your Goodreads editor evidence!! 🔎 I did not know about any of this until I started seeing video thumbnails popping up; I'm relieved that it is almost certainly not written by Shannon Hale like I saw was a possibility, because I really like her 😂 ALSO if I hadn't already ditched the Rainbow Rowell train I feel like her Twilight fangirling would have done it 😬 me and my siblings always had milk with dinner growing up and we didn't know it was unusual either? but I definitely think it makes more sense for kids/teens! calcium is important lol
Well done to you and your Discord detectives!! This was a fun mystery to watch unfold. Although I might think differently if I actually had to read the book, which thankfully, you all did for us
Okay, after watching the livestream literally twice and after watching 23:55 minutes of this video, at this point is confirmation that Rainbow Rowell wrote this book and now knowing this makes me want to rewatch that livestream again for the 3rd time in a row because that was one of the most funniest things I've ever seen in my entire life and good to know that this book isn't pout pout fish fanfiction 😂 (But I'm still confused why Rainbow Rowell decided to publish this anonymous? Like, I dunno, she already wrote a gay trilogy, it's not like her normal audience I feel like is gonna attack her??? Because it's not like she's a conservative author with a fanbase that's also conservative where she would've needed to do that. Like I think you're 100% correct that it was done for *publicity* than anything else!)
I love how this turned into a full on investigation and how knowing it’s potentially Rowell makes me even less likely to want to pick up Corinne and read it but i feel like that’s not what Rowell’s going for lmao
I went into this video thinking there was no way you would convince me you figured out the author and you definitely convinced me the author is Rainbow Rowell.
Ngl as you were describing the weird stuff in Corrine it did sound like Rainbow Rowell to me. To be fair I’ve only read one of her books but the things you said are SO specific to weird stuff in Eleanor and Park. There’s no way it’s Meyer. Her writing is so confusing to follow and Rowell’s is much simpler like Corrine seems to be.
This book definitely takes place in the casserole belt of the US and is full of nostalgic casseroles. As an atheist who escaped a Christian FE cult herself, grew up in Missouri, and still struggles with sexist thoughts against my own sex, this book was triggering and haunting in ways I don't think it intended to be.
Merry-belated Xmas. This is such a pretty tree! 😍 Edit: LMAO at "imprinting" being a SM concept/tragedy/crime against humanity. bec. yes that pairing made me shout: "absolutely not"
I read Rainbow Roswell’s Carry On and gotta say… I am SHOCKED she had a professional editor review that pile. Suffice to say I did not continue with the series and am glad I got off my completionist grind years ago. Anyone who admires Stephanie Meyer isn’t someone I want to support.
I said this on Rachel's video, but omg. I thought it was literary fiction. I expected the sex to be as bad as it was, so I overlooked it and really enjoyed it. If I read this and I was expecting a romance novel, I would have roasted it with chestnuts on an open fire, ho ho ho. But I think the author is Laurie Halse Anderson.
YESS SHES BACK! My day is literally so much better when Marines uploads haha. I saw in your top books video that you enjoyed Pet by Akwaeke Emezi. There is a sequel call Bitter that is just as better as the first. I think you would enjoy it. Have a good day!
I had to look up if there was any connection between Jodi Picoult and Rainbow Rowel and the first thing I saw was that she blurbed Attachments. Not sure they’re buddies but they seem to at least rub elbows perhaps?
And I found a page from her website where she shouts out Eleanor and Park. I’m sure she blurbs books from debut authors but there’s definitely a connection between her and Rowell
ngl when i first heard the title of this book i thought it had to do with flowers in the attic and was SCARED (btw TW for literally everything if you want to look it up)
My theory is that when Read with Rachel sleeps she enters a fugue state as Rebecca Marrow as a form of dream therapy (or nightmare scenario?). Rachel is also taking out her frustrations from life by tormenting the world with the least sexy sex scenes and terrible descriptions for a dude love interest.
I’ve read Attachments and that comment about how unattractive the descriptions of the people and the steam in Corinne was…yeah. That sounds like Rainbow Rowell to me.
Makes sense, miss detective 🕵♀️. Now for the important questions...are you more into ascots or knee socks? 😉 I didn't realize Meyers and Rowell are BFF's-although they both write very poorly so it does make sense. Especially, her thinking the Edward/Bella romance was romantic. I mean there was better romantic tension and build up between Bella and Alice. An author's writing style doesn't lie. 🤷♀️ Also, Romeo and Juliette not really a Romance. 😏 Yeah, I get it. It has some flowery poems, but they BOTH die as teens. 🤨 Yeah, super romantic. 🤦♀️ Not going to read it. Rowell got me once with Attachments...yeah, not going to re-enter that little corner of he*l again, thanks. 😂
But I will say your review is spot on. In the way of “did you crawl in my head?” The repetitiveness was so bothersome. And the descriptions of his body also didn’t allow for a visual in one’s mind. It doesn’t make sense. The worst part in the end for me? Book jacket quotes from Picoult and Irby make me angry. It’s like they (or their people) read another book and the publishers used them for this book as they don’t make sense. “Ripped my heart out”? Why? Because it was so bad ultimately that it killed your love of reading?
@@mynameismarines As someone who grew up fairly fundie, I’m just curious about the way things are represented in the book and how it aligns with things I grew up believing.
the argument that is more than one person kinda falls flat when you consider the references/informations are not top secret and, even if they grew up in fundamentalist environment, one could make research to mix stuff up and make they own thing also considering rainbow rowell loves references......
6:24 i honestly think trying to pit this as a romance 'just because' it's sort of funnier to have a bad fundie romance than a generic literary relationship drama about weird religious upbringing is... a bit silly. But if that's a marketing decision, it's uncomfortable on an entirely new level that is also a repeating pattern with how female authors writing about weird relationships get boxed in romance/erotica anyway.
This video only made me curious about the ending, haha! I'll probably read a synopsis, though. To deal with my religious trauma, I prefer Freydís Moon's erotica lmao
Lmaoo what, the male love interest is described as having beady eyes, puffy lips and a square body?? Sounds like something a non-native speaker would do. I would know, it's the kind of stuff I might have written a couple years ago when my English wasn't at its best
Congratulations on cracking the case wide open. On one hand, I'm sad that it's not Brandon Sanderson. On the other, I still think is AI. Because "in the style of X and Y writer" is an actual promp. Of course your evidence is way better than mine
As someone who grew up in a fundamentalist religion and no longer belongs to that religion, I feel like the concept of this book could have been so interesting but, based on your review, it seems like there were so many missed opportunities and that just sucks.
To me it’s a book about trauma from the victims indoctrinated POV. I would love Enoch’s POV.. 2 halves of the same trauma 😂 I wish they challenged each other’s philosophies more than the slowly okaying “permission” to be in the others life. It ended up just them making justifying loopholes to get it on. It’s a masterpiece of emotional manipulation- especially with the family. The religious Get Out
Hearing how... Questonable Corine's romance was, makes me no lonher want to read anything gay written by Rowell, for my own sanity. Why cant cis, straight women stop writing gay men? I just want one story where I dont have to wonder if the author will write something weurd, uncomfortable, borderline phobic, or downright fetishistic. I'm just a simple gay, I wanna see two cute guys kissing & kicking ass, & yet finding anything of the sort is like a minefield these days 😩
Ummm, a book review AND a mystery to investigate?! Thank you 🥹 Edited to add: Okay, I’m going to need more bestselling authors to publish books under secret pseudonyms. It was so fun to listen to you walk us through all the evidence.
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I love men with beady eyes because the number one trait I look for in a male partner is "rat like"
Beady is the #1 word I want used around sex for sure.
A large rectangle with full lips and beady eyes, could she be describing Adam Driver?
You know who’s frequently got beady eyes? Serial killers. You know, prime partner material.
@@mynameismarines EL James is taking notes
@@katlady117 😂 Stop! Omg! I needed a good laugh.
the evidence you presented in the 2nd half was super fun lol you definitely need more things to investigate on the regular. nothing will be hidden from marines the super sleuth!
I know I’m like hit me with another mystery 😂
Women are so powerful, your research process to find out who the author is was absolutely incredible
I really felt like I got to the bottom of it 😂
Her bio honestly just explains so well why the parts of the book that were just raw gut punches to my personal emotional stability happened cause the only thing that I knew about the author from reading the book is that she grew up chubby in purity culture.
For the splitest of seconds I thought we were in December not April because of the decorations in the background 💀😂
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Watching this in December to strengthen the illusion.
I'm over here trying to do analysis on the names lol. They got the same number of letters, both first names start with R, Rowell starts with ROW, Morrow ends with ROW...
Yes, the similarity in the names feels PURPOSEFUL.
I hadn't even heard of Corinne before watching this but I had so much fun hearing about your sleuthing! It all makes so much sense, and I will definitely be punching the air on your behalf if your theory is ever confirmed 😆
Thank you! I honestly would be so sad if it turned out to be wrong 😂
This is like. "Guess the book from the first line" but "Guess the author from the writing habit" and I adore that haha 💕
Also this sounds like Collen Hoover version 2.0. Rainleen Bowver.
Yep, Hoover’s name came up during our live because when we were talking about the icky sex scenes, we were like hmmmm who else gives us the ick 🧐
i love your traditional spring seasonal tree in the background
Thank you! Tis the season 🎄
I reread Fangirl in April and kept thinking "Why is Levi (the love interest) described in such an unappealing, weird way?" and "Why are the romantic scenes so cringy?" 😂
Sounds like Rainbow has a VERY different definition of "sexy" than everyone else 😂
Well, you've convinced me! It makes a lot of sense that it would be her.
you have convinced me of your guess (even though i dont plan to ever read corinne) and having read a few of rainbow rowell's books it makes total sense that this was a failed attempt at romance 💀💀
Yeaaah… I read a bunch of her books early in my BookTube days, and I liked them well then, but they don’t live well or strongly in my memory.
i caught wind of the theory that this book was written by stephanie meyer when it came out and had dismissed it because it didn't seem like her, but this video got me 1000% re-invested thank you for your service
Reads with Rachel keeps mentioning you in her vids (all good no worries) so I thought I'd check you out and you have such good vibes!
The research, the details, your laugh even tho this book clearly was disturbing to you 😂 *chef’s kiss*
These discussions have been DELICIOUS . The book totally mid the sleuthing and discourse 5 stars
It will certainly be a memorable reading experience despite being such a mid book 😩😂
ahhh, I am so not interested in this book, but after the livestream and the vlogs, I was interested in the mystery of it. I feel like you cracked it wide open!! I feel like you deserve to be the hero of a cozy literary mystery book series :D
Put me in coach, I’m ready to solve bookish mysteries.
As you were describing the book I was like “imagine if it was ******* ****** lol” and then you said exactly that I’m-
I love that your impetus for probing into the identify of the author was that you needed some context for this book to make sense. That's so Marines ♥ I think you may have missed your calling as an investigative journalist!
I'm so impressed by your and the members of your discord dedication bec. all your findings and deduction make sense!
I'm especially impressed and convinced by your Goodreads editor evidence!! 🔎
I did not know about any of this until I started seeing video thumbnails popping up; I'm relieved that it is almost certainly not written by Shannon Hale like I saw was a possibility, because I really like her 😂
ALSO if I hadn't already ditched the Rainbow Rowell train I feel like her Twilight fangirling would have done it 😬
me and my siblings always had milk with dinner growing up and we didn't know it was unusual either? but I definitely think it makes more sense for kids/teens! calcium is important lol
milk for kids? totally fine. writing a 32 year old man asking for milk with dinner? a choice 😭😂
I had no clue about this book before all you ladies started sleuthing and my GOD I am so invested! I NEED to know!
Well done to you and your Discord detectives!! This was a fun mystery to watch unfold. Although I might think differently if I actually had to read the book, which thankfully, you all did for us
the more this book sits in my mind, the more distressed I am about it 😅
You and me both. That’s why I had to keep talking about it! 🥴
You have me convinced! You're the best booktube detective🕵🏽♀
The sleuthing was top tier 😍🙌
I loved this video. I wish I’d dedicate myself to anything half as much as you dedicated yourself to this investigation
Ahhh I'm so excited for thissss!I watched the livestream with Bookslikewoah and was hooked
yes Marines is a great youtuber
I hope it isn't too weird but I love your laugh so much, it makes me so happy
that evidence is EVIDENCE i loved the journey you just took me on ! lmao, had such a good time
For the sheer ridiculousness of it, I wanted the answer to be Brandon Sanderson.
Okay, after watching the livestream literally twice and after watching 23:55 minutes of this video, at this point is confirmation that Rainbow Rowell wrote this book and now knowing this makes me want to rewatch that livestream again for the 3rd time in a row because that was one of the most funniest things I've ever seen in my entire life and good to know that this book isn't pout pout fish fanfiction 😂
(But I'm still confused why Rainbow Rowell decided to publish this anonymous? Like, I dunno, she already wrote a gay trilogy, it's not like her normal audience I feel like is gonna attack her??? Because it's not like she's a conservative author with a fanbase that's also conservative where she would've needed to do that. Like I think you're 100% correct that it was done for *publicity* than anything else!)
"with the serial numbers filed off" 😂😂😂😂
I love how this turned into a full on investigation and how knowing it’s potentially Rowell makes me even less likely to want to pick up Corinne and read it but i feel like that’s not what Rowell’s going for lmao
I went into this video thinking there was no way you would convince me you figured out the author and you definitely convinced me the author is Rainbow Rowell.
Ngl as you were describing the weird stuff in Corrine it did sound like Rainbow Rowell to me. To be fair I’ve only read one of her books but the things you said are SO specific to weird stuff in Eleanor and Park.
There’s no way it’s Meyer. Her writing is so confusing to follow and Rowell’s is much simpler like Corrine seems to be.
This book definitely takes place in the casserole belt of the US and is full of nostalgic casseroles. As an atheist who escaped a Christian FE cult herself, grew up in Missouri, and still struggles with sexist thoughts against my own sex, this book was triggering and haunting in ways I don't think it intended to be.
Mari the background threw me off SO BAD, it's too early in the morning and I legit was like oh shit it's christmas --__--
It’s always Christmas 🎄
this was WILD omgg you are a genius 😭😭
Merry-belated Xmas. This is such a pretty tree!
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Edit: LMAO at "imprinting" being a SM concept/tragedy/crime against humanity. bec. yes that pairing made me shout: "absolutely not"
This is my Roman Empire. I am watching your video for the nth time. Thank you so much Marines
"That multiple people did this on purpose" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I read Rainbow Roswell’s Carry On and gotta say… I am SHOCKED she had a professional editor review that pile. Suffice to say I did not continue with the series and am glad I got off my completionist grind years ago. Anyone who admires Stephanie Meyer isn’t someone I want to support.
My god I loved the mystery portion - truely I wish we could scooby-doo more often in this community lmao
I said this on Rachel's video, but omg. I thought it was literary fiction. I expected the sex to be as bad as it was, so I overlooked it and really enjoyed it. If I read this and I was expecting a romance novel, I would have roasted it with chestnuts on an open fire, ho ho ho.
But I think the author is Laurie Halse Anderson.
YESS SHES BACK! My day is literally so much better when Marines uploads haha. I saw in your top books video that you enjoyed Pet by Akwaeke Emezi. There is a sequel call Bitter that is just as better as the first. I think you would enjoy it. Have a good day!
Thank you for the detective work. Definitely an interesting theory. ❤
I had to look up if there was any connection between Jodi Picoult and Rainbow Rowel and the first thing I saw was that she blurbed Attachments. Not sure they’re buddies but they seem to at least rub elbows perhaps?
And I found a page from her website where she shouts out Eleanor and Park. I’m sure she blurbs books from debut authors but there’s definitely a connection between her and Rowell
i giggled through this thank you
ngl when i first heard the title of this book i thought it had to do with flowers in the attic and was SCARED (btw TW for literally everything if you want to look it up)
Wow! Just wow! I really enjoyed this. Thanks!
When she brings up impact > intent ~
[insert lip bite emoji here]
so excited to jump into this!
I've only heard of this book because I saw a discussion video pop up on my recommended
Praising SMeyer's romance writing is certainly a choice! 🥴
I was stunned. Here I was thinking no one would want their writing compared to Meyer…
You were quite the sherlock holmes with this ksksk
Before the name drop i was thinking colleen hoover 😮 16:18
😂😂😂 I love how you totally went CSI on this!
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Ok, but Fangirl uses the weirdest and also most grossish descriptions for the main love interest so it was really weird when they stayed dating.
Apparently that’s just Rainbow doing Rainbow things.
Channel name needs an update to: My Name is Marines.... Marines Marple 🔍
Can I ask: What did you think about Eleanor & Park way back when you read? Do you remember?
Not much! I do remember reading it quickly, liking it fine, and forgetting it quickly lol.
Damn Mari this is some forensic linguistics shit and I love it
i love your laugh so much haha and your videos, ofc!
you're so right, stephanie meyers' "imprinting" is a crime against humanity
Tell us you're a Virgo without telling us you're a Virgo lol also I may have missed it but what's with the Christmas decor?
Honestly, I felt very Virgo.
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you are so iconic for this oh my GOD 😂
This is fascinating and so entertaining! Who knew Rainbow had a cringy fundamentalist romance in her 😂
I wish I didn’t know tbh 😂
My theory is that when Read with Rachel sleeps she enters a fugue state as Rebecca Marrow as a form of dream therapy (or nightmare scenario?). Rachel is also taking out her frustrations from life by tormenting the world with the least sexy sex scenes and terrible descriptions for a dude love interest.
Is it Meyers ? It’s Meyers right?
I’ve read Attachments and that comment about how unattractive the descriptions of the people and the steam in Corinne was…yeah. That sounds like Rainbow Rowell to me.
I read Attachments years ago and remember so little about it except HE READS HER EMAILS?
Makes sense, miss detective 🕵♀️. Now for the important questions...are you more into ascots or knee socks? 😉 I didn't realize Meyers and Rowell are BFF's-although they both write very poorly so it does make sense. Especially, her thinking the Edward/Bella romance was romantic. I mean there was better romantic tension and build up between Bella and Alice. An author's writing style doesn't lie. 🤷♀️ Also, Romeo and Juliette not really a Romance. 😏 Yeah, I get it. It has some flowery poems, but they BOTH die as teens. 🤨 Yeah, super romantic. 🤦♀️ Not going to read it. Rowell got me once with Attachments...yeah, not going to re-enter that little corner of he*l again, thanks. 😂
But I will say your review is spot on. In the way of “did you crawl in my head?” The repetitiveness was so bothersome. And the descriptions of his body also didn’t allow for a visual in one’s mind. It doesn’t make sense.
The worst part in the end for me? Book jacket quotes from Picoult and Irby make me angry. It’s like they (or their people) read another book and the publishers used them for this book as they don’t make sense. “Ripped my heart out”? Why? Because it was so bad ultimately that it killed your love of reading?
Um is there a Christmas thing in April?
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Thanks for watching!
Excellent sleuthing!!
Very interesting! Well done!
I shouldn’t want to, but now I kinda wanna read this… Just because I’m curious.
Just like I don’t want anyone else to read this, but also I want people to read it to tell me what they think 😂
@@mynameismarines As someone who grew up fairly fundie, I’m just curious about the way things are represented in the book and how it aligns with things I grew up believing.
Thumbnail is really cute.
the argument that is more than one person kinda falls flat when you consider the references/informations are not top secret and, even if they grew up in fundamentalist environment, one could make research to mix stuff up and make they own thing
also considering rainbow rowell loves references......
6:24 i honestly think trying to pit this as a romance 'just because' it's sort of funnier to have a bad fundie romance than a generic literary relationship drama about weird religious upbringing is... a bit silly. But if that's a marketing decision, it's uncomfortable on an entirely new level that is also a repeating pattern with how female authors writing about weird relationships get boxed in romance/erotica anyway.
This video only made me curious about the ending, haha! I'll probably read a synopsis, though.
To deal with my religious trauma, I prefer Freydís Moon's erotica lmao
Lmaoo what, the male love interest is described as having beady eyes, puffy lips and a square body?? Sounds like something a non-native speaker would do. I would know, it's the kind of stuff I might have written a couple years ago when my English wasn't at its best
It’s so weird. The MC kept saying she was attracted to this man and the whole time I was like ARE YOU?
Congratulations on cracking the case wide open. On one hand, I'm sad that it's not Brandon Sanderson. On the other, I still think is AI. Because "in the style of X and Y writer" is an actual promp. Of course your evidence is way better than mine
Genius!
I tried!
It’s really bad when the unfolding of who actually wrote the book is tons better than the actual prose. It’s a hot mess
As someone who grew up in a fundamentalist religion and no longer belongs to that religion, I feel like the concept of this book could have been so interesting but, based on your review, it seems like there were so many missed opportunities and that just sucks.
To me it’s a book about trauma from the victims indoctrinated POV. I would love Enoch’s POV.. 2 halves of the same trauma 😂 I wish they challenged each other’s philosophies more than the slowly okaying “permission” to be in the others life. It ended up just them making justifying loopholes to get it on. It’s a masterpiece of emotional manipulation- especially with the family. The religious Get Out
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Great video 😊
Thanks for watching! ❤️
Haven't finished yet, but this sounds a lot like Colleen Hover to me
It had a lot of her vibe as well. I can’t figure why Colleen would hide though. She already writes stuff like this out in the open…
@@mynameismarines now that I finished, y'alls theory is clearly superior. It's Rainbow Rowell lol
wait twilight is a mormon propaganda??
Hearing how... Questonable Corine's romance was, makes me no lonher want to read anything gay written by Rowell, for my own sanity. Why cant cis, straight women stop writing gay men? I just want one story where I dont have to wonder if the author will write something weurd, uncomfortable, borderline phobic, or downright fetishistic. I'm just a simple gay, I wanna see two cute guys kissing & kicking ass, & yet finding anything of the sort is like a minefield these days 😩
so... mormons... writing mormon stuff.
In nutshell 😬😬
@@mynameismarines You are my hero, I don't have the patience to face these writings... I can only do so through your acid and sincere humor ✨
Ummm, a book review AND a mystery to investigate?! Thank you 🥹
Edited to add: Okay, I’m going to need more bestselling authors to publish books under secret pseudonyms. It was so fun to listen to you walk us through all the evidence.