Fuuuck I have a soft spot for distorted vocals. Been using them into my trusty Boss Metalcore into the Zoom MS50G, with the overdrive pedals on there to make it less scooped. Will try them more live with some noise gate stuff!
Oh, heck, yeah Turtleneck. Me, too. I want to do more on distorted vocals in 2019. Thanks for reminding me! That sounds like quite the chain you've got there!
i love the vintage peavey logo! to each their own, i suppose. this is a great video. i love my little peavey audition 30, it sounds great for recording because i can crank it and get cool tones. it has its own mojo. i never even thought of doing this! i’m excited to try it and mess with the saturation and EQ. Is This It? is one of my favorite albums and i somehow never knew this lmao thank you for sharing! and for recording effected vocals, i often plug a 58 with a 1/4 to XLR through my pedalboard directly into one of the tracks on my 414 and it works great, because then i can add distortion, delay, reverb or any other effects that i choose to put in the chain. it’s definitely not traditionally recommended, but i just like to experiment with everything i have, even if it doesn’t always turn out. i feel that singing through the effects makes me sing differently and sometimes, that’s what i want
Awesome channel, man. I first got a 424 in the early 90's. My first time ever trying multi track recording. I was so broke, couldn't afford a mixer so I went to radio shack and looked at all of their adaptors. I bought two of those 2x1/4 one's and stacked them onto my drum channel input so I could plug in 3 mics at once. It was crazy the sound I got just by placing the 3 mics around the drums and going for it. Pro tip ! haha
Oh, really? That's cool! I didn't know that. I'll see if I can hunt a modern one down at some point and check it out. I guess any amp that distorts or overdrives with a phones jack will do the trick. Thanks, Wesley!
Thanks Mike, I really liked distorted vocals on Fall Forever, and its nice to know how that sound was achieved. also I have couple questions: 1. Will 424 tascam be used during recording of your album? 2. Will Fall Forever be on the album? will Makin that Cheddar be on the album? :) 3. Can you add effect pedal(like Fuzz) to the vocal signal? would it be too distorted?
Jarek Rzdbk thanks, Jarek! Thanks for checking out FF. 1. I’m at a point with the recording where I just want to get it done so I might stick with Logic this time around. 2. FF for sure, MTC was released as a single under my rapper alias, Myke Drop. 3. You can do anything you want! Fuzz would be cool. I never think anything can be too distorted... depends on your preference and taste 🎃
I recorded the vocals to a lot of my songs by a similar method. I have one of those solid state Peavey guitar amps and they're badass. Only exception I mic'd the amp with my vocals coming through and it still sounded good. Do you recommend that method? It worked for me.
Cool track, Daniel. Yeah that works great to record the speaker. I use the Headphone out out of convenience. I can't make too much noise in my apartment. That's cool, too, as you're probably getting some air off the speaker. I'd say whatever gets that sound you want, is a good way to do it. Thanks for watching!
424 Recording good to know. I've looked all over you tube for good recording videos and I find yours to be most helpful because you understand the lofi aesthetic. Appreciate the feedback.
SM58 mic has a neodymium element. It will accentuate your low end a bit more than a standard 58. Also, better off access rejection. Side note: all true hypercardioid mics have a neodymium element.
Do you mean the Beta58 = neodymium? I always dug the 58 on my vocals and the Beta feels like the next natural extension. Highly recommended to anyone who likes 58s for their vocals
Yes I meant Beta58. My oops. The secret sign for a neodymium element is the blue ring around the mic. All the Shure Beta mics have it, and they all have neodymium elements. A bunch of other manufacturers have also adopted the blue ring, some are using it nefariously, so always read the specs before purchasing. Shure mics=sure thing!!!.
the question is how to re create it live without feedback? been looking for the answer for years, used all the pedals on the market still feedback in practice rooms and stage
Im trying to use this technique to record some heavily distorted vocals, but im having trouble getting feedback and a noisy hum when im not singing, any tips?
Are you using headphones? You could also try noise gating the signal. Or lower the volume going to the recording interface, and raise it in post. I imagine there will be a hum given the nature of the sound but I was able to do it without feedback with headphones. Just don't take the headphones off without lowering the volume first!
Yup. No need to mic the amp. It's like using a guitar direct in vs miking a guitar amp. You could mic the amp if you wanted to get some room sound and the speaker pushing some air but there's really no need to do. Just add some reverb in post if you want that sound.
hey mike, so im looking at a 424 for sale on ebay "for parts". hes selling it for parts for a couple reasons, one he doesnt have the power supply and then ill quote what else he said- "It was powering up fine and played, probably 3 years ago, the last time I used it. However I do remember having an issue with some muddy recordings the last time I used it, but no one fixed them anymore, so I bought a digital recorder. It could be something as simple as the heads need to be demagnetized and cleaned, or it could be something more" cosmetically its in great condition. its going for 60 bucks. so do you think its worth taking the risk with no returns? could this "muddy sound" be something irreparable? what would you do?
bill jim tough to say. I think the big no on this one is the lack of power supply. They are hard to come by. A lot of factors re: muddy recordings. Could be the heads, tape, user error etc. I would pass but it’s up to you
though theres a lot of these universal replacement chargers for the 424's on ebay. have you seen these? www.ebay.com/itm/AC-Adapter-For-TASCAM-PORTASTUDIO-424-MULTITRACK-RECORDER-Power-Supply-Charger/371607549762?epid=4006269369&hash=item5685893742:g:uDYAAOSw44BYhrqm
The cheesy logo is part of the charm! To go with some Oakley Blades! If you don't play this amp with the original logo on it and Oakley Blades at the same time... Idk what to say! It's only for those with hairy chests! 😂
My pleasure, Kevin! I'm sure you could. Been meaning to make a video on getting this distorted vocal sound live. You have to be careful about feedback and how you monitor the distorted vocals but I think it's possible...
You can just use that tube pre and overdrive the front end into tube distortion. Just keep the output below unity gain. The opl can keep it tame or you can go crazy distorted. I use it all the time.
It sucks to live in Brazil. One of these amps goes from 1k Brazilian Reals to 4k brazilian reals (US$1 ~ R$3,80 - R$4,50). Everything is too damn pricey here :(
Whatttt?! They can't give them away up here in NY. You could probably order one from the states? Or you might be able to use a stock DAW plugin for a similar effect
@@424Recording yeah man, it really sucks. Everything here is waaay too expensive. If I'm to buy it, I'd probably order from EUA, even though we pay an importing tax aswell. Yeah, 3rd world countries's problem.
Haha, I can't stand the logo as well. Being a designer myself I seriously think that Peavy did rather bad as a brand because of their logo and overall appearance.
ive used dist. or od on vocals ever since well..4ever...if you wanna hear just check out my chan.oh and keep up the recording vids just dont tell everyone all the secrets its getting a bit crowded.your stuff is good.maybe lets colab some day.
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That rug really ties the room together man
The old man told me to take any rug in the house
Oh man,dont do that. Not on the rug, man.
but thats just, like, ur opinion man
Donnie, please.
Is this your homework, Larry?
this is the funniest tutorial i've ever scene
liam collins thanks, Liam! Appreciate that haha
Just record in a vinyl and play it 1000 times. It will become so fcking distorted that you'll sound like Julian
Haha that'll work too
How does one record in a vinyl?
@@toddflanagan8211 shout really loud at it. the vibrations and hot breath from your mouth will press a sound wave into it.
@@MaximumJoy what! really? shout at a vinyl record?
Great patter and editing. So personal and kept you interested.
Thanks, Christopher. Glad you enjoyed the vid and thanks for watching!
Fuuuck I have a soft spot for distorted vocals. Been using them into my trusty Boss Metalcore into the Zoom MS50G, with the overdrive pedals on there to make it less scooped. Will try them more live with some noise gate stuff!
Oh, heck, yeah Turtleneck. Me, too. I want to do more on distorted vocals in 2019. Thanks for reminding me! That sounds like quite the chain you've got there!
Yo Fuck yeah bud, Sounds like a fun time, you inspired me to just leave my OCD in my Vocal chain hahahaha, sounds fuckin gnarly
I love the peavey logo!
Peavey has the coolest logo of any company IMHO.
i love the vintage peavey logo! to each their own, i suppose. this is a great video. i love my little peavey audition 30, it sounds great for recording because i can crank it and get cool tones. it has its own mojo. i never even thought of doing this! i’m excited to try it and mess with the saturation and EQ. Is This It? is one of my favorite albums and i somehow never knew this lmao thank you for sharing!
and for recording effected vocals, i often plug a 58 with a 1/4 to XLR through my pedalboard directly into one of the tracks on my 414 and it works great, because then i can add distortion, delay, reverb or any other effects that i choose to put in the chain. it’s definitely not traditionally recommended, but i just like to experiment with everything i have, even if it doesn’t always turn out. i feel that singing through the effects makes me sing differently and sometimes, that’s what i want
That’s it! I need a Peavey!
Do it, Michael! I would check out local classifieds. People are usually giving these old Peavey amps away
Awesome channel, man. I first got a 424 in the early 90's. My first time ever trying multi track recording. I was so broke, couldn't afford a mixer so I went to radio shack and looked at all of their adaptors. I bought two of those 2x1/4 one's and stacked them onto my drum channel input so I could plug in 3 mics at once. It was crazy the sound I got just by placing the 3 mics around the drums and going for it. Pro tip ! haha
they actually miced the peavey amp with a tlm 103 to capture the sound on the album
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5:22 yes you can do that with a Fender Champ, they have a aux and a phones jack, or at least the modern ones.
Oh, really? That's cool! I didn't know that. I'll see if I can hunt a modern one down at some point and check it out. I guess any amp that distorts or overdrives with a phones jack will do the trick. Thanks, Wesley!
awesome video man, always wondered and tried to replicate his sound
Came here for the 424 wisdom. Subbed cuz you’re a cool dude 😎
Haha thanks mixed states! Glad to have you on board and thanks for watching!
Thanks Mike, I really liked distorted vocals on Fall Forever, and its nice to know how that sound was achieved.
also I have couple questions:
1. Will 424 tascam be used during recording of your album?
2. Will Fall Forever be on the album? will Makin that Cheddar be on the album? :)
3. Can you add effect pedal(like Fuzz) to the vocal signal? would it be too distorted?
Jarek Rzdbk thanks, Jarek! Thanks for checking out FF.
1. I’m at a point with the recording where I just want to get it done so I might stick with Logic this time around.
2. FF for sure, MTC was released as a single under my rapper alias, Myke Drop.
3. You can do anything you want! Fuzz would be cool. I never think anything can be too distorted... depends on your preference and taste 🎃
I am using a shure 58 beta and an amp simulator in the send effects in my DAW it’s works too
I recorded the vocals to a lot of my songs by a similar method. I have one of those solid state Peavey guitar amps and they're badass. Only exception I mic'd the amp with my vocals coming through and it still sounded good. Do you recommend that method? It worked for me.
Here's an example.
th-cam.com/video/eITO48wa3qY/w-d-xo.html
Cool track, Daniel. Yeah that works great to record the speaker. I use the Headphone out out of convenience. I can't make too much noise in my apartment. That's cool, too, as you're probably getting some air off the speaker. I'd say whatever gets that sound you want, is a good way to do it. Thanks for watching!
424 Recording good to know. I've looked all over you tube for good recording videos and I find yours to be most helpful because you understand the lofi aesthetic. Appreciate the feedback.
Damn, that's awesome! Glad to help out and glad to know the channel is finding like-minded artists. My pleasure!
Thank you for ruining your hearing for the sake of a video.
I did it for science, future generations, and the TascFam 🤓
The Peavey logo is lame! I Really Agree with that Mike 😂
Had to take it off, Lucas!
I kinda agree but I also find it nostalgic and charming.
@@craig7810 I like that. You're right. There is a certain nostalgic charm to it
Y’all are wrong as hell about that trashy logo! Also those backstage pluses are amazing little amps. The low breakup is great.
Nice! Thanks!
You bet!
i always thought they just ran a cheap mic hot into a tascam388
SM58 mic has a neodymium element. It will accentuate your low end a bit more than a standard 58. Also, better off access rejection. Side note: all true hypercardioid mics have a neodymium element.
Do you mean the Beta58 = neodymium? I always dug the 58 on my vocals and the Beta feels like the next natural extension. Highly recommended to anyone who likes 58s for their vocals
Yes I meant Beta58. My oops. The secret sign for a neodymium element is the blue ring around the mic. All the Shure Beta mics have it, and they all have neodymium elements. A bunch of other manufacturers have also adopted the blue ring, some are using it nefariously, so always read the specs before purchasing. Shure mics=sure thing!!!.
Wow I didn't realize there was a reason beyond aesthetic for the blue ring. Very cool
the question is how to re create it live without feedback? been looking for the answer for years, used all the pedals on the market still feedback in practice rooms and stage
Hmmm maybe noise gate, a way to mute it, and EQing out problem frequencies. Might be a good idea for a follow up video. Thanks for watching!
@@424Recording I've been hoping to get the same effect live as well but the feedback is a big problem
What model is it then?
2:15 he looks at you and you stare into his eyes and become gay for a few seconds but then he looks away
Oh god
What model is it and where can i buy one?
Art tube mp original vs V3. Same stuff? or the v3 much better? (saw you had both)
I am looking for application that gives good distortion voice effect. Can you recommend the application I want?
I don't know if any apps (not really an app user). I would grab an old Peavey or a pedal or use stock plugins via DAWs. Good luck!
Im trying to use this technique to record some heavily distorted vocals, but im having trouble getting feedback and a noisy hum when im not singing, any tips?
Are you using headphones? You could also try noise gating the signal. Or lower the volume going to the recording interface, and raise it in post. I imagine there will be a hum given the nature of the sound but I was able to do it without feedback with headphones. Just don't take the headphones off without lowering the volume first!
So to record to daw: mic > pre > peavy > headphone out > audio interface in? yo don't need to mic it?
Yup. No need to mic the amp. It's like using a guitar direct in vs miking a guitar amp. You could mic the amp if you wanted to get some room sound and the speaker pushing some air but there's really no need to do. Just add some reverb in post if you want that sound.
@@424Recording Thanks brother. I'm digging this one a lot btw th-cam.com/video/fjKQoUIOM5I/w-d-xo.html&t=897 keep it up, great stuff
Thanks, Tom! I'm glad you're digging the set!
actually they did mic it for is this it with a tlm 103
Lol I looked up this amp because I wanted to sound like the strokes and literally this shows up
Haha I was wondering why so many people come across this video
its weird how to not know this
what is the intro song?
It's just the channel theme song. It's called "Down Low"
@@424Recording oh sweet, thank you
Love the ART pre-amp! I use it all the time!
Sweeeeeet
laughed my ass off at the beginning,
bill jim 😂
hey mike, so im looking at a 424 for sale on ebay "for parts". hes selling it for parts for a couple reasons, one he doesnt have the power supply and then ill quote what else he said-
"It was powering up fine and played, probably 3 years ago, the last time I used it. However I do remember having an issue with some muddy recordings the last time I used it, but no one fixed them anymore, so I bought a digital recorder. It could be something as simple as the heads need to be demagnetized and cleaned, or it could be something more"
cosmetically its in great condition. its going for 60 bucks. so do you think its worth taking the risk with no returns? could this "muddy sound" be something irreparable? what would you do?
bill jim tough to say. I think the big no on this one is the lack of power supply. They are hard to come by. A lot of factors re: muddy recordings. Could be the heads, tape, user error etc. I would pass but it’s up to you
alright thanks think ill follow your advice
though theres a lot of these universal replacement chargers for the 424's on ebay. have you seen these? www.ebay.com/itm/AC-Adapter-For-TASCAM-PORTASTUDIO-424-MULTITRACK-RECORDER-Power-Supply-Charger/371607549762?epid=4006269369&hash=item5685893742:g:uDYAAOSw44BYhrqm
The cheesy logo is part of the charm!
To go with some Oakley Blades!
If you don't play this amp with the original logo on it and Oakley Blades at the same time... Idk what to say! It's only for those with hairy chests! 😂
Dude fender champ has a phones jack too
I wish! Mine's from 1973
What song was that at 0:30? Thanks
Channel theme song over here: 424recording.bandcamp.com/album/tracks-from-the-channel-2018
you couldve gotten the distortion out of the preamp alone ===
Thanks for The advice! Can you use this for live vocals as well??
My pleasure, Kevin! I'm sure you could. Been meaning to make a video on getting this distorted vocal sound live. You have to be careful about feedback and how you monitor the distorted vocals but I think it's possible...
@@424Recording a video on how to distort live would be great!
@@424Recording did this ever happen?
What is the tune playing at 0:30?
Channel theme song. You can listen here: 424recording.bandcamp.com/album/tracks-from-the-channel-2018
What's the name of the song at the intro ??? Thanks
It's called "Down Low". You can stream it here: 424recording.bandcamp.com/album/tracks-from-the-channel-2018
Thumbs up just for the Peavey logo comment
I bought a Peavey bandit and I can’t do it the preamp is crucial.
Does it have saturation?
You can just use that tube pre and overdrive the front end into tube distortion. Just keep the output below unity gain. The opl can keep it tame or you can go crazy distorted. I use it all the time.
That's a great idea! Thanks for the tip!
would this work with an old Peavey bass amp
Don't see why not, Emery. Does it have a saturation knob? Let me know the model and I'll check it out on Google
Wattage of that amp?
35
Was looking at the studio pro 40, any major differences?
I would just make sure it's got that saturation circuit if you want to use it for vocals 🙌
you look like 2010 version of Matt Berninger
Nothing new peoples been doing this since the 60s
It sucks to live in Brazil. One of these amps goes from 1k Brazilian Reals to 4k brazilian reals (US$1 ~ R$3,80 - R$4,50).
Everything is too damn pricey here :(
Whatttt?! They can't give them away up here in NY. You could probably order one from the states? Or you might be able to use a stock DAW plugin for a similar effect
@@424Recording yeah man, it really sucks. Everything here is waaay too expensive.
If I'm to buy it, I'd probably order from EUA, even though we pay an importing tax aswell. Yeah, 3rd world countries's problem.
So anyway...
Totally hate the peavey logo as well!
Whats the song from the sample at 30 seconds?
Channel theme song 424recording.bandcamp.com
I'm the same way with logos. xD
de bruyne
Haha, I can't stand the logo as well. Being a designer myself I seriously think that Peavy did rather bad as a brand because of their logo and overall appearance.
bro has a $5 mic
Dude! I took ALL the shitty logos off EVERY shitty amp ive ever had!
+1 Phil! Only way to live
A huge dislike bc you didnt make a result video
You talk waaaaaaaaaaaaay too much.
ive used dist. or od on vocals ever since well..4ever...if you wanna hear just check out my chan.oh and keep up the recording vids just dont tell everyone all the secrets its getting a bit crowded.your stuff is good.maybe lets colab some day.