It's good to watch this debate with an open mind. It's a very interesting topic... obviously Ruco is having the spiritual/biblical aspect whereas Kamitha's approach is both cultural and scientitfic. As a bible follower I don't consult the dead and also Budhism and that altar in Switzerland (Cern), I believe are idol worship so I distance myself. Cern is attempting to reach satan and I saw a ceremony where they were calling him to come out of the abbys....😮 My take is that there's something special about to happen to the world with the epicentre here in Kikuyu land. Thats great news! Am taking the positives from both sides and discarding what does not go with my belief. A big Thankyou to both gentlemen for enlightening us and to the host as well for facilitating brilliantly.
God uses His creation to speak to us or to illustrate a lesson. Aligning of stars and cosmos energies etc are all a language I'd associate with the creator God. Even when Jesus was born it was a star that led the wise men to find him. For instance God describes a country like Kenya using His natural order like "a land beyond the rivers of Kush" "flapping of wings" meaning a land with abundance of birds. Also in the book of Isaiah God describes Kenya as a land in the center and on the border. Center is equator and border is where sea touches dry land; so a country on the equator and touches the ocean. He calls it Egypt to rule out other continents, because to God Africa is one country (internal borders were put by the Europeans) So science is just a word used to describe what the creator has already pronounced.
One of them is telling the truth, and coz Ruco anaelezea vizuri about gilgil next video tupeleke gilgil hadi Kwa hio shamba na mshimbe kidogo tuone those directions....Thayu
But don't dare incite the creator.Sighs & wonders are not important but big Qn.is, are we perfect with him(righteous) otherwise you might end your life thinking you're seeking the truth
Haha hena maúndú matano 1.kiugo 2.úriukio 3.úthamaki 3.anabíí atúmwo athijiri othe a Ngai (saint).ciugo cia anabii atúmwo na athijíri ci roho.he gití kia úthamaki,úthamaki,múthaki,thumbí ya úthaki.úhoro úyú úrenda gíikaro.úriúkio ní Nakuru na úthaki ní gaki .nonginya kígongona kímerio ní úthamaki.tondú múrú wa Ngai niwe kígongona.múthíjiri,na ngoima Ngai mwene hinya túhe úgí
Apana this mzee has wisdom if you listen to both the concept is one but Gods perfect clarity is different in both having been given different spirit for a common agenda but with time all shall marry for Gods glory
Questions for Mr. Kamitha, why be called 13th Triangles? Did he know before they told him, how sure is he are not lying to him? Any connection with so called Star of David/Remphan, Masonic symbol they are all triangles or 13th tribe narrative? Can he explain fourth Dimension, he said the ark is in that dimension? Why four magongonas and not one or more, why those location and how does he know that?
@@exploremylocalarea946 I agree that is why I said the so called the Star of David but it is Remphan star which was paganism. You find it in some flags. But they try to pass it as if it was David’s.
Kamitha is always holding papers coz he knows people won't believe him , Ruco holds Jehova, and his authority is from above not from professor or muthungu
Someone is teaching Yin Yang. Hopi people center around the sun spirit, Switzerland is where cern is located do research what cern is all about and why statue of god Shiva is there? Dalai Lama is Buddhism. All this Remind me of the book of Enoch, Jasher and Jubilee.
Kigongona,úriúkio,úthamaki,múthamaki,kígona na úthamaki ci gaki,úriúkio wí naikuru ,he maúndú maya ngai ndarutaga wíra kínganga iní .ní anabii 400 na úmwe wa ngai mikaya .wíyúrie atírí wee úrí úú?
Mr. Kamitha is mixing up all school of thoughts of human when they want to know everything without the Creator being in charge and now trying to interpret them in African way..that is why he has to report to another human.
😂 Mr. Kamitha says that ruco is misleading people How about when kamitha told the kikuyu to vote for ruto because he said it's what God has told us. How about when he taught that the bottom up slogan from ruto is from God and that's why we shouldn't oppose or question ruto? Yet the true bottom up prophecy means the average people will bring in God's kingdom ? 😂 How about when he taught that we shouldn't criticize a leader when he is in power because the spirits of our dead people will punish us and we will get curse from God? Was that not misleading people 😂 How about what he teaches about the spirits of dead people how these spirits judge us or bring blessings to us when in reality its God who brings blessings and curses based on our observance of His laws 😂 Also how about when he teaches that we need to pray to these spirits and tell them not to hurt us anymore instead of praying to God to show us the right way? Is this not misleading people? 😂 Ùthamaki wa mùtùmbi ùrorùma nyambo 🙏 We are not to be governed by dead people. We are governed by our creator. And his laws is the ultimate. All these other theories are just a big lie. Yet he is calling other people the liars? 😂🤦♀️ Time has come...for the truth to take a stand and this truth will set us free and this truth is the observance of God's laws. It's that simple.
Solar System has nothing to do with the Book of Revelations. That chapter describes God's cabinet. He is the center of the thrown surrounded by cherubim and the 20 elders. How does this even translate to the cosmos and the Solar syatem.
When ruco said God went silent don't mean he went dead. It means God removed his attention from that thing or God removed his power from that thing. But that don't mean God stopped being powerful or stopped paying attention. He just removed his power from that particular thing. Ruco never meant that God died. It's like how we also go wrong and God keeps silent on our matter until we find the right way and we repent. He gives us time to find our own way. That's what ruco meant
His silence means alot coz akiongea much happens but we need to be on the look out coz hapo chini inaongea a different story.He will speak with finality coz evil has taken root.
Why would Israeli bring an ark in Kenya yet according to this book it's in heaven? Revelation 11:19 says the prophet saw God's temple in heaven opened, "and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple." Even if it was in Kenya are you Kohen /; Priestly family to handle it? Did Kikuyu as people have such traditions any where untill you translated that book
Ruco thinks is the son of David, his followers treat him the same. He really Insists that nakuru has the most birds beyond the rivers of kush. Congo has the most birds not nakuru. His followers follow him blindly ignoring the facts. Niliona akisema Hass ni mzuri ati sio a "modified" plant Kamitha ni mchawi tu wa kawaida.
Ruco doesn't think he is a son of David, most israelites in africa are from the line of david. So he wouldn't be mistaken for thinking so. And his followers don't follow him blindly. It's the law that makes his followers listen to him because they want to learn this law because it is setting people free. If you try observing this law and see the changes in your life you will understand why people are looking for ruco to learn more about these laws
Haha you know exactly what I mean. He thinks hes the king. He does a good job by telling people to return to the Law. He gave false prophecy on elections, he went ahead and said ruto won't be sworn in. He said he won't complete a year, he should concentrate on teaching the law not prophesying lies. Also tell him Hass ni gmo
@@annshomestead5901 🤣🤣🤣 no...I won't tell him that...I think I need to tell you to chill out and relax. Have you been waiting on these prophecies to change your life? Because you sound disappointed 🤣 Relax....let time reveal the truth. Ruco don't think he is king. He is confident. Something I'm sure you don't understand that's why you feel intimidated by his confidence. Allow this young man to be. And relax...if the prophecies don't come out true, you also have the authority to create your own prophecies and you also have authority not to listen to them. Why you listen to him is still a wonder 🤣
Ruco is very confused. If you want to understand the Bible completely you have to learn Hebrew and Greek. Kikuyu Bible is a translation which might have some errors. Some words you cannot translate so you look for something similar but not exactly what the original word means.
Talk of confusion. Ruco is a confused false prophet you cannot even understand what he is saying. Ndura told us the Ark of the covenant is in Mt. Keenya. Jane Kingori has the Ark of Covenant in her Church.
Kamitha is a pure wisdom
I agree with Ruco
It's good to watch this debate with an open mind. It's a very interesting topic... obviously Ruco is having the spiritual/biblical aspect whereas Kamitha's approach is both cultural and scientitfic. As a bible follower I don't consult the dead and also Budhism and that altar in Switzerland (Cern), I believe are idol worship so I distance myself. Cern is attempting to reach satan and I saw a ceremony where they were calling him to come out of the abbys....😮
My take is that there's something special about to happen to the world with the epicentre here in Kikuyu land. Thats great news! Am taking the positives from both sides and discarding what does not go with my belief.
A big Thankyou to both gentlemen for enlightening us and to the host as well for facilitating brilliantly.
Everything is science even the bible is scientific.
God uses His creation to speak to us or to illustrate a lesson. Aligning of stars and cosmos energies etc are all a language I'd associate with the creator God. Even when Jesus was born it was a star that led the wise men to find him.
For instance God describes a country like Kenya using His natural order like "a land beyond the rivers of Kush" "flapping of wings" meaning a land with abundance of birds. Also in the book of Isaiah God describes Kenya as a land in the center and on the border. Center is equator and border is where sea touches dry land; so a country on the equator and touches the ocean. He calls it Egypt to rule out other continents, because to God Africa is one country (internal borders were put by the Europeans)
So science is just a word used to describe what the creator has already pronounced.
@@Sindi63084 so above so below kamitha is elder ruco is a young man finding himself.
@@simonnjoroge3540I don't get you. My respect goes for both men
@Sindi63084 there is man and a boy.
This Man of Thumbi TV....is clever star man I like how is asking question....also Mr.Ruco is wise
ūhoro ūyū ūhithītwo imenyi na njūhīga,,,thengiū mūno Ruco
Ruco knows and is sure of what he is talking about
Ruco nimutumwo wa Jehova arute Andu ukombo-ini tumenye ma itukure ukombo-ini thaayu thaayu
I agree with Kamìtha, nì thaayù Awa
Both have the intelligence one from God the other is using other intelligences.
Can MR Kamitha please explain what TOTEMS are and their purpose in African spirituality?
One of them is telling the truth, and coz Ruco anaelezea vizuri about gilgil next video tupeleke gilgil hadi Kwa hio shamba na mshimbe kidogo tuone those directions....Thayu
But don't dare incite the creator.Sighs & wonders are not important but big Qn.is, are we perfect with him(righteous) otherwise you might end your life thinking you're seeking the truth
Thayu o cio muthuri niatinge koara gano nyinge niacokie kuora orio, ruco he is right
Haha hena maúndú matano 1.kiugo 2.úriukio 3.úthamaki 3.anabíí atúmwo athijiri othe a Ngai (saint).ciugo cia anabii atúmwo na athijíri ci roho.he gití kia úthamaki,úthamaki,múthaki,thumbí ya úthaki.úhoro úyú úrenda gíikaro.úriúkio ní Nakuru na úthaki ní gaki .nonginya kígongona kímerio ní úthamaki.tondú múrú wa Ngai niwe kígongona.múthíjiri,na ngoima Ngai mwene hinya túhe úgí
Ruco nimuhingicanu
Cosmos ningi mündü wa Awa,
Mimi nakubaliana na ruco100%.huyu mzee Yale mambo huongea it's like being fed sio mambo anajua.
Apana this mzee has wisdom if you listen to both the concept is one but Gods perfect clarity is different in both having been given different spirit for a common agenda but with time all shall marry for Gods glory
Ruco all the way
Kamitha aroneka nì njaguti ya UN kana nyakerù ùyù angìona rìu ithandùkù nokwendia
Kirimu nota mwatu
Mzee is both a scientist and a spiritualist. Patience patience!
I disagree,he is God sent for the community
Where did they get the cement from to make the said pillars by RUCO MWANGI.
Mwaki wa Ngai uraragio ni magoto & that's why we call him God of wonders
ruco ndanacuhio ona hanini
Kamitha is full of wisdom . Thayu nyumba ya mumbi
this man is asking funny questions
Part1 iko?
Kamitha is an astrologer
Thayū Thayū
Ruco is confused
Mr Kamitha what is CERN which is in Switzerland?
Aya nî agûrûki 😅😂😂😅
Matusi ya nini sasa ukikosa kuelewa kitu heli ujinyamazie tu plz
Tawe😂
Rithikitwo ngoro uyu uhoro ni muritu maa
Wewe Bado unaabudu wazungus?
Matusi ya nini?????no human has perfect wisdom & vice versa.Sikiza,get what you can get but don't dare insult plz
Questions for Mr. Kamitha, why be called 13th Triangles? Did he know before they told him, how sure is he are not lying to him? Any connection with so called Star of David/Remphan, Masonic symbol they are all triangles or 13th tribe narrative? Can he explain fourth Dimension, he said the ark is in that dimension? Why four magongonas and not one or more, why those location and how does he know that?
David did not have a Star. What they called the Star of David comes from paganism.
@@exploremylocalarea946 I agree that is why I said the so called the Star of David but it is Remphan star which was paganism. You find it in some flags. But they try to pass it as if it was David’s.
@@wanjikunyagah6426
That is true.
Even Israel flag has it. Political Zionism has some Kabbalah in it.
Kenya ni bŭrŭri wa kīranīro. Riri wa Ngai wathamire kuma west ŭgiŭka mwena ŭcio. Taitu (cloud)Riri wa Ngai ŭmbīte miena īno
Kamitha is always holding papers coz he knows people won't believe him , Ruco holds Jehova, and his authority is from above not from professor or muthungu
Huyu Mzee anasema nn ndinayita onaki
Kamitha is unduire encyclopedia
Why dont yu bring ruco alone this old man is all about stories and his research
If you don't know kamitha very well and his knowledge....listen to his walking encyclopedia....you'll never say what u said again
I have been following Ruco but hii nayo is a miss
Someone is teaching Yin Yang. Hopi people center around the sun spirit, Switzerland is where cern is located do research what cern is all about and why statue of god Shiva is there? Dalai Lama is Buddhism. All this Remind me of the book of Enoch, Jasher and Jubilee.
Kamitha is a freemason or in a cult that is focused on deception
what is Kamitha all about?
Both are right we need to get them well.No disagreement but both mean well for humanity having been sent by God
I know where the ark of the covenant kwenye iko
Jesus is the way to God
Kamitha theories are scientific from Wazungus books. Just theories
Thumbi NGAI akoraguo hamwe nawe
The colours of Mr Kamitha"s shirt???🤫🤫😜
can you tell what the colours of this shirt means
@@marhtanyakweya2643 Do they have a meaning?
Kigongona,úriúkio,úthamaki,múthamaki,kígona na úthamaki ci gaki,úriúkio wí naikuru ,he maúndú maya ngai ndarutaga wíra kínganga iní .ní anabii 400 na úmwe wa ngai mikaya .wíyúrie atírí wee úrí úú?
😂😂😂 story time
Kamitha ni wa science. Maguka/ngomi mangiukira matingimenya arauga atia tondu matiagithire universities iria athire.
Culture was there before science..and science was started by our for father's before mzungu looted everything
Ruco the man
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🥂
TWITIKIE URATHI
Thayu thayu ruco ia talking sense
Mr. Kamitha is mixing up all school of thoughts of human when they want to know everything without the Creator being in charge and now trying to interpret them in African way..that is why he has to report to another human.
😂 Mr. Kamitha says that ruco is misleading people
How about when kamitha told the kikuyu to vote for ruto because he said it's what God has told us.
How about when he taught that the bottom up slogan from ruto is from God and that's why we shouldn't oppose or question ruto?
Yet the true bottom up prophecy means the average people will bring in God's kingdom ? 😂
How about when he taught that we shouldn't criticize a leader when he is in power because the spirits of our dead people will punish us and we will get curse from God?
Was that not misleading people 😂
How about what he teaches about the spirits of dead people how these spirits judge us or bring blessings to us when in reality its God who brings blessings and curses based on our observance of His laws 😂
Also how about when he teaches that we need to pray to these spirits and tell them not to hurt us anymore instead of praying to God to show us the right way? Is this not misleading people? 😂
Ùthamaki wa mùtùmbi ùrorùma nyambo 🙏
We are not to be governed by dead people. We are governed by our creator. And his laws is the ultimate.
All these other theories are just a big lie.
Yet he is calling other people the liars? 😂🤦♀️
Time has come...for the truth to take a stand and this truth will set us free and this truth is the observance of God's laws. It's that simple.
Kamitha ni mkora tu
Ruco is right
Even Githurai 45 is in the bible!
Which verse of bible
Uyu ni ubuthi mutheri
the old man is lost kwa wazungu world
@@emmawemai think your Cosmo has given you very small 😂way of thinking ......me. kamitha is real deal
Solar System has nothing to do with the Book of Revelations. That chapter describes God's cabinet. He is the center of the thrown surrounded by cherubim and the 20 elders. How does this even translate to the cosmos and the Solar syatem.
Everything moves nothing stays still,all things including the creator vibrates how did Ngai keep still and quiet?? I disagree on Ngai gukira
When ruco said God went silent don't mean he went dead. It means God removed his attention from that thing or God removed his power from that thing. But that don't mean God stopped being powerful or stopped paying attention. He just removed his power from that particular thing.
Ruco never meant that God died. It's like how we also go wrong and God keeps silent on our matter until we find the right way and we repent. He gives us time to find our own way.
That's what ruco meant
@mugikuyu4700 pewa kyenye unakunywa kwa Bill yangu
@@njeriratliff5918 🤣 I'll take it for your sake 🤣👍
His silence means alot coz akiongea much happens but we need to be on the look out coz hapo chini inaongea a different story.He will speak with finality coz evil has taken root.
Why would Israeli bring an ark in Kenya yet according to this book it's in heaven?
Revelation 11:19 says the prophet saw God's temple in heaven opened, "and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple."
Even if it was in Kenya are you Kohen /; Priestly family to handle it?
Did Kikuyu as people have such traditions any where untill you translated that book
Kamitha no ngano
😂😂😂😂😂
Ruco thinks is the son of David, his followers treat him the same. He really Insists that nakuru has the most birds beyond the rivers of kush. Congo has the most birds not nakuru. His followers follow him blindly ignoring the facts. Niliona akisema Hass ni mzuri ati sio a "modified" plant
Kamitha ni mchawi tu wa kawaida.
Ruco doesn't think he is a son of David, most israelites in africa are from the line of david. So he wouldn't be mistaken for thinking so.
And his followers don't follow him blindly. It's the law that makes his followers listen to him because they want to learn this law because it is setting people free.
If you try observing this law and see the changes in your life you will understand why people are looking for ruco to learn more about these laws
Haha you know exactly what I mean. He thinks hes the king.
He does a good job by telling people to return to the Law.
He gave false prophecy on elections, he went ahead and said ruto won't be sworn in. He said he won't complete a year, he should concentrate on teaching the law not prophesying lies. Also tell him Hass ni gmo
@@annshomestead5901 🤣🤣🤣 no...I won't tell him that...I think I need to tell you to chill out and relax. Have you been waiting on these prophecies to change your life? Because you sound disappointed 🤣
Relax....let time reveal the truth.
Ruco don't think he is king. He is confident. Something I'm sure you don't understand that's why you feel intimidated by his confidence.
Allow this young man to be.
And relax...if the prophecies don't come out true, you also have the authority to create your own prophecies and you also have authority not to listen to them. Why you listen to him is still a wonder 🤣
@@annshomestead5901how do you know what he's thinking? Can you read people's mind?
Ruco is very confused. If you want to understand the Bible completely you have to learn Hebrew and Greek. Kikuyu Bible is a translation which might have some errors. Some words you cannot translate so you look for something similar but not exactly what the original word means.
Most are gatekeepers!
Mzee kamitha is not concetrating
Yy anasoma tu🥺
Talk of confusion. Ruco is a confused false prophet you cannot even understand what he is saying.
Ndura told us the Ark of the covenant is in Mt. Keenya.
Jane Kingori has the Ark of Covenant in her Church.