i'm fairly heavily tattooed, have some ink on my ribs, and recently got my back piece outlined. If i had the option of some numbing agent for my back i sure as hell would have used it. i've had plenty of piercings and even done a suspension, so it's not a pain tolerance issue. if it helps folks out with larger pieces or more sensitive areas, i see no problem with it, and neither do most of the artists i go to.
I personally think it's kind of bullshit that you have to ''earn'' your tattoo, especially on painful places or if your pain tolerance is just really low but you friggin love tattoos. Why wouldn't you use something like a numbing gel to be able to sit through it? It's not like you feel totally nothing with a numbing product, you'll still feel the pain but it'll be more bearable.I agree that you should go without for your first one, or else you'll never know what the pain is like for you personally. If it's really too much, then you know to maybe use a numbing product next time.
Says someone in today's mainstream way of tattoo collecting. You can have your opinion. That's totally fine of course, but we can have ours. Think about the fact that even someone legendary like Charlie Cartwright (old gray haired man with beard) said, "Man up and get that damn tattoo." These are the old school tattoo pioneers who brought forward today's way of tattooing techniques. These are the people who lived through a time when modern society shunned the ideas of tattooing. Not sure about you, but i have a great deal of respect for them as they brought prison style tattooing, Japanese,, and American Traditional styles to create all the styles you see today. His quote above was how their mentality was back then.....and when it comes to something traditional such as tattooing, old school way is the best way.
Stan McInerney I appreciate that but at the same time I'm now in a predicament. Started a full sleeve Polynesian and almost passed out 3 hours in. The line work (which it most is) is kill me. I had food etc before hand but it got got the stage I was gonna black out. I never usually been that bad with ink etc but I really need to find a solution as I don't think I can't hack another 10 hours on top which is what's gonna be needed.
IMO it totally depends on the person and the situation. My last one had a lot of delicate shading and soft color blending and therefore required several passes over the same areas. As such I needed a quick spray of Vasocaine toward the end to get through it (I have a relatively low pain tolerance) but for "average" tattoos I'm fine. Numbing products have their place and should not be dismissed. Even the toughest of people eventually meet their matches and tattoos being an art form are not to be "earned." You paid money for them after all so that's enough to earn the art.
Aight yall lol. The comments made on this vid and on here, are ridiculous to a point. What I mean by that is, that's like telling a woman in labor...HEY!! This is a rite of passage. No meds, suck, that, UP! Come on ppl. This is not the Civil War days when you have to get a procedure done, so bite on a piece of wood. HOWEVER! Lol! I recently used Tattoo Numb for the first time, and this tatt was by far the WORST one pain wise, and the cream did not work. Some areas were ok, but others were awful with pain. So I agree with the young lady on here who said the pain slams you all at once oh baby yes it does! I like what my artist uses..not sure the name of it. It doesn't take the pain away but it does take the edge off. Another thing I have to mention is this...women you will love this. Men are the FIRST ones to tell a woman suck it up, it's a right of passage etc which is stupid, but yet when they get the flu, they think they are DYING!!!! Call in the family to say goodbye, and call in the priest for last rites. Yeah, uh huh. Sounds hypocritical to me!!!!
Heh. At least I can see who to not ever get a tattoo from, even if their work is excellent. I haven't used any numbing products but I'm not going to tell someone who does to "man up" or call them pussies. -_- I grew up in a shop with great artists and they never talked about their clients in this way. Your clients pay your bills and bad mouthing them is just pathetic.
For those who have health conditions should not be knocked for using it. People with heart conditions for one. One with a already fast heart beat and then pain speeds it up more could do harm. Ink is not all about the high of the pain but it is also about meanings and what one is representing. It could be family or memory of a lost one. People need to look at others points of views too and stop insulting people.
mylovecanonlyseethis actually, numbing creams adversely affect ones heart, causing a significant rise in BP and heart rate. People with "heart conditions" are not advised to use it at all.
I never had it for my tattoos but due to the fact i'm an all round panicky person i've always considered using it for one of my future tattoos, I see nothing wrong with anyone using it as people go into shock when put in a lot of pain, especially if they have low pain tolerances
Whether or not to use it should be discussed with your artist because if you use some without the artist knowing before it can have a reaction with your skin and therefore have an effect on the artists work. At the very least they have much more experience in knowing which numbing products are best
Ive had Aa phobia of needles since I was 8 because a doctor missed my vein 8 times in a row and it swole up. That terrified me as a kid and even tho I know needles aren't that bad my mind and body disagrees. I've wanted to get a tattoo for so long but I've never gone through with it because I don't want to start something I'm not 100% I can Finnish
I've had the spray used on me for the last hour of a 10 hour sit on my forearm. I think people who use the cream before the tattoo even starts are dumb though. Take the pain for a bit and enjoy that you are alive.
Using it for laser treatments on my chest to lighten it up for a cover up, but never used it for tattoos. Yeah, tattoos hurt, but not that bad. Laser sucks though. I was prescribed Vicodin that didn't do shit to help the pain (even had 5 ibuprofen and ice packs), but that Dr Numb is bitchin! Glad I discovered it.
+Kurtis Tufts i am getting laser on my chest for the same reasons and i agree it sucks. i haven't used the cream, but i know what you're going through.
I sat for a total of 23,5h for my statue of liberty tattoo (final session 14,5h straight). Last hour of highlighting did hurt but we have an old swedish saying; "If you want to look nice youll have to suffer for it".
I love using numbing cream in really sensitive areas. It doesn’t make it hurt more when it wears off. I put it on at home 2 hours before my appt. My tattoo artist uses a tattoo glide product that has lidocaine in it. It’s not a freakin contest to see who can sit through the most pain. Enjoy your tattoo journey. We all earn our tattoos with our blood anyway lol 😂 😆 😝
I used numbing spray after the lines and the shading and when she started to tattoo me again I didn't feel a thing, it was like when you have slept on your arm and you can't feel it and barely lift it up. It's like that. It was so weird and uncomfortable that I almost fainted and threw up.
I remember when I had the numbing cream. I have very thin blood that doesn't cloth very well and for this particular tattoo I was bleeding like shit. I didn't think much of it but my artist thought that it had to hurt immensely for some reason so he used some numbing cream. Weird feeling.
I didn't even know about numbing sprays until I had a significant amount of myself tattooed. I was getting my elbow done by a friend who IS THE SLOWEST TATTOOER IN THE WORLD! He busted it out and I was able to sit for the rest of the Tattoo. I just got a portrait done by a newer artist. After nearly 10 hours he was going in with the white and I was dying. I asked for numbing spray and he didn't have it so I tapped out. He took way longer than he said he would, but I would have held out another hour with it. So i get it if you are old school and traditional, but most tattooing in the states has become about art, not tradition or spirituality. If you're tattooing someone for over 10 hours, have it on hand ffs.
First session I didn't use one, it lasted 3 hours and a half, second session lasted 10 hours, I used numbing cream which was usefull for two hours out of those 10 so the other 8 I spent them feeling everything, the tattoo covers my entire back, and my back is pretty sensitive so there were parts on my back that actually hurt like hell. SO I think it would really depend on which part of the body and the size of the tattoo, if its a small one you've got no business using numbing cream
my 5 hour thigh piece had to be numbed when he was doing the inner thigh. the inner thigh is fucking awful so he sprayed it with "bitch spray" as he put it, so I wouldn't flinch while he was finishing the details. my calf tattoo took 3 hours and hurt way worse than my thigh and i didn't ask him for it because i was able to zone out and take my mind off it. some people need it and some people don't.
I did 5 hours on my back and i started getting anxiety cuz the pain was getting worse. Tried numbing cream 2nd meeting. Still pain but less and i didnt get anxiety. The anxiety was weird
Thinking about getting my first tattoo on my left pectoral, dimensions approx. 3.5" x 3.5", mostly black & grey with minimal color. Has anyone been tattooed in that body region before and is the pain unbearable? Yes, I'm a guy w/a low threshold for pain, not ashamed to admit it, but I don't want that to stop me from getting inked. Any input would be great, thanks!
Purely due to stigma and I’ve sat for five hours without but nah... I’m struggling to complete my tattoo sleeve on my leg without it. It’s big stuff. I’m only small I’m 19 I can’t do much more than 5 hrs
No numbing cream for me! I take the tattoo pain as it is. I would just man up when I get tattooed. And love the music in the background. So relaxing.:-)
I've had a spray used on me before when I was getting my stomach done. Had to wait for the area to be roughed up before it could be used and it burns for a little bit but it helped. Didnt stop the pain, still sucked, but it was less intense. Plus I was having a hard time sitting still and making it hard on both myself and the artist. I took the chest pretty well, and didnt use any there, the worst is going up the sternum but it's tolerable. I'll be around my ribs soon so if any of you have had your stomach done, from lower to upper and know what that feels like, hows the ribs in comparison?
Very rude tattoo artist, some not all. I would gladly use numbing cream. The customers are paying your bills so if they want that shit you give it to them
Personally i wont ever use numbing cream either, because: 1- It proves my commitment in getting the tattoo ( i only get tattoos that hold special meanings to me) 2- Makes every tattoo of mine an unforgettable experience 3- Just for fun but it gives me a sense of pride and manliness to have my fiancee witness how i tough out 10 hours of being pierced by needles haha
Okay, here's the deal... I know a lot of people come to videos like these to help get over the fear of what you perceive the Tattooing experience is going to be like... Everyone no matter what gender, height or muscle is afraid to a degree of what the pain will be like getting a tattoo at first which is more then understandable, listen I've been doing Tattoo's for 20+ plus years now... My advise, don't listen to these jokers please... You see men and women like these guys saying stupid shit like "getting a Tattoo is a spiritual accomplishment"... No... No it's not it's a person committing to detail their body to their liking, "Oh but if you can't take the pain you shouldn't have one", very unacceptable advice you just gave, firstly because how can you make that big of ignorant statement born strictly out of well... Ignorance, you have no idea what someone's life or health is like, plain and simple some can't handle the pain but does this has to mean he or she shouldn't be able to feel the joys of accomplishment of something they really want? People are scared of heights... Does this mean they have no right to confront and jump out of that plain to better help educate themselves and beat a fear all together? Fuck out of here with that bullshit. Listen, these artist are great at there jobs because they found a silver lining in their craft they find of value and comfort in, some believe it's a accomplishment of greatness, a right of passes, spiritual and some go as far as religion, base line is they found value within these sub categories that gives them foundation and a reason to progress and be better as artist and that my friends is amazing, but the moment you start knocking someone because they don't feel the same way as you, can't handle as much as you and start pushing your opinion like it's more so important and righteous on someone who's not on your level... I'm sorry but you lose credibility to me as a person, you're no better then anyone else, in fact this whole concept of pain from tattoo is a right of passage is the equivalent of a body builder... And I'm talking the extreme meat heads who go fucking crazy and over board... They come across as assholes, why be a asshole to someone not on you're level when you can provide them with a fun memory their always remember with that tattoo? Don't call someone a pussy for using whatever method they feel they need to appreciate something they can feel proud of for life... Type of low life locks down on another thinking their better because they endured said level of pain? You come to my shop and I'll treat you like a human being, your afraid to get one done... No problem, I'll talk you through it, couch you through it... Allow you to experience a different point of view, not make you feel like shit. If you need to use cream to numb the area that's fine by me, let's just create something of value to you
Do you know any good brands to use i am getting a cover up done on my back and because of the size of the first tat the cover up is going to take up quite a large amount of my back im aanting to try out some cream if it gets to much for me
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i'm fairly heavily tattooed, have some ink on my ribs, and recently got my back piece outlined. If i had the option of some numbing agent for my back i sure as hell would have used it. i've had plenty of piercings and even done a suspension, so it's not a pain tolerance issue. if it helps folks out with larger pieces or more sensitive areas, i see no problem with it, and neither do most of the artists i go to.
I personally think it's kind of bullshit that you have to ''earn'' your tattoo, especially on painful places or if your pain tolerance is just really low but you friggin love tattoos. Why wouldn't you use something like a numbing gel to be able to sit through it? It's not like you feel totally nothing with a numbing product, you'll still feel the pain but it'll be more bearable.I agree that you should go without for your first one, or else you'll never know what the pain is like for you personally. If it's really too much, then you know to maybe use a numbing product next time.
Says someone in today's mainstream way of tattoo collecting. You can have your opinion. That's totally fine of course, but we can have ours. Think about the fact that even someone legendary like Charlie Cartwright (old gray haired man with beard) said, "Man up and get that damn tattoo." These are the old school tattoo pioneers who brought forward today's way of tattooing techniques. These are the people who lived through a time when modern society shunned the ideas of tattooing. Not sure about you, but i have a great deal of respect for them as they brought prison style tattooing, Japanese,, and American Traditional styles to create all the styles you see today. His quote above was how their mentality was back then.....and when it comes to something traditional such as tattooing, old school way is the best way.
Stan McInerney
I appreciate that but at the same time I'm now in a predicament. Started a full sleeve Polynesian and almost passed out 3 hours in. The line work (which it most is) is kill me.
I had food etc before hand but it got got the stage I was gonna black out. I never usually been that bad with ink etc but I really need to find a solution as I don't think I can't hack another 10 hours on top which is what's gonna be needed.
May3529 shit if I’m paying $100 dollars an hour for a tattoo, you can’t tell me I didn’t earn it.
I finally used the numbing spray when I got my hand done, helps immensely.
IMO it totally depends on the person and the situation. My last one had a lot of delicate shading and soft color blending and therefore required several passes over the same areas. As such I needed a quick spray of Vasocaine toward the end to get through it (I have a relatively low pain tolerance) but for "average" tattoos I'm fine.
Numbing products have their place and should not be dismissed. Even the toughest of people eventually meet their matches and tattoos being an art form are not to be "earned." You paid money for them after all so that's enough to earn the art.
Aight yall lol. The comments made on this vid and on here, are ridiculous to a point. What I mean by that is, that's like telling a woman in labor...HEY!! This is a rite of passage. No meds, suck, that, UP! Come on ppl. This is not the Civil War days when you have to get a procedure done, so bite on a piece of wood.
HOWEVER! Lol! I recently used Tattoo Numb for the first time, and this tatt was by far the WORST one pain wise, and the cream did not work. Some areas were ok, but others were awful with pain. So I agree with the young lady on here who said the pain slams you all at once oh baby yes it does! I like what my artist uses..not sure the name of it. It doesn't take the pain away but it does take the edge off. Another thing I have to mention is this...women you will love this. Men are the FIRST ones to tell a woman suck it up, it's a right of passage etc which is stupid, but yet when they get the flu, they think they are DYING!!!! Call in the family to say goodbye, and call in the priest for last rites. Yeah, uh huh. Sounds hypocritical to me!!!!
Heh. At least I can see who to not ever get a tattoo from, even if their work is excellent. I haven't used any numbing products but I'm not going to tell someone who does to "man up" or call them pussies. -_- I grew up in a shop with great artists and they never talked about their clients in this way. Your clients pay your bills and bad mouthing them is just pathetic.
It's part of the proses of getting a tattoo and you're being disrespectful from there point of view.
For those who have health conditions should not be knocked for using it. People with heart conditions for one. One with a already fast heart beat and then pain speeds it up more could do harm. Ink is not all about the high of the pain but it is also about meanings and what one is representing. It could be family or memory of a lost one. People need to look at others points of views too and stop insulting people.
mylovecanonlyseethis actually, numbing creams adversely affect ones heart, causing a significant rise in BP and heart rate. People with "heart conditions" are not advised to use it at all.
I never had it for my tattoos but due to the fact i'm an all round panicky person i've always considered using it for one of my future tattoos, I see nothing wrong with anyone using it as people go into shock when put in a lot of pain, especially if they have low pain tolerances
Used it the other day on a client & it made my life so much easier
Whether or not to use it should be discussed with your artist because if you use some without the artist knowing before it can have a reaction with your skin and therefore have an effect on the artists work. At the very least they have much more experience in knowing which numbing products are best
i think its a good idea only for the people who are deathly afraid of needles but really wanna tattoo
+jessalan king
Or people like me who are not good with pain (I don't have the world's biggest level of pain tolerance) but want a tattoo.
Ive had Aa phobia of needles since I was 8 because a doctor missed my vein 8 times in a row and it swole up. That terrified me as a kid and even tho I know needles aren't that bad my mind and body disagrees. I've wanted to get a tattoo for so long but I've never gone through with it because I don't want to start something I'm not 100% I can Finnish
I've had the spray used on me for the last hour of a 10 hour sit on my forearm. I think people who use the cream before the tattoo even starts are dumb though. Take the pain for a bit and enjoy that you are alive.
i have used numbing cream before. cz im not a pain freak. i want the image on my body NOT the pain. IMO.
How effective is it
Using it for laser treatments on my chest to lighten it up for a cover up, but never used it for tattoos. Yeah, tattoos hurt, but not that bad. Laser sucks though. I was prescribed Vicodin that didn't do shit to help the pain (even had 5 ibuprofen and ice packs), but that Dr Numb is bitchin! Glad I discovered it.
+Kurtis Tufts i am getting laser on my chest for the same reasons and i agree it sucks. i haven't used the cream, but i know what you're going through.
I sat for a total of 23,5h for my statue of liberty tattoo (final session 14,5h straight). Last hour of highlighting did hurt but we have an old swedish saying; "If you want to look nice youll have to suffer for it".
I love using numbing cream in really sensitive areas. It doesn’t make it hurt more when it wears off. I put it on at home 2 hours before my appt.
My tattoo artist uses a tattoo glide product that has lidocaine in it.
It’s not a freakin contest to see who can sit through the most pain. Enjoy your tattoo journey.
We all earn our tattoos with our blood anyway lol 😂 😆 😝
What product did you use i have been looking into the hush gel and spray as i need my back covered up from a tat i got when i was young
I used numbing spray after the lines and the shading and when she started to tattoo me again I didn't feel a thing, it was like when you have slept on your arm and you can't feel it and barely lift it up. It's like that. It was so weird and uncomfortable that I almost fainted and threw up.
What kind did you use ?
I bet you had an allergic reaction to the cream..it can make you feel a little funky..
I remember when I had the numbing cream. I have very thin blood that doesn't cloth very well and for this particular tattoo I was bleeding like shit. I didn't think much of it but my artist thought that it had to hurt immensely for some reason so he used some numbing cream. Weird feeling.
I didn't even know about numbing sprays until I had a significant amount of myself tattooed. I was getting my elbow done by a friend who IS THE SLOWEST TATTOOER IN THE WORLD! He busted it out and I was able to sit for the rest of the Tattoo. I just got a portrait done by a newer artist. After nearly 10 hours he was going in with the white and I was dying. I asked for numbing spray and he didn't have it so I tapped out. He took way longer than he said he would, but I would have held out another hour with it. So i get it if you are old school and traditional, but most tattooing in the states has become about art, not tradition or spirituality. If you're tattooing someone for over 10 hours, have it on hand ffs.
First session I didn't use one, it lasted 3 hours and a half, second session lasted 10 hours, I used numbing cream which was usefull for two hours out of those 10 so the other 8 I spent them feeling everything, the tattoo covers my entire back, and my back is pretty sensitive so there were parts on my back that actually hurt like hell. SO I think it would really depend on which part of the body and the size of the tattoo, if its a small one you've got no business using numbing cream
vizardvash What did you use?
my 5 hour thigh piece had to be numbed when he was doing the inner thigh. the inner thigh is fucking awful so he sprayed it with "bitch spray" as he put it, so I wouldn't flinch while he was finishing the details. my calf tattoo took 3 hours and hurt way worse than my thigh and i didn't ask him for it because i was able to zone out and take my mind off it. some people need it and some people don't.
I did 5 hours on my back and i started getting anxiety cuz the pain was getting worse. Tried numbing cream 2nd meeting. Still pain but less and i didnt get anxiety. The anxiety was weird
Thinking about getting my first tattoo on my left pectoral, dimensions approx. 3.5" x 3.5", mostly black & grey with minimal color. Has anyone been tattooed in that body region before and is the pain unbearable? Yes, I'm a guy w/a low threshold for pain, not ashamed to admit it, but I don't want that to stop me from getting inked. Any input would be great, thanks!
Purely due to stigma and I’ve sat for five hours without but nah... I’m struggling to complete my tattoo sleeve on my leg without it. It’s big stuff. I’m only small I’m 19 I can’t do much more than 5 hrs
What product do you use :)
No numbing cream for me! I take the tattoo pain as it is. I would just man up when I get tattooed. And love the music in the background. So relaxing.:-)
I didnt even know there was such a thing.
I've had a spray used on me before when I was getting my stomach done. Had to wait for the area to be roughed up before it could be used and it burns for a little bit but it helped. Didnt stop the pain, still sucked, but it was less intense. Plus I was having a hard time sitting still and making it hard on both myself and the artist. I took the chest pretty well, and didnt use any there, the worst is going up the sternum but it's tolerable. I'll be around my ribs soon so if any of you have had your stomach done, from lower to upper and know what that feels like, hows the ribs in comparison?
Yeah stomach sucks thinking of trying it for last couple of sessions
this video helped
Jonny Quintana response should be the only response. 👍👍
I agree with Charlie Cartwright. It is a better experience when you have to suffer through the pain, you appreciate it more.
Very rude tattoo artist, some not all. I would gladly use numbing cream. The customers are paying your bills so if they want that shit you give it to them
Personally i wont ever use numbing cream either, because:
1- It proves my commitment in getting the tattoo ( i only get tattoos that hold special meanings to me)
2- Makes every tattoo of mine an unforgettable experience
3- Just for fun but it gives me a sense of pride and manliness to have my fiancee witness how i tough out 10 hours of being pierced by needles haha
artist used bactine it works but when it wears off is more intense
There is know compertisen who can take the pain the best
My 6 hour tattoo, Jack Daniels only 😄
No pain no gain.. 😄👍🏼
0:30 hes right , its a ritual..you have to earn your keep..if you want the tatt, deal with the pain!
dannyb20 vtec but.. But... But.. We paid for the tattoo.. And I'm not polynesian or maori
Patrick Tan so what's your point? lol
dannyb20 vtec life's good
Earn your ink!
wait a sec... Yazmin and Gus actually have more clothes??? WTF!!!
Look for some parts of the body then use it
No numbing! If you can't take the pain, don't get a tattoo! (Also...when it wears off, it slams you with pain instead of eases you in.)
Okay, here's the deal... I know a lot of people come to videos like these to help get over the fear of what you perceive the Tattooing experience is going to be like... Everyone no matter what gender, height or muscle is afraid to a degree of what the pain will be like getting a tattoo at first which is more then understandable, listen I've been doing Tattoo's for 20+ plus years now... My advise, don't listen to these jokers please... You see men and women like these guys saying stupid shit like "getting a Tattoo is a spiritual accomplishment"... No... No it's not it's a person committing to detail their body to their liking, "Oh but if you can't take the pain you shouldn't have one", very unacceptable advice you just gave, firstly because how can you make that big of ignorant statement born strictly out of well... Ignorance, you have no idea what someone's life or health is like, plain and simple some can't handle the pain but does this has to mean he or she shouldn't be able to feel the joys of accomplishment of something they really want? People are scared of heights... Does this mean they have no right to confront and jump out of that plain to better help educate themselves and beat a fear all together? Fuck out of here with that bullshit. Listen, these artist are great at there jobs because they found a silver lining in their craft they find of value and comfort in, some believe it's a accomplishment of greatness, a right of passes, spiritual and some go as far as religion, base line is they found value within these sub categories that gives them foundation and a reason to progress and be better as artist and that my friends is amazing, but the moment you start knocking someone because they don't feel the same way as you, can't handle as much as you and start pushing your opinion like it's more so important and righteous on someone who's not on your level... I'm sorry but you lose credibility to me as a person, you're no better then anyone else, in fact this whole concept of pain from tattoo is a right of passage is the equivalent of a body builder... And I'm talking the extreme meat heads who go fucking crazy and over board... They come across as assholes, why be a asshole to someone not on you're level when you can provide them with a fun memory their always remember with that tattoo? Don't call someone a pussy for using whatever method they feel they need to appreciate something they can feel proud of for life... Type of low life locks down on another thinking their better because they endured said level of pain?
You come to my shop and I'll treat you like a human being, your afraid to get one done... No problem, I'll talk you through it, couch you through it... Allow you to experience a different point of view, not make you feel like shit. If you need to use cream to numb the area that's fine by me, let's just create something of value to you
Do you know any good brands to use i am getting a cover up done on my back and because of the size of the first tat the cover up is going to take up quite a large amount of my back im aanting to try out some cream if it gets to much for me
I don't consider anyone who uses the numbing cream as tattooed.
Lmao, You should never use it on you first tattoos, but if you are doing a big piece and it helps you the last hour then go for it