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Cannot loose if we invest in either and additional players in the market. It might be the third or fourth player that captures market share in the subsequent decades.
This is absolutely true and people should take that to heart. NetScape and Yahoo used to be the internet darlings because they were the biggest in the beginning. Now look at them. Initial success doesn't make you the industry leader.
Congratulations on picking two of the top start up eVTOL companies, Joby Aviation and Archer Aviation. I have been to their headquarters operations and Silicon Valley twice and have visited them on on-site presentations. In a new book published in May,ml Dude, where’s my flying car? Archer and Joe Orr both sided two of the top three most likely to succeed in this industry. There are 22 different VTOL companies featured. These are definitely two of the standouts.
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Joby is working with and is funded by the DoD. Their aircraft is extremely quiet, now think about why the DoD would be interested in almost silent vtol aircraft. They might not be the "sky taxi" in 30 years but they are 100% going places. Cool video.
@Lost_Hwasal Joby has a limited application profile. IF it ends up being cheaper than a helicopter already in use, of course the DoD would be interested. First Joby will have to prove it's reliably safe. It's recent crash isn't selling dependability to the top brass nonetheless prove it can carry weapon grade armaments safely or reliably
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@@EarthCreature. Joby has delivered 2 acft to the USAF, ACHR has delivered 1, also good. Joby's "recent" crash was 2.5 years ago and that's almost ALWAYS a thing during testing. Joby is significantly further along with testing, approvals and certs.....but I still like and own all 3
@Lost_Hwasal Great point! Joby's partnership with the DoD definitely hints at more than just commercial urban air mobility. The almost silent operation could have significant defense applications, making Joby’s technology versatile beyond just sky taxis. It’s clear they’re building something with long-term potential in multiple sectors. Glad you enjoyed the video-thanks for watching!
@oddbirdinohio Absolutely! Archer is also making strides with its partnership with the Air Force, showing that eVTOLs have a role beyond just urban mobility. Their use for inter-base operations highlights the versatility of this technology. It’ll be exciting to see how both Joby and Archer shape the future in both commercial and defense sectors!
@5583mort It’s going to be exciting to see how these investments take off as the market for eVTOLs expands. Wishing you the best with your portfolio as the industry grows!
Totally agree-competition definitely drives innovation and helps build a stronger ecosystem! Joby’s a solid choice, and it’ll be exciting to see how both companies contribute to the future of air mobility.
@@EarthCreature. I understand how bad you want Lilium to win. Unfortunately, they are too slow developing the product and getting licensing and speed is irrelevant for short distances air travel. Good luck with it.
Thanks for sharing your insight! 🙌 With your background in aerospace and composites, it's great to hear your vote goes to Joby. They’ve certainly made impressive strides in the eVTOL space. It’ll be interesting to see how things unfold as both companies push forward. Appreciate your input, and thanks for watching!
After flying old tech fixed wing aircraft, I would love to try out the Joby aircraft. Combines fix wing with helicopter without difficult transition learning.
@TarazZpilot That sounds awesome! The Joby eVTOL definitely offers a unique experience, blending the benefits of both fixed-wing flight and helicopter-like vertical takeoff. I can imagine that the smooth transition without the steep learning curve would be a game-changer for pilots like yourself. It’s exciting to think about how this tech will shape the future of flying and make it more accessible for both experienced pilots and newcomers. Trying out a Joby aircraft would be a whole new way of experiencing the skies!
I say JOBY is better than Archer. Joby has more range, goes faster, quieter, more efficient design utilizing all their motors and props for lift and forward flight (no dead weight in forward flight), they are ahead on FAA certifications, partnered with Toyota (the king of quality and efficient auto manufacturing) and its $3.7 billion market cap to Archers $1.1 billion market cap tells you where investors are putting their money.
@@Discover.Aviation Because Delta got to Joby first. Cathie Wood is horrible investor. She sold all the Nvida stock in 2022 right before it went parabolic. Her ETF funds are less today than they were in 2019.
Amazing companies. I think both will be very successful since the market is huge. However, I think both companies can have designs improved. Safety would be number 1 if to fly inside cities, noise would be number 2, size would be number 3, comfort would be number 4, cost and ease of maintenance would be number 5. Each company has unique advantages.
@HungryAlienWorms You make some excellent points! Both Joby and Archer have the potential to succeed in this massive market, but there’s always room for improvement, especially in key areas like safety, noise reduction, and design. Safety is definitely critical for flying in urban environments, and noise levels will be a big factor in public acceptance. Plus, optimizing size, comfort, and maintenance costs will help both companies stand out as they scale. Each of them has unique strengths, and it’ll be interesting to see how they evolve as the eVTOL market grows!
A new class action lawsuit was filed against Archer. It points out that there is no evidence or communication that Maker ever achieved its design speed of 150mph and its range of 60 miles. The lawsuit got very little publicity. We downloaded the documents and had a look at what is going on. th-cam.com/video/JpYbQKrYIdU/w-d-xo.html
@StopCensoringOk Great observation! 💡 While Joby has more institutional investors overall, the fact that Archer has a higher percentage of institutional ownership (59.34% vs. Joby’s 16.29%) does say something about how investors are distributing their confidence. It’s definitely interesting to follow the money-both companies have their own strengths and are positioning themselves differently in the market. Ultimately, it’ll be exciting to see how their investments translate into real-world success!
@@Discover.Aviation thanks for the reply. We began buying ACHR at $3.05. It’s an exciting new era for air travel. I really see a huge future for what these companies are building. Love the channel.
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I like them both along with LILM but Joby is far ahead of the others. I own all 3, may even buy more with the recent drops, I just need one of them to "take off" pun intended.
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It’s definitely a mixed bag! Lilium seems to spark strong opinions on both sides. Some people are excited about their ambitious tech and design, while others are skeptical about the challenges they face. It’ll be interesting to see how they address those concerns as they move forward. What’s your take on Lilium?
"Lion's share" eh? How many evtols have been delivered in this 'market'? Check out the Crisalion ,an evtol that is even crazier than the lily ( and an even sillier made up name that includes lion deliberately)
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@@bobcostas5094 Joby has almost 1 billion in cash, they are good for a while plus they have a govt contract. Achr also has a gov't contract but not sure about available cash. Japan and Delta plus Dubai are backing Joby, Achr has United and some others.
Archer is too far behind Joby. If my memory doesn't fail me, Archer had just done the transition flying for the first time at the speed of +100mph last month.
@@MrStefangyro mass production next year is only a plan. until and unless Archer has obtained all necessary cert from FAA, they can't produce anything.
@@MrCat852 Uneducated, you can get Certification from many different countries If you have the data. For example Archer is also getting Certification from middle East countries. So there are many different avenues to sell this Aircraft or use it. From military to Airtaxi. And there is regulation that can be used to speed up the progress. For example many Evtols are applying to Asian countries some already have Certification.
@@MrStefangyro calm down. My reply to you confined to your statement that " Archer... will start to massproduce this year" . What you meant is not prototype but final version. If you really think Archer is in a position to do so within THIS YEAR, you are nothing but naive
Lilium is definitely a strong contender with its unique approach to eVTOL technology! Their focus on longer routes and jet-like design sets them apart. It’ll be interesting to see how they stack up against Joby and Archer in the future of aviation. Check out this video on Lillium th-cam.com/video/YcKulYxiAL4/w-d-xo.html
@lavantesfranklin9196 Nah. Lilium is the future of aviation. Not these 2 limited use startups. The Joby queens profess it's quieter now but an electronic octopus of rotary is only going to end up loud out there no matter what
@@EarthCreature. I'm not sure why you seem biased toward Lilium. Can you provide the data to support this preference? Also, why is speed a concern for a shorter distance air commute? The main issue isn't how fast the eVTOL flies, but rather how quickly passengers can board the air taxi without long waits, similar to the wait times at airports. For short distances, the speed of the air taxi is less relevant.
It is interesting, isn’t it? Toyota was cautious with electric cars for a while, but their investment in electric aviation shows they see huge potential in the future of air mobility. It’s a sign that they’re betting big on eVTOL technology as a game-changer. What do you think made them shift gears?
Toyota has been marketing the MIRAI as a fuel cell vehicle (which obtains electricity through a chemical reaction between hydrogen and oxygen), but it has been a poor seller due to its high price and very few hydrogen stations. Finally, a product that can take advantage of this fuel cell technology is now available, allowing the company to recoup its investment of many years.
Uh... what? Archer's mainline aircraft is the Midnight.. which you show in the video multiple times yet only mentioned their demonstrator aircraft and its specs.. The video information is less than useful as a result.
I don’t know what’s so useless when they’ll be doing air taxi services in 2025. They didn’t build a huge manufacturing plant in Georgia for their EV’s for nothing
@@willfitz94No Archer will not be doing anything in 2025. JOBY is the only one in stage 4 out of 5 in FAA testing. Archer has to redesign their aircraft because it failed a stage of testing. They are at minimum 2 to 3 years away from possibly launching.
@@willfitz94 FAA certified to operate as a commercial airline. But the Midnight aircraft itself? No, that is years away from certification. What good is the commercial certification. Without an aircraft??? JOBY is the closest to getting a EVTOL aircraft certified for commercial use.
@@bronxishomenomatterwhereig3149 you say years away yet they’re commercializing in 2025 at major airports in the US. Also it has no set backs in the FAA certifaction for the midnight aircraft.
@naumanali6136 Good point! Archer’s smaller market cap compared to Joby definitely means there’s potentially more upside as they grow. With all their recent developments and partnerships, Archer could be well-positioned for significant gains as the eVTOL market expands. It’ll be interesting to see how both companies scale and capture market share in the coming years!
A very superficial look with no mention of commercial viability. How do you provide low seat-mile costs with a four seat aircraft that costs $1B to $2B to develop? Conventional takeoff aircraft cost far, far less to develop, operate from the many small airfields that already exist and can satisfy a market for cross country ‘thin’ routes. Also 400km range vs 200km (at best).
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development is always expensive, new products are always expensive.....look at flat screen TVs 20 years ago.
You bring up some solid points! The high development costs and relatively short range of eVTOLs like Joby and Archer do raise questions about commercial viability, especially compared to conventional aircraft. However, eVTOLs aim to revolutionize urban air mobility, focusing on short trips within cities where infrastructure is limited and conventional aircraft aren't as practical. The real test will be how well they scale and reduce operating costs over time. It’s definitely a challenging road ahead.
Lilium is definitely a strong contender with its unique approach to eVTOL technology! Their focus on longer routes and jet-like design sets them apart. It’ll be interesting to see how they stack up against Joby and Archer in the future of aviation. Check out this video on Lillium th-cam.com/video/YcKulYxiAL4/w-d-xo.html
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@@Discover.Aviation Archer n Joby, particularly Joby is much further ahead
Thanks for sharing! You're right-Archer's over $3 billion in orders and partnerships with Southwest and United show they're a strong player in the eVTOL space. Excited to see how these partnerships shape the future of urban air mobility!
@csilt Joby’s aircraft definitely has a sleek, futuristic design! 🚁 It’s clear that they’ve put a lot of thought into both aesthetics and functionality, which really makes it stand out. That smooth, fixed-wing look combined with eVTOL tech gives it a unique presence. While Archer is focusing more on efficiency and urban-friendly features, Joby’s design is all about pushing boundaries. It’s exciting to see these different approaches in the eVTOL space!
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Embraer (Eve) of course. Neither cia have ever produced a plane ✈️. Embraer made more than 30 different planes over 55 years. Else Eve has almost 3000 pre-orders. 40% of the market
In 2021, I started small positions in both Joby and Lilium. But after looking closer for few more months, I think Lilium may be a scam. Just google Lilium evtol prototype damaged 2020 & Lilium controversy.
@robakke Lilium is definitely a strong contender with its unique approach to eVTOL technology! Their focus on longer routes and jet-like design sets them apart. It’ll be interesting to see how they stack up against Joby and Archer in the future of aviation. Check out this video on Lilium to learn more: Watch here.
Lilium is definitely a strong contender with its unique approach to eVTOL technology! Their focus on longer routes and jet-like design sets them apart. It’ll be interesting to see how they stack up against Joby and Archer in the future of aviation. Check out this video on Lillium th-cam.com/video/YcKulYxiAL4/w-d-xo.html
@ali460ful Joby can't scale up whether these Joby queens admit it or not. Why fly slow when you can see companies like Sakuu unleashing metal-frre solid state 750-1000 wh/l energy dense batteries. Lilium already has a six-seater that can provide meaningful regional air mobility with the quietest use profile(that gives Lilium reach into all marketing applications anywhere air mo ility would apply. Not to mention the complications of a hydrogen hybrid mean that it's got a high yield critical failure application in crash risks. Even dendritic meltdowns in metal batteries have limited fire risks in a worse case scenario. Joby already crashed recently, mind you
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@mcgovney6969 While helicopters are great, eVTOLs like Joby and Archer’s aircraft offer two big advantages: significantly lower fuel costs since they’re electric, and much cheaper operating costs per seat, making air mobility more affordable. It’ll be interesting to see how this plays out as the tech evolves!
I have suggested to some workers at Joby and arrow that they should have a safety design. First of all your in the sky at high altitude and the unexpected happens… What would happen if you were landing full force from a few thousand feet? Basically it’s not safe at all and even small commercial airplanes could use a parachute design for free landing. Sometimes people’s safety is key in design.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Safety is a key focus for eVTOL companies like Joby and Archer. They’re already integrating redundant propulsion systems and advanced flight controls to handle emergencies. The idea of a parachute system is interesting-some aircraft already use it, and it could be something we see more of as the technology evolves. Your input on safety is crucial as these designs progress!
I'm just an amateur, but here's my idea. In helicopter mode (rotors facing upwards), even if the power is cut off, this eVTOL will descend like a parachute using the same autorotation as a helicopter, allowing it to make a soft landing. However, when the power is turned off and the rotors are not pointing straight up, they must be manually pointed upwards. For example, there could be a lever on the ceiling, and when you pull it, it pulls cables to point the six rotors upwards...
@@軍曹-n6j I was thinking about an internal parachute on the electric propulsion system. Self rewinding parachutes on (4 propellers) Which can deploy by sensors or self activation
Neither, As Helicopters already have low disc loading and high hover efficiency. For urban transport focus should be on reducing the noise level of the rotors. A Heli Gyro hybrid architecture can be looked into. Also auto gyration introduces a passive and reliable layer of safety.
Lol! And are WAAAAAYYYY more expensive to operate. Helicopters WON'T be competing anytime soon with ground-based transportation for LARGE SCALE consumer market share anytime soon as a result. Also, there is a high probability that battery technology will double in capacity every 18 months, doubling the range of EVTOL aircraft in turn. Conventional helicopters won't be able to keep up.
Bell and Boeing both made demonstrators. Super expensive and didn't bring radical transformation of abilities or safety. Earlier this year they were both rejected by the army in favor or souped up, cheaper versions of current helicopters.
Lilium is definitely a strong contender with its unique approach to eVTOL technology! Their focus on longer routes and jet-like design sets them apart. It’ll be interesting to see how they stack up against Joby and Archer in the future of aviation. Check out this video on Lillium th-cam.com/video/YcKulYxiAL4/w-d-xo.html
They should have a parachutes for more safety fly in case batteries or energy fail and some extinguisher in case or fire ,that taxi will fly over population and buildings. Do they have that devices ???
Great question! Safety is a huge priority for eVTOLs like Joby and Archer. While they don’t have parachutes, they are designed with multiple redundant systems, so if one battery or motor fails, others can take over. Both companies are working on extensive safety features, and fire suppression systems are also being considered to ensure safe flights over populated areas. Safety standards are still evolving, so we’ll likely see even more innovations in this area!
@@bronxishomenomatterwhereig3149 it means much ... and it works good . I would say it is something different. Lilium is more a normal aircraft the others is more a drohne
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not a good way to plug your stock when you have no facts....but I also own LILM
Lilium and all the others is a risk .... but the stocks it is cheap. I would never invest much money into a risky stock but a little bit .and it is just a feeling that lilium is good . But I think thay will sell the company .... and what happen than we will see.
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@@nik1522 I own Lilm, Joby and Achr, I hope they all take off. Lilm is the cheapest of the 3 but that's not always a good thing
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There will be multiple winners as there's about 25 companies jockeying now. Lillium has some fundamental engineering limitations though and it remains to be seen whether they'll be overcome before running out of money. Powertrain and electric engines being the key problems.
@oddbirdinohio Incorrect. Lilium has the quietest noise profile that gives them full access to all urban mobility expansion, the most efficiently engineered & its already in worldwide demand. There's only 4 reasonably competitive companies that exist and only 1 of them is superior in performance, cost & safety.
@@EarthCreature. I guess you don’t pay attention much to the news? Lilium is certainly a frontline contender. Buts it’s in an emerging industry of the dying and in the middle of an unforgiving market. Their runway to survival is short and in a bit of an emergency. Their aircraft are super cool and appealing for a variety of reasons, but they don’t fly because of retail investor conviction. Though lowering interest rates help. There’s a few fundamental reasons it’s a penny stock when others arent which don’t bode well for it. As a relatively successful investor in several start ups so far. I will submit to you that, regardless of your beliefs, the ‘best products’ don’t always win. And even Lilium itself has openly said they can’t find batteries good enough currently to achieve their originally stated performance goals. This has not changed in 2024 and they’ve stated for 2 years they’re trying to create their own higher standard and so far nothing to show on that front. The farnsborough air show was last week so this is very up to date. Business and management ain’t that simple as your jet is super cool and quieter than baby farts. Lilium is doing alright, but unless they keep diluting or suddenly meet their delayed milestones and scale to production they’ll dry up and die. 40% dilution in shares this year alone. There is hope that they’ll announce a loan from German govt soon. Not to mention they already have a Chinese doppelgänger company seeking to undercut their deals and surely stealing their IP. They have until 2025 Q1 to make revenue happen (it won’t) or they continue diluting a lot if they can. Or they’re dead. Period. They are fighting it seems. It’s not a zombie firm yet. I’m also an investor in this company and archer and I’ve at least doubled my money in both thus far already. I of course would very much like that to be more. But a dose of realism and caution is warranted. Would be stoked if they all did well or one did really well. But I’ve have the life experience of watching too many firms (automotive, rocket, solar) especially European companies, run dry and dead in the open market before they ever make a real impact.
@EarthCreature Lilium is definitely a strong contender with its unique approach to eVTOL technology! Their focus on longer routes and jet-like design sets them apart. It’ll be interesting to see how they stack up against Joby and Archer in the future of aviation. Check out this video on Lilium to learn more: Watch here.
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Cannot loose if we invest in either and additional players in the market. It might be the third or fourth player that captures market share in the subsequent decades.
That's what I'm doing, invest in Joby, Archer, Eve, Lillium, eHang, Xpeng.
This is absolutely true and people should take that to heart. NetScape and Yahoo used to be the internet darlings because they were the biggest in the beginning.
Now look at them. Initial success doesn't make you the industry leader.
Congratulations on picking two of the top start up eVTOL companies, Joby Aviation and Archer Aviation. I have been to their headquarters operations and Silicon Valley twice and have visited them on on-site presentations. In a new book published in May,ml Dude, where’s my flying car? Archer and Joe Orr both sided two of the top three most likely to succeed in this industry. There are 22 different VTOL companies featured. These are definitely two of the standouts.
@@timjackson9106 Lilium is the superior eVTOL. These two startups have limited use profiles & don't scale up
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Joby is working with and is funded by the DoD. Their aircraft is extremely quiet, now think about why the DoD would be interested in almost silent vtol aircraft. They might not be the "sky taxi" in 30 years but they are 100% going places. Cool video.
This is also true about archer. The Air Force has already purchased their aircraft for inter-base operations.
@Lost_Hwasal Joby has a limited application profile. IF it ends up being cheaper than a helicopter already in use, of course the DoD would be interested. First Joby will have to prove it's reliably safe. It's recent crash isn't selling dependability to the top brass nonetheless prove it can carry weapon grade armaments safely or reliably
@@EarthCreature. Joby has delivered 2 acft to the USAF, ACHR has delivered 1, also good. Joby's "recent" crash was 2.5 years ago and that's almost ALWAYS a thing during testing. Joby is significantly further along with testing, approvals and certs.....but I still like and own all 3
@Lost_Hwasal Great point! Joby's partnership with the DoD definitely hints at more than just commercial urban air mobility. The almost silent operation could have significant defense applications, making Joby’s technology versatile beyond just sky taxis. It’s clear they’re building something with long-term potential in multiple sectors. Glad you enjoyed the video-thanks for watching!
@oddbirdinohio Absolutely! Archer is also making strides with its partnership with the Air Force, showing that eVTOLs have a role beyond just urban mobility. Their use for inter-base operations highlights the versatility of this technology. It’ll be exciting to see how both Joby and Archer shape the future in both commercial and defense sectors!
Joby will win because their aircraft are smaller, fly further and will cost less to build and operate.
And are quite
Joby, Archer and Lillian are in my portfolio.
@5583mort It’s going to be exciting to see how these investments take off as the market for eVTOLs expands. Wishing you the best with your portfolio as the industry grows!
Joby's concept seems the most efficient since none of the props & motors become parasitic dead weight after transition.
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Both! Competition is good. Competition co-creates a larger ecosystem. This future business ecosystem is massive. But, I'm only invested in Joby.
Totally agree-competition definitely drives innovation and helps build a stronger ecosystem! Joby’s a solid choice, and it’ll be exciting to see how both companies contribute to the future of air mobility.
Joby can fly over 500 miles with their new hydrogen-electric system
@@kenjues1594 joby can crash, maybe
@@EarthCreature. anything can.
Who whants a hydrogen electric system ...?
@@kenjues1594 Joby can crash... again... already... maybe
@@EarthCreature. I understand how bad you want Lilium to win. Unfortunately, they are too slow developing the product and getting licensing and speed is irrelevant for short distances air travel. Good luck with it.
I worked in aerospace with a strong background in composites. Following Evtol for several years, my vote goes to Joby.
Thanks for sharing your insight! 🙌 With your background in aerospace and composites, it's great to hear your vote goes to Joby. They’ve certainly made impressive strides in the eVTOL space. It’ll be interesting to see how things unfold as both companies push forward. Appreciate your input, and thanks for watching!
recently Saudi Arabia just signed a contract for 100 units of Lilium evtol...
Middle East is very keen to grab the opportunity in becoming the eVTOL hub. A video is coming very soon on our channel.
After flying old tech fixed wing aircraft, I would love to try out the Joby aircraft. Combines fix wing with helicopter without difficult transition learning.
@TarazZpilot That sounds awesome! The Joby eVTOL definitely offers a unique experience, blending the benefits of both fixed-wing flight and helicopter-like vertical takeoff. I can imagine that the smooth transition without the steep learning curve would be a game-changer for pilots like yourself. It’s exciting to think about how this tech will shape the future of flying and make it more accessible for both experienced pilots and newcomers. Trying out a Joby aircraft would be a whole new way of experiencing the skies!
I say JOBY is better than Archer. Joby has more range, goes faster, quieter, more efficient design utilizing all their motors and props for lift and forward flight (no dead weight in forward flight), they are ahead on FAA certifications, partnered with Toyota (the king of quality and efficient auto manufacturing) and its $3.7 billion market cap to Archers $1.1 billion market cap tells you where investors are putting their money.
Thanks for your comment. But then why did United invested in Archer instead of Joby and Why is Cathie Wood obsessed with Archer ?
@@Discover.Aviation Because Delta got to Joby first.
Cathie Wood is horrible investor. She sold all the Nvida stock in 2022 right before it went parabolic. Her ETF funds are less today than they were in 2019.
Amazing companies. I think both will be very successful since the market is huge. However, I think both companies can have designs improved. Safety would be number 1 if to fly inside cities, noise would be number 2, size would be number 3, comfort would be number 4, cost and ease of maintenance would be number 5. Each company has unique advantages.
@HungryAlienWorms You make some excellent points! Both Joby and Archer have the potential to succeed in this massive market, but there’s always room for improvement, especially in key areas like safety, noise reduction, and design. Safety is definitely critical for flying in urban environments, and noise levels will be a big factor in public acceptance. Plus, optimizing size, comfort, and maintenance costs will help both companies stand out as they scale. Each of them has unique strengths, and it’ll be interesting to see how they evolve as the eVTOL market grows!
A new class action lawsuit was filed against Archer. It points out that there is no evidence or communication that Maker ever achieved its design speed of 150mph and its range of 60 miles. The lawsuit got very little publicity. We downloaded the documents and had a look at what is going on. th-cam.com/video/JpYbQKrYIdU/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for this valuable piece of information.
Archer has 356 institutional investors.
Joby has 428. However
Institutional ownership
59.34% Archer
16.29% Joby
Follow the money.
@StopCensoringOk Great observation! 💡 While Joby has more institutional investors overall, the fact that Archer has a higher percentage of institutional ownership (59.34% vs. Joby’s 16.29%) does say something about how investors are distributing their confidence. It’s definitely interesting to follow the money-both companies have their own strengths and are positioning themselves differently in the market. Ultimately, it’ll be exciting to see how their investments translate into real-world success!
@@Discover.Aviation thanks for the reply. We began buying ACHR at $3.05. It’s an exciting new era for air travel. I really see a huge future for what these companies are building. Love the channel.
I like them both along with LILM but Joby is far ahead of the others. I own all 3, may even buy more with the recent drops, I just need one of them to "take off" pun intended.
Indeed Lilium jets are super cool and many are exicted for it to hit the market.
No mention of Archer Aviations Midnight EVTOL
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it depends on the distance covered. Lilium is a strong competitor as well.
Indeed it is !
But nickle is needed too and scarce
Good video mate!
Glad you enjoyed it !
There's plenty of room for both companies and that's just in the U.S.A.@@Discover.Aviation
It’s interesting to see so many Lilium fans here, but reading comments on Lilium videos there are so many Lilium haters! What’s up with that?
people trying to plug their stock, nothing else.
basically targeting the most beautiful project because they bet on Joby and Archer stocks...
@@butcck i hope they get that German loan
It’s definitely a mixed bag! Lilium seems to spark strong opinions on both sides. Some people are excited about their ambitious tech and design, while others are skeptical about the challenges they face. It’ll be interesting to see how they address those concerns as they move forward. What’s your take on Lilium?
Lilium is the latin name for the plant genus including lilies in English but also tulips.
Look up one other word ,"Tulipmania"
@@rossnolan7283 That's not even remotely clever. You certainly won't be undoing Lilium's lionshare of the market anytime soon.
"Lion's share" eh? How many evtols have been delivered in this 'market'? Check out the Crisalion ,an evtol that is even crazier than the lily ( and an even sillier made up name that includes lion deliberately)
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@Discover.Aviation please also cover EH.
Sure. we will.
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Lilium is the future
@@lupus_nocte 👎😂
Lilium is a real game changer.
they all likely are
If they don’t run out of cash before then.
@@bobcostas5094 Joby has almost 1 billion in cash, they are good for a while plus they have a govt contract. Achr also has a gov't contract but not sure about available cash. Japan and Delta plus Dubai are backing Joby, Achr has United and some others.
Archer is too far behind Joby. If my memory doesn't fail me, Archer had just done the transition flying for the first time at the speed of +100mph last month.
Archer is Safer, and will start to massproduce this year. And getting certification to fly in multiple countries.
@@MrStefangyro mass production next year is only a plan. until and unless Archer has obtained all necessary cert from FAA, they can't produce anything.
@@MrCat852
Uneducated,
you can get Certification from many different countries
If you have the data.
For example Archer is also getting Certification from middle East countries.
So there are many different avenues to sell this Aircraft or use it.
From military to Airtaxi.
And there is regulation that can be used to speed up the progress.
For example many Evtols are applying to Asian countries some already have Certification.
@@MrStefangyro calm down. My reply to you confined to your statement that " Archer... will start to massproduce this year" .
What you meant is not prototype but final version.
If you really think Archer is in a position to do so within THIS YEAR, you are nothing but naive
@@MrCat852 Joby has more money
But Archer is safer due to redundancy therefore a quicker process for Certification and more value.
Lilium is the answer!
Ducted fans aren’t nearly as efficient as propellers.
@@bobcostas5094 not in the starting but during flight
subscribe the project. Lilium concept has many advantages and is being complete in a consistent and safe approach. and its by far the most beautiful
Lilium is definitely a strong contender with its unique approach to eVTOL technology! Their focus on longer routes and jet-like design sets them apart. It’ll be interesting to see how they stack up against Joby and Archer in the future of aviation. Check out this video on Lillium th-cam.com/video/YcKulYxiAL4/w-d-xo.html
Just buy stock in both of them !
you might want to check out EH
@lavantesfranklin9196 Nah. Lilium is the future of aviation. Not these 2 limited use startups. The Joby queens profess it's quieter now but an electronic octopus of rotary is only going to end up loud out there no matter what
@@EarthCreature. I'm not sure why you seem biased toward Lilium. Can you provide the data to support this preference? Also, why is speed a concern for a shorter distance air commute? The main issue isn't how fast the eVTOL flies, but rather how quickly passengers can board the air taxi without long waits, similar to the wait times at airports. For short distances, the speed of the air taxi is less relevant.
@@kenjues1594CCP bro
@@hisokamorow8388 so what. I try to be unbias. Political ideology is shit
Strange how TOYOTA kicked back against electric vehicles for many years but now invest heavily in electric aviation 😂
2 completely different things
It is interesting, isn’t it? Toyota was cautious with electric cars for a while, but their investment in electric aviation shows they see huge potential in the future of air mobility. It’s a sign that they’re betting big on eVTOL technology as a game-changer. What do you think made them shift gears?
Toyota has been marketing the MIRAI as a fuel cell vehicle (which obtains electricity through a chemical reaction between hydrogen and oxygen), but it has been a poor seller due to its high price and very few hydrogen stations.
Finally, a product that can take advantage of this fuel cell technology is now available, allowing the company to recoup its investment of many years.
Uh... what? Archer's mainline aircraft is the Midnight.. which you show in the video multiple times yet only mentioned their demonstrator aircraft and its specs.. The video information is less than useful as a result.
I don’t know what’s so useless when they’ll be doing air taxi services in 2025. They didn’t build a huge manufacturing plant in Georgia for their EV’s for nothing
@@willfitz94No Archer will not be doing anything in 2025. JOBY is the only one in stage 4 out of 5 in FAA testing. Archer has to redesign their aircraft because it failed a stage of testing. They are at minimum 2 to 3 years away from possibly launching.
@@bronxishomenomatterwhereig3149 They were actually FAA certified like months back what rock you living under
@@willfitz94 FAA certified to operate as a commercial airline. But the Midnight aircraft itself? No, that is years away from certification. What good is the commercial certification. Without an aircraft???
JOBY is the closest to getting a EVTOL aircraft certified for commercial use.
@@bronxishomenomatterwhereig3149 you say years away yet they’re commercializing in 2025 at major airports in the US. Also it has no set backs in the FAA certifaction for the midnight aircraft.
Archer is .25 market cap of joby, way more upside potential
@naumanali6136 Good point! Archer’s smaller market cap compared to Joby definitely means there’s potentially more upside as they grow. With all their recent developments and partnerships, Archer could be well-positioned for significant gains as the eVTOL market expands. It’ll be interesting to see how both companies scale and capture market share in the coming years!
A very superficial look with no mention of commercial viability. How do you provide low seat-mile costs with a four seat aircraft that costs $1B to $2B to develop? Conventional takeoff aircraft cost far, far less to develop, operate from the many small airfields that already exist and can satisfy a market for cross country ‘thin’ routes. Also 400km range vs 200km (at best).
development is always expensive, new products are always expensive.....look at flat screen TVs 20 years ago.
You bring up some solid points! The high development costs and relatively short range of eVTOLs like Joby and Archer do raise questions about commercial viability, especially compared to conventional aircraft. However, eVTOLs aim to revolutionize urban air mobility, focusing on short trips within cities where infrastructure is limited and conventional aircraft aren't as practical. The real test will be how well they scale and reduce operating costs over time. It’s definitely a challenging road ahead.
Lilium looks better
Joby is much further along...but I also own LILM
Lilium is definitely a strong contender with its unique approach to eVTOL technology! Their focus on longer routes and jet-like design sets them apart. It’ll be interesting to see how they stack up against Joby and Archer in the future of aviation. Check out this video on Lillium th-cam.com/video/YcKulYxiAL4/w-d-xo.html
@@Discover.Aviation Archer n Joby, particularly Joby is much further ahead
Joby is linked to Delta Airlines
and United
I own both and archer has 3+ billion in order books. They’re partnered with southwest and United also has large order for archer.
Thanks for sharing! You're right-Archer's over $3 billion in orders and partnerships with Southwest and United show they're a strong player in the eVTOL space. Excited to see how these partnerships shape the future of urban air mobility!
Jobys aircraft looks so much better
@csilt Joby’s aircraft definitely has a sleek, futuristic design! 🚁 It’s clear that they’ve put a lot of thought into both aesthetics and functionality, which really makes it stand out. That smooth, fixed-wing look combined with eVTOL tech gives it a unique presence. While Archer is focusing more on efficiency and urban-friendly features, Joby’s design is all about pushing boundaries. It’s exciting to see these different approaches in the eVTOL space!
flagship aircraft for archer should be midnights
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Embraer (Eve) of course. Neither cia have ever produced a plane ✈️. Embraer made more than 30 different planes over 55 years. Else Eve has almost 3000 pre-orders. 40% of the market
Indeed EVE is not behind. You'll see a video on it very soon.
One word: Lilium
In 2021, I started small positions in both Joby and Lilium. But after looking closer for few more months, I think Lilium may be a scam. Just google Lilium evtol prototype damaged 2020 & Lilium controversy.
Agreed! I feel Joby will trail blaze the path, but the Lilium “Jet” will conquer the market eventually.
@robakke Lilium is definitely a strong contender with its unique approach to eVTOL technology! Their focus on longer routes and jet-like design sets them apart. It’ll be interesting to see how they stack up against Joby and Archer in the future of aviation. Check out this video on Lilium to learn more: Watch here.
Lilium
Lilium is definitely a strong contender with its unique approach to eVTOL technology! Their focus on longer routes and jet-like design sets them apart. It’ll be interesting to see how they stack up against Joby and Archer in the future of aviation. Check out this video on Lillium th-cam.com/video/YcKulYxiAL4/w-d-xo.html
The main evtol of archer is the midget. And he can carry 4 passengers and have 150 km rang , maker is the small one.
Joby can fly over 500 miles
Joby up 500 miles
@ali460ful Joby can't scale up whether these Joby queens admit it or not. Why fly slow when you can see companies like Sakuu unleashing metal-frre solid state 750-1000 wh/l energy dense batteries. Lilium already has a six-seater that can provide meaningful regional air mobility with the quietest use profile(that gives Lilium reach into all marketing applications anywhere air mo ility would apply. Not to mention the complications of a hydrogen hybrid mean that it's got a high yield critical failure application in crash risks. Even dendritic meltdowns in metal batteries have limited fire risks in a worse case scenario. Joby already crashed recently, mind you
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I have both stocks
same along with LILM, good luck
Good investment. We hope the best for all eVTOL companies.
I'll take a helicopter.
Good luck Kobe
You can't afford one. This is actually gonna be something we can afford. Do your research
@mcgovney6969 While helicopters are great, eVTOLs like Joby and Archer’s aircraft offer two big advantages: significantly lower fuel costs since they’re electric, and much cheaper operating costs per seat, making air mobility more affordable. It’ll be interesting to see how this plays out as the tech evolves!
I have suggested to some workers at Joby and arrow that they should have a safety design.
First of all your in the sky at high altitude and the unexpected happens…
What would happen if you were landing full force from a few thousand feet?
Basically it’s not safe at all and even small commercial airplanes could use a parachute design for free landing.
Sometimes people’s safety is key in design.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Safety is a key focus for eVTOL companies like Joby and Archer. They’re already integrating redundant propulsion systems and advanced flight controls to handle emergencies. The idea of a parachute system is interesting-some aircraft already use it, and it could be something we see more of as the technology evolves. Your input on safety is crucial as these designs progress!
I'm just an amateur, but here's my idea.
In helicopter mode (rotors facing upwards),
even if the power is cut off, this eVTOL will descend like a parachute using the same autorotation as a helicopter, allowing it to make a soft landing.
However, when the power is turned off and the rotors are not pointing straight up, they must be manually pointed upwards.
For example, there could be a lever on the ceiling, and when you pull it, it pulls cables to point the six rotors upwards...
@@軍曹-n6j I was thinking about an internal parachute on the electric propulsion system. Self rewinding parachutes on (4 propellers)
Which can deploy by sensors or self activation
Neither, As Helicopters already have low disc loading and high hover efficiency. For urban transport focus should be on reducing the noise level of the rotors. A Heli Gyro hybrid architecture can be looked into. Also auto gyration introduces a passive and reliable layer of safety.
Lol! And are WAAAAAYYYY more expensive to operate. Helicopters WON'T be competing anytime soon with ground-based transportation for LARGE SCALE consumer market share anytime soon as a result. Also, there is a high probability that battery technology will double in capacity every 18 months, doubling the range of EVTOL aircraft in turn. Conventional helicopters won't be able to keep up.
Bell and Boeing both made demonstrators. Super expensive and didn't bring radical transformation of abilities or safety. Earlier this year they were both rejected by the army in favor or souped up, cheaper versions of current helicopters.
@@pruthvirajgatkul1046 Neither is correct. Lilium is the superior of these 2
#Lilium
Lilium is definitely a strong contender with its unique approach to eVTOL technology! Their focus on longer routes and jet-like design sets them apart. It’ll be interesting to see how they stack up against Joby and Archer in the future of aviation. Check out this video on Lillium th-cam.com/video/YcKulYxiAL4/w-d-xo.html
They should have a parachutes for more safety fly in case batteries or energy fail and some extinguisher in case or fire ,that taxi will fly over population and buildings. Do they have that devices ???
Great question! Safety is a huge priority for eVTOLs like Joby and Archer. While they don’t have parachutes, they are designed with multiple redundant systems, so if one battery or motor fails, others can take over. Both companies are working on extensive safety features, and fire suppression systems are also being considered to ensure safe flights over populated areas. Safety standards are still evolving, so we’ll likely see even more innovations in this area!
What's the matter if the evtols used parachute.is any disavange ?? I can't get it
Lilium looks much better
Looks mean nothing if you can't perform
@@bronxishomenomatterwhereig3149 it means much ... and it works good . I would say it is something different. Lilium is more a normal aircraft the others is more a drohne
not a good way to plug your stock when you have no facts....but I also own LILM
Lilium and all the others is a risk .... but the stocks it is cheap. I would never invest much money into a risky stock but a little bit .and it is just a feeling that lilium is good . But I think thay will sell the company .... and what happen than we will see.
@@nik1522 I own Lilm, Joby and Achr, I hope they all take off. Lilm is the cheapest of the 3 but that's not always a good thing
Both companies will succeed, just like Boeing and Airbus
1. Are Airbus and Boeing aircraft short range?
2. Are Airbus and Boeing aircraft open rotors?
Hilariously delusional.
how so
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Very little real comparisons - a waste of time to watch
There's no point in comparing twins to see who is more outstanding.
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Archer is a joke
lol literally no context with what you said. Clown 🤡
Interesting comment. United and Southwest don't think so.
*Neither. The future of aviation is Lilium*
There will be multiple winners as there's about 25 companies jockeying now. Lillium has some fundamental engineering limitations though and it remains to be seen whether they'll be overcome before running out of money. Powertrain and electric engines being the key problems.
@oddbirdinohio Incorrect. Lilium has the quietest noise profile that gives them full access to all urban mobility expansion, the most efficiently engineered & its already in worldwide demand. There's only 4 reasonably competitive companies that exist and only 1 of them is superior in performance, cost & safety.
@@EarthCreature. I guess you don’t pay attention much to the news? Lilium is certainly a frontline contender. Buts it’s in an emerging industry of the dying and in the middle of an unforgiving market. Their runway to survival is short and in a bit of an emergency. Their aircraft are super cool and appealing for a variety of reasons, but they don’t fly because of retail investor conviction. Though lowering interest rates help. There’s a few fundamental reasons it’s a penny stock when others arent which don’t bode well for it.
As a relatively successful investor in several start ups so far. I will submit to you that, regardless of your beliefs, the ‘best products’ don’t always win. And even Lilium itself has openly said they can’t find batteries good enough currently to achieve their originally stated performance goals. This has not changed in 2024 and they’ve stated for 2 years they’re trying to create their own higher standard and so far nothing to show on that front. The farnsborough air show was last week so this is very up to date.
Business and management ain’t that simple as your jet is super cool and quieter than baby farts. Lilium is doing alright, but unless they keep diluting or suddenly meet their delayed milestones and scale to production they’ll dry up and die. 40% dilution in shares this year alone. There is hope that they’ll announce a loan from German govt soon. Not to mention they already have a Chinese doppelgänger company seeking to undercut their deals and surely stealing their IP. They have until 2025 Q1 to make revenue happen (it won’t) or they continue diluting a lot if they can. Or they’re dead. Period.
They are fighting it seems. It’s not a zombie firm yet.
I’m also an investor in this company and archer and I’ve at least doubled my money in both thus far already. I of course would very much like that to be more. But a dose of realism and caution is warranted.
Would be stoked if they all did well or one did really well. But I’ve have the life experience of watching too many firms (automotive, rocket, solar) especially European companies, run dry and dead in the open market before they ever make a real impact.
Ilium aircraft looks like a 8yo game up with it. There’s going to be multiple winners and I’m sticking with the sexy ones
@EarthCreature Lilium is definitely a strong contender with its unique approach to eVTOL technology! Their focus on longer routes and jet-like design sets them apart. It’ll be interesting to see how they stack up against Joby and Archer in the future of aviation. Check out this video on Lilium to learn more: Watch here.