@@The_Aleph_Null akali is great. even with the low stats it's still a rush minion meaning board impact and it gives you a massive turn following it with things like a 3 mana 8/8
this deck would often beat druids pre-nerf regardless... there's just so much minion pressure, and weapons to capitalize off of rush. It generally needed the Keleseth to beat the fast ramp hands, however.
The Spirit relies on playing it out on the same turn you play a rush minion leading to a dead card in a hand when you don't have one. Akali's effect, while powerful, is really difficult to set up, and with the rampant Freezing Traps from Hunters having basically 3 a game due to Zul'jin, makes Akali really weak overall.,
@@hunter_michelie4425 Zul'jin spell hunter is really weak, most decks at rank 5 right now are aggro decks which leaves no time for hunter to play Zul'jin, let alone reach turn 10.
@@hunter_michelie4425 Very valid. The recent nerfs, which caused the meta-shift, allowing Spell Hunters to be overrepresented, mean value plays with mechs and cards like Akali and SoR can be, and often are, severely crippled, by freezing trap alone.
And this is why I'm glad Druid is dead at least for now, even if many sources say it wasnt the best pre-nerfs. Not having to punch through 2 Spreading Plagues and tons of armor improved my overall enjoyment of the game.
And yet they didn't nerf these cards that would've rotated anyway. They nuked core druid cards that make druid shit now, in the future, and in wild. These nerfs will definitely be reversed at least in part, if Blizzard aren't literally braindead which, to be fair, is a very real possibility
While I agree that decimating a class like they did with Druid is not healthy for the game, it really makes you think how Druid cannot stay relevant in any way by playing at the same amount of mana as all other classes.
@@xelo8320 Well yeah, it's their core mechanic. Imagine playing a rogue deck without combo cards. This can change for a rotation like it did for mage with the introduction of an INSANELY OP card like book of specters but you can bet your ass you're going straight back to fireballs when it rotates
You're aware that a massive number of viable rogue decks have existed without including any combo cards right? Furthermore the druid's core class identity has always been flexibility front and center. Ramp cards were just a part of the package. There was something seriously wrong with druid because every druid deck was basically exactly the same, with the difference being which win condition you included. You ALWAYS put wild growth and nourish into it, didn't matter what type of deck it was. Token, Ramp, Combo, Quest, Odd or Even would pack whichever one fit them, they were simply too powerful, and they would never rotate out. While it's true a better solution would've been to hall of fame them, something had to be done or druid would continue to stagnate indefinitely. Even cards like truesilver, Consecration, Fireball and frostbolt, despite seeing a TON of play, decks can exist without them, that wasn't really the case for these two cards, any druid decks not including them were generally very very bad. While it's true they should've nerfed Spreading plague and stuff, a nerf to druid's ramp was a LONG time coming, it was very oppressive, and now druid can go back to focusing on flexibility and other things.
@@Skullhawk13 Yeah, you're gonna have to prove your massive claim cause it ain't true. Like I said decks like elemental mage can pop up from OP cards currently in rotation but core OP cards always come back. So now blizzard have another class like warlock that has a terrible core package and they have to constantly pump them with good cards. They probably will try to do that to get you to buy more packs because they want more more more money. The game is now harder to balance yet again by blizzard's inability to understand how balancing works or their intentional sabotage of core packages to get you to buy even more of their new packs. And why didn't they try nerfing only one card first to see what happens and not this massive change? Because fuck it, they don't care about balance, everyone knew that druid would be dead in the water for the rest of the rotation at the least but blizzard would get their money from people rerolling into other classes. Didn't think of that, did ya, you genius?
I suppose it does allow for dodging the initial 40 damage (assuming you're referring to Mind Blast Priest), but wouldn't the armor spells, along with a hero power or two, be more beneficial? Mountainfire's armor is both a deathrattle, meaning it can be delayed a few turns, and is conditionalised by the fact it needs to be your opponent's turn; you cannot choose to activate it yourself. I dare to wager a card draw tool of the same cost but with 1 less armor would be more advantageous to counter Priest's combo than a 4/3 body with only a chance of getting you your armor.
hmmm I'm not sold on the mountainfire armor, I mean it has great stats, don't get me wrong, but you have exactly zero uses for all that armor. I would rather run a secon ooze and something else. Second sul'thraze anyone?
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It's understandable that Wild Growth was nerfed, given how often it was played over the years. Nourish, however, did not see as much play until Ultimate Skillfestation. It probably should have been left alone.
I can answer for him! Akali is just too slow in this kind of deck, and although it's value is really high, it's not worth to waste 8 mana (A dead turn) for a 5/5 that will most likely die in one turn and is NOT assured to overkill anything (As it has to kill a minion with 4 health or less). It's a good card, but not a great card. It doesn't have any instantaneous impact on the game.
to add for @@DDismas here, Lich King is both an active and a reactive turn with a better value post turn which is why it is better than akali that MIGHT get you cycle and value but for slower pace. This rush warrior is designed to, well, RUSH the opponent and that is why there are chargers(korkron and grommash) and cyclers(town crier and countess ashmore). in its current state akali still has no place in rush warrior, but maybe someday in the rotation.
@@lMarcusl I don't think that really true, this deck or some wild variation should do quite well against aggressive decks lots of efficient high tempo removal and life gain. I think it would struggle against resurrect priest though you are correct, very little gained from the rush tempo.
@@lMarcusl Hey so have hit legend with tempo warrior in wild last month odd rogue was my best match. Big priest was hard but winnable through frothing. Even shaman is 50/50. My worste match up was even warlock and spell hunter.
@@Block1618 Have you seen what those three decks do in Wild? You already acknowledged the issues with Resurrect Priest, but let me go through the other two. Even Shaman: This deck's plays are pathetic compared to Even Shaman's, and the deck has essentially no answers to anything the Even Shaman does. It can't kill a turn 2 Totem Golem, Turn 4 Flamewreathed Faceless, its only efficient answer to free Things from Below is Militia Commander, which takes most of the turn, and the Warrior gains absolutely no utility out of its hero power, where the Shaman is swarming the board from turn 1. Also, Sea Giants wreck your day. The Shaman will sieze control of the board early and the Rush Warrior won't be able to wrest it back because almost all of the Shaman's minions are way more efficient than the Rush package. A 3 mana 3/3 Rush is just sad when the Shaman already has a 2 mana 3/4 on board, or a 1 mana Stoneclaw Totem protecting their Flametongue. The Rush Warrior won't even get a foot in the door. Against Odd Rogue the situation is a little better, since their board isn't nearly as sticky, but once again, your hero power does nothing, while theirs clears essentially every Rush minion in the deck once it's done its Rush trade. You run your Worgen into a Patches, next turn it dies to the dagger. You run your Militia Commander into their Hench Clan Thug before it grows too big, next turn, daggered. The Rush Warrior would need a turn 1 Finley Murrglton for a Mage, Druid or Rogue hero power almost every game to keep the Rogue's board under control before the Fungalmancers and Cold Bloods start raining down. The Odd and Even mechanics fuck every non-odd/non-even deck in the ass pretty hard in Wild. When you play aggro, you're just a worse version of Odd Rogue, when you play midrange, you're just a worse version of Even Shaman because they get so much value out of their hero power consistently, while your value has to be drawn in the right order to keep up with them. And if you try anything slower than those two, Resurrect Priest happens.
yep in wild there is no reason to run wild growth over the other ramp cards besides the death rattle one, wonder if this will make more people run jade druid...or maybe a jade package
Pre grand tournament shaman was a meme. I remember seeing video of some professional player from that time with 8 lvl 60 and golden classes and lvl 20 shaman xd
Sadly i dont understand the nerf to druid. Like maybe if they did it near the rotation but it aint the case. Druid class look so weak at the moment. Thanks for the video.
Treant token is still okay but it doesnt synergize well with the new cards. Like when you transform treant into 5/5 they arent treant anymore therefore mulchmuncher is useless. Maybe druid strength is the now reduce to even or odd since those deck benefit from a free upgraded power wich are actually killing most of the deck in standart....i hope they arent that strong after the rotation. (Personnal opinion)
@@ioris8363 I clicked to see the video because of the title and the fact i like that deck and that list doesn't even run akali..clockbait in my opinion that's why I write a comment in the first place
Alex Alex because it doesn’t have new cards in it doesn’t mean it isn’t rush Warrior, a lot of the minions in the deck have rush. therefore it can be considered Rush warrior. “clickbait” lmao
... why was this match uploaded exactly? It ain't interesting and at most panders to folks being happy about cards having to be nerfed rather than finding a more interesting spot for druid so.... Why was this boring monotone game uploaded...?
ArgentumEmperio ...why was this comment made exactly? it’s not interesting and at most panders to the crybaby whiners rather than just enjoying the free content that you’re not obligated to watch. why was this boring monotone comment made...?
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“Primitive.”
-Zilliax, talking to a druid player.
A rush deck but still no space for Akali. Feels bad rhino man.
when lich king and DKs rotate out akali will be auto include as a key piece.
Poor people, trying to make themselves feel better about opening a shit legendary OMEGALUL
This is just Kibler's take on Rush Warrior tho. Other decks run Akali too.
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@@The_Aleph_Null akali is great. even with the low stats it's still a rush minion meaning board impact and it gives you a massive turn following it with things like a 3 mana 8/8
Playing Druid post Mana Ramp nerf? The madman!
this deck would often beat druids pre-nerf regardless... there's just so much minion pressure, and weapons to capitalize off of rush. It generally needed the Keleseth to beat the fast ramp hands, however.
Rush deck without the two newly released rush synergy cards. FeelsBadMan, rhino lives matter
The Spirit relies on playing it out on the same turn you play a rush minion leading to a dead card in a hand when you don't have one.
Akali's effect, while powerful, is really difficult to set up, and with the rampant Freezing Traps from Hunters having basically 3 a game due to Zul'jin, makes Akali really weak overall.,
@@hunter_michelie4425 Zul'jin spell hunter is really weak, most decks at rank 5 right now are aggro decks which leaves no time for hunter to play Zul'jin, let alone reach turn 10.
@@phierle1061 * let alone
@@oniuserjh Ah thanks didn't notice.
@@hunter_michelie4425
Very valid. The recent nerfs, which caused the meta-shift, allowing Spell Hunters to be overrepresented, mean value plays with mechs and cards like Akali and SoR can be, and often are, severely crippled, by freezing trap alone.
Props for the druid not conceding immediately after Twig got destroyed.
Quite a boring, one-sided game.
Ah classic druid is took all game and we still does't know what deck he playing ( literally 25 druid card and 5 other card is win condition )
Nice Video and happy new year!
Kibler's Deck is not fully golden REEEEEE
If your hero is golden it should really give you a golden coin...
And this is why I'm glad Druid is dead at least for now, even if many sources say it wasnt the best pre-nerfs. Not having to punch through 2 Spreading Plagues and tons of armor improved my overall enjoyment of the game.
And yet they didn't nerf these cards that would've rotated anyway. They nuked core druid cards that make druid shit now, in the future, and in wild. These nerfs will definitely be reversed at least in part, if Blizzard aren't literally braindead which, to be fair, is a very real possibility
While I agree that decimating a class like they did with Druid is not healthy for the game, it really makes you think how Druid cannot stay relevant in any way by playing at the same amount of mana as all other classes.
@@xelo8320 Well yeah, it's their core mechanic. Imagine playing a rogue deck without combo cards. This can change for a rotation like it did for mage with the introduction of an INSANELY OP card like book of specters but you can bet your ass you're going straight back to fireballs when it rotates
You're aware that a massive number of viable rogue decks have existed without including any combo cards right? Furthermore the druid's core class identity has always been flexibility front and center. Ramp cards were just a part of the package. There was something seriously wrong with druid because every druid deck was basically exactly the same, with the difference being which win condition you included. You ALWAYS put wild growth and nourish into it, didn't matter what type of deck it was. Token, Ramp, Combo, Quest, Odd or Even would pack whichever one fit them, they were simply too powerful, and they would never rotate out. While it's true a better solution would've been to hall of fame them, something had to be done or druid would continue to stagnate indefinitely.
Even cards like truesilver, Consecration, Fireball and frostbolt, despite seeing a TON of play, decks can exist without them, that wasn't really the case for these two cards, any druid decks not including them were generally very very bad.
While it's true they should've nerfed Spreading plague and stuff, a nerf to druid's ramp was a LONG time coming, it was very oppressive, and now druid can go back to focusing on flexibility and other things.
@@Skullhawk13 Yeah, you're gonna have to prove your massive claim cause it ain't true. Like I said decks like elemental mage can pop up from OP cards currently in rotation but core OP cards always come back. So now blizzard have another class like warlock that has a terrible core package and they have to constantly pump them with good cards. They probably will try to do that to get you to buy more packs because they want more more more money. The game is now harder to balance yet again by blizzard's inability to understand how balancing works or their intentional sabotage of core packages to get you to buy even more of their new packs. And why didn't they try nerfing only one card first to see what happens and not this massive change? Because fuck it, they don't care about balance, everyone knew that druid would be dead in the water for the rest of the rotation at the least but blizzard would get their money from people rerolling into other classes. Didn't think of that, did ya, you genius?
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Now they just need to nerf Deathstalker Rexxar.
What's the significance in running Mountainfire Armor in this deck? Is it simply for being a (3) 4/3? It seems like such an odd include for the deck.
Planetesimal counter to priest combo?
I suppose it does allow for dodging the initial 40 damage (assuming you're referring to Mind Blast Priest), but wouldn't the armor spells, along with a hero power or two, be more beneficial? Mountainfire's armor is both a deathrattle, meaning it can be delayed a few turns, and is conditionalised by the fact it needs to be your opponent's turn; you cannot choose to activate it yourself.
I dare to wager a card draw tool of the same cost but with 1 less armor would be more advantageous to counter Priest's combo than a 4/3 body with only a chance of getting you your armor.
@@ahoy1014 paying 3 mana to cycle and gain 5 armor is a lot worse than paying 3 for a 4/3 that gives you armor in a proactive deck
8:10 impossible, perhaps the archives are incomplete?
hmmm I'm not sold on the mountainfire armor, I mean it has great stats, don't get me wrong, but you have exactly zero uses for all that armor. I would rather run a secon ooze and something else. Second sul'thraze anyone?
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why are you here.
Why dot have Woodcutters axe and Akali??
Woodcutter is ok but tempo is more important. Akali is hard to justify when literally everything else is better.
Mountainfire armor in constructed LUL
Things a people didn't say 4 months ago:" A Druid?!"
It's funny cause without the nerfs he would have lost to twig, by having it one turn early. Thnx blizzard
Druid is actually dead
Way too dead, the nerfs should've targeted different cards instead of ramp
Jozko Krssak wild growth and nourish have been a problem since release, was definitely right to nuke them from orbit
@@Authoity4576 nourish wasnt even played till UI was printed, how was it a problem?
@@Authoity4576 you must mean that Wild Growth and Nourish were balanced before Ultimate Infestation, Spreading Plague and Branching Paths.
It's understandable that Wild Growth was nerfed, given how often it was played over the years. Nourish, however, did not see as much play until Ultimate Skillfestation. It probably should have been left alone.
RIP druid.
It cracks me up. We never even found out what kind of druid he was. Could have been togwaggle, maly. Who knows?
What were the nerfs?
carlo formosa
Nourish & Wild Growth cost 1 additional Mana.
@@Raxxer1993Q8 only 2 cards nerfed,strange...thanks btw
Wtf,kibler got a hold of the new hearthstone class?
hey brian long time fan first time that im leaving a comment i think u r an awesome player and a cool dude... why u dont use akali in this deck?
I can answer for him!
Akali is just too slow in this kind of deck, and although it's value is really high, it's not worth to waste 8 mana (A dead turn) for a 5/5 that will most likely die in one turn and is NOT assured to overkill anything (As it has to kill a minion with 4 health or less).
It's a good card, but not a great card. It doesn't have any instantaneous impact on the game.
to add for @@DDismas here, Lich King is both an active and a reactive turn with a better value post turn which is why it is better than akali that MIGHT get you cycle and value but for slower pace. This rush warrior is designed to, well, RUSH the opponent and that is why there are chargers(korkron and grommash) and cyclers(town crier and countess ashmore). in its current state akali still has no place in rush warrior, but maybe someday in the rotation.
thank u for the answer guys :)
Druid is so dumpstered now.
Wesley Kinslow and they still put up a good fight...
How can I make this deck into wild
Depends. Do you like losing every game to Odd Rogue, Even Shaman and Resurrect Priest? If yes, play this in Wild.
@@lMarcusl I don't think that really true, this deck or some wild variation should do quite well against aggressive decks lots of efficient high tempo removal and life gain. I think it would struggle against resurrect priest though you are correct, very little gained from the rush tempo.
@@lMarcusl Hey so have hit legend with tempo warrior in wild last month odd rogue was my best match. Big priest was hard but winnable through frothing. Even shaman is 50/50. My worste match up was even warlock and spell hunter.
@@Block1618 he was very weird playing my 3 mana rush card with no Minions on the field
@@Block1618 Have you seen what those three decks do in Wild? You already acknowledged the issues with Resurrect Priest, but let me go through the other two.
Even Shaman: This deck's plays are pathetic compared to Even Shaman's, and the deck has essentially no answers to anything the Even Shaman does. It can't kill a turn 2 Totem Golem, Turn 4 Flamewreathed Faceless, its only efficient answer to free Things from Below is Militia Commander, which takes most of the turn, and the Warrior gains absolutely no utility out of its hero power, where the Shaman is swarming the board from turn 1. Also, Sea Giants wreck your day. The Shaman will sieze control of the board early and the Rush Warrior won't be able to wrest it back because almost all of the Shaman's minions are way more efficient than the Rush package. A 3 mana 3/3 Rush is just sad when the Shaman already has a 2 mana 3/4 on board, or a 1 mana Stoneclaw Totem protecting their Flametongue. The Rush Warrior won't even get a foot in the door.
Against Odd Rogue the situation is a little better, since their board isn't nearly as sticky, but once again, your hero power does nothing, while theirs clears essentially every Rush minion in the deck once it's done its Rush trade. You run your Worgen into a Patches, next turn it dies to the dagger. You run your Militia Commander into their Hench Clan Thug before it grows too big, next turn, daggered. The Rush Warrior would need a turn 1 Finley Murrglton for a Mage, Druid or Rogue hero power almost every game to keep the Rogue's board under control before the Fungalmancers and Cold Bloods start raining down.
The Odd and Even mechanics fuck every non-odd/non-even deck in the ass pretty hard in Wild. When you play aggro, you're just a worse version of Odd Rogue, when you play midrange, you're just a worse version of Even Shaman because they get so much value out of their hero power consistently, while your value has to be drawn in the right order to keep up with them. And if you try anything slower than those two, Resurrect Priest happens.
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isn't Pilfered powder just better now? at worst it's just as good as Wild growth now
It's a Gadgetzan card
yep in wild there is no reason to run wild growth over the other ramp cards besides the death rattle one, wonder if this will make more people run jade druid...or maybe a jade package
You would still run wild growth over jade blossom if you want the excess mana card it gives you at 10 mana crystals
@@willsheridan270 you would still play jade blossom in Jade Druid thou
@@dubspool oh I forgot sry :)
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heyyy kibler
Never have I seen a class as bad as Druid now.
Why is that so?
Kharazan era Priest was waay worse... people have short memory
Pre grand tournament shaman was a meme. I remember seeing video of some professional player from that time with 8 lvl 60 and golden classes and lvl 20 shaman xd
Priest used to have It way worse
Paladin during gadgetzan lol
Sque Sque
Sadly i dont understand the nerf to druid. Like maybe if they did it near the rotation but it aint the case. Druid class look so weak at the moment.
Thanks for the video.
Because many Druis decks was on leadder for to much time, thats maybe why they nerf druid?
@@ArubatoBerumundo Apart from the data said the opposite was true, druid was one of the lower win rate classes and almost least played pre nerf.
Block1618 could you post that data? I’d be very interested in seeing it
Treant token is still okay but it doesnt synergize well with the new cards. Like when you transform treant into 5/5 they arent treant anymore therefore mulchmuncher is useless. Maybe druid strength is the now reduce to even or odd since those deck benefit from a free upgraded power wich are actually killing most of the deck in standart....i hope they arent that strong after the rotation. (Personnal opinion)
Saw like 50 mechathun druids all op still, i think they shud have nerfed nourish to 8 and wild growth to 5
PepeHands Let him win
With 6 rush minions that's not rush warrior
Names don't really matter.
@@ioris8363 I clicked to see the video because of the title and the fact i like that deck and that list doesn't even run akali..clockbait in my opinion that's why I write a comment in the first place
My point still stands.
Alex Alex because it doesn’t have new cards in it doesn’t mean it isn’t rush Warrior, a lot of the minions in the deck have rush. therefore it can be considered Rush warrior.
“clickbait” lmao
@@tyralion3666 I made my point clear
... why was this match uploaded exactly?
It ain't interesting and at most panders to folks being happy about cards having to be nerfed rather than finding a more interesting spot for druid so....
Why was this boring monotone game uploaded...?
ArgentumEmperio ...why was this comment made exactly?
it’s not interesting and at most panders to the crybaby whiners rather than just enjoying the free content that you’re not obligated to watch.
why was this boring monotone comment made...?
2nd boiz