Isiah Thomas says Kevin Durant saved Steph, Dray, Klay's legacies w/ Warriors | Draymond Green Show
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ต.ค. 2024
- Isiah Thomas and Draymond Green discuss the beauty of Golden State Warriors basketball, why it made perfect sense that Kevin Durant wanted to be part of that, and how KD helped save Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, and Dray’s legacies.
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But they won after…?
The point is that had not KD came there that Warriors team wasn't beating Lebron and more than likely that team was gonna break up , KD helped keep that team together weather you like him or not thats fact
@@ibnjalil1773 a lot of people are forgetting this. most teams would break up if they weren't winning for consecutive years.
ASSUMPTIONS , NOBODY KNEW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN , CUZ THEY BEATED THE WARRIORS BECAUSE GREEN SUSPENSION
@@LuisHernandez-su3zi Warriors beat the Cavs because of Kyrie's and Love's injuries.
@@meisterz0611Name all these teams that broke up after not winning consecutive years?? We gotta stop making things up😂😂
It’s easy to see why MJ didn’t like this dude 😂
He didn't like him bc he kept losing to him 😂😂
@@CjBlktell em again!!!!
MJ was just a big a butt hole as Zeke. Maybe even more so. There's a book that came out in the early 90's called "The Jordan Rules". That book gives an insight into perhaps who the REAL MJ was beyond the Nike/Gatorade/corporate/face of NBA image that protected Jordan.
MJ ain’t like him because the Pistons was 3-1 against him.
@@CjBlkoh well . He had the much better team at that time. We all see who ended up being the goat in the end
When Steph got his 4th ring, Isiah has felt threatened by Steph. Especially with everyone saying Steph is the greatest small player ever.
Bro Steph had beeeeeen passed Isaiah at that point, i dont know what he felt threatened by 😂😭
@@victorxify1nah cats still was trying to use the zero FMVP over Steph's head and Zeke used that against Steph and Klay. Everything changed once Steph won that FMVP.
@@bobt9705 Steph and the warriors wouldn’t be as relevant today if KD didn’t join them and they wouldn’t have that ring against the Celtics if he didn’t go there
@WS-Deadshot That's an opinion not a fact. The also beat KD by coming back from their own 3-1 deficit.
@@WolvyBlk As relevant?? What the hell does that mean?? If Bron didn't join Wade's team then he wouldn't be as relevant today. If Bron didn't create a Superteam in Cle then he wouldn't be as relevant or even be in the discussion as a Goat contender. You see how these things work?? Nice try with the what ifs.
Isiah thinks he is better than Steph, that’s why he is talking trash like this. Isiah you were nice but Steph is top 10
Nobody is saying Zeke is better then Steph however if they played for it Finals Zeke may embarrasses Steph if Steph was the primary defender the whole series . It may get embarrassing. That how great Isiah was!!!
Dray kept his shit together. Wow.💪. Maturity shown in keeping calm and giving a reasoned well thought out response. Lets go Dray. One more title next year?
Facts 💯😅
He probably won't even be on the warriors 😅
Warriors ain’t winning again 🤡 😂
@@WolvyBlk there's always one guy celebrating someone's downfall
@@WolvyBlk I'm sure you said that in 22 as well.🤣🤣🤣
Everybody know they won a ring once KD left correct? Seems like that means nothing these days
Yeah against a young 24 and under team we know not a championship team
@@moneymoney3235lol the Celtics were the favorites
@@cashmontoks just like they were in 2018 against Bron lol. Who went against more favorites? And stop it Celtics had no one who was in the finals ever or champiships and curry was in 5 prior hella experience
The RING after has nothing to do with the SAYINGS of the TOPIC at HAND. Your response is PETTY and ELEMENTARY.
@@moneymoney3235but that same Celtics team swept Kd
Fuck outta here Warriors saved KD’s legacy
i know right.. let's erase those KD-GS years from history where would we stand today.. we'd have GS with 2 trophies, Curry with 2 MVPS and 1 FMVP... meanwhile, KD would have 0 trophies, 0 FMVPs... i think GS's legacy is intact...
That's assuming the warriors don't do anything w out kd
Lies
@@jegcaso I guess he couldn’t have went no where els right like are you ok he could have went to the Cavs and won 5 chips with Bron
@@Songosyou don’t have to assume because that would be a false reality. They’ve literally won a championship without KD
KD saved the warriors but hasn’t been able to save any other team he’s been on? Hmmm yeah ok
Lets act like he hasnt been dealing with injuries and a bunch of external situations broke the Nets apart. Honestly this year is the healthiest he has been in years
@@4THA18x all star mvp all time leader in USA points , top 10 in scoring ,4x scoring champ goof ball😂😂
He did, Green and Curry admitted in interviews the cavs figured them out they needed more firepower.They won so easily because you arguably have literally the best 3 shooters in their prime during that time stop the cap.
@@jeanpayano1506 then we will wait for him to save the suns then
If you know basketball then you know Zeke was correct cavs would’ve smoked them w/o Durant he was the difference
Yaw so clueless. Steph and the Warriors gave Durant a legacy otherwise he wouldn't have one or anything else including 2 rings.
More like they had a mutually beneficial relationship. He helped them more than they helped him.
Lol 😂 how come KD is the savior?
Um because Curry isn’t even mentioned as a 10-15 player if he has 2 less championships
@@Rooski245and neither is KD without those 2 championships.
ALL TIME LEADING 3 POINT KING AND COUNTNG@@Rooski245
DIDN'T GS WIN ANOTHER CHAMPIONSHIP AFTER KD LEFT🤔
Zeke isn't fooling anyone. He is doing this as away to try and save his own legacy. Steph is better than you Zeke. Let it go.
Steph’s a better shooter. That’s literally about it.
@@Riles3152exactly . He’s a better shooter . Not a better PG.
@@Riles3152 Steph is a better scorer, better rebounder, and better handle
@@Riles3152 Steph is all around better. I saw Zeke play.
@@kevincampbell4708 exactly and a better a defender too.
Dray can’t disagree. He literally said out his own mouth he doesn’t believe they would’ve beaten those Cavs again after those finals lol
Dray also said that they would have beaten those same Cavs team in 5 had he not gotten suspended and alot of cats agreed with him🤷🏾♂️
@@bobt9705 While I agree with you, he was there for game 6 and 7. I think the Cavs figured them out in those last 3 games and would have had their number moving forward had they not added another superstar esp one of KD's caliber.
@@eldonmirjah7549 that still 7 games to win, if they replaced harrison barnes with someone better. it be competitive, i mean its not like cavs had anything for kd with the warriors, they won 1 game in two series.
also on draymond green.. he also told kd that they didnt need him to win. so which draymond is telling the truth lol. either way isiah is buggin cuz lets say KD never went...steph wouldn't get killed for not winnin finals mvp during that time.
"believe" and "if's" lol lets talk what ACTUALLY happened. they won before KD, they won after lol like there is nothing left to say.
@@brandonheath3916 its pretty fkd up of zeke to say that on dray's show, diminishing their accomplishments, especially since they won 2020
KD was a Free Agent that year any team he joined would’ve been unstoppable having a KD at that time no injuries
He joined the 73-9 team...
@@FlyhrHad he joined them Cavs these foolish hypocrites would've celebrated and even bragged that move like crazy without a shame. Their main thing was that they hate Curry and/or Warriors. They don't care about a weak move like that had that happened on the defending champ's side (Cavs). Let's be real here
@@judyclarkson5887 Cap. It's weak either way, joining the 73-9 team or joining the team that beat them (Cavs). Is weak. KD was the 2nd best player in the NBA and he can only join the team of 1 or 3?
@@Flyhr he could’ve went to Houston teamed up with harden and Cp3 they finished number 1 same year KD won his first ring lol that’s was it’s a media narrative not a fact
@@Flyhr it's free agent.....he could of went anywhere else. Don't blame gsw warriors for wanting to join the warriors.
Dang Dray how you let Isaiah get away with “KD saved your legacies” smh that’s BS. KD has never been a leader not with OKC or any other team he been with. Isaiah’s assessments are pretty off consistently when on the air. KD was never THE guy in GS. It’s always been Steph. You should have hit him with 1 before KD, 2 with KD, and 1 and counting after KD.
2017 & 2018. He was the guy! 2019, you could make an argument
@@brandong5676 No he wasn't. Dude was getting wide open shots and open lanes to the basket because the Cavs thought that Curry was more important to guard.
@@remnant8898 I tried coming up with a good rebuttal but u got me on that one. Lets say they were equally yoked at that time 😂
Kd still has the same scoring average and percentage when the dubs and now with the suns. The only thing different is he’s not getting doubled or tripple teamed every time he touches the ball with Steph and klay on the court. It’s the system the won it for Stepf. Put him in a different system and let’s see if we would view Stepf the same way. You could easily replace Stepf with Trey young and have similar results if you ask me.
@@P71NC3muah So KD knows what Steph goes through, even when he was with them in GS. Steph is the system, it does not work with any other player in the league. Also, we've seen Steph play differently under Mark Jackson, and he dominated then. As far as Trae is concerned, that is hogwash. Trae doesn't set screens, run around the court creating nightmare scenarios for the defense to get his players open looks, and he shoots horribly from the field at 43% and 35% from 3 for his career. How do you possibly think he's capable?
KD DEFINITELY SAVED THE WARRIORS CAVS WOULD HAVE REPEAT IF IT WASNT FOR HIM
lol
The opposite is true Draymond, you can’t let him say that on yo show
Dray. You was in games 6 & 7. And you didn’t close out . What makes you think your gonna gentlemen sweep em when you couldn’t close out 6 & 7? If you ain’t closing out those games , you ain’t closing out game 5 either . Stop coping .
Well, Andrew Bogut (starting Center veteran) got injured in 3rd quarter of game 6. Everything went downhill from there, because Cleveland went to attack the unprotected rim in the paint
Damn Dray still taking shots at KD. He said KD will never win a championship again because we would have seen it already 😂😂😂
It's mutually beneficial to both parties. He came here and helped us get 2 championships. Don't know why people keep insisting on picking a side.
But KD catches all the flack for GS being OP, it helped them both but it definitely hurt KD way more than it did GS.
People always trash KD theses days. People bring up things like what IT said just to balance out the convo
It’s only mutual for Steph doe he gets all the praise
Brodie just gave a back handed compliment 😅😂
Weak take by Zeke. The Warriors give KD a leg to stand on when people talk about his legacy. Without those two chips and two Finals MVP’s, KD would be getting roasted for not being a winner. That stint in Brooklyn would’ve been scrutinized x100 for not bringing home a title. The Warriors saved KD more than he saved the Dubs. They would’ve been competing for chips regardless.
@cwl1919. KD was FREE Agent "FOOL". Your Boys Raymond and Curry went on BENDING-knees begging for him to join themso they could DEFEAT LBJ> Becuse they HAD no ANSWER for the Cavaliers TEAM>
we don't know how many chips Dubs would have if KD didn't join...don't play What if
lol how can KD save anyone’s legacy? Curry was already a Champ and 2times MVP if KD don’t come to the Warriors and let’s say if Paul George did or Kawhi do Warriors go back to back yes so it’s not like they needed KD anyone else would of made them unbeatable!
Curry was a champ because kyrie and Kevin love was out during the finals series….that’s like saying Bron vs curry without draymond and klay….
Please stop
Your statement has hate in it and not knowledge
@@cloroxbleach7143 Bron played injured during more finals and playoffs than curry ever there’s no debate on that 💯 Bron has a ton more basketball and miles on his legs.
There’s a lot of “what if’s” but KD actually DID. Kawhi got injured due to Zaza in 2016. He wasn’t coming in 2017. Paul was TRADED to OKC … meaning golden state would’ve needed to give key piece(s) up to get him. KD was a free agent. This idea that that the warriors could’ve gotten anyone is categorically false. Give KD his credit.
Kd didn’t save their legacy he helped cement it. Zick is tripping
Using saved is just not the right word 😂😅
He’s saying “saved” because had that not happened, there’s a chance people only remember these Warriors as the 73-9 team that blew the 3-1 lead, and only won the ring the year before because of Kyrie and Love’s injuries.. that month or so after they lost the finals and before KD joined, they were getting killed lol. and even Dray himself doubts those Warriors against LeBron’s Cavs if they didn’t have Durant after the 16 finals. Steph still has his legacy as the greatest shooter, but that Warriors dynasty looks different if he didn’t come.. that’s just undeniable
@@spaceghostp6672 Yes, everyone and their mom knows there was no way they were beating those Cavs teams. Not saying they would not have won another chip down the line, but it would have been very different when we are talking about dynasties.
1 title and losing after a 73-9 season and being up 3-1 in the finals is not a legacy.
Some a y'all crying in the comments the same ones yelling TELL HIM ISAIAH for his bron over Jordan take..😂😂😂
Spoiler alert BOTH TAKES🚮
won before and after this man. nothing left to say...
Won a lucky ring in 2015 cause every team was hurt or dealing with injuries. Won a lucky ring after going against the inexperienced Celtics who always choke when the lights are brightest
Only won bc K love and Kyrie got hurt. Every team they played in them playoffs had a star player injured. They did their job but it was LUCK
Luck your way through a regular season… then the playoffs…. Then the finals. Twice? 😂 stop it
@@WolvyBlkwhen you wanna discredit something, you always find a reason to do so
@@WolvyBlk that doesn't make sense because when both teams were relatively healthy and available GSW was up 3-1. With both teams being at 100% GSW wins every time.
Draymond no way you let this man said that lol yall save kd career
KD saved their career regardless of how fanboys feel about rings it doesn't discredit greatness within their peers even if he didn't win. warriors wasn't winning another ring without getting KD. steph has never beat LBJ when he had a full roster and it mattered steph would be 2-3 in the finals without KD
@@hooligan5381thats because lebron had a superteam himself. Pre KD the warriors were draftees . Yall always leave that out.
@@hooligan5381they won without KD and should have won in 2016 if they didn’t choke so what makes u think they won’t have won another 😂😂😂. They saved KD’s ring less legacy
@@4THAwhat is mjs resume without a SUPERTEAM and best coach in the nba again? Less than lebrons legacy. Bron took 2 of the worst rosters ever to the finals regardless how we feel. Mj couldn’t ever
@@hooligan5381 they did win another ring without Kd dumb dumb did you forget they beat the Celtics
Steph Curry got 3 finals appearances and 2 rings without another top 75 player show me another top 10 player that can say that? How many MVPS you got Isiah? Only 5 All NBA teams in 13 years? MJ saved your legacy by having a trash bulls team early on think about it Magic won 5 Bird won 3 and the pistons went back to back after they were done running the league neither Boston or Lakers won after the pistons won
Imagine how KD would look if he still had no rings?
Kd Saved Dem boys. Stop crying 😂😂😂
Imagine how the warriors would look if he didn’t go basically re establish their dynasty. The ring after he left wouldn’t even be there and they’d be known as the one time lucky champs who blew a 3-1 lead in the finals and never recovered
@@CjBlk lol was he on the court in 2022? nah he at home watching from TV lmfao. let him get a ring outside golden state FFS
@@parikshitrao4208 without KD winning them 2 there’s no telling if the warriors would’ve looked like the same team. That chip vs the Celtics would be non existent if KD didn’t go there. They’d be sitting with 1 ring
I agree, I also don't think they ever beat Lebron again. Lbj and Kyrie ripped their confidence and were the two best players from both teams, golden state without kd would've fell off, maybe reset, or lost to the cavs every single year. You even see in 2023, Steph couldn't beat lebron without kd@@WolvyBlk
These lames want to create a narrative so bad it’s sad. If KD doesn’t come to the warriors the Warriors are still the best team in league 3 years in a row. So to say KD saved a legacy is just not accurate. If anything it just goes down as the best team ever created when KD joined they were literally unstoppable. Stop hating on Steph he the GOAT hands down and is better than Isaiah Thomas will ever be period.
Damn I be saying the same thing nobody believes me KD saved Curry legacy while tarnishing his own I really believe if he didn’t go there we would look at curry differently 😂😂😂😂
But how would people look at KD because Golden State won without him twice
Golden State won before , with and after KD . Let that sink in Zeke. KD aint saved nothing . Them boys still have at least 2 rings if KD doesn't go there.
Isaiah is out of his damn mind 😭💀
KD got 3-1 hawked to the team he went join. KD sacrificed his legacy to empower the warriors.
He didn’t save them. GSW went on to win yet another ring beating the ECF championship team KD GOT LOCKED UP & SWEPT BY lmao 😂
What has KD won outside of GS tho? If KD never went to the Warriors, he would be the George Gervin of this generation.
@Riles. How long did they WON a Championship after KD LEFT. Fan Boy your argument is PETTY.
@@RioCobreI’m not even a fan of Golden State. So there goes that angle 🙄 And you can get in YOUR feelings all you want, but I’m here for the facts. The FACTS are that GS with Steph, Klay and Draymond as the core 3 guys, proved they could win a title before Kevin got there, and went ahead and proved they could win it again, after he left. Kevin on the other hand, has tried to form superteam after superteam post Golden State, and is still yet to make it to a conference finals without that golden state franchise. You tell me who better without who? 😬
@@RioCobre no sht everyone was on the damn injury list for a long while after KD left including Steph. And why tf does the length of time even matter? 🤡
@@Riles3152 proved they could win a title in 2015 when the entire league was injured and they weren’t and against the Celtics who were inexperienced young and not made for the brightest lights
Note to Isiah Thomas: jealousy is an ugly business.
Draymond talking about that gentlemen's sweep, like he wasn't there for games 6 and 7, momentum or not they still had the same team...
But he has to also acknowledge that the Cavs were without Kyrie, and Love the previous year/2015.
And we saw what happened when the Cavs had Kyrie and Love in 2016, they beat the warriors.
So who's to say the Cavs wouldn't have won in 2015, if they were healthy?
Draymond knows better than to speak on would've, could've, should've, cause it invalidates their championship.
It wasn't the warriors fault the Cavs weren't healthy in 2015, just like it wasn't the Cavs fault Draymond got himself ejected in game 5 of 2016.
He still played 2 games after that, and they/the warriors lost both.
This is a prime example of why a lot of people don't respect Zeke.
Because Zeke told the truth?!?!
How could you not respect him?
@@stevenhaymon2441 more like because he is saying crazy shit like that.... used to be about MJ, now about the Warriors
Oh, go cry somewhere! One thing for sure he's more respected in in field than you probably will ever be in yours.
I'm not a fan of Isaiah off the court but he is 100% correct here, the Warriors were never gonna beat that Cavs team without KD, they won there first chip cause Kyrie and Love got hurt
Isiah is just downplaying Steph impact because he doesnt play PG "the right way" aka the way he played the position. 2 rings without KD. Maybe more soon after Steph takes this personal.
Saved? KD is part of their legacy. Did he think kd would get two rings without trio warriors. And the other way around no guarantee the trio would get those 2 rings.
He's tripping or just jealous.
Mann he is tripping 🤐
Draymond needs to stop giving washed up bitter and jealous losers the platform to disrespect Steph and the Warriors.
😂😂😂.2 time 🏆🏆.stop it.
I guess draymond doesn’t play when curry is out. Could have played in Dallas they need you, sore back my ass
IT assuming the Dubs wouldn't have won another chip without Durant?
Nope, maybe listen to what he said first. He said he saved the perception they would’ve had if the spectacle of the kd with the warriors didn’t happen. Not sure I agree completely but his point is valid
They wasn’t beating lebron without KD
@@4THA idc about him rn but wen he was on my cavs and a healthy kyrie and love they torched the warriors all the way back to win the chip especially kyrie and lebron dropping 41 points each😂😂 kyrie hit the shot in curry face they was soo hurt they got KD to help them win another chip he torched the cavs they why he won back to back fmvp the 2022 chip is they real Legit title
@@Fatboyjo2.1well, you have to remember Kyrie gets sour and leaves LeBron regardless before 2018. And we saw the warriors without KD beat LeBron without Kyrie in 2015. I like Kevin Love, but he's not dramatically changing the outcome of that series lol. So yeah, I think the warriors get AT LEAST one of those next three rings even without KD. Cause that'd also open up the money to get more depth.
Never beat healthy bron team yet
Saving a champion team with two consecutive finals and the best campaign in history and with money to reinforce the team the following year🤣🤣😂😂
Tgey was never beating a lebron led team without KD did the lakers beat the warriors without KD
@@Fatboyjo2.1Really?? Different team and personnel. I can easily say that Bron has a Superstar teammate in AD. How many Superstars are on GS right now??
@@bobt9705 they had KD
@@bobt9705 if KD was still on the warriors rn they would’ve been top 3 and you know it
@@Fatboyjo2.1 Did they have KD in 22??
KD made the Warriors unstoppable, probably the best team of all time. If KD never came though, those Warriors are still winning multiple titles.
Not after LeBron had a healthy
Hell no, if he doesn’t go Bron and Kyrie spank them 2 more times and they only have 1 lucky ring to this day. Bron had them boys numbers that’s why they recruited KD so hard after losing they knew lebron had them figured out
@@WolvyBlkSpank LMAO they barely beat them when Warriors were not healthy in those finals. They were a 67 and 73 win team, they definitely getting more chips w/o KD. Just like they got one years ago when their team was nowhere near as good as it was during the pre-KD years.
@@Warriors49ers that was a lucky ring just like the 2015 ring. And it wouldn’t have happened if KD didn’t win them two more and kept them relevant. Team would look completely different now if KD didn’t save them
@@WolvyBlkLUCKY LMAO do you even know EVERY year there are major injuries in NBA playoffs so I guess every ring to you is lucky. In reality, you don't know sports at all. We won before KD and we won after KD. Just like when KD was injured and Rockets were fully healthy with Harden and CP3 up 3-2 and we still beat them. 🤣🤣🤣
I honestly thing they were a BETTER team with Bogut. Just the way his size and passing ability unlocked all the shooters on the team, to me was more valuable than adding a MVP caliber player .
KD has no championships without the warriors and hasn’t come close to winning one since . The warriors did a hell of a job boosting up KD’s legacy . While the warriors added another chip and added to their legacy after Kd left
cuz his Achilles is torn in GS
@@jinwonse0368 he played in OKC for 9 years and had a loaded roster . What happened then?
@ninerempire3398 i mean he doesnt need to prove after warrior era
@@jinwonse0368 why not ? Lol He hasn’t shown the ability to win without steph and the warriors who won multiple championships without him. KD has been on super stacked teams and still can’t get it done without the warriors
@@ninerempire3398What super stacked teams? OKC was basically a expansion team that did draft some young talent but when he started in Seattle team was trash and then in Brooklyn what the big 3 play 20 games together in 3 seasons including playoffs were Harden and Kyrie disappeared vs Bucks while KD was avg 35PPG 9/5 on 52% in those playoffs
Dray just showed zeke the ultimate respect because he talking out the side of his neck. What legacy would kd have if he didn’t go to GS. He would have no rings. N he must forgot Kd blew a 3-1 lead also n then left n went to the team that he lost it too. Zeke buggin
They won after him n he ain’t won shit since. Kd is one of the greatest hoopers of all time but he lack intangibles too be the greatest. Leadership skills is trash. If he possessed leadership skills he would have went to the front office n demanded a change. He should have asked for more shooters around him n Russ or a coaching change. If he possessed leadership’s skills he would have got kyrie to fall in line to understand how important a championship is for him. He lacks one of the most important skills there is too be great.
KD going to Warriors stop Lebron from having 5-6rings. I'm not a big Lebron fan (got him 2nd behind MJ) but if KD don't go to Warriors and Warriors run it back with that same team I believe they lose to Lebron/Kyrie again.
Bron may have gotten one. But probably not both.
Lebron was not guaranteed to win, he barely got past GS in 2016 if not for league help/injuries
KD save yourself
I respectfully disagree with Isiah cause warriors already won a title and Steph was 2x MVP already and the only reasons why they lost Is cause in game 5 On top of Draymond getting that BS Suspension when they were about close out the Cavs Iggy and Bogut had gotten injured and that was a huge blow for them and Steph was already battling a injury coming into that final series which is why he really wasn't a factor in those finals like that But mainly when Bogut and iggy got hurt is what really killed them in that series because they were the warriors 2 best defensive players and they really miss that for the rest of those finals not having that rim protector in Bogut and Best Perimeter defender in Iggy
And the only reason they won in 2015 is because kyrie and love were out
Yet u didn’t mention they only won cause kyrie and love was out for the series
@@IScoreUnderPressure4 and the only reason the Cavs won in 16 is because the NBA helped out Bron with the refs, the suspension, Bogut getting injured, and Steph playing with a bad knee.
Respectfully Why is this asterisk never put on any other team. Cleveland may not win if Draymond doesn’t get suspended, Kawhi and the raptors don’t win if the Warriors are 💯… Lakers don’t win if the entire league isn’t banged up in the bubble. Everyone knows that Kyrie is an injury prone player; he hasn’t completed a full season since if I’m not mistaken so it’s not like he magically got hurt that year. Every player that’s won a chip has admitted that you need a little luck to win it all. Warriors took advantage of theirs.
Lol , you didnt mention that you guys won the first chip becos of kyrie and love injury . Kd made that gsw team a dynasty whether you guys like to hear it or not . If KD was not injured you guys would hve won 3 in a roll . Dude even risk everything and tore his achilles for dis stupd steph fanboys franchise . They take shot at KD anytime for no reason just to credit steph . They both great players but without KD no dynasty . We all saw what happened last season and two season before . Head to head steph vs bron without KD check it yourself .
Draymond is pretty spot on here: Without KD coming to GS, he doesn't win championships either. Fair point. That okc team wasn't winning. The point is that I don't think the warriors win either. If they really believed they would have, they would've just run it back with barnes against Lebron's cavs. But they didn't do that. Why? Because they believed they NEEDED KD to take down bron. And that's exactly what happened. KD won those championships.
-Just because the warriors won without KD 2 yrs ago doesn't mean that they win without kd for their previous 2 championships in 2017-2018. And if KD doesn't get hurt in 2019, they would've won a 3rd chip against the raptors.
-Yes their last championship is legit, but without those 2 other ones in the middle (first one was just against lebron), the legacies of steph/klay/dray are definitely affected.
They tried to resign Harrison Barnes with an extension during the season and HB didn't take it so they had to fill in that spot. Why would they "run it back" when they can upgrade? They already beat Lebron without KD, but if you run with they "needed" KD to win, then we can say the same for Lebron for needing Adam Silver/league help in 2016.
Where is klay in the background klay was one of the most important guy on the court
Isiah finally said something truthful. Anybody who believes warriors would've beat a healthy cavs team without kd doesn't know anything about the game.
U gotta remember , Steph was still playing with a previous knee injury (and never complained) Bogut was out, Dray was suspended. Add some favourable ref calls as lebron always gets and..
The Cavs got very very lucky to beat GS that year.
@@ITzTricky_x just like how the cavs in 15 didn't have kyrie or kevin love and it was still a 6 game series
@@crystalizedExposedok
Warriors won before KD and after KD. What’s KD done without Steph?! Love you Zeke, but ya’lls first championship Magic was injured and Scott! Don’t be dissing the Warriors core like that.
Like zeke wasn't hurt the year the lost to magic in game 7 after killing them on one foot, stop it
@@moseswilliams9888 the Lakers had a dynasty before that series, whereas the Pistons beat up a hobbled LA team with a 41 year old Kareem.
They're many PLAYERS that joined teams after they won. Curry and Raymond BEGGED him to JOIN them. So get your FACTS right before you respond in your unbias mood.
That core wouldn't have been together much longer if Kd didn't go there Lebron and Kyrie would had destroyed them Draymond wasn't going to be resigned after all.his antics so losing would for sure have broken them up
@@ibnjalil1773 says who? It took the NBA working overtime just for the Cavs to be competitive in that series. You think a 4 point loss in a game 7 was going to stop them from playing together? Its as if people didn't watch the games and just know narratives.
KD destroyed his legacy while saving steph's so casuals can know turnaround and say steph was better
Isiaiah's comments solidify that the Warriors were, are, and will be larger than KD. This dude is wrong about everything, so that's a seal of approval.
If KD didn’t come to the warriors there would only be 1 championship maybe 2 but really only 1
WTF? Your math is fuzzy. Without KD they did win 2 championships. If not for Adam Silver and the corrupt Refs the Warriors w/o KD probably would have 3 championships and Dray would have 1 finals MVP.
If anything, the Warriors saved KD's legacy. This is a bad take from Zeke, which is not outside the norm for him.
Not at all 😂😂😂😂 yall can say all yall want KD wouldn’t had won but honestly he would’ve … KD and Russ would been in they prime know telling who would’ve came and played , they would’ve beat golden state if him and Russ didn’t clash that series .. HE LITERALLY ALMOST BEAT THE BUCKS BY HISELF AFTER A ACILIS INJURY … WHY DIDNT WARRIORS BEAT TORONOTO AFTER HE GOT HURT ???😢😢
@@Hatibaby445cause kawhi is different better then lebron lol warriors won without kd should’ve repeated but the nba had to give lebron one would’ve looked bad to lose again to the warriors a self made team,they won one again without kd 🤣and kd hasn’t won shi and has been on better teams 😭bro warriors own lebron and don’t compare kawhi he diff should have 4 rn but nba catier to lebron
so if kd saved the warriors how come he has been close to chip since he left warriors , i love zeke but kd did save the warriors he saved himself
It’s crazy to think about but KD got the most finals mvps in warriors franchise history.. that means something🤷🏾♂️
Finals mvp's are decided by biased media members, so the credibility is shaky from the start. KD definitely deserved 2017, but 2018 and 2015 should've went to Steph
@@4THAif it was for iggy the warriors don’t win in 2015
Like Dray told him we won one before him and we turned around and won one without him
players like Zeke and a lot of fans like to bring up 2016 3-1. i don't even argue that shit no more. the Cavs won. what get me is the people who still argue Like it was Steph who came running to KD team. in 2019 KD got hurt and was out in game 7 the Houston series, and Steph closed them out. i don't think KD played 1 game in the Portland Championship series that the Warriors Swept. he came back, got hurt, and ran to start another super team which he failed with. got swept by the Celtics, then ran to Phoenix to start another Super team. KD can't win unless he team up with 3 or 4 superstars.
What they also forget is that it was a fluke. 9/10 if they play that series again warriors win in 5
We can win without kd we just unbeatable with him
Draymond literally said the samething zeke said during a podcast interview during covid
Dray is compromised w/leclutch sports.
Tell em again !!
Nothing like hearing Isiah give back handed compliments in an interview sheeesh. We shoulda did this......Yall wouldnt have done this without KD....naw man. This is like telling a girl..."Man you're beautiful, but your left ear is kinda pointy" 😂😂 Hes the best example of the ultimate Bitter Hater.
come on man. KD ain't saved nobody's legacies. did he help big time? yes. but please explain to me Zeke....what the hell has he won since? Steph, Klay and Dray won another title. they also did it with a player with less skill than KD, in Wiggins. this sound like a little cheap shot from Zeke. this man on here talking about a Mythical collapse that never happened until 2019-2020, and then after that they won again without KD.
KD was playing with an injured Kyrie and Harden next year after that a Kyrie who didn’t take the job and harden who demanded a trade. KD single handily took Brooklyn to ECF by himself and was a toe on the line from winning a championship
@@jchess78 alright Skip
How is it a cheap shot and Green basically agreed to what was said 🤦🏽♂️
@@jchess78What about the same year Golden State won their 2nd title without KD against Boston that same Boston team swept KD and Kyrie when they were both healthy
IT was right until we won a 4th ring. The 4th ring is what made it clear that we didn’t need KD, he needed us. Not to mention that he hasn’t won a ring since
KD saved Curry's legacy before his own, then the audacity for Curry to go win one without KD 😂🤡
I don't think KD was the key to GS championship, remember that warrior already had championship before KD came to the picture. KD join warrior b'cuz he want ring that he cannot get from any other time but GS, so stop the BS that KD bring GS dynasty to the table.
He is right. He isnt saying that they would be bad without him. He is saying that KD saved them from being known as the team that blew the 73-9 team. Who knows mentally how they would’ve been the season after.
That’s crazy to say considering they won a chip 6 years later without KD when Klay and Draymond were supposedly not in their primes anymore. All they needed was somebody to replace Harrison Barnes
They would do just fine with Jimmy or some half decent forward joining them in that off-season.
@@daanishguptajimmy wasn’t stopping prime lebron
The 73-9 team were in their prime and were primed to win 2-3 titles. They were that good and it took a fluke result for them not to repeat
Your Logic is is stupid. The TOPIC is about KD made them who they were.Not about what they accomplioshed after. That answer of yours is totally irrelevant, and after the FACT. Stop been a warriors FANBOY.@@RonnySwank
All KD did was help win some ships and what Zeke think basketball is? You suppose to grab the right pieces to your. Board so you can win like in chess. The warriors even not winning in 2016 they would’ve adjusted and been out for blood you gotta lose to know how to win. Game 5 draymond would’ve been there the the warriors win they had all the momentum and draymond was on point then turnt up and got suspended.
Funny how they say no kd mo ring for those 2 years. They have 40m in cap space to sign players and was up 3 to 1 in the finals the previous year. I say gs would of found a way
Lmao they wouldn’t had .. them going to 3 finals with KD gave them way more experience.. why didn’t they beat Toronto when KD got hurt ? Lmaooo KD WAS THE ONLY PLAYER ON LEBRON LEVEL BACK THEN .. only reason why GSW won the first ship is cause kyirie and love was hurt FACTS 😂😂😂 what makes you think KD don’t go play with another superstar .. cause them 2 ships curry and klay layed down in the playoffs … they had games with ding for digit points .. KD single handler beat the clippers by HISELF
Yea because realistically bron would have 6 rings rightnow sit back and think about it that’s crazy😂😂😂😂
I don’t like KD for what he did. But I will say this statement is true 😭 they all benefited from the situation
you got a personal vendetta cause a man did what was best for his career 😂
@@hooligan5381 it was against my cavs so as a cavs fan nah I didn’t like it one bit. Yo corny ass thought u had one 💀
😂😂😂 he said the Warriors were trending down after the finals lost to the Cavs. How Sway???? I'm pretty sure they could've made back to the finals without KD that next year, the only team that stood a legit chance was Kawhi and the Spurs that year. no one else in the West could match up.
I mean without KD, the warriors get beat by: Lebron (again) Spurs & Houston🤷♂️
literally makes
zero Sense...... Nobody knows what would happen bc it never happened. I swear most ppl have no logic.
I’m done with yall excuses thunder had the warriors down 3-1 and KD and Russ couldn’t Get the Job Done. And KD runs from his Failures….. before you reach success you must See Failure….. if KD stays with the thunder or join another team i believe The warriors get eliminated by KD. KD Always was on a different Level than Steph…. KD Just can’t Lead a team to the championship…. Tell the truth 💯.KD Won finals MVP Not Steph Curry…… obviously KD Should have eliminated the warriors back in 2015 and 2016. KD choked
WRONG!!! This was a 73-9 team, that still played all the way until Game 7 of the finals that year. Everybody act like cavs swept them or the cavs went 4-1. They didn’t exactly need KD they just needed a wing player that could take over the game in crunch time, because the scouting reports started to catch up for other teams. Carmelo Anthony(Olympic Version), Paul George, even Wiggins could have fit that system. They needed a Wing guy because Steph wasnt at the point of where he could take over consistently like other stars. Ultimately, everybody benefited in the end. THEY NEEDED EACH OTHER
Kd didn't benefit at all, he actually hurt his legacy, they say he is top 15 all time, he would of been that still, without the hate of the bus rider comments
You doing all that and Draymond agreed lmfao
@@Kipmoney_ I was responding on what Isiah said. I know Draymond got much respect for Zeke but I wouldn’t let nobody dog my team like that in front of me, interview woulda went left real quick
@@moseswilliams9888 He got 2 championships and 2 finals MVPs, how is that not benefiting?
Preach brother
Yes they lost the chip and was a stain on the Legacy but does a 73-9 teams not have Any chance to bounce back and win more??? 😂 The more Isaiah talks the more His Legacy goes down!
Without KD Lebron had 5 rings rn
They will never admit it or give KD the credit he deserves ‼️
Without Steph KD still ringless
@@DaehanLoraineAlbofuerawithout Kd they wasn’t beating the cavs 🤷🏽♂️😂 they blew a 3-1 lead in finals and lost the Next year if Kd wouldn’t have came they would of lost to Bron again 🤷🏽♂️
Isiah is mad cuz kd going prevent bron from winning 0-2 more chips giving him a better case in the goat debate against jordan lol
hes already the goat
@@crystalizedExposed nah
he aint lying tho
warriors fans crying in the comments and hate the facts no way they are beating lebron, kyrie and kevin love without KD.. anyways warriors fighting for a play-in spot this year 😂😂😂 don’t @ me
Hypotheticals dont add to a legacy. They are also the weakest arguments
They needed each other! Otherwise Bron would have 6-7 chips right now!
Bron's my GOAT and this is delusional.
In that case Bron needed Bosh, Wade, Kyrie,and AD to win. If he didnt have them he wouldnt have no rings. E
6-7 chips. Let me guess u also believed bron was gonna win not 4 not 5 not 6 with Miami 😂😂😂😂
@@daanishgupta he ain't the GOAT kid
Bro nobody talks about Lebron without kyrie or Kevin love your 1st championship come on now stop with this game 5 suspension
Bang bang. It told Draymond facts
KD has not won nothing outside of Golden State
@@jakieresykes3644 kd won 2 finals MVPs buddy(that means he was the best player on the team for both finals)
@@t-raw4316 He won those in Golden State he hasn’t won nothing outside of Golden State they won without him twice
@@jakieresykes3644 I’m not sure what “take away golden state” means. This isn’t nba 2k buddy. Kd played there 3 years and won 2 finals MVPs. Make it make sense!😂😂😂😂 my guy really said “without golden state” wtf does that even mean buddy 🤣💀💀💀🤣🤣🤣🥴💀💀🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀
@@jakieresykes3644 steph has 1 finals mvp in 6 seperate finals my guy. That speaks volumes
Isiah Thomas is a creep. I beg anyone reading this comment to go watch “Isaiah Thomas 47 pts vs nuggets”. And just watch how pathetic that 80’s “tough” defense was. It’s so embarrassing it will make you all cringe.
What if KD stayed in OKC and actually beat the Warriors in a rematch and meets the Cavs in the Finals????
It's going to be HARD changing the narrative that KD hopped on the gsw bandwagon because gsw core proved they don't need him for championships. Steph proved he can win without him.. NOW KD has to prove that he can win without gsw. And that's a tall order..
KD never played with a good supporting cast until Golden State. Kyrie barely played in Brooklyn, James was hurt, Suns Traded their whole bench to get Kd so now they have no depth, Okc had no shooters or true point guards… KD still took the bucks to the playoffs by himself.
Yea Bron nem was da first 2 do it wit da super team but dey wasn’t unstoppable 💯😂 Golden state was unstoppable for 2 years straight like dey cleared every team in da playoffs not even closed. Da heat wit bron had problems even wen dey won chips 💯😂
KD saved their legacy. How it up. They could not get pass Lebron
It’s a finals mvp every year on a team but never a finals MVP gets more credit than kd gets.
Kd is one of my favorite player but KD with curry is a two time champion. KD WITHOUT CURRY ITS BASICALLY NOTHING, THOMAS IS NO BODY TODAY NOONE REMEMBERED HIM, NOONE TALK ABOUT HIM, HIS NOT EVEN TOP 20 AND WANTS TO TALK ABOUT A TOP 10 PLAYER 😂😂😂😂 BYE
*KD going to Golden State is an great example of fear and the greatness of LJ* and Kyrie, Love and the rest of the Cavs were spectacular 2016 winning the Championship beating GS up 3-1 1st in NBA history.
*If KD doesn't go to GSW, LJ and the Cavs are winning the 2017, 2018 Championship* pending Kyrie stays, matures and accepts his role as No. 2. (because MJ never won with Scotty and the crew, Kobe didn't win without Shaq & Gasol and the crew).
*Nobody ever did something like this in nba history to just to beat MJ*
Also, LJ going to Miami is NOT the same as KD goig to the warriors. LJ left the Cavs after 7 years of nothing and 1 Finals appearance in 2007 to compete against Celtics 4 Hall of Famers with PP, KG, Ray, and Rondo and Spurs 3 Hall of Famers with Tim Ducan, Parker, Ginobili, OKC with KD, Russ, Harden (3 Hall of Famers & all will be eventual NBA MVPs).
*While playing Miami LJ was back to back NBA MVP, Finals MVP, and Champion The Triple Crown of the NBA in my opinion* and furthermore *LJ arguably robbed of the DPOY award in 2013* the league gifting it to Marc dang Garsol when he was 2nd team defense and wasnt 1st team like LJ and the best defender that year.
*This means LJ was the best in league and on his team in Miami* even with Wade and Bosh and Ray Allen.
*KD never won anything outside of GS* and the hired mercenary was ship away 1 yeat later.
*All of this was done to keep LJ from more rings and stop his momentum after 2016* because GS had no answer for him.
*This also why Draymond views LJ as the GOAT* he could've been 2017 & 2018 NBA champion and still dominant today.
*As for Golden States Curry, Klay and Draymond legacies they are cemented anyway they won in 2015 and 2022 without KD* but KD legacy is forever tarnished because he did see that he was being used.
KD Definitely Didn’t SAVE Their Legacy…He Helped Grow And Cement It As A Dynasty…But If Anything They SAVED KD’s Legacy…Both Parties Needed Each-other But The Warriors Did Win A Title Already And Were Going To Be Very Much In The Mix Going Forward…I Do Think The Warriors Needed KD To Get Past LeBron & Kyrie Led Cavs In That Stretch Though
Isiah Thomas is PROOF POSITIVE that just because you're a professional. . .even a Hall Of Famer. . .does NOT mean your opinions make sense. The man simply does Not Think Clearly. Period
Yeah. Except his own.
Kevin Durant did not save GSW’s dynasty…Warriors gave Durant 2 championships…Durant could not win championships without the Warriors, he has Kyrie and Harden but still did not win the Eastern Conference lol…then went to Phoenix with Booker went fishing early 😂 even with OKC he has Harden and Westbrook and still could not win a championship…make story short - Isiah Thomas is a joke! 😂