I'm a film and media art teacher and a cinematographer too, you have just done an entire curriculum in 8:23 minutes with absolute expression and understanding... Well-done
Another one is I believe all cine lenses use T-Stops instead of F-Stops (at least all the ones I’ve seen). Which from my understanding makes it possible to exactly match exposure between different lenses, although I’ve never had to do this myself. Since a T-Stop is an actual measured / confirmed value instead of F-Stop that is calculated / theoretical.
F-stops are the ratio between the front element (entrance pupil) and focal length. For example a 50mm f/1.0 lens will have a front element that's 50mm wide, while a 50mm f/2.0 lens will have a front element that's 25mm wide. T-stops also take internal light loss into account.
I’ve been watching literally dozens of vids on the subject, this was the most straight forward, self explanatory of’em all by a large margin, thank you 🙏
Wow, I’m only an amateur photographer but watching videos about cinema sure teaches a lot about photography as well. Thanks for the explanation, that was really interesting.
In some situations I find the shorter focus distance on photo lenses to be more convinient as a solo operator: it allows me to use my nucleus nano with my thumb in tiny moves while holding my shoulder rig with both hands. This is not possible with a longer focus throw(I own a set of Zeiss distagon/planar and use the 28mm and 35mm a lot more than my 50mm and 85mm for that reason).
Cinema lens is better if you have a seperate focus puller. That's why its called cinema lens, there's no such thing as solo operator in Cinema industry.
Finally! 🙏 so many people throwing their cash on “cine” lenses - better get a gimbal, macro lens, drone, lights - these things will help you not a fancy lens. And I got used to pulling focus on photo glass too not as hard to do as one might think, just got to practice
An interesting topic. Upon seeing the thumbnail, I immediately wondered if there was a difference in image quality. Thank you for touching on that. Great job, as always.
For so many years I've only used Arriflex cine lenses and I rejected automatic lenses absolutely. Few years ago I purchased a Lumix camera that came with an automatic zoom lens, but I relegated the lens at the same day. But some weeks ago I tested the auto zoom just for fun, and do you know what: I like it, it has got some useful atvantages and I use it frequently now, because it's so easy to shoot with it.
Thank you for this video, I was looking up this information specifically and so many videos just end up talking about their favourite lens without explaining the difference between still and cine lenses. Now I understand!
I adjust the speed of the auto focus to make it look like a cinema rack Focus. My problem is security. I see people missing focus all the time with manual. I even see it in movies sometimes and I point it out.
Amazingly informative video! Searched for this exact information for a week! All I could find was how “great Rokinon and Meike lenses were for the price”. Like every single video had this same info. I have been eager to learn why each lens would be superior to the other in a given situation. All my questions answered! Thanks!
All true and good advice, although you haven't considered the Lumix systems, which now have Linear focus mode for MF. Now, your fly by wire lenses can act as a mechanical focus lens, with the advantage of being able to be set so the focus throat can go from super quick to extremely long (even longer than big cinema lenses) for that extra precision/control. Along with the Focus Transition feature for racking focus allowing to set 3 focus points, the game is truly changing for solo filmmakers.
Great watch. I though the T stop vs the F stop was another important difference. I thought that the T stop was more accurate when calculating and adjusting for changes in exposure and depth of field. I am just a photographer. So, my knowledge of cinema is limited.
crazy I haven’t even watched the full video and he said most people who came up shooting with a DSLR which I did mainly used a still lens auto focus but it’s crazy because when I was coming up I was actually using a Cine lens for my DSLR a Rokinon 35MM t1.5 with my T3I and T6I
The cine Lens uses T value. And the photography Lens uses F value. The F value is an approximation. So the exposure on the same f number differs from Lens to Lens. While the T value is an accurate mesure of Light.
Well, the major difference is that still lenses don’t need to be color matched to each other and cine does. Sigma happens to be one of the few who use the exact same coatings, glass and color matching on both stills and Cine. I have verified this directly from Sigma. I shoot Sigma stills lenses all day and love them. There are a handful of others that match as well, but its not all.
But I wonder why they generally aren't. It would make a ton of sense in situations where the final product isn't a single picture. I'm not an expert but I have used both types of lenses on both video/cine and still cameras. Mixing either way seems to give some drawbacks. For me it's essentially size/weight and very different needs for focusing. Others often mention the difference between cine and stills mounts, but IMO if you can somehow fix the lens to the rods of the camera, then it doesn't matter even if there was no locking at all. Pls no flame war. It's just my personal take 😁
@@hbp_ Ah, its actually very simple. you can’t view a picture in rapid succession. A shot between a wide an a mid shot in film takes 1/24th of a second. There is no way to view a photo that fast. So your eye doesn’t remember the color. This is thinking from yesteryear (when it was all shot on film). you are finding more and more that manufacturers are matching coatings now. But, its still not everyone. And, there are SO many fantastic stills lenses out there from yesteryear.
Wow. I made a video one time going from inside a building to outside and the exposure was incredibly off 🤐now I know why. I needed a cinema lens and should've adjusted the iris. Thank you!
para hacer una buena comparativa primero habría que trabajar con ambos lentes y dominar ambos tipos de enfoque, ya que parece una comparativa desde el punto de vista de alguien que solo monta un lente automático y deja que la camara haga todo sin siquiera conocer la camara y sus funciones, las camaras tienen una solución para cada una de las situaciones planteadas, ninguna de las quejas es un problema, para cada situación hay un ajuste, quien conoce bien su camara jamás tiene problemas con el auto enfoque mientras que el encargado de enfocar cada vez que falle tendrá que repetir una y otra vez hasta tener la toma.
Great video - thanks for explaining the reasons behind the price difference. It really helps me to make an informed choice and be happy with that choice. :)
Love your videos! I have a question. What microphone brand and type are you using for your TH-cam videos? Your audio is supreme. Are you recoding directly in camera?
Hello, there are already film lenses for 500 euros. Can you tell me if they are better for photography as well as film? If so, what are they better at? I want to buy it, but I don't know if it's worth it. Well thank you!
Im debating between the 3 lenses from Mitakon Zhongyi which are T1.0 and the Zoom lens from FZOFilm 10-24 T2.9, any opinions? I personally never use the primes to T1.0, I have the 17mm and is awesome but in real life I had never used it at T1.0
In the side by side comparison the second one looks dramatically softer almost if it wasn't focused correctly. Were currently thinking investing in FF Cine lenses, can you confirm that the Cine one was correctly focused?
I use my second cine lens as a photo lens on my cheapo b cam, mainly because despite the price of a cine lens, it’s still cheaper than a cine lens + photo lens. Also lets me change t stops on the lens itself instead of the awkward touch screen and also kind of neat for scouting a spot, you can match settings later when you bring the cine body around
All these years I thought "Cine" was a brand and didn't realize it means "cinema" I thought they must have good lenses because people keep talking about them.
Why are round ARRI, Cook, Leitz, Ziess top cine primes. At least ten to over twenty five times the price. If they are similar to quality. Of an eight hundred dollar lense? While true anamorphic lenses can be priced at one hundred thousand dollars.
I've got "stills" lenses that are older than you are, made for daily use to be used for DECADES. There's no validity in your statement about how long they are designed to be used for. They are made to be used, period.
I'm a film and media art teacher and a cinematographer too, you have just done an entire curriculum in 8:23 minutes with absolute expression and understanding... Well-done
thank you for the compliment :)
Another one is I believe all cine lenses use T-Stops instead of F-Stops (at least all the ones I’ve seen). Which from my understanding makes it possible to exactly match exposure between different lenses, although I’ve never had to do this myself. Since a T-Stop is an actual measured / confirmed value instead of F-Stop that is calculated / theoretical.
True!
F-stops are the ratio between the front element (entrance pupil) and focal length. For example a 50mm f/1.0 lens will have a front element that's 50mm wide, while a 50mm f/2.0 lens will have a front element that's 25mm wide. T-stops also take internal light loss into account.
I’ve been watching literally dozens of vids on the subject, this was the most straight forward, self explanatory of’em all by a large margin, thank you 🙏
Wow, I’m only an amateur photographer but watching videos about cinema sure teaches a lot about photography as well. Thanks for the explanation, that was really interesting.
In some situations I find the shorter focus distance on photo lenses to be more convinient as a solo operator: it allows me to use my nucleus nano with my thumb in tiny moves while holding my shoulder rig with both hands. This is not possible with a longer focus throw(I own a set of Zeiss distagon/planar and use the 28mm and 35mm a lot more than my 50mm and 85mm for that reason).
Is it possible to use your nucleus nano with the 50mm though, right?
Cinema lens is better if you have a seperate focus puller. That's why its called cinema lens, there's no such thing as solo operator in Cinema industry.
Finally! 🙏 so many people throwing their cash on “cine” lenses - better get a gimbal, macro lens, drone, lights - these things will help you not a fancy lens. And I got used to pulling focus on photo glass too not as hard to do as one might think, just got to practice
yeah if it's just about manual focus turn and clickless apperture, i've got several 30$ soviet lenses that can do that too
An interesting topic.
Upon seeing the thumbnail, I immediately wondered if there was a difference in image quality. Thank you for touching on that.
Great job, as always.
Most people do! It's really much more about the use of the lens than the final image.
For so many years I've only used Arriflex cine lenses and I rejected automatic lenses absolutely. Few years ago I purchased a Lumix camera that came with an automatic zoom lens, but I relegated the lens at the same day. But some weeks ago I tested the auto zoom just for fun, and do you know what: I like it, it has got some useful atvantages and I use it frequently now, because it's so easy to shoot with it.
Thank you for this video, I was looking up this information specifically and so many videos just end up talking about their favourite lens without explaining the difference between still and cine lenses. Now I understand!
I adjust the speed of the auto focus to make it look like a cinema rack Focus. My problem is security. I see people missing focus all the time with manual. I even see it in movies sometimes and I point it out.
i always explain it to people who are in to videos or photography in one sentence "autofocus can´t follow the story".
Amazingly informative video! Searched for this exact information for a week! All I could find was how “great Rokinon and Meike lenses were for the price”. Like every single video had this same info. I have been eager to learn why each lens would be superior to the other in a given situation. All my questions answered! Thanks!
All true and good advice, although you haven't considered the Lumix systems, which now have Linear focus mode for MF. Now, your fly by wire lenses can act as a mechanical focus lens, with the advantage of being able to be set so the focus throat can go from super quick to extremely long (even longer than big cinema lenses) for that extra precision/control. Along with the Focus Transition feature for racking focus allowing to set 3 focus points, the game is truly changing for solo filmmakers.
Great watch. I though the T stop vs the F stop was another important difference. I thought that the T stop was more accurate when calculating and adjusting for changes in exposure and depth of field.
I am just a photographer. So, my knowledge of cinema is limited.
crazy I haven’t even watched the full video and he said most people who came up shooting with a DSLR which I did mainly used a still lens auto focus but it’s crazy because when I was coming up I was actually using a Cine lens for my DSLR a Rokinon 35MM t1.5 with my T3I and T6I
That James bond shot was cold! I Love James bond movies.
The cine Lens uses T value. And the photography Lens uses F value.
The F value is an approximation. So the exposure on the same f number differs from Lens to Lens. While the T value is an accurate mesure of Light.
Great analogy at at the end with the cars
Excellent job sharing this educational knowledge with beginners like me! Appreciate the time you took to create this vid!
Well, the major difference is that still lenses don’t need to be color matched to each other and cine does. Sigma happens to be one of the few who use the exact same coatings, glass and color matching on both stills and Cine. I have verified this directly from Sigma. I shoot Sigma stills lenses all day and love them. There are a handful of others that match as well, but its not all.
But I wonder why they generally aren't. It would make a ton of sense in situations where the final product isn't a single picture.
I'm not an expert but I have used both types of lenses on both video/cine and still cameras. Mixing either way seems to give some drawbacks. For me it's essentially size/weight and very different needs for focusing. Others often mention the difference between cine and stills mounts, but IMO if you can somehow fix the lens to the rods of the camera, then it doesn't matter even if there was no locking at all.
Pls no flame war. It's just my personal take 😁
@@hbp_ Ah, its actually very simple. you can’t view a picture in rapid succession. A shot between a wide an a mid shot in film takes 1/24th of a second. There is no way to view a photo that fast. So your eye doesn’t remember the color. This is thinking from yesteryear (when it was all shot on film). you are finding more and more that manufacturers are matching coatings now. But, its still not everyone. And, there are SO many fantastic stills lenses out there from yesteryear.
@@ScottBalkum sure but the same issue arises if you are viewing two photos side-by-side. Surely it's easier to match just two frames in post.
Best explanation 👌🏽
Thanks for the info! Not interested in cine lenses myself, but it was cool to learn and you present the info in an approachable way!
Thanks David! More on the way.
Very good explanation that I was just looking for. Thank you
Wow. I made a video one time going from inside a building to outside and the exposure was incredibly off 🤐now I know why. I needed a cinema lens and should've adjusted the iris. Thank you!
para hacer una buena comparativa primero habría que trabajar con ambos lentes y dominar ambos tipos de enfoque, ya que parece una comparativa desde el punto de vista de alguien que solo monta un lente automático y deja que la camara haga todo sin siquiera conocer la camara y sus funciones, las camaras tienen una solución para cada una de las situaciones planteadas, ninguna de las quejas es un problema, para cada situación hay un ajuste, quien conoce bien su camara jamás tiene problemas con el auto enfoque mientras que el encargado de enfocar cada vez que falle tendrá que repetir una y otra vez hasta tener la toma.
Great video - thanks for explaining the reasons behind the price difference. It really helps me to make an informed choice and be happy with that choice. :)
great review. very helpful and to the point!
Excellent, to the point. Thank you.
Another big difference is that generally speaking, Cine lenses do not focus breath, whereas photo lenses often have very noticeable lens breathing.
Marvelous knowledge 🙏
very well done video!
Great video Rubidium!
I’d be worried about missing focus in a run and gun situation for travel films
Love your videos! I have a question. What microphone brand and type are you using for your TH-cam videos? Your audio is supreme. Are you recoding directly in camera?
Recording into camera with Saramonic Songbird V6. Epic mic
Hello, there are already film lenses for 500 euros. Can you tell me if they are better for photography as well as film? If so, what are they better at? I want to buy it, but I don't know if it's worth it. Well thank you!
Awesome!
Im debating between the 3 lenses from Mitakon Zhongyi which are T1.0 and the Zoom lens from FZOFilm 10-24 T2.9, any opinions? I personally never use the primes to T1.0, I have the 17mm and is awesome but in real life I had never used it at T1.0
Thank you for this video
In the side by side comparison the second one looks dramatically softer almost if it wasn't focused correctly. Were currently thinking investing in FF Cine lenses, can you confirm that the Cine one was correctly focused?
same sharpness. Yes, it very hard to focus a manual lens when you're not looking through the camera :)
@@Crimsonengine On 1:00 You are not in focus or have a bad lens, the difference there is obvious, very obvious. Please recheck.
@@zsusac1 not tru. U need some glasses
I use my second cine lens as a photo lens on my cheapo b cam, mainly because despite the price of a cine lens, it’s still cheaper than a cine lens + photo lens. Also lets me change t stops on the lens itself instead of the awkward touch screen and also kind of neat for scouting a spot, you can match settings later when you bring the cine body around
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it
if it's just about manual focus turn and clickless apperture, i've got several 30$ soviet lenses that can do that too
Well use comparing an Art lens with a cinema lens …why not compare the contemporary version ?
All these years I thought "Cine" was a brand and didn't realize it means "cinema" I thought they must have good lenses because people keep talking about them.
compare 7artisans cine lens and meike cine lens difference
Why are round ARRI, Cook, Leitz, Ziess top cine primes. At least ten to over twenty five times the price. If they are similar to quality. Of an eight hundred dollar lense? While true anamorphic lenses can be priced at one hundred thousand dollars.
How's the marketing for your short film coming?
7:23 bad example.. You cant tell two people getting married to send everyone home and come back tomorrow for the rest of the wedding.
THIS IS MY FIRST LIKE ON THE VIDEO IN MY ENTIRE LIFE
I've got "stills" lenses that are older than you are, made for daily use to be used for DECADES. There's no validity in your statement about how long they are designed to be used for. They are made to be used, period.
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Just produce a good image. That is all.