In the states, it is illegal to record a defended with their lawyer. They have to turn everything off. If the defense lawyer realizes they are recorded, they can have everything thrown out of court. That is why as soon as a defendant asks for a lawyer, they end the interview.
To add to this, as investigators you don’t want to hear what they say either or have any inadmissible information which is unrecorded. If the defense lawyer can demonstrate the investigation resulted from information gleaned this way all the products of that line of investigation can be thrown out. The only way to save it then is to find some other completely independent plausible explanation for how you could have followed the line of reasoning.
The Supreme Court has ruled that people who commit crimes under 18 cannot receive a life sentence without the possibility of parole. That's why the sentences are 20, 25 or 35 years to life. Once the number of years in completed, release is not guaranteed. The convict must go before the parole board to get released. The person who murdered my family member gets a parole hearing every two years.
Also just cause they say their up for parole at a certain period doesn’t mean they will be awarded parole. They have to go in front of a committee and the family of murdered person can make a statement and then there is a decision if parole is awarded or denied
I use to work with kids and kills who killed their parents were in another building for treatment. These kids were from ages 5 to 10. Most came from good homes. they don't understand it, because it can be extreme from being abused and from not being disciplined at all. A few of the kids went into a full rage when they were told NO for the first time. They did these actions not being on any prescribed drug being diagnosed with mental health issues.
Almost every criminal defense lawyer in the U.S. does not want to know if you did the murder, because he is an officer of the court, and is not allowed to lie in the court room. So, it would drastically alter the way he could defend you. And they cannot listen to a conversation between lawyer and client, it is unconstitutional.
If kids are charged as adults their names get released. Eligible for parole doesn't mean parole. Charles Manson was denied parole 12 times before dying in prison. Charles Manson never actually killed anyone. The guy that killed his family and will be eligible in 30yrs at age 52. They won't ever let him out.
I think things haven't gotten worse than in the past for the most part anyway. The difference is actually that these things are much more likely to be reported in a way that the public finds out about it. In the past, if something like this happened, you'd never hear about it on the news. Much like violence in schools. It didn't start with Colonbine it was happening long before then. In fact, the worst example of mass murder at a school was a guy who put a bunch of dynamite around a school before it opened, then set it off once everyone showed up. Killing every single child and teacher inside and causing the school to collapse. The past wasn't better it was just less connected, and people didn't find out about every little thing.
It’s the parents!!!! My sister is a teacher and her students parents will never acknowledge their kids bad behavior. It’s always someone else’s fault. I grew up in the 80’s and was held responsible for my actions. Threw a rock that hit a kid in the head and the police came looking for me and had a talk. My dad grabbed me by the throat and raised me off the ground after hitting my sister with a chain. Lessons learned!!!
I previously worked security in a hospital where one night I was stood next to the door of the psyche ward watching out the window as an ambulance arrives with a guy who had just killed his wife and kids and even the dog and had failed to end himself. Watched them work on him for about an hour while having the worst thoughts of how can you save this guy. It was a nurse who explained that he needed to survive so he can rot in prison while missing the good times. Yes! Rot in mental hell!
In America, all of these cases are more common due to the easy access to guns. Some people deny that reality, and will point to not all these killings were gun related… Though various methods were used throughout these different cases, more than 50% were carried out used a gun…
Some of the most effective medications for depression and other mental illnesses have potential side effects of feeling disconnected, increased depression, or can actually cause feelings of hostility and aggression. The percentage of those adversely affected is disproportionally higher in teens, and especially male teens. But people get angry if you talk about the meds because they do help a majority.
While legally minors, there are Courts that determine whether a juvenile will be tried as a adult. If these are “children” being given life sentences, they likely are being tried as an adult. As such, it may be legally possible to “out” their identity and likeness. In addition, in the US the government isn’t allowed to hold a private trial. The public (the jury) decides guilt. Government isn’t allowed to. This helps us keep the government from charging or trying people in secret. This may also be a factor in video recording trials.
In order for a child to be convicted with a life sentence, they have to be tried as an adult, therefore they aren't protected as a minor for their crimes. This includes media coverage.
There is a problem in the USA that started about 30 years ago. Sentencing for violent crimes has dropped to ridiculous levels. Murderers are often out of jail in 5- years. Armed robbers just a couple of years. It has caused crime to explode in the inner cities with revolving doors on the prisons. People with 10 or even 20 convictions running around the streets
The murder rate in 1990 was WAY higher than now. In NYC in 1990, there were 2,245 murders. In 2017, there were 292 murders despite a larger population. Murders have gone up a bit in the past six years, 318 in 2019, 418 for 2022. But for a city that huge, it's nothing like it was in the 1970's-1990's. Even the 1960's was higher. NYC is back to early 1950's levels despite a much larger population.
I watched a documentary on that first case and her dad didn't abuse her. She had claimed that her mom and stepdad were abusive in order to go live with her dad because she had more independence. Once Dad told her no, she killed him and claimed abuse. Manipulative sociopath, such a sad story
Just because these "kids" have an opportunity of parole after 18, 20, 25 years, doesn't mean they're going to get it. Almost certainly not at their first parole hearing. Most will likely have 3 or more hearings before they get out.
It's 18 to LIFE.... so it's a life sentence.... but he's not eligible for parole until 18 years. It's pretty rare that someone sentence to life gets released... it happens, but rare.
The confidentiality between attorney and client has been addressed, but if a client confesses their guilt to their attorney, that attorney is still ethically required to provide a zealous representation. However, the attorney is also strictly prevented by the ethical rules from lying or knowingly allowing one of their witnesses to lie to the court. So the attorney may still attack the prosecution’s evidence and create doubt in the minds of the jury, but they may not lie or submit false evidence. Some attorneys will do so anyway, but most follow the ethical rules while also working hard to provide aggressive representation. Realistically, also, most cases like that will end up with a plea bargain rather than going all the way to a jury verdict.
You guys are misunderstanding POSSIBILITY of parole for guaranteed parol. It differs everywhere, but certain crimes are so bad it's hard for a parole board to ever let them out. A lot of these seem like an almost 0 chance of parole.
Sometimes, the parents are fighting them the whole way and the system won't let them. I know someone whose son was punching holes in the walls and throwing things. When the cops were called, they were told the crime was property damage and as a minor the parent would pay the fine.... TO DAMAGE OF THE PARENT'S PROPERY. We should not always assume it is the parent
25:00 The issue with that one is the parents didn't just lose one child that they had a small amount of time, they lost two children and one was in their life for 17 years. Could they ever forgive him for what he had done, or do they.... not sure how its justice if one of your children is killed in an "accident" caused by the other child and that child then gets sent to prison leaving you even more emotionally destroyed.
Those interrogation calls are totally admissable. Usually they've been or are mirandized beforehand. "Anything you say can and will be used against you.......". Same with jail calls, notified on call of possible recording but they're ALL recorded.
Dave said the conversations with your solicitor ( lawyer) were not admissable. Not the phone calls. When someone asks for a lawyer, they are no longer cooperating with the questioning of the cops. They have to stop interrogating the would-be suspect.Therefore anything they say cannot be used against them in a court of law.
So it wasn't until about 5 years ago that in the US that our Supreme Court banned life sentences without parole for juveniles (those under 18). If the criminal offender is 17 or under at the time at the time of offense, they have to be given a meaningful chance of reform. Each state will have their different standards for appropriate punishment and rehabilitation efforts (California, New York, Louisiana, Rhode Island, or Texas all would have vastly different policies as to how this is implemented both at a court level, prison level, and parole level. This is still relatively new in the US so lots of life time offenders are now being released/ given a fair shot if they meet certain criteria. This doesn't mean that a juvenile cannot be tried as an adult, but that at sentencing you have to take into account the age at which the offense was committed- there are 2 criminal justice courts (juvenile and adult), and depending on the age, nature of the offense, and history of the offender, that will determine which court hears the case (and has jurisdiction over it).
The phones literally tell you that they are recording you. Work with a guy whos girls sister was assaulted and damn near killed and he pretty much did himself in by talking on the phone about what he did and trying to set up pressure on the witness.
Parole in the US doesn’t guarantee you will get out. In fact most parole hearings will call any surviving family or friends to be there at the hearing to make a statement. Most murderers won’t get parole but it depends on the circumstances involved.
If your parents were beating you, chaining you to the wall, or starving you on a regular basis; maybe you’d have a case for self-defense. In all these cases, these kids were just selfish, sadistic, impulsive A-holes. Most of them got off way too easy.
Everyone absolutely deserves the right to a fair trial, but I couldn't imagine being a defense attorney who has to represent someone who is clearly evil and you know they're guilty. I guess that's when you get stuck with a state appointed attorney, or a lawyer who will sell their soul for the right price.
I think the one that got 45 years was passive aggressively mistreated by his family along with mistreating each other. So he wouldn't of known why he felt bad after interactions with them.
@@kikibigbangfan3540 If your child is mentally unstable, its your job to get him help... lol denying medical treatment to a child is a crime. Sounds like they just paid the price for their neglect.
@@nullakjg767 you're assuming that the family recognized he MIGHT have had mental issues. This was a very long time ago. Mental health awareness is fairly new topic of open discussion. Stop applying today's access and availability to knowledge to educate one's self, on yesterday's lack of understanding on mental disorders and how the present and effect people. But the fact that he was very calm and matter of fact about planning on killing his family for awhile. Sounds very calculated with some sense of wrong doing and clear mental state not to show his instability outwardly to others.
If a minor is charged as an adult they lose their confidentiality in many jurisdictions here in the States. And even without that the rules are kind of blurry to begin with.
You remember Ariel Castro the guy that had all those girls trapped in his house? Neighbours said he was a nice guy. He drove the school bus. Everyone thought Ted Bundy was nice and charismatic. Do you see where I'm going with this? You can't assume because that man's family said he was a good dude that he was actually a good dude behind the scenes to his daughter. Either she's evil, or she was right about her father and crossed paths with a boy who was a bad influence (the way he had his hands around her neck in the video gave me red flags).
Yeah Mr Ballen did a great video on that case like a year or so ago. There doesn’t seem to be anything to suggest Sierra’s accusations against her dad were anything more than an attempt to justify what they did because he didn’t want his 15 year old daughter dating an adult (who clearly had issues on top of that)
Yeah, but a possibility of parole doesn't necessarily mean that they will be turned loose after serving the initial sentence. Brenda Spencer has been up for parole 4 times and is still in prison.
Knowing right from wrong is separate from the ability to make good decisions. That's usually the piece that's in play when juveniles are being charged. Few states will allow a child under a certain age (16 i think) to receive a life sentence. Occasionally you see 17 y.o. get charged as an adult, depending on the crime.
@@WaitWhoWhat If a kid doesnt feel comfortable telling his parent whats wrong, its because of the parent. YOure the kinda guy who treats someone like garbage for years and then wonders why "they betray you"? Do you often lose friends? it must happen a lot to you. It never happened to me. If you treat people well, they like you. You should try it.
@nullakjg767 I don't treat people poorly, but I'm not surprised you'd jump to such petty things. There are some things that are seen as taboo in society that will make it quite difficult to talk about, even with people you truly trust. A much lesser example of mental illness that you couldn't speak of without getting basically made fun of recently is being depressed as a man. People would call you a bitch for something like that. Now imagine how tough it would be to try to explain to someone that you have thoughts about killing others. It's not as simple as you try to make it seem. It's not "me good to people, so people be good to me." People can have serious mental illnesses that they will tell nobody about.
in the US it s all about money, even with murder, if you have enough money to pay the defense attorney , the prosecutor and the judge if you have enough to line all those pockets well you will get off
I personally have 0 sympathy for kids (and adults) who kill others. I can get behind a kid getting back at an abuser but often, it’s not the real reason for the murder.
In the US, all conversations between a lawyer and his or her client are private. The police cannot record nor listen to them. Doing so, means jail time and lost of job. A criminal can legally confess his or her crime and the lawyer cannot tell anyone about it without losing his or her career plus many criminal charges. Upon getting a confession, the lawyer has keep defending the client without breaking any law or decide to quit. He can never legally talk about his private conversations.
They can if the client is a substantial threat, and others may be in danger. It's a small loophole, but a necessary one. If your client tells you he dumped toxic waste into the city water supply, you damn well better tell someone about it.
The thing about mental illness is nonsense. That one kid had an obvious personality disorder, which is different. people with Illnesses like bipolar or depression etc. are far more likely to be the victim of violence, especially from police.
American justice system is disgusting. Jails and prisons are privatized so its a business. Everyone is capable of horrible crimes because humans have an amazing/ability to adapt to any situation. Murder is never justified but soldiers do it and get treated like crap after. Im also tired of hearing generations of people saying "these kids nowadays". Start paying attention to the smart kids not all of them are dumb.
You guys should really check out the history of the lobotomies that were performed in the United States. It's extremely unsettling that these kinds of things were ever allowed to happen. Especially when the inventor of the procedure was neither a doctor or a surgeon. But nonetheless was allowed to instruct doctors and surgeons to perform the untested and dangerous lobotomies that he had invented and performed without a license or any qualifications whatever. As horrible as it was. It's a very interesting story.
Even 15 years seemed harsh. He accidentally started a fire and couldn’t save the baby, I don’t think he had any intention to kill plus he had autism, that was a harsh sentence
The one that killed his siblings disgusts me. I'm a pacifist so ANY killing disgusts me in general, but I'm an oldest sister by quite a bit (I'm 10 years older than my twin siblings and nearly 13 years older than my baby sibling) and I honestly would kill FOR them, my pacifism would go out the door, I love them so much. I have no children so my siblings are the ones I love most in this world. That kid just killing his baby siblings???? You can't have a human soul and do that, in my opinion.
In my opinion they don't deserve to live on taxpayer money _ these people get what they deserve _ never feel pain for somebody that takes another person's life unnecessarily
That's why some states have the death penalty. Unfortunately, lethal injection usually is painless which is why some people want to bring back death by electric chair, hanging, or firing squad. The loved ones of the victim should be allowed to be a part of that firing squad too.
@@YouOnlyIiveTwice lol the kid IS the victims loved one. The whole thing is the parents treat their kids so badly that their children now hate them. The better lesson is, if you treat your loved ones like garbage, dont be surprised if they murder you.
17:22 BS also facts are wrong. The game was Halo 3 which came out in 2007 He didn't believe he was in the game or whatever, that was just another BS lie to use video games as a scapegoat like the media and others had been doing since like 2004 at that point to put blame on kids and teens actions rather than behavioral disorders from poor parenting, or likely new age bullying and things being put in foods, drinks, and the water, along with then behavioral meds that caused more harm than good. He became depressed after his accident and video games helped him cope, like how some people turn to food he turned to video games. He would play Halo at his friends house for up to 8 hours until he his friend had to go to bed. The claim was his dad "disapproved of video game violence" because of the Bible and during the case they tried making out and saying Halo was an extremely violent "M" rated game where you violently killed aliens who had human voices. Halo 3 had just released and his dad would not let him buy it, id guess he didnt want him playing it 24/7. Daniel ended up buying it behind his fathers back, and when his dad found out he took it away from him placing it in the safe where the gun that was used was also in. Daniel finally found the safe key after about a week and did what he did. It would not have matter what game it was he would had still done this, kids and teens have done the same thing over having their phones, computers, cars, even cloths and makeup being taking away, even because their parents would not buy them a phone, or the new cloths or makeup line all of their friends would have or the cool kids would have As for the dad forgiving his son, well that's the whole something else has to be to blame for these horrific actions, my kid was a good kid it has to be these Satanic video games that alter his mind.
Video games just do the opposite. They allow you to relax. All studies on whether games cause aggression show that this is nonsense. A mentally ill person should not play games that include violence. It is never the fault of video games.
The only people I feel sorry for are the ones who killed their abuser because they felt they had no other alternative. They were being abused all their lives and they ended that abuse the only way they could. But the rest of them, let them rot.
in my opinion your not dropping your child when they do something wrong making them fce the consequences is not abandoning them I know I love my kids and would visit them in prison do the crime you better be prepared to do the time
@@nullakjg767 I'm talking the adults the young ones obviously arent able to control themselves completely but yea if my kid tried to kill me id figure i had done something wrong even more of a reason to make them pay the consequences without losing a support system
lol you realize the people who vote for things like the death penalty are the same people who vote for keeping money out of the hands of the poor right? They use your short sighted need for violence to manipulate you into voting for people who directly make you poor. The last guy who was pro death penalty raised taxes for the poor in a way where it would increase signifcantly AFTER he was out of office. You are getting played so hard and its all your fault lol. Its actually hilarious that you are broke because of it.
Bruh you can hit the spacebar to play or just click anywhere in the video without having to put the cursor on the pause/play button to start the video.
In the United States Miranda Rights apply unless a suspect pleads the Fifth Amendment. This means that anything a suspect says at any point may be used against them unless they appeal the right to not self-incriminate at which point their words can’t be used in the case for better or worse.
Pleading the Fifth is only a thing when called as a witness in a case in which the witness may face jeopardy. Being given immunity would negate any Fifth Amendment right. If a subject of an investigation tells a detective “i plead the fifth” then confesses their confession can absolutely use that confession against the subject.
Tell the commentator of the video (not the reactors) to leave their opinions out! Don’t give a cr@p about who he thinks deserves to wear an “orange jumper”!!!
Nobody had football pitches or skate parks 200 years ago and yet I've never heard of any epidemics of kids killing their families or even getting into serious trouble to where prison was required.
There were also way less people 200 years ago, with limited technology. Not to mention a lot of people lived far away from each other and kids could have killed their whole family and no one would actually noticed.
I don't care what anyone says, you know at a very young age killing someone is wrong. How i see it is if you kill someone besides if it is self defense, or defending others, or your property, you should be put to sleep too regardless.
In the states, it is illegal to record a defended with their lawyer. They have to turn everything off. If the defense lawyer realizes they are recorded, they can have everything thrown out of court. That is why as soon as a defendant asks for a lawyer, they end the interview.
To add to this, as investigators you don’t want to hear what they say either or have any inadmissible information which is unrecorded. If the defense lawyer can demonstrate the investigation resulted from information gleaned this way all the products of that line of investigation can be thrown out. The only way to save it then is to find some other completely independent plausible explanation for how you could have followed the line of reasoning.
The Supreme Court has ruled that people who commit crimes under 18 cannot receive a life sentence without the possibility of parole. That's why the sentences are 20, 25 or 35 years to life. Once the number of years in completed, release is not guaranteed. The convict must go before the parole board to get released. The person who murdered my family member gets a parole hearing every two years.
It’s absolutely sick that people would do this to their family.
You have no idea how easy it is to kill your entire family, most of the time they trust you. Allah's will is most fortuitous.
Imagine how the killers must feel...
@@madeincda ?
Why? They raised them like that. Maybe thats what they wanted. If you raise a kid to hate you, thats on you.
@@nullakjg767this is a very stupid comment
As Dave Chappelle asked, How old is 15, really?
Another thing to keep in mind is the parole chances in America are usually quite low for charges like this.
Also just cause they say their up for parole at a certain period doesn’t mean they will be awarded parole. They have to go in front of a committee and the family of murdered person can make a statement and then there is a decision if parole is awarded or denied
I use to work with kids and kills who killed their parents were in another building for treatment. These kids were from ages 5 to 10. Most came from good homes. they don't understand it, because it can be extreme from being abused and from not being disciplined at all. A few of the kids went into a full rage when they were told NO for the first time. They did these actions not being on any prescribed drug being diagnosed with mental health issues.
Daz being completely amazed by the 16yr old boy with a girlfriend that has 2 babies...
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Yep that sounds about right😅
Almost every criminal defense lawyer in the U.S. does not want to know if you did the murder, because he is an officer of the court, and is not allowed to lie in the court room. So, it would drastically alter the way he could defend you. And they cannot listen to a conversation between lawyer and client, it is unconstitutional.
It’s Dave he don’t fact check; he always knows the gist of it 😂
The irony is that the couple that killed her dad over bein forbidden to date most likely never see eachother again.
If kids are charged as adults their names get released. Eligible for parole doesn't mean parole. Charles Manson was denied parole 12 times before dying in prison. Charles Manson never actually killed anyone. The guy that killed his family and will be eligible in 30yrs at age 52. They won't ever let him out.
The law isn't about who is right or wrong it is about what you can prove. the reason why high profile or well connected ppl can get away with murder
I think things haven't gotten worse than in the past for the most part anyway. The difference is actually that these things are much more likely to be reported in a way that the public finds out about it. In the past, if something like this happened, you'd never hear about it on the news.
Much like violence in schools. It didn't start with Colonbine it was happening long before then. In fact, the worst example of mass murder at a school was a guy who put a bunch of dynamite around a school before it opened, then set it off once everyone showed up. Killing every single child and teacher inside and causing the school to collapse. The past wasn't better it was just less connected, and people didn't find out about every little thing.
The thumbnail though!
"Laugh at my pain" ~Kevin Hart
It’s the parents!!!! My sister is a teacher and her students parents will never acknowledge their kids bad behavior. It’s always someone else’s fault. I grew up in the 80’s and was held responsible for my actions. Threw a rock that hit a kid in the head and the police came looking for me and had a talk. My dad grabbed me by the throat and raised me off the ground after hitting my sister with a chain. Lessons learned!!!
of course, you blame everyone but these whyte murderers.
I previously worked security in a hospital where one night I was stood next to the door of the psyche ward watching out the window as an ambulance arrives with a guy who had just killed his wife and kids and even the dog and had failed to end himself. Watched them work on him for about an hour while having the worst thoughts of how can you save this guy. It was a nurse who explained that he needed to survive so he can rot in prison while missing the good times. Yes! Rot in mental hell!
And because medical workers take an oath and live by that oath. Death is also often the easy way to escape punishment, like you said.
It’s not that it happens more, it’s that we get to know of them instantly from a wider net. Many of those were over 10 years ago and some in the 90’s.
In America, all of these cases are more common due to the easy access to guns. Some people deny that reality, and will point to not all these killings were gun related… Though various methods were used throughout these different cases, more than 50% were carried out used a gun…
The mental health care system is horrible in the U.S. There is just not enough people in that field, honestly we need asylums built back up.
Some of the most effective medications for depression and other mental illnesses have potential side effects of feeling disconnected, increased depression, or can actually cause feelings of hostility and aggression. The percentage of those adversely affected is disproportionally higher in teens, and especially male teens. But people get angry if you talk about the meds because they do help a majority.
While legally minors, there are Courts that determine whether a juvenile will be tried as a adult.
If these are “children” being given life sentences, they likely are being tried as an adult. As such, it may be legally possible to “out” their identity and likeness.
In addition, in the US the government isn’t allowed to hold a private trial. The public (the jury) decides guilt. Government isn’t allowed to. This helps us keep the government from charging or trying people in secret. This may also be a factor in video recording trials.
aka "is the kid black"
@@nullakjg767 No.
Minor victims have protection but young offenders lose that privacy.
The Supreme Court of the US ruled that life without parole is not a possible sentence for juvenile offenders
In order for a child to be convicted with a life sentence, they have to be tried as an adult, therefore they aren't protected as a minor for their crimes. This includes media coverage.
There is a problem in the USA that started about 30 years ago. Sentencing for violent crimes has dropped to ridiculous levels. Murderers are often out of jail in 5- years. Armed robbers just a couple of years. It has caused crime to explode in the inner cities with revolving doors on the prisons. People with 10 or even 20 convictions running around the streets
The murder rate in 1990 was WAY higher than now. In NYC in 1990, there were 2,245 murders. In 2017, there were 292 murders despite a larger population. Murders have gone up a bit in the past six years, 318 in 2019, 418 for 2022. But for a city that huge, it's nothing like it was in the 1970's-1990's. Even the 1960's was higher. NYC is back to early 1950's levels despite a much larger population.
@@mindfulness123 murder isn't the only violent crime.
The last man in this video Jacob Morgan was released in Dec 2022.
I watched a documentary on that first case and her dad didn't abuse her. She had claimed that her mom and stepdad were abusive in order to go live with her dad because she had more independence. Once Dad told her no, she killed him and claimed abuse. Manipulative sociopath, such a sad story
hahaha kids on deathrow is the title and the thumbnail shows all 3 of them laughing. lolololololol
Just because these "kids" have an opportunity of parole after 18, 20, 25 years, doesn't mean they're going to get it. Almost certainly not at their first parole hearing. Most will likely have 3 or more hearings before they get out.
It's 18 to LIFE.... so it's a life sentence.... but he's not eligible for parole until 18 years.
It's pretty rare that someone sentence to life gets released... it happens, but rare.
The confidentiality between attorney and client has been addressed, but if a client confesses their guilt to their attorney, that attorney is still ethically required to provide a zealous representation. However, the attorney is also strictly prevented by the ethical rules from lying or knowingly allowing one of their witnesses to lie to the court. So the attorney may still attack the prosecution’s evidence and create doubt in the minds of the jury, but they may not lie or submit false evidence. Some attorneys will do so anyway, but most follow the ethical rules while also working hard to provide aggressive representation. Realistically, also, most cases like that will end up with a plea bargain rather than going all the way to a jury verdict.
You guys are misunderstanding POSSIBILITY of parole for guaranteed parol. It differs everywhere, but certain crimes are so bad it's hard for a parole board to ever let them out. A lot of these seem like an almost 0 chance of parole.
Sometimes, the parents are fighting them the whole way and the system won't let them. I know someone whose son was punching holes in the walls and throwing things. When the cops were called, they were told the crime was property damage and as a minor the parent would pay the fine.... TO DAMAGE OF THE PARENT'S PROPERY. We should not always assume it is the parent
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The issue with that one is the parents didn't just lose one child that they had a small amount of time, they lost two children and one was in their life for 17 years.
Could they ever forgive him for what he had done, or do they.... not sure how its justice if one of your children is killed in an "accident" caused by the other child and that child then gets sent to prison leaving you even more emotionally destroyed.
Those interrogation calls are totally admissable. Usually they've been or are mirandized beforehand. "Anything you say can and will be used against you.......". Same with jail calls, notified on call of possible recording but they're ALL recorded.
Dave said the conversations with your solicitor ( lawyer) were not admissable. Not the phone calls. When someone asks for a lawyer, they are no longer cooperating with the questioning of the cops. They have to stop interrogating the would-be suspect.Therefore anything they say cannot be used against them in a court of law.
@@kikibigbangfan3540 I must've misheard but yes, agree with you totally.
They can't record anything between the lawyer and the defendant. They have to turn all recording off.
So it wasn't until about 5 years ago that in the US that our Supreme Court banned life sentences without parole for juveniles (those under 18). If the criminal offender is 17 or under at the time at the time of offense, they have to be given a meaningful chance of reform. Each state will have their different standards for appropriate punishment and rehabilitation efforts (California, New York, Louisiana, Rhode Island, or Texas all would have vastly different policies as to how this is implemented both at a court level, prison level, and parole level. This is still relatively new in the US so lots of life time offenders are now being released/ given a fair shot if they meet certain criteria. This doesn't mean that a juvenile cannot be tried as an adult, but that at sentencing you have to take into account the age at which the offense was committed- there are 2 criminal justice courts (juvenile and adult), and depending on the age, nature of the offense, and history of the offender, that will determine which court hears the case (and has jurisdiction over it).
Depending on the severity of the crime, the kid could be tried as an adult. Meaning the are eligible for life without parole
Daz getting bleeped out is criminal 😂
The phones literally tell you that they are recording you. Work with a guy whos girls sister was assaulted and damn near killed and he pretty much did himself in by talking on the phone about what he did and trying to set up pressure on the witness.
Parole in the US doesn’t guarantee you will get out. In fact most parole hearings will call any surviving family or friends to be there at the hearing to make a statement. Most murderers won’t get parole but it depends on the circumstances involved.
If your parents were beating you, chaining you to the wall, or starving you on a regular basis; maybe you’d have a case for self-defense. In all these cases, these kids were just selfish, sadistic, impulsive A-holes. Most of them got off way too easy.
Their parents raised them into that. If anything the parents should be charged if hes under 18.
Everyone absolutely deserves the right to a fair trial, but I couldn't imagine being a defense attorney who has to represent someone who is clearly evil and you know they're guilty. I guess that's when you get stuck with a state appointed attorney, or a lawyer who will sell their soul for the right price.
I think the one that got 45 years was passive aggressively mistreated by his family along with mistreating each other. So he wouldn't of known why he felt bad after interactions with them.
Reaching! or maybe he was just mentally unstable all on his own and nothing to do with his family or how he was feeling.
@@kikibigbangfan3540 If your child is mentally unstable, its your job to get him help... lol denying medical treatment to a child is a crime. Sounds like they just paid the price for their neglect.
@@nullakjg767 you're assuming that the family recognized he MIGHT have had mental issues. This was a very long time ago. Mental health awareness is fairly new topic of open discussion. Stop applying today's access and availability to knowledge to educate one's self, on yesterday's lack of understanding on mental disorders and how the present and effect people. But the fact that he was very calm and matter of fact about planning on killing his family for awhile. Sounds very calculated with some sense of wrong doing and clear mental state not to show his instability outwardly to others.
In the US, for a kid to be sentenced to life, they must be tried as an adult.
If a minor is charged as an adult they lose their confidentiality in many jurisdictions here in the States. And even without that the rules are kind of blurry to begin with.
You remember Ariel Castro the guy that had all those girls trapped in his house? Neighbours said he was a nice guy. He drove the school bus. Everyone thought Ted Bundy was nice and charismatic. Do you see where I'm going with this? You can't assume because that man's family said he was a good dude that he was actually a good dude behind the scenes to his daughter. Either she's evil, or she was right about her father and crossed paths with a boy who was a bad influence (the way he had his hands around her neck in the video gave me red flags).
They killed her dad because he wouldn't allow them dating. She was 15 and he was 19 i think.
Yeah Mr Ballen did a great video on that case like a year or so ago.
There doesn’t seem to be anything to suggest Sierra’s accusations against her dad were anything more than an attempt to justify what they did because he didn’t want his 15 year old daughter dating an adult (who clearly had issues on top of that)
What I want to know about the last one is why parents would leave a baby alone with teen that had set a fire 2 weeks prior?!
Yeah, but a possibility of parole doesn't necessarily mean that they will be turned loose after serving the initial sentence. Brenda Spencer has been up for parole 4 times and is still in prison.
Knowing right from wrong is separate from the ability to make good decisions. That's usually the piece that's in play when juveniles are being charged. Few states will allow a child under a certain age (16 i think) to receive a life sentence. Occasionally you see 17 y.o. get charged as an adult, depending on the crime.
They all seem to only express remorse when the sentence is being handed down
Except the last one. The kid was freaking out the whole time.
Just like how the parents probably never considered they were doing a terrible job being a parent until they were in the middle of being killed.
@nullakjg767 That's assuming it's the parents' fault and not just the kid having issues and keeping them hidden.
@@WaitWhoWhat If a kid doesnt feel comfortable telling his parent whats wrong, its because of the parent. YOure the kinda guy who treats someone like garbage for years and then wonders why "they betray you"? Do you often lose friends? it must happen a lot to you. It never happened to me. If you treat people well, they like you. You should try it.
@nullakjg767 I don't treat people poorly, but I'm not surprised you'd jump to such petty things. There are some things that are seen as taboo in society that will make it quite difficult to talk about, even with people you truly trust. A much lesser example of mental illness that you couldn't speak of without getting basically made fun of recently is being depressed as a man. People would call you a bitch for something like that. Now imagine how tough it would be to try to explain to someone that you have thoughts about killing others. It's not as simple as you try to make it seem. It's not "me good to people, so people be good to me." People can have serious mental illnesses that they will tell nobody about.
The Phones in Prison say “You Are being Recorded”
Idk what Dave is talking about
The guy y'all said got concurrent actually got consecutive which ended up to be 25 years.
in the US it s all about money, even with murder, if you have enough money to pay the defense attorney , the prosecutor and the judge if you have enough to line all those pockets well you will get off
Social Media has defintiely made things worse for everyone
yall decided to go with the laughing thumbnail faces for this one? 😂
4:13 is it still worth it ? 😂😂
Insurance is the other problem with mental health, if you don't have the coverage, the hospital well refuse service.
I personally have 0 sympathy for kids (and adults) who kill others. I can get behind a kid getting back at an abuser but often, it’s not the real reason for the murder.
In the US, all conversations between a lawyer and his or her client are private. The police cannot record nor listen to them. Doing so, means jail time and lost of job.
A criminal can legally confess his or her crime and the lawyer cannot tell anyone about it without losing his or her career plus many criminal charges. Upon getting a confession, the lawyer has keep defending the client without breaking any law or decide to quit. He can never legally talk about his private conversations.
They can if the client is a substantial threat, and others may be in danger. It's a small loophole, but a necessary one. If your client tells you he dumped toxic waste into the city water supply, you damn well better tell someone about it.
@@ClayLoomis1958 There are many legal steps that need to be taken before a lawyer can reveal those private conversations.
can you provide any examples of when police have been jailed and lost their job for it?
Office bloke... Ricky... Gervais...😂
27:26 Lmao!! 😂🤣be careful Dave "They"
..will cancel you for saying Crazy-house
The Super Court ruled we must offer parole to juveniles, even Texas.
That's the only reason he didnt get the death penalty. TX dont play.
The thing about mental illness is nonsense. That one kid had an obvious personality disorder, which is different. people with Illnesses like bipolar or depression etc. are far more likely to be the victim of violence, especially from police.
American justice system is disgusting. Jails and prisons are privatized so its a business. Everyone is capable of horrible crimes because humans have an amazing/ability to adapt to any situation. Murder is never justified but soldiers do it and get treated like crap after. Im also tired of hearing generations of people saying "these kids nowadays". Start paying attention to the smart kids not all of them are dumb.
The first case i think was a Mr.Ballen story
You guys should really check out the history of the lobotomies that were performed in the United States. It's extremely unsettling that these kinds of things were ever allowed to happen. Especially when the inventor of the procedure was neither a doctor or a surgeon. But nonetheless was allowed to instruct doctors and surgeons to perform the untested and dangerous lobotomies that he had invented and performed without a license or any qualifications whatever.
As horrible as it was. It's a very interesting story.
Mr. Ballen did a bit on the first one. Link below
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You should try giving "disturban" a watch. Amazing crime/disturbing channel.
I dont know if this is true or not but I keep hearing a saying that teenagers have the same brain chemistry as serial killers.
considering "brain chemsitry" is a meaningless statement, i doubt it.
Ballen did one on Tyler Hadley too. Link below, its the second story.
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my high school friend killed his mom when he was 19. he stabbed her 32 times all over. drugs man
There weren’t this many pills and misdiagnosis etc when you were a kid either
I think it's a different guy than the one in the video, but a babysitter threw the babies at the wall. I literally mean thrown at a wall.
Im a macc lad, didn't know parkside was so well known.
Morgan’s reaction broke my heart. I’m glad he didn’t get life.
Even 15 years seemed harsh. He accidentally started a fire and couldn’t save the baby, I don’t think he had any intention to kill plus he had autism, that was a harsh sentence
@@MM-jc7uv According to the video he got 25 years, 10 + 15 to be run consecutively.
The one that killed his siblings disgusts me. I'm a pacifist so ANY killing disgusts me in general, but I'm an oldest sister by quite a bit (I'm 10 years older than my twin siblings and nearly 13 years older than my baby sibling) and I honestly would kill FOR them, my pacifism would go out the door, I love them so much. I have no children so my siblings are the ones I love most in this world. That kid just killing his baby siblings???? You can't have a human soul and do that, in my opinion.
The people defending theses murderers are disgusting 🤢
I used to be in Springville Utah all the rhe time. My ex used to lice there
In my opinion they don't deserve to live on taxpayer money _ these people get what they deserve _ never feel pain for somebody that takes another person's life unnecessarily
That's why some states have the death penalty. Unfortunately, lethal injection usually is painless which is why some people want to bring back death by electric chair, hanging, or firing squad. The loved ones of the victim should be allowed to be a part of that firing squad too.
@@YouOnlyIiveTwice lol the kid IS the victims loved one. The whole thing is the parents treat their kids so badly that their children now hate them. The better lesson is, if you treat your loved ones like garbage, dont be surprised if they murder you.
@@nullakjg767 And if you murder someone, don't be surprised when you get a life sentence. What goes around comes around
17:22 BS also facts are wrong.
The game was Halo 3 which came out in 2007
He didn't believe he was in the game or whatever, that was just another BS lie to use video games as a scapegoat like the media and others had been doing since like 2004 at that point to put blame on kids and teens actions rather than behavioral disorders from poor parenting, or likely new age bullying and things being put in foods, drinks, and the water, along with then behavioral meds that caused more harm than good.
He became depressed after his accident and video games helped him cope, like how some people turn to food he turned to video games.
He would play Halo at his friends house for up to 8 hours until he his friend had to go to bed. The claim was his dad "disapproved of video game violence" because of the Bible and during the case they tried making out and saying Halo was an extremely violent "M" rated game where you violently killed aliens who had human voices.
Halo 3 had just released and his dad would not let him buy it, id guess he didnt want him playing it 24/7. Daniel ended up buying it behind his fathers back, and when his dad found out he took it away from him placing it in the safe where the gun that was used was also in. Daniel finally found the safe key after about a week and did what he did.
It would not have matter what game it was he would had still done this, kids and teens have done the same thing over having their phones, computers, cars, even cloths and makeup being taking away, even because their parents would not buy them a phone, or the new cloths or makeup line all of their friends would have or the cool kids would have
As for the dad forgiving his son, well that's the whole something else has to be to blame for these horrific actions, my kid was a good kid it has to be these Satanic video games that alter his mind.
is the narrator of this video trying to channel vincent price?
Did u say...cricket wickets??...england is the silliest.
Because we’re not in Europe anymore it’s funny as fuck
Video games just do the opposite. They allow you to relax. All studies on whether games cause aggression show that this is nonsense. A mentally ill person should not play games that include violence. It is never the fault of video games.
you don't kill your parents in halo.
The only people I feel sorry for are the ones who killed their abuser because they felt they had no other alternative. They were being abused all their lives and they ended that abuse the only way they could. But the rest of them, let them rot.
lol thats probably all of them. Killers rarley come from stable homes.
in my opinion your not dropping your child when they do something wrong making them fce the consequences is not abandoning them I know I love my kids and would visit them in prison do the crime you better be prepared to do the time
do the crime face the time
I mean thats fine as long as you know its your fault for raising them like that and everything they do is your responsibility.
@@nullakjg767 I'm talking the adults the young ones obviously arent able to control themselves completely but yea if my kid tried to kill me id figure i had done something wrong even more of a reason to make them pay the consequences without losing a support system
Hate how my tax money keeps these things fed and housed while im struggling. Ppv executions should be a thing.
Is this for the undeniably guilty people of heinous crimes or just anyone in prison for a major crime?
lol you realize the people who vote for things like the death penalty are the same people who vote for keeping money out of the hands of the poor right? They use your short sighted need for violence to manipulate you into voting for people who directly make you poor. The last guy who was pro death penalty raised taxes for the poor in a way where it would increase signifcantly AFTER he was out of office. You are getting played so hard and its all your fault lol. Its actually hilarious that you are broke because of it.
@@kikibigbangfan3540undeniable is main event. Others are just the prelims.
Bruh you can hit the spacebar to play or just click anywhere in the video without having to put the cursor on the pause/play button to start the video.
Bruh it literally doesn't matter stop crying lmao
@@Mvrky0 neither do you
im with sierra on this one good riddance for his dad
Whoever’s been picking your videos the past couple weeks needs fired
Why ur 53 sec in you watched the whole thing already?
lit ep
In the United States Miranda Rights apply unless a suspect pleads the Fifth Amendment. This means that anything a suspect says at any point may be used against them unless they appeal the right to not self-incriminate at which point their words can’t be used in the case for better or worse.
Pleading the Fifth is only a thing when called as a witness in a case in which the witness may face jeopardy. Being given immunity would negate any Fifth Amendment right. If a subject of an investigation tells a detective “i plead the fifth” then confesses their confession can absolutely use that confession against the subject.
What do you guy's do for a living?
Tell the commentator of the video (not the reactors) to leave their opinions out! Don’t give a cr@p about who he thinks deserves to wear an “orange jumper”!!!
That first girl was nowhere near good looking enough to murder for. At best that girl was a 3, just dump her and go get another 3, they're everywhere.
Yo she's an unrepentable psycho, but she's cute tho
The narration and script where over the top and unnecessary
Nobody had football pitches or skate parks 200 years ago and yet I've never heard of any epidemics of kids killing their families or even getting into serious trouble to where prison was required.
200yrs ago the kids were probably working
@@DreadPages Valid point
There were also way less people 200 years ago, with limited technology. Not to mention a lot of people lived far away from each other and kids could have killed their whole family and no one would actually noticed.
Oh yea, they listen to your phone calls in jail here and record them, use them how they need
I don't care what anyone says, you know at a very young age killing someone is wrong. How i see it is if you kill someone besides if it is self defense, or defending others, or your property, you should be put to sleep too regardless.