When you enter the rabbit hole of the real voice behind “Norma Sheffield”… and it transpires it’s actually the Sheffield Born late 90’s britpop one hit wonder - Ann Lee (of 2 Times fame) masquerading under a pseudonym. She was also the voice behind Whigfield 🤷🏻♂️
@@jatkin22 Nope, that's wrong, Norma Sheffield isn't Annerley Gordon, Annerley Gordon was actually the voice behind some of Lolita's and Virginelle's early work
Oh, you bugger! I wasn't going to have a beer tonight, but you invoked 'He who must never be named, lest serious liver damage occurs.' Bottle opener, bottle opener... Now where did I put my 'church key'?
If they come in with the doors already open, everyone just has to jump at the right moment to board or exit... Train doesn't even need to stop that way.... Think of the benefits!
For those passengers waiting for the train on platform 4, it will depart as soon as we can get it _off_ platform 4 and back on the rails where it's supposed to be..!
Another case of accidental multi-track drifting is the Eschede disaster. What made it a disaster instead of an incident was the fact that the train was travelling in excess of 200 kmh, and that there was a bridge support between the two tracks. The third wagon hit the support for the 300 ton bridge and caused it to collapse on wagons 5 and 6, with wagons 7-12 smashing into the pile like an folding ruler.
Multi-track drifting is actually the correct answer to the trolley problem, assuming the tracks are far enough apart that this will cause a stop or derailment before the trolley runs anyone over
0:40 You can ABSOLUTELY take train racing further: The ending of _Shin Godzilla_ has E231 and E233 series trains, along with a couple N700 bullets trains, racing to hit Godzilla with explosives. How the protagonists managed to run the trains unmanned and without tripping any signals is beyond me, but when Godzilla is stomping Tokyo for the 90th time, anything is possible.
Car 7040 obviously suffered some damage in this incident so along with rest of its set it was taken to Alstom in Birmingham to be repaired. It re-entered service in 2001 and would serve the District Line till it was retired around 2015/2016. 7040 is still running to this day as part of a RAT Rail Adhesion Train.
Multi track drifting has happened a couple times at Wimbledon depot, some people forget to wait for the entire train to go past before throwing the points
@@simontay4851 I am quite aware thank you, i think you'll also find that saying a couple times is a common way of saying it too. I recommend that you go outside, find some grass and gently touch it. I think even AstroTurf will do actually.
this was the crossover that we never knew that we needed and it’s possible to drift if you have multiple tracks and switches and a fast enough speed but also bogeys/trucks on a central pivot allowing them to follow the two tracks without derailing…it’s something that photo proved could happen and likely would have continued on if it didn’t get stopped
I have some pictures of proper drifting in my pictures album at work, some advantages of working in the railway safety branch. The speed for this shouldn't be high but slow. Most switches allow the off going branch with only 40-80 kph, so when you do it a higher speeds a part of the train will derail as the switch can't handle higher speeds. Ideal, 1 bogey of a carriage go on line 1 while the other bogey stays on the original track so the carriage does "the swing" and not the couplers. And for the ride, there shouldn't be any signals, overhead catenary, platforms or cabinets in the way.
"likely would have continued on if it didn’t get stopped" I'd say that something that didn't get stopped would definitely continue, wouldn't you? It's sort of in the nature of continuing and stopping for them to be linked in that way.
"You either die driving a Churchill Class-2, or live long enough to pilot the next Francis Begbie, for I suppose one man's savage addiction can be another man's entertaining gauge-rail failure. At least physics, like anyone paid to sell military-grade hardware to 4-year-olds of all ages and budget restraints, has a great sense of humour when it comes time to push the envelope." "So you might want to sit down, sirrah, for I'm going to have my crisps and you'll put down the chib and cue. We'll then share a quiet afternoon, presuming we can stand to reason together."
"Damn he's fast! Jago Hazzard's 1995 Stock... Those IGBT-VVVF's aren't just for show!" "It's not even close! The D78 Stock's looks like it's stopped, even at top acceleration!"
The name "Railtrack" still makes me shudder, years after it disappeared. Not surprised to hear they contributed to ANOTHER crash (that I didn't even know about).
Something like this happened on the Washington, DC Metro on January 14th, 1982. I can date it precisely because it was also the day that Air Florida Flight 90 crashed into the 14th Street Bridges over the Potomac River. The same snowstorm that brought down the 737 also caused federal offices to close early. WMATA (the DC transit agency . . . they love their acronyms in Washington) was still running its mid-day service and wasn’t ready for the influx of commuters. Long story short, the switch (“points” to our friends across the Pond) between Federal Triangle and Smithsonian stations was set incorrectly and a train out of Federal Triangle ran onto the opposing track. Somehow, as they moved the train back to the station, the rear bogie (“truck” here in the USA) went the right way, but the front bogie stayed on the wrong track. The car hit a pillar in the tunnel, collapsing the side and crushing several people. And now, of course, the Blue and Orange lines, the main commuter routes to the Virginia suburbs, was completely blocked. Luckily, I was home that day. It was not a good day .
Something similar to this happened to a CrossCountry Voyager at Barton Hill depot in Bristol a number of years back when someone changed the points at the wrong moment.
A not so public incident happened when a Shunter changed the points as a nine car unit left Salisbury depot blocking the rest of the stock inside the yard. It got hushed up as a Suicide happened and that took the blame.
That reminds me of a short story from the Thomas the Tank Engine stories. The gist of it is that while shunting, James was crossing a set of points with the train he was shunting, when, confused by the whistle of another engine, and fog, the signalman changed the points when one of the trucks of his train was halfway through. The first of the bogies went the right way, the the other was accidentally sent towards the mainline. In other words, one of the trucks ended up travelling sideways between the two lines. It led to a collision between the sideways travelling truck, and a signal gantry, knocking the latter over
Crossed Lines from James & The Diesel Engines. "I suppose it must be difficult to know which way you're going with two cabs, but to go two ways at once with only one cab, that really is something!"
Privatization enhances accountability so we'll set up a system where the company responsible for a safety critical function has zero accountability by design. Peak magical thinking!
@@francisboyle1739 The question is "accountability to whom?". A private company in and of itself is accountable to its shareholders, not to anyone else. A legislative/regulatory framework is required to indicate and manage its accountability to other stakeholders - that is what was not done properly with Railtrack (and with the local water monopolies).
@@dlevi67 Exactly. That was the critical (and deadly) flaw in the argument. I'll leave it to you to decide if that was deliberate or a case of magical thinking.
I went to an American college in Richmond during the 1987/88 academic year. Not only did the King's Cross fire happen while I was studying there, but shortly after my arrival, a District Line train ran into the buffers at Richmond Station.
0:50: that train very conveniently has the pantographs directly above the bogies, allowing it to be drifted while collecting power from the overhead wire. It wouldn't be possible with a third- or fourth-rail train unless it had shoes which were attached directly to the bogies.
In terms of Railtrack this is only one of many incidents which they are to blame for. The worst ones being Hatfield, Ladbroke Grove and Potters Bar. If you ask me, this incident at Gunnersbury along with the serious derailment of a Freight train at Bexley, Kent in 1997 were a sign of bad things to come. I think we can all agree as rail enthusiasts and the like that Network Rail have definitely made our railways at least 80 to 90% safer than they were nearly 30 years ago.
this also happened on the manchester metrolink in february 2007 at queens road depot. t68 unit 1013 split a set of points which caused the tram to end up diagonally, but none of the bogies ended up being derailed. this is mentioned in the t68 book superb.
Ah, Gunnersbury. I once attended a meeting in the high rise building close by. The Brits gather on the platform heading for a restaurant in Hammersmith. The French delegation also gathered on the platform but they got on the wrong train and headed north. Yes, they were late for dinner (!).
@@coastaku1954 Honestly, yeah, Eurobeat slaps, it's well worth listening to the entire discography, a lot of great stuff in there. I actually slot car race with Eurobeat playing on my headphones to help drown out distracting noise.
@@hedgehog3180 No, further into Eurobeat, break away from the memes. Look up artists like The Spiders From Mars, Virginelle, Lolita, Norma Sheffield and Domino
I remember this quite well. I was walking from Kew to Chiswick and saw a commotion where the High Road crosses the railway. Peering over I could see the train still stranded on the end of the Gunnersbury Triangle nature reserve. Chatted to a man who had been there a while and had witnessed the fire service having to help passengers up the steep embankment, quite funny he said. For years I had presupposed that the signallers had somehow changed the points before the train had cleared it and I'm somehow a bit disappointed at the real less comical explanation.
I'm not sure if I i would call a signalling error as 'comical', being a signaller myself. Regardless of your intended meaning, i think i can reassure you that, while not entirely impossible, every system has ways ro overrule safety measures in case of failures, it would be very hard to do. My signal box is entirely computerised, and just the number of security questions the system will ask would make it very hard to move the points with a train at full speed going over it. I'd have to lie several times to remove the interlocking and then to move the points while there's still an occupation. Yes, that would have me end up in prison, so I'm not too keen to try it out. This is one of the rare cases where it would be up to the defence to prove incompetence and negligence, rather than malice.
It happened in Sydney once, on the flyovers west of Central. Fortunately the train stopped before it fell down the 7-metre drop between the two diverging tracks.
I can remember seeing the news reports of that on one of my idle TH-cam scrolls. That must have been terrifying for everyone on board, not least the driver. Incidentally, one of the reporters covering the story was named Harry Potter and a lot of comments took humour from that.
@@RichardFelstead1949 I had to look it up. I didn't think it was that long ago I'd heard him sign off from a story.... But apparently it was. He died from cancer in 2014! 😮
1999 was around peak railtrack crapness. One of the bonuses of rail privatization was that the track company could net huge profits by not bothering to do any track maintenance. Around that time I was commuting from Southampton to Portsmouth by train and they managed to make the trains almost a whole hour late. I'd turn up 5 minutes early for my train just to see it pulling out of the station, or rather the previous one was 55 minutes late and the next one would of course be more or less a full hour's wait. Of course I was one of the lucky ones who didn't end up in a crash.
Jago,there were several instances of split switches in the US,and Canada! Mostly with streetcars,and Interurbans,but some railroads! The bulk were slow speed,and just embarrassing,and when you add the engines in turntable pits,things get interesting! Thank you for the Cliff notes of London Underground antics! Never a dull moment!!! 😊! Thank you 😇 😊!
Sadly “Multi Tracking” was what happened in the Potters Bar accident. Faulty Bolts in a set of points caused them to move and route a coach to the next track and onto the platform
I watched a video, where in a loop a trolleybus did multi-track drifting. The switch failed, so one of the poles was on the other lane, where busses can pass others and it was amazing to see, how the trolley can handle this without any derailing.
Surely everyone who as a child had a model railway with two nested ovals, as is common, has set this up, even if just pushing one carriage round by hand. The literal definition of trying it at home.
We had a case of multi track drifting 9 years ago in the Netherlands. A faulty switch and lack of maintenance caused over half a train to be redirected to the other side of the tracks. It could've been a much more nasty incident if the train going the other way hadn't stopped in time.
something similar happened on the Tyne and Wear Metro in 2017, when a train was leaving the depot, it overrun some points, the driver reversed and the train multi track drifted, causing unit 4022 to snap in half, the damage was apparently too costly to repair so they decided to scrap the unit in around 2020
I also used to do it with my Lego trains. Parallel track. Remotely operated points. And see how fast you could have the train going without derailing due to mistiming it. 🤣
I had an idea for an application: a railcar arrives into a terminus where the track splits in two. The front bogie heads onto one track, then the points change & the rear bogie heads onto the other so that the railcar pulls into the platform, which is end-on to the tracks, sideways. To depart, the wheels are powered in the opposite direction, but only the front bogie is powered so that it goes ahead. After the tracks remerge, the railcar (which only has 1 drivers cab) has rotated 180° to face the other way, while the bogies are still in the same orientation, albeit with the wheels turning in the opposite direction. This would obviously require a train with bogies capable of superrotating at least 180° (the other terminus would be the same design, but mirrored, to return the bogies to their original position relative to the railcar).
電車でD is one of my favorite meme and somehow 電車でD is officially confirmed by Hankyu Railway(the train main caracter uses is sereis 2300 from Hankyu Railway) the pronounciation of 電車でD is like "dehn-sha deh D" I think you did it pretty well
Drifting can also occur with point shifting, due to excessive wear on the actuator rods, or damaged point blades, which allows the points to shift just enough to create a large enough gap after a bogie passes over them. [ex-signalman in Australia]
my understanding is, this is also a very common way of derailment all through the history of long trains... getting less common with walkthrough train designs as they act more like a whole, but this was a problem in older trains... both the Eschedule ICE Derailment and the Great Heck Rail Disaster were made much more deadly if not outright caused by such partial derailments followed by the train hitting a bridge support... same for three of the five deadliest train wrecks in the USSR *(the remaining two being caused by faulty communication in one case and a gas pipe leak in the other)
There was a happy ending here. In eschede in 1998, the same thing happened to a German high-speed train, which collided with a bridge pillar and was buried under the bridge.
On the Bakerloo line at Queen's Park, the track can spur off toward London Overground. The track was electrified a short distance allowing Bakerloo trains to turn but on one occasion, many years ago, a Bakerloo driver in an empty train, slightly overshot, which cancelled the charge and brought the train to a halt and it had to be towed.
OK I FULFILLED MY DREAMS NOW I CAN UNALIVE HAPPILY BECAUSE JAGO TALKED ABOUT MY TWO PASSIONS IN ONE VIDEO: CARS AND TRAINS OMG I LOVE THIS VIDEO EVERYBODY DEJA VU
The more common way to do this is by "throwing the switch under the train." That's easy to do on a model railroad. and possible on full-size railroads if the switchman or brakeman pulls the switchstand lever at the wrong time. "Splitting a switch" on streetcars (trams) was remarkably frequent because the old streetcar lines often used single point switches, and it was easy for junk to get in the way of those switch points. Old streetcars often used a switch actuation system that involved either shutting off or turning on the power at the right moment, a system inherently less reliable than someone pulling a lever in an interlocking tower or throwing a switch stand. (Pardon me for using North American railway terms, and not words and phrases like "points" or "switch on power"). On the full-size railroads, train crews double-check that they have thrown the switch fully and there isn't a rock or some other debris keeping a point from contacting a stock rail. Because multi-track drifting is embarrassing, even when the car doesn't derail and/or topple over.
I've seen video of an oversize transport of a very long and heavy destillation tower across a particular bridge which had two separate bridge spans, one for each travel direction, and for weight limit reasons, the transport went across the bridge with the front carriage on one span and the rear one on the other span. It looked quite the same as multi-track drifting, though nowhere near as fast.
Tokyo drift - train edition! Seems like we have a movie idea with Vin Diesel and Denzel Washington, here! (Yup, I was really disappointed with Vin Diesel not appearing in "The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift")
"Don't try this at home, kids!" I'm sure someone could contrive to replicate the outcome on their model set. Come to think of it, someone probably either already has, or now will!
As my school's resident railfan, "multi-track drifting" was brought up to me more times than I can be bothered to count. So in my case, about 7... I'm always reminded of "Crossed Lines", one of Christopher Awdry's Railway Series stories that never made it to the TV, when I hear about it. James is shunting a well wagon and the points change as he's halfway over thanks to a communication screw-up. Issue is, there was a signal between the two tracks, a fact soon changed by this multi-track drifting example. If you do want to ignore Jago's advice to "Not try this at home", please do it with a LEGO train...
Here in the Netherlands, we did it as recently as 2014, on a main line. Hilversum, 15 January 2014, if you're curious. The cause was similar to the Grayrigg derailment of 2007.
It happened on the valleys lines at Abercynon station in the 90s when a point failed and part of the train went into the sndn trap at the bottom of the incline
Just think Hatfield points failure. Back in the day when I was working on the railways there was an old joke relating to this incident. "The train approaching platforms 6, 7 and 8 .........
Not Hatfield, Potters Bar. Hatfield came completely off the track on a bend. "Gauge corner cracking" was the technical term for the fault in question. Speed limit on the whole rail network for weeks until all high speed lines were inspected
I saw the rear coach of a three-car DMU doing that at Exeter St Davids a very long time ago - 1970 I think. I've also seen it at two narrow gauge railways but I'll not mention where...
"Don't try this at home, kids." I can't have been the only one to try this on the concentric turns of my Hornby trackmat when running trains in the 90s?
Railtrack was a property developer with a side hustle in operating railways. The biggest issue with Railtrack was that it had no idea what assets its contractors were maintaining and replacing. It also had no real audit process to check on its contractors and relied heavily on random spot checks carried out by HMRI (which I have had the joy of hosting at least once). The contractors were just given a poorly defined geographical area and a broad number of assets within it and told to get on with it, to a budget. It was however, in the contractors best interests to allow assets to deteriorate, because then they could claim extra money for renewals, as the renewals teams were often employed by the same contractor. Railtrack was a shambles and is guilty of not much more than ignorance, but the real villains were the maintenance and renewals contractors, some of whom still exist and some of whom have rightly bitten the dust.
Hearing Jago talk about pokemans and cowboy beatbops and the mangas and the initalld Ds is not something I thought I'd ever get to witness. But here we are. So now I want to know if there are drift events for trains now. We have D1GP, so how long until someone works out how to do a scoring system and starts up a similar series for train drifts?
Something vaguely similar happened at the Illinois Railway Museum, but this involved a spring switch. Basically, instead of a rigid bar, the points are connected to the throw lever with a hydraulic cylinder that acts as a spring, allowing a train to pass through the trailing points from the 'wrong' side, which then return to their previous position. We mainly use them for passing sidings. Unfortunately, the crew handling our stainless-steel articulated streamliner, the _Nebraska Zephyr_ stopped over a spring switch, then reversed, causing part of the train to go the wrong way. No derailment, but the corners of two cars were crunched together. Now, this doesn't give the full experience of how I was told about it. I and several other members of the Steam Department were having dinner after a day in the shop, and the Road Foreman of Engines was relating the story, and getting to the part where he called the Superintendent, who also serves as Chief Dispatcher and primary author of the rulebook. They're both the sort of man who can spin a yarn, and at that point in the story, the Foreman mimed calling on the phone, then holding it away from his ear in response to the torrent of shouting and profanity from the Superintendent. Thankfully nobody was hurt, though I'm sure the crew was suspended (don't know who it was, and I know better than to ask). The _Zephyr_ was fully repaired and remains in service.
Or in the apocryphal railway station announcement. "The train now standing at Platform 1 is for Bath Spa and Bristol Temple Meads. The train standing at platforms 3, 4 and 5 has come in sideways."
We were this close to Jago talking about Eurobeat and how it has origins in both the UK and Italy
or how he was a regular at Eurobeat 2000 in the mid 90s. "You are the Eurobeat to my 2000"
@@sh4dowchas3r He was doing Para Para in Japan back in '97
😂
When you enter the rabbit hole of the real voice behind “Norma Sheffield”… and it transpires it’s actually the Sheffield Born late 90’s britpop one hit wonder - Ann Lee (of 2 Times fame) masquerading under a pseudonym.
She was also the voice behind Whigfield 🤷🏻♂️
@@jatkin22 Nope, that's wrong, Norma Sheffield isn't Annerley Gordon, Annerley Gordon was actually the voice behind some of Lolita's and Virginelle's early work
Manga AND London underground from Jago. There's a combo I never imagined in my wildest imagination/dreams.
Railtrack to 90s rail accidents is Charles Yerkes to the london underdound. You're just waiting for a mention
Oh, you bugger! I wasn't going to have a beer tonight, but you invoked 'He who must never be named, lest serious liver damage occurs.'
Bottle opener, bottle opener... Now where did I put my 'church key'?
it really is
Cheers! . . . (Or, how Yerkes made me an alcofrolic, by Baron von Blitztoften : )
"The next train to arrive on platform 1,2,3 & 4 has come in sideways"
Meaning either it won't actually arive at the platforms, or if it does there won't be much in the way of passengers.
@@laurencefraser Well, they did say "arrive _on_ platform"...
If they come in with the doors already open, everyone just has to jump at the right moment to board or exit... Train doesn't even need to stop that way.... Think of the benefits!
For those passengers waiting for the train on platform 4, it will depart as soon as we can get it _off_ platform 4 and back on the rails where it's supposed to be..!
@@tin2001 It's an extreme case of Roll On/Roll Off when you're a wheelchair user.
I went back to watch 'most of the train headed to Turnham Green' about five times because that was just perfection in both writing and delivery!
"Railtrack were responsible" is something that was said a lot back then, to be fair
"Don't try this at home, kids." Cue model rail enthusiasts of all ages to modify their layouts.
So the driver came across a real life trolley bus problem; and said 'Not on my watch! Everyone gets hit'.
Yes I have seen that as an answer before. The added friction would probably save everyone as it happens
That’s not what happened?
It totally was..
Another case of accidental multi-track drifting is the Eschede disaster.
What made it a disaster instead of an incident was the fact that the train was travelling in excess of 200 kmh, and that there was a bridge support between the two tracks.
The third wagon hit the support for the 300 ton bridge and caused it to collapse on wagons 5 and 6, with wagons 7-12 smashing into the pile like an folding ruler.
IIRC that was covered by John at Plainly Difficult a couple of years ago.
@@chrislaing7153 correct
Passenger carriages, not wagons...
That one also had a pair of particularly unlucky worker's standing in front of the bridge.
@@andrewhotston983 in many languages we use the word wagon to refer to passenger carriages, maybe they're not used to how english works
Multi-track drifting is actually the correct answer to the trolley problem, assuming the tracks are far enough apart that this will cause a stop or derailment before the trolley runs anyone over
I don't know which is more amazing, that multi track drifting can happen or that there's a District Line staff magazine.
There’s also a mag for the Waterloo & City line but it’s only a one sheet of folded piece of A5 paper.
Multi-track drifting has resulted in derailments and mass casualties in the past too, mostly due to poor maintenance
I would have expected one staff magazine for all Tube personnel.
@@WyvernYTi would have expected maybe three per line one for the executive staff , one for administion and one for the people who do the work .
@@francesconicoletti2547 But wouldn't the articles in one be of interest to people doing similar work on other lines?
Railtrack and derailing incidents, name a more iconic duo.
American freight railroads and derailment incidents.
0:40 You can ABSOLUTELY take train racing further:
The ending of _Shin Godzilla_ has E231 and E233 series trains, along with a couple N700 bullets trains, racing to hit Godzilla with explosives.
How the protagonists managed to run the trains unmanned and without tripping any signals is beyond me, but when Godzilla is stomping Tokyo for the 90th time, anything is possible.
Clearly they have extensive protocols for such things!
just turned the ats-p off ato on 😂 something in that direction?
TPWS (equivalent) Isolation, probably.
🤨 - anything is possible in a cinematic parallel universe
@@andrewgwilliam4831 I think Godzilla Emergency Measures are actually required by law in Japan.
"Most of the train turned to Turnham Green" is such an iconic line
Car 7040 obviously suffered some damage in this incident so along with rest of its set it was taken to Alstom in Birmingham to be repaired. It re-entered service in 2001 and would serve the District Line till it was retired around 2015/2016. 7040 is still running to this day as part of a RAT Rail Adhesion Train.
@@VictoriaElizabethUK Hopefully not, I think that would be a really bad day for TFL
I never thought I would see that day that Jago Hazzard makes a Cowboy Bebop reference!
Multi track drifting has happened a couple times at Wimbledon depot, some people forget to wait for the entire train to go past before throwing the points
A couple OF times.
@@simontay4851 I am quite aware thank you, i think you'll also find that saying a couple times is a common way of saying it too.
I recommend that you go outside, find some grass and gently touch it. I think even AstroTurf will do actually.
this was the crossover that we never knew that we needed
and it’s possible to drift if you have multiple tracks and switches and a fast enough speed but also bogeys/trucks on a central pivot allowing them to follow the two tracks without derailing…it’s something that photo proved could happen and likely would have continued on if it didn’t get stopped
I have some pictures of proper drifting in my pictures album at work, some advantages of working in the railway safety branch.
The speed for this shouldn't be high but slow. Most switches allow the off going branch with only 40-80 kph, so when you do it a higher speeds a part of the train will derail as the switch can't handle higher speeds. Ideal, 1 bogey of a carriage go on line 1 while the other bogey stays on the original track so the carriage does "the swing" and not the couplers. And for the ride, there shouldn't be any signals, overhead catenary, platforms or cabinets in the way.
"likely would have continued on if it didn’t get stopped"
I'd say that something that didn't get stopped would definitely continue, wouldn't you? It's sort of in the nature of continuing and stopping for them to be linked in that way.
@@beeble2003 no need to be a jerk
"You either die driving a Churchill Class-2, or live long enough to pilot the next Francis Begbie,
for I suppose one man's savage addiction can be another man's entertaining gauge-rail failure.
At least physics, like anyone paid to sell military-grade hardware to 4-year-olds of all ages and
budget restraints, has a great sense of humour when it comes time to push the envelope."
"So you might want to sit down, sirrah, for I'm going to have my crisps and you'll put down the
chib and cue. We'll then share a quiet afternoon, presuming we can stand to reason together."
Hazzard on the line
Jago knows how to spin a good line. 😅
"Due to an unexpected technical issue the next train will be arriving at platforms 1 and 2."
In Japanese the original meme was actually "double-track" drifting, so as most pics......but this one is truly multi track 😳
"Damn he's fast! Jago Hazzard's 1995 Stock... Those IGBT-VVVF's aren't just for show!"
"It's not even close! The D78 Stock's looks like it's stopped, even at top acceleration!"
To be fair, Charles Tyson Yerkes would make an excellent manga villain.
add in George Hudson and Sir Edward Watkin on the sidelines and you have some decent worldbuilding for doing very little work at all
If every Underground Line has its own workers magazine the magazine for the Waterloo and City line workers must be just one page
Fast and furious: Gunnersbury drift. 😂
Initial D Stock
Lead character Vin Traction-Motor
The name "Railtrack" still makes me shudder, years after it disappeared. Not surprised to hear they contributed to ANOTHER crash (that I didn't even know about).
Failtrack...
@@Beatlefan67 Now replaced by Network Fail.
Something like this happened on the Washington, DC Metro on January 14th, 1982. I can date it precisely because it was also the day that Air Florida Flight 90 crashed into the 14th Street Bridges over the Potomac River. The same snowstorm that brought down the 737 also caused federal offices to close early. WMATA (the DC transit agency . . . they love their acronyms in Washington) was still running its mid-day service and wasn’t ready for the influx of commuters. Long story short, the switch (“points” to our friends across the Pond) between Federal Triangle and Smithsonian stations was set incorrectly and a train out of Federal Triangle ran onto the opposing track. Somehow, as they moved the train back to the station, the rear bogie (“truck” here in the USA) went the right way, but the front bogie stayed on the wrong track. The car hit a pillar in the tunnel, collapsing the side and crushing several people. And now, of course, the Blue and Orange lines, the main commuter routes to the Virginia suburbs, was completely blocked. Luckily, I was home that day. It was not a good day .
Describing railtrak as an organisation is generous :D
More a disorganisation.....
Something similar to this happened to a CrossCountry Voyager at Barton Hill depot in Bristol a number of years back when someone changed the points at the wrong moment.
A not so public incident happened when a Shunter changed the points as a nine car unit left Salisbury depot blocking the rest of the stock inside the yard. It got hushed up as a Suicide happened and that took the blame.
That reminds me of a short story from the Thomas the Tank Engine stories. The gist of it is that while shunting, James was crossing a set of points with the train he was shunting, when, confused by the whistle of another engine, and fog, the signalman changed the points when one of the trucks of his train was halfway through. The first of the bogies went the right way, the the other was accidentally sent towards the mainline. In other words, one of the trucks ended up travelling sideways between the two lines. It led to a collision between the sideways travelling truck, and a signal gantry, knocking the latter over
Crossed Lines from James & The Diesel Engines.
"I suppose it must be difficult to know which way you're going with two cabs, but to go two ways at once with only one cab, that really is something!"
Railtrack. Truly the finest in privatization excellence. As long as you didn't care about maintenance or infrastructure, just shareholder profits.
Thames Water: “hold my beer”
@@nastropc It may have the same colour as beer, but it's probably something else
Privatization enhances accountability so we'll set up a system where the company responsible for a safety critical function has zero accountability by design. Peak magical thinking!
@@francisboyle1739 The question is "accountability to whom?".
A private company in and of itself is accountable to its shareholders, not to anyone else. A legislative/regulatory framework is required to indicate and manage its accountability to other stakeholders - that is what was not done properly with Railtrack (and with the local water monopolies).
@@dlevi67 Exactly. That was the critical (and deadly) flaw in the argument. I'll leave it to you to decide if that was deliberate or a case of magical thinking.
I went to an American college in Richmond during the 1987/88 academic year. Not only did the King's Cross fire happen while I was studying there, but shortly after my arrival, a District Line train ran into the buffers at Richmond Station.
A single set of buffers or multi-track buffers...?!? 🤔
@@_Ben4810 Single set. Simply didn’t stop in time. Thankfully noone got hurt.
I did the electrical testing at that college a few months back, fortunately the only disaster that day was spilling half my tea down my jumper....
@@karenvaughan2066 Did you PAT your jumper dry?
"Don't try this at home kids"... Unless it's in 00 gauge! 😂😂
I’ve had this happen operating OO gauged wheels on HO code 83 switches. Good thing it was an empty stock move.
@@Play_fare yeah, don't want any KSIs among the 15/16" plastic people!
Seeing those photos gave me a great sense of déjà vu
I have tried it at home. On my Hornby set up. Very safe, works well.😅
Care to do a video of it and put it on your channel?
Looking forward to a Hornby/Manga crossover set
@@mikeburke7028 After their absolutely superb foray into Steampunk . . . ?
0:50: that train very conveniently has the pantographs directly above the bogies, allowing it to be drifted while collecting power from the overhead wire.
It wouldn't be possible with a third- or fourth-rail train unless it had shoes which were attached directly to the bogies.
They are, aren't they? Main problem in practice would probably be insufficient bogie articulation.
@@NiallWardrop : You'd need to design a bogie which uses a commutator rather than wires for the power connection.
It's rather amusing that you posted this today, as the Richmond branch has been down most of the day due to a 'track fault'
3:05 Another fine cock-up from Railtrack.
Look at the bright side, the train didn't explode or anything
In terms of Railtrack this is only one of many incidents which they are to blame for. The worst ones being Hatfield, Ladbroke Grove and Potters Bar. If you ask me, this incident at Gunnersbury along with the serious derailment of a Freight train at Bexley, Kent in 1997 were a sign of bad things to come. I think we can all agree as rail enthusiasts and the like that Network Rail have definitely made our railways at least 80 to 90% safer than they were nearly 30 years ago.
this also happened on the manchester metrolink in february 2007 at queens road depot. t68 unit 1013 split a set of points which caused the tram to end up diagonally, but none of the bogies ended up being derailed. this is mentioned in the t68 book superb.
I'm sure it has happened multiple times at every depot in the world.
Ah, Gunnersbury. I once attended a meeting in the high rise building close by. The Brits gather on the platform heading for a restaurant in Hammersmith. The French delegation also gathered on the platform but they got on the wrong train and headed north. Yes, they were late for dinner (!).
I hope the "last one in pays the bill" rule was deployed ;-)
Nothing makes me smile more than watching a new Jago video :)
GAS GAS GAS
No, listen to more Eurobeat than just the meme ones
@@coastaku1954 Honestly, yeah, Eurobeat slaps, it's well worth listening to the entire discography, a lot of great stuff in there. I actually slot car race with Eurobeat playing on my headphones to help drown out distracting noise.
Current, Current, Current!
@@KidarWolf I really like Spitfire.
@@hedgehog3180 No, further into Eurobeat, break away from the memes. Look up artists like The Spiders From Mars, Virginelle, Lolita, Norma Sheffield and Domino
Omg the way Jago says "Pokey-mans" and "Cowboy beep-bop" sounds so much like a confused uncle trying to understand what his nephew wants for Christmas
I remember this quite well. I was walking from Kew to Chiswick and saw a commotion where the High Road crosses the railway. Peering over I could see the train still stranded on the end of the Gunnersbury Triangle nature reserve. Chatted to a man who had been there a while and had witnessed the fire service having to help passengers up the steep embankment, quite funny he said. For years I had presupposed that the signallers had somehow changed the points before the train had cleared it and I'm somehow a bit disappointed at the real less comical explanation.
I'm not sure if I i would call a signalling error as 'comical', being a signaller myself. Regardless of your intended meaning, i think i can reassure you that, while not entirely impossible, every system has ways ro overrule safety measures in case of failures, it would be very hard to do.
My signal box is entirely computerised, and just the number of security questions the system will ask would make it very hard to move the points with a train at full speed going over it. I'd have to lie several times to remove the interlocking and then to move the points while there's still an occupation. Yes, that would have me end up in prison, so I'm not too keen to try it out. This is one of the rare cases where it would be up to the defence to prove incompetence and negligence, rather than malice.
Jago talking about Initial D has delivered me 100 points of psychic damage and and an amazing amount of joy
I already got some history of paleontology on Jago's channel, now I get my DEJA VU memes? What a time to be alive.
It happened in Sydney once, on the flyovers west of Central. Fortunately the train stopped before it fell down the 7-metre drop between the two diverging tracks.
I can remember seeing the news reports of that on one of my idle TH-cam scrolls. That must have been terrifying for everyone on board, not least the driver.
Incidentally, one of the reporters covering the story was named Harry Potter and a lot of comments took humour from that.
@@TheBritFromOz008 That was his real name; I think he passed a few years ago but I stand corrected.
@@RichardFelstead1949
I had to look it up. I didn't think it was that long ago I'd heard him sign off from a story.... But apparently it was. He died from cancer in 2014! 😮
1999 was around peak railtrack crapness. One of the bonuses of rail privatization was that the track company could net huge profits by not bothering to do any track maintenance. Around that time I was commuting from Southampton to Portsmouth by train and they managed to make the trains almost a whole hour late. I'd turn up 5 minutes early for my train just to see it pulling out of the station, or rather the previous one was 55 minutes late and the next one would of course be more or less a full hour's wait. Of course I was one of the lucky ones who didn't end up in a crash.
Jago,there were several instances of split switches in the US,and Canada! Mostly with streetcars,and Interurbans,but some railroads! The bulk were slow speed,and just embarrassing,and when you add the engines in turntable pits,things get interesting! Thank you for the Cliff notes of London Underground antics! Never a dull moment!!! 😊! Thank you 😇 😊!
I've done this with my LEGO trains a number of times. Even ran 4 parallel tracks with multiple cars going across all of them once!
Sadly “Multi Tracking” was what happened in the Potters Bar accident. Faulty Bolts in a set of points caused them to move and route a coach to the next track and onto the platform
I watched a video, where in a loop a trolleybus did multi-track drifting. The switch failed, so one of the poles was on the other lane, where busses can pass others and it was amazing to see, how the trolley can handle this without any derailing.
Surely everyone who as a child had a model railway with two nested ovals, as is common, has set this up, even if just pushing one carriage round by hand. The literal definition of trying it at home.
We had a case of multi track drifting 9 years ago in the Netherlands. A faulty switch and lack of maintenance caused over half a train to be redirected to the other side of the tracks. It could've been a much more nasty incident if the train going the other way hadn't stopped in time.
For some reason, this video's giving me a sense of Deja Vu...
Deja vu all over again...
something similar happened on the Tyne and Wear Metro in 2017, when a train was leaving the depot, it overrun some points, the driver reversed and the train multi track drifted, causing unit 4022 to snap in half, the damage was apparently too costly to repair so they decided to scrap the unit in around 2020
Happened on my 1950's train set as well!
I also used to do it with my Lego trains. Parallel track. Remotely operated points. And see how fast you could have the train going without derailing due to mistiming it. 🤣
I had an idea for an application: a railcar arrives into a terminus where the track splits in two. The front bogie heads onto one track, then the points change & the rear bogie heads onto the other so that the railcar pulls into the platform, which is end-on to the tracks, sideways. To depart, the wheels are powered in the opposite direction, but only the front bogie is powered so that it goes ahead. After the tracks remerge, the railcar (which only has 1 drivers cab) has rotated 180° to face the other way, while the bogies are still in the same orientation, albeit with the wheels turning in the opposite direction. This would obviously require a train with bogies capable of superrotating at least 180° (the other terminus would be the same design, but mirrored, to return the bogies to their original position relative to the railcar).
I'm a simple man, I see multi-track drifting... I click like and watch.
A bit of my enjoyment of this video comes from that I spent Sunday with my girlfriend in Richmond, Virginia, geeking out about trains.
Thanks Jago. 'Most of the train headed towards Turnham Green' .😂
I just learned something new i never knew there was a manga that was made for train racing at all until now thanks to this video
電車でD is one of my favorite meme
and somehow 電車でD is officially confirmed by Hankyu Railway(the train main caracter uses is sereis 2300 from Hankyu Railway)
the pronounciation of 電車でD is like "dehn-sha deh D" I think you did it pretty well
I'm sure there is many a model railway enthusiast who have experienced multi-track drifting at some point [get it?] in their life.
That meme will NEVER go out of style. Furthermore, I like trains.
Drifting can also occur with point shifting, due to excessive wear on the actuator rods, or damaged point blades, which allows the points to shift just enough to create a large enough gap after a bogie passes over them. [ex-signalman in Australia]
Full marks to the District Line. I have seen this done on our model railway layout, somebody threw a point/switch under a large wagon.
Didn't we all try this with out Hornby sets?
As a child I did try this at home (with a H0 train set) and it was great fun 😁❗
Also called "splitting a switch"! 😄 Very common model railroad occurence. 😉
my understanding is, this is also a very common way of derailment all through the history of long trains... getting less common with walkthrough train designs as they act more like a whole, but this was a problem in older trains... both the Eschedule ICE Derailment and the Great Heck Rail Disaster were made much more deadly if not outright caused by such partial derailments followed by the train hitting a bridge support... same for three of the five deadliest train wrecks in the USSR *(the remaining two being caused by faulty communication in one case and a gas pipe leak in the other)
Was not expecting a manga meme from this channel but I like it lol
There was a happy ending here. In eschede in 1998, the same thing happened to a German high-speed train, which collided with a bridge pillar and was buried under the bridge.
Jago's pronounciation of Manga takes me back to the 90s.
..but that's how it's pronounced...
What? La Manga?
On the Bakerloo line at Queen's Park, the track can spur off toward London Overground. The track was electrified a short distance allowing Bakerloo trains to turn but on one occasion, many years ago, a Bakerloo driver in an empty train, slightly overshot, which cancelled the charge and brought the train to a halt and it had to be towed.
OK I FULFILLED MY DREAMS NOW I CAN UNALIVE HAPPILY BECAUSE JAGO TALKED ABOUT MY TWO PASSIONS IN ONE VIDEO: CARS AND TRAINS OMG I LOVE THIS VIDEO EVERYBODY DEJA VU
Classic Railtrack! ™
The more common way to do this is by "throwing the switch under the train." That's easy to do on a model railroad. and possible on full-size railroads if the switchman or brakeman pulls the switchstand lever at the wrong time. "Splitting a switch" on streetcars (trams) was remarkably frequent because the old streetcar lines often used single point switches, and it was easy for junk to get in the way of those switch points. Old streetcars often used a switch actuation system that involved either shutting off or turning on the power at the right moment, a system inherently less reliable than someone pulling a lever in an interlocking tower or throwing a switch stand.
(Pardon me for using North American railway terms, and not words and phrases like "points" or "switch on power"). On the full-size railroads, train crews double-check that they have thrown the switch fully and there isn't a rock or some other debris keeping a point from contacting a stock rail. Because multi-track drifting is embarrassing, even when the car doesn't derail and/or topple over.
Wow. I just checked and Jago posted a video 11 seconds ago. I never thought I’d see a video so soon after it was posted.
37 seconds for me, which is pretty impressive!!
I am flabbergasted, not.
I've seen video of an oversize transport of a very long and heavy destillation tower across a particular bridge which had two separate bridge spans, one for each travel direction, and for weight limit reasons, the transport went across the bridge with the front carriage on one span and the rear one on the other span. It looked quite the same as multi-track drifting, though nowhere near as fast.
Tokyo drift - train edition!
Seems like we have a movie idea with Vin Diesel and Denzel Washington, here!
(Yup, I was really disappointed with Vin Diesel not appearing in "The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift")
Jago talking about Manga - something I never thought would happen!
"Don't try this at home, kids!"
I'm sure someone could contrive to replicate the outcome on their model set.
Come to think of it, someone probably either already has, or now will!
Jago is an important part of my day. I make a second cup of tea and set down opposite my I-pad and enjoy the festivity’s.
Cheers From California 😎
Thanks Jago, a very interesting video, never knew this could really happen but will take your good and valued advice and not try it at home.
Drifted into that story so smoothly and ended with good advice: I won't be trying that at home. Thanks Jago ;-)
As my school's resident railfan, "multi-track drifting" was brought up to me more times than I can be bothered to count. So in my case, about 7...
I'm always reminded of "Crossed Lines", one of Christopher Awdry's Railway Series stories that never made it to the TV, when I hear about it. James is shunting a well wagon and the points change as he's halfway over thanks to a communication screw-up. Issue is, there was a signal between the two tracks, a fact soon changed by this multi-track drifting example.
If you do want to ignore Jago's advice to "Not try this at home", please do it with a LEGO train...
Here in the Netherlands, we did it as recently as 2014, on a main line.
Hilversum, 15 January 2014, if you're curious. The cause was similar to the Grayrigg derailment of 2007.
It happened on the valleys lines at Abercynon station in the 90s when a point failed and part of the train went into the sndn trap at the bottom of the incline
Just think Hatfield points failure. Back in the day when I was working on the railways there was an old joke relating to this incident.
"The train approaching platforms 6, 7 and 8 .........
Not Hatfield, Potters Bar. Hatfield came completely off the track on a bend. "Gauge corner cracking" was the technical term for the fault in question. Speed limit on the whole rail network for weeks until all high speed lines were inspected
I saw the rear coach of a three-car DMU doing that at Exeter St Davids a very long time ago - 1970 I think. I've also seen it at two narrow gauge railways but I'll not mention where...
"Don't try this at home, kids." I can't have been the only one to try this on the concentric turns of my Hornby trackmat when running trains in the 90s?
what a way to announce to the world you're an anime enthusiast
Railtrack was a property developer with a side hustle in operating railways.
The biggest issue with Railtrack was that it had no idea what assets its contractors were maintaining and replacing. It also had no real audit process to check on its contractors and relied heavily on random spot checks carried out by HMRI (which I have had the joy of hosting at least once).
The contractors were just given a poorly defined geographical area and a broad number of assets within it and told to get on with it, to a budget. It was however, in the contractors best interests to allow assets to deteriorate, because then they could claim extra money for renewals, as the renewals teams were often employed by the same contractor.
Railtrack was a shambles and is guilty of not much more than ignorance, but the real villains were the maintenance and renewals contractors, some of whom still exist and some of whom have rightly bitten the dust.
Hearing Jago talk about pokemans and cowboy beatbops and the mangas and the initalld Ds is not something I thought I'd ever get to witness. But here we are.
So now I want to know if there are drift events for trains now. We have D1GP, so how long until someone works out how to do a scoring system and starts up a similar series for train drifts?
The sky at the Underground looks lovely.
Something vaguely similar happened at the Illinois Railway Museum, but this involved a spring switch. Basically, instead of a rigid bar, the points are connected to the throw lever with a hydraulic cylinder that acts as a spring, allowing a train to pass through the trailing points from the 'wrong' side, which then return to their previous position. We mainly use them for passing sidings. Unfortunately, the crew handling our stainless-steel articulated streamliner, the _Nebraska Zephyr_ stopped over a spring switch, then reversed, causing part of the train to go the wrong way. No derailment, but the corners of two cars were crunched together.
Now, this doesn't give the full experience of how I was told about it. I and several other members of the Steam Department were having dinner after a day in the shop, and the Road Foreman of Engines was relating the story, and getting to the part where he called the Superintendent, who also serves as Chief Dispatcher and primary author of the rulebook. They're both the sort of man who can spin a yarn, and at that point in the story, the Foreman mimed calling on the phone, then holding it away from his ear in response to the torrent of shouting and profanity from the Superintendent.
Thankfully nobody was hurt, though I'm sure the crew was suspended (don't know who it was, and I know better than to ask). The _Zephyr_ was fully repaired and remains in service.
Of course it was Railtrack.
Or in the apocryphal railway station announcement. "The train now standing at Platform 1 is for Bath Spa and Bristol Temple Meads. The train standing at platforms 3, 4 and 5 has come in sideways."
Thought this was a Plainly Difficult disaster vid for a second 😂