The raptured are in heaven before the seals are opened. Zech 1:7-8 gives the day the Red horse rides. Haggai 2 mentions a certain day 3 times which is 60 days before the day in Zech 1:7-8. Proverbs 25:2 is the starting point for searching out the Scriptures.
There is no way there is a pretrib rapture. 2thes2, and honoring the dead in Christ by raising them BEFORE those still living are caught up, leaves no room for pretrib. Those who die in Christ during the tribulation MUST be raised first.
Tribulation believers are not “in Christ” as we are. The tribulation is the time of “Jacob’s trouble.” See this short: th-cam.com/users/shortswZCEDFa4aPc?si=8-C1HkVlpHiQ4jRt Then the fuller version: th-cam.com/video/8SPxhuaWx-k/w-d-xo.htmlsi=J0ipM6BudgnUzJiY
These dear people are bound by a stronghold. I believe they WANT to see God’s wrath poured out and be martyrs. The Holy Spirit is “the restrainer” holding the emergence of the Antichrist. He is in us. When He is removed, so are we.
@@TOTA_777 2thes2 says that by no means will that day come until the antichrist is revealed. Nowhere in the bible does it say anything about a pretrib rapture. Tribulation is promised to those who choose to follow Christ. Wrath comes at the end and it is complete end of this world as it is. That is what we'll be spared from. Why would Christ Jesus tell us what would happen to us if we wont be there for it? You will be faced with the mark choice. Be ready.
@@ellemarvin637 I am not going to quarrel with you. I would simply ask you to take a look at 2 Thessalonians 2:6-8 again after ask in the Holy Spirit to show you what He wants you to see. The “one holding him back” or “the restrainer” is the Holy Spirit. Can we at least agree on that? It further says the man of sin/perdition aka the Antichrist will be revealed AFTER the restrainer is removed. The Holy Spirit is now in US by whom we are sealed. How can the Holy Spirit be removed from the earth unless we are? That’s what I believe I was led to comment. Take this to the Father. The Lord and The Word are your corrector, not me. I won’t be responding further.
Jesus comes back twice because the church is just a parenthesis in time prophesied for the Jews. Jacob’s trouble is not ours. See: th-cam.com/video/8SPxhuaWx-k/w-d-xo.htmlsi=fIF3Cfw4wMPDXszG
Israelites. Find out who they are and you have found your answer. Exodus 19:6 KJV And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
Sure. We were graphed in. This church age now has “neither Jew nor Gentile.” See this material: th-cam.com/play/PLZ_xQpA2nSPmnCc_m2N1UgnnecahrdiCp.html&si=JJyTm1x7vTB51QPo
When he is saying jew and gentile. He is referring to the southern kingdom of Judah and the gentiles are the northern tribes of Israel. More often than not when the word gentile is used it is actually referring to the northern tribes. Things are now being revealed that have been hidden. Jesus told youhe came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
@@Briand-ei1gs gentiles can’t be Israelites. Neither can Israelites be gentiles. They are blood lines forbids it. You are either from Ham which is the Father to the dark races which we know to be Africans. Not the negros though. Gentiles , who are the sons and daughters of Japheth. The European, Asian, and Spanish peoples, Iranians Germans, Russians, basically white people are Gentiles. Then whatever is left are the Children of Shem. Totally different blood lines. There is no way that the northern Kingdom of Israel was gentiles. All of Israel is black people. Nothing else.
@michaelking1524 Yes God did divorce the house of Israel . Go's is holy and righteous and even follows and fulfills His own law. For the very reason of remarrying Israel God and came and died to fulfill law of a woman marrying. Have you no read about the prophet who God had marry a prostitute? You need to read that. As a matter if fact you need to read your whole Bible again with an attitude of humility that you might have been mistaught. Remember where God says " a people who are not my people"? Then He turns around and say" a people who are my people and will be called sons of Living God"?. Yeah those are the same people.
Wow! No understanding of the word of God. Yaw must be keeping Gods commands. Revelation 14:12 KJV Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Not sure where you’re head with this comment, but command keeping and faithfulness enhances (but not assures) our eternity. See this playlist: th-cam.com/play/PLZ_xQpA2nSPm0OA-Zz3B3Rk6Kc6-4ON3k.html&si=5HssoYHT2pp7vy78
@@basictrainingbibleministri726 my fellow man. I’m sorry if your are offended. What I intend to do is show you that you indeed have to obey God. You also have to have the Faith of Jesus the Christ. From the beginning it was commanded to be obedient to God. Being obedient to God and having the faith of Jesus the Christ assured your salvation. As it is written. Genesis 26:4-5 KJV And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; [5] Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
@@vtam2066 Jesus’ Church will not participate in world wide persecution and killing of Jews. We must be Raptured before. Rev 5 the Church is bodily in heaven. More proof? Read what Jesus said to Nicademous
Please don't take this personally, but this is very out of context. You should have read the previous verse before it. Here is the fuller context Revelation 5:8-10 (NKJV) "Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll, And to open its seals; For You were slain, And have redeemed us to God by Your blood Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, 10 And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth.” Verse 8 clearly says that this is the 4 creatures, and the 24 elders saying this. Nowhere does verse 8 mention the entire Church saying this, it implies only 28 beings were saying this, not the entire Church. This does not support the rapture at all
The details of the scene in heaven that John describes implies the church is already in heaven, I.e, Rev. 4:1 representing the rapture. See this list for that interpretation and more: th-cam.com/play/PLZ_xQpA2nSPkkChcMIKYM7-mZf5HD1l2E.html&si=8Hd_R3WNlN2p1wtc Like other symbols in his vision (e.g. items he is looking at) I take John’s 24 elders as a symbol of church age believers. Here is a more thorough treatment of Revelation 4 & 5. th-cam.com/video/tvdBsq57OCw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=cXbMuifnjtLOild0 th-cam.com/video/tvdBsq57OCw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=cXbMuifnjtLOild0
I thought that Revelation 4:1, when the angel said "Come up here" was specifically for John. I have always interpreted the 24 elders as being symbolic of the 12 sons of Israel, and 12 Apostles. Though it really is hard to tell. I think the multitude in Revelation 7 (And Revelation 15), who survived the great tribulation is the Church. Thank you for replying, and putting your time to do it
The natural division between letters to the churches in Chapters 2-3 and John being called up in Chapter 4 cause me to consider the phrase “after these things” as the key. See th-cam.com/video/_afzEs3QN8E/w-d-xo.htmlsi=qCbG90kz5tC3tt4_ Also, since we the church are priests (1Pe 2:9 - not to replace the Levites, but priests in the order of Melchizedek like our Savior) I take the number 24 to harken back symbolically to the number levitical priesthood divisions in 1 Chronicles 24.
I do think the identities of the 24 elders is not certain. Though I personally believe it to represent the 12 sons of Israel, and the 12 Apostles. Revelation is certainly an interesting book. I think the "after these things" was probably a change in subject thing. I think Jesus will return for the Church after the great tribulation. I based this of off my reading of Daniel 12, Revelation 20, and 1 Thessalonians 4 where they all mention the resurrection
The rapture is post Trib. False teachers constantly and incessantly gets this wrong and lead the church astray. Don’t listen to them about the rapture they are WRONG. STUDY. Show yourself approved. Don’t be ashamed. Instead of planning your escape start filling your lamps with oil. 1. The resurrection is BEFORE the rapture. 1 Thess 4. 2. The resurrection is ON THE LAST DAY. John 6. 3. The last day is in Revelation 20:4. THE DEAD CAME TO LIFE. This is the resurrection and rapture. The next day starts the millennial kingdom.
There's nothing in these verses that correlates to the rapture. This video is reaching. It says they are redeemed by his blood these are the Christians that have already died and are now present in heaven with God. No correlation to the rapture, it could just as easily be those who were martyred for Chist
"Church" is more that just new testament believers. It is the assembly or congregation or body of God/Christ. That assembly is inclusive of many of the the old testament patriarch as well. Secondly, that absence of the word "church" in the scriptures you cite does not mean that the "rapture" occurred regarding that great multitude John saw. It's like saying the absence of the name of God in Esther is a good reason not to include it in the canonical works. You're making an inference base on the absence of a word and what are limited Bible citations surrounding the so called "rapture" (and there's no such word in any Bible). The resurrection is more accurate and is time and season specific according to scripture in both testaments.
😊this is amazing! So looking forward to hearing “Come up here!”
Mighty is my God in Jesus'Mighty Name AMEN
The raptured are in heaven before the seals are opened. Zech 1:7-8 gives the day the Red horse rides. Haggai 2 mentions a certain day 3 times which is 60 days before the day in Zech 1:7-8. Proverbs 25:2 is the starting point for searching out the Scriptures.
All Glory to God🙏❤🙏❤
Amen. 🙏❤️
No one knows the time amen ❤️🔥
Right. Consider this:
No One Knows the Day or the Hour?
th-cam.com/users/shortsFCgpeG25vno?feature=share
thats right pretty clear
Agreed!
There is no way there is a pretrib rapture. 2thes2, and honoring the dead in Christ by raising them BEFORE those still living are caught up, leaves no room for pretrib. Those who die in Christ during the tribulation MUST be raised first.
Tribulation believers are not “in Christ” as we are. The tribulation is the time of “Jacob’s trouble.”
See this short:
th-cam.com/users/shortswZCEDFa4aPc?si=8-C1HkVlpHiQ4jRt
Then the fuller version:
th-cam.com/video/8SPxhuaWx-k/w-d-xo.htmlsi=J0ipM6BudgnUzJiY
These dear people are bound by a stronghold. I believe they WANT to see God’s wrath poured out and be martyrs. The Holy Spirit is “the restrainer” holding the emergence of the Antichrist. He is in us. When He is removed, so are we.
@@TOTA_777 2thes2 says that by no means will that day come until the antichrist is revealed. Nowhere in the bible does it say anything about a pretrib rapture. Tribulation is promised to those who choose to follow Christ. Wrath comes at the end and it is complete end of this world as it is. That is what we'll be spared from. Why would Christ Jesus tell us what would happen to us if we wont be there for it? You will be faced with the mark choice. Be ready.
@@ellemarvin637 I am not going to quarrel with you. I would simply ask you to take a look at 2 Thessalonians 2:6-8 again after ask in the Holy Spirit to show you what He wants you to see. The “one holding him back” or “the restrainer” is the Holy Spirit. Can we at least agree on that? It further says the man of sin/perdition aka the Antichrist will be revealed AFTER the restrainer is removed. The Holy Spirit is now in US by whom we are sealed. How can the Holy Spirit be removed from the earth unless we are? That’s what I believe I was led to comment. Take this to the Father. The Lord and The Word are your corrector, not me. I won’t be responding further.
Right. Rapture before Matthew 24:9 also
I do know the day and hour it's the 75th day after the seven year period is over.
Jesus comes back twice because the church is just a parenthesis in time prophesied for the Jews. Jacob’s trouble is not ours. See:
th-cam.com/video/8SPxhuaWx-k/w-d-xo.htmlsi=fIF3Cfw4wMPDXszG
Israelites. Find out who they are and you have found your answer. Exodus 19:6 KJV
And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
Sure. We were graphed in. This church age now has “neither Jew nor Gentile.” See this material: th-cam.com/play/PLZ_xQpA2nSPmnCc_m2N1UgnnecahrdiCp.html&si=JJyTm1x7vTB51QPo
When he is saying jew and gentile. He is referring to the southern kingdom of Judah and the gentiles are the northern tribes of Israel. More often than not when the word gentile is used it is actually referring to the northern tribes. Things are now being revealed that have been hidden. Jesus told youhe came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
@Briand-ei1gs consider this:
th-cam.com/video/8SPxhuaWx-k/w-d-xo.htmlsi=UxKCR7vccMjjQONX
@@Briand-ei1gs gentiles can’t be Israelites. Neither can Israelites be gentiles. They are blood lines forbids it. You are either from Ham which is the Father to the dark races which we know to be Africans. Not the negros though. Gentiles , who are the sons and daughters of Japheth. The European, Asian, and Spanish peoples, Iranians Germans, Russians, basically white people are Gentiles. Then whatever is left are the Children of Shem. Totally different blood lines. There is no way that the northern Kingdom of Israel was gentiles. All of Israel is black people. Nothing else.
@michaelking1524 Yes God did divorce the house of Israel . Go's is holy and righteous and even follows and fulfills His own law. For the very reason of remarrying Israel God and came and died to fulfill law of a woman marrying. Have you no read about the prophet who God had marry a prostitute? You need to read that. As a matter if fact you need to read your whole Bible again with an attitude of humility that you might have been mistaught. Remember where God says " a people who are not my people"? Then He turns around and say" a people who are my people and will be called sons of Living God"?. Yeah those are the same people.
Wow! No understanding of the word of God. Yaw must be keeping Gods commands.
Revelation 14:12 KJV
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Not sure where you’re head with this comment, but command keeping and faithfulness enhances (but not assures) our eternity. See this playlist: th-cam.com/play/PLZ_xQpA2nSPm0OA-Zz3B3Rk6Kc6-4ON3k.html&si=5HssoYHT2pp7vy78
Rapture before Matthew 24:9 & Rev ch 5
@@basictrainingbibleministri726 my fellow man. I’m sorry if your are offended. What I intend to do is show you that you indeed have to obey God. You also have to have the Faith of Jesus the Christ.
From the beginning it was commanded to be obedient to God. Being obedient to God and having the faith of Jesus the Christ assured your salvation. As it is written.
Genesis 26:4-5 KJV
And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; [5] Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
@@joshuaa3075 I’m not exactly sure what exactly it is that makes you believe these scriptures are a rapture. Can you please explain?
@@vtam2066 Jesus’ Church will not participate in world wide persecution and killing of Jews. We must be Raptured before. Rev 5 the Church is bodily in heaven. More proof? Read what Jesus said to Nicademous
Please don't take this personally, but this is very out of context. You should have read the previous verse before it. Here is the fuller context Revelation 5:8-10 (NKJV) "Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll, And to open its seals; For You were slain, And have redeemed us to God by Your blood Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, 10 And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth.” Verse 8 clearly says that this is the 4 creatures, and the 24 elders saying this. Nowhere does verse 8 mention the entire Church saying this, it implies only 28 beings were saying this, not the entire Church. This does not support the rapture at all
The details of the scene in heaven that John describes implies the church is already in heaven, I.e, Rev. 4:1 representing the rapture.
See this list for that interpretation and more:
th-cam.com/play/PLZ_xQpA2nSPkkChcMIKYM7-mZf5HD1l2E.html&si=8Hd_R3WNlN2p1wtc
Like other symbols in his vision (e.g. items he is looking at) I take John’s 24 elders as a symbol of church age believers.
Here is a more thorough treatment of Revelation 4 & 5.
th-cam.com/video/tvdBsq57OCw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=cXbMuifnjtLOild0
th-cam.com/video/tvdBsq57OCw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=cXbMuifnjtLOild0
I thought that Revelation 4:1, when the angel said "Come up here" was specifically for John. I have always interpreted the 24 elders as being symbolic of the 12 sons of Israel, and 12 Apostles. Though it really is hard to tell. I think the multitude in Revelation 7 (And Revelation 15), who survived the great tribulation is the Church. Thank you for replying, and putting your time to do it
The natural division between letters to the churches in Chapters 2-3 and John being called up in Chapter 4 cause me to consider the phrase “after these things” as the key.
See th-cam.com/video/_afzEs3QN8E/w-d-xo.htmlsi=qCbG90kz5tC3tt4_
Also, since we the church are priests (1Pe 2:9 - not to replace the Levites, but priests in the order of Melchizedek like our Savior) I take the number 24 to harken back symbolically to the number levitical priesthood divisions in 1 Chronicles 24.
I do think the identities of the 24 elders is not certain. Though I personally believe it to represent the 12 sons of Israel, and the 12 Apostles. Revelation is certainly an interesting book. I think the "after these things" was probably a change in subject thing. I think Jesus will return for the Church after the great tribulation. I based this of off my reading of Daniel 12, Revelation 20, and 1 Thessalonians 4 where they all mention the resurrection
The rapture is post Trib. False teachers constantly and incessantly gets this wrong and lead the church astray. Don’t listen to them about the rapture they are WRONG.
STUDY. Show yourself approved. Don’t be ashamed.
Instead of planning your escape start filling your lamps with oil.
1. The resurrection is BEFORE the rapture.
1 Thess 4.
2. The resurrection is ON THE LAST DAY.
John 6.
3. The last day is in Revelation 20:4. THE DEAD CAME TO LIFE.
This is the resurrection and rapture. The next day starts the millennial kingdom.
See these 5 passages and dispensational approach:
basictraining.org/scriptural-proof-of-the-pre-tribulation-rapture/
There's nothing in these verses that correlates to the rapture. This video is reaching. It says they are redeemed by his blood these are the Christians that have already died and are now present in heaven with God. No correlation to the rapture, it could just as easily be those who were martyred for Chist
It goes with this playlist:
Proof of a Pre-Trib Rapture
th-cam.com/play/PLZ_xQpA2nSPkkChcMIKYM7-mZf5HD1l2E.html
Misuse of the term church .
How so?
@@basictrainingbibleministri726define church
"Church" is more that just new testament believers. It is the assembly or congregation or body of God/Christ. That assembly is inclusive of many of the the old testament patriarch as well. Secondly, that absence of the word "church" in the scriptures you cite does not mean that the "rapture" occurred regarding that great multitude John saw. It's like saying the absence of the name of God in Esther is a good reason not to include it in the canonical works.
You're making an inference base on the absence of a word and what are limited Bible citations surrounding the so called "rapture" (and there's no such word in any Bible). The resurrection is more accurate and is time and season specific according to scripture in both testaments.